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Raj Perry, welcome to my podcast. Dom,
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>> so good. I [laughter] don't know whether
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you save the best to last or you got the
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the worst to last. Your MS you've had
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Bryce and here I am. So, thank you.
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>> What do they say? They they uh they give
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you any tips. They warn you. They What?
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>> Yeah. I didn't I to be honest, I haven't
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seen Miles's one. I've seen Bryce's one
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and uh he said it was really hot in this
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room. Whether it was you were grilling
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him or something, you felt the heat. But
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um no, Bryce's was very good. Actually,
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I thought his was a great podcast. Uh he
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did very well. You did very well. So,
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no, he just said um be yourself, relax,
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and you don't have to ask answer all of
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Dom's questions. [laughter]
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>> Well, you don't.
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>> No, he was. No, no, he I saw Robert
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Scott one as well. That was very good,
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too. Yeah.
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>> No, there's no um no no stitchups, no
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clickbait, no gotchas. So yeah, if
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there's anything you want out
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afterwards, we take it out. Um it's just
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um a conversation and I'm really excited
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about this because you and I um
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>> basically worked in like rooms like side
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by side for the best part of 20 years
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and we never had a conversation like
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this.
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>> No, it's so weird that we have known
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each other. We were literally we're
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literally the same age cuz I heard you
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talking to Robert Scott. I mean I sort
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of knew anyway. You started in Palmy,
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Palmyon North, uh to excess literally
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the same time I did start doing
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breakfast pretty much um at the rock. Um
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I'm not saying our careers mirror each
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other, but there's a lot of
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similarities. We did breakfast the same
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time, the same age. We've worked
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together for so long. We did work
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together for so long and we were never
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we never really apart from, you know,
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survey parties and the odd, you know,
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stuff like that. Weirdly, we never
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really had a lot to do each other with
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each other.
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>> Well, I think you're just you're just
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busy. Like you're you're on you're on
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your station. I'm on mine. You might see
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each other um at a urinal break or in
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the kitchen waiting for some toast.
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>> I know. So bizarre,
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>> but this is going to be fun. This is
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going to be fun because you've um Yeah.
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Okay. So, we're recording this at 11:30
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on a Tuesday morning.
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>> Um so,
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>> October 6. So, what's your what's your
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morning look like? You you got up at
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4:30 a.m.
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>> Yeah, got up at 4:30. Uh so we've just
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finished So we've just finished the Rock
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2000 countdown which lasts for a month
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and it's all go the actual countdown
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lasts a month and the buildup to that is
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probably another four weeks maybe
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longer. So busiest time of the year for
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us and culminates in this massive last
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day um on the Friday couple of Fridays
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ago like 6,400 people inside Spark Arena
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the last 20 odd songs counted down of
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the countdown. So people are there
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listening to the radio essentially. Uh
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it's a crazy time. It's a so it's a very
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good time. But after that finishes,
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you're on such a bit of a high
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and you come back to work and you still
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you still got you think, "Oh Christ, I
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still got a few more months to go yet."
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You know, you sort of you sort of peak,
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but you can't peak because you still you
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can't it's not like it's a month away.
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So um so we're all I don't Yeah, we're
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all a little bit tired, I think, after
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after that. It's such a big event. Um
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>> it is it is it is iconic. So I have
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these moments where I think um your
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radio is like a sunset industry that's
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on the way out and then you see on
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social media something like um that rock
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show and you think no there's there's
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still a massive audience here. They're
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still engaged.
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>> See a lot of stations do countdowns. I
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mean they're nothing new. Everyone's
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done countdowns forever. But this one
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has just started off 25 years ago. So I
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mean it's it's got a it's got longevity
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but it just gets bigger and bigger and
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bigger. And now now we're kind of
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wondering how do we make it bigger?
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because we probably can't get too many
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more in Spark Arena. If we had to,
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they'd have to um sell seats, you know,
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you can't expect people to sit down for
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like 8 hours or whatever, however long
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they're there um with the countdown in
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bands and stuff. So, yeah. No, it's it
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just gets um it's good for us. But yeah,
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no, I I think for um if you if you do
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things well and properly and there's a
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good reason behind uh to do things like
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that, I think it's um they'll they'll
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turn up in their droves and it always
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seems to be a ratings winner for us as
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well. So, you know, it's very
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successful.
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>> Are you are you So, are you tired right
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now? So, you you've done your morning
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show. You've had a debrief meeting.
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>> Yeah, we did have a meeting today with
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the boss, Brad. Um, but what we did have
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a meeting about, which I feel a little
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bit uh not funny about, but a bit weird
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because I I am having the next couple
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months off. So, Leon, who you know, the
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big boss at Media Works, one of them
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anyway. Um, he used to be your boss. We
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had discussions earlier on this year and
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Brad, our other boss, the rock boss, and
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uh I was sort of wondering what to do
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with uh the rest of my career, whether
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I'd finish end of this year or come back
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next year or whatever I was going to do.
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So, they offered me a sbatical. So, I've
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got um November, December off. Uh and
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and also most of Jan. Uh so, yeah. So, I
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mean that's just to recharge recharge
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the batteries really. I feel a little
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bit burnt out. And I'm not just saying
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that I'm feeling burnt out now, but I
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sort of been feeling burnt out off and
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on the last couple of years. Sort of
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once I got to 50, I sort of felt a
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little bit bit different in my head and
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and went, you know, I've been doing this
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for 31 years this year, breakfast, and
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could be time for a I'm not saying I'm
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going to change, but it could be time
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for a change. So, uh, they were great.
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They offered me this, uh, two-month
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break. Well, three months really, and
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uh, so November three, I think I'll be
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off. So uh that's that. So that's yeah
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that's great. I mean it's a bit of light
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at the end of the tunnel and I'm very
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appreciative of it. I know so many
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people work harder than me work longer
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hours have been working [laughter]
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real jobs
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>> have real jobs that don't ever think of
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getting sabaticals and having November
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December and most of Janov. So I'm very
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appreciative of the fact uh that it's
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come my way. Um but I just had to do 31
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years of breakfast radio to get it.
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[laughter]
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>> Yeah. I know like um
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>> I think people think it's a 4-hour a day
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job, but a lot of a lot of work goes
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into it. And um yeah, when I had Bryce
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on the podcast, he said um you heard his
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one, eh? Yes, I
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>> have. He said your your greatest
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strength is probably your greatest
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weakness, and that is that you you you
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work you work too hard or you care too
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much.
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>> Yeah, he said I care too. He's probably
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right.
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>> So, you put a lot into it.
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>> Yeah, it's just I've been there since
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nearly day one and it's kind of feels
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like it's not like I joined.
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>> It's not just a job. It's It can't just
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be a job. It's got to be you're either
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100% in or you're 100% out really. And I
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was al I've been there for so long. I
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was there. It started end of 1991 and I
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joined halfway through 1992.
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>> Um not doing breakfast but I've been
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there so long I've it's sort of
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>> it was it's it's my life. It's my life.
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It's got me it got me everything
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everything I ever wanted. So I feel
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>> I feel like um so dedicated to it. And
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but then I feel now that
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>> I've I've sort [snorts] of maybe gone
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through that and it's like now it might
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be time just to not kick back but yeah
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re-evaluate my future. So but I am I am
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back next year on on the Breakfast Show.
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Yeah.
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>> Wow. I'm I'm calling [ __ ] on all of
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this. So you how old are you now?
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>> 52.
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>> 52. Okay. So seven there's a guy I've
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had on the podcast called Fraser Grew.
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He's a content creator. He's doing a
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project called 10,000 Dreams.
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>> I've I've done one of I've done one.
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[laughter]
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>> I know. So this is 7 years ago. So you
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were 45. Oh, was I then? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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>> 45. And your dream was um to be retired
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at Mafify by the age of 50. [laughter]
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>> Well, I'm not. Well, I did. So, I think
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Yes, they've played that back to me.
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Actually, they played that back to me on
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air. And so, I'm half there because I do
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have a house in Mangafi. [laughter]
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>> I think I said I wanted to retire on my
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deck or something and drink wine or
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whatever. So, I do do that, but I'm not
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retired. No, I'm halfway there. I am
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halfway there. Yeah.
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>> There's another thing. Um, and we'll
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give you some grace on this one. This
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was a Women's Day article for 3 years
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ago. Um, I don't know when the time will
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be. Uh, but I certainly won't be doing
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this show in 10 years time.
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>> No, that's Well, there. That's true. No,
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I won't be. No.
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>> Do you think you won't be?
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>> No. When was that? 10.
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>> So, this is three three years ago. So,
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you got seven years to go.
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>> No. No. Definitely not. No.
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>> How can you say that?
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>> I just know. When you know, you know.
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I'm h I'm not just saying I'm going to
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I'm not retiring, but No. I I do. When
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you know, you know. And I I
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>> Or do you think you'll you'll be done or
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management will decide that you're done
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by then? both. [laughter]
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>> No. Well, I haven't yet. No, look, I'm
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not going to make any statements, but um
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No, I I definitely I can honestly say
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like what's in seven years time, no, I
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won't be doing the Breakfast Show. I'll
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nearly be 60 by then. So,
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>> why wouldn't But but if your heart was
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still in it.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> I'd say they'd still want you to do it.
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>> I think me I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I
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think it just gets a bit harder when you
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get older uh to just to keep on getting
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up um for it. Uh it's also it's just
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it's the it's the physical side of it
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getting out of bed, you know. I mean I'm
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not everyone gets out of bed early, so
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don't think I'm complaining, but uh I've
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been doing it for 31 years. Um but I
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just know within myself that I don't
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have like another seven years in me to
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do I'd love I'd happily work in radio.
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Absolutely. But I don't think I'll be
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getting out of bed early
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>> uh 4:30 in the morning for in for seven
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more years. No def definitely not. No. I
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also don't think I'd I'd be mentally as
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as on to it. You know, I just think
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you'd after a while you might just
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you're just not as sharp. You're not as
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sharp anymore. You have to be sharp.
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Bang bang bang doing breakfast.
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>> I don't know. I don't I don't know. I I
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reckon you could you could sign your own
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departure date, but who who knows?
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>> Um
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>> Yeah. Okay. So, who is Roger Fairley
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away from the microphone? I I feel like
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yourself and the rock. You've been there
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such a long time. It's one and the same.
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And it's a it's a big part of your It's
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over half your life. It's a big part of
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your identity. Yeah. Who is who is the
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real Roger Farrell?
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>> Yeah. Because my wife has said like you
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are just Roj from the Rock whether you
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like it or not and whether wherever you
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go if you're [snorts] never anyone else
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but Rod from the Rock. But I am like Raj
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the Family Man with two lovely
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daughters. So there's um away from it
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all I I I do like my own company. I'm
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not I love being part of the rock. I
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love being I love doing promotions. I
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love getting out there. Always have.
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That'll never that'll never change. But
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there's also a part of when you just
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want to kick, you know, really just put
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the walls up, so to speak, and and just
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not have to worry about any of that and
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not have to worry about talking on the
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phone or talking to people. I'm Yeah,
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I'm
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>> I'm quite I'm quite happily in my own in
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my own company. I don't feel the need I
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have to always
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>> hang out with mates and and all that
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sort of I'm a bit different like like
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that. Like a lot of people like to, you
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know, happy to hang out with mates and
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do stuff like that. I'm quite happy just
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sort of kicking back by myself. Um, all
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the family. Um, it's weird cuz you don't
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see them a lot. I don't see my wife a
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lot because I never see her in the
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mornings and then I'm in bed so early
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like 8:30 night. I never see her at
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night.
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>> So that's the key to a [laughter] good
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>> That's might be why we've lasted so
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long.
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>> What would What would So your wife Lisa,
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what would she say about you? Like are
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you kind of introverted? Are you a deep
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thinker?
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>> Am I introverted? No, I don't think she
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think I'm introverted. Um, but you'd
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think I'm certainly not the happy guy
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that laughs a lot on on radio. I don't
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think I'm I'm not like that at home, for
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example. You know, like a lot of your
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friends have have said, "Oh, I hear him
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on the radio then I I'm not miserable
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when they meet me, but I'm not that sort
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of
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>> exaggerated." Exaggerated version of
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myself at at home. No.
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>> No, I'm more I'm more sort of um bit
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more quieter at home, actually. Yeah.
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and and you've got real stuff to deal
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with in at home, you know, and life
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works easy compared to stuff you got to
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deal with in life with kids and and
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that's kids from,
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>> you know,
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>> babies, toddlers all the way through to
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now they're 24 and 20. There's still
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issues you got to deal with. So, yeah,
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the the rock side of things sort of
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takes a backseat at home. Um, probably a
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little bit more quieter version of
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myself.
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>> Boring.
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>> You're um How often do you get
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recognized by the voice? More than I
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think, more than I thought should ever
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happen. Really? [laughter] Yeah. More
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more than I I mean. Yeah. It's I always
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even before me in social media, it was I
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don't know how anyone does, but they
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Yeah. More than I thought they would, to
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be honest. Yeah. And then now with um
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everything's on social media now. And
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then
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>> Yeah. I mean, it's not like it's
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ridiculous, but it can, you know, it's
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either it either happens a lot some days
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or it never happens at all. happened not
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happened for months and months and
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months but then
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>> but yeah but yeah you like Dancing with
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the Stars that was uh ridiculous for a
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while but yeah it's only New Zealand.
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Yeah. [laughter]
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>> So it's not really a big it's not really
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a big deal. [snorts] No.
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>> So when when when did your voice get
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deep like when
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>> I was light man I was really light. Like
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I was um 60 kilos or something when I
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was like 16. I was there's nothing to
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me. No not there's much to me now but um
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and I was a late developer. I was always
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the shortest in my class. Every photo
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bar, seventh form, like year 13, I'm
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always the shortest in my class. Always.
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And I was always this thin little kid.
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And so nothing like all my It was so
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humiliating. All my mates were growing
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taller, getting facial hair. And I had
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nothing, no pubes, I had [laughter] no
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voice. I was like this. And then it
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wasn't until I was about so all 15
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nothing happened. Then I think I that
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summer I think so I was nearly 16 all of
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a sudden out of nowhere I was just this
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I just was this croaky frog in my throat
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constantly that I could I was like what
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is going on and that was and that was my
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voice dropping but I've heard tapes of
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when I was on air at 18 and it was it
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sounds it sounds high then um but it was
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everyone used to think it was quite deep
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then but it wasn't but it was yeah it
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was deep enough but that's when it
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happened. I was very very late developer
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when it finally happened. Finally kicked
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in. Yeah.
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>> Cuz it was weird because I'd always
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wanted to be in radio.
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>> Yeah. From what age?
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>> Well, I used to I reckon about eight
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eight or nine. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Why?
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>> Because I used to listen to there was
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only one radio station I grew up in um
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Ky um half an hour 40 minutes from
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Taranga. And there was only one station
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um as there was in each town. So radio
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bop. Uh Brian Kelly used to I think he
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used to BK.
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>> Um he inspired me to I used to listen to
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him as a kid
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do the birthday calls. He'd have this um
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which I used to think at the time he'd
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have this uh duck come in called Quack
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of the Duck [laughter]
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and um knock stuff over in the studio
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and cause mayhem. And it was just a guy
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with a duck caller obviously but
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>> theater of the mind.
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>> Theater of the mind. And I still
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remember it to this day. And I was like
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man that sounds like a fun job. And he
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he was very good. I he was very good at
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his job. And then um I was like, "Yeah,
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I just want to be like Brian Kelly."
00:14:36
>> Yeah.
00:14:36
>> That time everyone had like um a
00:14:38
character. So I was in Palmer North.
00:14:40
There was a guy there called Bernsy and
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he had um he had um I think it was Mory
00:14:44
Mouse or Monty Mouse [laughter] and it
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was just like a squeaky cork and a wine
00:14:47
bottle and there was um there was a guy
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called Lindsay Yo who was a star in
00:14:50
Wellington. He had Buzzo Bumble.
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>> Mate, he had the bee. Everyone remembers
00:14:53
this sort [laughter] of stuff. So I
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think all these guys all around the
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country. Oh, he's got a mouse. He's got
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a bee. I've got to get I've got to get
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something. And so it was a duck and I
00:15:02
had this poster on my wall of Quack of
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the Duck of this guy in a duck suit. And
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he was a guest that would you know he'd
00:15:08
come in every you know once an hour and
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quack [laughter]
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and it was like I want to be I want to
00:15:16
be like that. And then of course when
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you get in radio you'd feel it's just
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some some promo guy with a duck caller
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probably the illusions. That's what I
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love. That's what I loved about it. I
00:15:25
always loved that side of it. Even when
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I was got mid dawn a mid dawn job uh at
00:15:31
a station called coastline FM which is
00:15:33
now more FM in Tanga and even then it
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was um I love that that side of of the
00:15:38
theater even I was doing mid dawns then
00:15:40
but I used to love uh the breakfast show
00:15:42
and what went on there and just you know
00:15:44
character voices which was radio was all
00:15:46
about character voices in the in the
00:15:48
early 90s that's what we carried on
00:15:50
doing when we started doing breakfast.
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Yeah. So yeah that's that's the side of
00:15:53
I loved about it. So yeah, I had a I had
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no voice at 8 or 9 and yet here I was
00:15:58
thinking I was going to be a radio
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announcer. But luckily it certainly
00:16:01
helped that I my voice dropped.
00:16:04
>> That it opened a few doors. It opened.
00:16:05
Yeah.
00:16:06
>> Did you have a plan B?
00:16:07
>> No, not really. I did apply when I was
00:16:11
still at school to the Polytech and they
00:16:13
said I was too young. It was like a
00:16:14
radio journalism/course
00:16:16
and I applied to do that and they they
00:16:19
said I was too young and by then I think
00:16:22
I'd got a part-time job at uh Coastline
00:16:25
doing mid dawn in the weekends. So I was
00:16:26
like h I'm I've got I'm kind of near
00:16:30
nearly set here. I've got weekends and
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there was a job. So I was Yeah. So
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that's when I started when I was 17. I I
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was still at school I think.
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>> Wow.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Can you remember your first your first
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shift or your first breaks?
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>> Yeah. So first shift I was yes I just I
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think it was school was just wrapping up
00:16:47
just on my exams um bit of a story Grant
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hisop started coastline FM who I didn't
00:16:54
know but I friends of long story short
00:16:57
friends of friends knew him and said
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send him a tape of you talking so I got
00:17:02
to the bay plenty of times and I read
00:17:04
out an ad you know like you know Tony's
00:17:07
tractors you know call them 07839
00:17:09
[laughter] you know and they all you
00:17:11
know and then And I did the weather, but
00:17:13
I have plenty weather today. It's going
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to be fine with a high of 18° and cloudy
00:17:16
tomorrow, Tuesday. And I sent this tape
00:17:18
into him. And I get a call and he he
00:17:20
wants to meet me, but I'm still at
00:17:22
school. And I'm petrified of going into
00:17:25
the radio station by myself and meeting
00:17:28
this guy cuz just the thought of it just
00:17:30
freaked me out. I thought, man, a radio
00:17:32
station. I'm actually going to go into a
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radio station. So I took my mom with me.
00:17:35
I was that scared. So I was at reception
00:17:37
with my mom and he Grant comes out.
00:17:40
Someone had said, "Rog's here to see
00:17:41
you. this guy that sent the tape in.
00:17:43
Grant comes out, looks around, sees this
00:17:45
kid at reception with his mother and and
00:17:47
thinks I'm just there to pick up a
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price, walks back in and says, "Where's
00:17:51
Roj? Why isn't he here? I thought he was
00:17:53
here." And it was it was me. So he'd
00:17:54
heard this tape and couldn't match the
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voice.
00:17:57
>> Oh, right.
00:17:57
>> So he's like, he saw this little kid.
00:17:58
And I was a little kid. I was 17. But so
00:18:00
he sits me down and goes, "Oh my god,
00:18:02
it's you. Uh your your voice is good."
00:18:04
So um there's a job basically earning
00:18:07
nothing doing uh Weekend Midons. So
00:18:09
that's how that's how I started. Yeah.
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So your first show uh abs I was
00:18:15
terrified. It was like midnight, you
00:18:17
know, like all of Friday night, you're
00:18:19
stewing, your stomach, I used to get
00:18:22
terrible like, you know, my stomach
00:18:24
would let me down and I'd be like, "Oh."
00:18:27
And then mid yeah, midnight on air doing
00:18:30
the weather was the top, you know, first
00:18:32
thing you did did the weather. But of
00:18:33
course, you know, you you're nervous.
00:18:36
You don't know how to use the equipment
00:18:37
properly. It doesn't work. So, it's that
00:18:39
whole, you know, that whole you're
00:18:40
playing two things over at one, you
00:18:42
know. So you're playing the weather bed,
00:18:43
which I kicked off. Weather bed plays,
00:18:46
didn't fade that down properly. Kicked
00:18:47
the song off. So you had the weather
00:18:49
song playing over the same, you know,
00:18:51
same. And I went, "Oh shit." Like this.
00:18:53
[laughter] And then I thought, "Oh, I've
00:18:54
just sworn my first ever break." Oh, you
00:18:57
probably couldn't hear it. And I was And
00:18:59
then it was just like mic goes off and
00:19:01
I'm just like I'm like,
00:19:03
>> "I'm done. I'm finished.
00:19:04
>> I'm done." Everything I've ever wanted
00:19:06
to do my whole life. And I've just
00:19:08
absolutely cocked up my first ever voice
00:19:10
break. And the confidence just took a
00:19:12
massive dive and so you're like and your
00:19:15
whole time you're just stressing for 6
00:19:17
hours. This is in terms no one listening
00:19:19
at like three no [laughter] one is
00:19:21
listening you know.
00:19:22
>> Yeah. Early early 90s there's maybe a
00:19:23
thousand a couple of thousand people
00:19:25
listening.
00:19:25
>> Yeah. This is one city and there were
00:19:27
two stations then. So yeah there's no
00:19:29
one listening.
00:19:30
>> I spent that whole six hours just
00:19:32
stressing that I'd stuffed up and
00:19:34
someone had heard me swear and and it
00:19:37
was the Yeah. And then I'd left and then
00:19:39
this guy came in at 6, the guy that took
00:19:42
over from me. He was and he and I'd left
00:19:44
the studio in a mess and he just
00:19:46
absolutely bollocked me for leaving the
00:19:48
studio. All the records cuz there
00:19:49
records back then. So I'd left all the
00:19:51
records cuz I was just cuz he never
00:19:53
stayed up either. Like doing Midnight
00:19:56
till 600 is so uncommon and I was
00:19:59
exhausted and he told me off leaving the
00:20:02
records in a mess and and I was like,
00:20:04
"Oh man, is this am I do I really want
00:20:06
to do this? Is this really what I want
00:20:08
to do? Cuz that was an absolute
00:20:10
nightmare. Uh that was So that was my
00:20:12
first show. Wasn't that good? Wasn't
00:20:13
that
00:20:13
>> enjoyable? [laughter]
00:20:14
>> What's the What's the oldest recording
00:20:15
you've got of yourself?
00:20:17
>> I think there there's been some uh there
00:20:20
were some of of Coastline days. I I
00:20:23
don't know where they are now, but I
00:20:25
know there's some early ones of of Nick
00:20:27
and I on the Rock doing breakfast. So
00:20:29
that's 1994 95. There's some of those
00:20:32
still around. I'm just trying to get
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them buried and destroyed. But but the
00:20:36
people that hold on to them, they're not
00:20:38
going to tell me and they'll just going
00:20:39
to come out when I you know like when I
00:20:41
had 30 my 30th year anniversary they
00:20:43
they found them.
00:20:45
>> They finally f mysteriously found them
00:20:47
and there they were like and they just
00:20:49
sound awful. Yeah.
00:20:50
>> Yeah. So so yeah. So two stations you've
00:20:53
worked at e straight out of school
00:20:55
>> then you moved to the rock in 1992.
00:20:57
>> Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So Grant uh his and
00:21:01
um a few others started coastline. He
00:21:03
left took quite a few with him to the
00:21:05
rock and then started the rock up end of
00:21:07
91. Yeah. And then he I was every I was
00:21:10
keen as I was doing mid dawns then
00:21:12
full-time Midorms. So I did those for
00:21:13
about a year and a half and I was keen
00:21:15
so keen to get to Hamilton and and
00:21:17
excuse me start at the rock and so uh
00:21:20
yeah long story short he hired me to do
00:21:23
drive. He was doing drive. He was doing
00:21:25
afternoons. He's also running the
00:21:26
station. So he put me on nights for like
00:21:29
a week just to make sure I was all
00:21:30
right. And then I and I did drive for
00:21:32
like half all the rest of 92 93 and then
00:21:36
we had breakfast in 94. Yeah.
00:21:38
>> 94. So So that was um Nick and Rod.
00:21:40
>> Yes. Yes. Yes.
00:21:42
>> Nick and Rod. So you So you're how old
00:21:44
at the time? 20 like 23 22.
00:21:47
>> I started doing breakfast when I was
00:21:48
like I was nearly 21.
00:21:50
>> Yeah. Yeah. Just just so Yeah. I Yeah. I
00:21:52
>> It's crazy now.
00:21:53
>> I know. I think I still think about it.
00:21:54
Think about that. I was 20. I because we
00:21:57
I started doing it for like a month and
00:22:00
Nick was at another radio station and
00:22:01
they needed to try and find a fill in
00:22:03
for him. So we officially started
00:22:04
together I think it was April 94 but I'd
00:22:08
done it for like a month or two just by
00:22:10
myself just sort of line. It was not
00:22:11
even really a breakfast show just
00:22:13
waiting for him to to kick in. I know I
00:22:15
was I was 20. I was I turned 21 doing
00:22:17
breakfast. It's it's so it's so it's so
00:22:20
young.
00:22:21
>> I I was Yeah. I just Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.
00:22:23
>> Yeah. No, you've you've you've you've
00:22:25
grown as a person and the station's
00:22:27
grown with you and like now now The Rock
00:22:29
is such a big brand they'd never dream
00:22:30
of putting a a kid on the breakfast
00:22:33
show.
00:22:33
>> Um also Brad your boss who's who's still
00:22:36
there like he was given that job as a
00:22:37
basically a kid as well.
00:22:39
>> He he started about a year or two later
00:22:41
as as the PD of of the rocket. He would
00:22:43
have only been sort of 24 then.
00:22:46
>> Um yeah, that was the thing back then.
00:22:48
Everyone was was so young. It was a
00:22:51
young staff. you would have been the
00:22:52
same. Um,
00:22:54
>> yeah, cuz you were a kid, too. Yeah,
00:22:56
it's just they wouldn't do it now.
00:22:58
>> No, you you were allowed to make
00:22:59
mistakes and learn as you went. And
00:23:02
>> it was it was Yeah, it was it was just a
00:23:05
different time. There were just because
00:23:07
the government had deregulated the
00:23:08
market. So, there were all these
00:23:10
stations popping up. So, hence you need
00:23:12
more announcers
00:23:13
>> and hence it was just loose. It was just
00:23:16
looser. Way looser. And you're allowed
00:23:18
to be just just so different. Way more
00:23:20
different. Wow.
00:23:21
>> How how long did um the Nick and Ro show
00:23:23
last?
00:23:24
>> So 94 we started together and then all
00:23:27
the way through. So then we left Oakland
00:23:31
uh sorry left Hamilton in 99 when The
00:23:32
Rock went to Aland in 99 and that's when
00:23:36
it to the whole country. So we were
00:23:38
still going then. And then he left I
00:23:40
always forget. I think it was the
00:23:43
beginning of 2005.
00:23:45
>> I'm pretty sure that he he left. Yeah.
00:23:47
>> Yes. He hated Oakland. E when the Rock
00:23:49
moved to Aland. Yeah. I remember we were
00:23:50
in the building at the same time and he
00:23:52
just wasn't a fan. Never sort of
00:23:53
adjusted. I think I think there was a
00:23:54
murder in his street and that was the
00:23:56
moment where
00:23:57
>> where him and his wife were like, "Nah,
00:23:58
we got to we got to move back to the
00:23:59
07."
00:24:00
>> No, there was he did he didn't like
00:24:01
Oakland at all and um then he then he
00:24:05
moved back to Hamilton and but was
00:24:07
commuting
00:24:07
>> and that was kind of the beginning of
00:24:09
the end really,
00:24:10
>> you know, getting up at 3:00 in the
00:24:11
morning and having to drive from
00:24:12
Hamilton to to Oakland. So yeah, it's
00:24:14
very hard to very hard to get a show to,
00:24:17
you know, happening when that's when
00:24:18
that's going on. In the meantime, as
00:24:21
well, I think early sort of 2003 or
00:24:24
four, um, they'd hired Leah Pariper and
00:24:27
Simon D as part of the show too. So we
00:24:30
used Reader Sports Guy. So the show had
00:24:32
changed quite a lot from the Hamilton
00:24:34
days.
00:24:35
>> I think he missed the Hamilton days, the
00:24:36
on air Hamilton days. Things sort of
00:24:38
changed a bit when we moved to Oakland.
00:24:40
So yeah, he left then. Yeah. Beginning
00:24:41
of 2005. Yeah.
00:24:42
>> Yeah. in in the in the early days of
00:24:44
that show was it was like him doing
00:24:45
funny voices and stuff.
00:24:46
>> Yeah, it was all character voices. A lot
00:24:48
of radio was sort of I'm not saying all
00:24:50
but it was sort of a lot of it was then.
00:24:52
Yeah. So it was he was very good at
00:24:53
that. Um and he was all these character
00:24:55
voices and it worked it worked in the
00:24:57
'90s. Yeah. It was you know it was
00:25:00
working for us uh then but then things
00:25:02
changed when we moved to Auckland.
00:25:03
>> Yeah. I I I was thinking about this um
00:25:06
when I was um prepping for this chat. I
00:25:08
can't remember the exact details of it
00:25:09
but you can probably fill in some
00:25:10
blanks. Wasn't there some lady in Napia
00:25:12
that just had an interview and she was
00:25:14
like making hundreds of complaints?
00:25:16
>> Fantastic memory. That's exactly right.
00:25:18
So from
00:25:18
>> Do you remember her name? [laughter]
00:25:20
>> No, but I No, but weirdly I remember she
00:25:23
lived on Kennedy Road because she
00:25:25
>> it was like a onewoman crusade against
00:25:27
she was Yeah. So she hated us and and
00:25:30
would write and would listen would
00:25:32
record our shows. So I this is probably
00:25:33
95 96 on
00:25:35
>> all the way through and we were still
00:25:37
getting complaints when we moved to
00:25:38
Oakland. So that was, you know, 99 2000
00:25:40
still. So she would record our show and
00:25:43
and highlight bits that she hated and
00:25:46
and complained about them to the BSA.
00:25:49
So the BSA met, I don't know, once a
00:25:51
quarter, maybe four times a year, four
00:25:54
year. And and so they'd accumulate all
00:25:56
these complaints to us about us. And so
00:26:00
because backlog because because a
00:26:02
backlog of three or four months of
00:26:03
complaints that and when things are
00:26:05
written down they sound way worse than
00:26:08
[laughter] than you talking
00:26:11
like an on air character saying
00:26:12
something is way different to when it's
00:26:14
written down in the Herald for example.
00:26:17
And so they would just they just bang us
00:26:19
for all these complaints. And so it
00:26:20
would just be thousands and thousands of
00:26:22
dollars that we'd have to pay the BSA.
00:26:25
And so she got on she was like she found
00:26:27
success. So she said, "This is working."
00:26:30
So she kept on doing it and kept on
00:26:32
doing it. And I think it was $68,000
00:26:35
worth of complaints to the BSA that she
00:26:39
didn't get the money. It was um
00:26:41
>> Yeah. the government. It's just
00:26:42
>> Helen Clark got the money. Yeah. We
00:26:44
interviewed Helen Clark about that. She
00:26:46
had a great laugh [laughter] about it.
00:26:47
>> Yeah. Well, what um what what comes to
00:26:50
mind when you think about the stuff you
00:26:52
used to do that you'd never dream of
00:26:53
doing now?
00:26:54
>> No. No. And I mean, it was that was the
00:26:57
thing. It was appropriate at the time
00:26:58
though
00:26:58
>> and it was working cuz I mean uh whether
00:27:01
it was right or not it was no one
00:27:02
complained. I mean yeah she did but you
00:27:04
know we were number one in Hamilton in
00:27:06
1998. So we've been on air since '94 and
00:27:08
by 98 we were number one. The rock was
00:27:11
number one. We were number one. So um
00:27:13
and we're going and weworked uh Steven
00:27:15
Joyce who had um control of the media
00:27:18
works then radio works it was known then
00:27:20
he was networking us like he was you
00:27:22
guys the edge to all these other um
00:27:24
markets and we were writing well there
00:27:26
and we were doing all these promotions
00:27:28
and drawing massive crowds and it was
00:27:31
life was good so we thought we thought
00:27:33
we were you know not maybe not
00:27:35
untouchable but maybe I did actually
00:27:36
back then I was only 25 26 it was
00:27:39
>> great time to be alive lot at a young
00:27:42
age. Can you can you remember any of I'm
00:27:45
sure you can remember, but is there any
00:27:47
like content you did back then that you
00:27:48
you want to share?
00:27:49
>> No.
00:27:49
>> NO. [laughter]
00:27:53
>> WELL, it was just it was more without
00:27:55
sharing anything. It was just your
00:27:57
stereotypical,
00:27:58
[snorts] okay, you know, so you had a
00:28:00
Pakistani dairy owner, you know, you had
00:28:01
a a Samoan mother, you know, you had a
00:28:05
young little kid, we had a gay guy
00:28:06
ringing. It was, you know what I mean?
00:28:08
It was the stereotypical characters
00:28:11
>> that were a thing back then. Um, so that
00:28:14
was it was like that. That's what it was
00:28:15
like.
00:28:16
>> I mean, like if if tapes of it surfaced
00:28:18
now, like it wouldn't have aged well,
00:28:19
does it? It's all in context and it
00:28:22
found a big audience at the time that
00:28:24
>> Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, it was, you
00:28:25
know, we were rating, no one was telling
00:28:26
us to stop. Um, that was working. Yeah,
00:28:29
>> it was just when you got through sort of
00:28:31
I think it was more
00:28:33
>> early 2000s when it kind of fell out of
00:28:34
favor a bit and then we had to sort of
00:28:37
um reinvent ourselves to a certain
00:28:39
extent cuz they all that all just
00:28:40
stopped. Well, it certainly stopped when
00:28:42
Nick left, but I think it had certainly
00:28:44
it had stopped
00:28:46
>> a bit then before then anyway, you know.
00:28:48
So, it was uh it was had it had to
00:28:49
change. Yeah.
00:28:50
>> What's what's um what's better and
00:28:52
what's worse about radio and the style
00:28:54
of radio now compared to then? Well, you
00:28:56
you could be more risque back then and
00:28:58
not have to worry because no one's going
00:28:59
to attack you on social media because it
00:29:01
didn't exist.
00:29:02
>> It's just a onewoman crusade
00:29:04
and it was and it was that's the thing.
00:29:06
So, it was all these complaints.
00:29:08
>> So, there were so many. There were
00:29:09
hundreds and but everyone thought it was
00:29:11
everyone was thought, "Oh my god,
00:29:12
everyone's complaining about you and
00:29:14
you're trying to explain to someone. It
00:29:16
was one person and that's all it was.
00:29:19
There was literally hand on heart. Oh,
00:29:20
there might have been the odd other one,
00:29:21
but trust me, there was there was hardly
00:29:24
any and it was just her. And so, yeah,
00:29:27
and that in the effect that we had, we
00:29:29
were actually told by then we had a new
00:29:31
CEO, Bren Impy, had had become CEO. And
00:29:33
he said, "You guys got to clean your act
00:29:35
up because I'm I'm not paying for your
00:29:37
fines anymore." So, so you you either
00:29:40
pay out of your own budgets or clean up.
00:29:44
So, we just said that's that was it
00:29:45
really. Had to clean our act up a bit.
00:29:46
Had to change.
00:29:47
>> But, back then, sorry to answer your
00:29:49
question. Um, anything went like any I
00:29:53
reckon anything pretty much went back
00:29:54
then. If you're talking the 90s, early
00:29:56
2000s, it was a real time. It was the
00:30:00
time of uh Jackass, you know, Howard
00:30:03
Stern finding getting popular. Um,
00:30:06
everything, the shock jock era,
00:30:08
everything that was all culminating in
00:30:10
the in the same time really.
00:30:12
>> You say at that time we were sort of
00:30:13
doing outrageous stunts on the edge and
00:30:15
then the only place to go is up. So you
00:30:18
have to keep escalating. I I know.
00:30:19
>> I look back and it's amazing. No one was
00:30:21
killed cuz there was no health and
00:30:23
safety. There was no checks and
00:30:24
balances.
00:30:25
>> No, cuz we No, I agree. There was So,
00:30:27
Jackass was massive obviously. And so we
00:30:30
had Jono, we' do stuff to Jonno. Jonno
00:30:32
Prior.
00:30:32
>> Yeah. Do stuff to J.
00:30:34
>> Yeah. Yeah. Who's gone on to way bigger
00:30:36
things. Um and we would do things to
00:30:38
him, torture him. Um and you're right.
00:30:41
You are so right that no one that he's
00:30:43
so lucky that he didn't die because
00:30:46
there's so many things that we like we
00:30:49
made him climb. It was when there was a
00:30:52
the America's Cup was on and there was
00:30:54
an old America's Cup boat in the harbor
00:30:56
and he we made him climb up a 16 mast
00:30:59
and jump off it.
00:31:02
[laughter]
00:31:02
That and that that could have gone
00:31:04
horribly wrong. And there was another
00:31:06
time that I didn't quite realize the
00:31:08
seriousness of the situation that we had
00:31:10
this idea to to float him from um it was
00:31:13
called what was it called? Um float
00:31:16
across the fobo or something. So from
00:31:19
Bluff to Stewart Island. We had this
00:31:21
idea to float him on a tractor tire
00:31:23
being towed in sharkinfested waters cuz
00:31:26
there's heaps of sharks down there. From
00:31:28
Bluff to to Stewart Island. This is, you
00:31:30
know, early 2000s.
00:31:32
So we fly him down. I mean, you're
00:31:34
flying down. You talk about it. You got
00:31:35
to do it. You can't say, "Oh, we're not
00:31:36
doing it today. It's too late. You're
00:31:38
you know, you're too far." Big part of
00:31:39
the budget is blowing. Yeah. You're too
00:31:40
far. You're too far down. You got to do
00:31:42
these things. I've already teased it.
00:31:44
Coming [laughter] up, Jonno, we're He's
00:31:45
going to be in a boat. We're going to
00:31:47
throw him a tractor tire, throw him
00:31:48
overboard, and we're going to float him
00:31:50
across the Stewart Island. But of
00:31:52
course, that particular morning, there
00:31:54
was a massive massive storm uh in the FO
00:31:58
Straight, and even the fishermanmen were
00:31:59
like, "We can't we can't take him out.
00:32:00
We absolutely can't take him out. Uh,
00:32:02
it's too dangerous. So, we just said,
00:32:04
"Oh, you got to do something." So, just
00:32:05
throw him on the back of this tractor
00:32:07
tire anyway and just tow him around the
00:32:08
harbor a bit. But shark infested waters.
00:32:11
And I saw this cuz there was no no one
00:32:13
was filming anything.
00:32:14
>> No, no live streaming.
00:32:16
>> I don't even know where a website back
00:32:17
then. It was if we did, it was a shitty
00:32:19
website. And there's nothing [snorts]
00:32:20
there's no no evidence that really ever
00:32:22
happened. And so, someone took a photo
00:32:24
and I was I freaked out because I saw in
00:32:26
the distance. It looked like a little
00:32:28
lifesaver lolly in the middle of this
00:32:30
massive wave. And there's Jono clinging
00:32:33
onto this tractor tire being tied by a
00:32:35
little rope. I was like, "Oh yeah,
00:32:37
that's we just um we might have got in
00:32:39
the way. We might have dodged a bullet
00:32:40
here." But that was we did that for
00:32:42
years.
00:32:43
>> Yes. So So we But the irony is the
00:32:45
reason you got into radio, the theater
00:32:47
of the mind, like the dude making dark
00:32:49
noises, like you you could have done
00:32:50
that, but but everything was about being
00:32:52
real even though no one could see it.
00:32:54
>> No. No. No one could see it. And if we
00:32:56
and you seen these these rookies out to
00:32:58
try and take a photo of Okay, so we're
00:33:00
going to tow Jonno. This is poor Jonno.
00:33:02
We're going to tow him. What we did was
00:33:04
we towed him. We lit some hay bales on
00:33:06
fire and put them on like a car bonnet
00:33:09
or something and towed him through these
00:33:10
hay bales full of fire and like you'd be
00:33:12
praying that someone got a photo of it
00:33:14
at the right time. Otherwise, you'd
00:33:15
[laughter] have nothing there's nothing
00:33:16
to there's nothing nothing to show.
00:33:19
[cough] It's like did you get a photo?
00:33:22
Did you get a little video? So yeah, we
00:33:23
couldn't even you couldn't even put
00:33:24
anything up on and it and no there was
00:33:26
no like uh recording gear. It was just
00:33:28
on your phone. So some guy was holding
00:33:30
his phone up hopefully getting some
00:33:32
noise of something. Oh would have been
00:33:34
the worst. It would have been the worst
00:33:36
radio. The [laughter] worst radio ever.
00:33:38
But people I would say people loved it.
00:33:40
They do stuff to Jonno. It was like oh
00:33:42
my god they loved it every Friday. And I
00:33:45
think the actual um I think the idea was
00:33:48
bigger than the actual events cuz some
00:33:50
of them were fairly average.
00:33:51
>> Terrible. Terrible, terrible radio.
00:33:54
Terrible radio.
00:33:55
>> They're great memories. You look back
00:33:56
and like it could have been completely
00:33:58
different like from the Yeah. But um
00:34:01
>> but I was also I was I was so happy to
00:34:03
be doing that sort of stuff. That's what
00:34:04
I love that I was on I was on air and I
00:34:06
love doing that sort of stuff and being
00:34:08
a part of that and doing the breakfast
00:34:10
show and and just having Yeah. just
00:34:11
being able to do stuff like that that's
00:34:14
not just normal radio. So yeah. So yeah,
00:34:17
that was that was a good time but a
00:34:18
dangerous time. So, um, so your wife
00:34:21
Lisa, um, who you're still with today
00:34:23
and you're you're almost empty nesters.
00:34:25
You've got two daughters. Yeah. Um, you
00:34:27
you you meet um when she's 23.
00:34:30
>> Would have been. Yes.
00:34:32
>> And this is like a radio segment.
00:34:34
>> Yeah. Oh, that I met her at 23.
00:34:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like she she a birthday
00:34:39
wish. So she's a school teacher.
00:34:41
>> Yes.
00:34:41
>> She says to her a friend at school like
00:34:43
her birthday wish is a date with Ro from
00:34:44
the Rock.
00:34:45
>> She did say that. Yeah. I know.
00:34:46
>> So this is this is pre- internet. So she
00:34:48
she doesn't know what you look like. She
00:34:50
just likes your voice.
00:34:50
>> I think she'd seen me once um Oh, she
00:34:53
might have seen me at the around at the
00:34:54
pubs, you know, [snorts]
00:34:57
>> doing promos or whatever.
00:34:58
>> Yeah. And she saw me on stage do
00:34:59
something like for a Christmas thing. So
00:35:01
she had she had seen me uh and
00:35:04
surprisingly still wanted to go out with
00:35:06
me. Uh and so yeah, her friend had said,
00:35:08
"Did you want to come to her birthday
00:35:10
dinner or something?" And I didn't I
00:35:12
didn't go cuz I didn't know anything
00:35:14
about this person. And I had um and I
00:35:18
think I I had I think I had met her. I
00:35:20
had met her. Yes, I had met her. Yes, I
00:35:24
met her after that. I met her after that
00:35:27
and she uh had met her at a pub after
00:35:29
that and said, "Oh, was that your was
00:35:32
that your Cuz Hamilton was small then,
00:35:34
you know, you could you kind of felt
00:35:35
like you knew everyone back then,
00:35:37
especially the same age.
00:35:38
>> Um especially cuz you always out doing
00:35:40
promotions and stuff." So,
00:35:41
>> it's it's it's amazing. Um it's amazing
00:35:44
meeting story though, like every day.
00:35:45
every you know these days everyone meets
00:35:47
through apps I know whatever so yeah
00:35:49
it's very unusual
00:35:50
>> it is we'd met a couple like we'd met
00:35:52
each other at a pub and she had won I
00:35:55
remember she'd won tickets to Neil and
00:35:57
Tim Finn were doing a gig at the
00:35:59
founders theater together and she'd won
00:36:01
a randomly won a double pass off uh us
00:36:05
and I had talked to her on the phone and
00:36:07
said are you she said her name was Lisa
00:36:09
Davies I said are you the one I've met
00:36:10
before are you the one whose friend
00:36:12
wanted to go out said do you want to go
00:36:15
out on uh to on a date with you and she
00:36:17
was like, "Oh my god, I don't don't
00:36:18
believe she rung you." And all this sort
00:36:19
of thing. So So yeah, so I met her prop
00:36:22
I met her properly after the gig. After
00:36:25
the Neil and Tim Finn gig. Yeah. It's
00:36:27
crazy.
00:36:28
>> I met I met her I met her then I
00:36:30
properly met her and talked to her then.
00:36:31
Yeah.
00:36:32
>> Is she still like a fan
00:36:33
>> of the rock?
00:36:34
>> Yeah. You in particular?
00:36:37
>> Yeah. Your your work I mean
00:36:39
>> Yes. And I and I and I and I I think
00:36:41
that's quite special because I it's she
00:36:44
would she wouldn't have had to she
00:36:45
doesn't wouldn't have had to have been,
00:36:46
you know, like that wouldn't it's great
00:36:48
she is she still listens and still
00:36:50
enjoys the show and she's there's been
00:36:52
so many different versions of the show
00:36:55
that she's had to listen to and there's
00:36:57
she's always and she's had me in her ear
00:36:59
for ever
00:37:01
um complaining about the show or having
00:37:04
stresses about the show um or having
00:37:07
problems with the show. Not now, but in
00:37:09
the past where she's she's had like 30
00:37:12
odd year more. No, nearly nearly. Yeah.
00:37:14
Nearly 30 years of it. Um of me having
00:37:17
to vent to her about the show cuz it's
00:37:19
such a part of my life that if it's not
00:37:22
going well, if the show's not going
00:37:24
well, I feel I don't go well.
00:37:27
>> I think so. That makes sense.
00:37:30
>> And I wouldn't be surprised, you know,
00:37:31
it's great because she could have
00:37:33
listened to she could have gone, I'm
00:37:35
sick of your show and listened to
00:37:36
something else. Happens inevitable. Um,
00:37:39
but no, she is still a fan of the show,
00:37:41
which I think is I appreciate that.
00:37:43
>> Oh, that's wonderful. That's really
00:37:45
cool. Um, yeah. Who have you been your
00:37:48
favorite people to interview? Like when
00:37:50
you see you've got a particular artist
00:37:52
or someone coming up, who do you get
00:37:53
excited about? [snorts]
00:37:54
>> So, I've been I've been lucky to
00:37:56
interview some, you know, Metallica. So
00:37:58
that was exciting. So, you know, I
00:38:00
haven't met
00:38:01
>> It's such a small I think Bryce said
00:38:02
this. It's you spend so long in radio so
00:38:05
long.
00:38:06
>> It's funny you don't get to meet I
00:38:08
certainly haven't meet got to interview
00:38:09
that many famous people. Um but I do get
00:38:13
excited. I mean that was exciting. I got
00:38:15
to interview them. Um Slash from Guns
00:38:17
and Roses. That was another one. Um, I'm
00:38:20
gutted that I was away when Oussie
00:38:23
Osborne came into the building and
00:38:25
everyone got to meet him and I I was
00:38:27
doing a promotion or something. I was I
00:38:28
wasn't even in town and so that was um
00:38:30
gutting that I didn't get to meet
00:38:32
Oussie. Anyone else did. Chris Cornell
00:38:34
was another one I missed. He
00:38:36
>> he did the rounds of the station and I
00:38:38
was I wasn't there
00:38:40
>> and I missed him. Um
00:38:42
>> but back to your question about my some
00:38:43
of my favorite guests. Some of my
00:38:45
favorite, some of them are just um the
00:38:48
rock listeners, you know, who have these
00:38:50
outrageous lives and tell the most
00:38:52
outrageous stories. It's just
00:38:54
unbelievable what they go through.
00:38:56
>> Well, I I listened to your show um from
00:38:59
start to finish yesterday morning. Oh,
00:39:00
yeah. Um there was a some guy on that
00:39:02
had like a a full back tattoo of a
00:39:04
Monster Energy logo.
00:39:05
>> Yeah. Yeah. And [laughter]
00:39:08
>> and that's just normal, you know? You
00:39:10
throw that out, that's just a normal.
00:39:11
And then he had he'd had it for five
00:39:13
years or something and and had never
00:39:14
contacted Monster Energy. Brody is his
00:39:17
name if you're Brody if you're
00:39:18
listening.
00:39:19
>> That's right. So So while you were
00:39:20
chatting to him, someone from Monster
00:39:21
called gave him some merch.
00:39:22
>> Yeah, merch. He he hadn't got round of
00:39:24
after 5 years of um contacting Monster
00:39:27
and um and getting some getting it
00:39:30
didn't even have a hat. And then
00:39:31
[laughter]
00:39:32
as a side note, he we asked him how his
00:39:34
tattoo was looking cuz it's a massive
00:39:36
one on his back. He said it looks a bit
00:39:37
carved up cuz someone threw me through a
00:39:39
shop window. [laughter]
00:39:41
Oh yeah, there was so many there was so
00:39:43
many layers to the story and then um
00:39:45
then he won some competition once to get
00:39:47
a tattoo removal and again he never got
00:39:49
round to get in. [laughter]
00:39:52
>> Ironically ironically he didn't have the
00:39:54
energy um to [laughter] get off his ass
00:39:56
and and get that sorted.
00:39:58
>> Um I mean yeah there's so there's so
00:40:00
many um there's oh that that's just that
00:40:04
sort of stuff. I love that sort of
00:40:05
stuff. some of the stories, some the
00:40:07
lives some people live
00:40:09
>> and the injuries and stuff that goes on
00:40:10
in some of their liv some of the rock
00:40:12
listeners lives are just it's just
00:40:14
unbelievable.
00:40:15
>> When it comes to your your radio career,
00:40:17
um what are you most proud of that no
00:40:19
one ever brings up?
00:40:22
>> Um well, I don't know. They probably do
00:40:23
bring it up, but I think I mean I mean
00:40:25
the last sort of I mean the mental
00:40:27
health stuff's been I mean they probably
00:40:29
do bring that up,
00:40:30
>> but I I think that's been a real um set
00:40:33
us apart from everyone else.
00:40:35
>> Yeah, it's been huge. A and it's g it's
00:40:37
given the station a real sort of pulse
00:40:39
or heart I think.
00:40:40
>> And we we didn't like that was we didn't
00:40:42
really I think go out of our own way to
00:40:44
just go we've got to do it. It just
00:40:45
organically happened when
00:40:47
>> Bryson uh John O Pra lost a good mate.
00:40:50
And so that sort of started from then.
00:40:52
Um but I mean I think people do bring
00:40:54
that up but that's been um something
00:40:56
that has really and every time we do it
00:40:59
it's it's been um emotional and
00:41:02
successful and um but yeah has has got a
00:41:06
lot of um the amount yeah I mean Bryce
00:41:08
gets it more trust me he gets it way
00:41:10
more than
00:41:11
>> as far as people approaching him about
00:41:13
it but yeah I certainly have as well
00:41:15
like the amount of people who appreciate
00:41:17
what we do. Um,
00:41:19
>> well, it even got a mentioned on
00:41:21
yesterday's show. There was like it was
00:41:22
a real quick you were talking about um
00:41:24
some a boxer that took his own life in
00:41:26
the UK. Ricky
00:41:27
>> Ricky had Yeah.
00:41:29
>> And it was um it was accompanied with
00:41:30
some information like, "Hey, here's a
00:41:32
number you can text if you want some
00:41:34
help and you know, blah blah blah."
00:41:35
>> But yeah, I mean, I think I just think
00:41:37
from day one, I mean, I feel The Rock's
00:41:39
always been maybe not now. The Rock's
00:41:41
always been the underdog. So, I'm proud
00:41:43
of the fact that it's it's lasted as
00:41:45
long as it has. And cuz I know there's
00:41:47
probably times it could have folded um
00:41:50
throughout whatever whatever whatever
00:41:52
reasons, but it's always been the
00:41:53
underdog and it's um it's always the the
00:41:56
staff have always been largely the a
00:41:59
great team, a great family all the way
00:42:02
through. um which probably people don't
00:42:04
realize and then I I can look back and
00:42:07
different periods of it all when it's um
00:42:10
and the people I've worked with and and
00:42:12
the reason it probably still going today
00:42:14
is is because of what you know the early
00:42:16
days and and now. So, I mean, people
00:42:18
won't know that, but um it's been Yeah,
00:42:21
it's it's been
00:42:22
>> it has certainly had our hard times,
00:42:24
which I appreciate now. You go through
00:42:26
the hard times to get to where you are
00:42:28
now, which I think maybe people don't
00:42:30
know. They just listen to it and don't
00:42:31
realize what's going on. But, yeah, I'm
00:42:34
quite proud of that.
00:42:35
>> Yeah.
00:42:35
>> And and being a part of that.
00:42:37
>> Who um Yeah. So, the lineup's been
00:42:39
unchanged for many years now.
00:42:41
>> The breakfast show. Yeah, pretty much.
00:42:42
Yeah.
00:42:43
>> Who Who's the boss of the show? Are you
00:42:45
the boss of the show? I [snorts] I'm the
00:42:47
anchor. I don't feel I I think I I'm at
00:42:50
times I was probably the boss. Others
00:42:54
might laugh at that. Not I don't I'm not
00:42:56
now. I think because when I So yeah, cuz
00:42:59
Nick left and you know Nick was probably
00:43:01
the boss more than me. Then he left and
00:43:04
then you know I was probably the boss
00:43:05
cuz the others were new. And then it's,
00:43:08
you know, changes. Oh, you know, Bryce
00:43:10
came on. He was, he don't, you know, he
00:43:13
he came in in 2008. So, he's been on the
00:43:15
show a long time now.
00:43:16
>> So, maybe I was the boss then cuz he was
00:43:19
younger, but certainly not now. No.
00:43:20
>> Well, the impression I got when when
00:43:22
Bryce was on the podcast, we when he
00:43:23
talked about how much you you you care
00:43:25
about the show at home. You care too
00:43:26
much. I sort of read between the lines,
00:43:28
oh, Roger is the, you know, the buck
00:43:30
stops with Ro.
00:43:31
>> Yeah, I probably I mean, I'm not saying
00:43:32
that that it is now. I probably was a
00:43:35
bit like that. I was probably too like,
00:43:38
you know, a bit what's the word?
00:43:40
Control. Control. Yeah. Yeah. I
00:43:42
definitely I I I like I hope to I like
00:43:45
to think I've let go a bit now. Um but
00:43:49
yeah, I think there was certainly years
00:43:50
when I was a bit control freaky cuz also
00:43:53
we just had and no one's fault. We just
00:43:55
had a lot of lineup changes
00:43:57
>> uh which doesn't help. So, you know,
00:43:58
like so it was like Yeah. Yeah. So many
00:44:01
like, you know, I felt like there's
00:44:02
quite a lot of lineup changes that
00:44:04
someone would leave, someone would come
00:44:05
in, then they'd leave. And and it I
00:44:08
mean, Bryce and I have been the staple
00:44:09
for a while, but then since then, you
00:44:10
know, like Paul Ego was on it, he left.
00:44:12
Dory left. Guy called Paul um Tom Furnus
00:44:15
came on, he left. Um Mel came in, he
00:44:18
left, then he came back. So, it's been
00:44:20
Leah left. You know, there's been a lot
00:44:23
lot of ch you know,
00:44:24
>> it's like AC. [laughter]
00:44:26
So it was if you sort of look at sort of
00:44:28
like 2012 to 2016 17 lot of change maybe
00:44:35
18 lot of change and so yeah that was
00:44:38
probably when it was um I was a bit more
00:44:39
control freaky but now I don't feel like
00:44:41
I need to be now it's sort of been Mels
00:44:43
and Bryce and myself and Mel sort of
00:44:46
since 2020 and so it's yeah um and
00:44:48
there's nothing a stable lineup is is is
00:44:51
it's a lot easier. Um it always s it's
00:44:54
it's strange e when someone leaves
00:44:56
>> even though you think
00:44:57
>> it takes months to get comfortable with
00:44:58
a new person and to get to know their
00:45:01
>> just their cadence of speech and their
00:45:03
timing and their sort of comedy lane
00:45:05
everything.
00:45:05
>> Yeah. It takes a while. Yeah. To get to
00:45:07
know them and even when someone's away
00:45:09
it's a little bit different for a bit
00:45:10
like Mels was away today sort of thing.
00:45:12
So it's always a little bit Yeah. You
00:45:14
get used to the you get used to what
00:45:15
you're used to then
00:45:17
>> someone goes and um
00:45:19
>> Was Miles away today because of his knee
00:45:20
injury? [laughter]
00:45:21
>> Yeah. Yeah, yesterday's show. Yeah, it's
00:45:24
it's quite funny. So, something
00:45:25
something appalling happens to you like
00:45:27
something terrible and it's like
00:45:28
immediately I suppose you think, "Oh,
00:45:30
great. This is going to give us a
00:45:31
morning full of content."
00:45:32
>> I won't lie to you. I was happy.
00:45:34
[laughter] I mean, even I think even he
00:45:35
was he was he was he was like even on
00:45:38
Saturday morning when he had done it, he
00:45:39
did it like early hours. He was in
00:45:41
hospital on the Saturday. He was texting
00:45:42
us and I think the first thing he said
00:45:44
he text to us was like there was a photo
00:45:46
of his knee and he goes, "Well guys, the
00:45:49
show's sorted for [laughter] Monday.
00:45:50
I've just done my knee and we were like,
00:45:53
"Yes, yes." You know, you're going to
00:45:55
get at least an hour out of that. More
00:45:57
than that, that's ongoing, you know. So,
00:46:00
yeah, I know it is. That's what radio's
00:46:01
like, you know, some You don't want
00:46:03
someone to injure themselves, but if
00:46:05
they do [laughter]
00:46:06
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When life gives you
00:46:07
lemons,
00:46:08
>> we love it. We We'll we'll we'll ride
00:46:09
with it. We certainly will ride with it.
00:46:11
Yeah.
00:46:11
>> Is there um is there any content that's
00:46:14
um like off off limits for you
00:46:16
personally?
00:46:18
>> I there no go zones? Oh, I I mean I
00:46:20
wouldn't talk uh extensively about my
00:46:23
kid my kid I mean I'll talk about my
00:46:25
kids but I you know I wouldn't I
00:46:26
wouldn't go I wouldn't talk about what's
00:46:27
going on in their lives for example
00:46:29
>> um
00:46:31
>> I I was uh we did this stupid feature
00:46:34
not that long ago where I was talking
00:46:36
about my ex-girlfriend and that that
00:46:37
didn't go down so well and that I
00:46:39
shouldn't have said talked too much
00:46:40
about that that
00:46:41
>> ex-girlfriend how many like this is
00:46:43
decades
00:46:43
>> I was just I I just got a bit carried
00:46:45
away and I I just yeah I was just I was
00:46:47
even when I was saying it I
00:46:49
going, "Shut up, Roger. You need to
00:46:51
[laughter] stop talking now." And that
00:46:52
was Yeah, that was a bit stupid. So,
00:46:54
yeah. I mean, [snorts] apart from that,
00:46:56
no, not really. I mean, I would Yeah. I
00:46:58
mean, I wouldn't talk I wouldn't be
00:46:59
talking about my kids in, you know, if
00:47:01
they if my kids had problems or
00:47:03
whatever. I would that's I'd leave that
00:47:04
aside. I wouldn't My wife doesn't
00:47:06
particularly uh
00:47:09
>> excuse me,
00:47:10
>> like me talking about her, so I don't
00:47:12
really much I don't really talk about
00:47:14
her much, so I appreciate that. Some
00:47:16
some don't worry, don't some don't seem
00:47:19
to mind, others are private. She's quite
00:47:21
private, so I appreciate that. So, yeah,
00:47:23
I I'll keep that um off air. Yeah,
00:47:26
>> I've actually She may not like this
00:47:27
then, but yeah, we were talking about
00:47:28
how your you meet cute before, how you
00:47:30
guys met.
00:47:30
>> Oh, no, she won't care about that.
00:47:31
>> I got I got I got a photo of you guys.
00:47:33
Look at that [ __ ] You're so young, eh?
00:47:36
>> So young. Just kids.
00:47:38
>> I think that was uh that's uh that's
00:47:40
Jonty the cat. Yeah, I would have been
00:47:43
24 probably. Look at my hair. So young,
00:47:46
eh? So lush and black and thick.
00:47:48
>> Amazing. That's what [laughter] 30 years
00:47:50
of radio.
00:47:51
>> How how do you feel the same as that kid
00:47:53
there? And how do you feel different?
00:47:55
>> Well, that kid was still doing breakfast
00:47:57
then and same role.
00:47:59
>> Same roll. I know. I was just doing it.
00:48:01
That might be
00:48:03
that might be in our first house.
00:48:05
Actually, we bought our first house in
00:48:07
Hamilton in
00:48:09
>> 1997. Oh.
00:48:10
>> So what am I then? 25
00:48:13
>> 28 years ago.
00:48:14
>> Yeah. So that's probably why. So I was
00:48:17
uh I probably felt like I was um going
00:48:20
quite well then.
00:48:21
>> Um
00:48:21
>> Oh, you were
00:48:22
>> 25 26 doing breakfast
00:48:26
>> with a lovely girlfriend at the time.
00:48:27
And I think I I'm I'm assuming that's
00:48:30
when that I think that's our first house
00:48:32
>> that we bought in 97. So yeah, I would
00:48:34
have been going I would have been
00:48:36
thinking life's pretty great back then.
00:48:38
>> Yeah. And um
00:48:40
>> yeah, that's something that gets joked
00:48:41
about on the air a lot, like your home
00:48:43
ownership, your property portfolio.
00:48:45
[laughter] Are you um are you rich and
00:48:49
tight?
00:48:50
>> Am I am I tight?
00:48:51
>> Are you rich and tight or is it an
00:48:52
exaggeration?
00:48:53
>> That's an exaggeration. I am quite
00:48:54
tight, but then my dad was quite tight.
00:48:56
My dad was shocking. [laughter] Like my
00:48:58
dad would would [snorts] let a would
00:49:00
would have a he a tea bag would last a
00:49:02
week with my dad. He [laughter] was
00:49:04
that's that's different levels of
00:49:06
tightness. He'd have these tea bags
00:49:08
drying on the kitchen bench and he'd
00:49:11
just reuse them. That's that's different
00:49:13
levels. And that's only that's just one
00:49:15
example. [snorts]
00:49:16
>> Yeah.
00:49:16
>> Um Yeah. Like he'd turn the hot water
00:49:19
cylinder off when he was going out like
00:49:21
[laughter]
00:49:24
stuff like that. He he he went to he
00:49:26
went to hospital. He injured himself
00:49:29
long. Anyway, [snorts] he was in
00:49:30
hospital and he turned the flipping hot
00:49:31
water cylinder off. [laughter] So we get
00:49:34
there cuz we he was in hospital. It's
00:49:37
like there's no hot water and he turned
00:49:39
the whole water, you know, stuff like
00:49:40
that. Like that's just next level time.
00:49:42
But I Yeah, I am a bit tight. Yeah, I'd
00:49:43
admit that. Yeah. I don't particularly
00:49:45
like spending money on if I don't have
00:49:48
to spend money, I I this is well known.
00:49:50
If I don't have to spend money, I
00:49:51
probably don't. Yes. So I'm a bit tight.
00:49:52
>> Oh, so so it's an exaggeration on the
00:49:54
air, but there is a lot of truth behind
00:49:56
it.
00:49:56
>> There's a bit of truth to it. Yeah. But
00:49:57
I mean,
00:49:58
>> what are you driving these days? Uh um
00:50:01
um a Mazda.
00:50:03
>> Nothing extravagant.
00:50:04
>> Nothing extravagant.
00:50:05
>> So you've been you would have earned
00:50:06
good money over the years. Have you been
00:50:07
smart with it?
00:50:08
>> I'd like to think so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean
00:50:10
I Yeah. I mean I'
00:50:12
>> I wouldn't have you know I wouldn't I
00:50:14
wouldn't p I wouldn't personally go out
00:50:15
and buy a 60 $80,000 car.
00:50:19
>> I just wouldn't even really think about
00:50:20
that. Would probably hurt me to do that.
00:50:22
That's p that's my own personal um the
00:50:25
car I've got now is probably the most
00:50:27
expensive car I've ever owned. So before
00:50:28
the Mazda, I used to have a Toyota Vitz
00:50:31
which I got absolutely mercilessly
00:50:33
mocked for. [laughter] And so I and I
00:50:36
hate actually hated that car because I
00:50:37
got so much [ __ ] about it and I was so
00:50:39
pleased to get rid of it. I gave it to
00:50:40
my daughter and so um then I got the
00:50:42
Mazda 2. So that's uh that's probably
00:50:44
the most expensive car. No, it is the
00:50:46
most expensive car we ever owned. But
00:50:48
>> yeah,
00:50:48
>> but I mean you and I we've both seen a
00:50:50
lot of a lot of people through um our
00:50:51
radio careers that have been very
00:50:52
successful and then and then they get
00:50:54
dumped or something happens and they've
00:50:56
got nothing to show for it.
00:50:57
>> I know. And it's it's a tragedy.
00:50:59
>> I heard. I know. I know. Yep. There was
00:51:01
someone that had nothing. I know there's
00:51:03
someone that was in there for a long
00:51:04
time who had nothing. I know. So, no,
00:51:06
that's not
00:51:07
>> that doesn't I don't I don't want to I
00:51:09
don't want to be that person. No. So,
00:51:11
and also my wife's very aligned with um
00:51:15
that as well, like and I think it was
00:51:19
drilled into her by her dad as well. So,
00:51:21
yeah. I mean, I think you sort of make
00:51:23
hay where the sunshines really. And so,
00:51:25
that's that's what we've done. When I
00:51:26
had Bryson here, you were in Europe at
00:51:28
the time seeing Oasis. I see you got the
00:51:30
the t-shirt. Um I said, "Fuck it. Looks
00:51:32
like Roger's having a good trip." He
00:51:33
goes, "Mate, it'll be the cheapest trip
00:51:35
to Europe [laughter] anyone."
00:51:39
>> I was I tell you what, I I have to say
00:51:41
hand on heart that we were helped a lot
00:51:42
because my daughter is uh flight
00:51:45
attendant for Quantis, Olivia, 24. And
00:51:47
so uh she got us in this uh she got us
00:51:51
some great some flights, staff travel.
00:51:54
So, if you got if you if you got a like
00:51:56
a relation in the airline industry, um
00:51:59
if you like direct family and or
00:52:01
friends, you can get cheap flights to um
00:52:03
that's that did help. That I have to I
00:52:06
have to back that up. We got cheap
00:52:07
flights. We got cheap flights to Europe.
00:52:09
So, yeah, I'm not complaining.
00:52:11
>> Do Do you ever after um after a day of
00:52:13
um like heavy ribbing um like when
00:52:15
you're the subject of um when you're on
00:52:17
the receiving end on the show, you get
00:52:19
back in your car, you drive home, do you
00:52:20
do you ever feel raw?
00:52:22
>> Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I
00:52:24
don't think they mean to and it's all
00:52:26
fun. It's all fun. But I think if it's
00:52:29
>> Yeah, I totally agree. And I and I'm the
00:52:30
first to I can't really complain cuz I'm
00:52:33
I'm as quick to give it back, you know.
00:52:34
I love you know if someone else is
00:52:36
getting a hard time, I'm I'm chipping in
00:52:38
too. But yeah, no, it it does it can
00:52:41
build up uh because it's it can it it's
00:52:45
like it's just years of it if you know
00:52:46
what I mean. So, [laughter]
00:52:48
you know, it's just and sometimes it
00:52:49
gets it does get to me sometimes. Not a
00:52:52
lot, but sometimes it gets to me. Yeah,
00:52:54
it's just it's it can be just like the
00:52:56
same thing
00:52:58
>> month after month [laughter] after month
00:52:59
sometimes, which I understand you got to
00:53:00
do for radio because Yeah. But yeah,
00:53:03
most of the time, no, but it it has
00:53:05
done. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:06
>> Cuz Bryce's giving you some props when
00:53:07
he was in here. He was like, "Rod will
00:53:09
set himself up." Like you turn to him
00:53:10
and say, "Hey, hey, remember that time I
00:53:13
>> recycled tea bags or whatever it
00:53:14
happened to
00:53:14
>> you?" No, there's there definitely Yeah,
00:53:17
you have to have your you have to every
00:53:19
person on on the show has to have their
00:53:21
sort of things that you can kind of
00:53:25
hone in. Maybe weakness is not the right
00:53:27
word, but that you everyone's got their
00:53:29
character that you have to be able to
00:53:31
go, you know, so and so has a problem
00:53:34
with this or so and so always does this
00:53:36
or this person's tight or,
00:53:38
>> you know, like Mel loves KFC, you know,
00:53:40
loves it. So, we always give them a hard
00:53:41
time about loving KFC. And I mean,
00:53:42
that's that's an example. But
00:53:44
>> yeah, I mean, you guys are a welloiled
00:53:46
machine. Everyone knows their roles. The
00:53:48
roles if if you're listening, it's like
00:53:50
um it's like when you watch the TV show
00:53:51
Friends, you know, you know, you know
00:53:53
what sort of jokes Chandler's going to
00:53:54
make. You know what Ross is going to
00:53:55
make? It's the same as you guys. You
00:53:56
know, you know
00:53:58
>> who's doing what making jokes about, I
00:54:00
don't know, say like Bryce and Sharon,
00:54:02
you know, like and Sharon um you know,
00:54:05
Bryce making out he's the man around the
00:54:07
house as as as for example and you know,
00:54:09
Sharon coming on and just absolutely
00:54:10
nailing him, you know, stuff like that.
00:54:12
They they they love that sort of thing.
00:54:14
>> What What are the best and worst things
00:54:16
about all those guys, Miles, Bryce, and
00:54:18
Mel?
00:54:19
>> Oh, they're all great. I mean, no one's
00:54:21
got I mean, it's you have to get on with
00:54:22
them. So, yeah. I don't I don't think
00:54:24
there's anything bad about any of them.
00:54:26
Um but they're all they all really they
00:54:29
fit into the show as such. Um
00:54:33
>> I mean Bryce is Bryce is just getting
00:54:35
he's just getting better and better.
00:54:37
Yeah, Bryce is a great storyteller. I
00:54:39
think he's a real strength of his. Yeah,
00:54:41
he tells some great great stories. And
00:54:44
um
00:54:45
>> Miles is uh quick. He's just real quick
00:54:48
sniper type humor. just comes in with
00:54:51
stuff you don't really expect and just
00:54:53
bang. Um, wow. Where did that come from?
00:54:56
That was, you know, some really great
00:54:57
great stuff there. Mel's this uh Westy
00:55:00
chick who lives single. Um, so, you
00:55:04
know, from our show's point of view. Um,
00:55:08
perfect,
00:55:09
>> perfect really having this this single
00:55:12
uh Westy chick.
00:55:13
>> Not that she's that West, but she's not
00:55:16
she's not she's not Cheryl West. When
00:55:19
when do you think over the three decades
00:55:21
when do you think you've been um
00:55:22
happiest and most miserable on the job?
00:55:25
>> I had a we had I was pretty h I mean I
00:55:27
was happy early days at Hamilton if I if
00:55:29
I'm yeah being perfectly honest. Um
00:55:32
those sort of the Hamilton years were
00:55:33
great because I just started Breakfast
00:55:35
and then you know um and I just made all
00:55:39
probably I made all my best friends that
00:55:41
I still got today. a lot of them from
00:55:43
Hamilton and just starting everything
00:55:46
everything you did was you did for the
00:55:48
first time and so every you have I have
00:55:50
all these memories funnally of Hamilton
00:55:53
rock days friendship days pub days
00:55:56
everything I did in Hamilton I have
00:55:58
these really fond memories of because I
00:56:00
think I was only in my 20s growing up
00:56:03
met lease there everything I did um was
00:56:06
kind of the first time so I was really
00:56:08
happy then moving to Oakland was a bit
00:56:10
harder because the show dipped down a
00:56:13
bit and and living in Oakuckland was
00:56:15
hard after living in Hamilton and and
00:56:18
you know the show wasn't going as well
00:56:20
and um that was a bit of a battle but
00:56:22
then by like
00:56:25
myself and Douly Leah Parnipa Paul ego
00:56:28
that was quite a good show there for a
00:56:29
while that we had u we did pretty well
00:56:31
then um but looking at the show and then
00:56:35
I think I don't think I was that happy
00:56:38
sort of 2012ish
00:56:41
a lot of changes. It's a bit of a
00:56:43
battle. Yeah, there's probably people
00:56:45
that should have left. Um hung around
00:56:49
for a bit too long, I I I think. Um and
00:56:52
so yeah, so but now is great. Yeah, now
00:56:55
now is great. We got a great team,
00:56:57
great producer, Ryan. He's he's great.
00:56:59
He he came on board about seven years
00:57:02
ago. Oh, I might be wrong there. I'll
00:57:03
have to have to check that. Yeah, he's
00:57:05
been he's been with us a while now.
00:57:07
Maybe
00:57:07
>> 2017, Ryan Magcguire. and he's sort of
00:57:10
um yeah, he's great. He's really good.
00:57:12
And so yeah, uh now it's good. And like
00:57:14
last year we were number one breakfast
00:57:17
share like not number one but number one
00:57:20
>> share of breakfast um end of last year.
00:57:22
So yeah. No, it's great. It's it's going
00:57:24
well. Yeah,
00:57:25
>> it's cyclical. It's funny when the
00:57:27
ratings are good, everyone sort of
00:57:28
leaves you alone. When the ratings are
00:57:30
bad, that's when everyone in
00:57:31
management's got an opinion. They start
00:57:33
bringing in consultants from overseas.
00:57:35
>> 100%. And and that's why I probably look
00:57:36
back at that sort of 2012 on you know
00:57:39
when we didn't things were starting to
00:57:42
um slip and yeah consultants were in
00:57:45
everyone's looking at you and it's uh
00:57:46
you probably you probably overthink
00:57:49
everything and um yeah not yeah not I
00:57:51
don't remember I don't have fond
00:57:52
memories of of of any sort of around
00:57:54
then. Yeah I don't Yeah I wasn't very
00:57:57
happy then. No no that was a while ago
00:58:00
now. Yeah.
00:58:01
>> I think I think I was the same when I
00:58:03
was doing radio. every every couple of
00:58:04
years I'd have a moment where I'm
00:58:05
thinking what am I like an like some
00:58:08
sort of like crisis it's like what am I
00:58:09
doing with my life and then you'd look
00:58:11
on seek or zeal and you think what would
00:58:14
I do like if money was no object and you
00:58:16
type it in and you realize like you get
00:58:17
60k a year and I'm like oh no I'll I'll
00:58:19
suck it up
00:58:20
>> I know I'd have these you'd have a
00:58:22
survey come out that was terrible and I
00:58:23
look back now and I was just so
00:58:26
>> it was the end of the world some some of
00:58:28
them for me they looking back they
00:58:30
probably weren't even that bad
00:58:32
>> but at the time and you've kind of
00:58:34
worked all year and these ser the
00:58:37
results come out and they're terrible.
00:58:38
Well, I thought they were and it's just
00:58:40
the end of the world
00:58:42
>> and you're thinking, "Oh,
00:58:44
I might have to do something else now
00:58:45
cuz I'm either going to get flacked or
00:58:48
I'm I'm just I can't do this anymore."
00:58:51
>> And then it's funny, isn't it? a few
00:58:52
months later um or however long later um
00:58:57
another result comes out and it's better
00:58:59
[laughter]
00:59:00
>> and then everything's well in the world,
00:59:01
you know,
00:59:02
>> something happens like Kings of Leon put
00:59:03
out a new album and suddenly
00:59:05
>> and you um all of a sudden you have a
00:59:07
few good shows and a good week and a
00:59:10
good month and and then it's like what
00:59:12
was I worried about? But you're all It's
00:59:13
funny, isn't it? Cuz I you're the only
00:59:15
one who really cares. No one, you know,
00:59:17
no one in listen list listening really
00:59:20
knows about survey
00:59:21
>> or ratings and anything like that. It's
00:59:23
it's only really you that that worry
00:59:25
about it.
00:59:25
>> No. And that was probably the big
00:59:27
surprise for me getting out of radio cuz
00:59:28
you put so much importance on it and I'd
00:59:30
be just devastated like heartbroken by
00:59:32
some results and I have been
00:59:34
>> and you take a step back and you realize
00:59:35
yeah no one no one knows and if someone
00:59:36
listens to the rock as far as they're
00:59:38
concerned it's number one and that's all
00:59:40
that matters.
00:59:40
>> They they do say that a lot of the time.
00:59:42
Oh you guys must be number one. And it's
00:59:43
like, no, no, not certainly not.
00:59:46
Certainly not. But no, that's Yeah,
00:59:48
that's life, isn't it? That's if you're
00:59:50
in if like if you're in radio and if
00:59:52
commercial radio, breakfast radio, that
00:59:54
you kind of you've either you've always
00:59:56
kind of lived and died by results in a
00:59:59
way. Um, certainly when you're younger.
01:00:02
>> Um,
01:00:03
>> and now there's there were four a year
01:00:05
and that kind of there's too many, you
01:00:07
know, that after four a year, you kind
01:00:09
of you can't worry about all them. So,
01:00:11
you [laughter] kind of just You just
01:00:12
kind to let go. You just have to let go.
01:00:14
I just I have let go a lot I think.
01:00:17
Yeah. In the last few years.
01:00:18
>> Have you? What's that? Is that um age
01:00:21
maturity?
01:00:22
>> Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so.
01:00:23
Yeah. Also too, you're probably a bit
01:00:25
more I kind of know that
01:00:28
>> we are doing a good job. I we are I
01:00:31
think I know we are. Um
01:00:33
>> and that's sort of been proven the last
01:00:35
few years. So yeah, you sort of know
01:00:37
you're doing it. You're not taking the
01:00:38
piss. You know actually know you're
01:00:40
doing a good show. So whatever happens
01:00:42
happens now. But I never used to be like
01:00:43
that. No, I used to be a shocker. You
01:00:45
ask anyone.
01:00:47
>> Anyone. I'm known I'm known for it.
01:00:49
>> Mate, I I was exactly the same.
01:00:51
>> Yeah. Known for it.
01:00:53
>> Just that Yeah. The night before, oh
01:00:56
god, that's right. You're out today,
01:00:58
>> the morning of.
01:00:59
>> Terrible. Terrible way to live your
01:01:00
life.
01:01:01
>> Terrible. Have Have you ever seriously
01:01:03
um considered quitting? [sighs]
01:01:06
>> I think a couple of years ago I was over
01:01:08
it. Yeah. And I we had a meeting
01:01:11
and I wasn't ready to I was kind of
01:01:14
ready to
01:01:16
I was definitely thinking about it. I I
01:01:18
I didn't know how what my plan was, how
01:01:21
I was going to live. [laughter]
01:01:23
Um but the I I was I was honestly Yeah.
01:01:26
a bit over it. Yeah. Two couple of years
01:01:27
ago. But then we had a meeting and
01:01:30
sorted a few things out and and that was
01:01:32
fine. So that was the first that was
01:01:34
only that it was the first time really.
01:01:36
Seriously, the first time. Yeah. Most of
01:01:38
the time I I loved it. Yeah.
01:01:40
>> Well, this break that you're having,
01:01:41
this little sbatical like 3 months, this
01:01:43
this could buy you another another
01:01:45
couple of years, three years, five
01:01:46
years.
01:01:47
>> And and I think that was Yeah. I was I
01:01:48
know earlier I was sort of you were
01:01:50
saying I wouldn't be doing it for
01:01:51
another seven years. And I but I think
01:01:53
that was also I'd like to also reiterate
01:01:55
that. Yeah, that was kind of like, hey,
01:01:56
we'll give you this break, which I'm
01:01:58
appreciative of. And it it it'll you'll
01:02:00
you know, you'll come back a different
01:02:02
person. And I think I will. I'm ready
01:02:03
for a break. I just feel a little bit
01:02:04
burnt out
01:02:05
>> after. It's kind of it's it's and it's
01:02:08
not anything now. It's just I think it's
01:02:10
just cumulative really of of you know
01:02:13
day after day after day. Um but but
01:02:15
you're right and and I think I will come
01:02:16
back uh next year and I'll be a
01:02:18
different person like 3 months who I've
01:02:20
never had it. I've never had three
01:02:22
months off in my life. So
01:02:24
>> um Oh, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah.
01:02:26
And I I could I could come back and go,
01:02:28
"Yep, I'm set. My mind's free.
01:02:32
I love it again." Um Yeah. But you know,
01:02:36
you're right.
01:02:37
>> What what um what has been the key to
01:02:39
your longevity? 30 30 years in any one
01:02:42
job is um an outstanding innings. But um
01:02:44
in like a cutthroat industry like media,
01:02:47
it's um especially long, it's probably
01:02:49
equivalent to like 90 years in a regular
01:02:51
job.
01:02:51
>> Yeah. I mean, I've always loved it. I've
01:02:53
always loved
01:02:55
>> I [snorts] always wanted to get I always
01:02:56
wanted to do radio, so I always loved
01:02:59
radio and I always most of the time
01:03:01
loved doing the show. And so um and I
01:03:04
always felt that
01:03:06
there was we always had more. I didn't
01:03:09
really ever want to quit. I never wanted
01:03:10
to go out and I always you know there
01:03:12
was always aiming for you know success
01:03:15
whatever that looks like. And so
01:03:18
>> I never I never ever wanted to leave. Um
01:03:20
I think I I think I work hard and I've
01:03:22
got a good attitude and so that always
01:03:24
helps. And if the bosses like you and if
01:03:27
the I think the rocks always as far as
01:03:30
me the rock's always um done well or
01:03:33
well enough
01:03:35
most of the time make you know moneywise
01:03:38
that they're never really seriously
01:03:39
thought about. [laughter]
01:03:40
>> So even when you're in a slum it's like
01:03:41
keepove
01:03:43
your head above water. So it's always
01:03:45
been I feel it's always looking back.
01:03:46
it's always done well enough even in the
01:03:49
bad times um to get not really seriously
01:03:52
look at any change
01:03:54
>> and then and I just think it's uh it's
01:03:57
just got it's always and it's just I
01:04:00
think it's just got stronger it's just
01:04:01
got stronger and stronger over the years
01:04:03
and so now it's now it's probably not
01:04:06
even a not even a thing but um and I've
01:04:08
just sort of I've just ridden it. Yeah.
01:04:10
I've always just sort of been being the
01:04:12
one the constant that's been there and
01:04:14
and I guess if there's been ch you know
01:04:16
there has been a lot of changes over the
01:04:17
years not recently but over the years.
01:04:19
So they've probably felt they've had to
01:04:21
keep me because of this person's going
01:04:23
and this person's coming in and etc etc.
01:04:26
Um they've always felt they needed me
01:04:28
there. Uh and so and I and and also I've
01:04:31
been happy to stay. So yeah. Oh, mate,
01:04:33
it's it's very comforting, you know, to
01:04:35
think that there's um like say a
01:04:37
10-year-old that started listening to
01:04:38
the rock at the beginning of your
01:04:39
career. They're now a middle-aged man.
01:04:41
>> And [laughter] I know and I meet it
01:04:43
strange now. And I do meet I meet
01:04:45
generations now. So I meet dads and
01:04:47
their kids
01:04:49
>> uh their sons or daughters. And so in
01:04:51
>> It's really neat.
01:04:51
>> It's it's it's blow. I don't think about
01:04:54
it in the studio and I don't really
01:04:55
think about it out of the studio, but
01:04:57
when you meet people at Rock 2000, it's
01:04:59
like, oh yeah, my dad listens or oh,
01:05:02
their dad is with their son, you know,
01:05:04
and they've been listening for 30 years
01:05:05
and then their son's, you know,
01:05:07
>> 25 and they've been listening as well.
01:05:09
Or
01:05:10
>> I was in this I was did this thing in
01:05:11
Wellington last year, some pre-party and
01:05:13
this guy had Yeah. He just said, "I've
01:05:16
listened to you my whole working life."
01:05:18
So when I started work when I was
01:05:20
however old he was 18 or something
01:05:22
>> and he was all the way through and he
01:05:24
was still listening at at his workplace
01:05:26
and that I was that kind of
01:05:28
>> it moved me a bit actually. I was like
01:05:30
wow that's amazing. Yeah.
01:05:32
>> Yeah. It's really
01:05:33
>> all the way all the way through.
01:05:35
>> Yeah. So so there's there's there's
01:05:36
things like that which I think are
01:05:37
warranted given your um you know your
01:05:39
contribution and your longevity and your
01:05:41
your skill set. With that in mind, on
01:05:43
the flip side of that, does it annoy you
01:05:45
when there's there's there's people that
01:05:47
like reduce your role to just an iconic
01:05:49
laugh?
01:05:50
>> Uh, no, maybe. No, no. I think maybe a
01:05:54
while, you know, years ago that I just
01:05:56
that's all they used to think. I It
01:05:58
doesn't worry me now. No. No. And they
01:06:00
do say that. Yeah. I'm happy with that.
01:06:02
I don't That doesn't worry me
01:06:04
>> if that's what they uh if that's what
01:06:05
they if that's what they think. That
01:06:06
could it could be way worse. Yeah.
01:06:08
[laughter] I I I know I know what
01:06:11
>> what your contribution is.
01:06:12
>> I Yeah, I know what needs to be done on
01:06:15
air and off air to put a show on
01:06:18
>> and to be a radio announcer and that's
01:06:21
not and it's all the stuff you do
01:06:23
>> public stuff and promotions and all that
01:06:25
sort of thing that goes with it. So
01:06:26
yeah, I've done so much of that as well
01:06:28
so that I I know what I've what I've
01:06:30
done.
01:06:30
>> Yeah. And and anyone that says that is
01:06:32
someone that doesn't have an
01:06:33
understanding of radio. Like like if I'm
01:06:34
in if I'm in the car and I'm like
01:06:36
talking to a passenger and I've got the
01:06:38
rock in the background at sort of a low
01:06:39
volume.
01:06:40
>> It sounds like you guys even though I
01:06:41
don't know what's going on, it sounds
01:06:43
like there's a party that I'm missing
01:06:44
out on.
01:06:45
>> Yeah. Yeah. And that's Yeah. That that's
01:06:46
another Yeah. Absolutely. You've got to
01:06:48
be up. I mean, you have to try and be up
01:06:50
every day as as you know. Yeah. You
01:06:52
can't be days when you even if you don't
01:06:53
want to be there or you're tired or
01:06:55
something
01:06:56
>> or something's happened. It's that's um
01:06:58
>> you've always got to be on
01:07:00
>> or pretend to be on. Um and that Yeah.
01:07:03
So
01:07:05
that's um that can be hard sometimes all
01:07:08
you know every day but that's what
01:07:10
that's part of the job isn't it? Yeah.
01:07:12
>> What about um legacy? What do you want
01:07:15
your legacy in broadcasting to be?
01:07:17
>> I just wondered now if you're just I
01:07:20
don't know is it you could you can be
01:07:22
quickly forgotten. Hey, I think no, you
01:07:26
know, like
01:07:27
>> people people leave
01:07:29
>> and you [snorts] look at you look at
01:07:30
Paul Holmes, it's like um Sir Paul
01:07:32
Holmes, the most iconic New Zealand
01:07:34
broadcaster ever,
01:07:35
>> TV show, radio show.
01:07:37
>> You talk to someone in their 20s now,
01:07:38
they won't know who you're talking to.
01:07:39
>> They won't. And I you think of Kevin
01:07:40
Black, who I, you know, who I knew at
01:07:43
Solid Gold when he was just sort of,
01:07:45
>> well, he retired and he came back.
01:07:47
>> Yeah, he was in the studio next door.
01:07:49
>> Yeah, he was in the studio next door.
01:07:50
>> Didn't he tell you and Nick Off a couple
01:07:51
of times early on? [laughter] Did he?
01:07:54
>> I I love Blackie, by the way.
01:07:55
>> I love him. Oh, me. I was so nervous the
01:07:58
first time I met him.
01:07:59
>> Oh, meeting him. Oh my god.
01:08:02
>> He's the coolest guy. What did he tell
01:08:03
you off about?
01:08:04
>> I think our music was too loud.
01:08:05
[laughter]
01:08:07
>> I think we had the Cuz it was right next
01:08:09
door. Yeah. And I think there was a time
01:08:12
too. No, I remember this. Yeah. So,
01:08:14
there was that. And then there was a
01:08:16
time we So, we were in Hamilton and
01:08:19
that's a bit of a technicality. We were
01:08:20
in Hamilton but broadcasting in
01:08:22
Oakuckland and we hadn't quite moved to
01:08:23
Oakland yet. And so
01:08:26
so they could so you could hear us in
01:08:28
Oakuckland, Nick and I. And we did some
01:08:30
just juvenile
01:08:33
joke on air where we were like taking
01:08:35
them off like so there's uh Kevin Black
01:08:38
and uh Jenny Kevin and Jenny it was
01:08:41
there was her co-host and uh I think
01:08:43
that I think that's what her name was
01:08:44
and um
01:08:46
>> Mark and we were taking the piss out of
01:08:48
them like Nick was pretending to be um
01:08:51
Blackie and I was pretending to be Jenny
01:08:52
or something and yeah they they heard
01:08:54
that and it was an absolute nothing but
01:08:56
I think that's what he was pissed off
01:08:57
about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then
01:09:00
I spilled a cup of coffee on him my
01:09:01
morning. That was horrific. I came
01:09:03
around the corner in a hurry with my
01:09:05
coffee and he came the other way around
01:09:06
and
01:09:08
all over him. But
01:09:09
>> he was always he was
01:09:11
>> he was great man.
01:09:12
>> So I was a big fan of his as as a as a
01:09:14
you know like a little kid. I'd buy the
01:09:15
albums of his prank calls and then then
01:09:17
I got to work in the same building with
01:09:18
him and
01:09:19
>> he was in his 60s then. He'd wear Hugo
01:09:21
Boss jeans and nice like cashmere
01:09:23
sweaters. He was a fit handsome old
01:09:25
dude.
01:09:25
>> No, he was he was an absolute legend
01:09:27
that guy. Yeah. and he'd just come in
01:09:29
and Blackie was Blackie. These guys,
01:09:31
Tony Amos, big Tony, these legends of
01:09:33
radio, Macka as well
01:09:35
>> and I was only in my 20s and uh meeting
01:09:38
those guys, they were so they were
01:09:39
awesome. They
01:09:41
>> really really good guys.
01:09:43
>> But yeah, but I mean there's another
01:09:44
legend and um you're right there. Sadly
01:09:46
there'll be people who um wouldn't know
01:09:50
who he is now if you're in your 20s.
01:09:52
>> Probably not.
01:09:52
>> Yeah, I Yes. I suppose in terms of
01:09:54
legacy it's like the um the the guy that
01:09:56
you were talking about before that had
01:09:57
listened to you his entire work life
01:09:59
>> like you you'll keep a place um in their
01:10:02
hearts and minds but maybe uh
01:10:04
>> yeah I mean if you were to leave
01:10:05
tomorrow I mean it's funny isn't it
01:10:07
because you know and someone else takes
01:10:10
over someone and like in a year or two
01:10:12
I'm not even saying two years you know 6
01:10:14
months to a year people get used to that
01:10:17
other person you know I mean I've seen
01:10:18
it I've seen I've had so many co-hosts
01:10:20
over the years I've seen it happen
01:10:22
>> um
01:10:22
>> twoinut minutes after leaving there's
01:10:24
another face on the billboard.
01:10:25
>> Well, I mean I the website
01:10:27
>> because Nick and I were together 12
01:10:29
years on air and I and when he left I
01:10:32
thought that was it. I thought ah I
01:10:34
don't know how we're going to how this
01:10:36
is going to work. And it's funny, isn't
01:10:37
it? Now there've been people who don't
01:10:39
wouldn't even know he was on uh the
01:10:40
show.
01:10:41
>> Um completely forgot. Yeah. Or not
01:10:44
wouldn't even know. Yeah. It was
01:10:46
something that happened sort of in the '
01:10:47
90s.
01:10:48
>> Yeah.
01:10:48
>> So you you're not too concerned about
01:10:49
that? You're not too bothered? I just
01:10:51
you just got to be realistic, don't you?
01:10:53
Yeah. It's given it a good go. Um I
01:10:55
mean, who who knows uh what people will
01:10:58
think of me, but yeah, I've tried.
01:11:00
[laughter]
01:11:01
>> Oh, mate. Mate, it's been
01:11:03
>> I've tried.
01:11:04
>> It's been an incredible career, and it
01:11:06
still is. Um yeah, there was there was
01:11:08
one thing that um I read about you. Um
01:11:11
>> yeah, you mentioned before all the great
01:11:12
stuff you guys have done with um you
01:11:14
know, I am hope Friday. There's a couple
01:11:16
of standout moments like um you getting
01:11:18
Christopher Luxon to commit to
01:11:21
giving some money towards mental health
01:11:22
and also there was um a hugely viral
01:11:25
interview that you did with Mike King
01:11:26
where he broke down on your show. I know
01:11:28
[snorts]
01:11:28
>> but you personally you re revealed on
01:11:30
there that you'd battled depression
01:11:31
early in your career and went to see a
01:11:33
counselor.
01:11:33
>> Yeah, I did. Yeah.
01:11:34
>> When when was that?
01:11:35
>> Oh, I heard I've I've been through a
01:11:37
couple of times. I was trying to think
01:11:39
of the first time. Um that was um that
01:11:42
was probably a bit early on actually.
01:11:44
Yeah. Yeah, that was early on. It was
01:11:46
probably It was probably when I was
01:11:48
talking to you about that sort of 2012
01:11:51
times in my life where for whatever
01:11:53
reason everything wasn't going right.
01:11:56
So, um I think my kids were younger. My
01:11:58
kids were definitely younger then. So,
01:11:59
>> yeah, that was a that was a time I just
01:12:01
felt pretty low and depressed and didn't
01:12:03
really have much joy in my life. Uh so,
01:12:05
that was then. Uh and yeah, recently I I
01:12:07
have I don't know. I just uh I I don't
01:12:10
think anyone knows or picks up on it. I
01:12:13
just have these times when I
01:12:16
everything just seems a bit hard. Um,
01:12:19
and everything I don't find much joy in
01:12:21
everything. Um, and I think I have
01:12:25
sometimes I think my sleep is is key to
01:12:27
this. So if I if my sleep sort of goes
01:12:31
>> it it sort of escalates things a lot and
01:12:33
it sort of for for whatever reason um
01:12:37
>> sleeping is so key to me anyway,
01:12:39
especially doing breakfast. Um if I can
01:12:41
if I Yeah, that seems to go sometimes
01:12:43
and that makes life hard. Um I was I was
01:12:47
seeing a counselor a few years ago a
01:12:49
little bit. Yeah, I just didn't feel
01:12:52
like anything was great in my life
01:12:55
>> even though it probably it was. Um but
01:12:58
it's funny how you have these negative
01:13:00
thoughts and everything seems [ __ ]
01:13:02
>> um for whatever reason.
01:13:05
>> But yeah, it's funny how I don't know
01:13:06
why. I mean now I don't think it now but
01:13:10
nothing's changed really. Um but yeah I
01:13:12
sort of got out of that hole. Yeah.
01:13:13
>> When when did you and you might go back
01:13:15
into that hole at some point and I
01:13:16
suppose that's the I I probably I
01:13:19
probably will. Yeah.
01:13:20
>> Um and it's nothing
01:13:22
>> I don't think it's anything that sets it
01:13:24
off. If it's just like I don't know it
01:13:26
seems to be one thing happens and
01:13:28
another thing happens and another thing
01:13:29
happens and it seems to I have these
01:13:31
things in my brain and mind that my my
01:13:34
wife says I catastrophize things. It's
01:13:36
like one thing will go wrong
01:13:39
>> and then another thing and it's these
01:13:40
all these little things that that and
01:13:42
then it's then I just feel like [ __ ]
01:13:45
But yeah.
01:13:45
>> Are you good at talking about it?
01:13:47
>> Uh no. [laughter]
01:13:49
>> Like to Yeah. Yeah. To her. Yeah. Even
01:13:53
Yeah.
01:13:53
>> She can just pick up when something's
01:13:55
>> She's very good at that.
01:13:56
>> When you talk about 2012, we would have
01:13:57
been working together then.
01:13:59
>> It was around then that things were
01:14:01
pretty [ __ ] Yeah.
01:14:02
>> Wouldn't have known.
01:14:02
>> No, I don't think anyone would have
01:14:04
known. But then I suppose everyone can
01:14:05
wear like a good mask.
01:14:06
>> People do. Yeah, people. You hear about
01:14:09
people that are battling all the time
01:14:10
and you have no idea that they're
01:14:12
battling or going through stuff. Um you
01:14:14
[clears throat] hear about stuff. So
01:14:15
yeah, I don't think they Well, they
01:14:16
probably wouldn't have. No, I don't
01:14:18
think they would have known.
01:14:19
>> Are you good at um recognizing when you
01:14:21
when you're starting to spiral or you
01:14:23
just don't realize when it's
01:14:24
>> No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:26
Definitely. Yeah. Um
01:14:31
yeah, I do. I do notice it. Yeah. Um,
01:14:34
what do I do about that? Well, I I
01:14:36
Exercise is good. I Yeah, it's it's when
01:14:38
you don't Yeah, it's just you get in a I
01:14:40
think you need a great You just need to
01:14:42
be in a great sort of um what's the
01:14:43
word?
01:14:45
rhythm where you're exercising all the
01:14:47
time and and things are going well at
01:14:49
home and things are going well at work
01:14:50
and um everything's all good. Yeah. But
01:14:53
it's when it's um maybe you don't go to
01:14:55
the gym for a bit and then
01:14:59
>> something happens and you just feel like
01:15:01
Yeah. The world's getting on top of me.
01:15:02
>> Yeah, the world's getting on top of me.
01:15:04
Yeah, that's what I feel like sometimes.
01:15:05
Yeah. Yeah.
01:15:06
>> Um, and like seeing a counselor, was
01:15:08
that scary for you? What was the
01:15:10
>> It wasn't actually. No. No. I didn't
01:15:11
really mind that. No. No. I uh No, that
01:15:15
wasn't um It's kind of a bit like this,
01:15:18
isn't it? Really,
01:15:19
>> just just chatting. Yeah. Yeah. No, that
01:15:21
that seemed to help. It's um
01:15:24
>> you probably know you know you know
01:15:26
anyway, but you just have to talk to
01:15:28
someone about it. Um, and then you kind
01:15:30
of find your way out of these things.
01:15:32
So, yeah. No, it's good now. Yeah. But I
01:15:34
I definitely have seen someone about
01:15:36
things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:15:38
>> I'm not surprised, mate. It's it's a
01:15:40
like it's a it's a lot that you've done
01:15:42
for a long time. E like early starts and
01:15:44
and there's um
01:15:45
>> sacrifices that people wouldn't wouldn't
01:15:47
It's a trade-off. I suppose sacrifices
01:15:49
are a trade-off, but like your your your
01:15:51
daughters like you would have never have
01:15:52
really seen them in the morning.
01:15:54
>> Never. No. It's a great life. It's a
01:15:56
great job. I've always I've never I'd
01:15:58
like to think I've never complained
01:16:00
about it. I'm not complaining about it
01:16:01
now. It's a great It's probably one of
01:16:03
the best jobs. I think you have to get
01:16:05
up early. Um but it's still it still
01:16:08
exists as a job.
01:16:10
>> Uh it um it pays all right. Pays well.
01:16:14
Um it's I've had a great life. Yeah,
01:16:16
it's it's very good. But yeah, it's it's
01:16:18
it's it's constant.
01:16:21
>> It is constant. You can't just sort of
01:16:23
well I can't anyway just decide not to
01:16:26
do you know oh I I I won't worry too
01:16:29
much about tomorrow's show you know
01:16:31
there's never it's always
01:16:33
>> present in my mind.
01:16:34
>> Yeah.
01:16:34
>> Yeah. So it's always there
01:16:36
>> and it's it's an inferno of content as
01:16:38
well. It's just a thirsty beast that
01:16:41
constantly needs feeding.
01:16:42
>> You can't really just turn up. I mean
01:16:44
some might. We don't. You just can't
01:16:46
turn up and wing it. Especially not when
01:16:49
the shows get bigger, like when there's
01:16:51
five or six people involved in a show,
01:16:53
like everyone needs to be on the same
01:16:54
page.
01:16:56
>> Yeah. Everyone's got to know what's
01:16:57
going on in in in every break. So, you
01:16:59
can't just turn up and wing it. So, it's
01:17:00
always
01:17:01
>> Luckily, there's a lot on the show that
01:17:03
helps. Um, you can't Yeah, it's it's
01:17:06
>> it's always there. Yeah, it's it's a
01:17:08
lot.
01:17:09
>> It's always But that's your job, isn't
01:17:11
it? So, yeah. And like I said earlier,
01:17:13
you're either you're 100% in or you're
01:17:16
not. So you're either in or out. Yeah.
01:17:18
You can't sort of do
01:17:20
>> it's not you can't treat it like a
01:17:21
hobby.
01:17:23
[laughter]
01:17:24
>> Although I remember um last year a
01:17:26
mutual friend of ours, Nixon, he was
01:17:28
doing um he was doing a drive an
01:17:30
afternoon show and was spending the
01:17:31
mornings as a green keeper at a golf
01:17:33
club.
01:17:33
>> He's unique. [laughter]
01:17:36
>> He's a very much energy.
01:17:38
>> He's he does apparently he doesn't he
01:17:40
doesn't need sleep. [laughter]
01:17:42
>> I've heard he doesn't need sleep. So he
01:17:44
happily can do he reckon he could do two
01:17:46
jobs if he wanted to.
01:17:48
>> Yeah. No. Yeah.
01:17:49
>> Well, he's he's just become a dad him
01:17:51
and his wife Sarah. So if he complains
01:17:52
about sleep deprivation [laughter]
01:17:55
>> if he Yeah. I mean perfect if he's just
01:17:57
a new dad and he doesn't need sleep. Oh.
01:18:00
[laughter] Yeah. Yeah. He regularly
01:18:01
doesn't need it. So good on him.
01:18:03
>> Um what's your what's your inner voice
01:18:05
like? Your inner critic.
01:18:07
>> Mike King talks about the inner critic a
01:18:08
lot.
01:18:09
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um
01:18:11
>> are you quite kind to yourself? for you.
01:18:12
Do you quite hard on yourself?
01:18:14
>> Oh, I can be quite hard on myself.
01:18:15
[clears throat] Yeah.
01:18:16
>> Yeah, I can be. I can be. Uh,
01:18:21
not all the time,
01:18:23
but yeah. Most I have been I can be
01:18:26
quite hard on myself. Yeah, I think it's
01:18:30
um when you've been doing it for so long
01:18:32
as well,
01:18:34
you kind of expect, you know, it just
01:18:36
you get to a norm a state of what you um
01:18:40
know you can perform at or whatever and
01:18:42
it's when something he's like, Jesus,
01:18:44
what the hell happened today? You know,
01:18:46
why did you [ __ ] that up? It's like, oh,
01:18:48
why did you do this or why did you do
01:18:49
that? So, yeah.
01:18:51
>> Yeah. No, I uh I need to probably work
01:18:54
on that a bit, I'd say. Yeah. It's It
01:18:56
would be This is why I just need a
01:18:58
break. That's why I'm looking forward to
01:19:00
it. Just not have to worry about it for
01:19:02
a while.
01:19:02
>> Nothing Nothing left in the tank.
01:19:04
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not Yeah. Yeah. I'm
01:19:08
Yeah. I mean, this year has been fine,
01:19:09
but I know I've sort of known that this
01:19:10
is a this break was coming for a while.
01:19:13
So, it's kind of been a nice thing to to
01:19:17
always have in the
01:19:18
>> back of your mind that it's like, yeah,
01:19:19
I just need to kind of get through till
01:19:21
end of October and then I'm then I can
01:19:23
have a break and I'll be,
01:19:24
>> you know, it'll be I'll do me the world
01:19:26
of good. Really will. It'll be great.
01:19:27
>> I I almost get the sense you feel like a
01:19:29
like a tiny bit guilty about having this
01:19:31
extended break.
01:19:32
>> Uh yeah. Well, I just wondered what the
01:19:33
others would think, but they were great
01:19:34
with it. Um but I was Yeah, I didn't I
01:19:37
was offered it and I didn't see I didn't
01:19:38
ask for it. I didn't see it coming and
01:19:40
it was offered to me and I went, "Oh,
01:19:41
okay. Uh, I'll take it. Yeah, I'll um
01:19:46
didn't even think of the consequences. I
01:19:47
said, "Yep, I'll I'll take that and uh
01:19:49
and we'll see how we go." Um, do I feel
01:19:51
guilt? No, I I don't feel too guilty.
01:19:54
It's It's It'll It'll go so quick that
01:19:57
it'll just But by the time it'll be over
01:19:59
before everyone knows it, really. So,
01:20:01
I'll Yeah, I'll definitely enjoy it. I
01:20:03
know that. Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:04
>> You You Yeah. What will your routine be?
01:20:06
you won't be listening to the rock at
01:20:08
all or
01:20:09
>> I'd probably like I I just want to sleep
01:20:12
in a little bit. Um as you would if
01:20:15
you've been getting up at 4:30 if you
01:20:16
don't have to. So it'll still be on.
01:20:19
Yeah. I'll have to I know the boss Leon
01:20:21
said don't just stay at home and do
01:20:23
nothing and watch Netflix. You'll have
01:20:24
to try and do something with your life.
01:20:26
So he's right. Um but my daughter's a
01:20:29
flight attendant as I've said so there's
01:20:31
a chance I could go I might go to Las
01:20:32
Vegas with her um when she's on a trip.
01:20:35
Um, so yeah, we've got a place up north,
01:20:37
so I'll spend a bit of time up there and
01:20:40
do stuff that doesn't get done during
01:20:43
the week.
01:20:44
>> Jobs jobs, which which when it's your
01:20:46
own place, it's a little bit I don't
01:20:47
mind. It'd be nice to like just be able
01:20:49
to do it and and see what what does a
01:20:52
Monday or a Tuesday morning at 9:30 feel
01:20:54
like when you're not having to work. Um,
01:20:56
so yeah, I've got a few plans. I'll go
01:20:59
away a bit and um do a few things and um
01:21:03
yeah, just um I've been told I'll have
01:21:05
to cook dinner every night [laughter]
01:21:07
now. So,
01:21:09
>> can you cook? Do you like cooking?
01:21:10
>> No, I can cook. I to No, some would say
01:21:12
no.
01:21:13
>> Um enough to get away with. Yeah, I'm
01:21:15
not a great cook. I don't particularly
01:21:17
like it, but I Yeah, I I I I do it.
01:21:20
Absolutely. Yeah. Off the recipe.
01:21:21
>> And And you you seem to have you've
01:21:23
mentioned your daughters a couple of
01:21:24
times. You seem to have like a really
01:21:25
good relationship with them. You must be
01:21:27
really proud of I am. I am because also
01:21:29
too I Okay, you work in the mornings but
01:21:31
you're always home in the aros. So when
01:21:33
the whole their whole lives it was
01:21:36
always cuz lease um my wife then was a
01:21:39
school teacher. Now she's a deputy
01:21:40
principal. So she was always it was
01:21:42
always me in the afternoons. That's how
01:21:44
it worked. Her in the mornings, me and
01:21:45
the aros. So I got to spend probably
01:21:48
more time than most dads with their
01:21:49
daughters. Um, I'd pick them up from
01:21:52
school, take them to whatever they did,
01:21:54
dance. Did a lot I did a lot of dance
01:21:56
growing up and and stuff like that and
01:21:57
then homework and dinner and everything.
01:22:00
So, yeah, I I have spent a lot of time
01:22:02
Yeah, it's been great. You know, we get
01:22:04
on
01:22:04
>> we get on really well and still do.
01:22:07
Olivia is um she's just gone flatting
01:22:09
this year, but she was pretty much at
01:22:11
home uh before then, so she's she loves
01:22:14
life. She's a flight attendant.
01:22:16
>> Yeah. When did the transition h happen
01:22:18
from like being their dad to being their
01:22:20
mate?
01:22:21
>> Was there is there a noticeable time?
01:22:22
>> Yeah, I think Yeah, Liv. Yeah, probably.
01:22:26
Well, Liv, it was weird actually. Liv um
01:22:29
started working at Media Works a few
01:22:31
years ago. She was there about a year uh
01:22:34
in like sales support and stuff. So,
01:22:36
that was kind of like Yeah. became sort
01:22:39
of like your mate then really working in
01:22:41
the same building. That was uh and that
01:22:43
was quite weird. Um, and
01:22:45
>> that must have been quite quite cool for
01:22:48
for you having your daughter seeing you
01:22:50
in your natural habitat.
01:22:51
>> It was it was I I loved it. It was cool.
01:22:53
Yeah, I I was It was Yeah, she just
01:22:56
applied for this job and I didn't really
01:22:58
even know.
01:23:00
>> She said, "I'm going for a job at Media
01:23:02
Works." And then there she got it. And
01:23:03
so she was there about a year and then
01:23:05
she went to NZME and um just literally
01:23:08
worked with everyone at Media Works that
01:23:10
used to work that Media Works now works
01:23:11
at NZME. And then uh then she was um now
01:23:14
she's a flight attendant. So but yeah,
01:23:16
now Grace, Grace, my youngest, is 20.
01:23:18
She's doing a AUT Bachelor of
01:23:21
Communications. Um so she's got like a
01:23:24
month left.
01:23:25
>> So she's been working at Media Works
01:23:26
too, like doing promos and stuff. So
01:23:28
>> um she might end up there yet, which is
01:23:31
uh
01:23:32
>> both of them. Yeah.
01:23:34
>> Well, yeah. So I I don't know if Grace
01:23:36
will end up doing radio, but I think
01:23:38
that's where she might start if promos
01:23:40
or something. Yeah.
01:23:41
>> Yeah. You must be proud of that. The
01:23:44
fact that they're adults now and they
01:23:45
they still they still want to hang out
01:23:46
with you.
01:23:47
>> Yeah. No, they they live maybe more than
01:23:49
Grace. [laughter]
01:23:52
>> Yeah. No, I am I am proud.
01:23:54
>> Why doesn't Grace want to hang out with
01:23:56
you?
01:23:56
>> I think I don't know. [laughter]
01:23:59
>> Personality. No, if she watches this, I
01:24:02
do. [laughter] She does. Yeah. Not
01:24:05
maybe. I don't know. They're just
01:24:06
different personalities. Uh, you know,
01:24:09
Liv's um really you I never she's really
01:24:13
found her feet live as a flight
01:24:15
attendant.
01:24:16
>> Couldn't be happier. And Grace is just
01:24:18
starting, you know, this year. She's 20,
01:24:22
so she's um she's just starting to
01:24:24
>> as far as um I I mean, I don't know what
01:24:27
she's going to do, but yeah. So, she's
01:24:28
sort of starting out on that journey
01:24:30
now. So, yeah. Yeah. No, I'm proud of
01:24:31
them both. They've done very well.
01:24:33
>> Yeah. Couldn't be prouder.
01:24:35
>> Amazing. It must say a lot about you as
01:24:37
a person like you've managed to keep
01:24:38
this career together for three decades.
01:24:39
You've kept your marriage together. You
01:24:41
got a great relationship with your kids.
01:24:43
>> What are the um apart from the um the
01:24:45
mental health dips that you talked about
01:24:47
before? Like any other sort of
01:24:48
adversities,
01:24:49
>> how's your health been?
01:24:51
>> Uh physical health, you
01:24:54
>> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:24:55
Yeah. I I I probably I do need to go to
01:24:57
the Yeah, I probably need to to gym more
01:25:00
than I do. My wife's very good at that,
01:25:02
so I probably need to exercise more. Um,
01:25:06
all in all, it's been all right. Yeah.
01:25:07
Yeah. I mean, I don't Yeah, I touch
01:25:09
wood, Dom. Um, bizarrely this year, two
01:25:13
of my teeth have fallen out. [laughter]
01:25:15
>> What do you mean?
01:25:16
>> So, the most bizarre I thing I I don't
01:25:19
know if I I had a root canal. This is
01:25:23
Yeah, this is not great. Root canal and
01:25:25
that was torture in in March. So, I got
01:25:28
that sorted. That was awful. And then
01:25:30
like straight after a month later, I had
01:25:34
another one and I said, "I'm not going
01:25:36
through a root canal again. Just pull it
01:25:37
out." So he pulled that out and then I
01:25:39
was driving home and another one just
01:25:41
literally fell out. [laughter]
01:25:43
So my health I don't know. I don't know
01:25:46
about that. I'm I'm a little bit worried
01:25:47
that I've kind of lost two teeth and had
01:25:49
a root canal in the same year. Um that's
01:25:52
that's a bit of a worry. My teeth have
01:25:53
never been great. So yeah, that's um I'm
01:25:56
a little bit concerned about what's
01:25:57
going on there. Um, but I mean, yeah,
01:25:58
I've had regular health checks, so um,
01:26:00
so far. Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:02
>> You just seem like a like a a meat and
01:26:04
two veg kind of guy. Like just
01:26:06
[laughter]
01:26:07
>> Yeah. I like
01:26:08
>> just really easygoing, never too high,
01:26:10
never too low.
01:26:11
>> Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah.
01:26:13
My blood pressure was high um a few
01:26:15
years ago. Uh, but I've got that down a
01:26:17
bit. Um, talking like Bryce when he was
01:26:20
doing his bowling, one of the um
01:26:21
fundraisers, Bryce was had been I think
01:26:23
awake at that point for 30 or 40 hours
01:26:26
and the the St. John's turn up and I was
01:26:28
just I was literally there just doing
01:26:30
the show and um they took Bryce Bryce's
01:26:33
blood pressure and mine and and mine was
01:26:35
like 20 times worse than his and he'd
01:26:37
been awake [laughter] for 40 hours and I
01:26:39
they were like what have you been doing?
01:26:42
I said I've just been here like it was
01:26:43
just like so hyped and just you know
01:26:46
[laughter]
01:26:46
doing an OB and they were like man they
01:26:48
were yours your blood pressure is so
01:26:50
high you should literally you literally
01:26:52
should be going to hospital now it's it
01:26:54
was off the charts high. I think I was
01:26:56
just stressed.
01:26:57
>> Um, it was a bit high. It's come down.
01:26:59
It's come down now, though. So, yeah,
01:27:01
that's that's good. Yeah.
01:27:02
>> Oh, hey, one thing that we haven't
01:27:04
talked about is um
01:27:06
>> the uh Dance with the Stars 2018.
01:27:08
>> Yeah, 2018.
01:27:09
>> Is that like how do you reflect on that?
01:27:10
Is that like a career highlight?
01:27:12
>> Uh, it was hard. It was I'm glad I said
01:27:14
yes. It was hard. It was very hard. It
01:27:16
just It broke me. Uh, but yeah, I think
01:27:18
it is a career one of the career
01:27:19
highlights. I'm glad I did it. Um,
01:27:21
because now it doesn't exist. The show
01:27:22
doesn't exist anymore. So, and I was
01:27:24
always a little bit envious of um
01:27:26
previous series cuz there were quite a
01:27:28
few series before that um where I, you
01:27:32
know, like JJ got to do it and stuff and
01:27:34
um and others I knew had had done it and
01:27:37
I was a little bit envious that I had
01:27:39
never been asked and then I got asked
01:27:41
and I was like, "Yeah, I'll have to say
01:27:44
yes." You don't know what you're getting
01:27:46
yourself in for though. I don't know if
01:27:47
you'd if you knew what you're getting
01:27:49
yourself in for, would you do it? I
01:27:50
don't know.
01:27:50
>> In terms of what? just training um and
01:27:54
everything that goes with that
01:27:56
>> and going from zero dancing ability to
01:27:58
have to dance live on TV. Yeah, it's
01:28:00
good for you in a lot of ways. It's good
01:28:02
for your confidence and it's um it's
01:28:04
good for learning. Um yeah, learns a
01:28:08
lot. Meet a lot of great people. Uh it's
01:28:10
it's fun. It's it's fun, terrifying,
01:28:14
awful. You're always sore. You're always
01:28:16
training. It's stressful. But yeah, but
01:28:19
there's not there's there's not many
01:28:21
better I've never had many better
01:28:23
feelings in my life than doing it live.
01:28:27
You're doing the dance and
01:28:29
not falling. Well, actually, I did fall
01:28:31
over. I wasn't I [laughter] hated that
01:28:32
one. Um Carolyn was was she was a great
01:28:35
teacher. Um and but doing like I'll
01:28:39
never forget the feeling of the first
01:28:41
dance. How ner like I was so terrified.
01:28:45
Pure terror doing that. nearly crying
01:28:48
going oh my oh my god and then doing
01:28:51
that and doing it all right the feeling
01:28:54
is is
01:28:56
I don't get many there hasn't been many
01:28:57
better feelings than that the adrenaline
01:28:59
it's an adrenaline ride
01:29:00
>> e and then
01:29:02
>> it's up and down up and down yeah
01:29:04
>> and then you just click into muscle
01:29:05
memory when it's live or
01:29:06
>> it's funny you do yeah most yeah you do
01:29:09
yeah if you've trained if you've trained
01:29:11
enough you do uh but then I did make
01:29:13
throughout this throughout my dances I
01:29:15
made a lot of mistakes that's just ner
01:29:16
curves. But yeah, if you can Yeah. If
01:29:18
you train if you trained enough, it'll
01:29:20
just happen
01:29:22
>> and it goes like that. So
01:29:23
>> where where did you finish? Like middle
01:29:25
of the pack.
01:29:26
>> Yeah. Middle of the pack. Yeah. Yeah. So
01:29:27
there was like uh
01:29:29
>> David Seymour's
01:29:30
>> Yeah. So there was six there was six
01:29:31
left I think
01:29:33
>> and there was me and then and the others
01:29:35
and then I got eliminated and then there
01:29:37
were five and they're all into the
01:29:39
semi-finals. Yeah. Yeah. I knew I was
01:29:41
done. I we had this feeling,
01:29:44
>> both of us, Caroline and I had this
01:29:45
feeling that we were going to go that
01:29:47
week and we and we did.
01:29:48
>> But I mean, I was I was done. I was
01:29:50
actually pleased to go. I cuz that next
01:29:52
week would had to have learned two
01:29:54
dancers and I could barely learn one in
01:29:56
a week.
01:29:57
>> You don't even have a week either. It's
01:29:59
a bit of a
01:29:59
>> So Samantha Hayes won that series.
01:30:01
>> She did. Yeah.
01:30:02
>> Yeah. So you were on the same I was
01:30:04
working with um Clint Randall at the
01:30:06
time. He was on the same series. I saw
01:30:07
how
01:30:07
>> he was on the one the year after. Okay.
01:30:10
Yeah,
01:30:10
>> but I saw the work that he put in. It
01:30:12
was um it was just all day every day.
01:30:15
Yeah, they say they [snorts] say it's 12
01:30:18
or 15 hours a week and in your head that
01:30:20
doesn't sound
01:30:21
>> over a week that doesn't sound a lot
01:30:23
>> but man it is. And it's that that's
01:30:25
minimum and yeah and also you don't
01:30:27
really you don't really get as many days
01:30:30
as you think because you might uh say
01:30:33
for example you get a new dance you find
01:30:35
that out on the Monday for example. So
01:30:38
you barely do much on the Monday. It's a
01:30:41
rush. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
01:30:42
Friday, Saturday you've got to know it.
01:30:45
Saturday you do like a dress rehearsal
01:30:47
sort of thing. So you don't really get
01:30:49
to have that long to do it. And Sunday
01:30:52
you just hope for the best. [laughter]
01:30:54
You hope that it's going to work and
01:30:56
sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
01:30:58
It's amazing what Yeah. It's amazing
01:31:00
what happens. Yeah. What you can
01:31:02
actually do. Yeah. You you mentioned
01:31:04
before that um before your first dance
01:31:06
you were almost cried. Are you a very
01:31:08
emotional person?
01:31:09
>> I can I can be.
01:31:11
>> When did you last cry?
01:31:12
>> Um
01:31:14
I pro last cried uh I had some well I
01:31:19
had some good news and bad news. I had
01:31:21
some good news that my so say like so
01:31:24
when when Olivia
01:31:26
because Olivia was Yeah. Olivia got into
01:31:29
Quantis and um
01:31:33
and she'd had all these interviews and
01:31:35
or two actually. So we were like really
01:31:39
hoping that she'd get this job and we
01:31:40
knew kind of knew what it would what it
01:31:42
meant to her and yeah and so she she
01:31:45
came home and and and was crying and had
01:31:48
just found out that she had got into uh
01:31:50
Quantis to flight flight flight school a
01:31:53
couple of years ago and we were so I was
01:31:54
I was crying then I was so happy. Yeah.
01:31:57
How could a gratitude tears?
01:31:58
>> Yeah. And then my um my wife had applied
01:32:02
for this job as a deputy principal. This
01:32:05
was um this year and um and she got that
01:32:09
and I I just broke down crying.
01:32:12
>> I was so happy for her.
01:32:15
>> Yeah. That she got that. Um that was
01:32:18
good times. Good times. Good times. And
01:32:20
then uh I was watching the Boy Zone
01:32:22
documentary on TV [laughter]
01:32:24
on TV and Zed and um and one of them
01:32:27
died. I I had no idea he died and I was
01:32:31
like balling. Yeah.
01:32:33
>> But I didn't Yeah. So I didn't I didn't
01:32:36
know there was this doco on them.
01:32:38
>> Yeah.
01:32:38
>> You you're getting um you're getting
01:32:40
emotional now reflecting on your
01:32:42
family's um
01:32:44
>> Yeah.
01:32:44
>> Oh, there was also Yeah. There was also
01:32:46
a time um not that long. Well,
01:32:48
>> yeah. Liv had um Liv had was in Abu
01:32:53
Dhabi I believe I think and had found
01:32:58
out that she'd passed her
01:33:01
she she'd passed she so she was a
01:33:04
fullyfledged flight attendant. So yeah
01:33:06
and then she'd text us and that was yeah
01:33:08
we
01:33:09
>> yeah that was um that was pretty good.
01:33:11
>> Yeah. Um, sad. Yeah, sad. Yeah. Um,
01:33:14
yeah, I think that was Yeah, that was
01:33:16
um, happy tears, sad tears. Yeah. Yeah.
01:33:19
Some things funnally strangely will set
01:33:21
you off on TV if you're watching
01:33:22
[laughter] something for the for
01:33:24
whatever reason. I don't never really
01:33:26
knew anything about Boy and I was
01:33:27
watching this documentary with my wife,
01:33:30
you know, Ron and Katon and all that
01:33:31
those guy Ron and Keing, those guys and
01:33:33
and I was like, one of them I this one
01:33:35
of them died have a heart attack in his
01:33:37
30s. It was so sad. [laughter] Um,
01:33:40
>> did you talk about that on the air? No,
01:33:45
but we've had very sad stories. We've
01:33:47
had sad stories on air when um
01:33:51
>> I've been welling up. Yeah. Like when
01:33:52
that time Mike King came in, we were all
01:33:54
crying.
01:33:55
>> Yeah. When he broke down and we were all
01:33:56
crying as well and that was that was
01:33:58
Yeah. sad. It's um it can be quite it's
01:34:01
very good. It can be good can be good
01:34:02
for you actually.
01:34:03
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:34:04
>> Do you need a tissue? There's a tissue
01:34:05
there. Um Oh, no. It's I think it says a
01:34:07
lot about your character like the the
01:34:09
the things that that you reflect on
01:34:11
crying about that make you cry now are
01:34:13
happy occasions for your family for the
01:34:15
>> two. Yeah. I mean some examples I just
01:34:17
remember. Yeah. They weren't that long
01:34:19
ago are there? No. No. Yeah. Um
01:34:21
>> so there's a lot a lot more to you than
01:34:23
what people that even listen to your
01:34:24
show um may sort of think or know about
01:34:27
you.
01:34:27
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:34:28
>> What are the what are what do you think
01:34:30
the best and worst things about aging
01:34:31
are?
01:34:32
>> Uh [snorts] teeth falling out.
01:34:34
>> That's not good. Honestly, that's not
01:34:36
good. Now, I'm a little bit worried
01:34:37
about that. I don't know why they just
01:34:38
decided to my teeth decided to fall out.
01:34:40
Um, you uh I always find I'm a little
01:34:43
bit Oh, what's what's some of the worst
01:34:45
things? You um you're always sore. Uh I
01:34:47
find [laughter]
01:34:51
you make noises sitting down when you
01:34:54
[laughter]
01:34:55
find
01:34:57
>> um Yeah. Yeah. You become a bit of a
01:34:59
nanner. Um
01:35:00
>> kind of like I feel like I need a bit
01:35:02
more sleep than I used to. Um, so I'm
01:35:04
always in bed like 8:30. Uh, is that a
01:35:06
bad thing? I don't know.
01:35:08
>> Um, but yeah, it's always just trying to
01:35:10
look just you have to try you just have
01:35:12
to look after yourself a lot more than
01:35:13
you used to.
01:35:14
>> Um,
01:35:16
>> big nights are kind of aren't a thing
01:35:18
anymore.
01:35:19
>> Um, [snorts] good things you you just
01:35:22
don't care as much about things is
01:35:23
you've let a lot go. I don't care
01:35:25
without sounding uh negative, you just
01:35:28
don't care about a lot of things. You've
01:35:29
stuff you've been through in your life.
01:35:31
So, you've sort of been there, done that
01:35:32
in a lot of ways, and so you don't you
01:35:34
don't sort of seem to care as much as uh
01:35:36
you used to.
01:35:37
>> Yeah. You let a lot of stuff go. I've
01:35:39
learned to let a lot of stuff go. Yeah.
01:35:41
Well, you're just a little bit more
01:35:42
free, I feel. Yeah.
01:35:43
>> It's a good space to be playing,
01:35:46
>> Yeah. I think so.
01:35:48
>> Yeah. It's just a lot of stresses. I
01:35:50
used to stress about things. It's like I
01:35:52
don't really worry too much about it.
01:35:53
Just doesn't matter.
01:35:54
>> Just doesn't matter.
01:35:55
>> Well, it's like we were talking about
01:35:56
before, anyone that's like, "Oh, all Ro
01:35:58
does is laugh." Doesn't matter. No,
01:36:01
doesn't matter.
01:36:02
>> Yeah, doesn't matter.
01:36:03
>> You know your career. You know what you
01:36:04
bring. Everyone knows what you bring.
01:36:06
>> Yeah. And it's such a small
01:36:07
>> This is New Zealand is such a small
01:36:10
place, you know,
01:36:11
>> and so what are you what was I stressing
01:36:13
about? What was I stressing about survey
01:36:15
results for? Um, you know, I went to
01:36:17
Europe for God's sake. I mean, that's so
01:36:19
big and vast and and old
01:36:21
>> old and everyone's probably has no idea
01:36:24
about New Zealand and everyone just gets
01:36:26
on with their lives and doesn't even
01:36:27
know what's going on in New Zealand,
01:36:29
>> let alone what's going on in radio in
01:36:31
New Zealand. So, I mean, sure, you've
01:36:33
got to care, but
01:36:34
>> I used to I just Yeah, I I was just I
01:36:36
used to worry too much about it and I I
01:36:38
don't as much now. So, that's that's a
01:36:41
good thing. Yeah.
01:36:42
>> What do you think your best and worst
01:36:43
habits are?
01:36:46
probably that like worst habits probably
01:36:49
um catastrophizing a lot of things. So
01:36:51
it was yeah
01:36:52
>> like overinking
01:36:53
>> overthinking a little things little
01:36:55
things um worrying a little about things
01:36:58
that probably didn't need worrying
01:36:59
about. Um
01:37:01
[sighs]
01:37:02
>> good habits. Um oh I'm always fairly I'm
01:37:07
always quite a nice happy guy I think.
01:37:09
Yeah.
01:37:10
>> Yeah. I think I'm I think I'm quite a
01:37:11
nice person to be around.
01:37:13
>> Well no no one no one would ever say
01:37:15
Roger's an [ __ ]
01:37:16
>> No no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm I'm
01:37:19
just me. M yeah, I'm relatively happy in
01:37:22
my own skin. I'm happy in my own skin.
01:37:24
Yeah, that comes with age though. But
01:37:26
yeah. Yeah, I don't think I'm Yeah, I
01:37:28
think it's uh
01:37:29
>> Yeah, I think that would be it.
01:37:30
>> What about fears? What are you most
01:37:32
afraid of?
01:37:34
>> From an animal point of view, I'm scared
01:37:36
of rats and they brought somebody to the
01:37:40
studio a while ago and I dropped an
01:37:42
Fbomb on air. I was so pissed off with
01:37:44
them. [laughter]
01:37:46
Don't like them. What else do I fear? I
01:37:48
hate heights. Um, things get gets worse
01:37:51
as I get older, actually.
01:37:53
>> And I don't know now. I I I'm not a fan
01:37:56
of like small spaces now. I I didn't
01:38:00
used to have a problem with that, but
01:38:01
the thought of that now, like, nah, that
01:38:03
that that's not me. That's not me
01:38:05
anymore.
01:38:06
>> Um, general fears. Um,
01:38:10
[snorts]
01:38:12
I mean, yeah, I I don't have any I don't
01:38:14
lie awake at night worrying about
01:38:18
any great fear. [snorts] Um,
01:38:21
>> I probably more worry about my kids
01:38:23
actually. You know, I just hope that
01:38:24
they're going to be okay. And I know and
01:38:26
that's why I think
01:38:28
>> I think you know they're getting older.
01:38:30
So, um, that is get that that gets
01:38:33
easier. It's quite stressful having
01:38:35
teenage daughters. Mhm.
01:38:36
>> That's I used to worry a lot
01:38:38
>> really. I'm way
01:38:39
>> just there just so many things that can,
01:38:41
you know,
01:38:42
>> just them going to parties and them
01:38:44
driving and then hopefully saying,
01:38:47
[clears throat]
01:38:48
>> you know, them telling me that they're
01:38:49
going to be there and are they actually
01:38:51
going there or are they going are they
01:38:52
going somewhere else or are they getting
01:38:55
bullied? Are they hooking up with the
01:38:57
wrong people? And yeah, just it's a
01:39:00
minefield. Yeah, but that was Yeah, it's
01:39:02
stress that teenage girls are stressful
01:39:05
as as two parents. It's um it's a
01:39:07
stressful time.
01:39:08
>> Yeah,
01:39:08
>> it's a lot. And you want to be there for
01:39:09
them and you just can't be.
01:39:11
>> No. No. And they don't Sometimes they
01:39:12
don't want you to be there, you know.
01:39:13
>> And as we established, you're you're
01:39:15
like a control freak by nature and you
01:39:17
just can't.
01:39:17
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah, I know. You've
01:39:19
just got to And it's like Lisa's like,
01:39:21
you know, [snorts]
01:39:21
um having had has been a teenage girl,
01:39:26
so she's probably a bit more
01:39:27
understanding than I was. Um, yeah, it's
01:39:30
it's a stressful time. They're going
01:39:31
through a lot. They're going through
01:39:32
school. They're going through,
01:39:34
>> you know, exams, boyfriends, everything,
01:39:37
you know. It's Yeah, I found that quite
01:39:39
quite stressful. Yeah. But, um, I you
01:39:41
worry so much about them
01:39:43
>> when they're going through those years.
01:39:44
you know, it's kind of like easier when
01:39:47
they're younger, you know, you'll just
01:39:50
they'll do what you say, [laughter] you
01:39:52
know,
01:39:53
>> and now they get to like 15, 16 and
01:39:55
they're like out
01:39:57
>> and they don't listen to you and you
01:39:59
know, they don't want to listen to you
01:40:00
and um but you get navigating that is is
01:40:03
hard. So that was that was quite
01:40:05
stressful. I used to worry about them a
01:40:06
lot. Yeah.
01:40:07
>> Yeah.
01:40:07
>> But you're through that and you got a
01:40:08
great relationship with them now, which
01:40:09
is wonderful.
01:40:10
>> Through that. Yeah. Through that. Do you
01:40:12
are you much of a goal setter or a
01:40:13
planner?
01:40:15
>> No, I never I never thought, oh, I want
01:40:18
to be here or in 10 years or here in
01:40:20
five. No. No. I always just wanted to
01:40:24
keep going on the rock. That was kind of
01:40:28
my goal. My goal was always to I always
01:40:30
still I mean I love to
01:40:32
>> you know my goal was to rate I loved you
01:40:34
know
01:40:35
>> success. Yeah, that's that's that's my
01:40:37
goal. But
01:40:38
>> um you just need to keep on doing that
01:40:40
every day. um to to to to achieve that.
01:40:43
But
01:40:45
>> I never had I never had like a 5year
01:40:47
goal or or anything like that. No, no,
01:40:49
there's never I never thought, oh, I
01:40:51
want to do this or that's what I want to
01:40:53
do in 5 10 years time. But I mean,
01:40:56
there's always been goals,
01:40:58
>> you know, like stuff like, you know,
01:41:02
>> yeah,
01:41:02
>> we wanted to buy we wanted to buy a
01:41:03
batch, you know, and magnify and that's
01:41:06
we did. those goals more life goals more
01:41:09
than work goals. Yeah. Yeah.
01:41:12
>> What about um Yeah. In terms of what's
01:41:14
next? Is it like is there anything that
01:41:15
you you'd love to do like in terms of
01:41:17
like a in your radio career or in
01:41:20
broadcast media or
01:41:22
>> I'd like I think I've got time now. I'd
01:41:24
like to attempt to write a book or have
01:41:26
a think about writing a book whether
01:41:27
it's a book about my life or book based
01:41:30
on my life or something. I've been doing
01:41:32
it long enough I could you know whether
01:41:34
I do that. Um, yeah, I know you've done
01:41:36
it. So, uh, so yeah, that that I I I
01:41:40
wouldn't mind that that doesn't I
01:41:41
wouldn't mind doing that. Um,
01:41:44
whether I Yeah, I mean, I'm obviously
01:41:46
back at doing the show next year, doing
01:41:47
breakfast next year on the Rumble. So,
01:41:49
uh, I've got one more I got one more
01:41:51
year, but that's, uh,
01:41:52
>> one more year on your current contract
01:41:54
cycle.
01:41:54
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And
01:41:56
so, we'll have a look at things um, next
01:41:59
next year. Yeah. Uh, but I mean I' I'd
01:42:01
love to if if I stopped doing mornings
01:42:04
breakfast. Um, I I wouldn't want to walk
01:42:07
away from radio. I'd like hopefully
01:42:09
there'd be something
01:42:11
>> I could another show I could do uh on
01:42:13
another station or
01:42:15
>> or probably it' be another station I
01:42:17
say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:42:19
>> My prediction is you you get to decide.
01:42:21
You get to end on your own terms
01:42:23
whenever that may be.
01:42:24
>> Yeah.
01:42:24
>> Wouldn't that be sweet? It would be the
01:42:26
only way for you to go out after three
01:42:27
decades.
01:42:28
>> Oh, look. Yeah. I mean, I don't take
01:42:30
anything for granted, especially now.
01:42:32
So, I'm certainly not going to demand
01:42:34
anything. But, I mean, yeah, if I
01:42:36
>> I mean, if I was to do an afternoon show
01:42:38
that I'd be pretty happy. Yeah. With
01:42:40
that, I' I wouldn't mind that at all.
01:42:42
It' be a nice way to sort of
01:42:44
>> finish your career.
01:42:45
>> You don't have to get up early anymore,
01:42:48
which Yeah.
01:42:49
>> Which I' probably can't keep on doing
01:42:52
that forever. No,
01:42:53
>> it's it's a lot, eh?
01:42:55
>> Yeah, it's early.
01:42:56
>> You must be You must be a wreck on
01:42:57
Fridays.
01:42:58
>> I am. Yeah, I am. That's one of the
01:43:00
things worst thing about getting old.
01:43:01
Like, yeah, you're a wreck. I'm a wreck.
01:43:03
>> Do you have like a dad nap? You sit down
01:43:05
in front of the TV. [laughter]
01:43:08
>> You You're sort of chipping into it now.
01:43:11
[laughter]
01:43:16
>> You know, you know, we My wife and I
01:43:18
shocking. Yeah. We get to Fridays and
01:43:21
we're done.
01:43:22
>> Yeah. It's like if we have to go out or
01:43:24
something, it's like
01:43:26
>> Yeah. [laughter]
01:43:28
>> Yeah. No, no, that's just me. Yeah.
01:43:29
>> Yeah. Oh, no. No. I think it's it's it's
01:43:31
aging, but also early starts. Like if
01:43:33
you see any any dairy farmer or anyone
01:43:35
that has an early morning job
01:43:37
>> on Friday afternoon, by the end of the
01:43:39
week, they'll be they'll be asleep in
01:43:40
front of the TV.
01:43:41
>> Yeah. And look, I'm I'm well aware
01:43:43
there's people who get up just as early
01:43:45
as me or earlier and work way longer and
01:43:47
probably aren't. So, yeah, I know. I
01:43:49
appreciate that. I just um that's just
01:43:51
me. Yeah. That's how I feel. Yeah. Done
01:43:54
by Fridays. Absolutely. Yeah. If if um
01:43:58
Lisa and your daughters were in the next
01:44:00
room Yeah. Um and you couldn't hear what
01:44:02
they were saying, what three words would
01:44:04
you like them to use to describe you as
01:44:06
a man?
01:44:06
>> They would say uh that I Oh jeez. Um
01:44:10
they would say that I probably am a
01:44:12
quite a good listener to them, I think.
01:44:14
I don't know. All Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm
01:44:16
caring. I'm a good listener. Um,
01:44:20
they say nice things about me on air
01:44:22
when uh whenever Ryan rings them for a
01:44:25
message and stuff for my birthday or
01:44:26
whatever. They've said some beautiful
01:44:27
things about [laughter] me, which I
01:44:29
appreciate. They left a lovely message
01:44:31
for me on Father's Day that they played
01:44:33
out on air. So, um, now they said, yeah,
01:44:36
kind, um, caring, um, good listener and,
01:44:42
um, they feel like they can tell me most
01:44:45
things. Um, that that, yeah, I'm not,
01:44:47
uh, they probably feel like they can
01:44:49
share stuff with me, which, uh, yeah, I
01:44:53
think they can. Yeah. Um,
01:44:55
>> [ __ ] that's a special relationship, eh?
01:44:57
>> It's Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah,
01:44:58
that is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.
01:45:00
Touchwood. It is um Yeah, it is. It is
01:45:02
pretty close. Yeah, it is. It is close.
01:45:05
Um, you least Oh, what would Le say? Uh,
01:45:08
hopefully she'd say good things about
01:45:10
me. [laughter]
01:45:16
[laughter]
01:45:17
No, she would. No, she she would. Yeah.
01:45:19
Yeah. No, she Yeah. Yeah.
01:45:22
>> No, she said the other day, I've lost my
01:45:24
spark a bit. So, really? Yeah. Yeah. And
01:45:26
she's probably right.
01:45:27
>> [ __ ] Did that break your heart?
01:45:28
>> No, I was probably agreed with her,
01:45:30
actually. Yeah. Yeah.
01:45:31
>> Did she elaborate? What did she think?
01:45:33
>> Oh, I just think I need a I just think I
01:45:34
need a break. Yeah.
01:45:36
>> Yeah. It's come here. It's come at the
01:45:38
right time.
01:45:39
>> Yeah.
01:45:40
>> It's a hard thing to hear, but it's a
01:45:41
probably a good thing to hear. I mean,
01:45:43
[ __ ] she's been your day one.
01:45:44
>> Oh, look. I Yeah, I appreciate you know
01:45:46
better than
01:45:46
>> Oh, she's I mean, she's just she's
01:45:48
awesome with that. Yeah. Um and her
01:45:50
job's hard, so you know, to be a sort of
01:45:52
take some of my problems on
01:45:54
>> sometimes. Um no, she no, she she she
01:45:57
notices these things, but um yeah. Oh,
01:46:00
look, the break it's just going to be
01:46:01
it's come at the right time and I
01:46:03
appreciate it and um
01:46:05
>> yeah, just it'll just be nice just to
01:46:07
kick back for a bit. Yeah. Sort of uh
01:46:09
feel a bit freer.
01:46:10
>> So, it's welld deserved.
01:46:12
>> How how we've been going for an hour 46.
01:46:14
How how how do you find this? Are you
01:46:16
being being um like a control freak by
01:46:18
nature and also being like a radio guy
01:46:20
who's the anchor of your show?
01:46:22
>> Are you um Yeah. How do you feel being
01:46:24
on the the receiving end?
01:46:25
>> I I had to listen to a few of these with
01:46:27
you and with other guests. Um, I I hope
01:46:30
it's been all right. I I just I'm just
01:46:32
uh happy to answer your questions
01:46:33
really. I Yeah, I'm just sort of trying
01:46:35
to be honest and and uh I don't know. I
01:46:38
don't mind. No, I don't mind. No, no, I
01:46:41
[laughter] don't know if I want to do
01:46:42
one every day.
01:46:44
But no, no, it's been No, it's been
01:46:46
good. It's been It's been good. We We
01:46:48
We've known each other for a long time,
01:46:49
so it's not like you're not a stranger
01:46:51
to me. No. And we have had similar
01:46:53
careers as well. So you I mean I you can
01:46:55
probably appreciate
01:46:57
>> some of the stuff I say and the fact
01:46:58
that you did breakfast for a long time
01:47:00
too. So you kind of know what what goes
01:47:01
on and the ins and outs and the ups and
01:47:04
downs and everything. So you probably
01:47:05
you probably appreciate it as well.
01:47:06
>> Yeah, I get it.
01:47:07
>> You get it. You've done it. Yeah,
01:47:09
>> I get it.
01:47:10
>> Yeah.
01:47:10
>> Are you proud of yourself?
01:47:13
>> Yeah, largely. Yeah. Yeah. At times no.
01:47:16
But I mean I if I had have quitted in 20
01:47:20
if I had have sort of finished like tw
01:47:22
sort of 20 years I probably would have
01:47:24
felt there would have been some sort of
01:47:26
um unfinished business like if I had to
01:47:29
quit
01:47:30
>> 12 years ago or whatever um or what you
01:47:33
know finished but no I I got to 30
01:47:38
whatever 30 years breakfast
01:47:41
yes last year. Yeah. So 31 years now.
01:47:43
So, no, I Yeah, I've done it the best,
01:47:46
you know. I've had a great I've had a
01:47:48
great It's been It's been great. I mean,
01:47:50
it's a great job. Um, it's gone pretty
01:47:53
quick. It really has.
01:47:54
>> [ __ ] It does, though.
01:47:56
>> Yes. Yes. It sounds nuts that it's 31
01:47:59
years on Breakfast, but it's gone. It
01:48:01
sounds like a cliche. It really sounds
01:48:04
like a cliche, but it has, it does go so
01:48:06
quick, and it's already,
01:48:08
>> you know, October now.
01:48:09
>> This year's gone so quick and so it has
01:48:11
gone quick, but yeah. Yeah. I mean,
01:48:13
yeah. I mean, it's um some great things
01:48:16
have happened and it's it's been Yeah. I
01:48:18
I can look I could look back and now go,
01:48:21
"Yeah, um what more could I have done?"
01:48:24
You know, I've certainly I've
01:48:27
>> tried. Yeah. Tried.
01:48:28
>> You've done your best.
01:48:29
>> Done. I can honestly say that. Yeah.
01:48:31
Done my best. Yeah. Yeah.
01:48:33
>> Will will you be okay when you're no
01:48:34
longer Raj from The Rock?
01:48:36
>> My wife says no. Um she reckons no. It's
01:48:41
a big part of your identity. It's over
01:48:43
half your life.
01:48:44
>> Yeah, it's it's it's um it's more Yeah.
01:48:46
Well, more than half. Um
01:48:49
>> No, I mean it's not over you, but I I I
01:48:51
think so. I think so. I think so. Yeah.
01:48:54
Yeah. Um whether it is or not.
01:48:57
>> I've I've kind of had to come to terms
01:48:58
with it a little bit
01:49:00
>> and it's not going to be around forever.
01:49:02
Uh, so yeah, I I I think so, but I I
01:49:06
might be clamoring clamoring for it
01:49:09
after a while and missing it and missing
01:49:11
everything about it. But yeah, I think
01:49:13
having done it for so long, I I don't
01:49:16
know. Um, I can't answer that question
01:49:18
cuz I I haven't quit or anything yet, so
01:49:20
I haven't finished up. But whether I do
01:49:22
miss it, I I don't know. This this this
01:49:24
little break will be a test, I think,
01:49:27
>> cuz I've never had this long off. So, um
01:49:29
whether that is a, you know, after a
01:49:32
couple of months I'm bored and miss it
01:49:33
or I'll get 3 months in and go, "No, it
01:49:37
was sweet." Yeah. Didn't didn't miss it
01:49:39
at all. I don't know. I can't answer
01:49:40
that question yet. Yeah.
01:49:42
>> Yeah.
01:49:42
>> Well, I'm really excited to see what the
01:49:44
future brings. No, thank you.
01:49:45
>> It seems like um seems like there's
01:49:46
there's there's two guys, right? There's
01:49:48
Ro from The Rock and there's Roger
01:49:49
Fairley, the husband and the father. Um
01:49:52
and um they're both they're the same
01:49:54
person obviously but um also different
01:49:56
in a lot of ways but both great people
01:49:58
and both have um been very very
01:50:00
successful and uh private life and you
01:50:03
know professional life.
01:50:04
>> No no it's no thank you. It's um yeah no
01:50:07
this it's uh he it's where the journey
01:50:10
has um has to this point got us here. So
01:50:14
yeah no thank thank you. No it's been
01:50:16
great. Enjoy the break mate. Cheers.
01:50:18
>> Thanks so much. Cheers man.
