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first. >> Bryce Casey, welcome to my podcast. >> Dom Harvey, nice to be here. It's weird.
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I listen to your podcast and watch your podcast more than any other podcast. So,
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it's weird to be sitting in this chair that I've sort of looked at and listened
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to. >> Yeah, you're a sauna listener. >> I'm a sauna listener. I listen to you
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nude, which I think is what I said to you when I saw you uh a couple of months ago. And then I realized that's a weird
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way to open a a conversation. Uh yeah. No, I I have a I got a little infrared sauna in our garage and uh I sort of
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have I listen to you in little 20 minute bursts nude. Enjoy it. >> I'm pleased it's a home sauna. Like if
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if you told me it was like, "Yeah, you were a racket club. I'm nude."
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>> I want to be that guy. >> No, I enjoy it. So it's nice to be here.
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>> Oh, thanks. It's great to be here. And you haven't um uh as far as I'm aware
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done a lot of these. I found one that you've done with um Brody Kane 5 years
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ago on her Kiwi Yards podcast. Is that the only sort of longish form podcast you've done?
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>> I reckon that and maybe Yeah. And maybe one with Sharon with Nadine and Dan uh
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Nadine Higgins and her husband went, but that was purely based on the fertility when they were trying to um
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>> have a baby, >> right? >> So they were sort of asking us questions
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about how our journey went. But yeah, no, nothing on myself specifically. So this may be your quickest yet.
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>> Oh, it definitely won't be. There's a lot to talk about. Did does it sit
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comfortably with you? Are you like okay talking about yourself? >> Every radio announcer likes to talk
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about themselves. >> I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to try and be [ __ ] humble or anything
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else, >> but I don't know what you're going to ask me. So, we'll see what gets asked as
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to how comfortable I am. >> Um, you've you've done some [ __ ] Uh,
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this year it's your 25th year anniversary on the rock. 15 of those on breakfast.
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>> Yeah, close to. Yeah. I think I started Bricky in 2008, 2009. So yeah, around
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>> even longer than that, right? >> Yeah, I think maybe Yeah, like 17, 18
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years or something on Bricky now. >> It's too It's crazy longevity at one
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station. >> Yeah, I remember when we early on, maybe five, six, seven years into it. I
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remember other people had said John O' Prior actually was one of them. He's
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like, you don't want to get typ cast into one station. And which was funny for him to say at the time cuz he was
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typ cast into the he obviously since not a good friend of mine. But um and I remember being concerned with that,
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thinking, "Yeah, I do need to be able to do other stations." But 25 years on, I
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don't think so at all. Like I think I could work on other stations, but The Rocks provided me with everything so
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far. So, >> and I still bloody enjoy it. >> I mean, if it's a if it's a station that
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you could retire on, that wouldn't be the Look, I remember having um like Christian Cullen on the podcast last
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year and loved that. >> He he he didn't want to go to Ireland to play for Monster. Like, he wanted to
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finish in Wellington. He [ __ ] loved Wellington. I don't think there's anything bad if you have your whole
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career at one outfit. >> No, I don't think so at all. And especially if um it's given you the
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things that you wanted it to, you know, in terms of whatever those personal goals are or you know, like for me um
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The Rock sort of provided everything. We we've been lucky though. We've been I
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mean used to work obviously at the company, but The Rocks are super stable station. Uh like I've had the same boss
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the entire time that I've been there. Rod, who's my main co-host on the show,
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has been like a constant mainstay the whole time. Even the other people on the show have been there a lot, like whether
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it be Andrew Mulligan or or whatever, and Dunk who works at the station. So, all of that, it's like a family. So,
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yeah, that makes it a lot easier to stay there as well when it's people that you
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actually like. >> Yeah, it's funny that you say it's like like a family and there's so many family
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members that have been there that entire time. Um, the difference between when you started and now, like they're two
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completely different stations in a way, aren't they? It's like a station that's
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growing up. >> Wildly different. >> Yeah. And I think you're you are a lot
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to do with that as well. >> Like the heart of the station. >> Uh yeah. Well, no. Yeah. Hard to answer
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that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we we'll get to that later. But the charity stuff you've
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done, you've sort of been the driver of that. I'd say >> you're you're correct to say The Rock is
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a very different station in 2025 to what it was when I started in 2000. >> So, um Yes. So, how old were you when
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you started? Like 20. 20 >> 20 >> didn't know what I wanted to do. Um all
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my well my dad was quite successful in work. Um he was like near pretty much CEO at B&Z when I was growing up. So my
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dad was always always away with work did well with work stuff. My sister's real
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sharp. She had a degree and um I'm the youngest of three. Got an older brother
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and he was doing well as well out of school and all my mates were off to uni and so there was good pressure to be
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like what are you going to do? And I didn't do that well academically at school. Like I loved school, loved oning
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college, but I more loved hanging out with my mates and that side of it. And then didn't really know what I wanted to
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do. Went to go and study down in Dunners cuz my girlfriend was moving down there.
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Then we broke up. Um and then I was like, [ __ ] what am I going to do here? And cuz I didn't have bery, I had to
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just live in Deneden for 6 months until I turned 20. And then that didn't end
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well cuz didn't achieve much in that 6 months. And then I remember, yeah, I went to Melbourne where my mom and dad
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were at the time and I was I remember the moment I was sitting out on the deck, uh, and the radio was on and it
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was just this really [ __ ] voice break. And I remember thinking, man, they all everyone's at me to work out what I'm
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going to do. That guy's playing music and talking rubbish, which I've always
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been the dude who loved playing music, you know, whether it be in the car or DJ at parties or whatever. And talking [ __ ]
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was what I got in trouble for my whole life in school. I was like, there's my
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job angle. like there it is. Perfect. And then I went back and did like that six month diploma in radio uh in
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Wellington and then yeah, just sort of started from the from the bottom at the rock. Oh,
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>> so it wasn't like a lifelong dream or anything? >> Not at all.
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>> I'd never once considered it. >> What did you want to do when you were at
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school? >> Didn't know. My dad loves telling a story that we got a big family. My dad's
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one of 10. Uh so got like 100 cousins or something stupid. And I I don't know. I
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always loved little kids. like when I was the cousin that would always play with the little toddlers and stuff like
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that. And anyway, I in your um beautiful uh you know how you're naive when you're
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little, you don't know. But I found out that a doctor for kids was a gynecologist. And so dad would dad would
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wheel me out at parties and uh and say, "Bryce, tell Steve what you want to be when you
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grow up." And I I'm going to be a gynecologist. And they'd all laugh and
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I'd be like, "Fuck are these guys laughing at?" And then obviously I
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didn't realize that. So yeah, I wanted to be a gynecologist. >> They ended up on radio.
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>> Pediatrician, right? Pediatrician. >> Yeah. Someone someone sent me down the
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wrong river. >> Then I learned what a gyne did. Did >> you Did you Was there part of you then
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that thought, "Oh, these are these people are laughing. It feels kind of good."
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>> I always loved a reaction. >> Yeah. I reckon any school teacher or my
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mom and dad would say that same thing. But >> my dad's he's quite quick and funny with
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a quip. So I think I maybe you know you're all products of your environment and things like that. So I think I I
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definitely remember learning early on but it was always that fine balance which I'm now having with my own boys.
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There's a difference between funny and cheeky and you got to get it right. Like
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it's that you know that fine line to walk but no I always loved getting a reaction and yeah but it's funny how it
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came about. I certainly never thought about it at school. >> So were you what did you listen to? Did
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radio play a part in your life growing up? If you're in Wellington at the time,
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I suppose you Pauly and Grant were massive. >> Massive. Nick Tanley out on the streets,
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those sorts of things. >> I uh I do remember listening to Sunday nights Bomber was on channel Z.
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>> Oh yeah. He used to swear. >> Yep. And he also talked to you our age
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when I was 15, 16. Like he re it really felt like he was talking to us. But the main guy that I ever was most inspired
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by in radio was a guy James Coleman who did the drive show on channel Z back in the day. um rest in peace to that
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station. But yeah, he was I found him super entertaining and I remember I'd listen through the songs to listen to
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what he did on the show um and things like that. So he he was my favorite um when I was younger, but yeah, I listened
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to the radio heaps. I was that classic with tape songs um you know that would play on your tape and make your own
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mixtapz and >> um yeah, no, I always enjoyed it. I remember listening to radio lots when I
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was a kid. always loved music. Like I, you know, bought as many tapes and CDs and stuff as I could when I was a kid
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because and went to concerts right from early age and >> always loved music.
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>> So So you did the six-month radio course and then you you what you get like an
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internship at the rock or something? >> Nah, just a full bottom of the barrel.
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Uh John O' Prior, who I mentioned before, he had already taken all jobs possible um because he had done the
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diploma 6 months before me and so there was a lot of work at the start. So then I went and I'd labor in Whickeyi for uh
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40 hours a week from sort of Monday to Thursday and then I'd come over and right at the very start I'd record um
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fake shows. So I'd practice shows. Boss wouldn't even listen to them. Brad
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wouldn't even listen. And I just had to keep working away to the point where I
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annoyed our boss so much and he finally let me start doing Midnight Till Dawns >> on the weekends. And so that's
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>> it's crazy to think because yeah, as you said, like Brad Brad King is still there
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now. So when when you were doing these audition shows, he was a kid at the same time.
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>> 100%. He's only a few years older than me. Yeah, I know. It's wild.
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>> Crazy. >> Yeah. It's been so long. >> Would that have been your preferred
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station to work at? >> Yes. >> Yeah, at the time for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> What's the oldest recording you've got of yourself on the air? >> I I don't want to know.
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>> No. I I >> have you got like old cassettes or anything? >> There were there were some that were
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played when it was my 25th anniversary um a couple of months ago and they were horrific but they weren't super early. I
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wouldn't want to I wouldn't even even you know to time stamp this Oussie
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Osborne has just died and some interviews played today that we had when we had Aussie on the show and they were
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even from 2012 and I sounded horrific. I used to have this weird voice rod use great dictation and you know like I was
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like what the [ __ ] was I doing? It's horrible to hear yourself. >> You must have um there must have been
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someone you were sort of modeling yourself on at the time even if it's >> two announcers. Yep. Green man. He used
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to do the night show on the rock back in the day. He was a real legend to me when
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I was first starting. He was super cool, super helpful. Really made me feel like
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I could do the job. Um, and then I was also probably trying to model Jonno cuz he was having great success with the do
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stuff to Jono stuff in the morning and all of that and and he was a good buddy. So, and cuz he was doing well, I was
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like, "Oh, well, if he's doing well, I should probably sound like he does." So,
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they'd be two people that I um >> were inspired and impressed by. I guess
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>> I think everyone in radio has that. There's like a senior announcer or
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another announcer at the generally at the same station that you sort of like base yourself on. Even if you even if
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you don't know you're doing it, you sort of do it. Um yeah, but that timestamps
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this interview um nicely. Yeah, this is the day that Aussie Osborne died. >> Um and on my walk here to the studio
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this morning, I looked on your podcast feed to see what you guys had and um you know, an hour after I heard about Oussie
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Osborne died, like on your podcast feed, there was an interview that you guys did, the one you're talking about like
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12 or 13 years ago. It was a real quick turnaround. >> It's almost like you had that one
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waiting in the chamber. >> Yeah. Like the queen waiting for him. >> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. But I didn't notice anything. I mean, Ro, your co-host, he sounds
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exactly the same. >> Like he's going to die >> or what? >> No, in terms of his voice then and now.
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And I I didn't notice anything different about you. I think you're just being
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maybe a bit >> Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Maybe you hear it yourself, but I can hear it. I
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can hear that. I thought I sounded different. >> I didn't feel like I spoke as normally
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as I speak >> now. You know, like I don't think there's a huge difference between how I
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speak to you now or any of my friends or whatever then when I'm on the radio.
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>> It's funny. I I think on radio some of >> whereas I think I did back in the day.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think it takes a while to become like at the time you would have thought
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you being fully authentic but but it actually come maybe it's like experience
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and hours on the air and maybe it's just age and growing into yourself but it
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does take a while to become >> like completely authentic. >> Totally. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Um but it's a great show you guys are doing and um yesterday on my run I
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listened to your your whole show podcast and um you had Joseph Parker on like a good friend of the show.
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>> There was another and just explaining it's going to sound like a real shitty
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piece but it was like the three worst foods in the world or whatever but you guys you guys just managed to get
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anything and turned into something good. >> And I think that's the power of like
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having like a good a good dynamic. >> Yep. We have that. We're lucky. You'd
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know from any radio show that you did previously like um I hate the word overused, but culture and what's the
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other word I'm thinking of when um >> you know, you have that vibe that's in a
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studio. Chemistry. That's the word I'm looking for. We're lucky. We have a
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really good chemistry. We also know each other so well that we've got better at
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it, but we can use that communication of looking at each other to know when if I'm going to take an L, I I'm better
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now. We all are at sitting there and just taking it. Whereas back in the day, I might have fought over the top of
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whatever was being said to come back with a quicker burn, but it's funnier if
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[ __ ] gets piled on me. And then in the next break, we might pile [ __ ] on Miles
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or Roj or whoever it is. And so, yeah, the chemistry works well, which makes us be able to turn very average content
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like Worst Foods into some form of entertainment. >> Yeah. Something that's going to give
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people like a laugh or a bit of escapism on the way work. So, yes. So, it's yourself,
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>> Roger Fairley, Andrew Mulligan, and Mel Abbott. And it's been the four review
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for how long now? >> That show probably I'd say at least six six years I'd say that exact
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formation. >> Yeah. But Maus's he was with us from about 2011. He was there for a couple of
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years then he went to radio sport murdered radio sport and then came back to the rock after that.
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>> Yeah. Was it him that murdered all the pandemic? It's up in the air.
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>> No. Solely him. >> Yeah. Him and Richardson. >> He's a great He's a great broadcaster.
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E. >> Yeah. great broadcaster. >> Okay. Best thing best and worst thing
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about each of those guys. Uh let's start with Raj. >> Oh gee wh was >> best thing is it's his overwhelming
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passion. The rock. I don't think anyone cares more about the rock and its success than Roger Farrell.
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And it's probably his worst trait is that he loves it so much that sometimes
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I reckon we wish Roj had other passions as well. So that and I mean that in the in a nice way because
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you want to have like a good balance of everything and and he just went traveling this year which I think was
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awesome for him and I think he might get into do more traveling and stuff but he
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cares so much about it >> and I think you can get better the more you do it of realizing its place
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>> of importance. It's important to me that we do a good job and that I try and do a
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good job on the radio and whatever that may be. But far more important to me uh is my family, you know, is my boys and
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Sharon and stuff like that. And that's >> not to say his family isn't my own
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importance, but do you know what I mean? >> Yeah, I know exactly what I mean.
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>> You can care too you can care too much about something as well. >> So that's and it's funny that you should
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say that cuz that's something that um Sir Steve Hansen said as well that someone's best quality is usually their
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worst quality as well. >> Maybe that's recency bias. I listened to that interview recently.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. But I but it's also genuine and I don't think Roger would be
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offended with me saying that. I think he'd I imagine he'd agree. >> No.
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>> [ __ ] you. You you guys give him so much [ __ ] on the air. E >> Well, yeah,
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>> he's low. It's low hanging fruit. Is Is there any >> He deserves more credit on that. Roj to
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be honest. I think that's a misconception with Raj. People think just [ __ ] gets thrown at him the whole
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time and like [ __ ] poor old Raj. But Raj is a lot smarter than what people give
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Roj credit for. like cuz obviously as you know like a lot of planning goes into shows. Obviously when you're on air
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and you're bantering a lot of that will come naturally but he he's an expert in
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um serving himself up too. Like we'll have those eye contact moments where he
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knows exactly what he's doing um by walking you into a such where you can do
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it when you can slam at home with him or or whatever. Um or whatever topic you're
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doing or segment he will remind us before we go on air. remember when I [ __ ] [ __ ] up by doing this or
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whatever. So, he he knows what he's doing and as I say to the previous point, all for the greater good of what
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gets the best laugh and best entertainment. So, >> I he's not the the laughing
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that's all he does guy, which I think some people might or might have had that
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um preconception. He's he's a lot better than what a lot smarter than what some
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people may give him credit for. I know lots of people give him credit. So, >> is um is there anything that's off
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limits? Do you guys have your offlimit things? >> Just areas that you're just not allowed
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to go with each other. >> You must do. You probably can't talk about them here.
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>> No, no, no. Uh >> oh. I mean, anything deeply personal probably as you'd know. Um,
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yeah. I think we all pretty good now at We also don't want anything to be awkward,
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>> you know? Like, [ __ ] there's nothing worse than I mean, there's good awkward
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and then there's like, how are we going to continue our show awkward? And we've
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>> Yeah. >> So, has there has >> there's respect more than off limits? I
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reckon that's a good thing that we have on the show. We'll we'll know.
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>> And I think also you get really good at reading body language. I think that's I
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reckon if I have a good skill set >> uh pump my own tires, but I think I'm
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good at reading body language in the studio. >> I think Miles would he would say the
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same thing for me. Raj may be as well, Mel. But I sort of and they might do the same for me, but I'll on any given day I
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think I'm pretty good at reading the room straight away as to how each person
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is. And sometimes I'll micromanage like I'll send group messages to three out of
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the four or two out of the four and I might go um I reckon this is what's happening today. So
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>> Oh, like you might text say M and they'll say hey Roger's a little off
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today this. >> Oh yeah. Or he might be upset about this or you know M something happened to M's
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life >> so if he's quiet it's because of this or and vice versa. You know
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>> that's a good EQ. Have you always had that? >> No. No, >> definitely not.
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>> Has that come since being a dad or >> just getting older? What is that?
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>> I think everything comes with getting older and getting better, you know, like
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you you like Absolutely. And you like to think you learn more as you do it. Um >> I don't know, maybe the
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>> I'd say a few things have got me to to to that point. Yeah, being a parent
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would be a part of it. I also think um if some formations of shows have worked better than others and you learn
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from experiences >> I don't know maybe it's maybe it's my dad stuff of leadership where not saying
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I'm a leader but do you know what I mean like you can try and work out how to
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steer the ship. Well, my boss Brad, he says in terms of my role on the show, like a and a long time ago that if you
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were to liken it to rugby, people have positions, you know, like Roger's the uh
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the skipper of of the show and then I'm referred to, I guess, as like the first
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five where you're running the ship. So, I guess it just becomes part of that.
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Like, if you're in charge of steering how the show is going, then >> it's it's on you if you can to realize
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how you're going to best steer the ship that day. M >> if you can do anything to help it.
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>> Yeah. And >> oh, sorry. And those chats aren't all the time. >> They'll just be on certain occasions
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that you might just >> when and if >> not. I don't have group chats every I
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don't have separate chats every morning. >> See you sitting on his phone. It's like
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my phone didn't ping. I must have trouble after this. I Every time I'm on
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my phone in the studio now, people are going to be like, "Who the [ __ ] he
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texting?" >> Well, the other the other phone's pinged, but not mine. Okay, this is
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interesting. Have there been any um storm outs over the years or or like periods of silence where like Yeah.
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>> Oh yeah. >> [ __ ] it makes it difficult. Eh >> oh yeah as what
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>> uh love her and we get on great now me and Leia Parniper used to clash >> hard out but when I first came Lera one
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of New Zealand's great broadcasters like an incredible career over everything
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whether it be radio live or radio hodaki back in the day or the rock you know etc
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etc. But um when I was first brought into the show, I was Simon D had left and I came into breakfast and I was put
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in there as the young, wasn't married at the time, didn't have kids, and so and
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they wanted like a younger person in the show to, you know, for the younger audience and to freshen it up or
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whatever it was. Uh and they pay me less. Um, and so like I came in there and um, Brad, our boss, would encourage
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everyone to have different opinions cuz obviously, you know, that's how radio
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works. >> And I was less wise at that point. And so I would really go with Le and she
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would come straight back. And so we had some good clashes. Um, that lingered off
00:21:53
air like usually, you know, the mics will go off and everyone can laugh and go, "Oh, that was good for that radio."
00:21:58
But but yeah, it wasn't. They weren't that good at all. Once we were talking
00:22:02
about we had to shave her hair off for some someone had deared us. It was for some wacky radio thing that caused a
00:22:11
storm out. She left the studio that day. Uh >> Ro tried to fight me um one morning on
00:22:18
air like physically. >> Yeah. Well, cuz he'd never had a Charlie. Remember the old classic knee
00:22:23
Charlie's where you kne someone on the side of the leg? Yeah, talking about those and anyway it come about he should
00:22:28
try a Charlie and then when he got Charlie they didn't enjoy it. Not many people tend to enjoy a Charlie
00:22:36
and then he tried to fight me. Uh and so yeah there's been there's been a couple
00:22:41
of little blowups but also how could there not be because you it's a weird situation a radio show like it's a
00:22:47
marriage. I spend more time with those people and have more chats looking eye to eye with them than you than I do with
00:22:54
Sharon, my wife, you know, like just in terms of how ours work out like and so you've got to manage those marriages and
00:23:02
like any marriage, >> they have really tough times and they don't always last and all of that sort
00:23:07
of stuff. So >> yeah, it would be weird if we didn't have fights. >> I think we've got better now though
00:23:14
>> at preventing big fights. And again that just comes with all the experience and
00:23:18
stuff like I might see us or Roger or M or whatever or us Brad have got better at
00:23:24
>> if you can see something starting to become aggravating you get better at
00:23:28
going [ __ ] let's let's prevent this then let's change this before it becomes
00:23:33
something these these are such good insights. Also, it's um you're in this
00:23:37
this >> I don't regret anything I've said. >> You're in this fairly small room
00:23:40
together and you're having conversations. Like most people go to work and the three or four people you
00:23:45
work closest to, you can have a little bit of small talk with them through the day, but largely you can ignore each
00:23:49
other. Um and breakfast radio is the complete opposite of that. You got to have a you've got to manufacture a good
00:23:54
time together. >> 100%. Some days you don't feel like doing that. Um some days you do some and
00:23:59
some days people are in different moods than others for various reasons of anything that's going on in their life.
00:24:03
Um, yeah, it's hard. Like, it's one of the greatest privileges of all time to
00:24:08
have that job and it's not lost on me and I I'm deeply uh appreciate the fact
00:24:14
I've been able to do this and still get to do it touchwood for a little a while
00:24:18
longer yet. But that is the hard part is um every day coming up with >> well every day trying to be good as well
00:24:27
>> because if you've set a certain level obviously you want to continue it. Um,
00:24:30
and as you know with Breakfast Radio, there's a lot of chat. Afternoon time drive, they talk half the amount we
00:24:36
would around about, you know, cuz they obviously play more songs. So, yeah, it's a lot of [ __ ] to talk. So, it's a
00:24:42
lot of >> a lot of chat with three people that you're supposed to be different to.
00:24:48
>> If you had three people that were just your best mates, that's [ __ ] great cuz
00:24:52
you just all agree with each other the whole time. But we're supposed to not
00:24:54
agree cuz >> you provide different opinions and stuff for people listening, obviously. And
00:24:59
sometimes with no one would want four bryes. What a punishing show. Sometimes with your friends you're like,
00:25:04
"Oh yeah, I don't I don't really have an opinion on that. I don't really give a
00:25:07
[ __ ] either way." But you can't that doesn't work on radio. You need an
00:25:10
opinion >> 100%. >> Um, what do you think the key has been to your longevity and in in radio and in
00:25:16
particular on breakfast radio? >> Um, well, like Raj, I care I care a lot about how we do. I care about doing good
00:25:24
show. Uh, I care about the rock and all of that. So, I think that's first and
00:25:29
foremost like I want to do a good job. Um, and I'm proud of trying to do a good
00:25:33
job. Um, I think I've done a good job. >> Uh, not always, but I think in certain
00:25:43
times I've done a good job. Um, I think in terms of that having an opinion, I've always had a strong
00:25:50
opinion. So, but it's good to have a strong opinion, not just because that's
00:25:54
radio, but also because people either love or people either agree or disagree with your opinion, which I think is
00:26:00
important for people in radio. So, maybe that's helped me. >> Um, the fact that people are like, "Fuck
00:26:05
that guy or I agree with that guy." That's been helpful. And obviously I
00:26:09
think in the last eight or seven or six seven years I think obviously the change in which
00:26:16
we've gone about with um the mental health angle I would say has >> helped all of us.
00:26:24
>> Yeah that I mean [ __ ] when when you eventually finish that's going to be
00:26:28
your legacy right that like the the 5% stuff really. >> Yeah probably. Yeah. Well I mean totally
00:26:35
because >> Yeah. I mean, it's still some of those moments that we've had in some of those
00:26:39
days and shows or or fundraisers or whatever that we've done. Um, they are still the things that always get bought
00:26:46
up to me >> um and mentioned and >> well, it's made like a tangible impact
00:26:51
to people's life. Not to say that your day-to-day stuff doesn't, you know, cuz
00:26:55
it does make a difference, but this is like a more, >> I suppose, noticeable difference to
00:26:59
people's life. And we'll we'll get into all of that. Um, >> yeah, just a couple more on the radio
00:27:03
thing. So, your wife Sharon, we'll get into the dynamic of that relationship. I
00:27:06
know she's the boss, but >> So, she's having a break from radio. She
00:27:10
retired at the end of last year >> or semi. It's I feel like it's going to
00:27:14
be a Jordan Jay-Z retirement. She's going to come back. >> I Yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe not. And I
00:27:19
don't think she'd mind me saying this at all, but um I don't know. I mean, like
00:27:23
we said before, like radio is pretty tough and can be quite punishing in terms of I don't know if we did say
00:27:29
this, maybe this is before we started, but radio is tough in terms of um always having to mine your life for content.
00:27:35
And she's been really strong on saying that. Like it became really >> tough work to continually be like out
00:27:42
with a friend and be like, "Oh, how can I steal your little bit of private information to make it into radio
00:27:48
content or whatever?" And so I think she genuinely really is quite enjoying
00:27:52
spending time with the boys and not having to think of content every day. So I don't I don't know. I think she misses
00:27:58
the paycheck. >> Yeah. Oh, 100%. I [ __ ] I Yeah, I was a real pig with that stuff. Like I I
00:28:04
wouldn't say to someone, "Oh, hey, do you mind if I um use this on the radio
00:28:08
tomorrow morning?" Cuz at the end they might say no. >> It was It was said about you behind your
00:28:11
back. >> I just do it change some names and apologize for it afterwards. There's so
00:28:17
many so much content you have to come up with. It's a thirsty beast. >> Yeah. And Yeah. And a lot of it long
00:28:23
stretches like a long bow. >> Have you ever have you ever had a like a period where you've thought about, you
00:28:29
know, quitting like Sharon did? >> No. >> No. >> No. No. I really haven't. Like some days
00:28:35
I've found tougher and some shows I've found tougher in terms of whether I've
00:28:39
got on with some people better than others or whatever it may be or um >> No, man. I I love it. If someone had
00:28:48
told me in school days that I'd be home by midday, Monday to Friday, and have the weekends
00:28:54
off, like, yeah, I cannot overstate with all genuiness. Yeah, I it's a it's
00:29:00
a great privilege. I have a lot of mates who work real hard, do real important stuff.
00:29:05
um you know whether that be doctors or uh all sorts of different all sorts of different fields and they do proper work
00:29:11
and I'm like oh man I literally >> I'm getting paid to do this. It's uh I'm
00:29:16
very lucky. >> Yeah, I think that's a good space to play that gratitude sort of space. Yeah,
00:29:21
it's really cool. >> It's genuine too. Don't. And and that's
00:29:23
also coupled with, don't get me wrong, some days are far more enjoyable than
00:29:27
others or periods, but >> uh for the most part, I have never I've never thought about leaving
00:29:33
>> the job. >> I've got a card here called miscellaneous that's got a few bits and
00:29:39
pieces on and then we'll um we'll dig deep into some other more important
00:29:42
serious stuff. Um so May 8th this year, you got a hole in one. >> Yeah. >> How long how long you been golfing?
00:29:48
>> Played heaps with my dad when I was 13 or 14. My dad was a good golfer, my
00:29:53
granddad was a good golfer, all of that. Um, my mom's dad. So, it's always been
00:29:57
there. And then, yeah, when I was like 13 or 14, we were living in Wellington at that point. Um, and my dad
00:30:04
uh took me out to be a member at Paumu Golf Course. Um, and it's a brutally tough golf course before all these flash
00:30:11
golf courses like TR and that were in New Zealand. That was like New Zealand's
00:30:15
number one course and it's still ranked at the world 100. So, it's a really
00:30:17
tough course, especially to learn golf on. that would [ __ ] traumatize me every weekend u playing with dad there.
00:30:23
So that's my earliest memories of golf. But I also was playing with a mate once, two of my mates, Alice
00:30:30
Dunson and dude Richard Page and we were like 14 and my mate Rich Page got a hole
00:30:34
in one uh on the 14th here which is a par three. Uh and so to see that as a kid was like wow. And so I've stood over
00:30:41
every path three my entire life going even with the terrible talk with mates or randoms that you're playing with
00:30:47
today's the day stand there and then it would never happen and so yeah it finally happened but I played for a
00:30:51
couple of years to answer your question when I was 13 14 then I'd play sort of
00:30:55
once a year on the piss with mates until about 3 years ago coming up three years
00:31:00
ago I got a random text at work one morning and it was the guy who was the GM at um Tarangi Golf Course which is
00:31:06
like Oakland's best course and he was like, "Hey man, this will sound random.
00:31:11
I'm the GM at uh at the golf course. Kings of Leon are playing today. Do you
00:31:16
want to come out and make up the four?" Um, obviously the group of four. I was
00:31:20
like, "Fuck, that's so specific. It's got to be real." Rangum was legit went
00:31:24
out there and played that day. And, uh, that guy, uh, Richard, who's a good man,
00:31:29
who took me out for the round with them, um, he used to, long story short, he used to make some docos, uh, about
00:31:37
suicide back in the And so he'd been a listener and he had heard some of the
00:31:40
stuff that we were doing and that's why he thought to ask me and then became a
00:31:44
member and I've been a member there. So I've been playing heaps in the last two
00:31:47
to three years. Love it. >> Wait, playing golf with Kings of Leon. How was that?
00:31:52
>> Awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um so it was supposed to be all of
00:31:55
them and then uh and then not all of them came. But Nathan, who's sort of the
00:32:01
boss of the band, who's the drummer, he's the oldest brother, he's like a
00:32:04
golf nut, like loves it. And so it was me uh and him and then this dude Richard who's the boss and Nathan. Yeah. Follow
00:32:15
couldn't have been cooler. Like you'd know usually the rule of thumb with
00:32:19
anyone with the bigger the rockstar they are the cooler they are. But this guy was like next level. Like he made me
00:32:25
feel like I was his mate for the whole round. Uh yeah he was rad and that reignited my love for it and then
00:32:31
started playing again after that. >> He was cool. >> Yeah. Generally the the more famous
00:32:36
someone is, the less they have something to prove and the nicer they are. >> I don't know. Just as like a broad rule
00:32:41
of thumb. Yeah. I Oh, so who else are you sort of um pie with? Like Dave Gro >> you've met him on a number of occasions.
00:32:48
>> Yeah. Yep. Yep. We've got a good relationship with Dave. >> There's an iconic photo that you've
00:32:51
shared on Instagram numerous times of him like pouring a bottle of tequil deserves to be shared more.
00:32:58
>> Y >> Yep. That was at a bar in like 2018 in Sydney. him and Taylor Hawkins had this
00:33:03
listening party for their album um Concrete and Gold I think the album is. And yeah, we went to it, they played it,
00:33:09
and then they just mingled around with us and we're just pouring booed down everyone's throat. And he's super cool.
00:33:14
I've interviewed him a bunch of times. No interviews in the last two or three
00:33:19
years. Ever since Taylor passed, he hasn't done any. And then obviously he's
00:33:24
had his own >> infidelity thing, >> his own situation going on. So >> he used to do interviews when he didn't
00:33:29
need to. I don't think now you'll I I doubt I'll ever get another Dave Gro
00:33:33
interview. Like why would he ever do press? It's all people are going to ask
00:33:37
him about is >> either Taylor or infidelity. >> As as a fan of his, how did how did you
00:33:44
feel about that? >> The infidelity. >> Yeah. Um he's human, right?
00:33:47
>> Totally. No one's perfect. >> I think you can do way worse way worse
00:33:52
things. He's done a lot of good for a lot of people. That's not excusing
00:33:57
infidelity, right, at all. because obviously his wife deserved better and >> etc. But yeah, in terms of like the
00:34:04
worst things in the world to happen, >> but the problem is >> rockstar acts like a rockstar.
00:34:08
>> Yeah, I'll tell you he's not enjoying Coldplay concerts. >> Yeah.
00:34:11
>> At all. Um Yeah. I mean, I think everybody everybody probably felt a I don't know. People would have felt a
00:34:18
little bit disappointed. Ah, not angry Dave. I'm disappointed. >> Yeah.
00:34:22
>> But also, [ __ ] what have they all done? There's plenty of people casting
00:34:28
or, you know, throwing a bit of [ __ ] at Dave Gro, but I can guarantee if you went through their search histories or
00:34:33
their whatever they did, like no one's perfect. >> Yeah, absolutely. It's part of the human
00:34:36
experience. So, if he walked into the room now, like would he would do you think would he know your name?
00:34:41
>> Probably not, but he would act >> I don't know. He always has every time
00:34:46
we've done interviews. And I don't know whether that's superb work by the record
00:34:49
label Sony that have always made it feel like he knows me, but he will act like he knows me. We've met him on enough
00:34:55
occasions. Yeah. Where he will uh Yeah. It appears like he does, but maybe he's just very
00:35:02
good at his job. >> Class act. >> Class act. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
00:35:05
>> Good lying. >> Who else? Who else? Who Who are your favorites to If you see an interview
00:35:10
coming up, who are your favorites? Who Who do you sort of grown at? >> Dave Gro for sure. He He's been He's
00:35:14
been great. Uh, we had Oussie Osborne. He was awesome. Um, Tom Mel is superb uh from Rage Against the Machine, but he's
00:35:22
just super intelligent, but also super lovely. Um, yeah, he's he is a standout
00:35:27
over the years. >> Um, in terms of musicians, the worst that we two two stand out usually.
00:35:33
They're all really good. Oh, three worst. the trifecta of of trifecta of turds were um
00:35:41
uh uh John Fusante from the Red Hot Chili Peppers, but I don't know if he was that well at the time and he just
00:35:46
didn't want to talk to me. He he was terrible in person at Spark Arena. Like
00:35:50
one of the worst experiences I've ever had. He was he came into the room, he
00:35:54
didn't want to do it, and I was like, "Hey man, I'm Bryce." And uh he looked
00:35:57
away from me and he goes, "A real pleasure to meet you." Like looking away, I was like, "Oh no, it's going to
00:36:02
be one of those days. Oh god, this is going to be the longest 8 minutes of my life.
00:36:05
>> But I wish if I'd have done that now, I would have turned it on him cuz you
00:36:09
know, you learn those things and it would have made for a far better interview if you'd have been like,
00:36:12
"Mate, what's your problem?" Like >> that would have got a good reaction. But
00:36:15
I was so young and I was like, "Just took it." >> He was no good.
00:36:19
>> Uh, Alien Ant Farm, dreadful as you'd expect. And um, and the guy from Disturbed, David Draymond, I mean,
00:36:29
yeah, terrible. >> It's funny. I sort of found off in the bad ones. They're just not memorable at
00:36:33
all. They're just like nothing. It's just a nothing moment. >> It's hard. I Yeah, I mean, you think if
00:36:39
if you're in that position, you'd switch it on for the time you're there, which
00:36:41
is something that I suppose separates a Dave Gro from the rest of them. >> Um, but maybe it's easier said than done
00:36:46
cuz we're all human. >> And also, some people uh some people are really charismatic
00:36:53
and some people aren't. But some people, no, some people are really talented
00:36:58
musicians and charismatic, whereas some people are just really talented musicians.
00:37:02
>> They don't have to have the charisma as part of it. Like you see it heaps the
00:37:06
people on stage there are these electrifying, unbelievable front woman or frontmen and then offstage they're
00:37:12
completely insular, you know, like it's it's common. So I don't I don't begrudge
00:37:17
people if they're not great, but yeah, we've been lucky to have some absolute
00:37:20
rippers. >> Yeah. How good. Um, oh, you're one of your regular golf buddies. Going back to
00:37:24
that um D Henwood, you've seen to play with him quite a bit. >> Yeah. What's What's that like? Is is
00:37:29
that um like for him, do you talk about anything but his illness? >> No, that comes up.
00:37:34
>> Yeah. >> Yeah, for sure. I'm on like a group chat. Me and Shannon are on a group chat
00:37:38
that we've been lucky enough that Dy has this sort of inner circle of his close friends where he started this
00:37:47
WhatsApp group chat um before the news was public. um about his cancer. Um >> oh yeah, I think he addressed this is
00:37:56
part of his book um little little D with the big C. >> Little D with the big C.
00:38:00
>> Yeah, that's the name of the chat. >> And so that group chat's been going for
00:38:02
years now. >> And so everyone sort of uses that. He he'll let people know what the sitch is
00:38:08
or how the treatment is going that day. And um and then everybody or randomly someone will come in with something out
00:38:16
of nowhere to just try and ask him how he is. And um yeah, give him a boost and uh but yeah, it'll come up when we're
00:38:24
playing golf. And then also as with Dye, absolutely anything else will come up cuz see I've known Dy since he won't
00:38:31
remember me, but I've known Dice since school days. He was at the same school
00:38:34
at Wellington College. >> He was like two years above me at Wellington College and I I'll never
00:38:39
forget Dy cuz one day we were in assembly and they were running for um school council. You know how kids would
00:38:44
get up and go, "Yeah, vote for me. Oh, uh, I'm the best for school council. You
00:38:49
like, yeah, [ __ ] whatever, man. No one's voting for you, Bo. And then he came up and, uh, he came up and Dy was
00:38:55
the same height and size he is now, same amount of facial hair. And um, he he came up and he came jumping onto stage
00:39:01
as he did, kicking his legs out, exactly the same guy, you know, now. And he's
00:39:05
like, "What up, losers?" Like essentially, and everyone starts laughing straight away. And he's like,
00:39:10
he's like, "Um, third formers, I know what you want. You want pubes. I'm going
00:39:14
to get you all pubes." and the whole the whole [ __ ] all these boys start banging the tables and loving it and
00:39:19
then he's like poor formers I know what you want you still want pubes he's like
00:39:23
I'm getting you ps and proceed to go through the forms uh of of what he promised everybody and so
00:39:29
>> I always remember that of him um >> have you told him that >> oh yeah's great
00:39:35
>> absolutely asked to go back and speak at college at some point uh to to the
00:39:39
students which is hilarious that I would be asked to go back and speak there >> given I wasn't that much of a role model
00:39:45
student. But I I love D. I find that friendship um super special. He he means heaps to so many people. He means a
00:39:53
whole bunch to uh to to Sharon and myself. Sharon loves him. How kind he was during Dancing with the Stars and um
00:40:00
to her when with when when things weren't going well for her with some miscarriage stuff and he's just a
00:40:06
beautiful person, beautiful family. Um >> yeah, like [ __ ] it. It sucks, man. The D
00:40:13
situation. Mhm. >> Yeah. >> He's so shown um you so much courage and
00:40:17
bravery and dignity and >> Yeah. >> resilience. >> Yeah. To use that situation
00:40:26
to help other people, which is what he's done. >> Uh man, it's there's so much about him.
00:40:33
>> And also, yeah, he's he's just a yeah, he's a great human rule. Lucky to have
00:40:37
die in our lives. So yeah, I I love getting messages messages from him and and talking to him whenever we can. But
00:40:44
>> he's special man. >> Yeah, he really is. Um boxing you you've
00:40:49
done some How many boxing fights have you done? >> Two two boxing fights. >> Yeah.
00:40:53
>> So one of them was against um Nixon Nick Steven Nixon Clark from my FM. Who was
00:40:58
the other one against? >> Uh guy called Puker who um used to be like a >> Oh Craig Lynn builder. Yeah. He used to
00:41:03
be like did a little bit of >> he was like he was pre coxy. uh build a guy on TV. Um and yeah, he he used to be
00:41:13
a boxing promoter. This guy Pooker, a good man. Uh he used to be a boxing promoter and he'd put on these boxing
00:41:18
fights and then he obviously thought he saw an easy uh easy victory, easy victim
00:41:22
in me and said and knew he could use the smart man knew he could use the leverage
00:41:26
of if he got me to fight that we would be therefore promoting his fight. And that was in like 2010. And so yeah, I
00:41:32
agreed to do that as a challenge because I'd been doing it as fitness at Boxing
00:41:36
Alley and I was like, "Yeah, I'll give I'll give that a go." Um, so that was
00:41:39
2010 and then the fight with Nixon was to 2013 on the Joseph Parker undercard. >> Why did you want to do that? I I can't
00:41:48
think of many things more terrifying. And I think there's the the fight itself, which is terrifying, but then
00:41:53
the 12, 16, however many weeks beforehand where you're going to training, >> you're getting smacked on the head, and
00:41:59
then the anxiety's building. is horrible. It so that whole 12week camp, it never leaves your brain. Like it
00:42:06
always is there. Um it's like fights coming. How's it going to go? Don't want
00:42:10
to get knocked out in front of your friends. This is going to be on TV. Oh, rock audience won't like this if you
00:42:16
lose. >> And Mulligan Andrew Mulligan's words were like, you don't need to do it. Like
00:42:22
then you gain nothing from this. And that would always ring in my ears. The anxiety of walking out is horrific. I
00:42:28
nearly started crying on both occasions. Uh because it's so overwhelming the want
00:42:32
to do well in front of your friends and family. Um why did I want to do it? I love boxing first and foremost. It's my
00:42:40
favorite sport. Uh uh I don't know. I guess I every loved a little bit of I wouldn't say I loved fighting when I
00:42:50
was at school by any stretch, but you know what I mean? like I also wasn't a full stranger to having maybe a little
00:42:58
bit of niggle or scrap as well. So I always sort of enjoyed that side of um the physicality or whatever of it. I
00:43:04
loved doing boxing first and foremost. So it was a hell of a way to test yourself in that.
00:43:10
>> When when does that that anxiety where you're almost bursting into tears when
00:43:13
you're walking out? When does that go? Immediately. As soon as the fight starts. Yeah, cuz the weird thing is as
00:43:18
soon as the fight starts and the bell rings and then you punch or whatever, it automatically then and you don't realize
00:43:24
it until you've done it, which makes great boxers, they don't have any of
00:43:27
that cuz they're so used to it. But as soon as it starts, it just feels eerily
00:43:32
similar to all of the training that you've done. You're like, "Oh, that's
00:43:35
right. We're doing this now." And then you just sort of respond to or attempt
00:43:39
to respond to whatever is happening in front of you. But yeah, so it goes as soon as the bell rings. Just like you're
00:43:44
nervous before if you've got a speech to do at a wedding or you know MCing or
00:43:50
doing some sort of chat at work, you're super nervous and anxious, but often the
00:43:54
case is once you start talking that all goes, >> but it's the leadup. >> Yeah. I I heard Jimmy car on a podcast
00:44:02
and he said he said it's very >> he was a great interview to your earlier
00:44:05
question. >> Yeah. >> He's the man. >> Yeah. Oh >> yeah. We've had him a few times and he's
00:44:09
amazing. >> Yeah. I've seen some clips that you guys have done on Instagram. it just comes
00:44:13
roast you guys and then >> so it's a very simplified thing he said but he said depression is um thinking
00:44:19
about something that's happened anxiety is thinking about something that's in
00:44:22
the future so the best thing is to be in the present and I suppose when you're
00:44:25
boxing that's like one of those prime examples like you've got no option but
00:44:28
to be in the moment >> I remember on the Parker undercard fight when I fought Nixon um so that was a
00:44:33
full walk out live TV even a minute before you're walking out the camera's
00:44:37
just right in front of you um waiting to go and you can hear them all going 30 seconds and you're like [ __ ] Oh [ __ ]
00:44:43
man. Like there's enough tension without a camera looking straight at you and
00:44:46
then you got to do that whole walk out. But I remember that to answer to answer your point of um you've never felt more
00:44:52
present than that. I remember being midfight with Nixon and seeing the big screens cuz it was in
00:45:00
that um Truss arena and so they had the big screens for the full soldout crowd that were in there because obviously
00:45:06
they were actually Joseph Parker. Um, but I saw myself on the big screen and I was in the ring. I looked up and I was
00:45:12
on the big screen and had enough time, no discredit to Nixon, but I had enough time to look at the big screen, look at
00:45:21
all of the crowd and be like, what the [ __ ] are you doing? Like, what are you doing in a boxing ring?
00:45:28
>> Out of body experience. >> Yeah, it was a real out of body experience. And that was like, oh [ __ ]
00:45:33
this is out of it. >> I got to finish this guy off. >> This is out of it. Yeah, it was just
00:45:37
what's going on. >> Yeah. Never again. >> What did you learn about yourself from
00:45:41
the fights? >> Um, >> if anything. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, well, that I could
00:45:48
do it. >> Um, which is a big thing cuz you don't know if you can do something like that
00:45:53
until you've done it. >> Yeah. I suppose it tells yourself you're a person that can put your mind to doing
00:45:57
hard things and then follow through. >> Yeah. And when you're really scared of
00:46:01
something and don't want to do it, the elation often that you feel afterwards
00:46:07
shouldn't come as any surprise to you because you know anxiety and nerves and
00:46:11
all that mean you care and that's all that was heading into that fight. It's
00:46:15
only scared and nervous and all of that because >> of pride and that you want to do well
00:46:21
and then like anything if you've done all of the work and all of that beforehand and prepared then more often
00:46:26
than not like that'll take care of itself. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. And absolute worst case scenario, you get
00:46:32
knocked out early in the first round. It's >> you won't remember. >> Oh, god.
00:46:38
My life would be very different if Nixon had knocked me out in that first minute.
00:46:42
>> What? How? So, >> oh man, I would have been I I honestly I think that could have absolutely [ __ ]
00:46:50
me on the rock the more I think about it now. >> You have to move to Port McQuary or
00:46:54
somewhere >> some change your name, live next door to David Bane. >> Yeah. Honestly, well, I've got the right
00:46:58
jersey on. Um Um Honestly, that would have been bad for me. People didn't really care that I won, but if I lost, I
00:47:07
reckon I would have coped it >> bad. >> That's terrible. E really,
00:47:13
>> I would have coped it bad. Just like Nick Trot years ago, former breakfast
00:47:17
host. He >> I remember that with Grant Kittyama. >> He fought Grant Kittyama and it was the
00:47:21
same thing. Had he lost that fight, he probably would have got a heap of [ __ ] >> But he didn't. He was successful that
00:47:27
night. >> And Monty Betham was my coach and Monty Betham, everyone he's ever trained has
00:47:32
won. And so like there were all these little added elements of pressure. >> Yeah.
00:47:37
>> But enjoyable. >> But you like even if you if you get if you lose and you get humiliated, you're
00:47:43
still braver than than me and most other people that would never do it, never dream of doing it.
00:47:48
>> Yeah. But everybody does different things that are brave, don't they? You
00:47:51
know, brave is a real >> brave can be used in a lot of contexts. like you know die Henwood to me is
00:48:00
brave. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a situation he didn't willingly put himself into. Yeah.
00:48:05
>> Whereas I suppose boxing you do. >> Yeah. Mine was more took a risk.
00:48:10
>> Yeah. >> Um one more thing on the miscellaneous card, then we're going to move on to
00:48:14
some good stuff. But um yeah. Uh how do you feel when you see this photo here? >> I've always [ __ ] hated this pose that
00:48:24
I'm pulling. It looks like an album artwork. >> Oh, I just look like Yeah, I look like
00:48:29
the Arctic Monkeys cover. Uh oh, I just look so [ __ ] I was over it at that point. So, this is a picture. What I
00:48:37
also love in this picture is um the rolled rolls of barb wire. Like, if you if no one knew what this picture
00:48:45
represented, it'd be a great guessing game. >> You know, it would it would Yeah. For
00:48:49
anyone listening to this rather than watching, what is what is the >> So, this is a picture of
00:48:55
outside the Monaco District Court and around about September 20ish in 2011 as it about 5:00 p.m. we'd been released
00:49:09
after a day of being arrested and charged with civil aviation um offenses. And it is Ben
00:49:17
Boyce talking to a media scrum. Uh a guy called Andy behind him. Um and then myself with my arms crossed looking like
00:49:26
I'm about to cry, arms crossed, eyes closed, Ben strangely smiling, nervously smiling.
00:49:34
>> We'd been arrested, obviously. That was when I dressed up to be a pilot uh for
00:49:38
Ben Boyce's comedy show and it went peer-shaped. >> Yeah. So most people are probably
00:49:43
familiar with the TV show Jono on Ben, but before Jono and Ben. >> No. So this was before Jono and Ben, it
00:49:49
was in between Pulp Sport. >> So there was the Jono project and then there was another show called Wannab.
00:49:54
Correct. This was for the show Wannab. >> Correct. I had a segment called Black
00:49:56
and Bryce uh like a 60-second segment each week where I try and talk my way into things for free. So it had been
00:50:02
like I had been uh dressed up as for example dressed up as a Kiwi mascot and walked into the New Zealand Rugby League
00:50:09
game because I'm here to be the mascot. Talk my way. dress up as Buzz Lightyear
00:50:13
to get in to go watch Toy Story Free at the movies because I was there as part of the premiere, etc. Uh, I mean that it
00:50:20
is what it was. And this one was, can I black my way into being a pilot and getting past security at a domestic
00:50:28
airport? Seemed a good idea. [ __ ] It [ __ ] wasn't. It wasn't a good idea.
00:50:34
>> Part of the issue, right, was that it was um rugby world cup year, right? That
00:50:37
was correct. That was a massive part of the issue. It was like a week out from the World Cup.
00:50:42
>> So you just get a pilot suit. >> It was a week out from the World Cup and
00:50:45
a week after the 10 year anniversary of September 11th. >> So like it was not good timing to [ __ ]
00:50:51
around with a plane. On CNN, you know how like whispers stories change all of a sudden? Like
00:50:59
little bit of information gets left out or added on CNN. It had that I um had chased after the plane on the tarmac
00:51:06
trying to take control of the airplane. It's like that is so not what happened.
00:51:10
The truth of what happened and what it got made out to be are two totally different things.
00:51:15
>> Yeah. So, so run us through the the the day. We'll get to the Fallout stuff
00:51:19
after. But the So, it's just a suit from first scene, which is the costume place.
00:51:23
>> First scene. Terrible costume. >> Terrible. Doesn't look anything like a
00:51:27
pilot costume. >> So terrible that my mustache fell off several times when talking to the lady
00:51:32
at New Zealand. I go in there with my briefcase, my mustache, my hat, my poor costume. Everyone's already like, "Fuck,
00:51:39
what are you up to?" And then I jokingly I'm being recorded. I've miked up.
00:51:43
There's secret people filming me. I go up to I'm like, "Hello, ma'am. Um, here
00:51:47
for my flight." Because the whole point of it was being if it didn't work, it
00:51:51
was stupid enough to be at least worthy of it failed, you know, content. And we just never expected it to work,
00:51:58
obviously. Um, and she starts laughing at me as my mustache falls off my face. I pick it up. I put it on. She
00:52:05
essentially laughed at me like, "Fucking, what are you up to?" I didn't
00:52:09
try and press on with anything else. I sort of looked back at the people that I know are secretly filming. I'm like
00:52:13
shrugging my shoulder. I was like, "Fuck, this is pretty [ __ ] It's not
00:52:16
working." Cuz we were going to film a whole bunch that day. Didn't think
00:52:19
anything of it. We got into the van and off we went. Went and filmed these other
00:52:23
ones. Thought no more of it. This was on a Saturday morning. Sunday night rolls around and I'm about
00:52:28
to be doing prep for the morning rumble show the next morning and I go on to stuff.co.nz and there it is. this
00:52:34
pixelated picture of myself um from the airport security with a full do you know
00:52:41
this man um tattoos the one thing that always irks me I was like um when was that 20 2011 so that's
00:52:52
14 years ago I was in my 20s but it said mid30s I [ __ ] I like [ __ ] do you know
00:52:57
this guy did mid-30s I was like actually it's hurtful yeah all that haunted blah
00:53:04
blah and I was like [ __ ] cuz you know you see yourself on the cover of that like do you know this guy so I was
00:53:09
panically ringing uh Ben boy so I was you know Sharon was like what are we going to do and um anyway so that was a
00:53:16
hectic night I'm ringing the cops going and no one would answer I'm like if
00:53:20
you're looking for him I'm ringing you no one would answer I'm leaving messages
00:53:24
like let's get this sorted like oh this is not what you think it is I didn't try
00:53:27
and breach well I did but I didn't try I get to work that next morning Monday I'm
00:53:32
doing the show. Then all of a sudden it's leading the news. John Keys on Breakfast News. Um it's leading
00:53:39
everything. It's front page of the Herald again. Oh, it's front page of the
00:53:42
Herald with that same pixelated picture. Um then someone knows it's me cuz it
00:53:48
didn't take people would have known because obviously the same industry. And
00:53:51
then all of a sudden outside our windows at work all the cameras turn up. So all
00:53:55
the news there was all the cameras going there he is. I'm like [ __ ] what are we
00:53:58
going to do here? Like I've tried to ring the cops. this is hectic. Brad, our
00:54:02
boss doesn't know what to do at this time. And then our big boss at that time, Andrew Schustman, was like he's
00:54:07
like, "You need to escape down the back stairs and get the [ __ ] out of here."
00:54:10
And uh I don't know if that was his whole plan, but that's what I remember.
00:54:13
Just get the [ __ ] out of here. And um so I go down the stairs. I'm like, "This is
00:54:17
super hectic." Get in my car and just essentially drive past the cameras. Sharon was out there like, "Fuck off."
00:54:24
to the cameras cuz they were trying to get into the building. Um which I wish they had released that footage. That'd
00:54:29
be great to see now. um who are defending me. But I uh I so I'm driving then finally the police ring me back and
00:54:36
they're like, "Good day, mate." And I'm like, "Ah, good to talk to you." And
00:54:39
they're like, "Come on out to Monaco. We'll get this sorted." And naive, I was
00:54:44
like, "Ah, thank Christ." Went there, didn't have any representation, any
00:54:49
lawyers or anything like that. I go into the room and then talk to these detectives. They both played good cop.
00:54:55
None of them were bad cop. Like they both played good cop. didn't know they were recording me. Well, I didn't know
00:55:00
they probably did tell me they were recording me the whole time. I thought we got it all cleared up. Told them
00:55:03
absolutely everything. And then they go out of the room for 10 minutes and I'm
00:55:06
literally there twiddling my thumbs like, "Thank Christ this has all been sorted." Then they come in and they're
00:55:11
like, "Bryce Casey, um, you're under arrest. The civil aviation, you face two years imprisonment and $10,000
00:55:21
fine. You'll now be taken to a holding court um until we can process you in court at around 400 p.m. this afternoon.
00:55:27
right from main silent blah blah blah blah blah and I was just sitting there like
00:55:32
well like everything went silent I was like what what are you talking about I was like no because we just sorted it
00:55:37
out bro I just told you everything and he's like yeah everything you've told us
00:55:39
will be used in evidence and I was like you [ __ ] you got me you did me dirty you you got
00:55:45
me you got me dirty oh no and then like then I get taken to this holding cell and I'm still like oh
00:55:53
man what's going on and they put me in this holding cell with this other dude
00:55:55
and Um he he I I think he might have been there for something more serious than I was. And uh then he just starts
00:56:03
punching the wall. He's just punching this wall and he's like, "Fuckers."
00:56:08
And I'm sitting there like, "Oh my goodness." Like what do I do if this I'm
00:56:11
thinking in my head combos in my head if I need to defend myself like 112 or something like that. Something that's
00:56:17
not going out. I was like this is all so hectic. Then they moved me into a cell with Ben and Andy who had also been
00:56:22
arrested that day. They also thought they had come to be sorting out their issue. They too had been arrested. So
00:56:28
the cops got us all on that day. And then we're in this holding sale. Oh, one of the things that happened at
00:56:33
the holding sale. It's still one of my favorite stories as we are about to we've been processed. Courts told us
00:56:39
that we'll come back at a certain amount of time for um court and all that [ __ ]
00:56:45
And then they as before we got to holding cell actually sorry there's two parts of this. As we're going through,
00:56:49
they're processing you. So, I've never had that before where they're rolling
00:56:52
like you see in the movies. They're taking my belt off. They're taking my
00:56:55
shoelaces so for no self harm. They're rolling your fingers and ink to get your
00:56:59
fingerprints. Now, as they're doing the fingerprints, this the guy goes to me,
00:57:02
um, who's doing it? I'm I'm scared. I'm [ __ ] myself like, "Fuck, man. This
00:57:06
is >> Oh, man. This has got out of hand." I'm rolling my finger over and he's got my
00:57:12
hand on my finger and he goes, "What's Rod like?" I was like, "Fuck, man. I do not want to
00:57:19
talk about [ __ ] Raj right now. Like he's like [ __ ] he's crack up and he's
00:57:25
rolling my fingers and I'm like mate. Anyway, so then they process us in court. We're about to be led out where
00:57:30
we where are aware there's a full um press a whole lot of press waiting and uh so we get led out to them later.
00:57:39
before we got put into that holding cell, this big security guy comes up and uh he had big unit and that's me, Ben,
00:57:46
and Andy and real aggressively he goes, "Who's first?" And I was like, "Well, I don't know what
00:57:53
you're talking about." And I'm sort of looking at the ground. I'm thinking, "If
00:57:54
anyone's first, Ben, it's you. This is all your idea, so you've got to say
00:57:57
first." He's, "I'm not going to [ __ ] ask again. Who's first?" I was like,
00:58:00
"Oh, no." Looking at Ben like, "You better say it's you." And Ben was like,
00:58:03
"What for?" And he puts on a glove and I was like, "Oh no." like [ __ ] what? This
00:58:08
day has grown from bad to worse. Now someone's going to be in my anus. Like what is this? And then uh and then and
00:58:16
then he goes, "No, I'm just [ __ ] with you." I was like, "Fuck."
00:58:21
And then we get led out. All the press are there and that is the picture that you have. So all of that had just
00:58:27
happened and that's why I'm arms crossed cuz it's been a hell of a day. All the
00:58:32
press are there. Yeah. And then we drive home. um leads the news that night and and then it was bloody
00:58:39
a year and a half of court and they wanted the the crown had said they or our our lawyer
00:58:48
thought that when it came time to the final day in court, the crown wouldn't
00:58:53
argue that they would accept um you know if we were you know to be discharged hopefully without conviction
00:59:00
um don't do that dumb [ __ ] again, pay a fine, do community service was goal um
00:59:05
obviously and but we didn't think the crown would argue that but then on the
00:59:09
day the crown did they were like let's actually they they said I was standing
00:59:13
there in in the in the dock like it was like watching your own TV program I was in that dock like on a TV program and
00:59:19
the crown is like your honor who knows what Bryce Casey would have done had he grabbed control of the airplane and I'm
00:59:25
sitting there like oh [ __ ] come on man and then our jud lawyer who is a smart man he goes I think if any member of the
00:59:33
courtroom takes a look at Bryce Casey, they can realize very quickly that he would have no idea what to do if he was
00:59:38
in control of a plane. And then everyone started laughing at me and I was like, "Perfect." And anyway, yeah, we got led
00:59:44
off uh well, we got discharged without conviction. We got a fine of a few thousand each and we had to do a bunch
00:59:51
of community service. Um but it was bad [ __ ] man. I didn't know whether I was
00:59:55
going to lose my job. It was a huge impact financially on Ben Boyce. Uh, and to his credit, Champion sort of looked
01:00:02
after us all um, in that regard. So, credit to him for that. I think it sort of would have obviously had a lasting
01:00:09
effect on Ben cuz it was such a big thing to be happening. >> We're lucky we're lucky that obviously
01:00:15
we're lucky that >> in my opinion that the judge had common sense obviously at the time cuz it we
01:00:20
weren't trying to get on the plane or do any of that. >> It was [ __ ] it was blown out of
01:00:24
proportion. We need I nearly lost my house. me and Sharon were buying a house at the time and it was literally to be
01:00:29
the day of exchange of the house or whatever, you know, I can't think of the
01:00:33
right wording for that, but the insurance were like going through all those classic questions and they're
01:00:39
like, "Anyone um do you have a conviction pending?" I was like, "Technically,
01:00:43
I do, but I'm not going to be convicted of it, I don't reckon." And that they
01:00:49
can't give you the mortgage with that. And >> yeah, so it was it was it was hectic on
01:00:54
many many fronts. There must have been um yeah during that period when it was all going on there must have been
01:01:00
moments of just severe worry where you thought [ __ ] maybe they'll make an example of us. Maybe maybe I'm going to
01:01:04
be incarcerated. >> Huge worry. >> And I can't imagine um how horrible it
01:01:08
is for people that love you, your family, Sharon, everyone else in your inner circle like having the prime
01:01:14
minister on TV [ __ ] talking about you. >> Yeah. >> In a negative way.
01:01:18
>> Yeah. Who was a friend of uh the show at the time too, >> you know? Like he's come on, as you
01:01:22
know, like he'd come on to the show and be your best mate, John Key. He was the
01:01:25
first of those prime ministers really. >> Yeah. >> Uh yeah, but you know like I thought I
01:01:31
was going to be in a heap of trouble with my parents and that everyone would be disappointed and it' be back to like
01:01:35
school days Bryce where um you know what have you done here? But I remember I rang dad and I was you know like it had
01:01:42
been a hell of a day and I was like and now I was ringing dad on the motorway on
01:01:46
the way way home from after that long day that I talked about before. I thought oh [ __ ] here we go. like now
01:01:51
it's the last part of the day where dad's going to ream me down the phone
01:01:55
and all of that sort of stuff which I you know deserved and expected and all of that sort of stuff as an adult and he
01:02:01
didn't he was the opposite like he was really caring straight away and I don't
01:02:05
know why it surprised me but um >> it's what you needed at that time >> I definitely needed it yeah he was just
01:02:11
he wasn't angry or anything he was >> real supportive and caring so I remember
01:02:16
that real clearly >> that's so >> one of those things you want to remember
01:02:19
to be able to do I guess as your >> as a parent yourself, you know. >> But yeah, it was a hectic time, man.
01:02:26
>> Hectic. Well, I I've worked with Ben since then. Um and it like it it changed
01:02:30
him as a person. Like he he if anything probably overthinks everything now and thinks about every possible outcome um
01:02:38
that could be negative in any situation he does, >> which some would say he shouldn't,
01:02:42
right? And even I would say he shouldn't. And I know I know Ben well, but yeah, then how could he not? Yeah,
01:02:48
we me and you weren't the ones who had to foot all that bill or face all that
01:02:52
uncertainty with work and all that sort of stuff. So yeah, you can't really put
01:02:55
yourself in his shoes, I guess, unless you >> dead set walked in them >> with um with
01:03:00
>> I don't know if it made me rethink everything though. >> I've done a bunch of dumb [ __ ]
01:03:05
>> How How long was it before that was uh that was on the cards for like radio
01:03:09
entertainment? Like still is. >> Yeah, I'm guessing for the first year,
01:03:13
two, three years. No, I had to do like a I'm that next morning I was doing like
01:03:16
full [ __ ] apologies. So, I'm really sorry for everybody that disappointed.
01:03:23
Sorry to media works. Sorry to everybody like that. Sorry to bring the rock into
01:03:27
disrepute. >> Um >> but for you personally, when did it start to become sort of funny?
01:03:33
>> Like you can look back now with the benefit of 14 years and go, "Okay, that
01:03:36
was a hectic time, but it's kind of funny." >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um
01:03:40
>> must have taken a while to Yeah. I'd say maybe three years. Three years.
01:03:43
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Two or three years. But I reckon there would have been
01:03:46
laughs in between that as well. Yeah. >> That's good. Oh, thanks for sharing that
01:03:50
stuff. >> Yeah, it was a heck of time. >> Well, it's part of your part of your
01:03:53
rich tapestry of life, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a moment. >> It's a moment. All right. Yeah. I can't
01:03:57
imagine cuz I I was in the studio next to you that morning when the Herald came out and so they had um
01:04:02
>> this is when the newspaper was still a big a big thing and it was like a big
01:04:05
photo on the front page outside the dairies and the four squares. You were the poster.
01:04:10
>> Yeah. >> [ __ ] You must have been [ __ ] yourself. I was. Yeah, I was.
01:04:15
>> Yeah, I was. I was really scared. >> You're like a a fugitive. Like a wanted
01:04:19
man. >> Yeah, but it was like the shittest movie cuz I was like, I'm ringing you
01:04:22
[ __ ] Like answer the phone. Like >> this is on you. >> You can't say wanted and then not answer
01:04:29
the [ __ ] phone when I'm trying to ring you. Like >> uh it all common sense played out.
01:04:36
>> Ironic that we didn't show much common sense in the first place of thinking
01:04:39
that was a good idea for a TV skit. M >> uh but you know you live and you learn.
01:04:43
>> But it went through so many filters though. No one flagged it. No one did
01:04:47
it. Did it go through heaps? I don't know. >> I think it maybe went through a few I
01:04:52
wouldn't say heap. But that's to my earlier point of being to his credit
01:04:57
very creative mind and Andy and all them. So there were stacks of skits and that was considered so [ __ ] at the time
01:05:03
when we did it that we really didn't think anything of it the rest of that day. There wasn't one sense of ooh [ __ ]
01:05:09
like hope no one thinks anything like or I hope no one says anything but I think
01:05:14
what had happened was originally on that day that I think that person the lady who was laughing at me I think how I
01:05:22
gather it is that she said in passing to someone else like how's that [ __ ]
01:05:27
you know dress as the pilot with the mustache falling off and then then that got said to someone else and then all of
01:05:33
a sudden ones get said to a few people like huh someone is addressed as a um you know a pilot trying to get through
01:05:40
security like a week out from the World Cup in this airport. >> Yeah, maybe it's al-Qaeda.
01:05:46
>> Yeah. Quick look at the security footage and then it sort of I think >> escalated.
01:05:50
>> It escalated to a point it shouldn't have. >> But then yeah, as I say, we probably
01:05:54
shouldn't have done it. >> Yeah. Or live and learn. Live and learn. >> Um let's talk about your family life.
01:06:00
So, um Sharon, what's the meat cute there? >> What's the How did we meet
01:06:03
>> the meat cute? Yeah. What's the What's the story there? So, you you you
01:06:07
mentioned earlier you after you left school, you followed a girl down to Denedan. That didn't work out.
01:06:12
>> Um, so you had a couple of relationships and then >> were you a ladies man?
01:06:16
>> No. No, I wouldn't. Well, no. No, I wouldn't say that. I mean, obviously
01:06:20
different people enjoyed being single at different times. I got to figure out how
01:06:24
to answer this. >> Uh, but no, I liked relationships. Like I had Yeah. I had one for a couple of
01:06:30
years uh at the end of school and then I had another one for a couple of years uh
01:06:33
who I lived with. Um and then me and Sharon had met at work but then at that time we each had different
01:06:40
relationships. Um she was doing the night show when I was doing the night show uh for the rock and she was obvious
01:06:45
doing the night show at the edge. Um we'd sort of see each other around and then and then um we yeah a few mutual
01:06:53
friends and stuff like that and it blossom from there. And then we were together for a little while and then um
01:06:59
and then we had a little break and then obviously Yeah. We've been together well
01:07:03
we've been married 13 years this year in October and >> I guess it 13 years. That was a great
01:07:10
wedding. >> Yep. You were there. >> Yeah. >> Uh and yeah, together what 15 or so.
01:07:17
>> How is it what's the what's the good and bad things about being part of a like
01:07:20
power couple? >> Uh well see I don't that doesn't sit comfortably. A power couple. I don't
01:07:25
really see us as a power couple. Um, >> and that's not trying to be humble or
01:07:29
any of that [ __ ] It's just a weird thing to >> to think of in that way. Um, I think you
01:07:35
definitely notice it sometimes if you're out and about. Like we I think we've got
01:07:39
to be more conscious of >> not the way you behave outrageously, but you're well maybe sometimes semi-aware
01:07:46
to >> not do what some of your mates do or whatever, you know, not to blow out. Um,
01:07:53
but it's great in the respect mainly Sharon's like, as you know, Sharon has
01:08:01
heaps of unbelievable qualities, right? But one of her greatest is is her heart and how strongly she wears it on her
01:08:08
sleeve. And so, like, >> I have no greater supporter uh on my side than her. And so given that and
01:08:17
also given the fact of her experience and the fact that she does the same job that's been hugely beneficial I reckon
01:08:22
for me even to answer your earlier question of longevity. >> Sharon would have been a massive part of
01:08:26
that because she gets what I'm talking about if I vent about this or that which
01:08:32
to anybody else would be like what are you complaining about like you worked till midday [ __ ] but she gets it
01:08:38
that relationship side of it because >> she's done the same job. So, that's
01:08:42
number one that I can think of off the top of my head. The biggest advantage >> that she gets gets what we get what each
01:08:48
other's jobs are. >> Well, you even you even said it before when you were talking about the 2011
01:08:52
pilot incident and she was downstairs telling the reporters to [ __ ] off. Like,
01:08:56
she's she is so um so loyal. >> E so loyal, so fiercely protective of people around her.
01:09:03
>> But I think I'm super loyal, too. And so, combined, >> yeah, it's a real definitely have each
01:09:09
other's backs. >> Yeah. and not negotiable. What What are your What are your respective fighting
01:09:14
styles like when you have an argument? >> It's all go. >> You know, you're on a hiding to nothing,
01:09:21
though. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh just >> But see, I mean, everyone has qualities
01:09:25
and faults and I I definitely have a fault of um like I can uh and I think I probably got better
01:09:35
over time. I don't know. She might say that, but we both I reckon what we both
01:09:39
do is the radio in us or the fighter in us cuz we both got fight in us. You have
01:09:45
to have the last word. And so like that can we can each [ __ ] go to ridiculous points of you'll think you finally got
01:09:52
the last word and then then you'll see this last word. And so um yeah, we're both we both can be fiery,
01:10:03
but you know what? to be honest like we don't fight heaps and heaps. I reckon
01:10:08
if we do fight like in a good relationship you which you should fight. I reckon if you never fought then I
01:10:14
think that's quite odd if you never fight. >> Um >> yeah, but I think we've probably got
01:10:20
better. We definitely got better at not fighting, but yeah, we're both we both
01:10:24
have fire in us for sure. Are you are you good at um like bringing up those tough conversations like you know like
01:10:30
at work if if one of your co-hosts is doing something to [ __ ] you off you you know you sort of Yeah.
01:10:36
>> It's hard though cuz it's easy in a relationship just to go h I'm going to
01:10:40
postpone this. Yeah. >> I need to have this conversation but I can't do it right now.
01:10:43
>> Way better. I've got better at asking other people whether I should and how I
01:10:46
should go about having those conversations conversations as well. So I do that. Sharon is the one who's
01:10:52
taught me a lot of that. >> Yeah. She's really good at those relationships. Like she even right from
01:10:58
early on would, you know, make me aware of and this sounds like she's telling me
01:11:04
what to do and not at all. But she, you know, if we had a I don't know, a fight
01:11:08
or what, whatever it may be. Sharon's really good at she's really emotionally
01:11:13
um what's the word? Uh vulnerable and um wise and things like that. So she's like
01:11:22
you, for example, she'll be like, you can't block that out or you're not
01:11:25
addressing that or you, you know, this needs to be communicated better or you know, we do this right and wrong
01:11:31
relationship wise or whatever. So yeah, she's she's real switched on. So I think
01:11:36
I've learned that from her, I reckon. >> Yeah, cuz you know, usually, you know,
01:11:40
like if you're early in relationships, you could have a fight or whatever and
01:11:43
then just be like, "I'm right." And the other person be like, "Well, I'm right."
01:11:46
Yeah, >> but it takes you obviously it's much better if you're just like [ __ ] no one
01:11:52
wants to fight, you know, like it's way better in any situation, whether it be
01:11:56
home life or work life if you if everyone's actually getting on. >> Yeah. As satisfying as what it is to
01:12:00
say, well, I'm sorry for whatever it is you're upset about. >> Yeah.
01:12:04
>> It's not helpful. >> That Yeah, it's not helpful. Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:07
>> Um Oh, that's great. Have you guys had like um couples counseling together?
01:12:11
Have you done any dual >> Yeah. >> relationship stuff? Yeah, I think we uh
01:12:16
should remember this exactly. Um >> Sharon was the first one. Sharon's a big
01:12:21
believer in therapy. Like >> as I say, like she uh even with all of this mental health stuff that obviously
01:12:27
we've done on the station, >> she's a good driver behind all of that
01:12:31
because she was the first one who really it sunk in with me the benefits of therapy and talking and all of that side
01:12:37
of it. So she's used quite a lot of it. And then it was because of her that I
01:12:41
tried uh it for the first time as well. Um and that gives you a better place to actually recommend it to you know our
01:12:49
audience when we talk about it. It's all good to tell someone to go and do something but if you've never done it
01:12:53
yourself then >> you know obviously gives you a better place of understanding. As for couples
01:12:57
um I think we could any relationship could do well for having it regularly >> but we don't. But it's funny cuz you
01:13:05
tell people to do all these things >> and you know it's going to be beneficial,
01:13:09
>> but you don't always do it yourself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like even with mental health
01:13:13
stuff. Oh, I could be better with my own mental health, I'm sure, >> than what I am. Um sometimes it's
01:13:21
cathartic as well to I don't know to be telling other people to do it. >> It's hard. Funny one.
01:13:28
>> You therapy therapy is good. I I I put off going for years and years and years.
01:13:31
I I don't know why. I just thought it'd be weird sitting down with someone you
01:13:34
don't know and like where where do you begin? >> Yeah. And not all therapists the right
01:13:37
person for you and all of that sort of thing. >> Find the right fit. >> Yeah.
01:13:40
>> Um yeah, you guys have been through like a lot and a lot of stuff that could
01:13:44
either bring a couple closer together which it has done for you guys or sort of make you go on your own path in
01:13:50
different directions like um you got a couple of kids now um Tyson and Ruben. Yeah.
01:13:54
>> Couple of boys. Is that is that it? You done or you? >> Yeah, we're done. I'm snapped.
01:13:58
>> Have you? How was that? >> Uh yeah. No good. I uh I got the one in
01:14:03
like one in 200 reaction. My testicle. Uh so so obviously they you know you got like these little noodles or whatever in
01:14:11
there. They look like little um uh I don't know little udon noodles. Two of them come out and they get like
01:14:22
they do different things and singe them and cut them or whatever. Anyway, when he had mine out, he was talking to me
01:14:27
about radio and about wine in Hawks Bay and he dropped one of mine and so it went back into the coin purse and I
01:14:34
could feel him rumaging around as he was talking cuz obviously you can't feel it
01:14:38
feel it but I was like what's going on down there and cuz you're laying on your
01:14:41
back sort of looking at him which is a weird place to have a conversation with someone in the first place. Uh anyways,
01:14:46
like I just dropped it. But all that rumaging [ __ ] everything up. And I had this um it worked, but I had like a
01:14:54
avocado colored and sized left testy for like a week. Like it shocked Sharon like
01:15:01
when I got home and it I couldn't it was really painful to walk. Anytime I moved
01:15:06
my stomach, it felt like a coil was sort of being pulled from inside. Now don't
01:15:10
get me wrong, that's nothing on what women and Sharon went through and all that.
01:15:15
But I but I certainly I paid me own little price. >> Yeah. So yeah, we're done. But also
01:15:21
mainly it would be >> I mean I'd love to have more and all that stuff and I know Sharon would but I
01:15:28
wouldn't be able to you wouldn't want to try with Sharon cuz we had it was so
01:15:33
touch and go even with Reuben our youngest. Um that I wouldn't a want to put Sharon
01:15:39
wouldn't want to go through that again I'm sure. Um and couldn't bear to lose
01:15:44
another child, >> you know, we lost three in the leadup. >> Yeah. Yeah. You want to talk about that?
01:15:49
>> Yeah. >> Three three miscarriages. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um yeah. 2013 you started
01:15:56
trying to conceive. >> Yeah. Probably. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> So, you caught stuff out of the way.
01:16:00
You're like, "This is good." Yeah. Yeah. >> I always wanted to be a dad. Like, I've
01:16:06
always wanted to be a dad. Going back to my earlier gynecology chat. >> Um
01:16:10
>> Yeah. I always wanted to be a dad, love kids. Um, and we thought it would just
01:16:15
be that classic easy, you know, like what almost you told when you were young, you know, to wear protection cuz
01:16:21
[ __ ] you know, you'll do it once and you'll be pregnant. >> Um, >> don't use that towel.
01:16:25
>> Yeah. Yeah. But it turns out it's >> Yeah. >> As many people will be able to tell. I
01:16:29
mean, you know, I know you you yourself obviously um and you've al always been
01:16:35
super open with that chat as well. Like it's hard for a lot of New Zealanders.
01:16:39
Um and so yeah, we we fell pregnant. Um and then yeah, obviously we uh lost our first one, which was uh brutal.
01:16:50
>> But how many weeks? >> First one was was reasonably early on. Uh, but then it's a weird answer that
01:16:59
cuz I think as soon as you're pregnant, you know, like I I never I always find
01:17:05
that weird how you're like you're not supposed to tell people till you're 12
01:17:07
weeks. Like >> I personally don't agree with that cuz I reckon it's such a joyous occasion when
01:17:12
you're trying for it. I feel like the more people you have in your support network
01:17:15
>> that you trust the better from 3, four, five weeks, whenever you find out
01:17:20
onwards because >> Yeah, man. And if it doesn't work for whatever reason and you lose it, like
01:17:26
it's brutal and it's super it can be super lonely where it's just you two and
01:17:29
nobody else knew. >> Um I I agree with that wholeheartedly cuz it's like you're supposed to keep it
01:17:35
a secret cuz that's the danger zone. >> Um but then you lose it and it's
01:17:38
suddenly you got to tell people you were pregnant and now you're not anymore.
01:17:42
>> Yeah. I don't like it. >> Yeah. It's there must be a re there's
01:17:45
got to be a reason for it, but I don't know what it is cuz if you've been on
01:17:48
the down side of it, it's not [ __ ] fun. >> No, not at all. Um yeah, it was it was
01:17:52
horrible. We I remember and because we had talked about it I think you know one two so one
01:18:00
we had lost and another occasion. >> Is that is that the one uh you called
01:18:04
Sharky? >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. There's Sharky.
01:18:06
There's Bunny. Bunny was first I think. Bunny, there's Sharky. Um >> yeah. There's one though I remember like
01:18:14
we one moment I remember I used to and Sharon in particular cuz it's so much
01:18:20
harder for Sharon and woman because you're the obviously the carrying the baby and so I think she felt even more a
01:18:29
sense of um failure. >> Yeah. Or guilt and all of those sorts of things which obviously you shouldn't and
01:18:35
couldn't but you can't tell someone how to feel. But then that's hard as a guy
01:18:39
too cuz you can't do anything cuz it's you're not carrying it. But I remember
01:18:42
we used to dread going to the sonogram. Is it sonogram? >> Ultrasound. Sorry.
01:18:50
>> It's to dread going to those because you didn't want to get the bad news that
01:18:53
you'd got previously. And I remember there was a lady that did one in particular, lovely lady. Uh
01:18:59
she knew of our loss before um as being a listener and lovely lady. And so she was she was loving when um Sharon was
01:19:09
pregnant again. and then was loving them and then we had like a follow-up and so
01:19:12
we actually grew to you know be like oh yeah this good place and then we went back and then turned it on and and the
01:19:18
heartbeat had gone and stuff and I just remember even seeing the disappointment in in her face. Yeah, that's brutal,
01:19:24
man. Like I Yeah, we cried a lot. I was Yeah, you cuz I mean you'd lost a child.
01:19:31
We still um you know Tyson, our seven-year-old, is smart little fella and even Ruben to
01:19:40
a little extent knows it. But they think of themselves, you know, as being one of
01:19:45
five. Like they Tyson will often reference um Sharky and Bunny and he'll make little jokes like, "Man, it'd be a
01:19:53
loud car if there were all five of us were in here, Dad." And um yeah, they
01:19:58
talk about them being up in the stars with our dog Wussie that passed away last year and um Warren G and
01:20:04
>> they yeah, they're well aware of it. But yeah, it's it's brutal. Uh so when we
01:20:10
lost the third one um Sham was having to get a DNC where if it's far enough along
01:20:21
it for in real layman's terms you can't pass it naturally or whatever they have
01:20:26
to do an operation or for a procedure to uh help sort of you know uh pass you know get take take little uh baby out
01:20:37
anyway. And uh so horrific to have to go and do that. Obviously for any person or
01:20:42
couple that have been through that. We're going to get that. And long story short, yeah, there was a guy Amar who
01:20:47
was the obstitrician. Um he is a private obstitrician but also as part of their job they have to work I
01:20:54
think a couple of days at the public hospital. We were there getting that. We met him and we had met many people at
01:20:59
this point obviously. Yeah. And my story remembers that he essentially was like,
01:21:04
"If you don't mind, I wouldn't mind having a look at something else while
01:21:07
I'm here. I've got I think I know what it might be." Yeah. And his suspicion
01:21:12
was that it was like a heart-shaped uterus that Sharon had. And so a picture of heart shaped uterus. And he was
01:21:20
correct. And so what he was able to do and what he said he'd do is said he'd
01:21:24
come in and laser and snip that sort of top of the heart part and make it one big oven. again. He said what was
01:21:31
happening when it was a heart shape was a bun would start growing on one side of
01:21:36
the oven and the other side of the oven didn't know there was a bun in it and it
01:21:39
would cut off the heat and so it could only get to a certain size. And that was sort of how he described it in a super
01:21:44
simple way. He said once I snip that it's going to be a full oven, your bun's
01:21:49
going to cook and you're going to have a little boy. And he worded it to us almost as simply as that. Um and at that
01:21:56
point we're like whatever, mate. Like >> you try anything, right? >> Yeah, you can try anything and sure
01:22:02
almost had you know super deflated and uh crushed after three. >> He did it. He snipped it. Tyson
01:22:12
and so >> [ __ ] >> Yeah. And he was the obstitrician for that. Um obviously ceserian at 38 weeks
01:22:18
for Tyson. Um amazing. And then yeah, Reuben was a different story. Um Reuben is he's got his middle name. So he's
01:22:26
Reuben Amar Casey. He's named after the obstatrician. >> What a tribute.
01:22:30
>> Yeah, pretty cool. >> Uh might have been gutted he wasn't Amar
01:22:33
Reuben, but um but he's Ruben Amar. And uh but that was that was a heap more
01:22:39
difficult pregnancy for Sharon cuz she was in hospital from like 21 weeks. It was co so we could only I could only
01:22:46
visit her for like an hour a day. Tyson couldn't come visit her. Um she was in
01:22:51
hospital essentially from essentially from 21 weeks until he was born at um 29 weeks or 28 weeks. 28 and four I think
01:22:59
he was >> 28 weeks 4 days. Yeah. So then into the Niku department and then that was co we
01:23:05
weren't allowed to see Reuben at the same time together. Uh he was born not breathing like you get all these
01:23:11
appreciations for things you knew nothing about. And obviously Niku department and Starship and that was
01:23:16
something I'd always heard about but you don't know it until you're in there and
01:23:19
you meet these other families and similar situations and coupled with co it was yeah a wild time like that's why
01:23:28
Sharon can sleep through anything now and she literally had to be in a hospital for you know 23 hours a day by
01:23:33
herself wondering if she was going to lose that baby you know like >> that's pretty tough pretty tough in an
01:23:41
obvious sense but also tough resilience >> to to get yourself through that amount
01:23:48
of time cuz I could just go about my day normally like I was still working >> cuz we could cuz of co we're still doing
01:23:54
radio. I still had to look after Tyson and um everything else. So I was lucky in that way that I could just keep
01:24:01
soldiering on where she was just there having to be >> living it, >> laying on her back. Um, yeah, that must
01:24:08
have been a hell of a mask that you put on at the time though, like uh to go into work for four hours.
01:24:13
>> Yeah. >> Cracking jokes with with this massive uh turmoil going on.
01:24:18
>> It was, but it was also like a perfect escape. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. It was quite a welcome escape.
01:24:25
>> [ __ ] It's a lot to go through. What uh even though Amar came up with um that
01:24:30
solution? Yeah. Why did you guys keep going after three? Well, that's a good question. I don't
01:24:36
know. Maybe I don't know if we're going to be one last attempt, one last crack.
01:24:40
>> Yeah, Sharon would answer that question better. I've sort of >> blocked it out.
01:24:45
>> Yeah, maybe a little bit. But I don't know if we're going to keep trying. I I
01:24:48
I could actually imagine Sharon probably was like, I can't do this again. >> It was such a toll.
01:24:54
>> And then that's when he was like, just, you know, let us try that. And then it
01:24:57
worked. But obviously it was so super nerve-wracking that the whole pregnancy with Tyson
01:25:02
>> right up until >> Yeah. that night before at 38 weeks. I've got a photo of it where, you know,
01:25:08
Sharon's sort of dancing around in the room. Uh I got a great photo of it where
01:25:12
she's dancing in her um underwear and Tyson's sort of, you know, popping out
01:25:17
at 38 weeks. And >> yeah, we were off the next morning to had to be at the hospital at 6:00 a.m.
01:25:22
for him to come out the sunroof. And so it was like, wow, what's happening? >> [ __ ] That whole pregnancy, you must
01:25:27
have just been holding your breath. Yeah. >> Four eggshells. Yeah. >> [ __ ] I'm glad it's been success for you
01:25:34
guys. >> I think I >> Yeah, I think we went to Oh, thank you. Yeah. >> Yeah, I am too.
01:25:40
>> Yeah, it's the greatest thing we've ever done. >> Cuz you you've done a bit of TV work.
01:25:43
You've been on seven days a bunch of times and you did stuff on the project as well and uh it was closer to the time
01:25:49
of this happening, but you talked about this on the project and yeah, you got emotional. I remember that.
01:25:53
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yep. Can't I can't control that the emotion stuff. Uh
01:25:58
>> it's powerful TV. It's good to cry and it normalizes it. I remember it
01:26:02
happening. I remember that exact moment cuz with the project it was almost over um
01:26:09
rehearsed and practiced which I'm not a big fan of cuz >> I get a read through but you know the
01:26:15
idea of doing read through to make sure you don't [ __ ] the words up and all of
01:26:18
that stuff but then also you lose >> those moments of you know spontaneity.
01:26:23
Anyway, but I remember with that one, I sort of knew what I was going to do as the lead into the story of whatever it
01:26:29
was, but then all of a sudden when it was live and I remember as it was starting and I could see the um cue on
01:26:36
the cameras that I was going to read and I remember thinking, "Oh, no." Cuz you
01:26:40
know when you know you're going to cry, you feel it. >> Feel it in the nose.
01:26:44
>> Yeah. You've got that two or three second warning where you're like, "Oh,
01:26:46
fuck." >> And I was just like, "I can't fight it." And then I remember thinking just feel
01:26:51
it when it's happening. Um, yeah, it's out of it. You also think you're crying
01:26:56
way more than what you are >> when you're doing it if you're talking
01:27:00
to someone or whatever. Cuz on replay or whatever, I pictured in my head I was this blubbering mess, but it was
01:27:08
actually sort of more just a >> broken voice and you could hear the emotion. you after something like that,
01:27:15
you must feel just like completely sort of vulnerable, >> you know, like it's hard to feel more
01:27:21
exposed than I guess you do. >> Totally. But then we came off air and my phone had blown up from friends and
01:27:26
family and all of that sort of stuff. >> Um, so I knew it was a good thing.
01:27:30
>> Yeah. >> But I think I'd learned before that as well that, you know,
01:27:35
>> emotion and vulnerability, vulnerability and all of that is is a, you know,
01:27:38
>> a superpower. >> Obviously a great thing. We we we all know that, but it's it's still, you
01:27:42
know, I don't know. It's hard. It's [ __ ] hard. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah. How are you like as a parent?
01:27:48
What's your what's your report card like? You're pretty good. What are you
01:27:51
What are you do? What are you better at? And you know, not as good as at at as what you thought you might be.
01:27:57
>> I still I look at my phone too much. >> Yeah. If I if I could do one thing less,
01:28:02
it would be I I've considered lately going ditching my iPhone and getting literally like a
01:28:11
flip phone. Like I've been putting genuine thought into it, having a few chats with a few people, but it's so
01:28:16
crucial for my job. >> Like so much my job revolves around little news things you find on
01:28:22
Instagram. Doom scrolling creates so much of our jobs content. >> Yeah, you can call it content hunting.
01:28:29
Yeah. And I justify that with but I but the reality is I spend way too much time
01:28:36
looking at [ __ ] that doesn't matter. And that'll be sometimes, you know, when
01:28:39
Tyson's trying to tell me a story cuz little seven-year-olds and three-year-olds talk so much that
01:28:44
sometimes that can become tiring. >> But then you got to remember like it goes so quick and everybody says that.
01:28:51
But it's so true. Like when I look at Tyson now who's seven and then I see I
01:28:56
remember when he was Reuben's age of three I'm like that doesn't feel like
01:29:01
that long ago. Um >> so that's one thing I wish I could do better is uh is not get distracted. But
01:29:07
I do think I do a good job you know like um >> like I go and play with Tyson heaps
01:29:13
outside. I try and spend heaps of time with them each um whether it be together or one-on-one. I'm super loving. I tell
01:29:21
them at nauseium how much I love them. Um, like to the point where it's punching. Like I'll say to Tyson, "Guess
01:29:27
what?" He'll be like, "I know you love me." Like, you know, that's not
01:29:31
something I always heard from dad much. Like I I can count I remember when dad said that to me when we were on a we
01:29:36
went away on a father son golf trip when I was like 13 or 14 and we were going to
01:29:41
sleep and it was just me and him away and he was like, "Love you, mate." And I
01:29:43
remember being like, "Fuck, whoa." Like out of it. And so like I'm sure he did say it heaps more, but I
01:29:51
remember that. >> Um but obviously people would Yeah. I don't know. So I I reckon maybe um maybe
01:29:59
you try and do too much for your kids. >> We're a generation I've talked about
01:30:02
this with other people too. There's such a wild difference in parenting between
01:30:06
my parents and us as parents. Whether that be through how you um you know punish them or you know all of
01:30:16
those sorts of things. You know you'd go out for 10 hours when we were kids skating and biking and whatever with
01:30:20
mates and come back when it was dark and now you'd be worried if they walked down
01:30:24
the street for for 10 minutes you'd be like where's Dyson? Who's got him? You
01:30:28
know like so there's such a huge difference but you got to let them problem solve. I'm I'm trying to I'm
01:30:33
trying to I'm trying to learn. >> Let go of that. >> Yeah. It's hard though. It's real. It's
01:30:39
really hard cuz you want to give them answers and you want >> I want them to they're in this snapshot
01:30:45
at the moment. Like I want them to stay how they are. Like it's such a beautiful
01:30:49
innocent ages seven and three where no bad shit's happened to them. Like everyone has to go through bad things,
01:30:55
but I I never want them to go through bad things. >> Like I just Yeah. I can gets me
01:31:02
emotional thinking about it, but like I just I never I don't know. I just never
01:31:05
want anything bad to happen to them. >> [ __ ] That's cool. >> So, it's like Yeah. So, I sort of want
01:31:10
them to stay as they are. >> That's cool. Well, I think like every >> Well, it will. And that's life.
01:31:13
>> Yeah. I think every generation does like the absolute best they can with the
01:31:17
tools and information they'veveve they've got available at the time. >> I don't I don't know if that over love
01:31:23
thing comes from how long it took to get them or not or whether I imagine I would
01:31:27
have been exactly the same with >> whoever was here. >> But if that's the worst thing you do as
01:31:31
a parent, oh, dad just loved us so much. Like I'm sure I do worse things. >> Yeah. But that's
01:31:38
>> that's what springs to mind. >> [ __ ] I can see you getting um like
01:31:42
emotional just like reflecting on the boys and talking about the boys. That's
01:31:46
that's really cool. They might they might stumble across this and watch this
01:31:49
one day and um I can't imagine how that would make them feel. >> Yeah. Well,
01:31:53
>> it's powerful stuff. Eh, >> you'd hope so. Yeah. That's the one
01:31:57
thing that scares me the most, I reckon, is uh or a something, you know, obviously them not having everything
01:32:03
they want and all of that sort of stuff, but um yeah, I I've heard you ask it on
01:32:08
different podcasts and sorry if I'm ruining your question for later, but I remember you have asked people what they
01:32:14
what they fear or what they're scared of. >> Yeah. >> And it definitely is death for me. I
01:32:19
[ __ ] hate death. I don't like the idea of it. I I hate the finality of it.
01:32:25
Hate that people face it. Hate that it happens to good people when other pieces of [ __ ] walk around. Um that irks me. Um
01:32:33
and I hate the idea of not being there for them. Like >> but of course that's going to happen cuz
01:32:39
it's natural. >> Yeah. And also Yeah. The FOMO aspect, the stuff that you miss out on.
01:32:43
>> Yeah. And I want them to be like I'm close with my mom and dad, but I'm like
01:32:47
I can't imagine like but I can easily also go a week or two without talking to
01:32:50
mom and dad, you And that's not cuz I don't like them or anything, but it's
01:32:53
just cuz you've got your own life going. But I can't ever see that being the way
01:32:57
for Tyson and Reuben. Like I'm like, I don't ever want it to be where we just
01:33:02
don't talk for a couple of weeks or whatever. Like maybe it's just a stage.
01:33:06
Maybe I'm just learning as a I'm just in that new parent stage or whatever. I
01:33:09
don't know. >> [ __ ] That's going to be the most heartbreaking thing. E like when they're
01:33:12
in their like late teens, early 20s and you want to pick up the phone and talk to them. You're like, "Oh, I'll give
01:33:16
them their space. I won't bother them." >> It's all part of it.
01:33:19
>> Where you feel like you're being used. I mean, ask me in 10 years I might be
01:33:22
like, "Fuck it." >> Yeah. >> I think that's the thing like this
01:33:27
little dog that's sitting in the corner and you would have found this the same
01:33:29
with your dog. It's like a kid that never does anything to piss you off. >> Um, but I think it's the natural
01:33:33
progression of life. Like your kids will do things to piss you off. So, you need
01:33:36
that sort of >> They definitely do things to piss us off. Don't get us wrong.
01:33:39
>> But it's funny, you can be so worn out and tired and all of that [ __ ] and be
01:33:44
like, "Fuck, we need to go out where it's just us. Have our own time." And
01:33:48
then you go out and the first thing you [ __ ] do is start looking at photos of them or like talking about them or
01:33:53
talking to other parents sharing the exact same stories. It's bizarre. >> Um and while these two boys have been
01:34:00
growing up um alongside that like um sort of in the sideline really has been um the mental health journey that you've
01:34:06
been on. Um the mental health stuff and what you've learned about that has that
01:34:11
changed your parenting style at all? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. How so? um
01:34:18
just a greater awareness of it and >> yeah well yeah I reckon that's where that fear
01:34:25
comes from cuz I'd never want them to not be able to ask for help if they needed it. M
01:34:29
>> I'd never want them to go through uh Yeah. I'd never I'd never want them to
01:34:36
go through things where they ever where that was ever ever a consideration >> cuz I've had obviously uh people close
01:34:46
to me and in my family and stuff that have taken their life >> and yeah the thought of it is really
01:34:52
scary if uh if anything like that happened to them. So upon us doing heaps of it uh at work and all of that and in
01:35:00
the show and then having the kids. Yeah, I think it's me and Sharon have been
01:35:04
really um strong in our hope that we talk feelings that again that's another great trait of
01:35:13
Sharon like she's always trying to get them to say how they're feeling and if
01:35:16
people are making you feel a certain way to be able to communicate it and >> um so we're trying to teach it from a
01:35:21
really early age >> and I'm sure Sharon will be really like I will be really thorough in
01:35:30
trying to show them vulnerability like I've cried a bunch times in front of the
01:35:33
boys um which you probably wouldn't have seen when you're growing up with our
01:35:38
generation parents and >> even discouraged from crying >> you saw it maybe once when their parents
01:35:45
passed or something like that you know so >> yeah I want to and always we always tell
01:35:50
them crying's good and all of that sort of stuff like >> see it's definitely changed and shaped
01:35:58
how I will parent >> I reckon >> that's Oh yeah, that's >> it's scary though, man. It's scary cuz
01:36:05
you can never Well, cuz like it's just it's a um I don't know. You can't control you
01:36:15
can't control people's brains. You can have >> hopes for how their brains treat them,
01:36:19
but everybody's brain treats them differently. And >> uh so many times you can think that
01:36:26
people are going all right and they're not going all right and you'd never
01:36:29
know. And people have great ways of doing different coping mechanisms and >> telling people what they want to hear
01:36:35
and all that sort of stuff and you just never really know. And that's that scares me.
01:36:41
>> Yeah. It's [ __ ] Eh, it's [ __ ] And I know not just my boys, that's for
01:36:45
anyone, you know, like it's >> it's a scary concept that never never
01:36:50
gets any better in this country. >> If anything, it always >> continually gets worse to some degree.
01:36:56
>> Yeah. Um, you know, I know Sh, you know, I actually both yours and Sharon, um,
01:37:01
you, you know, your life was tipped upside down at the beginning of this year with like a close friend of hers.
01:37:06
Wonderful, wonderful [ __ ] woman. >> Yeah. >> Um, it's hard though because everyone,
01:37:10
it feels like everyone knows that it's not weak to speak and it's okay to talk
01:37:13
and you can talk. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. I don't know what the
01:37:17
solution is there. >> No, neither. >> I don't know. But I I think
01:37:19
>> it's not as easy as a solution either. >> Yeah. And and if if simple solution,
01:37:23
>> if your previous 100 days have been [ __ ] [ __ ] and today's [ __ ] you think
01:37:27
tomorrow is going to be [ __ ] as well. So sometimes it can seem like there's no
01:37:30
light at the end of the tunnel. >> Totally. It can seem like the storm's
01:37:32
not going to, you know, not going to pass, but then it always does. And but then there's different degrees to it
01:37:37
too, you know, like not every not one person that takes their life is the same for the same reason that the last person
01:37:44
did, you know, like you know, people that are just brutally mentally um unwell. And that's different to someone
01:37:53
who's just in a bad state of depression who doesn't feel like it's ever going to
01:37:57
get better. >> There's people that are great people but feel like they're massive. The one thing
01:38:02
I've noticed with all the stories we've had and people I've spoken to because my
01:38:06
DMs get flooded um with all sorts of different stories. Some of them being like great stories of how you know
01:38:13
whatever that something might have done might have helped or got them to chat or
01:38:17
then there's other people like I'm in it right now or my mates's in it. And so
01:38:21
often something that comes through heaps is people feeling like a burden. M. >> So, I don't know whether that's
01:38:27
something that we put on our kids or we put on ourselves or or whatever from a young age that
01:38:35
people have too big a sense of um responsibility. >> That's where that burden comes from. I'm
01:38:42
not sure, but that's a real common theme that I've noticed. And these great
01:38:46
people that do so many great things and people love so much ultimately think it's for the best. And it's like, [ __ ]
01:38:53
you couldn't be more wrong. Right. >> No. And you >> never and you never got the chance to
01:38:57
tell them like you're so wrong. >> Yeah. You don't understand the and the
01:39:02
ripple effect it leaves not just with their immediate circle but it just goes out so wide.
01:39:07
>> So I've I've worked out too the other thing I've worked out is the pain that
01:39:11
they're in like if you've got a big um say you're at the casino and you've won all these
01:39:19
chips and all those chips represent the pain that those people are in. Once they
01:39:25
commit uh that act, all that pain just gets >> [ __ ] dished out to all their friends
01:39:32
and family. >> Yeah. >> Like that's how it is. So the pain they're in,
01:39:36
>> there's ends, but it gets given to those closest to them and it lasts forever.
01:39:42
It's not a thing that could pass or does pass >> for the people in and around them. It
01:39:46
lasts forever. you know like I still it's still brutal on on our family even
01:39:50
like 21 years later you know like not with other friends who are at different stages along with people in their lives
01:39:59
it's yeah it's forever >> so you personally how's your mental health been
01:40:04
>> I I I think all right but then I don't know like I sometimes you can't answer
01:40:08
your own questions um I'm I don't want to choose my words carefully I mean luck doesn't have
01:40:16
anything to do with I guess I'm fortunate that I've never really suffered any bad depression. Um, which a
01:40:24
lot of people close to me have at different times for whatever reason. I've had definitely times where I've
01:40:30
been in better headspaces than others. Um, I can get a little bit of anxiety, but
01:40:37
nothing like what Sharon will get really bad anxiety. Um, which is horrible. It's
01:40:41
horrible to watch. Um, yeah. I I could definitely be I could definitely do more and be better. I
01:40:49
definitely still sometimes let things uh build up without communicating them or dealing with them or or whatever.
01:41:00
Whether that be small frustrations with all sorts of things or messages that I'm
01:41:04
getting or the way I'm feeling about things. Exercise and stuff helps me heaps. Um, exercise is a great thing for
01:41:12
me or golf or seeing my mates or whatever it may be. >> As long as I do some form of ali if I do
01:41:19
nothing then I can just become I'll get real grumpy and I know I know when I'm
01:41:23
grumpy >> that I'm not >> good upstairs. >> I'm the same. I'm the same. If I start
01:41:30
getting angry irrationally. Yeah. Um >> yeah, that's when I know >> like if I'm even even little things like
01:41:36
say I'm waiting to pay at a restaurant and the person in front of me is like
01:41:39
questioning every item on the menu and I'm standing there going for [ __ ] sake.
01:41:42
>> It's like I'm I'm able to take a bird's eye view and go, "Okay, your mental
01:41:47
health isn't where it needs to be right now. This shouldn't be bothering you at
01:41:51
all." >> I'll always feel better after I've done that exercise. Yeah, that's right.
01:41:55
>> Yeah. >> I think it's all right. That's that's an interesting thing about you. So there's
01:42:00
there's yeah there's um there's people that have done huge amounts publicly for
01:42:03
mental health like uh Sir John Cerwin, Mike King, and they both ended up in that space as a result of um suffering
01:42:10
brutal depression themselves. You you haven't suffered it, you've just experienced it as a like a third party.
01:42:15
>> Yeah. >> And now you've become this ambassador for lack of a better term.
01:42:19
>> Yeah. >> So it started when when when you were at school. >> My first experience of it uh was a mate
01:42:26
Aaron French. He took his life when we were 16. Um, and Aaron was like my best mate when I was growing up. And I had
01:42:33
moved to Wellington from Oakland. And I remember getting called by one of my mates in Wellington. Um, that that had
01:42:38
happened. And yeah, he's cool sister who I every now and then have seen. U, but I
01:42:47
know her, she knows me. Her mom, his mom, Thelma was this awesome lady. and she actually started the um the yellow
01:42:55
yellow yellow ribbon trust. I want to get the right color ribbon. I think it's
01:42:58
yellow ribbon. There was the first sort of suicide um awareness group really advocate and they were the first ones
01:43:04
who did the first fight for lives. Um but his mom inspired that um to make sure it didn't happen to any other
01:43:12
family. Um so that was my first experience. Uh and then when in 2004 um my sister's husband took his life and
01:43:24
uh and yeah that was super brutal. Uh >> you know 2 and a halfyear-old son at the
01:43:30
time my nephew and I've never seen grief like it like >> yeah heinenous. Like you wouldn't wish
01:43:37
it on the person you hated the most. >> Like it's it's horrific suffering. And
01:43:44
then uh so that was huge. And then since then, I mean, we've obviously we've
01:43:50
known mutual people. Um >> another friend of the the one who inspired it on the show was a friend
01:43:57
Timmy Hutchkins. Um >> a good old mate, good old dirt bag mate. And he um he took his life in 2017.
01:44:09
Little girl as well at the time. And um yeah, everyone knew Timmy. Everyone loved Timmy. life of the party, all of
01:44:14
that sort of stuff. Um, uh, and yeah, the whole he was the genesis of it really on the on the radio because it
01:44:21
was, um, uh, that morning that I was going to his funeral and I'd asked Brad, our boss,
01:44:26
and asked Ro and that I was like, I'm going to this funeral, site seems to be
01:44:30
this thing that's happened a couple of times in my life and it sucks. Um, I realized we had such a big male audience
01:44:38
and I just said, I reckon that's a good opportunity for me to just write down
01:44:42
I'll prepare it. so I don't ramble. Like, do you mind if I prepare this little thing saying it sucks and if
01:44:48
you're battling um you know, essentially go and see someone? And Brad was all for
01:44:53
it to his credit. Um, of course he was, but you know, some bosses might not be might not want to bring the buzz down,
01:44:59
you know, on a breakfast radio show. >> Yeah. Well, it was new. It's very new at
01:45:03
the time. It was unheard of. >> And Raj was the same. He was like, "Yeah, mate. Good idea." Um, and then so
01:45:09
yeah, did it and it got the biggest response to anything we've ever done. Like because I think the video got put
01:45:15
up afterwards as well, but it was immense the amount of people that it hit with. And so straight away we all
01:45:21
realized we're like, "Oh yeah, well this is I became really aware, instantly
01:45:26
aware of the importance of the platform that we had um and the privilege that I brought with it. But then it became a
01:45:34
thing of trying to um balance it cuz you still wanted to do your show and be yourself,
01:45:41
>> give people a laugh. >> You couldn't do it every break. >> But that um that that moment there, I
01:45:47
mean, it's easy to look at this with um eight years of hindsight, but it sort of
01:45:50
changed in a small degree, I guess, the the course of that radio station. >> Yep.
01:45:55
>> Like it it really it like gave gave this radio station a heart. >> Yeah.
01:46:00
>> It also showed Yeah. And that's to their credit, too. Like, you know, like all
01:46:04
the big bosses didn't try and dampen it or lessen it. >> Our immediate boss, Brad, was super
01:46:11
supportive. Um, all the other shows and people bought into it, you know, whether
01:46:16
that be Jay and Dunk or whoever it was that, you know, in the afternoon show was doing it. Everybody was a part of
01:46:20
it. Um, but mostly and most importantly, was our audience. Like, it was super important to the every radio station
01:46:28
says their listeners are the best, right? you know, like and every radio station says they're number one. Like
01:46:32
it's a classic old gag. Every radio show's number one depending on somewhere
01:46:37
somehow that you look at. >> But I and I'm not just saying it, but I I really genuinely know the Rumble and
01:46:44
the Rock audience are pretty special. Like the way that they've got behind everything that we've
01:46:51
done, the way they've looked after each other in those communities. Yeah, it's been it's been pretty unreal
01:46:58
to watch. >> Yes. In terms of fundraisers to do with it, how much have you raised? Like a
01:47:02
million bucks. >> 1.3. >> 1.3. Wow. >> Yeah. >> So, there's been there's been the kids
01:47:07
book last year, Tummy Rumble in the Jungle. >> Couple years ago, kids book. Yep. Tummy
01:47:10
Rumble in the Jungle. >> Which sold like 20,000 copies. >> Yeah. That's Yeah. Big book company
01:47:15
turned us down. Said that it's not a good idea for a book. A fart book. I was
01:47:18
like, it's a [ __ ] great idea for a book. Like, what kid doesn't love a fart
01:47:22
book? They're like, we don't see it covering costs. So, we ended up having
01:47:26
to do it ourselves, which worked out spectacularly because then like I think like $16 from every $20 book got to go
01:47:36
to Gumbbert Friday and we sold 21,000 copies. And so that was 346,000 that went straight to uh Gumbbert Friday.
01:47:46
>> Unreal. And there's there's the um the darts marathon, day on the darts.
01:47:49
>> Two two different darts ones. One was a day on the darts, 24 hours of darts. I
01:47:53
think that raised like 250 odd thousand. The next year we did a day and a bit on
01:47:59
the darts which was um 30 hours and I think that was like another 300 odd. Um started off with the bowling. Uh we did
01:48:08
the bowling in 2019. That was the first of them. That's still probably the most
01:48:12
important thing we've ever done. Uh that was 58 hours of tempon bowling and that
01:48:17
was each minute represented a Kiwi that had tried to take their life the year before. It was like 6 and a half
01:48:23
thousand minutes. >> And so that was how we sort of worded it >> cuz a few years ago early on I they had
01:48:29
got me to try and bowl for 58 hours. >> Oh, was that the Cure Kids one? Was that
01:48:33
a Cure Kids? >> I did it twice. >> 2014. >> You don't learn, do you?
01:48:38
>> 200 Well, like I said earlier, yeah, 2014 I did it for Cure Kids. That was I
01:48:43
think we raised our 80K for Cure Kids. But we did it in 2014 cuz it was 10 years on from 2004 when I first did it.
01:48:50
And that was for Nick and Raj. the breakfast show at the time and that was [ __ ] that was just to fill a few breaks
01:48:55
essentially. Um it was to try and get a Guinness World Record which was at 58 hours and I got real close. I got like
01:49:02
hours out >> anyway and uh so yeah it was 20 years on or no sorry 15 years on in 2019 when we
01:49:08
did it and it worked out perfectly with the numbers of >> yeah the 6 and a half thousand attempts
01:49:15
>> or three and a half thousand maybe it's >> [ __ ] sleep deprivation is the worst
01:49:20
though. It's the worst. It's terrible. >> Her horrific. >> Yeah. I I I was in terrible states in
01:49:25
that. >> Yeah. There's a real powerful photo. I think it's um actually there might be a
01:49:29
couple. I think there's one of you and Sharon hugging and there's one of you
01:49:31
and you and um Andrew Mulligan um having a hug as well and you look like a broken
01:49:35
man. >> Yeah, I was. Yeah. He'd just come and comfort me. >> Yeah.
01:49:39
>> I'd just start crying. I had no control over it. Your emotions would just Yeah.
01:49:42
I just didn't want to do it anymore. Had this counselor come along. He was really
01:49:45
important. He was about 30 hours into it. I was like, I cannot go for another 28 hours. like and he was like, "Why are
01:49:52
you doing this?" And he was [ __ ] me off cuz he was just right in my face,
01:49:55
you know, when you're tired. He's like, "Why are you doing it, bro?" And I was
01:49:58
like, "Fuck, mate. Like, it's [ __ ] obvious why I'm doing it. Like, we're
01:50:01
raising money for Gumb Friday." He's like, "Yeah, I know that's the end
01:50:05
result." He's like, "But why are you doing it?" And uh I remember being like,
01:50:08
"What is this [ __ ] talking about?" And then he's like, "Why'd you come up
01:50:14
with this in the first place?" And I was like, "It's for suicide." He's like,
01:50:18
"Why?" He's like, "Because I don't want people to do it." He's like, "What do
01:50:21
you not want them to do?" I was like, "I don't want them to give up." And he's
01:50:25
like, "Then that's what you got to do, not give up." He's like, "Just keep
01:50:28
thinking of that the whole time." He's like, "Five Friday will come around. And
01:50:33
if you gave up now, when that 5:00 p.m. comes on the Friday, you'll be disappointed that you didn't stay doing
01:50:40
it." And I was like, "Fuck you. >> You're right. Damn it. >> [ __ ] you. You're right." And he was
01:50:47
right. But it was important. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's a real powerful metaphor in there, isn't there?
01:50:53
>> Yeah. Not giving up. And and like he was right when 5:00 p.m. came around a
01:50:58
moment that I thought was never going to come and was impossible. When it hit, I
01:51:02
was euphoric. >> I was skulling a bear. I was like, you know, >> suddenly you don't feel like asleep
01:51:09
anymore. >> No way. I actually took ages to go to sleep after that. I was I was in my I
01:51:13
was in this hotel room by myself just having a couple of beers going, wonder what people are doing. remember texting
01:51:18
a mate and he's like, "Go to sleep, bro." Like [ __ ] no one's coming to
01:51:22
see you. Go to sleep. >> Yeah. >> But putting yourself in in this position
01:51:26
and doing these things and becoming this um sort of spokesperson, like what sort
01:51:30
of toll has that taken on you personally? I'm guessing you get inundated with all these um uh really
01:51:35
important DMs. >> Yep. >> Um and you're not trained to deal with
01:51:38
them. You they sort of deserve your priority or attention. >> Y don't know how to respond to them all.
01:51:44
Sometimes I'll just sort of do I don't I started early on. I'd reply to everyone,
01:51:48
but I can't do that now because I don't have the right answers for everything.
01:51:53
Um, and so I'll sort of I'll address it every now and then by doing sort of like
01:51:58
a a post or a story in and around the messages. Uh, and I'll reference them on
01:52:03
the show and that sort of stuff. But yeah, I get heaps of heavy [ __ ] man. I get people coming up at it's at concerts
01:52:10
where I get it the most. But it's a strange thing because it's I've I've
01:52:14
also welcomed it and asked for it. >> So I can't be sort of off it. Um but I also don't always know what to
01:52:22
say or do. Like I and it's a great it's a privilege cuz people are coming up and
01:52:28
being vulnerable and telling you things that are really important to them, which is what you've encouraged.
01:52:36
But it's also Yeah. It's quite a lot to take on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, like you're getting told
01:52:41
super specific heavy details at times where you're like >> it's like I feel like Mike King there's
01:52:48
been times over the years where you've seen him sort of like crashing and it's
01:52:51
100% we had too much well he came down he had that massive breakdown on our show.
01:52:57
>> Yeah, that's right. >> I don't know if you recall it but like
01:52:59
he just >> Yeah, he had a full full breakdown right in front of us. >> So it was it was horrible. What would
01:53:06
your message be to um your Kiwi men in particular who are struggling but don't
01:53:10
know how to ask for help or don't know where to begin? Well, I reckon first of all they'll do well to even
01:53:25
admit it and accept it that they are not doing well. Too many people will try and
01:53:30
too many guys will try and lie to themselves. um that back to that whole burden factor of you've just got to keep
01:53:36
going. >> But I think we're getting better at being able to admit when we do need
01:53:42
help. And so when you do, you can, you know, you can a lot of people will message us and ask us that same
01:53:49
question. And we've got a bunch of people to send back as lines of hope. Um it's talking to different people. It's
01:53:57
telling people that you trust. Um, which can feel like a really probably silly or
01:54:01
stupid thing to do. You know, if you get bad responses from people in the first place of being like, "Fuck, you'll be
01:54:05
right, bro." Like, or I've got this going on. It's [ __ ] way worse than
01:54:09
what you're going on. Well, they're not the person to talk to, you know? Like,
01:54:13
>> I also think talking to people that might not be the closest people is might
01:54:17
work for you, you know? Like, say your best mate is also [ __ ] at communicating.
01:54:22
Like, that's not your mate's fault. He's just [ __ ] at communicating.
01:54:25
>> He's not He's not trained. >> It's not his fault either, you know?
01:54:27
Like it might be someone at work, an intelligent person at work or whatever, you know, or a family friend or
01:54:36
Yeah. Just trying like don't >> don't not try. >> I just don't think people realize
01:54:45
how many people really care. They just don't know. They just really don't realize how important
01:54:53
>> people how people don't realize how important they are. >> Yeah. Yeah. And just
01:54:57
>> because also we live in the Yeah. And how dev and we live in this life of
01:55:00
like, >> you know, you see everything on Instagram. You see [ __ ] great people
01:55:05
doing cool things and no matter where you are in life, there's always someone
01:55:08
doing cooler [ __ ] or better [ __ ] than you. And so, you know, and so that must
01:55:13
be absolutely even quantified for [ __ ] average Joe, you know, I imagine in this day and time. Like,
01:55:21
>> and that could add pressure to you. Like, so you could feel less important
01:55:24
than what you are, I imagine. Um, >> coupled with everything else, like >> Yeah, it's tough, man.
01:55:32
>> Yeah, life is tough. >> Life's tough for a lot of people. >> What about you? What What would your
01:55:36
personal like rock bottom be? Would it be the the fertility stuff, the >> I suppose at the time the arrest thing,
01:55:45
the pilot thing must >> That's [ __ ] all. >> Yeah. Really? >> Yeah. It was it was important at the
01:55:50
time, but it was it was nothing. >> Yeah. You look back with 5 years of >> Yeah. It's nothing for you. Yeah.
01:55:58
>> Yeah. Rock bottom. Rock bottom is is two things. Yeah. It's It's Yeah. Seeing the grief in my family
01:56:10
uh with that loss of life and >> Oh, with your sister's husband. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. uh and seeing how that
01:56:17
what that did to my family. And then obviously, yeah, losing uh having miscarriages was a horrible
01:56:26
feeling. >> Wouldn't I think it's sort of um I don't know. I don't want anyone to ever have
01:56:32
that happen. Uh but I certainly don't think it's maybe looked upon as tragically as what they are for those
01:56:42
people that it affects cuz it happens like one in four pregnancies or something crazy. So it happens to people
01:56:46
all the time but it's really just >> talked about well no and it's also
01:56:52
looked at as yeah they happen. They say, "Well, yeah, I get they happen, but
01:56:56
they're also horrific, >> you know, people's Yeah. devastating people's dreams end and
01:57:03
>> all that sort of stuff." Yeah, they'd be my two that I can think of.
01:57:06
>> Yeah. >> Have you got better through this whole mental health um journey with your
01:57:10
vulnerability with mates and or have you always been pretty good with forcing the
01:57:16
conversations that are more than superficial? >> We've definitely got better, but I've
01:57:20
always been I've always loved my mates. M >> yeah I've become a better person like I
01:57:27
wasn't always a good person I reckon like I definitely did some [ __ ] bag things when I was teenager and all of
01:57:32
that sort of stuff like so I reckon I've become a better person I think well I try to be also not
01:57:38
obviously not perfect and all that stuff but it's made me a better person I think
01:57:42
um it's funny how bad things can make people better you know or >> hard things uh but with in terms of my
01:57:51
mates I've always been uh a passionate mate, I reckon. I wish I saw and spend
01:57:57
more time with my mates now than what I do. But that's also life. >> It's hard when you get older, right?
01:58:01
>> You know, I got to go to bed early every night. You know, you want then you've got your
01:58:06
own relationship and then you got your boys and sometimes you're just like I
01:58:10
love nothing more than [ __ ] doing nothing. M >> it's like a nice little like once the
01:58:16
kids have gone to bed and you've got this 2 or 3 hours of your own time like
01:58:20
it's a >> well you've got a treat a highly socially stimulated job you know so it's
01:58:26
understandable >> yeah that's probably adds to it >> okay to be in the piece
01:58:30
>> what's your um Mike King talks often about his the inner critic what's your
01:58:35
inner voice in a critic like >> um I don't know I think everybody probably suffers a little bit at times
01:58:40
from that imposter syndrome thing that gets talked Uh >> my inner critic uh
01:58:48
>> like are you are you generally quite nice to yourself? >> I don't know. It's hard to answer that.
01:58:55
>> Um I think so. Like uh I am I definitely am sensitive like things that I might not
01:59:04
might not look like hurt you or affect you would. I reckon uh >> I don't know I can be self quite
01:59:13
self-conscious at times different things um >> yeah I mean yeah you definitely critique
01:59:21
yourself but I don't know I mean I guess you just always wish you were better at
01:59:24
everything you did you wish you were better in >> your relationship you wish you were
01:59:29
better as a parent all those sorts of things um but I but I don't think I also I don't think I bag myself
01:59:37
heaps either Yeah. >> Well, I think that's a good >> Definitely don't think I'm perfect by
01:59:42
any stretch, though. I don't walk around like [ __ ] Yeah, >> I'm done. No work. I'm done. I'm done.
01:59:47
>> What's on the to-do list? >> Yeah. Yeah. Looks like we are good to go
01:59:51
here. Certainly not like that. >> Well, I think I think that's good. Like,
01:59:54
if you're not if you're not flogging yourself and beating yourself up, but
01:59:57
you're aware that there's still areas that have room for improve, I think
01:59:59
that's a good space to be playing in. >> Yeah, I think so. I think that's most
02:00:03
people though, isn't it? >> Best and worst habits. H best and worst habits.
02:00:09
>> I should have asked Sharon this one. >> I don't know. Do you mean like around
02:00:15
the house? Do you mean >> I don't know. You interpret that anyway you want.
02:00:21
>> I don't know. Worst habits I probably get grumpy more than I should.
02:00:24
>> Yeah. >> Um like I spoke to earlier, I would say I wish I didn't get but then you can't
02:00:30
be happy all the time as well. Um worst habit again I would say phone doom scrolling. I'm getting I'm finding
02:00:36
myself growing more and more tired of that lately. Uh that's definitely a thing. Um
02:00:43
worst habits. >> I don't know. It's hard to think of those on the spot. Uh
02:00:50
>> I'm sure Sharon has a lot of list of things I do around the house that annoy
02:00:52
her greatly. >> Yeah. >> Breathing loudly. She hates the way I breathe. She also hates the way you eat
02:00:57
apples. >> She hates the way I eat. Hates that you can hear me chewing. Um she can hear me
02:01:03
chewing when I eat. That's one. >> But then she leaves she leaves [ __ ]
02:01:07
shoes everywhere, so she's not perfect. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um that stuff's cute in relationships. I
02:01:12
remember by the time I left home, like my dad had a like a clicking jaw and we was living in quite a small house.
02:01:18
>> I could the noise just became so loud like wherever I was in the house, I
02:01:21
could hear him eating his wheat bugs. >> Yeah. Yeah. That would be I'm sure what
02:01:25
she says. >> Yeah. >> But nothing nothing >> springs straight to mind of
02:01:31
>> best and worst habits. >> Yeah. What about um regrets? Um what do I regret?
02:01:47
Um uh I mean well when me and Sharon were first together for a little bit, we broke up
02:01:54
and I was a bit of a dick and that was um Michael to break that up at that time. I regret that because I know how
02:02:03
much like that hurt Sharon at the time and so I don't like that I did that. >> So I that would say I'd say that that
02:02:11
springs to mind. Um you never want to hurt people that you love that sort of stuff.
02:02:15
>> Um >> I reckon she's probably forgiven you. >> I don't know.
02:02:19
>> Actually, what am I saying? >> Does it come up from time to time?
02:02:23
>> Maybe. Um no. No, she's good. Um yeah, I I reckon I regret uh yeah, you know, like as I say, like you
02:02:33
weren't always perfect. So there would definitely would have been friendships
02:02:37
or um you know, [ __ ] if you got into whatever whatever trouble or dumb [ __ ] I
02:02:44
did when I was in late teens or whatever. I'm there would be things I did that I regret for sure in terms of
02:02:51
maybe how I treated some people >> um and wasn't mature or whatever at the
02:02:56
time to be better. Um trying to impress other people. >> Yeah. Sometimes you can regret trying to
02:03:04
do what you think you should do >> instead of just knowing what's right in
02:03:07
the first place, you know. >> Yeah. >> Part of the learning experience though,
02:03:11
isn't it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I forgot to talk about all the
02:03:15
awards you won as well. There's so there's been um yeah two Kiwi Bank local hero of the year awards for
02:03:21
the the mental health stuff and also you in 2020 you won the um at the New Zealand radio awards uh the poor sir
02:03:28
Paul Holmes award for overall broadcaster of the year. >> Yeah really swept under the rug that one
02:03:32
though cuz it was in co there was no awards. >> Oh there's no ceremony.
02:03:35
>> Never got to do a speech. >> That's what I was Yeah. We were on a
02:03:38
live stream feel really ripped off with that. Everyone had already shut it off by then. [ __ ] yeah. The awards are done.
02:03:44
I didn't win. But do they um are they special? They they mean a lot to you. >> Uh
02:03:49
>> I've seen photos on your Instagram being New Zealander of the year nomination
02:03:52
one. I mean that's cool cuz you know um that means someone's nominated you and
02:03:58
but then that's also that those and I was as I've always said which I mean
02:04:01
they're a big reflection of everything the station and shows done. I get all
02:04:06
the accolades for the mental health stuff, right? But the show like Mels and them and Mel and Roger, I'm not just
02:04:13
saying it, but they're equally as big a part because you wouldn't be able to do
02:04:17
it without them. Um, and their support. So that I think that's a reflection of
02:04:22
them. So I am proud to get them. Um, broadcaster year I was stoked with because it gives you a sense of like I
02:04:30
fought so hard to get on the radio. like I I was told no time and time again and
02:04:35
that I you know wasn't really going to be good enough. I remember dad being like mate I know that you got passion
02:04:39
but this isn't working buddy like you know but I knew I was like nah [ __ ] I
02:04:44
know I can do this like I know I can and so I really just bullied my way into finally getting a job and then obviously
02:04:51
it's worked since. So that was for me a real nice sense of cuz when I was first
02:04:56
trying to get a job my dad was making olive oil he'd retired from banking he
02:04:59
was making olive oil village press. Um, great plug there. Go get it. Um, they were making it, right? And Paul Holmes
02:05:06
was getting it. He was making olive growing olives and wanted to make his own olive oil. So anyway, had dad come
02:05:12
around for a meeting at his house in Romeer. And I went with dad trying to do a whole
02:05:19
and dad was trying to get me into like this is my son and he like he's just finished radio training at radio and so
02:05:25
I remember meeting him at his house when I was 20 like before I started at the rock and I was like you and dad was like
02:05:31
Bryce here he wants to get into radio have you got any advice for him he's like don't do it I remember being like
02:05:37
he's like it's you know you're going to have years of where you're not liking it
02:05:40
and all of that sort of stuff but he was super lovely but so to win an award in his came and I remember that and
02:05:46
obviously he's one of the goats. Yeah, it was cool. Definitely proud. >> Yeah. And and to to be like a like a
02:05:52
dude on a a rock station on a music radio show that wins this award like Heather Dupy Ellen won it this year. I
02:05:58
think Hosking wins it most. Yeah. It's the highest >> honor you can win in New Zealand radio.
02:06:03
And you you I've won it before, but I won it as part of a team with um JJ Fen
02:06:08
and Mike Padu. But you're part of a team and you won it as um >> 2014 or something. You won that, didn't
02:06:12
you? Was it 2014? I think it was >> first first year. It was first year that
02:06:15
they had this award so I didn't realize what a big deal it was. >> Yeah.
02:06:18
>> But you won it as an individual as part of a team which is [ __ ] massive.
02:06:21
>> Yeah. Yep. Super proud of it. Yeah. It's rad. Um >> Yeah. Proud but it gives you
02:06:29
Yeah. sense of uh pride for sure. >> Yeah. I feel like those were goats. >> So you win this um heavy gold bar which
02:06:37
is in the shape of like a a speaker. Where is that? Um, and Sharon's now put
02:06:42
it on uh in our bedroom. It did have a real place of pride in our house next to my record player and stuff. Uh, but
02:06:51
there were too many big gold awards. So, she >> Okay. >> So, she's moved one of them that one
02:06:56
into my bedroom on my Duchess >> cuz the gold awards you only went there for the big categories at the radio just
02:07:02
get >> where we were putting them. We ran out of room >> so she hasn't won many e
02:07:07
>> so she moved. >> She She hasn't won many and her She should have.
02:07:11
>> I know. >> Uh she did win one though for a blackie. She won a blackie, but she just let I
02:07:17
think uh Ben I think took that gold statue or Jonno. >> Well, cuz you get one per team.
02:07:22
>> Yeah. >> So the too many gold bars you're talking about pretty much they're mainly yours.
02:07:27
>> Uh well, no, they're Blackie. Some of them are Blackey Awards. Another great
02:07:30
broadcaster, Kevin Black. No, I mean I joke when I say that, but that's what
02:07:34
she has kept them off to the side for. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, congratulations. That's
02:07:37
huge. >> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. It must must have felt really good. Like you were talking
02:07:40
before about your dad saying, "Mate, try something else." Like I feel like um you
02:07:44
mentioned James Coleman earlier who was like one of your idols when he was doing
02:07:47
the afternoon show at Channel Z. >> James Coleman was always one of these guys that had this like hum about him.
02:07:52
>> Yeah. >> I feel like you're one of these guys. This necessarily been like Bryce is
02:07:56
going to be the next big thing. You've just like grind away, worked your [ __ ] ass off,
02:08:01
>> kept your head down, and you've achieve achieved wonderful things. >> Yeah. Um Yeah. Well, thanks mate. Um, I
02:08:08
don't know. I Yeah, I have a great sense of pride of trying to do a good job. I'm
02:08:12
I'm proud of what we've been able to achieve in that space with mental health, but I also I genuinely like
02:08:18
making people laugh. I like making myself laugh. Like, >> we laugh a lot in our show. Um,
02:08:24
and a lot of it super genuine, you know, like. So, >> yeah, that for me is pretty lucky and to
02:08:31
be able to do that. Yeah. >> Well, if you're listening to your show, say you're in the car with other people
02:08:35
and you have it on like at a gentle volume in the background, you feel like you're missing out on something that's
02:08:40
going on. >> Well, that's great. >> Those [ __ ] are having a lot of
02:08:42
fun. >> That's a great compliment. That's exactly what we try and do as a show. We
02:08:46
want that's the whole ethos of the show is we want to be >> the group at the pub that are having a
02:08:51
funny ass chat that you want to that you're also welcome to join in and be part of.
02:08:56
>> That's literally how we position ourselves is how we want it to sound.
02:08:59
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's cool. So that's cool that you say
02:09:02
that. >> How close are you to being the best version of yourself? >> Oh, good question.
02:09:10
H probably probably still quite far away. >> Seven out of 10, eight out of 10.
02:09:21
>> H >> it's exciting thing about aging a that you think cuz I would have thought by
02:09:25
the time I was um I'm 52 now. I would have thought by the time I'm 50 everything was done. Everything you're
02:09:30
going to learn till you've maxed out. >> Yeah. Well, when we were kids and
02:09:34
someone was 46, which I just turned, so [ __ ] that dude's old ass. >> He must know everything. You're
02:09:39
>> old, bro. And now I'm that old, bro. But I don't feel 46. >> No, I don't feel any like all he's at
02:09:46
work like 21, 22. And I'm like, I literally could be their dads. It's like
02:09:51
that's so weird. >> I don't feel 46, but I see that that does like I don't feel 46. And
02:09:57
22-year-old was like, "You [ __ ] look it." And I was like, "Oh, fuck."
02:10:02
>> And I I I reckon the older I get, the more I realize that the less I know
02:10:06
about stuff. Whereas when I was in my late 20s, I probably thought I knew just about everything.
02:10:10
>> 100%. Yeah. Um, so out of 10, I don't know, man. Maybe a >> h
02:10:18
maybe a seven. Maybe. >> I definitely >> Not bad. I think you still you always
02:10:22
want to have that buffer of something. >> Six and a half. Seven. >> Yeah,
02:10:25
>> there are. No. Yeah. Six and a half. There are many things I could be better
02:10:28
at. M >> yeah. >> But you you're someone that you'd want to go and have a beer with?
02:10:33
>> Yeah. I like having a beer with mates. >> No. No. With yourself like
02:10:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think so. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yes, I would be. >> Yeah.
02:10:41
>> I think because um >> I don't know. Like I feel like I am someone who a loves to have a laugh like
02:10:50
which I do. I reckon I'm a good listener. >> Um yeah. Yeah. And I like talking [ __ ] So,
02:10:59
>> I think they're they're a good combo of three things. >> Yeah.
02:11:02
>> Someone who can talk something sort of serious can also pay each other out.
02:11:06
I've got I think I'm pretty good at laughing at myself. >> Yeah. I I'd have a beer with me.
02:11:12
Sometimes it is just me having a beer with me. So, that's why that's easy to
02:11:15
answer. >> And and um I I'm imagining you're the person in your friend group that um
02:11:21
you're the safe space everyone can go to for a vulnerable conversation. probably
02:11:26
maybe in these last few years for sure. I go and MC this uh fishing event every year. My mate Aaron owns Just Another
02:11:32
Fisherman, the clothing brand. He puts on this um >> uh fishing for men's mental health each
02:11:39
year. Anglers escape up north and uh it's growing and growing and growing. I
02:11:43
see there like 140 um anglers at it and I MC those nights and um yeah like heaps of mates go on that and yeah
02:11:52
they'll all come up for for those sorts of uh yarns and things like that and but
02:11:56
then tell me that they've been able to have conversations with their mates that
02:12:00
they didn't used to have and >> it's amazing. It's like 140 guys that
02:12:06
are menly, you know, manly men, like hunters as well. And it's so open the chat of um being vulnerable and yeah, I
02:12:19
think I made the joke this year when I was MCing up there. I was like, if you know, I've been at the Rock 25 years. I
02:12:23
think I'd celebrated it that day and then I drove up to MC it and I was like
02:12:26
if I you know had have been talking about men's mental health and being vulnerable and crying and um celebrating
02:12:33
that 25 years ago when I started if I mced a fishing comp at the Funo fishing comp I would have been [ __ ] what would
02:12:40
have been yelled at me you know like it would have been some terrible homophobic
02:12:44
[ __ ] something would have been yelled at me like >> you'd never have been welcomed back your
02:12:49
boss probably would have been like what the [ __ ] was that [ __ ] like and Now it's
02:12:54
encouraged, accepted, >> appreciated, >> people are right into it. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is this is your legacy.
02:13:02
Whatever happens from here on in, this is your legacy as like a broadcaster in New Zealand.
02:13:06
>> I guess so. Yeah. Which I didn't intend it to be. >> It comes with a bit of responsibility, I
02:13:11
reckon, too, though. I I got to make sure I don't [ __ ] it up. >> Oh, you won't. You won't.
02:13:16
>> And last one. Three words that you'd like um the family and friends to
02:13:19
describe you. when the time comes. Loyal. >> Mhm. Funny. Um, loyal. Funny.
02:13:40
Loyal. Funny. Genuine. >> Yeah. [ __ ] >> They're good words. Yeah, I reckon
02:13:50
they're them >> loving all of those sorts of things. But I think they all are byproducts of those
02:13:55
three things >> and you feel like you're living in a way with the words that they'd say
02:14:00
>> to the people that are closest to me. Yeah. >> Well, that's all that matters really,
02:14:03
isn't it? >> Yeah. >> This has been a great chat. >> Time goes quick.
02:14:08
>> How are you tired? You did a breakfast radio show this morning. >> Yeah.
02:14:12
>> High energy. Then you finish on the air and you sort of crash, have a post show
02:14:16
meeting or whatever. You came straight here. >> Then I started crying in here. That gets
02:14:20
you tired. >> Yeah, I am. No, no, no, I'm not. >> I enjoyed it. >> Is it nice to reflect?
02:14:28
>> Yeah, it is. Cuz I wasn't sure. I knew a couple of things might come up, but I
02:14:32
wasn't sure how the conversation would be shaped as well. >> Do a good job of uh of listening and
02:14:36
asking questions. >> Yeah, it is good to reflect. It's also good to have a think about things that
02:14:42
you know you need to think about >> that I should put more thought into. Well, I I appreciate the thought you
02:14:49
gave some of the answers before answering. >> Yeah. Well, I was hoping I wasn't
02:14:53
leaving you too long, >> but you also don't want to say something that isn't correct.
02:14:58
>> Yeah. Oh, no. I appreciate it. You're you're a good bastard and I feel like
02:15:02
you just get better with age. >> Yeah. Thanks, mate. Yeah. Um, as I say, Yeah. Yeah. It's a funny thing. It's
02:15:07
funny thing in New Zealand. I've heard you ask that with other guests as well.
02:15:10
You know, New Zealanders can be quite hard at accepting praise or um whether they're proud of themselves or whatever.
02:15:16
I know you've asked people that before. Um >> Oh, you normally end with that. Yeah.
02:15:19
Are you >> I'm proud of who I've become. >> Okay. >> Yep. Yep. Proud of who I've become.
02:15:28
>> Awesome. >> Yeah. Hope hope hopefully hopefully I answer you the same way in 10 years.
02:15:34
>> Well, I think you're just going to be getting better and better, aren't you?
02:15:37
>> Yeah. Hope so. >> Like you're constantly like like you said before, you're like a seven out of
02:15:41
10. So, there's still things you're working on. So, you're just going to get
02:15:43
better and better. >> Yeah. Like there's probably things you're doing now and I'm hoping it's the
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same for me that 10 years from now you'll look back and go, "Oh, why did I
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do that?" >> Um, so yeah, constantly improving, getting better. >> Yeah, I hope so. Hopefully. Uh,
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hopefully I'm someone you still want to have a conversation with in 10 years.
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>> 100%. Bryce Casey or Bryce Anthony Casey as the New Zealand Herald called you in
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2011. >> Yeah. Dom Harvey, thank you mate. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
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Appreciate it. Thanks. Thank you.