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Steven Su, welcome to my podcast. Uh,
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thank you for having me, man. I'm
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excited. I'm ready. I'm Oh, man. I'm a
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little bit nervous. I don't know what to
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expect, man. It's good to see the
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[clears throat] myth, the legend.
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>> Oh, sharks. Well, you you you were
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messaging me. You sent me some voice
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notes. Why Why did you want to come on
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the podcast?
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>> Well, because honestly, I feel like
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you're a very in uh influential figure.
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I I honest I honestly believe that you
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are the final boss in podcast. You know
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when you play a video game you always go
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through your level ones, level twos. I
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think you're the final boss. Like if you
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play the game of Street Fighter in Bison
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is at the end. I feel like you're the
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bison. So you know we don't know where I
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go from here then. I don't know who's
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bigger than you in the New Zealand space
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but I think it'll be great. I've been
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quite infused. So you know this is
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awesome. Well I'm I'm not a gamer but
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that feels like a massive compliment. So
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I'm here to I'm here to take that. Thank
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you so much. And I'm just I've only been
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going 3 years, so I'm just getting
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started.
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>> But it's crazy. You say you've been
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going for 3 years, mate. But I've seen
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the names that you've talked to and I've
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seen the people that's come on here. I'm
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just like, mate, it's crazy cuz usually
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podcast would start with, you know,
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guests that not really people know of
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and but you, you're jumping into the,
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you know, the ex- prime minister and,
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you know, actors that, you know, I'm
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just like, mate, how do you even get
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them on, buddy? You know, if you've only
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been here for 3 years. But
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>> hey, I guess that's the pull and the
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reach that you have and that's amazing,
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mate.
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>> Yeah, thank you. Well, one thing I'm um
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trying to do with this podcast is um
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>> just basically get a better
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understanding of um of of how people
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operate. Um so, and with that in mind, I
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just want to speak to as many as many
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people as what I as what I want to. So,
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you reached out to me about coming on.
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Um I looked you up. I'd heard of you
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before and I've heard a podcast you've
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been on, but I didn't know much about
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you. Um I looked you up. You're very
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polarizing. Yeah. very controversial,
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but um I'm not going to shy away from
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that because I figure it's better to
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>> try and you know there's this thing with
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society now. People be like, "You
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shouldn't give this guy a platform." But
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>> I'd rather try and understand like why
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you think the way you do.
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>> 100%. And that's what I love about
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platforms like yours is that you give
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people a a place to speak, you know,
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irregardless whether you agree with
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their rhetoric, but you still give them
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an option to speak. And I think it's
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amazing that um you give that
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opportunity to people because there are
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companies that are saying, "Well, we're
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going to be the arbiter of free speech.
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Who put you as the judge duty that's
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going to got going to say this is good
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and this is bad?" So, it's great that
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you've actually put me here. It's very
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hard for me to try to get onto podcast
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cuz a lot of times, you know, people are
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sponsored by a certain, you know,
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demographic and that demographic does
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not like the stuff that I speak about.
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So, it's I I'm just, you know, thankful
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that you let me be on here.
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>> Yeah. So, who is Steven ST?
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>> Um, a Sourorn boy from West Oakland. Um,
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a lot of times people could say I'm a
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loudmouth online, but I like to see
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myself as a bastion of light and a
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beacon of truth. Um, I'm a person that,
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you know, just happened one day to say,
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"Hey, I feel like I have opinions that I
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want to share with the world." And I
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went on uh TikTok and all of a sudden I
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started complaining about third world
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first world problems. and um and I was
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complaining about stubbing your toe in
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the morning on the bed, but it went from
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there to now complaining about world
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politics and everything like that. So um
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it's been a hard ride for me, but it's
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been a rewarding ride for me. I feel
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like I've taken it the toughest online
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than anybody else. And I feel like
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that's the reason why numbers come. You
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know, a lot of times people when they
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first hear me as I'm the guest on the
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show, they're like, "Stephen Situ, I
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know of him, but I don't know of him."
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And then when they see the numbers,
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they're like, why do people watch this
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guy? And there's something about this
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guy that we want that they want to know.
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So yeah, it's um that's a bit about me,
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man. What why why have you had the
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toughest time online? The toughest time
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online, I think it's because
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[sighs and gasps]
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your freedom freedom of speech I I'm
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just going to say I feel like it just
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doesn't exist. It it it's correlated to
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your um insignificance of how you are
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online. I feel like if you have a
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platform and a thousand of people listen
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to you, I I feel like freedom of speech
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is now hindered. But you know, the
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homeless person on the street or the
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person that has no platform can speak to
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his to the top of his lungs and say the
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most heinous things or say things that
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are deemed controversial and nobody
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would care.
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>> I've had multiple accounts banned. I've
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had bank accounts frozen. I've had so
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many things that people have stopped me.
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I've had the police come to my house for
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welfare checks to see if everything is
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okay cuz my name is getting super
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slandered online. But I understand that.
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>> Oh, welfare checks. Like they thought
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you might self harm.
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>> Yeah, self harm. Yeah, that's correct.
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And it was not me that called the
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police. It was my followers that called
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the police. Random strangers that called
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the police saying, "I've never seen
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someone get dragged online so much as
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this." So, you know, by the grace of
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God, I'm here. But also as well, I feel
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like I thrive on hate and I thrive on um
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you know on opposition. I would say that
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the haters built the empire that I have
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as Steven Settle. Every single hate they
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threw at me was a brick that built the
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empire. So I've I've realized that that
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that's what's made me who I am today. As
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cliche as it may sound.
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>> Were you at risk of harming yourself?
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>> Never. I I the reason why I'm never at
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risk of harming myself because I have a
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very good uh reflection of who I am. I'm
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a man from a lineage of warriors. I am a
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setu and that's who I am. And I feel
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like knowing who you are in the midst of
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struggle is what pushes you through
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life. Um, and that's what sort of got
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into that whole kufflele with me and
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Mark Khan cuz he came on your show the
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other day and he was talking about
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mental health and everything like that.
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And I was telling people to get out of
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your feelings.
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>> And when I say that, I a lot of people
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take it a little bit weird when I say
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just get the [ __ ] out of your feelings,
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you know, man up. And they say, well,
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you don't care about our feelings. Well,
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the reality is, Dom, nobody does.
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You probably could [laughter]
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you probably could find you probably
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could find somebody that will care about
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your feelings for 15 minutes. You
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probably could sit with your wife and
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talk for an hour. But for the 23 hours
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of your life, it it all comes down to
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you whether you're going to be able to
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withstand life. And I give the final
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advice and I like to make the example
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such. So let's say a friend gets his
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heart broken. He goes to his friend and
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he's like, "Ah, she broke up with me,
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brother. I don't know what to do." The
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friend then replies and says, "You're
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amazing. You're awesome. Everything's
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going to be fine." If that friend kept
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calling him every single day, kept going
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to his house every single day. The the
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friend's going to finally just go to the
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final vice and say, "Bro, get the [ __ ]
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out of your feelings, mate.
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>> Get over it." So, for me, I've always
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been that person that just jumps
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straight to level 10 because life is
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level 10.
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Who told you that life for a man was
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supposed to be happy and roses and
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dandelions and candy canes? Tell me any
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point of history where there's ever been
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an amazing moment for men. It wasn't
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amazing for men on the Titanic. It
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wasn't amazing for [laughter] It wasn't
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amazing for men in the Napoleon wars. It
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wasn't amazing for men when they're
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dying in the trenches. It wasn't amazing
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for men in the medieval ages. It's never
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been amazing for men. I truly believe
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that happiness should be for women and
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for children. And men get their
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happiness cuz they live vicariously
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through their woman and their children.
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And people don't like to hear this, but
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this made sense. Literally,
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>> you're sexist. That's anti- man.
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[laughter]
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Well, no, no. The thing is is this. I'm
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not trying to say that women are not
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Look, I believe that every gender is
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amazing. I believe there are certain
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things women can do that are that
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exceeds way better than men. There are
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certain things that men can do that
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exceeds way better than women. I'm not
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saying they're better than each other,
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but I wouldn't drop my my daughter at a
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all day care center full of straight
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male men. You could call that sexist
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perhaps, but I would feel more
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comfortable dropping them off at a all
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daycare center full of women.
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>> Why?
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>> Because I just feel like women have a
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nurturing nurturing attitude. And I feel
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like when you're sick, and I'm sick, we
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would love to have our woman in the bed
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putting our putting ice pack on our
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head. I'm sure you wouldn't want your
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best friend who's a man lying next to
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you saying, "Dom, are you all right, my
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darling?" You know what I mean? There's
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a nurturing element that you get from
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women. And I think this is what I'm
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trying to say about um free um opinions
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is that people find all of this
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controversial. But I'm not trying to say
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women are weak and men are strong. Now,
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I'm saying if I needed bodyguards, yes,
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there are women bodyguards, but science
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have shown that men are more physically
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stronger. They have more testosterone.
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So, I'll just choose men. So, it's not
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about who's better or who's not. There
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are certain genders that operate in a
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better realm than other genders. Would
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you agree?
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>> Yeah. Yeah. I would you you must have
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heard the saying that um like opinions
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opinions are like [ __ ] Everyone
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everyone's got one. And it I do agree
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with that.
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>> And something you said before, the thing
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about um your daycare daycare teachers,
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you you know, you wouldn't want to drop
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your daughter off at a um a daycare full
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of dudes.
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>> Yeah. I think any any guy that's in that
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job like the um you know the numbers are
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so low right of male primary school
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teachers, male preschool teachers. Most
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guys are like I just don't need the
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don't need the drama, don't need the
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stress,
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>> don't need, you know, people accusing me
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of having untowards motives. I think
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anyone any guy that goes into that
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profession is it's commendable because
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they're going against a lot of
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adversity.
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>> And and I'm not saying they aren't. I'm
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not saying they aren't. And that's what
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I really want to get out to the populace
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is I'm not saying they aren't. What I'm
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just saying is personally I would feel
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comfortable with my children at an or
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daycare center full of women. That's
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just me and many other men would believe
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that. Of course there might be amazing
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teachers. I'm not saying they aren't.
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But my preference is I just believe
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women are more nurturing, more caring.
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They you know they women have the
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supernatural power where they can read
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your mind like they know what's up. like
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if something is off, they can hear and
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you know this Dom they could look you
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could walk in the door and not even say
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a word and like what's the what's wrong?
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What happened at work? What happened?
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And this is I would want my children to
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be around that realm.
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>> I wouldn't want them to go in there and
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and and and steal that sort of beauty
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and that genuine from women by putting
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them in an old daycare center full of
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men because I believe I'm an amazing man
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and my kids will always get amazing
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feedback from me. So, I would I would
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like to get there another realm of, you
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know, femininity.
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>> Yeah. Have you got kids?
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>> No, I don't have kids.
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>> Okay. All right. It looks like I have
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kids, man.
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>> I'm losing weight, though, buddy.
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>> Are you Are you in a relationship?
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>> Yes, I am in a relationship. I'm in a
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relationship with a beautiful Mai Wahin
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woman who lives in Australia at the
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moment. Um, you know, obviously with two
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different lifestyles. I'm a social media
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content creator. So, you know, obviously
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I'm all all everywhere and you know, she
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owns a salon and does, you know, hair.
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But, um, yeah, I we stick to traditional
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principles. I'm the man. I'm the head. I
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make the decision. She's the next. She
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guides me. Um, behind every great man
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has always been a stronger woman and a
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greater woman. If you look at Genghask
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Khn, if you look at Napoleon, Julius
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Caesar, Alexander the Great, they always
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had one amazing woman that was always
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with them at all times. So obviously
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back then they had mistresses, but there
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was only one woman that could walk into
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the room of that king and sit down with
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them because I believe that their
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healing power, they that man needs it to
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conquer the world. So yeah, I feel like
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it's great. I believe feminine energy
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and masculine energy creates a beautiful
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beautiful harmony symphony. It's
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amazing. M there's there there's a lot
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to talk about including um you took some
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footage in here before and I noticed
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your um your phone case is a picture of
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Andrew Tate.
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>> We'll get into that later cuz that's
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that's slightly problematic.
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>> Okay. [laughter]
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>> Well, to me that says um
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>> that's crazy that you even saw that.
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>> Yeah, I saw that. But that that to me
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says like this this is someone that I
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like a lot. This is Yeah. Um but first
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of all I want to know um yeah who who is
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Steven Ced in terms of your early years.
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So you're born in America sour.
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>> Yes. So I was born in America sour. I
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was raised in New Zealand. Uh West
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Oakland, New Zealand. Uh six years.
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>> When when did when did you move here?
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>> Uh 2 years old. But I came under my
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mother's citizenship at that time. Okay.
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>> Um
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>> and basically I was raised in West
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Oakland. Um uh six kids, solo mother. My
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father left when I was five. He came
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back at 23. So my older sister got
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married at 23 and he came back. sister
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gave him an ultimatum saying if you're
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not coming back then you're out of my
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life and then he came back and ever
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since then I forgiven my father were
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better but I always knew I was meant for
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the bright lights I always meant my
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voice is going to be a lot of people are
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going to hear my voice um that's who I
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am and I'm just a person that likes to
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speak my mind like to be a bastion of
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truth and a beacon of light and um a lot
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of I get a lot of stick because I do
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everything the opposite of what everyone
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does Like in the Polynesian social media
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space, everybody does comedy skits. Gang
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comedy skits. Terrell comedy skits. All
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these names. If somebody said, "Who's
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that sour guy that does comedy skits?"
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It would be hard to pinpoint which one
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because everybody does it. But if they
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said, "Who's that big fellow that runs
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his mouth online and calls people how it
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is? That Polynesian guy, people can
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already immediately say Steven Settle."
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So there's a I I don't think what I'm
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doing is that controversial. I just feel
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like there's nobody in competition. So
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I'm in my lane dominating and
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everybody's in their lane competing. And
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I think I do everything against what a
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Polynesian is. Cuz people like to say
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Polynisians are humble and, you know,
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loving and caring. They don't swear
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online. They don't say all of these sort
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of things. But I'll be like, well,
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that's when the camera's not on them.
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Cuz if you knew what Polynesians were,
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they're just normal people like
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everybody else.
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>> And I feel like that's the only reason
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why I've stood out like a swollen thumb,
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that's all.
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>> So um your dad?
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>> Yes.
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>> So what are your what are your
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recollections of that time? Like so do
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you have a good relationship with him in
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the first 5 years?
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>> Well, the thing there was not very much
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vivid memories cuz he left when I was
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five.
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>> What are your memories of those first
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five years? I saw him as my superhero. I
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saw him as, you know, I wanted to be
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like him. You know, he was in the
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American army and it's like, whoa, he's
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a soldier. You know, everything I think
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as a son, you always aspire to be your
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dad. You want to be like your dad, but
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with age builds perspective. And then
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getting older, I realized that he was
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everything I didn't want to be. I
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believe in loyalty. What he did was
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absolutely putrid to my mother.
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>> What did he do?
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>> He got other women pregnant.
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>> Okay. and got a whole set of kids out
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there. Um, and I just don't know how any
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man would be able to leave a woman on
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the benefit with six kids by herself and
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then just [ __ ] off. And to me that is
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almost like manslaughter in a way
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because you know after a heartbreak of
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25 years of 15 years of marriage, 25
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years of knowing each other just to
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leave abruptly like that is crazy.
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>> Where where were you in the birth order?
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I'm second to last youngest.
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>> Okay.
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>> So the So I'm 33 now. My baby sister
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would be like about 30 years old.
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>> And then the oldest would be like about
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45 46.
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>> Right. So So what are they? How many
00:15:40
sisters? How many?
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>> Two. Two sisters. The oldest the
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matriarch out of all siblings is the
00:15:45
sister and then the youngest is the
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sister. But it's sister brother
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and then me and then sister.
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>> Right.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um so you I'm guessing when Yeah. What
00:15:56
do you remember about when your dad
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left? What were you told? What did you
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know what was going on?
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>> Well, my mom never really wanted to
00:16:00
belittle my father ever because and and
00:16:03
that's one thing I Yeah. And that's one
00:16:05
thing I applaud about my mom is that she
00:16:07
never wanted me to have a bad image of
00:16:08
my father because I am my son's father.
00:16:11
And she never wanted to tell me. My mom
00:16:12
always believed speaking about
00:16:14
positivity. So, she would always say,
00:16:16
"Oh, he's gone. He's gone." Until I
00:16:18
start to realize, "Well, how when is he
00:16:19
coming back? You said he's coming back
00:16:21
every single Christmas." Then my mom had
00:16:23
to get a little bit real with me and
00:16:24
tell me, well, you know, actually he's
00:16:26
moved on. And I felt betrayed. I felt
00:16:29
resentment. I was like, how dare he
00:16:30
promised that he was going to come back.
00:16:32
You know, he went to get the milk and
00:16:33
then, you know, he ended up being with a
00:16:35
cow. [laughter]
00:16:36
Pardon the pun.
00:16:39
Yeah. So, um, yeah, just been that's
00:16:42
that's been me. But I grew up with my
00:16:45
mom and
00:16:48
my mom gave me a lot of feminine energy.
00:16:50
And there was a point in time cuz
00:16:52
remember there's three brothers
00:16:53
including myself and there's two sisters
00:16:54
including myself. My mom would literally
00:16:56
split the line in the middle and say
00:16:58
these are the boys and these are the
00:17:00
girls and I was one of the girls cuz I
00:17:01
was the second to last youngest. So I
00:17:04
grew up around my sisters. I never
00:17:05
really knew who my brother was. And I
00:17:08
grew up in a way where I didn't have any
00:17:10
masculinity. I didn't grow up I got
00:17:12
bullied a lot. I didn't care about who I
00:17:15
was. I didn't speak up a lot. I just
00:17:18
felt like I was just a porn on a
00:17:19
chessboard and that's all I was. And now
00:17:22
we're gonna if we segue into Andrew Tate
00:17:24
and all this whole new masculinity
00:17:25
thing.
00:17:27
>> What he says about women is absolutely
00:17:29
disgusting.
00:17:30
>> Let's get that straight.
00:17:31
>> We agree.
00:17:32
>> We agree on that.
00:17:33
>> What he says about women is absolutely
00:17:35
disgusting. But Piers Morgan, Joe Rogan,
00:17:38
all the biggest names have all agreed
00:17:40
this. If you can remove the misogyny
00:17:41
away from Andrew Tate, everything he
00:17:44
does is commendable. That's what they've
00:17:46
actually said. He talks about mental
00:17:48
health for men to be stoic. He teaches
00:17:50
men how to overcome situations. He
00:17:52
teaches men to go into the gym and work
00:17:54
hard and focus on themselves. Ever since
00:17:56
I met Andrew Tate, I was in such a deep
00:17:58
hole that I've now become better. My
00:18:01
social media have have popped off. I've
00:18:03
been in the gym now. I've lost over 20
00:18:05
kilos. So, a lot of people could say,
00:18:08
"Well, he's a misogynist and he's done
00:18:10
this and he's did this." I'm like,
00:18:11
"Yeah, but I see the result." You don't.
00:18:15
You just see what you've been told by
00:18:17
mainstream media, by legacy media. And
00:18:19
if you still believe that legacy media
00:18:21
holds a holds a narrative where it's all
00:18:24
fair game, mate, then you're living in
00:18:25
the [ __ ] matrix, buddy.
00:18:27
>> Yeah. But you you understand you
00:18:28
understand the problem with that. Like
00:18:30
it's it's like take a slice of the pie
00:18:32
away,
00:18:32
>> but it's still a part of that same pie.
00:18:34
>> Yeah. But then at the end of the day,
00:18:37
mate, it's like we are all colorful
00:18:39
human beings. Nobody has one
00:18:41
personality. I can guarantee you, Dom,
00:18:43
if I would talk to all the people that
00:18:45
you've met in your life, they would all
00:18:47
give me a different perspective of Dom.
00:18:48
They'll say, "Oh, Dom, he's that
00:18:51
annoying bastard that blah blah blah.
00:18:53
Oh, Dom, he's the kind-hearted. Oh, Dom,
00:18:55
he's loving. Oh, Dom, he's a creep."
00:18:59
>> But that still makes you Dom.
00:19:01
>> And that's like it's it's a very
00:19:03
hypocritical for me to say, "Well,
00:19:05
Andrew say he's a misogynist. Okay,
00:19:06
that's great. Cool. That's there. Now,
00:19:08
let's look at the other side of the
00:19:09
pie." You know, like Donald Trump. Well,
00:19:13
let's get into Donald Trump. Oh my
00:19:14
[laughter] god.
00:19:16
Like like like
00:19:18
like like [laughter]
00:19:20
I told you I'm controversial, man. This
00:19:23
[ __ ] is going to Oh my god. Look, Donald
00:19:26
Trump.
00:19:28
This guy, let's just say he's probably
00:19:31
far from presidential, but he is the
00:19:34
lesser of both evils. And if anything,
00:19:37
you can say he's this and he's that, but
00:19:40
mate, he's a multi-millionaire,
00:19:42
billionaire. He's a businessman, and
00:19:45
that's a fact.
00:19:47
>> He knows how to run a country. Now, I
00:19:48
don't know what's happening with these
00:19:49
tariffs. That's that's another story.
00:19:52
>> Do you see where I'm coming from?
00:19:53
>> Well, it's one thing I do believe in is
00:19:56
is democracy. So, we here in New
00:19:58
Zealand, we can say what we like about
00:19:59
Donald Trump, and there's no doubt doubt
00:20:01
about it. like he's a problematic man
00:20:03
and he's a bully and he's all sorts of
00:20:05
things, but we don't live in America. We
00:20:07
don't have the right to vote. Americans
00:20:09
do. And they uh emphatically decided to
00:20:13
elect him. And you can't argue with
00:20:15
democracy.
00:20:16
>> That's what I'm saying. It's because he
00:20:17
even won the popular vote.
00:20:18
>> He didn't just win the electoral vote.
00:20:20
He won the popular vote and he won the
00:20:22
Senate. It's it's because the media,
00:20:24
what the media does is they try to
00:20:27
tarnish your influence. I would say the
00:20:29
reason why Donald Trump won is because
00:20:31
the media tried to make us hate Donald
00:20:34
Trump. And if you try to purport an
00:20:36
image so much, we're going to just say,
00:20:38
"Oh, [ __ ] off, bro. We've heard too
00:20:40
much." They keep saying, "Oh, a rape
00:20:42
accusation, a woman, you know, tribunal.
00:20:45
This is that." It got to the point where
00:20:47
we're like, "We got we know the
00:20:48
narrative now. We know what you're
00:20:49
trying to do. We're just going to vote
00:20:51
for Donald Trump to piss you off."
00:20:53
>> And also as well, I think a lot of times
00:20:55
people can see through the [ __ ] And
00:20:56
I think media control the narrative and
00:20:58
then people think that the media is true
00:21:00
not knowing that there's a whole another
00:21:02
like online you'll think I'm the most
00:21:04
hated person. Online you would think
00:21:06
Steven is hated. He has no fans. Well,
00:21:09
the numbers tell different. That's
00:21:11
that's all I'm saying. The numbers tell
00:21:13
different. I've never had a negative
00:21:14
interaction out in public. People love
00:21:16
me. They swarm me. They come around me
00:21:19
when I'm out polyfest because my my
00:21:22
demographic is mainly Pacific Islanders.
00:21:23
Whenever they see me, man, they're all
00:21:25
over me. I don't have a private life no
00:21:26
more. But online, you would think I'm
00:21:28
hated
00:21:30
>> because the media tries to paint you as
00:21:32
a hateable person. But no, I'm a lovely
00:21:34
guy. Don't you think I'm a lovely dog?
00:21:36
>> Yeah. So far, so far I So far I do.
00:21:38
Well, there's and that's one thing I
00:21:39
like about doing this um this this
00:21:41
podcast and uh there's a a quote that I
00:21:44
bring up um all the time actually from
00:21:46
Michelle Obama and the quote is that um
00:21:48
most people are hard not to like up
00:21:50
close.
00:21:50
>> Yeah. And um I've found that to be I've
00:21:54
done it like 220 podcasts now. I'd say
00:21:55
that's true. Like you meet someone in
00:21:57
person, but it feels like we've got to a
00:21:59
point now with society where if you have
00:22:01
a differing opinion to someone, it's
00:22:03
like, well, we can't agree on anything
00:22:05
now.
00:22:05
>> Correct. And people are getting so lost
00:22:08
in their feelings,
00:22:10
feelings, feelings, feelings, feelings,
00:22:12
feelings. And I know this is another
00:22:14
controversial segue we're going into. It
00:22:17
was only 30 years ago when I said,
00:22:19
"Yeah, she's a woman."
00:22:21
And that was a fact. You say somebody's
00:22:24
a woman now, that's a hot take.
00:22:27
>> But it's amazing how things have
00:22:29
changed. You see what I mean? It's I'm
00:22:30
not I'm not even trying to say this to
00:22:32
be a dick. But let's just be real, bro.
00:22:35
You know, 30 years ago when you would go
00:22:36
on a date, you're like, "Oh, I can't
00:22:38
wait to see my woman." Now, if you go on
00:22:39
a date in 2025, you have to say, "I hope
00:22:42
it is a woman." It's just things have
00:22:44
just switched. And I'm I'm not saying
00:22:46
this anything to push against the LGBT
00:22:48
community. Now, I got friends in that
00:22:50
community, but all I'm trying to say is
00:22:52
is that what is reality? What is the
00:22:56
what what is common sense?
00:22:59
But I'm just wondering why why you'd
00:23:01
even dip your toes in that in that water
00:23:03
like the the the you I've heard you say
00:23:05
some um like homophobic, transphobic
00:23:08
things. Like why would you like you're
00:23:11
um you're a Christian guy. You're a man
00:23:13
of God. I've heard you say that.
00:23:16
>> If it's not bothering you, it has no
00:23:18
direct impact on your life. Like, why do
00:23:20
you care?
00:23:21
>> Well, where do we draw the line?
00:23:23
>> Well, see, here's the thing.
00:23:25
>> Sorry. This year, this year
00:23:27
>> I'm um
00:23:28
>> Sorry, T. You guys have to see me. I'm
00:23:30
trying to lose weight. Sorry.
00:23:31
>> I'm um I'm I'm 52. I'm I'm old as [ __ ]
00:23:34
I'm set in my ways. I I don't understand
00:23:36
pronouns. I don't understand they them.
00:23:38
It doesn't make sense to me.
00:23:40
>> But you know what?
00:23:43
It it it has no impact on my life if
00:23:45
someone else if it's important to them
00:23:48
for me to address them by those pronouns
00:23:50
like it's no skin off my nose.
00:23:52
>> So I don't have a problem with gay
00:23:53
people. I'm just generalizing the whole
00:23:55
thing because if we pick at everything
00:23:57
we're going to be here for a long time.
00:23:58
If I say water is the most healthiest
00:24:00
beverage I'm pretty sure I can find in
00:24:02
India from India they will say yeah but
00:24:04
the water here is disgusting. It doesn't
00:24:05
defeat the purpose that water is still
00:24:06
the most healthiest beverage.
00:24:08
>> So I'm just I'm just generalizing the
00:24:10
whole matter. So, I don't want people to
00:24:11
think that I'm homophobic or, you know,
00:24:13
misogynistic. It's just an opinion, you
00:24:16
know.
00:24:16
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm just wondering why
00:24:18
this is the hell hell you die on. But
00:24:19
I'm I'm like, it's generally like we're
00:24:22
not having an argument or anything. I'm
00:24:23
just curious as to the the why you think
00:24:25
this way, but I'm I'm more interested in
00:24:27
getting to know
00:24:28
>> um the guy behind these opinions online.
00:24:32
>> So, um so your dad takes off at 5.
00:24:35
>> Yeah.
00:24:36
>> A [clears throat] confusing time for
00:24:37
you. And it sounds like your mom's
00:24:38
[ __ ] amazing, by the Oh, thank you so
00:24:40
much. Appreciate
00:24:40
>> woman. Is she still around?
00:24:41
>> Yes, she is. She is.
00:24:42
>> How old is she now?
00:24:43
>> She is uh 65 then.
00:24:45
>> Yeah. Well, I can't imagine the strength
00:24:48
of character it took your mom to bite
00:24:50
her tongue and not talk [ __ ] about your
00:24:51
dad. That's um that's a powerful
00:24:54
matriarch of the family there. But um
00:24:58
you may have been like just cocooned
00:24:59
from this because you were too young to
00:25:01
remember or whatever, but um life must
00:25:04
have been tough for her.
00:25:06
>> Yeah, it was. But she never showed me it
00:25:08
was tough. And uh you know I would see
00:25:12
her always stay strong. I never saw a
00:25:15
weakness from her. And I think this sort
00:25:18
of like um bleeds out to how I am online
00:25:21
in a way. You know I I can only teach
00:25:24
you what I know. And what I know is to
00:25:27
always show up strong even if you feel
00:25:30
weak. And so seeing my mom being that
00:25:34
example, that's really motivated me in
00:25:36
life, knowing that despite how you feel,
00:25:40
that shouldn't trigger how you operate
00:25:43
throughout the day.
00:25:45
>> And um
00:25:47
you know, I don't mean to be that person
00:25:49
that always goes back to our old topics,
00:25:50
but that's why I'm saying with this
00:25:52
whole mental health situation, when when
00:25:55
I say to people, no matter how you feel,
00:25:58
you can overcome.
00:26:00
Who cares about how you feel? Keep
00:26:02
pushing forward. Somehow I'm
00:26:04
>> somehow I'm hated for that.
00:26:06
>> I don't know why
00:26:09
they say they say, "Well, you know,
00:26:11
medication is this." And I'm like,
00:26:12
"Yeah, you believe in medication. I
00:26:13
believe in the world will of a man. I
00:26:14
believe in the will of a woman."
00:26:16
[sighs and gasps]
00:26:17
What's your thoughts on that, Dom? What?
00:26:19
Why do you think I get heat for that?
00:26:21
For telling people, saying that you
00:26:23
don't need medication, you're powerful
00:26:25
beyond measure. You're the victim, not
00:26:27
the victim. Why do you think people hate
00:26:29
me telling people that?
00:26:30
>> I think probably because there's a
00:26:31
mental health crisis in this country.
00:26:33
Like there's a lot of people that are
00:26:34
really confused and uh a lot of people
00:26:37
are doing it really tough.
00:26:38
>> I don't know. And I I I also think
00:26:40
there's just people that [clears throat]
00:26:42
have a like a chemical imbalance in
00:26:44
their brain um that potentially needs to
00:26:46
be rectified with medication.
00:26:48
>> How do you think that chemical imbalance
00:26:49
came into place?
00:26:53
>> Because they weren't because they
00:26:53
weren't born with a chemical imbalance.
00:26:55
But I find it funny that the chemical
00:26:57
imbalance came into place as soon as
00:26:59
they went for a heartbreak. [laughter]
00:27:01
>> That chemical imbalance came that
00:27:03
chemical imbalance came when they got
00:27:05
locked in prison.
00:27:06
>> So it's now situational.
00:27:08
>> So if they weren't in that situation, it
00:27:10
would never would have happened.
00:27:12
>> That's what I truly believe. I believe
00:27:13
that if you're in a bad place, move
00:27:16
because it's situational.
00:27:18
>> Um you know, I had a friend that said,
00:27:20
"I'm depressed." I said, "Why are you
00:27:21
depressed?" He goes, "Cuz I don't have a
00:27:23
job."
00:27:24
I said, "Well, then you're not
00:27:25
depressed. You're [ __ ] lazy cuz if
00:27:26
you had a job, you wouldn't be
00:27:27
depressed." Yeah,
00:27:28
>> that's um I suppose that's like circum
00:27:30
circumstantial depression. And I don't
00:27:31
think that's real depression. Have you
00:27:33
Have you seen someone that's like like
00:27:35
really properly depressed? [ __ ] Have
00:27:38
you? Yeah.
00:27:38
>> But I But I operate and I move and I
00:27:41
stand strong.
00:27:42
>> When When was that? When were you when
00:27:43
were you depressed?
00:27:44
>> I'm depressed every day. I'm depressed
00:27:45
now.
00:27:47
>> Are you Why are you depressed now?
00:27:48
Because I feel like, you know, I I feel
00:27:51
like you shouldn't be trying to chase
00:27:52
this hedonistic behavior. You know, I'm
00:27:55
not satisfied with the life I have now.
00:27:57
I always want more. You know, it's
00:27:58
imperative for the it's a masculine
00:28:00
imperative for to conquer. Why did Dick
00:28:02
Gingus can't go to Vienna when he
00:28:03
already owned nearly half of the world?
00:28:05
We just want to conquer. And I think for
00:28:08
me, I I always want more. I raised my
00:28:10
bar so high that I'm never happy.
00:28:12
>> But I've accomplished so much. But what
00:28:15
I'm trying to say is that everybody is
00:28:17
sad, but you just got to keep pushing
00:28:19
through it.
00:28:20
>> You know, there's s there's sadness and
00:28:22
you need you need sadness in your life
00:28:24
to appreciate what happiness is. But
00:28:25
when it's in, you know, it's easy to say
00:28:27
I'm depressed as a throwaway sort of
00:28:29
line.
00:28:30
>> But
00:28:30
>> so would you say people exaggerate
00:28:32
depression?
00:28:33
>> Well, you you said you're depressed all
00:28:34
the time, but I I'd argue that that what
00:28:36
you've got is not actual depression.
00:28:38
>> Exactly. That's that's the whole
00:28:40
argument that I'm I'm trying to say is
00:28:42
that
00:28:44
There are only two emotions,
00:28:47
two positive, negative. Everything is
00:28:51
subheading.
00:28:52
Enthusiasm, joy, laughter, all of that
00:28:55
falls under positive. Negative is
00:28:58
depression, anxiety, fear falls under
00:29:01
negative. There's only two oper two two
00:29:03
emotions.
00:29:05
>> I just operate in in in in a positive
00:29:08
emotion. I feel negativity in there, but
00:29:10
I just I keep moving. I I could
00:29:13
guarantee you, buddy, my whole family
00:29:15
could be unal alive tomorrow and I still
00:29:17
would have showed up to this podcast
00:29:20
because it's in my duty. It's in my
00:29:23
heart. It's in my bloodline. It's in my
00:29:26
It's in It's in my nature, in my mantra
00:29:28
to show up despite I could have walked
00:29:31
into this pot. My whole family could
00:29:32
have unalived. Touch what it doesn't
00:29:33
happen. My whole family could be
00:29:34
unalive. I could literally come here and
00:29:36
shake you in the hand and be like,
00:29:37
"Buddy, I'm ready for the podcast. Let's
00:29:38
go." And then cry tears as I'm getting
00:29:40
back in the car.
00:29:41
you do you cry much?
00:29:44
Um are you an emotional guy? It's quite
00:29:47
funny like we've been talking like half
00:29:48
an hour and I've seen um just an
00:29:50
observation. It's like um
00:29:52
>> like when you talk about your mom and
00:29:53
your family, there's this real um like
00:29:56
softness to you.
00:29:57
>> Yeah.
00:29:57
>> You sort of lean forward and it's really
00:29:59
good and then then it's like [laughter]
00:30:01
>> no it's like a volcano that's about to
00:30:04
erupt.
00:30:04
>> No, no, The thing is like I I because
00:30:08
I've been on other podcasts, right,
00:30:10
where they really want to dive into the
00:30:12
soul of Steven Setu. Um I finished off
00:30:15
with Latell with Dave and that was, you
00:30:18
know, that's done numbers and
00:30:19
everybody's like, "Wow, I like to see
00:30:20
that side of Stephen. With you, I feel
00:30:24
like it's nice. This is really cool
00:30:26
because you're just laying it out
00:30:27
there." I feel like this is probably the
00:30:28
first time I've been challenged on a
00:30:30
podcast, which is great. And so you tell
00:30:33
me a bit about how is Stephen like when
00:30:35
he's growing up and then you see okay
00:30:37
cool you see that but then you'll say
00:30:40
why is your opinions like this and I'm
00:30:41
like okay cool
00:30:42
>> game on game on
00:30:45
>> you [clears throat] see what I mean so
00:30:46
>> yeah yeah yeah
00:30:47
>> it's great but I prefer these podcasts
00:30:50
because you're not you're not being
00:30:52
biased. I actually love this and I love
00:30:54
your authenticity and I I would say from
00:30:57
every podcast because like when I went
00:30:58
on Duncan Ghana me and him basically
00:31:00
have the same rhetoric. He basically
00:31:03
everything I said he just he agrees even
00:31:06
you know with you I got a little bit of
00:31:08
push back but that's great and I feel
00:31:11
like you need push back in order to
00:31:13
learn. You need push back in order to
00:31:15
come from a different angle or listen to
00:31:16
a different perspective. So you know
00:31:18
>> Yeah. And I'm I'm just curious. I'd
00:31:20
rather I'd rather like have you have you
00:31:22
explain why you think certain things um
00:31:24
rather than just like be like nah let's
00:31:27
not give this guy a platform
00:31:28
>> um cuz it's interesting like we got to
00:31:30
we got to share the same streets with
00:31:31
each other you know people have
00:31:32
different opinions so it's good to get
00:31:34
to the bottom of it
00:31:35
>> but yeah so what was school like for you
00:31:37
you mentioned before like you were
00:31:39
bullied was this at school in New
00:31:41
Zealand once you moved to New Zealand or
00:31:43
>> Yep.
00:31:43
>> What was what did the bullying look
00:31:45
like?
00:31:45
>> Fat.
00:31:46
>> Yeah. Were you a big kid?
00:31:47
>> Yeah, big kid. I've lost weight, gained
00:31:49
weight, lost weight, gained weight.
00:31:50
That's happened because I've injured my
00:31:52
meniscus, you know, playing sports and
00:31:54
things like that. So, I've gained
00:31:55
weight, lost weight. At the end of the
00:31:57
day, it's just excuses. I think I got to
00:31:58
lose, you know, I'm on a weight loss
00:32:00
journey now, but you know, I I've been
00:32:03
bullied a lot in school. um at that
00:32:06
point.
00:32:07
>> Yeah. Like primary school, intermediate.
00:32:10
>> This might be another controversial
00:32:11
take, but when I was in [laughter]
00:32:16
>> Sorry, Tom. I used to think at that
00:32:19
point bullying was bad. But I believe we
00:32:22
should bring bullying back cuz I believe
00:32:24
bullying turns people into the greatest
00:32:27
beings. I believe like we need to bring
00:32:31
back bullying. No, we don't. We need
00:32:34
what we need is more kindness and
00:32:36
compassion. I mean being being I mate I
00:32:39
I
00:32:40
>> I'm curious to see how you work because
00:32:42
um you probably you probably don't know
00:32:44
me from my radio career e
00:32:46
>> somewhat.
00:32:47
>> Yeah. So I I did 20 years doing the a
00:32:49
nationwide breakfast on the station
00:32:50
called the edge and I was never going to
00:32:52
be the funniest person. I was never
00:32:54
going to be um the nicest person or the
00:32:57
best looking. So I found out I needed a
00:32:58
niche and the niche I went went as like
00:33:01
a shock jock. So I was the guy I was the
00:33:03
guy on the radio. People would say, "Oh,
00:33:05
Dom says what everyone's thinking." And
00:33:07
often time it wasn't even what I was
00:33:09
thinking. I was just trying to shock and
00:33:11
provoke and evoke an emotion out of
00:33:13
people.
00:33:13
>> You think I'm doing that?
00:33:14
>> Do you think I'm doing that?
00:33:16
>> I do. I do. [laughter] I I do.
00:33:19
>> Perhaps. We don't know.
00:33:20
>> I do in a way. But may And but maybe and
00:33:23
maybe for you like for the age and stage
00:33:25
you're at life now, you genuinely
00:33:27
believe all these things you're saying.
00:33:29
Then I don't know. [ __ ] For me, during
00:33:31
my 40s, I went through some mental
00:33:32
health stuff and now I realized like the
00:33:34
the best thing I can do, there's a lot
00:33:35
of people doing it tough out there. The
00:33:36
best thing I can do is just be be nice
00:33:38
and it makes me feel better. Makes other
00:33:40
people feel better.
00:33:41
>> I think I'm a nice guy, Dom.
00:33:42
>> Yeah,
00:33:43
>> I think I'm a nice guy, Dom. I I I don't
00:33:45
think my opinions make me not a nice
00:33:46
guy.
00:33:48
>> You know what I mean? I think I'm Look,
00:33:50
okay, obviously there's a bit
00:33:51
exaggeration. Obviously, there's a bit
00:33:54
probing the bear out there and getting a
00:33:55
bit of a reaction.
00:33:57
But what what I mean by the context of
00:33:59
they should bring bullying back. They
00:34:01
shouldn't bring bullying back as a
00:34:02
whole. But but what I mean by that is is
00:34:06
that sometimes to get to appreciate the
00:34:09
sun, you got to go through the rain. And
00:34:11
every diamond was once cut, you know?
00:34:14
That's what I'm saying. You got to go
00:34:15
through some sort of whiplash. The
00:34:17
faster the car, the stronger the wind,
00:34:20
>> you know, but I I never thought I'd be
00:34:22
um [laughter] the first person to walk
00:34:24
out on my own podcast.
00:34:30
Okay. [laughter] Okay. Okay. No, no. But
00:34:31
on on a realness, sorry guys, [snorts]
00:34:33
on a on a on a realness, I think we got
00:34:34
to bring it down to it was a is Yes. Be
00:34:37
kind. Be nice.
00:34:39
>> Um like bullying bullying's Yeah. I
00:34:42
don't know how much of that is just you
00:34:43
trolling. But like bullying is [ __ ]
00:34:45
terrible. And when I was at school,
00:34:46
there was no technology. So you get
00:34:48
bullied at school. Home was a safe
00:34:50
haven. And I feel like home's not a safe
00:34:52
haven anymore because everyone's got
00:34:53
devices and you know kids are
00:34:55
contactable with their classmates 24/7.
00:34:57
It's not cool.
00:34:58
>> Yeah. No, you're right. It's it's it's
00:35:00
not good when it gets to that point.
00:35:01
Yeah. With that point, it's absolutely
00:35:02
revolting.
00:35:03
>> Yeah. Like how did you how did you feel
00:35:04
when you were bullied at school?
00:35:06
>> Disgusted. Um sad. Depressed.
00:35:10
It's
00:35:10
>> Did it make you Did it make you meek or
00:35:12
did you sort of fight back or
00:35:14
>> It made me weak. It made me weak. It
00:35:16
made me. It made me feel it made me feel
00:35:18
like I wanted to go. It made me feel
00:35:21
like I've had enough of life.
00:35:23
But it's easier for me to say I guess
00:35:26
you know I could meet you at Common
00:35:28
Ground and and I guess it's just easier
00:35:30
for me to say now because age builds
00:35:33
perspective and I'm in a better place
00:35:35
now and I can look back and try to make
00:35:37
it sound fancy and say well if I didn't
00:35:39
get bullied I wouldn't be here. But
00:35:41
going through it at that moment was
00:35:43
ridiculous. And it was hell. And not
00:35:45
many people have that mental, you know,
00:35:48
acumen to push through. So I think it's
00:35:51
a little bit farfetched for me to say,
00:35:53
"Mate, mate, it's I I [clears throat]
00:35:56
got an email."
00:35:56
>> I stand corrected, fam. [laughter]
00:35:58
>> I got an email out of the blue last week
00:36:00
from a guy I went to school with, and it
00:36:01
was um a lovely email telling me how
00:36:04
much he loves the podcast and the work
00:36:05
I'm doing. As soon as I saw this name
00:36:07
pop up on my [ __ ] Outlook Outlook
00:36:10
thing,
00:36:11
>> like it made my uh it made like the the
00:36:13
hairs on my back stand up because this
00:36:15
guy was a [ __ ] bully at school. Wow.
00:36:17
>> This guy made my life hell for years
00:36:19
>> and now he's like, "Hey." And but made
00:36:22
me realize I just wrote back a nice, oh,
00:36:24
thanks, man. Appreciate it. Made me
00:36:26
realize he probably didn't even realize
00:36:27
he was doing it. He probably didn't
00:36:29
realize the impact his actions were
00:36:31
having on me. Here I am. [ __ ] old ass
00:36:34
man. [laughter]
00:36:34
>> Yeah.
00:36:36
still triggered by seeing this guy's
00:36:38
name in an email.
00:36:39
>> Yeah.
00:36:39
>> Yeah. So, when did you start to get big?
00:36:43
>> I've always had a problem with my
00:36:45
weight. I've always been up and down.
00:36:47
>> Is it is it is it is it diet or is it a
00:36:49
genetic thing or
00:36:51
>> you know what it is? I just love food,
00:36:52
mate.
00:36:53
>> Yeah.
00:36:54
>> And I shared this on on another podcast.
00:36:58
Um I dived into it. I said, "Yes, as
00:37:02
much as I say depression is not real and
00:37:04
I say you got to get up and get the [ __ ]
00:37:06
out of your feelings and keep moving."
00:37:09
It was only until recently cuz my
00:37:10
friends keep everything real with me.
00:37:12
And I had a friend that said, "Stephen,
00:37:14
mate, yeah, you might not be sleeping in
00:37:16
bed. Yeah, you might not be drinking
00:37:18
alcohol. Yeah, you might not be taking
00:37:19
drugs, but you're [ __ ] eating
00:37:21
yourself to a grave."
00:37:24
>> And I just that that was like, whoa.
00:37:27
That was crazy because I feel like
00:37:28
depression, my way of dealing with
00:37:30
depression, one of the vices has been
00:37:32
gluttony.
00:37:34
>> And
00:37:36
um so yeah, I could I stand [snorts]
00:37:39
corrected and say so it's a bit
00:37:40
hypocritical for me saying, you know,
00:37:41
get the out of your feelings, keep
00:37:43
moving,
00:37:45
but you know, but it's it's easy to say
00:37:48
that when you're eating eight Big Macs
00:37:50
and 12 fries and can of Coke and for
00:37:53
breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you know,
00:37:55
[ __ ]
00:37:56
>> [snorts]
00:37:56
>> Yeah, it's a form of self harm in a way.
00:37:58
>> Yeah.
00:37:59
>> Um, yeah. What did Yeah. What did you
00:38:01
get from overeating? Like was it was it
00:38:03
eating comfortable food make made you
00:38:04
feel good? Like endorphins?
00:38:06
>> I think food was the only thing that
00:38:07
made that had my back. I think food was
00:38:10
the only thing that made me that that
00:38:12
never hurt me. I think I've been hurt my
00:38:14
whole entire life and food was the only
00:38:16
thing that um
00:38:19
that didn't hurt me even though it did.
00:38:22
Every time I ate, I always had a release
00:38:24
of endorphins and I felt happy and that
00:38:27
was enough to get me through the night.
00:38:29
>> That was enough to that was enough for
00:38:31
me to, you know, outlast the storm.
00:38:35
But then,
00:38:37
you know, like everything, you realize
00:38:40
it's actually doing the opposite.
00:38:43
It's gone to the point now where
00:38:47
I don't really emphasize that much on
00:38:49
feelings because I think there was a
00:38:50
huge part of my life where I did and now
00:38:52
I don't really emphasize on feelings and
00:38:54
it's getting to the point now where I'm
00:38:56
like why do I need to lose weight? I'm
00:38:58
all good. I I'm confident. I'm this and
00:39:00
that. But that's the trouble, man. I
00:39:03
don't wear shoes like cuz I can't tie my
00:39:05
shoelaces, man. I wear jandals, man. I'm
00:39:07
you know I walk around like David Tour.
00:39:09
The only difference is he's fit. I'm
00:39:10
not. So, it's just
00:39:12
>> he's so fat, eh?
00:39:13
>> Yeah, he's fat, man. What the [ __ ] I
00:39:15
love watching his um if you follow him
00:39:16
on Instagram, it's a captivating watch.
00:39:19
He trains every day.
00:39:20
>> He's in his own gym, I guess, because
00:39:22
there's no health and safety.
00:39:23
>> He's in his He's in his early 50s, man.
00:39:25
He can [ __ ] move.
00:39:26
>> Hey, he's like lifting massive massive
00:39:29
weights with
00:39:31
>> Yeah. So it's um
00:39:34
yeah it's just it's it's I've I've re I
00:39:36
can say that it was only till recently I
00:39:39
realized that the reason why it's easier
00:39:41
for me to say that depression is not
00:39:43
real is because my vice is to eat eat
00:39:46
out of it
00:39:47
>> but also move but I can only move
00:39:49
because I ate so for me to move I need
00:39:52
to eat you know but I want to be able to
00:39:55
replace that with going to the gym and
00:39:57
which I [clears throat] have recently
00:39:58
I've been going to the gym and
00:39:59
exercising
00:40:00
>> what What did you weigh at your peak?
00:40:02
>> 220.
00:40:04
>> [ __ ] What are you now?
00:40:05
>> I'm 190.
00:40:07
>> Right. [ __ ] That's a lot of weight to
00:40:08
be carrying around, eh?
00:40:10
>> Yeah. It's a lot, mate. It's a lot. But
00:40:12
I went to the doctors, man. The doctors
00:40:13
were saying to me, you're still a little
00:40:15
bit fit. Like the doctors are saying,
00:40:18
"You're still like the doctors go,
00:40:19
normally somebody who's at 180 is
00:40:21
bedridden."
00:40:22
>> Mhm.
00:40:23
>> Like can't even move yet. I'm in my car
00:40:26
coming out of my car going upstairs
00:40:28
doing this. So, you know, I think half
00:40:30
is to do with genetics and bone density,
00:40:33
but
00:40:34
>> yeah, your your siblings, are they big?
00:40:36
>> Uh, yeah. Big, small, big, small.
00:40:39
>> You know, but also I think if you look
00:40:42
at the Polynesian culture, food is
00:40:44
culture.
00:40:45
>> And when you're in a Polynesian family,
00:40:48
all you see is your parents buy food.
00:40:52
You don't see them buy clothes. You see
00:40:54
them buy food. So, we hold food at a
00:40:56
high echelon. But I would argue the
00:40:59
family's in broken head and he had like
00:41:01
Takapuna, you know, out in the shore. I
00:41:04
have a friend who's Pacquiao and he was
00:41:05
telling me that he goes, "We went to the
00:41:07
mall one time and I said, "Let's go to
00:41:09
the food court." And he's like, "Why?" I
00:41:11
was like, "Well, don't we eat when we go
00:41:13
out?" He's like, "No, I'm here to buy a
00:41:15
shirt." So, he would buy a shirt that's
00:41:17
$40 and then look at a family feast and
00:41:20
say, "What a waste of money." Whereas,
00:41:22
I'll buy a family feast for $40 and look
00:41:24
at a shirt and be like, "That's a
00:41:25
[laughter] waste of money." But it's
00:41:27
just culture, you know. It's culture and
00:41:29
differences. Yeah.
00:41:30
>> Yeah. [laughter]
00:41:33
>> It's funny. I've I've been to um Sam a
00:41:35
couple of times. Not American Samurai.
00:41:37
Um just, you know, up here Samoa.
00:41:40
>> Um and there's there's there's no one
00:41:43
there that's not massively overweight.
00:41:45
So I think it's probably some of the
00:41:46
processed food here in
00:41:48
>> New Zealand or other countries where
00:41:49
some move to. Well, if you think about
00:41:51
it, our bloodline who grew our ancestors
00:41:53
and all that grew up from the land,
00:41:55
>> you know, ever since the white sugar,
00:41:57
the white bread and all of that got
00:41:58
involved. If you look at their their
00:42:00
convenience stores, it's highly
00:42:01
processed.
00:42:03
>> Like highly like corn beef, mutton
00:42:06
flaps, turkey tails. They don't even
00:42:07
have sirloin steaks, none of that. They
00:42:10
all have the offcuts that butchers from
00:42:12
New Zealand sell abroad. So that's why
00:42:15
in Samo, they don't have like a lamb
00:42:17
chops. They have like mutton flaps and
00:42:19
it's like about 90% fat and then 10%
00:42:22
meat. It's [laughter] just Dude, do you
00:42:24
like corn beef? M I look like corn beef.
00:42:27
Of course I'm not cold beef, buddy.
00:42:28
[laughter] You like corn beef?
00:42:29
>> No, you don't.
00:42:30
>> No, I had it growing up all the time. I
00:42:32
[ __ ] hate it.
00:42:33
>> What? [laughter] How? What do you mean?
00:42:35
>> That's blasphemy. No, it brings back um
00:42:38
it's triggering. It brings back uh
00:42:40
memories of my childhood. Um,
00:42:43
so when you were bullied at school,
00:42:45
you'd come home, you would you tell your
00:42:47
mom or were you sort of introverted? You
00:42:49
kept this to yourself?
00:42:49
>> No, because I grew up in a family where
00:42:51
you couldn't, and this is predominant in
00:42:54
poly families is you couldn't share your
00:42:56
feelings because mental health wasn't
00:42:58
really a thing. So, you would go back to
00:43:01
the family home and you would want to
00:43:02
share your feelings and you, you know,
00:43:04
but then they'll say, "Oh, you're gay.
00:43:06
Weak yuck."
00:43:09
>> You know, things like that. So, we've
00:43:10
always been known just to hold it in.
00:43:14
>> And as much as that sounds sad,
00:43:17
>> I feel like it's made me who I am today.
00:43:20
>> And I feel like if I never went through
00:43:22
that sort of [ __ ] I probably wouldn't
00:43:24
be able to withstand the hate that I'm
00:43:25
getting now. Cuz I can guarantee you
00:43:27
when this podcast uploads, it's going to
00:43:29
get views.
00:43:30
>> And you'll probably do some snippets of
00:43:32
things that are going to probe the beer.
00:43:35
>> [laughter]
00:43:35
>> I know you, Dom, you're going to
00:43:37
probably do one where you got to, you
00:43:38
know, we where there's going to be some
00:43:40
snippets to get people enticed to watch
00:43:42
it.
00:43:43
>> And there's going to be a lot of people
00:43:44
that's going to hate me. There's going
00:43:45
to be a lot of people that's probably
00:43:46
going to call me out,
00:43:48
>> but but it is what it is, you know,
00:43:51
>> got the truth out. one one one thing I
00:43:53
found um I found really interesting so
00:43:55
far. So I've heard you on some other
00:43:57
podcasts and you talk about how almost
00:43:59
like men shouldn't show vulnerability,
00:44:01
they shouldn't show weakness and things
00:44:02
like that. But you you've you've shown
00:44:04
some already today and it's really
00:44:06
endearing. Well, yeah. Well, that's the
00:44:07
thing. I don't want to I don't want
00:44:09
people to think that I have no remorse
00:44:11
or no heart. I think that's the
00:44:13
misunderstanding that people have with
00:44:15
me is they think he has no heart. Bro, I
00:44:18
have the biggest heart off camera or
00:44:21
even on camera. I think I'm I'm I'm I'm
00:44:23
such a loving guy. It's just that people
00:44:26
can't get through the noise when they
00:44:27
hear the opinions and they hear the
00:44:30
so-called misogyny and so-called
00:44:32
homophobic. They're like, "Oh, this
00:44:34
guy's a terrible person." I'm like,
00:44:35
"Mate, I'm such a cool dude. If you get
00:44:38
to know me, I don't I'm not trying to
00:44:41
tell you don't have emotions. I'm just
00:44:43
saying don't operate from it." M
00:44:46
>> that's like the Bible says be angry sin
00:44:49
not
00:44:51
>> and that's all I'm saying if if you
00:44:53
could break down Steven Settle's message
00:44:55
into a nutshell it would be move even
00:44:58
when you don't feel like moving and that
00:45:01
is a beautiful message because life is
00:45:05
not going to be all [ __ ] fireworks.
00:45:08
It's going to hit you where it hurts.
00:45:10
You're going, you know, you're always
00:45:12
going to have a bad day. You know,
00:45:13
everybody has a bad day. M
00:45:16
>> whether you you know somebody you love's
00:45:19
going to die or you're going to die and
00:45:22
that's a fact.
00:45:24
>> Everybody's entitled. Everybody's got a
00:45:26
bad day coming. Either you die or
00:45:28
somebody you love will die.
00:45:31
>> So why have a bad day now?
00:45:34
[laughter]
00:45:34
>> You see what I MEAN? THAT'S WHAT I'M
00:45:36
SAYING. YOU SEE, SEE my message is that
00:45:38
why have a bad day now? Why?
00:45:40
>> Yeah. Well, s suffering is part of the
00:45:42
human experience. But um like
00:45:45
essentially the Bible, there's a lot of
00:45:47
wacky stuff in there, especially the Old
00:45:49
Testament, right? But the Bible, the the
00:45:51
message in there, like with the Ten
00:45:52
Commandments, is basically it's don't be
00:45:54
an [ __ ] eh? More or less, if you
00:45:56
boil it down to one sentence, it's don't
00:45:58
don't be an [ __ ]
00:45:58
>> What the thing about me is I wouldn't
00:46:00
say I'm religious. I'll say I'm very
00:46:01
spiritual. You know, I wouldn't say that
00:46:04
I I, you know, adhere I look at the
00:46:07
Bible as a book of philosophy rather
00:46:08
than a book of theology. I think it's
00:46:10
the first personal self-help book. So
00:46:13
like people would actually think that
00:46:14
there was an ark and Noah had it and the
00:46:17
ark actually is out there. I would
00:46:20
believe that the ark is just a parable
00:46:21
and it's a story that the ark is God and
00:46:24
then and that the floods are trials and
00:46:26
turbulence and that if we put our faith
00:46:29
in God that we would withstand the
00:46:30
flood.
00:46:31
>> So I see the Bible more as poetry rather
00:46:35
than actual true events. So
00:46:39
yeah, I don't I'm not that person that's
00:46:41
out there trying to like Did you know
00:46:43
that the charity of fire flew into the
00:46:45
air, mate? Like I'm that's [laughter]
00:46:48
that's not that's not me, bro. The water
00:46:50
turned red and the wine. Yeah, that's I
00:46:53
see it as poetry,
00:46:54
>> right? Part of me would like to think
00:46:56
there was a guy called Daniel that had a
00:46:58
fight with a liar, [laughter] mate.
00:46:59
>> Well, see, the thing is this is like I
00:47:01
believe that there is a higher power.
00:47:05
We're living in such an amazing time
00:47:06
because science and theology are in
00:47:08
agreement.
00:47:10
Theology believes that there's a God.
00:47:12
Science believe there's a higher power.
00:47:14
So they both are in agreement. If you
00:47:16
talk to a scientist, a scientist will
00:47:18
say, "We believe in a higher power. We
00:47:21
believe there's a higher power. This
00:47:22
higher power cannot be created or
00:47:23
destroyed. This higher power is
00:47:25
omnipresent. This higher power lives in
00:47:27
us, through us, around us. We are. This
00:47:29
higher power is around the cosmos." And
00:47:31
then there would call that higher power
00:47:33
energy. Energy is justice. Energy cannot
00:47:36
be created or destroyed. Energy is
00:47:38
omnipresent. We are energy. Energy is
00:47:40
around us. We all started from energy.
00:47:42
>> You ask a Christian, they would say God.
00:47:45
They will say God is just is. God is
00:47:47
omnipresent. God lives through us around
00:47:50
us. God is around. So they both believe
00:47:53
that there is a power. It's just so many
00:47:55
labels.
00:47:56
>> Science believes that power is called
00:47:58
energy. Christians believe it's Jesus.
00:48:00
And Muslims believe it's Allah. So if we
00:48:04
strip back all the labels, we can all
00:48:06
come into a general consensus and say,
00:48:08
"Well, there is a power."
00:48:10
>> Oh, yeah. And everyone's looking for
00:48:11
something to believe in. And I think
00:48:13
>> I don't know, I'm basing this on nothing
00:48:15
but sort of um feeling really, but I
00:48:17
feel like um religion's sort of like
00:48:19
back on the rise and it's just cuz
00:48:21
people are searching for some sort of
00:48:22
meaning.
00:48:23
>> You're um
00:48:24
>> you're you're you're very articulate and
00:48:27
and intelligent. Were you intelligent at
00:48:28
school? Did you do well at school?
00:48:30
>> I did a lot of drama. I did a lot of
00:48:31
drama in school, man. I p I I failed
00:48:34
everything, but I passed drama. And it's
00:48:36
funny how it extrapolates now to every
00:48:37
part of my life is drama. But I hated
00:48:41
school so much. Only went there to eat
00:48:43
my lunch. Now I look like lunch. So
00:48:46
[laughter]
00:48:47
do do you feel like you have to make um
00:48:49
you've done you've done this a few times
00:48:50
today. Do you feel like you have to make
00:48:52
fat jokes cuz you got to get in and make
00:48:54
the joke before someone else does? Well,
00:48:55
the thing is is it's like how can you
00:48:58
how can you laugh at the world if you
00:49:00
can't laugh at yourself?
00:49:02
>> You don't want to be that guy that can
00:49:03
give out jokes but can't take it.
00:49:05
>> Yeah. Oh, no. You have to. If if you're
00:49:07
going to make the jokes, you have to
00:49:08
take the jokes.
00:49:09
>> Yeah. You can't be that. You don't want
00:49:10
to be that guy. Nothing's worse than a
00:49:11
comedian that goes and, you know, roast
00:49:14
the people in the crowd and then as soon
00:49:15
as he gets heckled, he [ __ ] has a
00:49:17
brain hernia, you know?
00:49:18
>> So, I don't want to be that guy. And
00:49:22
>> yeah, honestly, I I I just I don't know.
00:49:24
I just love making people laugh. But
00:49:26
going back to what you were saying was I
00:49:28
always passed the drama. And
00:49:32
yeah, I just I don't know. That's it. I
00:49:34
love talking. My parents always said I
00:49:37
had the gift of the gab. I'm that person
00:49:40
that you can drop me in the middle of
00:49:42
Saudi Arabia, the middle of United Arabs
00:49:45
of Emirates
00:49:47
with no money. You come back in a year,
00:49:51
I'll be on a camel
00:49:53
speaking Arabic.
00:49:55
That's me. You throw me to a set of
00:49:58
wolves, I come back leading the pack.
00:50:01
I always believe that I'm him.
00:50:05
Like literally, um that's been my
00:50:08
mindset. And a lot of times people say
00:50:10
that's very arrogant. No,
00:50:11
[clears throat] it's confident. I truly
00:50:13
do believe that I can get myself out of
00:50:15
every situation that I've been in cuz
00:50:17
I've been in situations where my back
00:50:19
was against the wall and I've always
00:50:23
come out of it. There's only one
00:50:24
situation that I think I would have
00:50:26
never been able to come out of is the
00:50:28
Ocean Gate submarine. You remember the
00:50:30
Ocean Gate submarine?
00:50:31
>> What's that?
00:50:32
>> You remember those people, the
00:50:33
billionaires that went into the
00:50:34
submarine?
00:50:35
>> Oh, going down to look at the Titanic.
00:50:36
>> They went down to look at the Titanic.
00:50:38
Yeah. Cuz I can only imagine the lights
00:50:41
cut off.
00:50:42
as as they were going down. I can only
00:50:45
imagine they're looking at the man
00:50:46
saying with with his little uh joystick
00:50:49
trying to control the ocean gate. I can
00:50:51
literally SEE THEM SAYING WHERE WHAT'S
00:50:54
HAPPENING? What can we do? What can we
00:50:57
do? And I can only imagine the man going
00:51:00
there's nothing I can do cuz you can't
00:51:03
swim out. You you're you're in the
00:51:06
middle of nowhere. You can't just open
00:51:08
the door and say well goodbye guys. are
00:51:10
going back up to surfers. You literally
00:51:13
just have to accept your fate then and
00:51:14
there. So, that's probably the only
00:51:16
situation I feel like where you you
00:51:20
there's no other way to avoid that other
00:51:23
than not getting into the submarine in
00:51:25
the first place.
00:51:26
>> But if I'm in a house, I would always
00:51:29
think, oh, I can go out through the back
00:51:30
door. If I'm in the car, I could break
00:51:32
the window.
00:51:33
>> So, that's always been my mindset. But
00:51:34
when I started thinking about that
00:51:36
submarine, I was like, bro, there's no
00:51:38
way you're just dead. like you're done.
00:51:41
>> Yeah, that was a weird that's I forgot
00:51:43
all about that. That was a weird time.
00:51:44
Like there was so many jokes and memes
00:51:46
online and it it's like people got a
00:51:48
sense of glee that these billionaires
00:51:50
>> Yeah.
00:51:50
>> um with the victims was really odd
00:51:52
mentality.
00:51:53
>> Yeah.
00:51:54
>> Almost like a tall poppy sort of thing.
00:51:55
>> But but you know what I find absolutely
00:51:57
funny about that situation is
00:51:59
>> you get the same experience mate
00:52:01
watching on YouTube. [laughter]
00:52:07
You want to Why do you need to travel
00:52:08
anywhere? You
00:52:09
>> That's what I'm saying, mate.
00:52:11
>> You have billions and billions of
00:52:13
[ __ ] dollars. You're in your mansion.
00:52:16
You got your Lamborghini and your
00:52:18
Ferrari up front.
00:52:20
>> Everything is working. Got so much money
00:52:22
you've never dreamed of. And you're
00:52:23
like, "Son, let's go." [laughter]
00:52:27
>> Cuz they could even have YouTube
00:52:28
Premium. No ads.
00:52:29
>> That's what I'm saying. Cuz [snorts]
00:52:32
you're not even really looking at the
00:52:33
ship. You're looking at it through. Did
00:52:35
you see the image? It's like a little
00:52:36
circle. It's a little circle window and
00:52:38
they're staring out there.
00:52:41
>> Why would you pay [ __ ] dollars to go
00:52:44
into a submarine? Probably stinks as
00:52:45
hell because it's a small submarine.
00:52:48
You're in [laughter] there. You're going
00:52:49
all the way down for 7 hours, bro. You
00:52:51
couldn't even let me stay in here for 7
00:52:53
hours. Like, you know what I mean?
00:52:56
>> Oh, I got news coming, son.
00:52:58
>> You [laughter]
00:53:01
Jackson, get rid of the power.
00:53:03
[laughter]
00:53:04
But that's what I'm trying to say to
00:53:06
people is like you it's it's it's just
00:53:09
crazy. It's mindbending.
00:53:12
I will never do anything if I know that
00:53:14
the pros never exceed the cons.
00:53:17
>> So like somebody like I went to the
00:53:19
wired doctors the other day. There's a
00:53:20
place where you can uh it's like a
00:53:23
little gap and then you stand on this
00:53:25
little bench and then it's just the
00:53:27
water there. And my friend would always
00:53:29
be like, "Do you reckon you could stand
00:53:30
there for $50?" And I'm like, mate, the
00:53:34
pros is like they're at $50. The cons is
00:53:38
drown.
00:53:40
If [laughter] you can keep your [ __ ]
00:53:41
50, mate. I don't know. These
00:53:44
billionaires were like, "Yeah, he has a
00:53:46
joystick, you know, that controls the
00:53:49
the thing. We're just signing a waiver
00:53:51
saying that there's a chance we can
00:53:53
die."
00:53:54
But like the the hubris to think that
00:53:58
you can just go in there and nothing's
00:53:59
going to happen is absolutely
00:54:00
ridiculous. M
00:54:01
>> would you have went?
00:54:03
>> [ __ ] no. No. Too scared. Too scared. I'm
00:54:08
probably like you. I'd weigh things up.
00:54:09
>> You have kids?
00:54:10
>> Uh, no. No.
00:54:12
>> Okay. If you Okay. You have a wife?
00:54:15
>> I've got a Yeah, a partner. I've got an
00:54:17
ex-wife sitting out there.
00:54:18
>> Okay. I've got a current partner.
00:54:19
>> Okay. Well, let's say your current
00:54:20
partner. Well, that's Whoa. Did you say
00:54:22
ex-wife and current partner? I don't
00:54:24
know what you have, man. But you
00:54:25
[laughter] you have a spirit of like
00:54:27
getting together, man. That's awesome,
00:54:28
man. I don't know how I could make my
00:54:30
girlfriend and my ex partner be in the
00:54:32
same room, man. It would be Jerry
00:54:34
Springer. Uh, so what I was saying was
00:54:36
as uh [ __ ] what was I talking about?
00:54:38
[laughter]
00:54:40
>> Okay, so if your if somebody close to
00:54:42
you came to you and said, "Dom, let's go
00:54:45
and see Titanic. This means the world to
00:54:47
me. I went and purchased our tickets.
00:54:49
It's about 10,000 a piece and I think
00:54:52
this would be amazing." Somehow I feel
00:54:54
like you would say yes. No, no, no, no,
00:54:57
no.
00:54:57
>> So, you would say no?
00:54:58
>> No. Yeah. I'll give you an example.
00:55:00
Smaller stakes example.
00:55:02
>> Myself and my girlfriend, we went to
00:55:04
Rainbow's End once. She wanted to do the
00:55:05
giant drop. I didn't. She went on the
00:55:07
giant drop. [gasps and laughter] I
00:55:08
stayed on the ground and held held her
00:55:10
bag.
00:55:11
>> Yeah. That's good. That's good,
00:55:13
[laughter] man. Yeah. I would interest.
00:55:15
>> You You're um you're really you're
00:55:17
you're funny.
00:55:18
>> Thank you.
00:55:18
>> Why don't Here's something to think
00:55:21
about.
00:55:23
Why don't you do funny stuff online? Or
00:55:24
if you feel really really strongly about
00:55:26
some of these crazy opinions you've got,
00:55:28
try and get into politics. But it's
00:55:29
funny because a lot of people do think
00:55:31
I'm funny online. My opinions, they find
00:55:33
it funny.
00:55:33
>> Yeah.
00:55:34
>> You know, like I don't try to be funny,
00:55:36
but by default it's funny. It's just
00:55:38
like I'm not trying to be funny to you,
00:55:39
but you just have a laugh because it's
00:55:40
like it's so outrageous that it's funny.
00:55:43
>> You know what I mean? So a lot of times,
00:55:45
like that's the amazing thing about
00:55:47
social media is you can be anything you
00:55:48
want to be. So, it's like I'm speaking
00:55:51
about my opinions and by automatically
00:55:54
I'm a comedian.
00:55:55
>> Mhm.
00:55:55
>> Because I make people laugh. But a lot
00:55:57
of people have been telling me to run in
00:55:59
parliament. They feel like they need a
00:56:01
voice like mine. I can man if I went
00:56:03
into parliament. It would be
00:56:06
it would be crazy, man. It would it it
00:56:09
would be crazy cuz I feel but I feel
00:56:11
like it would be a a a breath of fresh
00:56:14
air. I honestly think it would be
00:56:17
because it would be the first time
00:56:18
you'll see somebody in the House of
00:56:20
Parliament going, "I don't give a [ __ ]
00:56:22
This is how we're going to sort it."
00:56:24
Look, Mr. Speaker, shut your shut your
00:56:27
mouth. [laughter]
00:56:30
Mr. Speaker, shut your mouth. Hey, you
00:56:32
sit down there, Christopher Lux, mate,
00:56:33
when I'm talking to you. I honestly feel
00:56:35
like it would be crazy. It would be a
00:56:37
show, but people would love it.
00:56:39
>> Yeah. And we're like, we're a democracy,
00:56:40
so you put yourself out there. If the
00:56:42
people want it, you get in. Otherwise,
00:56:44
they don't.
00:56:45
>> So, when is your dad still alive?
00:56:47
>> Yeah, he's still alive.
00:56:48
>> Yeah. You made peace with him? Are you
00:56:50
guys?
00:56:50
>> Yeah, we we we you know, you can't fly
00:56:52
when your wings are heavy.
00:56:53
>> Mhm.
00:56:54
>> Um
00:56:55
>> it's never going to be the same again,
00:56:56
though. You can forgive. But
00:56:58
>> yeah, and [clears throat] also as well,
00:56:59
it's like when you hold on to
00:57:01
unforgiveness, the only person that's
00:57:02
getting hurt is you. It's like you're
00:57:04
throwing a sand in a huge gust of wind.
00:57:08
You think that the sand's going to hit
00:57:09
your dad when it's coming into your own
00:57:12
eyes. M
00:57:12
>> there's a little a depiction I would
00:57:14
like to share with you Dom where um this
00:57:17
wife
00:57:19
she came home and the house was unclean
00:57:22
and then she said you ain't getting any
00:57:24
sex tonight to her husband. So at night
00:57:26
time comes she goes into her bed the
00:57:28
husband comes he goes onto the bed the
00:57:31
wife moves off the husband gets closer
00:57:34
the wife moves off all the way to the
00:57:36
point where the wife falls off the bed.
00:57:38
Then the husband's in the bed with a
00:57:39
nice blanket going to sleep while the
00:57:41
wife is shivering on the ground. And
00:57:43
that is a great depiction of
00:57:44
unforgiveness because you think that
00:57:47
you're winning yet you're not.
00:57:49
>> And when you're holding on to this
00:57:50
unforgiveness and you're holding on to
00:57:52
this unresentment, that person that you
00:57:53
hate is like their husband sleeping in a
00:57:56
warm blanket when you're shivering.
00:57:58
>> Yeah. Blissfully unaware. Blissfully
00:58:00
unaware.
00:58:01
>> So yeah, a friend of mine used to say,
00:58:03
um, yeah, anger is like holding on to a
00:58:05
hot rock and hoping someone else gets
00:58:07
burned. Yeah, that's it. Um,
00:58:09
>> variation of what you just said.
00:58:10
>> Yeah. So, I forgive I've forgiven him. I
00:58:12
love him. I love him because he's my
00:58:14
dad. I wouldn't say he's my father,
00:58:16
though.
00:58:17
>> I feel like dad and father is two
00:58:19
differentiations. I believe a dad is a
00:58:21
sperm donor. I believe a father who
00:58:23
raises you.
00:58:25
>> So, I wouldn't say he's my father, but
00:58:28
you know, I said to my mother, don't
00:58:29
think that I'm going to start [ __ ]
00:58:31
sending him love letters and happy daddy
00:58:33
daycare, you know, like happy daddy
00:58:35
father's day. like you ain't going to
00:58:37
see none of that. But
00:58:38
>> you can't make up for that time that's
00:58:40
that's missed and also also the poor way
00:58:42
he treated your mom and you guys.
00:58:44
>> Yeah. Well, when I mentioned him on my
00:58:46
podcast, my family watched the podcast
00:58:48
back and like, "Son, be careful. Like,
00:58:51
your dad's going to watch that and feel
00:58:52
sad." And I'm like, "But
00:58:54
I was sad for like a whole [ __ ] 20
00:58:56
years when he was gone. I'm sure a
00:58:59
little [ __ ] 5 minute podcast would
00:59:00
[ __ ] affect him, mate."
00:59:02
>> Yeah. And yeah, if Steven's dad is
00:59:04
watching this,
00:59:05
>> get the [ __ ] out of your feelings.
00:59:06
[laughter]
00:59:07
>> GET THE [ __ ] OUT OF YOUR FEELINGS.
00:59:09
>> [ __ ] hell.
00:59:10
>> Have you ever um
00:59:13
>> Did growing up, did you ever you ever
00:59:15
had try therapy or go to therapy or
00:59:17
anything? You've got strong views on it
00:59:18
now.
00:59:19
>> Well, the thing is I used to love
00:59:21
therapy in high school counseling
00:59:24
because you didn't have to go to class.
00:59:26
I
00:59:26
>> like the the school guidance counselor
00:59:28
>> honestly. And I used this so much. I
00:59:30
would say cuz they say if you have any
00:59:32
problems go to the school counselor. So
00:59:34
I did that all the time. I kept going to
00:59:36
the school counselor and remember I I
00:59:37
passed in drama. So I'd go to the
00:59:39
counselor and I'll say I feel like I'm
00:59:41
walking a tight rope without a circus
00:59:42
then. I feel like I'm down like so the
00:59:46
counselor will have me in there talking
00:59:47
sending reports to my teacher saying we
00:59:50
need Steven for more lessons to come
00:59:52
into counseling. I think they started to
00:59:54
realize after a while because they
00:59:56
noticed I wasn't coming to class all the
00:59:57
time and then yeah they caught on to
00:59:59
that so I had to go back to class but
01:00:01
but I don't believe in therapy bro what
01:00:03
do you mean
01:00:05
>> damn it like this this chair is like
01:00:07
really
01:00:08
>> yeah how are you do you do you travel
01:00:10
much like look just say I'm fat dog
01:00:14
>> no I'm not going to you are you I mean
01:00:16
you're yeah you're you're overweight
01:00:18
>> you're overweight but I'm just just
01:00:19
wondering like the um yeah the chair has
01:00:21
been like a logistical problem. Well,
01:00:22
the great thing is I have, you know, a
01:00:24
lot of cushion, so it can keep me a, you
01:00:27
know, afloat for a few minutes, you
01:00:29
know, a few hours, you know, I'm I'm a
01:00:31
big boy.
01:00:32
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's there's
01:00:34
there's nothing wrong with that. Apart
01:00:35
from the like the health the health
01:00:36
factor, I've never I'm I wouldn't fat
01:00:39
shame you or anything, though.
01:00:41
>> That's all right. You can fat shame me,
01:00:42
mate. That just pushes me to be the
01:00:44
better version of me.
01:00:45
>> Now, I feel like is that what you get
01:00:46
mainly get online from people trolling
01:00:48
you? People fat shaming you. The thing
01:00:49
is this is like when like people I I did
01:00:52
this vid uh I I made a video this last
01:00:55
time cuz people say Steven's got a small
01:00:56
penis. You know people this has been the
01:00:59
joke for men.
01:01:00
>> Is it is it a small penis?
01:01:01
>> Well, here's the thing, mate. I
01:01:02
[laughter] think my wife thinks it's
01:01:03
nice. I don't know. I think my
01:01:05
girlfriend thinks it's good. Hey,
01:01:08
don't ever [ __ ] ask me.
01:01:11
[laughter] So, what it is is it's okay.
01:01:14
So, I went online and I did a video
01:01:17
where I was like, people will try to
01:01:19
mock me or diss me and say, "Stephven's
01:01:20
got a small penis." And then I would
01:01:22
say, "Well, duh. You think I carry
01:01:25
around a long schlong? You think I carry
01:01:27
around a tree?" Like, if you think that
01:01:30
saying I got a small penis is somehow
01:01:33
surprising, then you clearly don't know
01:01:35
life. Because obviously, just looking at
01:01:38
me, you wouldn't think that I carry
01:01:40
around an anaconda. You know what I
01:01:42
mean? There's no Steve Irwin here. Steve
01:01:44
Asetsu [laughter]
01:01:46
to be to be honest. Up until now, I
01:01:47
hadn't thought about your genitals at
01:01:49
all. [laughter]
01:01:51
>> Well, we'll go back to therapy. Anyways,
01:01:53
I think I might need therapy. I just I
01:01:56
don't believe in therapy because look at
01:01:58
Robin Williams.
01:01:59
>> The most funniest man alive.
01:02:02
He could have sex whenever he wanted. He
01:02:04
had all the money in the world. He was
01:02:06
so rich. But for 10 years, he went to
01:02:09
therapy. And when you go to therapy,
01:02:12
they don't they they talk about your
01:02:15
problems all the time. If I went to
01:02:18
therapy for 10 years talking about how
01:02:20
sad I am, even I would have wanted to
01:02:22
commit suicide. I'm just being real.
01:02:25
>> If Robin came into my to my therapy
01:02:29
class, I would have just said, "Bro, you
01:02:32
live a life that many people don't live.
01:02:34
You have tons of money. You can have sex
01:02:36
with whoever you want. You can travel
01:02:38
the world. You're literally the 1%. Get
01:02:41
the [ __ ] out. Don't ever come here
01:02:42
again. You're so ungrateful. And you
01:02:44
probably still would have been alive.
01:02:45
>> No, but that's that's not how mental
01:02:47
health works. And that's the for for
01:02:49
people like the you the 1% or the 2%ers,
01:02:52
the Robin Williams of the world, the
01:02:53
people that have a heap of money. I
01:02:55
think it can be even even scarier and
01:02:57
lonier place cuz you're like, "What the
01:02:58
[ __ ] is wrong with me? I've got
01:03:00
everything I thought." This is me
01:03:02
speaking from personal experience. So I
01:03:03
I had a a very nice house in uh in
01:03:06
Westmir, which is a a nice leafy suburb
01:03:09
in Oakland.
01:03:10
>> Even sounds expensive. [laughter] West.
01:03:12
>> I had had like a nice heated swimming
01:03:13
pool. It was heated all year round, the
01:03:15
swimming pool. Had a spa pool. I had a a
01:03:17
a small room in the house that was a
01:03:20
nothing room. So I turned into a
01:03:21
library. I had a [ __ ] library. It was
01:03:23
like I was living in the Pluto house.
01:03:25
>> There was a second lounge which I never
01:03:27
went into.
01:03:28
>> I I had everything I thought was going
01:03:30
to make me happy. and you you accumulate
01:03:32
all this material wealth and then you
01:03:33
you realize you you still feel empty and
01:03:36
it's a scary place to be.
01:03:38
>> Yeah. But that ain't going to lead you
01:03:39
to take your life off. [laughter]
01:03:41
>> No. No. But that's that's
01:03:42
>> you know what I mean? Like
01:03:43
>> that's why I'm saying it's like you I
01:03:47
feel like it's absolutely disgraceful to
01:03:49
be living the life that most people
01:03:50
don't live and for you to so like Liam
01:03:53
the guy from One Direction who dropped
01:03:55
who jumped off the hotel.
01:03:59
that guy had like there was they said
01:04:01
they recorded a conversation of him like
01:04:03
there was a bystander because he
01:04:05
committed um suicide the next day, but
01:04:08
apparently he was in the um in a cafe
01:04:11
screaming at his laptop talking to
01:04:13
somebody on FaceTime saying
01:04:15
>> he goes, "I got $25 million. I can do
01:04:18
whatever I want."
01:04:19
>> Yeah. He he was he was high at the time.
01:04:21
So I don't think he was in a like a
01:04:22
right frame of mind.
01:04:24
>> But therapy um I don't don't knock it
01:04:26
till you try. I I found I was very
01:04:28
reluctant to go and I think a lot of it
01:04:30
was based around fear. I didn't want to
01:04:31
go and in my sort of mid to late 40s I
01:04:34
went and um
01:04:35
>> I found it really beneficial. It just
01:04:37
gives you a different way of like
01:04:38
framing things.
01:04:39
>> So you're not you're not going there
01:04:40
like talking about the same problem over
01:04:42
and over again.
01:04:42
>> Well, the thing is I'm therapy is
01:04:44
literally you finding the answers. A
01:04:46
therapist can't give you personal
01:04:47
advice. They can only lay out options
01:04:49
and ask questions for you to find the
01:04:51
advice yourself. I don't need someone to
01:04:53
ask me questions for me to find who I
01:04:55
am.
01:04:57
I know who I am because I've lived in
01:04:59
this body forever. So, I'm not going to
01:05:01
let someone else try to navigate a way
01:05:02
for me to find out who I am. I already
01:05:05
know who I am.
01:05:06
>> You know what I mean? So,
01:05:07
>> but you only know what you know. And a
01:05:09
trained therapist, I'm not talking about
01:05:11
a school guidance counselor here. Like a
01:05:12
a good trained therapist can just give
01:05:14
you a different a different way of
01:05:16
looking at things, like a different
01:05:17
perspective that maybe you haven't seen
01:05:18
before.
01:05:19
>> Yeah, perhaps. But for me, it just
01:05:21
doesn't work for me to be honest. Yeah.
01:05:23
Like I'll probably have a laugh and a
01:05:25
chuckle if I walked into therapy and
01:05:27
they said, "So tell me like how does
01:05:29
your heart feel? I'd [ __ ] probably
01:05:32
burst into laughter, mate."
01:05:33
>> They don't ask how your heart
01:05:34
>> honestly if I went in there and they
01:05:35
going, "Do you smell the roses and
01:05:38
lavenders flying from the sky?" I like,
01:05:39
"Mate, get the [ __ ] out [laughter] of
01:05:40
here."
01:05:41
>> Yeah.
01:05:41
>> Yeah. Um,
01:05:46
Steven, Steven, Steven. Um,
01:05:48
>> but I must say, bro, I really enjoy
01:05:50
>> I've been on a few podcasts and I really
01:05:53
enjoy this one. And obviously there's
01:05:55
going to be some angry people that are
01:05:56
going to watch this and there's going to
01:05:58
be some people that are going to laugh
01:05:59
and have a chuckle about this.
01:06:01
>> But I appreciate this, Dom, cuz this is
01:06:03
probably the most realist podcast I've
01:06:04
been on. I feel like there's a lot of
01:06:06
people that are on in the podcast space
01:06:10
where they're too afraid to go against
01:06:13
their guest's belief. M
01:06:15
>> so a guest would come in and a guest
01:06:18
would say stuff but they're trying to
01:06:19
make a conversation flow so then they
01:06:21
would just start yes they're being
01:06:24
yesmens this is the first time I've ever
01:06:26
been here where you've where I've said
01:06:28
something like no no no come on boom but
01:06:31
then at the same time you would agree
01:06:32
but then at the same time you would kick
01:06:34
back and wanting to know in my life it's
01:06:36
like very nuance it's like so that's I'm
01:06:39
giving you flowers buddy for that
01:06:41
>> thanks mate well I I think you can we've
01:06:42
just lost the art of being a to like
01:06:44
conversations with people like everyone
01:06:46
everyone has an opinion but I think a
01:06:47
lot of people
01:06:49
>> they've they've lost the ability to have
01:06:51
like a rationale
01:06:52
>> Yeah
01:06:52
>> conversation around it just and I just
01:06:55
want to figure out like what makes you
01:06:56
tick a little bit more that's it
01:06:57
>> yeah yeah and and it's great I prefer I
01:07:00
prefer podcasts like this to be honest
01:07:02
and I'm glad it's on a big stage I do
01:07:04
believe you are the Wrestlemania of
01:07:06
wrestling in terms of [laughter]
01:07:07
>> WrestleMania wrestling I've been called
01:07:09
a lot of things today that I've never
01:07:11
been called before
01:07:11
>> yeah I honestly believe it cuz I I don't
01:07:13
know who would be a bigger podcast than
01:07:15
you? And this is not even me being a
01:07:16
dick. Like I don't even know who would
01:07:18
be. I don't think I think you're leading
01:07:20
the pack in in in terms of the game. And
01:07:23
I think you know too that you are
01:07:24
leading the pack. I don't think there's
01:07:25
any podcast that's bigger than your name
01:07:28
right now. You know, you got Duncan
01:07:30
Ghana. He's amazing. But I don't think D
01:07:32
I I feel like Duncan Ghana doesn't have
01:07:34
the pool that you have.
01:07:35
>> Yeah.
01:07:36
>> I feel like you got a stronger pool.
01:07:38
>> Yeah.
01:07:39
>> I appreciate that a lot. Um, so what
01:07:42
makes you happy these days?
01:07:44
[sighs and gasps]
01:07:46
>> Winning.
01:07:47
>> What does what does winning look like?
01:07:50
>> Proving the haters wrong and proving
01:07:51
myself right.
01:07:52
>> Yeah,
01:07:53
>> that gets to me, I think, but but that's
01:07:55
always been the masculine imperative.
01:07:57
>> It's a It's not a bad fuel, eh? Like um,
01:08:00
you know, turning, you know, using your
01:08:02
haters as motivators, but it's not the
01:08:04
best fuel there, is it?
01:08:05
>> Well, I always I always say this. I say
01:08:08
from the dawn of human time, men have
01:08:12
always wanted to be proud.
01:08:15
Um, you know, peacocking when, you know,
01:08:18
when they used to take over a tribe,
01:08:19
they would take one of the feathers and
01:08:21
put it on their hat
01:08:22
>> because it would show that I'm proud.
01:08:24
That's why medals were invented,
01:08:26
medallions are invented because it's a
01:08:28
sense of bragging rights. I always say
01:08:30
to men, never chase happiness, chase
01:08:32
being proud.
01:08:33
>> What made you proud today? Let women and
01:08:36
children chase happiness. You just chase
01:08:37
being proud because if you be proud by
01:08:40
default you'll be happy.
01:08:43
>> So I like winning because that makes me
01:08:46
proud. You know when people like I got
01:08:49
asked on a podcast the other time,
01:08:51
what's your why? And I said my why is to
01:08:55
prove to myself every single day that I
01:08:56
matter. Prove to myself every single day
01:08:58
that I can win.
01:09:00
>> Because there's a lot of people that
01:09:01
don't want me to win, Dom.
01:09:02
>> Yeah. But are are you chasing happiness
01:09:05
though even if you're even if maybe
01:09:07
you're not conscious of it like when
01:09:10
you're when you're um eating bad food or
01:09:12
when you post something on Tik Tok or
01:09:15
Instagram and then you watch the likes
01:09:16
go up.
01:09:17
>> I don't look at the likes and that so I
01:09:20
I on my content cuz I know inevitably
01:09:23
I'll get a lot of views on my videos.
01:09:26
>> But I do [ __ ] get happy when I see it
01:09:28
blow up on on other podcasts. I'll give
01:09:31
you a prime example. When I went on to
01:09:32
the Dave Latelli podcast, and I might
01:09:34
not I'm supposed to probably not even
01:09:36
share this, but I'm going to share it
01:09:36
anyways. I went on his podcast. It's
01:09:38
called Unfiltered, and they
01:09:40
[clears throat] have a sponsor called
01:09:41
The Fanaticals. I think that's that's
01:09:44
their sponsor. When they when Dave told
01:09:46
them that I was coming on, they looked
01:09:48
at my social media profile, they
01:09:50
searched me up, and they're like, "Why
01:09:51
should we get them on?
01:09:53
Why why why should we get them on?" like
01:09:55
the people that we've had on, the Joe
01:09:56
Damon's, the Lewis Davies, these people
01:09:59
that have millions and millions of
01:10:00
followers. Why should we get Steven on?
01:10:03
And then Dave said, "Trust me, this guy
01:10:06
has influence." Soon as I came on there,
01:10:08
I beat every single person in views.
01:10:11
Every single person that they thought
01:10:12
was going to outvview me, I outvviewed
01:10:14
them in two days.
01:10:16
And that makes me happy, [laughter]
01:10:18
>> does it?
01:10:19
>> Yeah, that makes me happy because I'm
01:10:20
like, "You [ __ ] you doubted me,
01:10:21
but guess what? I I beat your ass down,
01:10:24
you know?
01:10:25
Because people also got to understand,
01:10:26
I've had multiple accounts banned. If I
01:10:29
never had my accounts banned, I probably
01:10:31
would be one of the most viewed in the
01:10:33
whole of New Zealand. I had a 1.5
01:10:35
million Tik Tok following account in 6
01:10:38
months.
01:10:40
Banned.
01:10:40
>> Why? Why were you banned?
01:10:41
>> Hate speech.
01:10:43
>> What did you say?
01:10:44
>> Well, oh, some like stuff that we said
01:10:46
now.
01:10:46
>> Oh, okay.
01:10:47
>> And they said there was hate speech. And
01:10:48
I was like, who who made you the arbit
01:10:50
of what's hate speech?
01:10:52
>> Cuz to other people, they agreed with
01:10:53
it. So they're not saying it's hate
01:10:55
speech.
01:10:56
>> Yeah. I suppose some of the things you
01:10:57
say it's probably just not not helpful.
01:11:00
Maybe.
01:11:00
>> Well, it's not helpful to the people
01:11:02
that don't find it helpful.
01:11:03
>> Yeah.
01:11:04
>> But it's helpful to It's like people
01:11:06
will say to me, "You don't care about
01:11:08
people's feelings." But then I get
01:11:09
testimonies in my DMs that tell me, "You
01:11:12
made me leave a 5-year marriage. You
01:11:14
made me not commit suicide. You made me
01:11:16
walk away from something that I couldn't
01:11:17
walk away from." So,
01:11:21
you know what I mean?
01:11:22
>> Yeah. Yeah,
01:11:23
>> if I never did these videos, yeah, there
01:11:25
might be 10 people that I don't like,
01:11:27
but as long as I got one person that
01:11:29
didn't commit suicide, from that one
01:11:31
person, a whole family tree can come
01:11:32
from it.
01:11:35
>> Yeah. But I'm I'm just thinking of like
01:11:38
the the the gay and the trans stuff that
01:11:40
you've done. Like if you're if you're a
01:11:41
kid that's watching that that's maybe in
01:11:43
the closet or confused about their
01:11:44
sexuality and how they feel, it probably
01:11:46
wouldn't make them feel very good.
01:11:47
>> Well, the thing is I think I've haven't
01:11:48
really said anything bad about gay
01:11:50
people. Like I I've I've actually said
01:11:52
they're actually good people and amazing
01:11:54
people and they I got gay friends. All I
01:11:56
said is the agenda that they're trying
01:11:58
to push. Like they're trying to say that
01:12:00
you can be whatever gender you want to
01:12:02
be. I feel like yes, that's okay if
01:12:04
they're 18, but don't push that on them
01:12:06
now.
01:12:07
>> I feel like that's not fair.
01:12:09
>> I think that's not fair to get drag
01:12:10
queens to go and read to 5-year-old kids
01:12:13
at schools. That's not fair. I don't
01:12:15
think that's that fair at all. I don't
01:12:17
even think it's fair to let Christianity
01:12:19
pastors to go into school and do Bible
01:12:22
readings. I don't think that's fair at
01:12:23
all because that's when they're the most
01:12:26
impressionable. They're the most
01:12:27
impressionable at 5, six, seven. And if
01:12:30
if you don't think it's nice for the
01:12:33
pope or pastor to go and read Bible
01:12:36
readings to kids that are five, then you
01:12:38
should also agree that you shouldn't let
01:12:40
drag queens come and read gay books to
01:12:43
kids.
01:12:45
What's a gay book?
01:12:46
>> No, just [laughter]
01:12:53
I mean read books to kids. [laughter]
01:12:55
Sorry.
01:12:56
>> Right. Right. So So maybe a bisexual
01:12:58
book. We don't
01:12:59
>> or just a book a gay [laughter] book.
01:13:01
The book is a gay book, bro.
01:13:04
>> But look, all I'm saying is um [ __ ] gay
01:13:08
[laughter] book. Who Who stood up for
01:13:10
you when you were being bullied at
01:13:11
school?
01:13:12
>> No one.
01:13:14
no one. And that's why I want to be that
01:13:16
bastion of truth and that beacon of
01:13:18
light. Like I want to show people that
01:13:20
when they see me that you can get
01:13:22
through with it. And I'm making like um
01:13:25
fat people cool in a way because I'm so
01:13:29
out the gate with my content. I have my
01:13:31
shirt off. Sometimes I'm eating with my
01:13:33
shirt off and that is not normal. Like
01:13:38
you only you don't eat on the camera
01:13:39
with your shirt off and everything
01:13:40
exposing. But now when I do a fat,
01:13:42
people are like, "Man, I love this. If
01:13:43
you could do that, I could do it."
01:13:45
>> See, why don't you just do the funny
01:13:47
content?
01:13:48
>> I do funny content.
01:13:49
>> Yeah, but just do the funny content.
01:13:50
Like, what what brand deals do you get?
01:13:53
You'd be too hot, wouldn't you? Too hot
01:13:54
to work with.
01:13:55
>> That's why I mentioned that I I've been
01:13:56
dropped so many times from brand deals.
01:13:58
I had big big brand deals that would
01:14:00
message me, but then they do their
01:14:02
research and they've dropped me. Um, so
01:14:04
I knew I couldn't work with none of
01:14:06
them. So, what I did was is I said,
01:14:07
"Okay, well, I'm going to start from
01:14:08
small family businesses." So I cuz I
01:14:11
knew family businesses needed me more
01:14:13
than I needed them. I'm the ones with
01:14:15
the followers and the influence. They
01:14:16
only have 100 followers.
01:14:18
>> So when I started selling things,
01:14:20
promoting them,
01:14:22
>> I had all these small family businesses
01:14:24
underneath me that big franchise
01:14:28
companies started looking in and were
01:14:30
like, "Oo, okay. Well, let's work with
01:14:32
him." Yeah, he might be a [ __ ]
01:14:34
online, but the numbers don't lie. M
01:14:37
>> he's got like 50 70 food reviews, you
01:14:40
know what I mean? So, but Oh, yeah. It's
01:14:43
hard to work with me. But when you have
01:14:46
me on, I'm a gunner. I do have some
01:14:48
other brand deals that work with me, but
01:14:49
they're controversial as well. So,
01:14:51
they've helped me and pushed me. So,
01:14:53
>> all right. What like
01:14:54
>> I don't know, Dom. I don't know. I know.
01:14:56
I don't know. We can't speak about those
01:14:57
companies, but
01:14:58
>> Well, like like N1 Bets and
01:15:00
>> I don't know. What is N1 Bets? Tell me
01:15:02
all about [laughter] them.
01:15:04
>> I don't know. I read about I I got an
01:15:06
email from them, but I just assumed it
01:15:07
was like a scam thing.
01:15:09
>> You don't want you don't want to do
01:15:10
casinos and all that. That's not you.
01:15:11
[snorts]
01:15:12
>> I I did I did a um a sponsorship deal
01:15:16
last year with um Betcher, which is part
01:15:18
of the tab.
01:15:19
>> Yep. So,
01:15:20
>> did you get did you get heat for that?
01:15:22
>> Not as much as what I thought I would,
01:15:23
actually.
01:15:24
>> Yeah.
01:15:24
>> No.
01:15:25
>> What's your thoughts on gambling?
01:15:27
>> I'm My thoughts on gambling are probably
01:15:29
the same as my thoughts on junk food,
01:15:31
alcohol, [ __ ] tobacco, vaping. I'm a
01:15:35
huge believer in just arming people with
01:15:37
information and then letting them make
01:15:39
their own choices.
01:15:39
>> Yeah, I'm 100% agree with you. I find it
01:15:42
funny how I promote food. So, I promote
01:15:45
food every day. Not one person ever says
01:15:47
to me, "Stephen, you're the reason why
01:15:49
I'm fat." But when you promote gambling,
01:15:52
all of a sudden you become the reason
01:15:54
that they're broke.
01:15:55
>> It's weird. They blame you for making
01:15:58
them broke when you promote gambling,
01:15:59
but they don't blame you for promoting
01:16:01
for making them fat when you promote
01:16:03
food. For some reason, they demonize
01:16:05
gambling more than they do demonize
01:16:07
obesity, but I would argue obesity is a
01:16:08
bigger epidemic than gambling ever is,
01:16:11
>> but they just it's strange.
01:16:15
[sighs]
01:16:15
>> What's um what's been the biggest uh
01:16:17
sort of adversity or challenge you've
01:16:19
been through? Is it your your dad
01:16:20
leaving or is it [laughter]
01:16:23
>> um nothing much really? I I mentioned
01:16:25
this before. It's just allegations. I've
01:16:28
had stupid allegations of people just
01:16:30
saying the most heinous, stupid,
01:16:31
ridiculous things, but like
01:16:33
>> well like I looked on when you Google
01:16:35
your name it comes up um Steven Cedu
01:16:37
allegations and I did a bit of a deep
01:16:39
dive in it. You did have you got a
01:16:41
conviction from impersonating a security
01:16:43
guard?
01:16:44
>> No. So basically Well, that is a
01:16:46
conviction. That's a truth. So that
01:16:47
>> what's you doing?
01:16:50
>> No. So what No. So, what happened was I
01:16:53
had a friend I had a friend that needed
01:16:56
me to work on the doors and I didn't
01:16:59
have a COA and he gave me a COA.
01:17:02
>> What's that certificate of
01:17:03
>> of of approval?
01:17:04
>> Okay.
01:17:05
>> Cuz you can't be a security guard
01:17:07
without um actual qualifications from
01:17:09
the government and I did a few doors. I
01:17:12
became very, as you know, I'm a very
01:17:14
charismatic guy. So, I became loved in
01:17:15
the community. But I became loved in the
01:17:18
community without an actual security
01:17:19
license. And you know, the police does
01:17:21
their checkups and they did a checkup
01:17:23
and they realized I wasn't I wasn't a
01:17:26
security guard. And then that's when I
01:17:28
got an infringement. I got a I got a
01:17:30
convicted. But what the
01:17:31
>> what's the conviction for? Like for
01:17:33
fraud or impersonating a
01:17:34
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um for being unlicensed,
01:17:37
being unlicensed security guard.
01:17:38
>> So I had the qualifications. So I I
01:17:41
studied how to be a security guard. I
01:17:43
just didn't get the license. Okay. So
01:17:44
it's like a lawyer practicing law
01:17:47
without a law without a law license. But
01:17:49
he knows everything about the law,
01:17:51
>> right?
01:17:52
>> Yeah. Like the the episode Suits, I
01:17:54
think that's what it is. The lawyer, he
01:17:56
doesn't go to law school, but he knows
01:17:58
everything.
01:17:58
>> Okay. Yeah. I think they call they call
01:18:00
that there's a name for that. It's like
01:18:01
a bush lawyer. Um there's lot like a lot
01:18:03
of people that are incarcerated that
01:18:04
study law are known as like a bush
01:18:07
lawyer.
01:18:08
>> When I was like me, I I got all the
01:18:09
qualifications to be a dorman.
01:18:11
>> I just didn't have the license.
01:18:12
>> Okay. Is is that that the only legal
01:18:14
trouble you've been in?
01:18:15
>> Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, that's one of
01:18:17
them. And the other ones is like pity
01:18:19
fines. For me, I countered that because
01:18:22
I started building a massive portfolio.
01:18:24
So the brands now have to work with me.
01:18:26
>> They have to now work with me. It's like
01:18:28
those rappers that um you know become
01:18:31
famous rappers. If you look into their
01:18:33
history, they like criminal activity,
01:18:35
all this sort of stuff like cuz you know
01:18:37
they got guns and all of that. But then
01:18:39
these big companies like Nike and all of
01:18:41
that starts working with them because
01:18:43
they got like 1.7 million followers. So
01:18:47
they're like, "Well, even though he's a
01:18:48
criminal,
01:18:50
>> but he's got the influence.
01:18:51
>> Too too big to ignore."
01:18:53
>> Yeah. He's [snorts] too big to ignore.
01:18:54
So I've built my brand on so many food
01:18:58
reviews that big companies can't say no
01:19:00
to me no more.
01:19:02
>> What's your what's your inner voice
01:19:03
like? So when we finish this chat today,
01:19:05
you turned up here today on your own. So
01:19:07
when we finish this chat, you'll be back
01:19:09
in your car driving home. You're going
01:19:10
to be stuck in afternoon traffic, by the
01:19:12
way. Sorry about that.
01:19:14
>> Probably an hour hour on your own in
01:19:15
your own thoughts. What do you like? You
01:19:17
talk to yourself nicely.
01:19:18
>> This is what I'm going to do. I'm going
01:19:19
to get in my car and I'm going to sit
01:19:21
down. I'm going to lean back and say,
01:19:24
"Where's the closest McDonald's?" I feel
01:19:27
like the closest McDonald's is probably
01:19:29
[ __ ] up the road.
01:19:30
>> Great North Road.
01:19:31
>> Yeah. Great North Road. I'm going to go
01:19:32
and get me that cheesy bacon sandwich.
01:19:34
Then I'm going to drive home and I'm
01:19:35
going to be like, "That was a super long
01:19:37
podcast. That [ __ ] hurt my ass like
01:19:39
never before." [laughter]
01:19:40
>> Have you got a Have Have you Have you
01:19:42
actually got a sore butt,
01:19:43
>> mate? Look, I thought I had enough
01:19:45
cushion to protect it, mate. But I
01:19:46
didn't realize it penetrated. But it's
01:19:48
all right. It's fine. It's not the
01:19:49
chair's fault. I don't make excuses. The
01:19:52
chair The chair is probably like saying,
01:19:53
"Well, I didn't know a fat guy was going
01:19:55
to sit on me, so it's okay."
01:19:56
>> Did do you do you avoid like flying and
01:19:58
going on planes for that reason? Those
01:20:00
those seats are [ __ ] narrow.
01:20:01
>> The thing is, it's not it's it's
01:20:05
when they come up to you and they say,
01:20:07
"Do you want the belt extender?"
01:20:10
M
01:20:10
>> I've went up to them and I would say it
01:20:12
silently as I walk in. I'm like, "Hey,
01:20:15
just the belt extender seat number
01:20:17
this." For some strange reason, they're
01:20:20
dumb as [ __ ] cuz every time I sit down,
01:20:21
they're like this. Steven, [laughter]
01:20:25
YOU WANT THE BELT EXTENDER.
01:20:29
[laughter]
01:20:30
[gasps] HONESTLY, it pisses me off, man.
01:20:34
It piss me off. And then they come up
01:20:36
and then they give you the bell extender
01:20:38
and then all of a sudden they want to be
01:20:39
quiet. They go, "Yeah, BUT [laughter]
01:20:43
they come up, they're like, "Yeah, it's
01:20:44
okay. Nice."
01:20:46
>> It's just like the bank when you go to
01:20:47
the bank when you have no [ __ ] money and
01:20:49
you go there, go to the till and you're
01:20:50
like, "Can I just uh withdraw out
01:20:54
>> $14?" And then they're like, "Excuse me,
01:20:57
$14." And they go, " $14? Is that what
01:20:59
you want?" Like, "Bro, shut up.
01:21:02
>> Keep it down, mate. [laughter] Chill."
01:21:05
Yeah. So that's the only thing is but
01:21:06
you know I promise you do can we make a
01:21:08
deal and I would want to do it now so
01:21:09
that way you don't have to backtrack.
01:21:11
When I lose all my weight can I come
01:21:12
back on your show?
01:21:13
>> Of course.
01:21:14
>> Is that a deal?
01:21:14
>> Yeah of course. Of course.
01:21:15
>> That's it. So when I lose give me a
01:21:17
weight loss. Give me give me give me
01:21:19
give me 100 kgs.
01:21:20
>> What's what's your goal weight?
01:21:22
>> My goal is 100 kgs.
01:21:23
>> So when I go 100 kgs I'll do a video
01:21:25
where I say Dom Harvey I've lost 100
01:21:28
kgs. I'll find this snippet inside the
01:21:31
in your podcast. Attach it. Deal.
01:21:34
>> Yeah. I'll be back on the show.
01:21:35
>> You'll come back and you'll be like,
01:21:36
"These seats are so comfortable for a
01:21:38
slender man."
01:21:39
>> I want the same seat. I'll look at that
01:21:41
seat. I'm like, "You bastard gave me a
01:21:43
grievance the other time."
01:21:44
>> Well, is it a good idea to be getting
01:21:46
McDonald's on the way home?
01:21:48
>> It was a joke, but yeah, it was it was a
01:21:50
funny joke. What what my inner thoughts
01:21:52
is like is
01:21:54
>> work. I just work. I'm a workhorse. You
01:21:57
see it too, bro. Have you seen I'm
01:21:58
always posting every day. Always have
01:22:00
something new that I post about every
01:22:02
day. I'm I'm always constantly working.
01:22:04
you. What does an average day look like?
01:22:06
>> Work, work, work, work, work. I have a
01:22:08
cameraman that follows me everywhere I
01:22:10
go. Yeah. Everywhere except for today.
01:22:13
>> But after this, I have to go and meet
01:22:15
him to record.
01:22:16
>> Yeah. So, it's just
01:22:19
my life has become so much about working
01:22:23
that I can't stop because it's the fear
01:22:25
of nothing cuz I've came from nothing.
01:22:29
>> So, like I could have a billion dollars.
01:22:31
cuz I could be sitting on a billion
01:22:32
dollars, but I would still fear that it
01:22:33
will be taken away from me the next day.
01:22:36
>> And and I guess it's that trauma of
01:22:39
having nothing that I'm scared to go
01:22:41
back to nothing.
01:22:42
>> So that's what pushes me to keep going
01:22:45
every single day.
01:22:46
>> Yeah. But even though you had nothing,
01:22:47
it feels like um like with your mom and
01:22:49
what she created for you guys, you had
01:22:51
everything in a way.
01:22:52
>> Yeah. Yeah. I would say that too. Yeah.
01:22:54
We had family, we had love,
01:22:57
and um it's it's a bit weird now for my
01:22:59
siblings to see me because I'm sort of
01:23:01
that one person that's made it, you
01:23:02
know, that one person that's made it.
01:23:04
You know what I mean? Like out of your
01:23:06
family, you know, you're on the big
01:23:08
screens, you're on the bright lights of
01:23:09
your name and things like that.
01:23:11
>> So when they watch it, they're like,
01:23:12
"That's my baby brother. That's my
01:23:14
brother."
01:23:15
>> But when I'm with them, as you know,
01:23:18
it's very grounding. You know, when
01:23:19
you're back with family, you just go
01:23:20
back to like
01:23:22
>> everything is in in the background when
01:23:23
you're with family.
01:23:24
>> Yeah.
01:23:25
>> Yeah.
01:23:25
>> Who Yeah. Was your Was your Who was the
01:23:28
disciplinarian in your household? Did
01:23:29
your mom have to be the nurturer and the
01:23:31
>> No, cuz So I had a It was my older
01:23:33
sister, my older brother. So when my mom
01:23:36
wanted to discipline me, she would tell
01:23:38
my older brother, "You have to do it.
01:23:40
[laughter]
01:23:42
>> That's unfair."
01:23:43
>> And my older brother would walk in like
01:23:44
my Tyson mate. As soon as my [laughter]
01:23:46
soon as my mom would tell my older
01:23:48
brother, he'd be like this. Where? So
01:23:50
what what
01:23:52
it was annoying. But yeah,
01:23:54
>> what's your relationship with him like
01:23:55
now?
01:23:56
>> He's a pastor.
01:23:56
>> Oh, [laughter] is he?
01:23:58
>> Has he apologized or he's apologized?
01:24:00
I'm like, [ __ ] mate, you're
01:24:02
going to hell. But [laughter]
01:24:06
>> yeah, now that's what's basically been.
01:24:07
It was just he did the disciplining. But
01:24:11
>> yeah, it is what it is. What are um what
01:24:13
would you say your best and worst habits
01:24:15
are?
01:24:16
>> I eat a lot.
01:24:18
>> That would be the worst habit.
01:24:22
>> My best habit
01:24:24
is I don't give a [ __ ] about anybody.
01:24:27
>> It's a powerful position to be in to get
01:24:29
to that point.
01:24:30
>> Yeah.
01:24:31
>> I I don't [ __ ] I don't know. I'm
01:24:34
probably projecting here, but I'd argue
01:24:35
no one ever really gets to that point.
01:24:36
Like you read a a a hateful comment, it
01:24:40
always hurts. For me, it doesn't because
01:24:42
I believe that opinions only matter from
01:24:43
people who you love and respect.
01:24:46
So, if I don't love you and I don't
01:24:48
respect you, your opinion will never
01:24:49
hold weight with me.
01:24:51
>> If you don't have my cell phone number
01:24:53
in your phone,
01:24:55
your problem shouldn't be that big
01:24:57
>> with me because I if an opinion from my
01:25:01
mom would hurt me more than opinion from
01:25:04
10,000 haters.
01:25:07
>> So, that's how I keep track of it.
01:25:09
>> Yeah. hate comments never get to me.
01:25:11
>> Also, um yeah, anyone that writes um a
01:25:14
hate comment online, it's it it's kind
01:25:16
of a loser. Like you think of all like
01:25:18
the the biggest winners in New Zealand,
01:25:20
like say like Richie Mccor or Lord or
01:25:24
Christopher Luxon and insert any name of
01:25:27
a winner you want. They're not sitting
01:25:28
at home writing comments on a stranger's
01:25:30
>> Yeah.
01:25:31
>> you know, Tik Tok profile. They're just
01:25:33
not. They're busy winning.
01:25:35
>> And if you see hate comments, then your
01:25:37
following is not that big. I always say
01:25:39
that it's like if you know how much
01:25:40
money you have in your bank account,
01:25:41
then you probably don't have that much
01:25:43
money.
01:25:44
>> So I I don't really see hate comments.
01:25:47
Like I'm pretty sure if I went on The
01:25:49
Rock's page right now on his Instagram
01:25:51
page and said, "You're an idiot." I
01:25:53
don't think The Rock would be going.
01:25:56
>> Who's this guy?
01:25:57
>> He [laughter] called me an idiot.
01:25:59
>> You know what I mean? He's worried about
01:26:01
where do I put my a million dollars, you
01:26:02
know? So that is what it is, bro.
01:26:04
>> Do you have any regrets?
01:26:06
>> Nope.
01:26:07
probably eating too much but no not
01:26:09
really
01:26:10
>> don't have regrets man
01:26:11
>> and I know this sounds cliche but you
01:26:13
live life with no regrets and it made
01:26:15
you who who you are
01:26:17
>> but I don't have any regrets
01:26:19
>> what say say you um say you you pass
01:26:23
away and it's your funeral
01:26:25
>> um this question I ask all my guests is
01:26:28
this like the final question is this the
01:26:30
one oh one of yeah yeah you're one of
01:26:31
the final ones this something I like to
01:26:33
ask all my guests cuz it's um
01:26:35
>> can you edit this parts where I keep
01:26:36
standing up cuz I'm standing up so many
01:26:38
times. [laughter]
01:26:40
I'm standing up so many times. You can
01:26:42
leave it hurt, but Jesus, I'm standing
01:26:43
so many times. Yeah.
01:26:44
>> Um, so imagine it's your funeral and
01:26:46
your friends and family, they they have
01:26:48
to come up with three words that
01:26:50
describe you and describe the way you
01:26:52
lived your life. Um, the reason I like
01:26:55
asking this question about what those
01:26:56
three words would be is I think if you
01:26:59
if if it's sort of like reverse
01:27:01
engineering, if you can come up with
01:27:02
those three words and then use that as
01:27:04
sort of like your north star,
01:27:06
>> you can live in a way where hopefully
01:27:08
when it comes to the end, they will be
01:27:09
the three words.
01:27:11
>> Yeah.
01:27:11
>> What would you like the those three
01:27:12
words to be? [snorts]
01:27:14
>> People that matter to you to say at your
01:27:16
funeral.
01:27:19
and he
01:27:22
never gave up.
01:27:25
I've just never given up, bro. That's
01:27:28
always been me.
01:27:30
And I feel like my family and that like
01:27:33
my mom's even like they all they're all
01:27:36
in tears when they when they started
01:27:38
seeing me make a name for myself because
01:27:41
there was many times where a lot of
01:27:42
people thought that I could never do it.
01:27:45
M
01:27:46
>> but now I'm here at the Dom Harvey
01:27:47
podcast.
01:27:49
>> You know what I mean? So, never give up.
01:27:52
He's just the guy that never gives up.
01:27:55
>> And you proud of yourself?
01:27:57
>> Always proud. Always proud. Always
01:28:00
[ __ ] proud, man. I came a guy, six
01:28:03
kids.
01:28:07
So, sorry. [laughter]
01:28:08
A serious moment. My dog's probably
01:28:10
scratcher. Scratcher. You keep your eyes
01:28:12
off him. He's not a snack. [laughter]
01:28:15
So, six kids, solo mother. Six kids,
01:28:18
solo mother. Came from nothing. Housing
01:28:21
New Zealand house complex, state housing
01:28:24
to
01:28:25
getting so much hate online to now
01:28:27
becoming one of the most, I would argue
01:28:31
probably one of the most prominent
01:28:32
influential people in the Polynesian
01:28:34
culture.
01:28:35
>> And people like to disagree with that,
01:28:37
but I'm like make the numbers speak for
01:28:38
itself. went on mandate. They've had
01:28:41
many [ __ ] powerful names on mandate.
01:28:44
Boom. Broke the record. Many powerful
01:28:46
names on day. Boom. Break the record. So
01:28:49
whether you like it or not, hey, bro.
01:28:51
Even uh Duncan Ghana, I broke the
01:28:56
record.
01:28:57
So whether people like it or not, people
01:28:59
will listen and people watch
01:29:02
>> and they will never want to admit it,
01:29:04
but they will. Like I said, I'm a car
01:29:06
crash.
01:29:08
The car crash may be gruesome. The car
01:29:10
crash may be bloody. Oh, [ __ ] you. Keep
01:29:13
watching the car crash.
01:29:15
That's Steel.
01:29:17
[sighs]
01:29:18
>> I think we're done.
01:29:19
>> Yeah.
01:29:20
>> Yeah,
01:29:20
>> that's it, man. I want to thank you for
01:29:22
letting me on your podcast, bro. But,
01:29:24
uh, I'm going to finish out the classic
01:29:26
way how Steph will finish it.
01:29:28
>> How's that
01:29:32
translated? It means goodbye in Sour.
01:29:35
>> I love it.
