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>> Bryce Casey, welcome to my podcast.
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>> Dom Harvey, nice to be here. It's weird.
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I listen to your podcast and watch your
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podcast more than any other podcast. So,
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it's weird to be sitting in this chair
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that I've sort of looked at and listened
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to.
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>> Yeah, you're a sauna listener.
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>> I'm a sauna listener. I listen to you
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nude, which I think is what I said to
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you when I saw you uh a couple of months
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ago. And then I realized that's a weird
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way to open a a conversation. Uh yeah.
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No, I I have a I got a little infrared
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sauna in our garage and uh I sort of
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have I listen to you in little 20 minute
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bursts nude. Enjoy it.
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>> I'm pleased it's a home sauna. Like if
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if you told me it was like, "Yeah, you
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were a racket club. I'm nude."
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>> I want to be that guy.
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>> No, I enjoy it. So it's nice to be here.
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>> Oh, thanks. It's great to be here. And
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you haven't um uh as far as I'm aware
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done a lot of these. I found one that
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you've done with um Brody Kane 5 years
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ago on her Kiwi Yards podcast. Is that
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the only sort of longish form podcast
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you've done?
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>> I reckon that and maybe Yeah. And maybe
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one with Sharon with Nadine and Dan uh
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Nadine Higgins and her husband went, but
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that was purely based on the fertility
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when they were trying to um
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>> have a baby,
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>> right?
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>> So they were sort of asking us questions
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about how our journey went. But yeah,
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no, nothing on myself specifically. So
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this may be your quickest yet.
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>> Oh, it definitely won't be. There's a
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lot to talk about. Did does it sit
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comfortably with you? Are you like okay
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talking about yourself?
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>> Every radio announcer likes to talk
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about themselves.
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>> I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to
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try and be [ __ ] humble or anything
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else,
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>> but I don't know what you're going to
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ask me. So, we'll see what gets asked as
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to how comfortable I am.
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>> Um, you've you've done some [ __ ] Uh,
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this year it's your 25th year
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anniversary on the rock. 15 of those on
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breakfast.
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>> Yeah, close to. Yeah. I think I started
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Bricky in 2008, 2009. So yeah, around
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>> even longer than that, right?
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>> Yeah, I think maybe Yeah, like 17, 18
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years or something on Bricky now.
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>> It's too It's crazy longevity at one
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station.
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>> Yeah, I remember when we early on, maybe
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five, six, seven years into it. I
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remember other people had said John O'
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Prior actually was one of them. He's
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like, you don't want to get typ cast
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into one station. And which was funny
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for him to say at the time cuz he was
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typ cast into the he obviously since not
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a good friend of mine. But um and I
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remember being concerned with that,
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thinking, "Yeah, I do need to be able to
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do other stations." But 25 years on, I
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don't think so at all. Like I think I
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could work on other stations, but The
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Rocks provided me with everything so
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far. So,
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>> and I still bloody enjoy it.
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>> I mean, if it's a if it's a station that
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you could retire on, that wouldn't be
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the Look, I remember having um like
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Christian Cullen on the podcast last
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year and loved that.
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>> He he he didn't want to go to Ireland to
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play for Monster. Like, he wanted to
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finish in Wellington. He [ __ ] loved
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Wellington. I don't think there's
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anything bad if you have your whole
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career at one outfit.
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>> No, I don't think so at all. And
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especially if um it's given you the
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things that you wanted it to, you know,
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in terms of whatever those personal
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goals are or you know, like for me um
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The Rock sort of provided everything. We
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we've been lucky though. We've been I
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mean used to work obviously at the
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company, but The Rocks are super stable
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station. Uh like I've had the same boss
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the entire time that I've been there.
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Rod, who's my main co-host on the show,
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has been like a constant mainstay the
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whole time. Even the other people on the
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show have been there a lot, like whether
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it be Andrew Mulligan or or whatever,
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and Dunk who works at the station. So,
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all of that, it's like a family. So,
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yeah, that makes it a lot easier to stay
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there as well when it's people that you
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actually like.
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>> Yeah, it's funny that you say it's like
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like a family and there's so many family
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members that have been there that entire
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time. Um, the difference between when
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you started and now, like they're two
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completely different stations in a way,
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aren't they? It's like a station that's
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growing up.
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>> Wildly different.
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>> Yeah. And I think you're you are a lot
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to do with that as well.
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>> Like the heart of the station.
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>> Uh yeah. Well, no. Yeah. Hard to answer
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that.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we we'll get to
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that later. But the charity stuff you've
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done, you've sort of been the driver of
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that. I'd say
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>> you're you're correct to say The Rock is
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a very different station in 2025 to what
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it was when I started in 2000.
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>> So, um Yes. So, how old were you when
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you started? Like 20. 20
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>> 20
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>> didn't know what I wanted to do. Um all
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my well my dad was quite successful in
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work. Um he was like near pretty much
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CEO at B&Z when I was growing up. So my
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dad was always always away with work did
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well with work stuff. My sister's real
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sharp. She had a degree and um I'm the
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youngest of three. Got an older brother
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and he was doing well as well out of
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school and all my mates were off to uni
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and so there was good pressure to be
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like what are you going to do? And I
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didn't do that well academically at
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school. Like I loved school, loved oning
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college, but I more loved hanging out
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with my mates and that side of it. And
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then didn't really know what I wanted to
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do.
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Went to go and study down in Dunners cuz
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my girlfriend was moving down there.
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Then we broke up. Um and then I was
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like, [ __ ] what am I going to do here?
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And cuz I didn't have bery, I had to
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just live in Deneden for 6 months until
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I turned 20. And then that didn't end
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well cuz didn't achieve much in that 6
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months. And then I remember, yeah, I
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went to Melbourne where my mom and dad
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were at the time and I was I remember
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the moment I was sitting out on the
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deck, uh, and the radio was on and it
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was just this really [ __ ] voice break.
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And I remember thinking, man, they all
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everyone's at me to work out what I'm
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going to do. That guy's playing music
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and talking rubbish, which I've always
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been the dude who loved playing music,
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you know, whether it be in the car or DJ
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at parties or whatever. And talking [ __ ]
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was what I got in trouble for my whole
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life in school. I was like, there's my
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job angle. like there it is. Perfect.
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And then I went back and did like that
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six month diploma in radio uh in
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Wellington and then yeah, just sort of
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started from the from the bottom at the
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rock. Oh,
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>> so it wasn't like a lifelong dream or
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anything?
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>> Not at all.
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>> I'd never once considered it.
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>> What did you want to do when you were at
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school?
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>> Didn't know. My dad loves telling a
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story that we got a big family. My dad's
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one of 10. Uh so got like 100 cousins or
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something stupid. And I I don't know. I
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always loved little kids. like when I
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was the cousin that would always play
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with the little toddlers and stuff like
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that. And anyway, I in your um beautiful
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uh you know how you're naive when you're
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little, you don't know. But I found out
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that a doctor for kids was a
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gynecologist. And so dad would dad would
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wheel me out at parties and uh and say,
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"Bryce,
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tell Steve what you want to be when you
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grow up." And I I'm going to be a
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gynecologist. And they'd all laugh and
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I'd be like, "Fuck are these guys
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laughing at?" And then obviously I
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didn't realize that. So yeah, I wanted
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to be a gynecologist.
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>> They ended up on radio.
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>> Pediatrician, right? Pediatrician.
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>> Yeah. Someone someone sent me down the
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wrong river.
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>> Then I learned what a gyne did. Did
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>> you Did you Was there part of you then
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that thought, "Oh, these are these
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people are laughing. It feels kind of
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good."
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>> I always loved a reaction.
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>> Yeah. I reckon any school teacher or my
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mom and dad would say that same thing.
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But
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>> my dad's he's quite quick and funny with
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a quip. So I think I maybe you know
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you're all products of your environment
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and things like that. So I think I I
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definitely remember learning early on
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but it was always that fine balance
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which I'm now having with my own boys.
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There's a difference between funny and
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cheeky and you got to get it right. Like
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it's that you know that fine line to
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walk but no I always loved getting a
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reaction and yeah but it's funny how it
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came about. I certainly never thought
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about it at school.
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>> So were you what did you listen to? Did
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radio play a part in your life growing
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up? If you're in Wellington at the time,
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I suppose you Pauly and Grant were
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massive.
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>> Massive. Nick Tanley out on the streets,
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those sorts of things.
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>> I uh I do remember listening to Sunday
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nights Bomber was on channel Z.
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>> Oh yeah. He used to swear.
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>> Yep. And he also talked to you our age
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when I was 15, 16. Like he re it really
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felt like he was talking to us. But the
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main guy that I ever was most inspired
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by in radio was a guy James Coleman who
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did the drive show on channel Z back in
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the day. um rest in peace to that
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station. But yeah, he was I found him
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super entertaining and I remember I'd
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listen through the songs to listen to
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what he did on the show um and things
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like that. So he he was my favorite um
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when I was younger, but yeah, I listened
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to the radio heaps. I was that classic
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with tape songs um you know that would
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play on your tape and make your own
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mixtapz and
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>> um yeah, no, I always enjoyed it. I
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remember listening to radio lots when I
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was a kid. always loved music. Like I,
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you know, bought as many tapes and CDs
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and stuff as I could when I was a kid
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because and went to concerts right from
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early age and
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>> always loved music.
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>> So So you did the six-month radio course
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and then you you what you get like an
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internship at the rock or something?
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>> Nah, just a full bottom of the barrel.
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Uh John O' Prior, who I mentioned
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before, he had already taken all jobs
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possible um because he had done the
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diploma 6 months before me and so there
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was a lot of work at the start. So then
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I went and I'd labor in Whickeyi for uh
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40 hours a week from sort of Monday to
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Thursday and then I'd come over and
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right at the very start I'd record um
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fake shows. So I'd practice shows. Boss
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wouldn't even listen to them. Brad
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wouldn't even listen. And I just had to
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keep working away to the point where I
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annoyed our boss so much and he finally
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let me start doing Midnight Till Dawns
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>> on the weekends. And so that's
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>> it's crazy to think because yeah, as you
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said, like Brad Brad King is still there
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now. So when when you were doing these
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audition shows, he was a kid at the same
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time.
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>> 100%. He's only a few years older than
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me. Yeah, I know. It's wild.
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>> Crazy.
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>> Yeah. It's been so long.
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>> Would that have been your preferred
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station to work at?
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>> Yes.
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>> Yeah, at the time for sure.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> What's the oldest recording you've got
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of yourself on the air?
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>> I I don't want to know.
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>> No. I I
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>> have you got like old cassettes or
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anything?
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>> There were there were some that were
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played when it was my 25th anniversary
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um a couple of months ago and they were
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horrific but they weren't super early. I
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wouldn't want to I wouldn't even even
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you know to time stamp this Oussie
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Osborne has just died and some
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interviews played today that we had when
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we had Aussie on the show and they were
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even from 2012 and I sounded horrific. I
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used to have this weird voice rod use
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great dictation and you know like I was
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like what the [ __ ] was I doing? It's
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horrible to hear yourself.
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>> You must have um there must have been
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someone you were sort of modeling
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yourself on at the time even if it's
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>> two announcers. Yep. Green man. He used
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to do the night show on the rock back in
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the day. He was a real legend to me when
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I was first starting. He was super cool,
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super helpful. Really made me feel like
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I could do the job. Um, and then I was
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also probably trying to model Jonno cuz
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he was having great success with the do
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stuff to Jono stuff in the morning and
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all of that and and he was a good buddy.
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So, and cuz he was doing well, I was
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like, "Oh, well, if he's doing well, I
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should probably sound like he does." So,
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they'd be two people that I um
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>> were inspired and impressed by. I guess
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>> I think everyone in radio has that.
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There's like a senior announcer or
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another announcer at the generally at
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the same station that you sort of like
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base yourself on. Even if you even if
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you don't know you're doing it, you sort
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of do it. Um yeah, but that timestamps
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this interview um nicely. Yeah, this is
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the day that Aussie Osborne died.
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>> Um and on my walk here to the studio
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this morning, I looked on your podcast
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feed to see what you guys had and um you
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know, an hour after I heard about Oussie
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Osborne died, like on your podcast feed,
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there was an interview that you guys
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did, the one you're talking about like
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12 or 13 years ago. It was a real quick
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turnaround.
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>> It's almost like you had that one
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waiting in the chamber.
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>> Yeah. Like the queen waiting for him.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. But I didn't notice anything. I
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mean, Ro, your co-host, he sounds
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exactly the same.
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>> Like he's going to die
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>> or what?
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>> No, in terms of his voice then and now.
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And I I didn't notice anything different
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about you. I think you're just being
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maybe a bit
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>> Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Maybe you
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hear it yourself, but I can hear it. I
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can hear that. I thought I sounded
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different.
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>> I didn't feel like I spoke as normally
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as I speak
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>> now. You know, like I don't think
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there's a huge difference between how I
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speak to you now or any of my friends or
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whatever then when I'm on the radio.
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>> It's funny. I I think on radio some of
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>> whereas I think I did back in the day.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. I think it takes a while to become
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like at the time you would have thought
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you being fully authentic but but it
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actually come maybe it's like experience
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and hours on the air and maybe it's just
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age and growing into yourself but it
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does take a while to become
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>> like completely authentic.
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>> Totally. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Um but it's a great show you guys
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are doing and um yesterday on my run I
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listened to your your whole show podcast
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and um you had Joseph Parker on like a
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good friend of the show.
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>> There was another and just explaining
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it's going to sound like a real shitty
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piece but it was like the three worst
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foods in the world or whatever but you
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guys you guys just managed to get
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anything and turned into something good.
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>> And I think that's the power of like
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having like a good a good dynamic.
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>> Yep. We have that. We're lucky. You'd
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know from any radio show that you did
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previously like um I hate the word
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overused, but culture and what's the
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other word I'm thinking of when um
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>> you know, you have that vibe that's in a
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studio. Chemistry. That's the word I'm
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looking for. We're lucky. We have a
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really good chemistry. We also know each
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other so well that we've got better at
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it, but we can use that communication of
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looking at each other to know when if
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I'm going to take an L, I I'm better
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now. We all are at sitting there and
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just taking it. Whereas back in the day,
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I might have fought over the top of
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whatever was being said to come back
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with a quicker burn, but it's funnier if
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[ __ ] gets piled on me. And then in the
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next break, we might pile [ __ ] on Miles
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or Roj or whoever it is. And so, yeah,
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the chemistry works well, which makes us
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be able to turn very average content
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like Worst Foods into some form of
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entertainment.
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>> Yeah. Something that's going to give
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people like a laugh or a bit of escapism
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on the way work. So, yes. So, it's
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yourself,
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>> Roger Fairley, Andrew Mulligan, and Mel
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Abbott. And it's been the four review
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for how long now?
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>> That show probably
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I'd say at least
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six six years I'd say that exact
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formation.
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>> Yeah. But Maus's he was with us from
00:14:21
about 2011. He was there for a couple of
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years then he went to radio sport
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murdered radio sport and then came back
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to the rock after that.
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>> Yeah. Was it him that murdered all the
00:14:30
pandemic? It's up in the air.
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>> No. Solely him.
00:14:32
>> Yeah. Him and Richardson.
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>> He's a great He's a great broadcaster.
00:14:35
E.
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>> Yeah. great broadcaster.
00:14:36
>> Okay. Best thing best and worst thing
00:14:38
about each of those guys. Uh let's start
00:14:40
with Raj.
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>> Oh gee wh was
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>> best thing is it's his overwhelming
00:14:46
passion. The rock. I don't think anyone
00:14:49
cares more about the rock and its
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success than Roger Farrell.
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And it's probably his worst trait is
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that he loves it so much that sometimes
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I reckon we wish Roj had other passions
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as well. So that and I mean that in the
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in a nice way because
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you want to have like a good balance of
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everything and and he just went
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traveling this year which I think was
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awesome for him and I think he might get
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into do more traveling and stuff but he
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cares so much about it
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>> and I think you can get better the more
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you do it of realizing its place
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>> of importance. It's important to me that
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we do a good job and that I try and do a
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good job on the radio and whatever that
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may be. But far more important to me uh
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is my family, you know, is my boys and
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Sharon and stuff like that. And that's
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>> not to say his family isn't my own
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importance, but do you know what I mean?
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>> Yeah, I know exactly what I mean.
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>> You can care too you can care too much
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about something as well.
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>> So that's and it's funny that you should
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say that cuz that's something that um
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Sir Steve Hansen said as well that
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someone's best quality is usually their
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worst quality as well.
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>> Maybe that's recency bias. I listened to
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that interview recently.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. But I but it's also genuine
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and I don't think Roger would be
00:16:04
offended with me saying that. I think
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he'd I imagine he'd agree.
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>> No.
00:16:08
>> [ __ ] you. You you guys give him so much
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[ __ ] on the air. E
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>> Well, yeah,
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>> he's low. It's low hanging fruit. Is Is
00:16:15
there any
00:16:16
>> He deserves more credit on that. Roj to
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be honest. I think that's a
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misconception with Raj. People think
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just [ __ ] gets thrown at him the whole
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time and like [ __ ] poor old Raj. But Raj
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is a lot smarter than what people give
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Roj credit for. like cuz obviously as
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you know like a lot of planning goes
00:16:30
into shows. Obviously when you're on air
00:16:33
and you're bantering a lot of that will
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come naturally but he he's an expert in
00:16:38
um serving himself up too. Like we'll
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have those eye contact moments where he
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knows exactly what he's doing um by
00:16:46
walking you into a such where you can do
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it when you can slam at home with him or
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or whatever. Um or whatever topic you're
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doing or segment he will remind us
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before we go on air. remember when I
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[ __ ] [ __ ] up by doing this or
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whatever. So, he he knows what he's
00:17:00
doing and as I say to the previous
00:17:02
point, all for the greater good of what
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gets the best laugh and best
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entertainment. So,
00:17:07
>> I he's not the
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the laughing
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that's all he does guy, which I think
00:17:14
some people might or might have had that
00:17:17
um preconception. He's he's a lot better
00:17:19
than what a lot smarter than what some
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people may give him credit for. I know
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lots of people give him credit. So,
00:17:25
>> is um is there anything that's off
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limits? Do you guys have your offlimit
00:17:29
things?
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>> Just areas that you're just not allowed
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to go with each other.
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>> You must do. You probably can't talk
00:17:34
about them here.
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>> No, no, no. Uh
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>> oh. I mean, anything deeply personal
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probably as you'd know. Um,
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yeah. I think we all pretty good now at
00:17:46
We also don't want anything to be
00:17:47
awkward,
00:17:48
>> you know? Like, [ __ ] there's nothing
00:17:49
worse than I mean, there's good awkward
00:17:52
and then there's like, how are we going
00:17:53
to continue our show awkward? And we've
00:17:56
>> Yeah.
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>> So, has there has
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>> there's respect more than off limits? I
00:18:01
reckon that's a good thing that we have
00:18:02
on the show. We'll we'll know.
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>> And I think also you get really good at
00:18:08
reading body language. I think that's I
00:18:10
reckon if I have a good skill set
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>> uh pump my own tires, but I think I'm
00:18:15
good at reading body language in the
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studio.
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>> I think Miles would he would say the
00:18:20
same thing for me. Raj may be as well,
00:18:22
Mel. But I sort of and they might do the
00:18:24
same for me, but I'll on any given day I
00:18:27
think I'm pretty good at reading the
00:18:28
room straight away as to how each person
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is. And sometimes I'll micromanage like
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I'll send group messages to three out of
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the four or two out of the four and I
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might go um I reckon this is what's
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happening today. So
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>> Oh, like you might text say M and
00:18:46
they'll say hey Roger's a little off
00:18:47
today this.
00:18:48
>> Oh yeah. Or he might be upset about this
00:18:50
or you know M something happened to M's
00:18:53
life
00:18:54
>> so if he's quiet it's because of this or
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and vice versa. You know
00:18:58
>> that's a good EQ. Have you always had
00:18:59
that?
00:19:00
>> No. No,
00:19:00
>> definitely not.
00:19:01
>> Has that come since being a dad or
00:19:05
>> just getting older? What is that?
00:19:08
>> I think everything comes with getting
00:19:09
older and getting better, you know, like
00:19:11
you you like
00:19:13
Absolutely. And you like to think you
00:19:14
learn more as you do it. Um
00:19:16
>> I don't know, maybe the
00:19:19
>> I'd say a few things have got me to to
00:19:22
to that point. Yeah, being a parent
00:19:25
would be a part of it. I also think
00:19:29
um if some formations of shows have
00:19:32
worked better than others and you learn
00:19:33
from experiences
00:19:36
>> I don't know maybe it's maybe it's my
00:19:39
dad stuff of leadership where not saying
00:19:42
I'm a leader but do you know what I mean
00:19:43
like you can try and work out how to
00:19:46
steer the ship. Well, my boss Brad, he
00:19:49
says in terms of my role on the show,
00:19:51
like a and a long time ago that if you
00:19:54
were to liken it to rugby, people have
00:19:56
positions, you know, like Roger's the uh
00:19:58
the skipper of of the show and then I'm
00:20:02
referred to, I guess, as like the first
00:20:03
five where you're running the ship. So,
00:20:05
I guess it just becomes part of that.
00:20:07
Like, if you're in charge of steering
00:20:09
how the show is going, then
00:20:11
>> it's it's on you if you can to realize
00:20:14
how you're going to best steer the ship
00:20:16
that day. M
00:20:18
>> if you can do anything to help it.
00:20:20
>> Yeah. And
00:20:21
>> oh, sorry. And those chats aren't all
00:20:22
the time.
00:20:23
>> They'll just be on certain occasions
00:20:24
that you might just
00:20:25
>> when and if
00:20:26
>> not. I don't have group chats every I
00:20:28
don't have separate chats every morning.
00:20:30
>> See you sitting on his phone. It's like
00:20:32
my phone didn't ping. I must have
00:20:34
trouble after this. I Every time I'm on
00:20:37
my phone in the studio now, people are
00:20:38
going to be like, "Who the [ __ ] he
00:20:39
texting?"
00:20:40
>> Well, the other the other phone's
00:20:42
pinged, but not mine. Okay, this is
00:20:44
interesting. Have there been any um
00:20:46
storm outs over the years or or like
00:20:48
periods of silence where like Yeah.
00:20:52
>> Oh yeah.
00:20:53
>> [ __ ] it makes it difficult. Eh
00:20:54
>> oh yeah as what
00:20:56
>> uh love her and we get on great now me
00:20:58
and Leia Parniper used to clash
00:21:01
>> hard out but when I first came Lera one
00:21:04
of New Zealand's great broadcasters like
00:21:06
an incredible career over everything
00:21:07
whether it be radio live or radio hodaki
00:21:09
back in the day or the rock you know etc
00:21:11
etc. But um when I was first brought
00:21:15
into the show, I was Simon D had left
00:21:17
and I came into breakfast and I was put
00:21:19
in there as the young, wasn't married at
00:21:20
the time, didn't have kids, and so and
00:21:22
they wanted like a younger person in the
00:21:23
show to, you know, for the younger
00:21:25
audience and to freshen it up or
00:21:27
whatever it was. Uh and they pay me
00:21:30
less. Um, and so like I came in there
00:21:33
and um, Brad, our boss, would encourage
00:21:38
everyone to have different opinions cuz
00:21:40
obviously, you know, that's how radio
00:21:41
works.
00:21:42
>> And I was less wise at that point. And
00:21:45
so I would really go with Le and she
00:21:47
would come straight back. And so we had
00:21:50
some good clashes. Um, that lingered off
00:21:53
air like usually, you know, the mics
00:21:54
will go off and everyone can laugh and
00:21:56
go, "Oh, that was good for that radio."
00:21:58
But but yeah, it wasn't. They weren't
00:22:00
that good at all. Once we were talking
00:22:02
about we had to shave her hair off for
00:22:04
some someone had deared us. It was for
00:22:08
some wacky radio thing that caused a
00:22:11
storm out. She left the studio that day.
00:22:14
Uh
00:22:15
>> Ro tried to fight me um one morning on
00:22:18
air like physically.
00:22:19
>> Yeah. Well, cuz he'd never had a
00:22:21
Charlie. Remember the old classic knee
00:22:23
Charlie's where you kne someone on the
00:22:24
side of the leg? Yeah, talking about
00:22:25
those and anyway it come about he should
00:22:28
try a Charlie and then when he got
00:22:31
Charlie they didn't enjoy it.
00:22:34
Not many people tend to enjoy a Charlie
00:22:36
and then he tried to fight me. Uh and so
00:22:39
yeah there's been there's been a couple
00:22:41
of little blowups but also how could
00:22:43
there not be because you it's a weird
00:22:46
situation a radio show like it's a
00:22:47
marriage. I spend more time with those
00:22:49
people and have more chats looking eye
00:22:52
to eye with them than you than I do with
00:22:54
Sharon, my wife, you know, like just in
00:22:56
terms of how ours work out like and so
00:22:59
you've got to manage those marriages and
00:23:02
like any marriage,
00:23:04
>> they have really tough times and they
00:23:05
don't always last and all of that sort
00:23:07
of stuff. So
00:23:08
>> yeah, it would be weird if we didn't
00:23:10
have fights.
00:23:11
>> I think we've got better now though
00:23:14
>> at preventing big fights. And again that
00:23:16
just comes with all the experience and
00:23:18
stuff like I might see us or Roger or M
00:23:21
or whatever or us Brad have got better
00:23:23
at
00:23:24
>> if you can see something starting to
00:23:26
become aggravating you get better at
00:23:28
going [ __ ] let's let's prevent this then
00:23:32
let's change this before it becomes
00:23:33
something these these are such good
00:23:35
insights. Also, it's um you're in this
00:23:37
this
00:23:37
>> I don't regret anything I've said.
00:23:39
>> You're in this fairly small room
00:23:40
together and you're having
00:23:42
conversations. Like most people go to
00:23:43
work and the three or four people you
00:23:45
work closest to, you can have a little
00:23:46
bit of small talk with them through the
00:23:47
day, but largely you can ignore each
00:23:49
other. Um and breakfast radio is the
00:23:51
complete opposite of that. You got to
00:23:52
have a you've got to manufacture a good
00:23:54
time together.
00:23:54
>> 100%. Some days you don't feel like
00:23:56
doing that. Um some days you do some and
00:23:59
some days people are in different moods
00:24:00
than others for various reasons of
00:24:02
anything that's going on in their life.
00:24:03
Um, yeah, it's hard. Like, it's one of
00:24:06
the greatest privileges of all time to
00:24:08
have that job and it's not lost on me
00:24:09
and I I'm deeply uh appreciate the fact
00:24:14
I've been able to do this and still get
00:24:15
to do it touchwood for a little a while
00:24:18
longer yet. But that is the hard part is
00:24:21
um every day coming up with
00:24:24
>> well every day trying to be good as well
00:24:27
>> because if you've set a certain level
00:24:28
obviously you want to continue it. Um,
00:24:30
and as you know with Breakfast Radio,
00:24:32
there's a lot of chat. Afternoon time
00:24:34
drive, they talk half the amount we
00:24:36
would around about, you know, cuz they
00:24:38
obviously play more songs. So, yeah,
00:24:40
it's a lot of [ __ ] to talk. So, it's a
00:24:42
lot of
00:24:43
>> a lot of chat with three people that
00:24:45
you're supposed to be different to.
00:24:48
>> If you had three people that were just
00:24:50
your best mates, that's [ __ ] great cuz
00:24:52
you just all agree with each other the
00:24:53
whole time. But we're supposed to not
00:24:54
agree cuz
00:24:56
>> you provide different opinions and stuff
00:24:57
for people listening, obviously. And
00:24:59
sometimes with no one would want four
00:25:00
bryes. What a punishing show.
00:25:04
Sometimes with your friends you're like,
00:25:04
"Oh yeah, I don't I don't really have an
00:25:06
opinion on that. I don't really give a
00:25:07
[ __ ] either way." But you can't that
00:25:08
doesn't work on radio. You need an
00:25:10
opinion
00:25:11
>> 100%.
00:25:11
>> Um, what do you think the key has been
00:25:13
to your longevity and in in radio and in
00:25:16
particular on breakfast radio?
00:25:17
>> Um, well, like Raj, I care I care a lot
00:25:22
about how we do. I care about doing good
00:25:24
show. Uh, I care about the rock and all
00:25:27
of that. So, I think that's first and
00:25:29
foremost like I want to do a good job.
00:25:31
Um, and I'm proud of trying to do a good
00:25:33
job.
00:25:35
Um,
00:25:37
I think I've done a good job.
00:25:40
>> Uh, not always, but I think in certain
00:25:43
times I've done a good job. Um,
00:25:47
I think in terms of that having an
00:25:49
opinion, I've always had a strong
00:25:50
opinion. So, but it's good to have a
00:25:52
strong opinion, not just because that's
00:25:54
radio, but also because people either
00:25:56
love or people either agree or disagree
00:25:59
with your opinion, which I think is
00:26:00
important for people in radio. So, maybe
00:26:03
that's helped me.
00:26:04
>> Um, the fact that people are like, "Fuck
00:26:05
that guy or I agree with that guy."
00:26:07
That's been helpful. And obviously I
00:26:09
think in the last
00:26:11
eight or seven or six seven years I
00:26:15
think obviously the change in which
00:26:16
we've gone about with um the mental
00:26:19
health angle I would say has
00:26:22
>> helped all of us.
00:26:24
>> Yeah that I mean [ __ ] when when you
00:26:27
eventually finish that's going to be
00:26:28
your legacy right that like the the 5%
00:26:31
stuff really.
00:26:32
>> Yeah probably. Yeah. Well I mean totally
00:26:35
because
00:26:36
>> Yeah. I mean, it's still some of those
00:26:38
moments that we've had in some of those
00:26:39
days and shows or or fundraisers or
00:26:41
whatever that we've done. Um, they are
00:26:43
still the things that always get bought
00:26:46
up to me
00:26:47
>> um and mentioned and
00:26:50
>> well, it's made like a tangible impact
00:26:51
to people's life. Not to say that your
00:26:53
day-to-day stuff doesn't, you know, cuz
00:26:55
it does make a difference, but this is
00:26:56
like a more,
00:26:57
>> I suppose, noticeable difference to
00:26:59
people's life. And we'll we'll get into
00:27:00
all of that. Um,
00:27:01
>> yeah, just a couple more on the radio
00:27:03
thing. So, your wife Sharon, we'll get
00:27:04
into the dynamic of that relationship. I
00:27:06
know she's the boss, but
00:27:08
>> So, she's having a break from radio. She
00:27:10
retired at the end of last year
00:27:12
>> or semi. It's I feel like it's going to
00:27:14
be a Jordan Jay-Z retirement. She's
00:27:16
going to come back.
00:27:17
>> I Yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe not. And I
00:27:19
don't think she'd mind me saying this at
00:27:21
all, but um I don't know. I mean, like
00:27:23
we said before, like radio is pretty
00:27:26
tough and can be quite punishing in
00:27:28
terms of I don't know if we did say
00:27:29
this, maybe this is before we started,
00:27:30
but radio is tough in terms of um always
00:27:33
having to mine your life for content.
00:27:35
And she's been really strong on saying
00:27:37
that. Like it became really
00:27:40
>> tough work to continually be like out
00:27:42
with a friend and be like, "Oh, how can
00:27:43
I steal your little bit of private
00:27:46
information to make it into radio
00:27:48
content or whatever?" And so I think she
00:27:50
genuinely really is quite enjoying
00:27:52
spending time with the boys and not
00:27:54
having to think of content every day. So
00:27:56
I don't I don't know. I think she misses
00:27:58
the paycheck.
00:27:59
>> Yeah. Oh, 100%. I [ __ ] I Yeah, I was a
00:28:03
real pig with that stuff. Like I I
00:28:04
wouldn't say to someone, "Oh, hey, do
00:28:05
you mind if I um use this on the radio
00:28:08
tomorrow morning?" Cuz at the end they
00:28:09
might say no.
00:28:10
>> It was It was said about you behind your
00:28:11
back.
00:28:14
>> I just do it change some names and
00:28:15
apologize for it afterwards. There's so
00:28:17
many so much content you have to come up
00:28:19
with. It's a thirsty beast.
00:28:20
>> Yeah. And Yeah. And a lot of it long
00:28:23
stretches like a long bow.
00:28:25
>> Have you ever have you ever had a like a
00:28:28
period where you've thought about, you
00:28:29
know, quitting like Sharon did?
00:28:31
>> No.
00:28:31
>> No.
00:28:32
>> No. No. I really haven't. Like some days
00:28:35
I've found tougher and some shows I've
00:28:37
found tougher in terms of whether I've
00:28:39
got on with some people better than
00:28:40
others or whatever it may be or um
00:28:44
>> No, man. I I love it. If someone had
00:28:48
told me in school days that I'd be home
00:28:50
by midday,
00:28:52
Monday to Friday, and have the weekends
00:28:54
off, like, yeah, I cannot overstate
00:28:57
with all genuiness. Yeah, I it's a it's
00:29:00
a great privilege. I have a lot of mates
00:29:02
who work real hard, do real important
00:29:04
stuff.
00:29:05
um you know whether that be doctors or
00:29:07
uh all sorts of different all sorts of
00:29:09
different fields and they do proper work
00:29:11
and I'm like oh man I literally
00:29:14
>> I'm getting paid to do this. It's uh I'm
00:29:16
very lucky.
00:29:17
>> Yeah, I think that's a good space to
00:29:19
play that gratitude sort of space. Yeah,
00:29:21
it's really cool.
00:29:21
>> It's genuine too. Don't. And and that's
00:29:23
also coupled with, don't get me wrong,
00:29:25
some days are far more enjoyable than
00:29:27
others or periods, but
00:29:29
>> uh for the most part, I have never I've
00:29:31
never thought about leaving
00:29:33
>> the job.
00:29:37
>> I've got a card here called
00:29:38
miscellaneous that's got a few bits and
00:29:39
pieces on and then we'll um we'll dig
00:29:41
deep into some other more important
00:29:42
serious stuff. Um so May 8th this year,
00:29:44
you got a hole in one.
00:29:46
>> Yeah.
00:29:46
>> How long how long you been golfing?
00:29:48
>> Played heaps with my dad when I was 13
00:29:51
or 14. My dad was a good golfer, my
00:29:53
granddad was a good golfer, all of that.
00:29:55
Um, my mom's dad. So, it's always been
00:29:57
there. And then, yeah, when I was like
00:29:59
13 or 14, we were living in Wellington
00:30:00
at that point. Um, and my dad
00:30:04
uh took me out to be a member at Paumu
00:30:06
Golf Course. Um, and it's a brutally
00:30:09
tough golf course before all these flash
00:30:11
golf courses like TR and that were in
00:30:13
New Zealand. That was like New Zealand's
00:30:15
number one course and it's still ranked
00:30:16
at the world 100. So, it's a really
00:30:17
tough course, especially to learn golf
00:30:19
on. that would [ __ ] traumatize me
00:30:21
every weekend u playing with dad there.
00:30:23
So that's my earliest memories of golf.
00:30:24
But I also was playing
00:30:27
with a mate once, two of my mates, Alice
00:30:30
Dunson and dude Richard Page and we were
00:30:31
like 14 and my mate Rich Page got a hole
00:30:34
in one uh on the 14th here which is a
00:30:36
par three. Uh and so to see that as a
00:30:39
kid was like wow. And so I've stood over
00:30:41
every path three my entire life going
00:30:43
even with the terrible talk with mates
00:30:45
or randoms that you're playing with
00:30:47
today's the day stand there and then it
00:30:49
would never happen and so yeah it
00:30:50
finally happened but I played for a
00:30:51
couple of years to answer your question
00:30:53
when I was 13 14 then I'd play sort of
00:30:55
once a year on the piss with mates until
00:30:58
about 3 years ago coming up three years
00:31:00
ago I got a random text at work one
00:31:02
morning and it was the guy who was the
00:31:03
GM at um Tarangi Golf Course which is
00:31:06
like Oakland's best course and he was
00:31:09
like, "Hey man, this will sound random.
00:31:11
I'm the GM at uh at the golf course.
00:31:14
Kings of Leon are playing today. Do you
00:31:16
want to come out and make up the four?"
00:31:18
Um, obviously the group of four. I was
00:31:20
like, "Fuck, that's so specific. It's
00:31:21
got to be real." Rangum was legit went
00:31:24
out there and played that day. And, uh,
00:31:27
that guy, uh, Richard, who's a good man,
00:31:29
who took me out for the round with them,
00:31:31
um, he used to, long story short, he
00:31:34
used to make some docos, uh, about
00:31:37
suicide back in the And so he'd been a
00:31:39
listener and he had heard some of the
00:31:40
stuff that we were doing and that's why
00:31:42
he thought to ask me and then became a
00:31:44
member and I've been a member there. So
00:31:46
I've been playing heaps in the last two
00:31:47
to three years. Love it.
00:31:50
>> Wait, playing golf with Kings of Leon.
00:31:51
How was that?
00:31:52
>> Awesome.
00:31:53
>> Yeah.
00:31:53
>> Yeah. Um so it was supposed to be all of
00:31:55
them and then uh and then not all of
00:31:58
them came. But Nathan, who's sort of the
00:32:01
boss of the band, who's the drummer,
00:32:02
he's the oldest brother, he's like a
00:32:04
golf nut, like loves it. And so it was
00:32:08
me uh and him and then this dude Richard
00:32:12
who's the boss and Nathan. Yeah. Follow
00:32:15
couldn't have been cooler. Like you'd
00:32:17
know usually the rule of thumb with
00:32:19
anyone with the bigger the rockstar they
00:32:21
are the cooler they are. But this guy
00:32:23
was like next level. Like he made me
00:32:25
feel like I was his mate for the whole
00:32:26
round. Uh yeah he was rad and that
00:32:29
reignited my love for it and then
00:32:31
started playing again after that.
00:32:34
>> He was cool.
00:32:34
>> Yeah. Generally the the more famous
00:32:36
someone is, the less they have something
00:32:37
to prove and the nicer they are.
00:32:39
>> I don't know. Just as like a broad rule
00:32:41
of thumb. Yeah. I Oh, so who else are
00:32:43
you sort of um pie with? Like Dave Gro
00:32:46
>> you've met him on a number of occasions.
00:32:48
>> Yeah. Yep. Yep. We've got a good
00:32:49
relationship with Dave.
00:32:50
>> There's an iconic photo that you've
00:32:51
shared on Instagram numerous times of
00:32:52
him like pouring a bottle of tequil
00:32:57
deserves to be shared more.
00:32:58
>> Y
00:32:58
>> Yep. That was at a bar in like 2018 in
00:33:01
Sydney. him and Taylor Hawkins had this
00:33:03
listening party for their album um
00:33:05
Concrete and Gold I think the album is.
00:33:07
And yeah, we went to it, they played it,
00:33:09
and then they just mingled around with
00:33:10
us and we're just pouring booed down
00:33:12
everyone's throat. And he's super cool.
00:33:14
I've interviewed him a bunch of times.
00:33:17
No interviews in the last two or three
00:33:19
years. Ever since Taylor passed, he
00:33:22
hasn't done any. And then obviously he's
00:33:24
had his own
00:33:24
>> infidelity thing,
00:33:25
>> his own situation going on. So
00:33:27
>> he used to do interviews when he didn't
00:33:29
need to. I don't think now you'll I I
00:33:32
doubt I'll ever get another Dave Gro
00:33:33
interview. Like why would he ever do
00:33:36
press? It's all people are going to ask
00:33:37
him about is
00:33:39
>> either Taylor or infidelity.
00:33:42
>> As as a fan of his, how did how did you
00:33:44
feel about that?
00:33:45
>> The infidelity.
00:33:46
>> Yeah. Um he's human, right?
00:33:47
>> Totally. No one's perfect.
00:33:49
>> I think you can do way worse way worse
00:33:52
things. He's done a lot of good for a
00:33:53
lot of people. That's not excusing
00:33:57
infidelity, right, at all. because
00:33:59
obviously his wife deserved better and
00:34:01
>> etc. But yeah, in terms of like the
00:34:04
worst things in the world to happen,
00:34:05
>> but the problem is
00:34:06
>> rockstar acts like a rockstar.
00:34:08
>> Yeah, I'll tell you he's not enjoying
00:34:09
Coldplay concerts.
00:34:10
>> Yeah.
00:34:11
>> At all. Um Yeah. I mean, I think
00:34:15
everybody everybody probably felt a I
00:34:17
don't know. People would have felt a
00:34:18
little bit disappointed. Ah, not angry
00:34:20
Dave. I'm disappointed.
00:34:22
>> Yeah.
00:34:22
>> But also, [ __ ] what have they all done?
00:34:24
There's plenty of people casting
00:34:28
or, you know, throwing a bit of [ __ ] at
00:34:29
Dave Gro, but I can guarantee if you
00:34:31
went through their search histories or
00:34:33
their whatever they did, like no one's
00:34:34
perfect.
00:34:35
>> Yeah, absolutely. It's part of the human
00:34:36
experience. So, if he walked into the
00:34:39
room now, like would he would do you
00:34:40
think would he know your name?
00:34:41
>> Probably not, but he would act
00:34:44
>> I don't know. He always has every time
00:34:46
we've done interviews. And I don't know
00:34:48
whether that's superb work by the record
00:34:49
label Sony that have always made it feel
00:34:51
like he knows me, but he will act like
00:34:53
he knows me. We've met him on enough
00:34:55
occasions. Yeah. Where he will uh Yeah.
00:34:58
It appears
00:35:00
like he does, but maybe he's just very
00:35:02
good at his job.
00:35:03
>> Class act.
00:35:03
>> Class act.
00:35:04
>> Yeah.
00:35:05
>> Yeah.
00:35:05
>> Good lying.
00:35:06
>> Who else? Who else? Who Who are your
00:35:08
favorites to If you see an interview
00:35:10
coming up, who are your favorites? Who
00:35:11
Who do you sort of grown at?
00:35:12
>> Dave Gro for sure. He He's been He's
00:35:14
been great. Uh, we had Oussie Osborne.
00:35:17
He was awesome. Um, Tom Mel is superb uh
00:35:20
from Rage Against the Machine, but he's
00:35:22
just super intelligent, but also super
00:35:24
lovely. Um, yeah, he's he is a standout
00:35:27
over the years.
00:35:28
>> Um, in terms of musicians, the worst
00:35:31
that we two two stand out usually.
00:35:33
They're all really good. Oh, three
00:35:35
worst. the trifecta of of trifecta of
00:35:38
turds were um
00:35:41
uh uh John Fusante from the Red Hot
00:35:44
Chili Peppers, but I don't know if he
00:35:45
was that well at the time and he just
00:35:46
didn't want to talk to me. He he was
00:35:48
terrible in person at Spark Arena. Like
00:35:50
one of the worst experiences I've ever
00:35:52
had. He was he came into the room, he
00:35:54
didn't want to do it, and I was like,
00:35:54
"Hey man, I'm Bryce." And uh he looked
00:35:57
away from me and he goes, "A real
00:35:59
pleasure to meet you." Like looking
00:36:01
away, I was like, "Oh no, it's going to
00:36:02
be one of those days. Oh god, this is
00:36:03
going to be the longest 8 minutes of my
00:36:05
life.
00:36:05
>> But I wish if I'd have done that now, I
00:36:07
would have turned it on him cuz you
00:36:09
know, you learn those things and it
00:36:10
would have made for a far better
00:36:11
interview if you'd have been like,
00:36:12
"Mate, what's your problem?" Like
00:36:14
>> that would have got a good reaction. But
00:36:15
I was so young and I was like, "Just
00:36:17
took it."
00:36:18
>> He was no good.
00:36:19
>> Uh, Alien Ant Farm, dreadful
00:36:23
as you'd expect. And um, and the guy
00:36:25
from Disturbed, David Draymond, I mean,
00:36:29
yeah, terrible.
00:36:30
>> It's funny. I sort of found off in the
00:36:32
bad ones. They're just not memorable at
00:36:33
all. They're just like nothing. It's
00:36:35
just a nothing moment.
00:36:36
>> It's hard. I Yeah, I mean, you think if
00:36:39
if you're in that position, you'd switch
00:36:40
it on for the time you're there, which
00:36:41
is something that I suppose separates a
00:36:43
Dave Gro from the rest of them.
00:36:45
>> Um, but maybe it's easier said than done
00:36:46
cuz we're all human.
00:36:47
>> And also, some people
00:36:50
uh some people are really charismatic
00:36:53
and some people aren't. But some people,
00:36:56
no, some people are really talented
00:36:58
musicians and charismatic, whereas some
00:37:00
people are just really talented
00:37:01
musicians.
00:37:02
>> They don't have to have the charisma as
00:37:04
part of it. Like you see it heaps the
00:37:06
people on stage there are these
00:37:07
electrifying, unbelievable front woman
00:37:10
or frontmen and then offstage they're
00:37:12
completely insular, you know, like it's
00:37:14
it's common. So I don't I don't begrudge
00:37:17
people if they're not great, but yeah,
00:37:18
we've been lucky to have some absolute
00:37:20
rippers.
00:37:20
>> Yeah. How good. Um, oh, you're one of
00:37:23
your regular golf buddies. Going back to
00:37:24
that um D Henwood, you've seen to play
00:37:26
with him quite a bit.
00:37:27
>> Yeah. What's What's that like? Is is
00:37:29
that um like for him, do you talk about
00:37:32
anything but his illness?
00:37:33
>> No, that comes up.
00:37:34
>> Yeah.
00:37:35
>> Yeah, for sure. I'm on like a group
00:37:36
chat. Me and Shannon are on a group chat
00:37:38
that we've been lucky enough
00:37:41
that Dy has this sort of inner circle of
00:37:44
his close friends where he started this
00:37:47
WhatsApp group chat um before the news
00:37:50
was public. um about his
00:37:53
cancer. Um
00:37:54
>> oh yeah, I think he addressed this is
00:37:56
part of his book um little little D with
00:37:58
the big C.
00:37:59
>> Little D with the big C.
00:38:00
>> Yeah, that's the name of the chat.
00:38:01
>> And so that group chat's been going for
00:38:02
years now.
00:38:04
>> And so everyone sort of uses that. He
00:38:06
he'll let people know what the sitch is
00:38:08
or how the treatment is going that day.
00:38:11
And um and then everybody or randomly
00:38:14
someone will come in with something out
00:38:16
of nowhere to just try and ask him how
00:38:18
he is. And um yeah, give him a boost and
00:38:22
uh but yeah, it'll come up when we're
00:38:24
playing golf. And then also as with Dye,
00:38:27
absolutely anything else will come up
00:38:29
cuz see I've known Dy since he won't
00:38:31
remember me, but I've known Dice since
00:38:33
school days. He was at the same school
00:38:34
at Wellington College.
00:38:36
>> He was like two years above me at
00:38:37
Wellington College and I I'll never
00:38:39
forget Dy cuz one day we were in
00:38:40
assembly and they were running for um
00:38:43
school council. You know how kids would
00:38:44
get up and go, "Yeah, vote for me. Oh,
00:38:47
uh, I'm the best for school council. You
00:38:49
like, yeah, [ __ ] whatever, man. No
00:38:50
one's voting for you, Bo. And then he
00:38:52
came up and, uh, he came up and Dy was
00:38:55
the same height and size he is now, same
00:38:57
amount of facial hair. And um, he he
00:38:59
came up and he came jumping onto stage
00:39:01
as he did, kicking his legs out, exactly
00:39:03
the same guy, you know, now. And he's
00:39:05
like, "What up, losers?" Like
00:39:06
essentially, and everyone starts
00:39:08
laughing straight away. And he's like,
00:39:10
he's like, "Um, third formers, I know
00:39:12
what you want. You want pubes. I'm going
00:39:14
to get you all pubes." and the whole the
00:39:16
whole [ __ ] all these boys start
00:39:17
banging the tables and loving it and
00:39:19
then he's like poor formers I know what
00:39:21
you want you still want pubes he's like
00:39:23
I'm getting you ps and proceed to go
00:39:25
through the forms uh of of what he
00:39:27
promised everybody and so
00:39:29
>> I always remember that of him um
00:39:31
>> have you told him that
00:39:32
>> oh yeah's great
00:39:35
>> absolutely asked to go back and speak at
00:39:37
college at some point uh to to the
00:39:39
students which is hilarious that I would
00:39:41
be asked to go back and speak there
00:39:43
>> given I wasn't that much of a role model
00:39:45
student. But I I love D. I find that
00:39:48
friendship um super special. He he means
00:39:51
heaps to so many people. He means a
00:39:53
whole bunch to uh to to Sharon and
00:39:55
myself. Sharon loves him. How kind he
00:39:57
was during Dancing with the Stars and um
00:40:00
to her when with when when things
00:40:02
weren't going well for her with some
00:40:03
miscarriage stuff and he's just a
00:40:06
beautiful person, beautiful family. Um
00:40:09
>> yeah, like [ __ ] it. It sucks, man. The D
00:40:13
situation. Mhm.
00:40:14
>> Yeah.
00:40:15
>> He's so shown um you so much courage and
00:40:17
bravery and dignity and
00:40:20
>> Yeah.
00:40:21
>> resilience.
00:40:22
>> Yeah. To use that situation
00:40:26
to help other people, which is what he's
00:40:29
done.
00:40:30
>> Uh man, it's there's so much about him.
00:40:33
>> And also, yeah, he's he's just a yeah,
00:40:36
he's a great human rule. Lucky to have
00:40:37
die in our lives. So yeah, I I love
00:40:40
getting messages messages from him and
00:40:42
and talking to him whenever we can. But
00:40:44
>> he's special man.
00:40:46
>> Yeah, he really is. Um boxing you you've
00:40:49
done some How many boxing fights have
00:40:50
you done?
00:40:51
>> Two two boxing fights.
00:40:52
>> Yeah.
00:40:53
>> So one of them was against um Nixon Nick
00:40:56
Steven Nixon Clark from my FM. Who was
00:40:58
the other one against?
00:40:58
>> Uh guy called Puker who um used to be
00:41:01
like a
00:41:01
>> Oh Craig Lynn builder. Yeah. He used to
00:41:03
be like did a little bit of
00:41:05
>> he was like he was pre coxy. uh build a
00:41:08
guy on TV. Um and yeah, he he used to be
00:41:13
a boxing promoter. This guy Pooker, a
00:41:15
good man. Uh he used to be a boxing
00:41:17
promoter and he'd put on these boxing
00:41:18
fights and then he obviously thought he
00:41:20
saw an easy uh easy victory, easy victim
00:41:22
in me and said and knew he could use the
00:41:24
smart man knew he could use the leverage
00:41:26
of if he got me to fight that we would
00:41:28
be therefore promoting his fight. And
00:41:30
that was in like 2010. And so yeah, I
00:41:32
agreed to do that as a challenge because
00:41:34
I'd been doing it as fitness at Boxing
00:41:36
Alley and I was like, "Yeah, I'll give
00:41:37
I'll give that a go." Um, so that was
00:41:39
2010 and then the fight with Nixon was
00:41:42
to 2013 on the Joseph Parker undercard.
00:41:46
>> Why did you want to do that? I I can't
00:41:48
think of many things more terrifying.
00:41:50
And I think there's the the fight
00:41:51
itself, which is terrifying, but then
00:41:53
the 12, 16, however many weeks
00:41:55
beforehand where you're going to
00:41:56
training,
00:41:57
>> you're getting smacked on the head, and
00:41:59
then the anxiety's building. is
00:42:01
horrible. It so that whole 12week camp,
00:42:03
it never leaves your brain. Like it
00:42:06
always is there. Um it's like fights
00:42:08
coming. How's it going to go? Don't want
00:42:10
to get knocked out in front of your
00:42:11
friends. This is going to be on TV. Oh,
00:42:15
rock audience won't like this if you
00:42:16
lose.
00:42:17
>> And Mulligan Andrew Mulligan's words
00:42:20
were like, you don't need to do it. Like
00:42:22
then you gain nothing from this. And
00:42:24
that would always ring in my ears. The
00:42:26
anxiety of walking out is horrific. I
00:42:28
nearly started crying on both occasions.
00:42:29
Uh because it's so overwhelming the want
00:42:32
to do well in front of your friends and
00:42:34
family. Um why did I want to do it? I
00:42:38
love boxing first and foremost. It's my
00:42:40
favorite sport. Uh
00:42:42
uh I don't know. I guess I every loved a
00:42:46
little bit of
00:42:48
I wouldn't say I loved fighting when I
00:42:50
was at school by any stretch, but you
00:42:52
know what I mean? like I also wasn't
00:42:55
a full stranger to having maybe a little
00:42:58
bit of niggle or scrap as well. So I
00:43:00
always sort of enjoyed that side of um
00:43:02
the physicality or whatever of it. I
00:43:04
loved doing boxing first and foremost.
00:43:06
So it was a hell of a way to test
00:43:08
yourself in that.
00:43:10
>> When when does that that anxiety where
00:43:12
you're almost bursting into tears when
00:43:13
you're walking out? When does that go?
00:43:15
Immediately. As soon as the fight
00:43:16
starts. Yeah, cuz the weird thing is as
00:43:18
soon as the fight starts and the bell
00:43:19
rings and then you punch or whatever, it
00:43:23
automatically then and you don't realize
00:43:24
it until you've done it, which makes
00:43:26
great boxers, they don't have any of
00:43:27
that cuz they're so used to it. But as
00:43:29
soon as it starts, it just feels eerily
00:43:32
similar to all of the training that
00:43:34
you've done. You're like, "Oh, that's
00:43:35
right. We're doing this now." And then
00:43:37
you just sort of respond to or attempt
00:43:39
to respond to whatever is happening in
00:43:41
front of you. But yeah, so it goes as
00:43:42
soon as the bell rings. Just like you're
00:43:44
nervous before if you've got a speech to
00:43:47
do at a wedding or you know MCing or
00:43:50
doing some sort of chat at work, you're
00:43:52
super nervous and anxious, but often the
00:43:54
case is once you start talking that all
00:43:56
goes,
00:43:57
>> but it's the leadup.
00:44:00
>> Yeah. I I heard Jimmy car on a podcast
00:44:02
and he said he said it's very
00:44:03
>> he was a great interview to your earlier
00:44:05
question.
00:44:06
>> Yeah.
00:44:06
>> He's the man.
00:44:07
>> Yeah. Oh
00:44:08
>> yeah. We've had him a few times and he's
00:44:09
amazing.
00:44:11
>> Yeah. I've seen some clips that you guys
00:44:12
have done on Instagram. it just comes
00:44:13
roast you guys and then
00:44:16
>> so it's a very simplified thing he said
00:44:18
but he said depression is um thinking
00:44:19
about something that's happened anxiety
00:44:21
is thinking about something that's in
00:44:22
the future so the best thing is to be in
00:44:24
the present and I suppose when you're
00:44:25
boxing that's like one of those prime
00:44:26
examples like you've got no option but
00:44:28
to be in the moment
00:44:29
>> I remember on the Parker undercard fight
00:44:31
when I fought Nixon um so that was a
00:44:33
full walk out live TV even a minute
00:44:35
before you're walking out the camera's
00:44:37
just right in front of you um waiting to
00:44:40
go and you can hear them all going 30
00:44:41
seconds and you're like [ __ ] Oh [ __ ]
00:44:43
man. Like there's enough tension without
00:44:45
a camera looking straight at you and
00:44:46
then you got to do that whole walk out.
00:44:48
But I remember that to answer to answer
00:44:50
your point of um you've never felt more
00:44:52
present than that. I remember being
00:44:54
midfight with Nixon and
00:44:58
seeing the big screens cuz it was in
00:45:00
that um Truss arena and so they had the
00:45:03
big screens for the full soldout crowd
00:45:05
that were in there because obviously
00:45:06
they were actually Joseph Parker. Um,
00:45:08
but I saw myself on the big screen and I
00:45:11
was in the ring. I looked up and I was
00:45:12
on the big screen and had enough time,
00:45:16
no discredit to Nixon, but I had enough
00:45:18
time to look at the big screen, look at
00:45:21
all of the crowd and be like, what the
00:45:24
[ __ ] are you doing? Like, what are you
00:45:27
doing in a boxing ring?
00:45:28
>> Out of body experience.
00:45:29
>> Yeah, it was a real out of body
00:45:30
experience. And that was like, oh [ __ ]
00:45:33
this is out of it.
00:45:34
>> I got to finish this guy off.
00:45:35
>> This is out of it. Yeah, it was just
00:45:37
what's going on.
00:45:38
>> Yeah. Never again.
00:45:40
>> What did you learn about yourself from
00:45:41
the fights?
00:45:44
>> Um,
00:45:45
>> if anything.
00:45:46
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, well, that I could
00:45:48
do it.
00:45:49
>> Um, which is a big thing cuz you don't
00:45:52
know if you can do something like that
00:45:53
until you've done it.
00:45:54
>> Yeah. I suppose it tells yourself you're
00:45:55
a person that can put your mind to doing
00:45:57
hard things and then follow through.
00:45:59
>> Yeah. And when you're really scared of
00:46:01
something and don't want to do it, the
00:46:03
elation often that you feel afterwards
00:46:07
shouldn't come as any surprise to you
00:46:09
because you know anxiety and nerves and
00:46:11
all that mean you care and that's all
00:46:13
that was heading into that fight. It's
00:46:15
only scared and nervous and all of that
00:46:17
because
00:46:18
>> of pride and that you want to do well
00:46:21
and then like anything if you've done
00:46:22
all of the work and all of that
00:46:24
beforehand and prepared then more often
00:46:26
than not like that'll take care of
00:46:28
itself. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. And
00:46:31
absolute worst case scenario, you get
00:46:32
knocked out early in the first round.
00:46:34
It's
00:46:34
>> you won't remember.
00:46:35
>> Oh, god.
00:46:38
My life would be very different if Nixon
00:46:40
had knocked me out in that first minute.
00:46:42
>> What? How? So,
00:46:43
>> oh man, I would have been I I honestly I
00:46:48
think that could have absolutely [ __ ]
00:46:50
me on the rock the more I think about it
00:46:52
now.
00:46:52
>> You have to move to Port McQuary or
00:46:54
somewhere
00:46:54
>> some change your name, live next door to
00:46:56
David Bane.
00:46:57
>> Yeah. Honestly, well, I've got the right
00:46:58
jersey on. Um Um Honestly, that would
00:47:02
have been bad for me. People didn't
00:47:04
really care that I won, but if I lost, I
00:47:07
reckon I would have coped it
00:47:10
>> bad.
00:47:11
>> That's terrible. E really,
00:47:13
>> I would have coped it bad. Just like
00:47:15
Nick Trot years ago, former breakfast
00:47:17
host. He
00:47:18
>> I remember that with Grant Kittyama.
00:47:19
>> He fought Grant Kittyama and it was the
00:47:21
same thing. Had he lost that fight, he
00:47:23
probably would have got a heap of [ __ ]
00:47:26
>> But he didn't. He was successful that
00:47:27
night.
00:47:28
>> And Monty Betham was my coach and Monty
00:47:30
Betham, everyone he's ever trained has
00:47:32
won. And so like there were all these
00:47:34
little added elements of pressure.
00:47:37
>> Yeah.
00:47:37
>> But enjoyable.
00:47:39
>> But you like even if you if you get if
00:47:42
you lose and you get humiliated, you're
00:47:43
still braver than than me and most other
00:47:46
people that would never do it, never
00:47:47
dream of doing it.
00:47:48
>> Yeah. But everybody does different
00:47:50
things that are brave, don't they? You
00:47:51
know, brave is a real
00:47:54
>> brave can be used in a lot of contexts.
00:47:57
like you know die Henwood to me is
00:48:00
brave.
00:48:02
>> Yeah.
00:48:02
>> Yeah. That's a situation he didn't
00:48:04
willingly put himself into. Yeah.
00:48:05
>> Whereas I suppose boxing you do.
00:48:07
>> Yeah. Mine was more took a risk.
00:48:10
>> Yeah.
00:48:11
>> Um one more thing on the miscellaneous
00:48:13
card, then we're going to move on to
00:48:14
some good stuff. But um yeah. Uh how do
00:48:17
you feel when you see this photo here?
00:48:22
>> I've always [ __ ] hated this pose that
00:48:24
I'm pulling. It looks like an album
00:48:26
artwork.
00:48:26
>> Oh, I just look like Yeah, I look like
00:48:29
the Arctic Monkeys cover. Uh oh, I just
00:48:32
look so [ __ ] I was over it at that
00:48:35
point. So, this is a picture. What I
00:48:37
also love in this picture is um the
00:48:40
rolled rolls of barb wire. Like, if you
00:48:43
if no one knew what this picture
00:48:45
represented, it'd be a great guessing
00:48:47
game.
00:48:48
>> You know, it would it would Yeah. For
00:48:49
anyone listening to this rather than
00:48:51
watching, what is what is the
00:48:52
>> So, this is a picture of
00:48:55
outside the Monaco District Court
00:48:58
and around about September 20ish in 2011
00:49:04
as it about 5:00 p.m. we'd been released
00:49:09
after a day
00:49:11
of being arrested and charged with civil
00:49:14
aviation um offenses. And it is Ben
00:49:17
Boyce talking to a media scrum. Uh a guy
00:49:20
called Andy behind him. Um and then
00:49:23
myself with my arms crossed looking like
00:49:26
I'm about to cry,
00:49:28
arms crossed, eyes closed, Ben strangely
00:49:32
smiling, nervously smiling.
00:49:34
>> We'd been arrested, obviously. That was
00:49:35
when I dressed up to be a pilot uh for
00:49:38
Ben Boyce's comedy show and it went
00:49:41
peer-shaped.
00:49:42
>> Yeah. So most people are probably
00:49:43
familiar with the TV show Jono on Ben,
00:49:45
but before Jono and Ben.
00:49:47
>> No. So this was before Jono and Ben, it
00:49:49
was in between Pulp Sport.
00:49:50
>> So there was the Jono project and then
00:49:52
there was another show called Wannab.
00:49:54
Correct. This was for the show Wannab.
00:49:55
>> Correct. I had a segment called Black
00:49:56
and Bryce uh like a 60-second segment
00:49:59
each week where I try and talk my way
00:50:00
into things for free. So it had been
00:50:02
like I had been uh dressed up as for
00:50:05
example dressed up as a Kiwi mascot and
00:50:08
walked into the New Zealand Rugby League
00:50:09
game because I'm here to be the mascot.
00:50:11
Talk my way. dress up as Buzz Lightyear
00:50:13
to get in to go watch Toy Story Free at
00:50:15
the movies because I was there as part
00:50:17
of the premiere, etc. Uh, I mean that it
00:50:20
is what it was. And this one was, can I
00:50:23
black my way into being a pilot and
00:50:26
getting past security at a domestic
00:50:28
airport? Seemed a good idea.
00:50:31
[ __ ] It [ __ ] wasn't. It wasn't a
00:50:34
good idea.
00:50:34
>> Part of the issue, right, was that it
00:50:35
was um rugby world cup year, right? That
00:50:37
was correct. That was a massive part of
00:50:39
the issue. It was like a week out from
00:50:41
the World Cup.
00:50:42
>> So you just get a pilot suit.
00:50:43
>> It was a week out from the World Cup and
00:50:45
a week after the 10 year anniversary of
00:50:47
September 11th.
00:50:49
>> So like it was not good timing to [ __ ]
00:50:51
around with a plane.
00:50:53
On CNN, you know how like whispers
00:50:56
stories change all of a sudden? Like
00:50:59
little bit of information gets left out
00:51:00
or added on CNN. It had that I um had
00:51:04
chased after the plane on the tarmac
00:51:06
trying to take control of the airplane.
00:51:07
It's like that is so not what happened.
00:51:10
The truth of what happened and what it
00:51:12
got made out to be are two totally
00:51:14
different things.
00:51:15
>> Yeah. So, so run us through the the the
00:51:18
day. We'll get to the Fallout stuff
00:51:19
after. But the So, it's just a suit from
00:51:21
first scene, which is the costume place.
00:51:23
>> First scene. Terrible costume.
00:51:25
>> Terrible. Doesn't look anything like a
00:51:27
pilot costume.
00:51:28
>> So terrible that my mustache fell off
00:51:30
several times when talking to the lady
00:51:32
at New Zealand. I go in there with my
00:51:34
briefcase, my mustache, my hat, my poor
00:51:37
costume. Everyone's already like, "Fuck,
00:51:39
what are you up to?" And then I jokingly
00:51:41
I'm being recorded. I've miked up.
00:51:43
There's secret people filming me. I go
00:51:45
up to I'm like, "Hello, ma'am. Um, here
00:51:47
for my flight." Because the whole point
00:51:49
of it was being if it didn't work, it
00:51:51
was stupid enough to be at least worthy
00:51:54
of it failed, you know, content. And we
00:51:56
just never expected it to work,
00:51:58
obviously. Um, and she starts laughing
00:52:01
at me as my mustache falls off my face.
00:52:03
I pick it up. I put it on. She
00:52:05
essentially laughed at me like,
00:52:07
"Fucking, what are you up to?" I didn't
00:52:09
try and press on with anything else. I
00:52:11
sort of looked back at the people that I
00:52:12
know are secretly filming. I'm like
00:52:13
shrugging my shoulder. I was like,
00:52:14
"Fuck, this is pretty [ __ ] It's not
00:52:16
working." Cuz we were going to film a
00:52:17
whole bunch that day. Didn't think
00:52:19
anything of it. We got into the van and
00:52:21
off we went. Went and filmed these other
00:52:23
ones. Thought no more of it. This was on
00:52:24
a Saturday morning.
00:52:26
Sunday night rolls around and I'm about
00:52:28
to be doing prep for the morning rumble
00:52:30
show the next morning and I go on to
00:52:32
stuff.co.nz and there it is. this
00:52:34
pixelated picture of myself um from the
00:52:38
airport security with a full do you know
00:52:41
this man um tattoos
00:52:45
the one thing that always irks me I was
00:52:47
like um when was that 20 2011 so that's
00:52:52
14 years ago I was in my 20s but it said
00:52:54
mid30s I [ __ ] I like [ __ ] do you know
00:52:57
this guy did mid-30s I was like actually
00:53:00
it's hurtful yeah all that haunted blah
00:53:04
blah and I was like [ __ ] cuz you know
00:53:06
you see yourself on the cover of that
00:53:07
like do you know this guy so I was
00:53:09
panically ringing uh Ben boy so I was
00:53:11
you know Sharon was like what are we
00:53:13
going to do and um anyway so that was a
00:53:16
hectic night I'm ringing the cops going
00:53:18
and no one would answer I'm like if
00:53:20
you're looking for him I'm ringing you
00:53:22
no one would answer I'm leaving messages
00:53:24
like let's get this sorted like oh this
00:53:26
is not what you think it is I didn't try
00:53:27
and breach well I did but I didn't try I
00:53:30
get to work that next morning Monday I'm
00:53:32
doing the show. Then all of a sudden
00:53:34
it's leading the news. John Keys on
00:53:36
Breakfast News. Um it's leading
00:53:39
everything. It's front page of the
00:53:40
Herald again. Oh, it's front page of the
00:53:42
Herald with that same pixelated picture.
00:53:45
Um then someone knows it's me cuz it
00:53:48
didn't take people would have known
00:53:49
because obviously the same industry. And
00:53:51
then all of a sudden outside our windows
00:53:52
at work all the cameras turn up. So all
00:53:55
the news there was all the cameras going
00:53:56
there he is. I'm like [ __ ] what are we
00:53:58
going to do here? Like I've tried to
00:54:00
ring the cops. this is hectic. Brad, our
00:54:02
boss doesn't know what to do at this
00:54:03
time. And then our big boss at that
00:54:04
time, Andrew Schustman, was like he's
00:54:07
like, "You need to escape down the back
00:54:08
stairs and get the [ __ ] out of here."
00:54:10
And uh I don't know if that was his
00:54:11
whole plan, but that's what I remember.
00:54:13
Just get the [ __ ] out of here. And um so
00:54:15
I go down the stairs. I'm like, "This is
00:54:17
super hectic." Get in my car and just
00:54:20
essentially drive past the cameras.
00:54:22
Sharon was out there like, "Fuck off."
00:54:24
to the cameras cuz they were trying to
00:54:25
get into the building. Um which I wish
00:54:28
they had released that footage. That'd
00:54:29
be great to see now. um who are
00:54:31
defending me. But I uh I so I'm driving
00:54:34
then finally the police ring me back and
00:54:36
they're like, "Good day, mate." And I'm
00:54:37
like, "Ah, good to talk to you." And
00:54:39
they're like, "Come on out to Monaco.
00:54:41
We'll get this sorted." And naive, I was
00:54:44
like, "Ah, thank Christ." Went there,
00:54:47
didn't have any representation, any
00:54:49
lawyers or anything like that. I go into
00:54:51
the room and then talk to these
00:54:53
detectives. They both played good cop.
00:54:55
None of them were bad cop. Like they
00:54:57
both played good cop. didn't know they
00:54:59
were recording me. Well, I didn't know
00:55:00
they probably did tell me they were
00:55:01
recording me the whole time. I thought
00:55:02
we got it all cleared up. Told them
00:55:03
absolutely everything. And then they go
00:55:05
out of the room for 10 minutes and I'm
00:55:06
literally there twiddling my thumbs
00:55:07
like, "Thank Christ this has all been
00:55:09
sorted." Then they come in and they're
00:55:11
like, "Bryce Casey, um, you're under
00:55:13
arrest. The civil aviation, you
00:55:17
face two years imprisonment and $10,000
00:55:21
fine. You'll now be taken to a holding
00:55:22
court um until we can process you in
00:55:24
court at around 400 p.m. this afternoon.
00:55:27
right from main silent blah blah blah
00:55:29
blah blah and I was just sitting there
00:55:30
like
00:55:32
well like everything went silent I was
00:55:33
like what what are you talking about I
00:55:35
was like no because we just sorted it
00:55:37
out bro I just told you everything and
00:55:38
he's like yeah everything you've told us
00:55:39
will be used in evidence and I was like
00:55:41
you [ __ ]
00:55:43
you got me you did me dirty you you got
00:55:45
me you got me dirty
00:55:48
oh no and then like then I get taken to
00:55:51
this holding cell and I'm still like oh
00:55:53
man what's going on and they put me in
00:55:54
this holding cell with this other dude
00:55:55
and Um he he I I think he might have
00:55:59
been there for something more serious
00:56:00
than I was. And uh then he just starts
00:56:03
punching the wall. He's just punching
00:56:06
this wall and he's like, "Fuckers."
00:56:08
And I'm sitting there like, "Oh my
00:56:09
goodness." Like what do I do if this I'm
00:56:11
thinking in my head combos in my head if
00:56:13
I need to defend myself like 112 or
00:56:16
something like that. Something that's
00:56:17
not going out. I was like this is all so
00:56:18
hectic. Then they moved me into a cell
00:56:20
with Ben and Andy who had also been
00:56:22
arrested that day. They also thought
00:56:24
they had come to be sorting out their
00:56:26
issue. They too had been arrested. So
00:56:28
the cops got us all on that day. And
00:56:30
then we're in this holding sale.
00:56:32
Oh, one of the things that happened at
00:56:33
the holding sale. It's still one of my
00:56:34
favorite stories as we are about to
00:56:37
we've been processed. Courts told us
00:56:39
that we'll come back at a certain amount
00:56:40
of time for um court and all that [ __ ]
00:56:45
And then they as before we got to
00:56:47
holding cell actually sorry there's two
00:56:48
parts of this. As we're going through,
00:56:49
they're processing you. So, I've never
00:56:51
had that before where they're rolling
00:56:52
like you see in the movies. They're
00:56:54
taking my belt off. They're taking my
00:56:55
shoelaces so for no self harm. They're
00:56:57
rolling your fingers and ink to get your
00:56:59
fingerprints. Now, as they're doing the
00:57:00
fingerprints, this the guy goes to me,
00:57:02
um, who's doing it? I'm I'm scared. I'm
00:57:05
[ __ ] myself like, "Fuck, man. This
00:57:06
is
00:57:07
>> Oh, man. This has got out of hand." I'm
00:57:09
rolling my finger over and he's got my
00:57:12
hand on my finger and he goes, "What's
00:57:14
Rod like?"
00:57:17
I was like, "Fuck, man. I do not want to
00:57:19
talk about [ __ ] Raj right now. Like
00:57:23
he's like [ __ ] he's crack up and he's
00:57:25
rolling my fingers and I'm like mate.
00:57:26
Anyway, so then they process us in
00:57:28
court. We're about to be led out where
00:57:30
we where are aware there's a full um
00:57:33
press a whole lot of press waiting and
00:57:36
uh so we get led out to them later.
00:57:39
before we got put into that holding
00:57:40
cell, this big security guy comes up and
00:57:44
uh he had big unit and that's me, Ben,
00:57:46
and Andy and real aggressively he goes,
00:57:49
"Who's first?"
00:57:51
And I was like, "Well, I don't know what
00:57:53
you're talking about." And I'm sort of
00:57:53
looking at the ground. I'm thinking, "If
00:57:54
anyone's first, Ben, it's you. This is
00:57:56
all your idea, so you've got to say
00:57:57
first." He's, "I'm not going to [ __ ]
00:57:59
ask again. Who's first?" I was like,
00:58:00
"Oh, no." Looking at Ben like, "You
00:58:02
better say it's you." And Ben was like,
00:58:03
"What for?" And he puts on a glove and I
00:58:05
was like, "Oh no." like [ __ ] what? This
00:58:08
day has grown from bad to worse. Now
00:58:10
someone's going to be in my anus. Like
00:58:13
what is this? And then uh and then and
00:58:16
then he goes, "No, I'm just [ __ ] with
00:58:17
you."
00:58:19
I was like, "Fuck."
00:58:21
And then we get led out. All the press
00:58:23
are there and that is the picture that
00:58:25
you have. So all of that had just
00:58:27
happened and that's why I'm arms crossed
00:58:29
cuz it's been a hell of a day. All the
00:58:32
press are there. Yeah. And then we drive
00:58:33
home. um leads the news that night and
00:58:36
and then it was bloody
00:58:39
a year and a half of court and
00:58:43
they wanted the the crown had said they
00:58:46
or our our lawyer
00:58:48
thought that when it came time to the
00:58:50
final day in court, the crown wouldn't
00:58:53
argue that they would accept um you know
00:58:55
if we were you know to be discharged
00:58:58
hopefully without conviction
00:59:00
um don't do that dumb [ __ ] again, pay a
00:59:02
fine, do community service was goal um
00:59:05
obviously and but we didn't think the
00:59:07
crown would argue that but then on the
00:59:09
day the crown did they were like let's
00:59:11
actually they they said I was standing
00:59:13
there in in the in the dock like it was
00:59:15
like watching your own TV program I was
00:59:16
in that dock like on a TV program and
00:59:19
the crown is like your honor who knows
00:59:22
what Bryce Casey would have done had he
00:59:24
grabbed control of the airplane and I'm
00:59:25
sitting there like oh [ __ ] come on man
00:59:27
and then our jud lawyer who is a smart
00:59:30
man he goes I think if any member of the
00:59:33
courtroom takes a look at Bryce Casey,
00:59:35
they can realize very quickly that he
00:59:37
would have no idea what to do if he was
00:59:38
in control of a plane. And then everyone
00:59:40
started laughing at me and I was like,
00:59:41
"Perfect." And anyway, yeah, we got led
00:59:44
off uh well, we got discharged without
00:59:46
conviction. We got a fine of a few
00:59:49
thousand each and we had to do a bunch
00:59:51
of community service. Um but it was bad
00:59:54
[ __ ] man. I didn't know whether I was
00:59:55
going to lose my job. It was a huge
00:59:58
impact financially on Ben Boyce. Uh, and
01:00:00
to his credit, Champion sort of looked
01:00:02
after us all um, in that regard. So,
01:00:05
credit to him for that. I think it sort
01:00:07
of would have obviously had a lasting
01:00:09
effect on Ben cuz it was such a big
01:00:11
thing to be happening.
01:00:13
>> We're lucky we're lucky that obviously
01:00:15
we're lucky that
01:00:16
>> in my opinion that the judge had common
01:00:18
sense obviously at the time cuz it we
01:00:20
weren't trying to get on the plane or do
01:00:22
any of that.
01:00:23
>> It was [ __ ] it was blown out of
01:00:24
proportion. We need I nearly lost my
01:00:26
house. me and Sharon were buying a house
01:00:27
at the time and it was literally to be
01:00:29
the day of exchange of the house or
01:00:32
whatever, you know, I can't think of the
01:00:33
right wording for that, but the
01:00:35
insurance were like going through all
01:00:38
those classic questions and they're
01:00:39
like, "Anyone um do you have a
01:00:40
conviction pending?" I was like,
01:00:41
"Technically,
01:00:43
I do, but I'm not going to be convicted
01:00:46
of it, I don't reckon." And that they
01:00:49
can't give you the mortgage with that.
01:00:50
And
01:00:51
>> yeah, so it was it was it was hectic on
01:00:54
many many fronts. There must have been
01:00:56
um yeah during that period when it was
01:00:58
all going on there must have been
01:01:00
moments of just severe worry where you
01:01:02
thought [ __ ] maybe they'll make an
01:01:03
example of us. Maybe maybe I'm going to
01:01:04
be incarcerated.
01:01:05
>> Huge worry.
01:01:06
>> And I can't imagine um how horrible it
01:01:08
is for people that love you, your
01:01:10
family, Sharon, everyone else in your
01:01:12
inner circle like having the prime
01:01:14
minister on TV [ __ ] talking about
01:01:16
you.
01:01:16
>> Yeah.
01:01:17
>> In a negative way.
01:01:18
>> Yeah. Who was a friend of uh the show at
01:01:20
the time too,
01:01:21
>> you know? Like he's come on, as you
01:01:22
know, like he'd come on to the show and
01:01:24
be your best mate, John Key. He was the
01:01:25
first of those prime ministers really.
01:01:28
>> Yeah.
01:01:28
>> Uh yeah, but you know like I thought I
01:01:31
was going to be in a heap of trouble
01:01:32
with my parents and that everyone would
01:01:33
be disappointed and it' be back to like
01:01:35
school days Bryce where um you know what
01:01:38
have you done here? But I remember I
01:01:40
rang dad and I was you know like it had
01:01:42
been a hell of a day and I was like and
01:01:44
now I was ringing dad on the motorway on
01:01:46
the way way home from after that long
01:01:47
day that I talked about before. I
01:01:50
thought oh [ __ ] here we go. like now
01:01:51
it's the last part of the day where
01:01:53
dad's going to ream me down the phone
01:01:55
and all of that sort of stuff which I
01:01:58
you know deserved and expected and all
01:01:59
of that sort of stuff as an adult and he
01:02:01
didn't he was the opposite like he was
01:02:04
really caring straight away and I don't
01:02:05
know why it surprised me but um
01:02:07
>> it's what you needed at that time
01:02:09
>> I definitely needed it yeah he was just
01:02:11
he wasn't angry or anything he was
01:02:14
>> real supportive and caring so I remember
01:02:16
that real clearly
01:02:18
>> that's so
01:02:18
>> one of those things you want to remember
01:02:19
to be able to do I guess as your
01:02:22
>> as a parent yourself, you know.
01:02:24
>> But yeah, it was a hectic time, man.
01:02:26
>> Hectic. Well, I I've worked with Ben
01:02:27
since then. Um and it like it it changed
01:02:30
him as a person. Like he he if anything
01:02:32
probably overthinks everything now and
01:02:35
thinks about every possible outcome um
01:02:38
that could be negative in any situation
01:02:40
he does,
01:02:40
>> which some would say he shouldn't,
01:02:42
right? And even I would say he
01:02:44
shouldn't. And I know I know Ben well,
01:02:46
but yeah, then how could he not? Yeah,
01:02:48
we me and you weren't the ones who had
01:02:49
to foot all that bill or face all that
01:02:52
uncertainty with work and all that sort
01:02:54
of stuff. So yeah, you can't really put
01:02:55
yourself in his shoes, I guess, unless
01:02:57
you
01:02:58
>> dead set walked in them
01:02:59
>> with um with
01:03:00
>> I don't know if it made me rethink
01:03:02
everything though.
01:03:03
>> I've done a bunch of dumb [ __ ]
01:03:05
>> How How long was it before that was uh
01:03:07
that was on the cards for like radio
01:03:09
entertainment? Like still is.
01:03:11
>> Yeah, I'm guessing for the first year,
01:03:13
two, three years. No, I had to do like a
01:03:15
I'm that next morning I was doing like
01:03:16
full [ __ ] apologies. So, I'm really
01:03:20
sorry for everybody that disappointed.
01:03:23
Sorry to media works. Sorry to everybody
01:03:25
like that. Sorry to bring the rock into
01:03:27
disrepute.
01:03:28
>> Um
01:03:29
>> but for you personally, when did it
01:03:30
start to become sort of funny?
01:03:33
>> Like you can look back now with the
01:03:35
benefit of 14 years and go, "Okay, that
01:03:36
was a hectic time, but it's kind of
01:03:38
funny."
01:03:38
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um
01:03:40
>> must have taken a while to Yeah. I'd say
01:03:42
maybe three years. Three years.
01:03:43
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Two or three years.
01:03:45
But I reckon there would have been
01:03:46
laughs in between that as well. Yeah.
01:03:49
>> That's good. Oh, thanks for sharing that
01:03:50
stuff.
01:03:50
>> Yeah, it was a heck of time.
01:03:51
>> Well, it's part of your part of your
01:03:53
rich tapestry of life, right?
01:03:54
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's a moment.
01:03:56
>> It's a moment. All right. Yeah. I can't
01:03:57
imagine cuz I I was in the studio next
01:03:58
to you that morning when the Herald came
01:04:00
out and so they had um
01:04:02
>> this is when the newspaper was still a
01:04:03
big a big thing and it was like a big
01:04:05
photo on the front page outside the
01:04:07
dairies and the four squares. You were
01:04:09
the poster.
01:04:10
>> Yeah.
01:04:10
>> [ __ ] You must have been [ __ ]
01:04:11
yourself. I was. Yeah, I was.
01:04:15
>> Yeah, I was. I was really scared.
01:04:17
>> You're like a a fugitive. Like a wanted
01:04:19
man.
01:04:19
>> Yeah, but it was like the shittest movie
01:04:21
cuz I was like, I'm ringing you
01:04:22
[ __ ] Like answer the phone. Like
01:04:26
>> this is on you.
01:04:27
>> You can't say wanted and then not answer
01:04:29
the [ __ ] phone when I'm trying to
01:04:30
ring you. Like
01:04:32
>> uh it all common sense played out.
01:04:36
>> Ironic that we didn't show much common
01:04:38
sense in the first place of thinking
01:04:39
that was a good idea for a TV skit. M
01:04:41
>> uh but you know you live and you learn.
01:04:43
>> But it went through so many filters
01:04:44
though. No one flagged it. No one did
01:04:47
it. Did it go through heaps? I don't
01:04:48
know.
01:04:50
>> I think it maybe went through a few I
01:04:52
wouldn't say heap. But that's to my
01:04:54
earlier point of being to his credit
01:04:57
very creative mind and Andy and all
01:04:58
them. So there were stacks of skits and
01:05:01
that was considered so [ __ ] at the time
01:05:03
when we did it that we really didn't
01:05:04
think anything of it the rest of that
01:05:06
day. There wasn't one sense of ooh [ __ ]
01:05:09
like hope no one thinks anything like or
01:05:11
I hope no one says anything but I think
01:05:14
what had happened was originally on that
01:05:15
day that I think that person the lady
01:05:19
who was laughing at me I think how I
01:05:22
gather it is that she said in passing to
01:05:25
someone else like how's that [ __ ]
01:05:27
you know dress as the pilot with the
01:05:28
mustache falling off and then then that
01:05:32
got said to someone else and then all of
01:05:33
a sudden ones get said to a few people
01:05:34
like huh someone is addressed as a um
01:05:37
you know a pilot trying to get through
01:05:40
security like a week out from the World
01:05:42
Cup in this airport.
01:05:44
>> Yeah, maybe it's al-Qaeda.
01:05:46
>> Yeah. Quick look at the security footage
01:05:48
and then it sort of I think
01:05:49
>> escalated.
01:05:50
>> It escalated to a point it shouldn't
01:05:52
have.
01:05:53
>> But then yeah, as I say, we probably
01:05:54
shouldn't have done it.
01:05:55
>> Yeah. Or live and learn. Live and learn.
01:05:58
>> Um let's talk about your family life.
01:06:00
So, um Sharon, what's the meat cute
01:06:01
there?
01:06:02
>> What's the How did we meet
01:06:03
>> the meat cute? Yeah. What's the What's
01:06:05
the story there? So, you you you
01:06:07
mentioned earlier you after you left
01:06:09
school, you followed a girl down to
01:06:10
Denedan. That didn't work out.
01:06:12
>> Um, so you had a couple of relationships
01:06:13
and then
01:06:14
>> were you a ladies man?
01:06:16
>> No. No, I wouldn't. Well, no. No, I
01:06:19
wouldn't say that. I mean, obviously
01:06:20
different people enjoyed being single at
01:06:22
different times. I got to figure out how
01:06:24
to answer this.
01:06:25
>> Uh, but no, I liked relationships. Like
01:06:28
I had Yeah. I had one for a couple of
01:06:30
years uh at the end of school and then I
01:06:32
had another one for a couple of years uh
01:06:33
who I lived with. Um and then me and
01:06:36
Sharon had met at work but then at that
01:06:39
time we each had different
01:06:40
relationships. Um she was doing the
01:06:42
night show when I was doing the night
01:06:43
show uh for the rock and she was obvious
01:06:45
doing the night show at the edge. Um
01:06:47
we'd sort of see each other around and
01:06:49
then and then um we yeah a few mutual
01:06:53
friends and stuff like that and it
01:06:55
blossom from there. And then we were
01:06:56
together for a little while and then um
01:06:59
and then we had a little break and then
01:07:01
obviously Yeah. We've been together well
01:07:03
we've been married 13 years this year in
01:07:07
October and
01:07:08
>> I guess it 13 years. That was a great
01:07:10
wedding.
01:07:11
>> Yep. You were there.
01:07:12
>> Yeah.
01:07:12
>> Uh and yeah, together what 15 or so.
01:07:17
>> How is it what's the what's the good and
01:07:18
bad things about being part of a like
01:07:20
power couple?
01:07:21
>> Uh well see I don't that doesn't sit
01:07:23
comfortably. A power couple. I don't
01:07:25
really see us as a power couple. Um,
01:07:28
>> and that's not trying to be humble or
01:07:29
any of that [ __ ] It's just a weird
01:07:30
thing to
01:07:32
>> to think of in that way. Um, I think you
01:07:35
definitely notice it sometimes if you're
01:07:36
out and about. Like we I think we've got
01:07:39
to be more conscious of
01:07:41
>> not the way you behave outrageously, but
01:07:43
you're well maybe sometimes semi-aware
01:07:46
to
01:07:48
>> not do what some of your mates do or
01:07:49
whatever, you know, not to blow out. Um,
01:07:53
but it's great in the respect mainly
01:07:57
Sharon's like, as you know, Sharon has
01:08:01
heaps of unbelievable qualities, right?
01:08:03
But one of her greatest is is her heart
01:08:07
and how strongly she wears it on her
01:08:08
sleeve. And so, like,
01:08:10
>> I have no greater supporter uh on my
01:08:14
side than her. And so given that and
01:08:17
also given the fact of her experience
01:08:18
and the fact that she does the same job
01:08:20
that's been hugely beneficial I reckon
01:08:22
for me even to answer your earlier
01:08:23
question of longevity.
01:08:25
>> Sharon would have been a massive part of
01:08:26
that because she gets what I'm talking
01:08:29
about if I vent about this or that which
01:08:32
to anybody else would be like what are
01:08:33
you complaining about like you worked
01:08:35
till midday [ __ ] but she gets it
01:08:38
that relationship side of it because
01:08:40
>> she's done the same job. So, that's
01:08:42
number one that I can think of off the
01:08:44
top of my head. The biggest advantage
01:08:46
>> that she gets gets what we get what each
01:08:48
other's jobs are.
01:08:49
>> Well, you even you even said it before
01:08:51
when you were talking about the 2011
01:08:52
pilot incident and she was downstairs
01:08:54
telling the reporters to [ __ ] off. Like,
01:08:56
she's she is so um so loyal.
01:08:59
>> E so loyal, so fiercely protective of
01:09:02
people around her.
01:09:03
>> But I think I'm super loyal, too. And
01:09:05
so, combined,
01:09:07
>> yeah, it's a real definitely have each
01:09:09
other's backs.
01:09:10
>> Yeah. and not negotiable. What What are
01:09:12
your What are your respective fighting
01:09:14
styles like when you have an argument?
01:09:16
>> It's all go.
01:09:19
>> You know, you're on a hiding to nothing,
01:09:21
though.
01:09:21
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh just
01:09:23
>> But see, I mean, everyone has qualities
01:09:25
and faults and I I definitely have a
01:09:28
fault of um like I can
01:09:33
uh and I think I probably got better
01:09:35
over time. I don't know. She might say
01:09:36
that, but we both I reckon what we both
01:09:39
do is the radio in us or the fighter in
01:09:42
us cuz we both got fight in us. You have
01:09:45
to have the last word. And so like that
01:09:48
can we can each [ __ ] go to ridiculous
01:09:50
points of you'll think you finally got
01:09:52
the last word and then then you'll see
01:09:54
this
01:09:58
last word. And so um
01:10:01
yeah, we're both we both can be fiery,
01:10:03
but you know what? to be honest like
01:10:06
we don't fight heaps and heaps. I reckon
01:10:08
if we do fight like in a good
01:10:10
relationship you which you should fight.
01:10:12
I reckon if you never fought then I
01:10:14
think that's quite odd if you never
01:10:15
fight.
01:10:16
>> Um
01:10:18
>> yeah, but I think we've probably got
01:10:20
better. We definitely got better at not
01:10:22
fighting, but yeah, we're both we both
01:10:24
have fire in us for sure. Are you are
01:10:27
you good at um like bringing up those
01:10:29
tough conversations like you know like
01:10:30
at work if if one of your co-hosts is
01:10:32
doing something to [ __ ] you off you you
01:10:34
know you sort of Yeah.
01:10:36
>> It's hard though cuz it's easy in a
01:10:37
relationship just to go h I'm going to
01:10:40
postpone this. Yeah.
01:10:41
>> I need to have this conversation but I
01:10:42
can't do it right now.
01:10:43
>> Way better. I've got better at asking
01:10:45
other people whether I should and how I
01:10:46
should go about having those
01:10:48
conversations conversations as well. So
01:10:50
I do that. Sharon is the one who's
01:10:52
taught me a lot of that.
01:10:54
>> Yeah. She's really good at those
01:10:56
relationships. Like she even right from
01:10:58
early on would, you know, make me aware
01:11:01
of
01:11:03
and this sounds like she's telling me
01:11:04
what to do and not at all. But she, you
01:11:06
know, if we had a I don't know, a fight
01:11:08
or what, whatever it may be. Sharon's
01:11:10
really good at she's really emotionally
01:11:13
um
01:11:15
what's the word? Uh vulnerable and um
01:11:19
wise and things like that. So she's like
01:11:22
you, for example, she'll be like, you
01:11:23
can't block that out or you're not
01:11:25
addressing that or you, you know, this
01:11:27
needs to be communicated better or you
01:11:30
know, we do this right and wrong
01:11:31
relationship wise or whatever. So yeah,
01:11:34
she's she's real switched on. So I think
01:11:36
I've learned that from her, I reckon.
01:11:38
>> Yeah, cuz you know, usually, you know,
01:11:40
like if you're early in relationships,
01:11:41
you could have a fight or whatever and
01:11:43
then just be like, "I'm right." And the
01:11:44
other person be like, "Well, I'm right."
01:11:46
Yeah,
01:11:46
>> but it takes you obviously it's much
01:11:48
better if you're just like [ __ ] no one
01:11:52
wants to fight, you know, like it's way
01:11:54
better in any situation, whether it be
01:11:56
home life or work life if you if
01:11:57
everyone's actually getting on.
01:11:59
>> Yeah. As satisfying as what it is to
01:12:00
say, well, I'm sorry for whatever it is
01:12:02
you're upset about.
01:12:03
>> Yeah.
01:12:04
>> It's not helpful.
01:12:05
>> That Yeah, it's not helpful. Yeah. Yeah.
01:12:07
>> Um Oh, that's great. Have you guys had
01:12:09
like um couples counseling together?
01:12:11
Have you done any dual
01:12:13
>> Yeah.
01:12:13
>> relationship stuff? Yeah, I think we uh
01:12:16
should remember this exactly. Um
01:12:19
>> Sharon was the first one. Sharon's a big
01:12:21
believer in therapy. Like
01:12:23
>> as I say, like she uh even with all of
01:12:26
this mental health stuff that obviously
01:12:27
we've done on the station,
01:12:29
>> she's a good driver behind all of that
01:12:31
because she was the first one who really
01:12:33
it sunk in with me the benefits of
01:12:35
therapy and talking and all of that side
01:12:37
of it. So she's used quite a lot of it.
01:12:40
And then it was because of her that I
01:12:41
tried uh it for the first time as well.
01:12:44
Um
01:12:46
and that gives you a better place to
01:12:48
actually recommend it to you know our
01:12:49
audience when we talk about it. It's all
01:12:50
good to tell someone to go and do
01:12:51
something but if you've never done it
01:12:53
yourself then
01:12:54
>> you know obviously gives you a better
01:12:55
place of understanding. As for couples
01:12:57
um I think we could any relationship
01:13:00
could do well for having it regularly
01:13:03
>> but we don't. But it's funny cuz you
01:13:05
tell people to do all these things
01:13:07
>> and you know it's going to be
01:13:08
beneficial,
01:13:09
>> but you don't always do it yourself.
01:13:11
>> Yeah.
01:13:12
>> Yeah. Like even with mental health
01:13:13
stuff. Oh, I could be better with my own
01:13:15
mental health, I'm sure,
01:13:17
>> than what I am. Um sometimes it's
01:13:21
cathartic as well to I don't know to be
01:13:24
telling other people to do it.
01:13:26
>> It's hard. Funny one.
01:13:28
>> You therapy therapy is good. I I I put
01:13:30
off going for years and years and years.
01:13:31
I I don't know why. I just thought it'd
01:13:33
be weird sitting down with someone you
01:13:34
don't know and like where where do you
01:13:35
begin?
01:13:36
>> Yeah. And not all therapists the right
01:13:37
person for you and all of that sort of
01:13:38
thing.
01:13:39
>> Find the right fit.
01:13:40
>> Yeah.
01:13:40
>> Um yeah, you guys have been through like
01:13:43
a lot and a lot of stuff that could
01:13:44
either bring a couple closer together
01:13:46
which it has done for you guys or sort
01:13:48
of make you go on your own path in
01:13:50
different directions like um you got a
01:13:52
couple of kids now um Tyson and Ruben.
01:13:54
Yeah.
01:13:54
>> Couple of boys. Is that is that it? You
01:13:56
done or you?
01:13:56
>> Yeah, we're done. I'm snapped.
01:13:58
>> Have you? How was that?
01:13:59
>> Uh yeah. No good. I uh I got the one in
01:14:03
like one in 200 reaction. My testicle.
01:14:07
Uh so so obviously they you know you got
01:14:10
like these little noodles or whatever in
01:14:11
there. They look like little um
01:14:15
uh I don't know little udon noodles.
01:14:19
Two of them come out and they get like
01:14:22
they do different things and singe them
01:14:23
and cut them or whatever. Anyway, when
01:14:25
he had mine out, he was talking to me
01:14:27
about radio and about wine in Hawks Bay
01:14:30
and he dropped one of mine and so it
01:14:32
went back into the coin purse and I
01:14:34
could feel him rumaging around as he was
01:14:36
talking cuz obviously you can't feel it
01:14:38
feel it but I was like what's going on
01:14:39
down there and cuz you're laying on your
01:14:41
back sort of looking at him which is a
01:14:42
weird place to have a conversation with
01:14:44
someone in the first place. Uh anyways,
01:14:46
like I just dropped it. But all that
01:14:48
rumaging [ __ ] everything up. And I had
01:14:50
this um it worked, but I had like a
01:14:54
avocado colored and sized left testy for
01:14:58
like a week. Like it shocked Sharon like
01:15:01
when I got home and it I couldn't it was
01:15:04
really painful to walk. Anytime I moved
01:15:06
my stomach, it felt like a coil was sort
01:15:08
of being pulled from inside. Now don't
01:15:10
get me wrong, that's nothing on what
01:15:13
women and Sharon went through and all
01:15:14
that.
01:15:15
But I but I certainly I paid me own
01:15:18
little price.
01:15:19
>> Yeah. So yeah, we're done. But also
01:15:21
mainly it would be
01:15:24
>> I mean I'd love to have more and all
01:15:25
that stuff and I know Sharon would but I
01:15:28
wouldn't be able to you wouldn't want to
01:15:31
try with Sharon cuz we had it was so
01:15:33
touch and go even with Reuben our
01:15:35
youngest.
01:15:37
Um that I wouldn't a want to put Sharon
01:15:39
wouldn't want to go through that again
01:15:40
I'm sure. Um and couldn't bear to lose
01:15:44
another child,
01:15:45
>> you know, we lost three in the leadup.
01:15:47
>> Yeah. Yeah. You want to talk about that?
01:15:49
>> Yeah.
01:15:49
>> Three three miscarriages.
01:15:51
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:15:53
>> Yeah. So, um yeah. 2013 you started
01:15:56
trying to conceive.
01:15:57
>> Yeah. Probably.
01:15:58
>> Yeah.
01:15:58
>> Yep.
01:15:58
>> So, you caught stuff out of the way.
01:16:00
You're like, "This is good." Yeah. Yeah.
01:16:03
>> I always wanted to be a dad. Like, I've
01:16:06
always wanted to be a dad. Going back to
01:16:07
my earlier gynecology chat.
01:16:09
>> Um
01:16:10
>> Yeah. I always wanted to be a dad, love
01:16:12
kids. Um, and we thought it would just
01:16:15
be that classic easy, you know, like
01:16:17
what almost you told when you were
01:16:18
young, you know, to wear protection cuz
01:16:21
[ __ ] you know, you'll do it once and
01:16:22
you'll be pregnant.
01:16:23
>> Um,
01:16:24
>> don't use that towel.
01:16:25
>> Yeah. Yeah. But it turns out it's
01:16:27
>> Yeah.
01:16:28
>> As many people will be able to tell. I
01:16:29
mean, you know, I know you you yourself
01:16:31
obviously um and you've al always been
01:16:35
super open with that chat as well. Like
01:16:37
it's hard for a lot of New Zealanders.
01:16:39
Um and so yeah, we we fell pregnant. Um
01:16:44
and then yeah, obviously we uh lost our
01:16:47
first one, which was uh brutal.
01:16:50
>> But how many weeks?
01:16:53
>> First one was was reasonably early on.
01:16:56
Uh, but then it's a weird answer that
01:16:59
cuz I think as soon as you're pregnant,
01:17:02
you know, like I I never I always find
01:17:05
that weird how you're like you're not
01:17:06
supposed to tell people till you're 12
01:17:07
weeks. Like
01:17:09
>> I personally don't agree with that cuz I
01:17:10
reckon it's such a joyous occasion when
01:17:12
you're trying for it. I feel like the
01:17:13
more people you have in your support
01:17:14
network
01:17:15
>> that you trust the better from 3, four,
01:17:18
five weeks, whenever you find out
01:17:20
onwards because
01:17:21
>> Yeah, man. And if it doesn't work for
01:17:23
whatever reason and you lose it, like
01:17:26
it's brutal and it's super it can be
01:17:28
super lonely where it's just you two and
01:17:29
nobody else knew.
01:17:31
>> Um I I agree with that wholeheartedly
01:17:34
cuz it's like you're supposed to keep it
01:17:35
a secret cuz that's the danger zone.
01:17:37
>> Um but then you lose it and it's
01:17:38
suddenly you got to tell people you were
01:17:40
pregnant and now you're not anymore.
01:17:42
>> Yeah. I don't like it.
01:17:44
>> Yeah. It's there must be a re there's
01:17:45
got to be a reason for it, but I don't
01:17:47
know what it is cuz if you've been on
01:17:48
the down side of it, it's not [ __ ]
01:17:50
fun.
01:17:50
>> No, not at all. Um yeah, it was it was
01:17:52
horrible. We
01:17:55
I remember and because we had talked
01:17:56
about it I think you know one two so one
01:18:00
we had lost and another occasion.
01:18:02
>> Is that is that the one uh you called
01:18:04
Sharky?
01:18:04
>> Yep.
01:18:05
>> Yeah.
01:18:05
>> Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. There's Sharky.
01:18:06
There's Bunny. Bunny was first I think.
01:18:09
Bunny, there's Sharky. Um
01:18:12
>> yeah. There's one though I remember like
01:18:14
we one moment I remember I used to and
01:18:18
Sharon in particular cuz it's so much
01:18:20
harder for Sharon and woman because
01:18:24
you're the obviously the carrying the
01:18:26
baby and so I think she felt even more a
01:18:29
sense of um failure.
01:18:31
>> Yeah. Or guilt and all of those sorts of
01:18:33
things which obviously you shouldn't and
01:18:35
couldn't but you can't tell someone how
01:18:36
to feel. But then that's hard as a guy
01:18:39
too cuz you can't do anything cuz it's
01:18:40
you're not carrying it. But I remember
01:18:42
we used to dread going to the sonogram.
01:18:47
Is it sonogram?
01:18:49
>> Ultrasound. Sorry.
01:18:50
>> It's to dread going to those because you
01:18:52
didn't want to get the bad news that
01:18:53
you'd got previously. And I remember
01:18:54
there was a lady that did one in
01:18:56
particular, lovely lady. Uh
01:18:59
she knew of our loss before um as being
01:19:03
a listener and lovely lady. And so she
01:19:05
was she was loving when um Sharon was
01:19:09
pregnant again. and then was loving them
01:19:11
and then we had like a follow-up and so
01:19:12
we actually grew to you know be like oh
01:19:14
yeah this good place and then we went
01:19:16
back and then turned it on and and the
01:19:18
heartbeat had gone and stuff and I just
01:19:20
remember even seeing the disappointment
01:19:21
in in her face. Yeah, that's brutal,
01:19:24
man. Like I Yeah, we cried a lot. I was
01:19:28
Yeah, you cuz I mean you'd lost a child.
01:19:31
We still
01:19:33
um you know Tyson, our seven-year-old,
01:19:37
is smart little fella and even Ruben to
01:19:40
a little extent knows it. But they think
01:19:42
of themselves, you know, as being one of
01:19:45
five. Like they Tyson will often
01:19:48
reference um Sharky and Bunny and he'll
01:19:51
make little jokes like, "Man, it'd be a
01:19:53
loud car if there were all five of us
01:19:55
were in here, Dad." And um yeah, they
01:19:58
talk about them being up in the stars
01:19:59
with our dog Wussie that passed away
01:20:01
last year and um Warren G and
01:20:04
>> they yeah, they're well aware of it. But
01:20:07
yeah, it's it's brutal. Uh so when we
01:20:10
lost the third one
01:20:14
um Sham was having to get a DNC where if
01:20:19
it's far enough along
01:20:21
it for in real layman's terms you can't
01:20:24
pass it naturally or whatever they have
01:20:26
to do an operation or for a procedure
01:20:30
to uh help sort of you know uh pass you
01:20:35
know get take take little uh baby out
01:20:37
anyway. And uh so horrific to have to go
01:20:40
and do that. Obviously for any person or
01:20:42
couple that have been through that.
01:20:43
We're going to get that. And long story
01:20:46
short, yeah, there was a guy Amar who
01:20:47
was the obstitrician.
01:20:49
Um he is a private obstitrician but also
01:20:53
as part of their job they have to work I
01:20:54
think a couple of days at the public
01:20:56
hospital. We were there getting that. We
01:20:57
met him and we had met many people at
01:20:59
this point obviously. Yeah. And my story
01:21:02
remembers that he essentially was like,
01:21:04
"If you don't mind, I wouldn't mind
01:21:05
having a look at something else while
01:21:07
I'm here. I've got I think I know what
01:21:09
it might be." Yeah. And his suspicion
01:21:12
was that it was like a heart-shaped
01:21:14
uterus that Sharon had. And so a picture
01:21:18
of heart shaped uterus. And he was
01:21:20
correct. And so what he was able to do
01:21:22
and what he said he'd do is said he'd
01:21:24
come in and laser and snip that sort of
01:21:27
top of the heart part and make it one
01:21:29
big oven. again. He said what was
01:21:31
happening when it was a heart shape was
01:21:33
a bun would start growing on one side of
01:21:36
the oven and the other side of the oven
01:21:37
didn't know there was a bun in it and it
01:21:39
would cut off the heat and so it could
01:21:41
only get to a certain size. And that was
01:21:42
sort of how he described it in a super
01:21:44
simple way. He said once I snip that
01:21:46
it's going to be a full oven, your bun's
01:21:49
going to cook and you're going to have a
01:21:51
little boy. And he worded it to us
01:21:53
almost as simply as that. Um and at that
01:21:56
point we're like whatever, mate. Like
01:21:59
>> you try anything, right?
01:22:00
>> Yeah, you can try anything and sure
01:22:02
almost had you know super deflated and
01:22:05
uh crushed after three.
01:22:08
>> He did it. He snipped it. Tyson
01:22:12
and so
01:22:13
>> [ __ ]
01:22:14
>> Yeah. And he was the obstitrician for
01:22:15
that. Um obviously ceserian at 38 weeks
01:22:18
for Tyson. Um amazing. And then yeah,
01:22:22
Reuben was a different story. Um Reuben
01:22:24
is he's got his middle name. So he's
01:22:26
Reuben Amar Casey. He's named after the
01:22:28
obstatrician.
01:22:29
>> What a tribute.
01:22:30
>> Yeah, pretty cool.
01:22:31
>> Uh might have been gutted he wasn't Amar
01:22:33
Reuben, but um but he's Ruben Amar. And
01:22:35
uh
01:22:37
but that was that was a heap more
01:22:39
difficult pregnancy for Sharon cuz she
01:22:41
was in hospital from like 21 weeks. It
01:22:44
was co so we could only I could only
01:22:46
visit her for like an hour a day. Tyson
01:22:48
couldn't come visit her. Um she was in
01:22:51
hospital essentially from essentially
01:22:52
from 21 weeks until he was born at um 29
01:22:57
weeks or 28 weeks. 28 and four I think
01:22:59
he was
01:23:00
>> 28 weeks 4 days. Yeah. So then into the
01:23:03
Niku department and then that was co we
01:23:05
weren't allowed to see Reuben at the
01:23:06
same time together. Uh he was born not
01:23:09
breathing like you get all these
01:23:11
appreciations for things you knew
01:23:12
nothing about. And obviously Niku
01:23:14
department and Starship and that was
01:23:16
something I'd always heard about but you
01:23:18
don't know it until you're in there and
01:23:19
you meet these other families and
01:23:21
similar situations and coupled with co
01:23:25
it was yeah a wild time like that's why
01:23:28
Sharon can sleep through anything now
01:23:30
and she literally had to be in a
01:23:31
hospital for you know 23 hours a day by
01:23:33
herself wondering if she was going to
01:23:35
lose that baby you know like
01:23:38
>> that's pretty tough pretty tough in an
01:23:41
obvious sense but also tough resilience
01:23:45
>> to to get yourself through that amount
01:23:48
of time cuz I could just go about my day
01:23:49
normally like I was still working
01:23:51
>> cuz we could cuz of co we're still doing
01:23:54
radio. I still had to look after Tyson
01:23:56
and um everything else. So I was lucky
01:24:00
in that way that I could just keep
01:24:01
soldiering on where she was just there
01:24:03
having to be
01:24:04
>> living it,
01:24:05
>> laying on her back. Um, yeah, that must
01:24:08
have been a hell of a mask that you put
01:24:09
on at the time though, like uh to go
01:24:12
into work for four hours.
01:24:13
>> Yeah.
01:24:14
>> Cracking jokes with with this massive uh
01:24:17
turmoil going on.
01:24:18
>> It was, but it was also like a perfect
01:24:20
escape.
01:24:21
>> Okay. Yeah.
01:24:23
>> Yeah. It was quite a welcome escape.
01:24:25
>> [ __ ] It's a lot to go through. What uh
01:24:28
even though Amar came up with um that
01:24:30
solution? Yeah. Why did you guys keep
01:24:32
going after three?
01:24:35
Well, that's a good question. I don't
01:24:36
know. Maybe I don't know if we're going
01:24:38
to be one last attempt, one last crack.
01:24:40
>> Yeah, Sharon would answer that question
01:24:42
better. I've sort of
01:24:44
>> blocked it out.
01:24:45
>> Yeah, maybe a little bit. But I don't
01:24:47
know if we're going to keep trying. I I
01:24:48
I could actually imagine Sharon probably
01:24:50
was like, I can't do this again.
01:24:52
>> It was such a toll.
01:24:54
>> And then that's when he was like, just,
01:24:55
you know, let us try that. And then it
01:24:57
worked. But obviously it was so super
01:24:59
nerve-wracking that the whole pregnancy
01:25:01
with Tyson
01:25:02
>> right up until
01:25:04
>> Yeah. that night before at 38 weeks.
01:25:06
I've got a photo of it where, you know,
01:25:08
Sharon's sort of dancing around in the
01:25:10
room. Uh I got a great photo of it where
01:25:12
she's dancing in her um underwear and
01:25:16
Tyson's sort of, you know, popping out
01:25:17
at 38 weeks. And
01:25:19
>> yeah, we were off the next morning to
01:25:20
had to be at the hospital at 6:00 a.m.
01:25:22
for him to come out the sunroof. And so
01:25:24
it was like, wow, what's happening?
01:25:26
>> [ __ ] That whole pregnancy, you must
01:25:27
have just been holding your breath.
01:25:30
Yeah.
01:25:30
>> Four eggshells. Yeah.
01:25:32
>> [ __ ] I'm glad it's been success for you
01:25:34
guys.
01:25:34
>> I think I
01:25:35
>> Yeah, I think we went to Oh, thank you.
01:25:37
Yeah.
01:25:38
>> Yeah, I am too.
01:25:40
>> Yeah, it's the greatest thing we've ever
01:25:41
done.
01:25:42
>> Cuz you you've done a bit of TV work.
01:25:43
You've been on seven days a bunch of
01:25:44
times and you did stuff on the project
01:25:46
as well and uh it was closer to the time
01:25:49
of this happening, but you talked about
01:25:50
this on the project and yeah, you got
01:25:52
emotional. I remember that.
01:25:53
>> Yeah.
01:25:54
>> Yeah. Yep. Can't I can't control that
01:25:56
the emotion stuff. Uh
01:25:58
>> it's powerful TV. It's good to cry and
01:26:00
it normalizes it. I remember it
01:26:02
happening. I remember that exact moment
01:26:03
cuz with the project it was almost over
01:26:07
um
01:26:09
rehearsed and practiced which I'm not a
01:26:11
big fan of cuz
01:26:13
>> I get a read through but you know the
01:26:15
idea of doing read through to make sure
01:26:17
you don't [ __ ] the words up and all of
01:26:18
that stuff but then also you lose
01:26:21
>> those moments of you know spontaneity.
01:26:23
Anyway, but I remember with that one, I
01:26:26
sort of knew what I was going to do as
01:26:27
the lead into the story of whatever it
01:26:29
was, but then all of a sudden when it
01:26:31
was live and I remember as it was
01:26:33
starting and I could see the um cue on
01:26:36
the cameras that I was going to read and
01:26:38
I remember thinking, "Oh, no." Cuz you
01:26:40
know when you know you're going to cry,
01:26:42
you feel it.
01:26:43
>> Feel it in the nose.
01:26:44
>> Yeah. You've got that two or three
01:26:45
second warning where you're like, "Oh,
01:26:46
fuck."
01:26:47
>> And I was just like, "I can't fight it."
01:26:49
And then I remember thinking just feel
01:26:51
it when it's happening. Um, yeah, it's
01:26:54
out of it. You also think you're crying
01:26:56
way more than what you are
01:26:58
>> when you're doing it if you're talking
01:27:00
to someone or whatever. Cuz on replay or
01:27:04
whatever, I pictured in my head I was
01:27:06
this blubbering mess, but it was
01:27:08
actually sort of more just a
01:27:11
>> broken voice and you could hear the
01:27:13
emotion. you after something like that,
01:27:15
you must feel just like completely sort
01:27:17
of vulnerable,
01:27:19
>> you know, like it's hard to feel more
01:27:21
exposed than I guess you do.
01:27:23
>> Totally. But then we came off air and my
01:27:24
phone had blown up from friends and
01:27:26
family and all of that sort of stuff.
01:27:28
>> Um, so I knew it was a good thing.
01:27:30
>> Yeah.
01:27:30
>> But I think I'd learned before that as
01:27:32
well that, you know,
01:27:35
>> emotion and vulnerability, vulnerability
01:27:37
and all of that is is a, you know,
01:27:38
>> a superpower.
01:27:39
>> Obviously a great thing. We we we all
01:27:41
know that, but it's it's still, you
01:27:42
know, I don't know. It's hard. It's
01:27:45
[ __ ] hard.
01:27:45
>> Yeah.
01:27:46
>> Um Yeah. How are you like as a parent?
01:27:48
What's your what's your report card
01:27:50
like? You're pretty good. What are you
01:27:51
What are you do? What are you better at?
01:27:53
And you know, not as good as at at as
01:27:55
what you thought you might be.
01:27:57
>> I still I look at my phone too much.
01:27:59
>> Yeah. If I if I could do one thing less,
01:28:02
it would be
01:28:04
I I've considered lately going ditching
01:28:07
my iPhone and getting literally like a
01:28:11
flip phone. Like I've been putting
01:28:13
genuine thought into it, having a few
01:28:14
chats with a few people, but it's so
01:28:16
crucial for my job.
01:28:17
>> Like so much my job revolves around
01:28:20
little news things you find on
01:28:22
Instagram. Doom scrolling creates so
01:28:24
much of our jobs content.
01:28:27
>> Yeah, you can call it content hunting.
01:28:29
Yeah. And I justify that with but I but
01:28:32
the reality is I spend way too much time
01:28:36
looking at [ __ ] that doesn't matter. And
01:28:38
that'll be sometimes, you know, when
01:28:39
Tyson's trying to tell me a story cuz
01:28:41
little seven-year-olds and
01:28:42
three-year-olds talk so much that
01:28:44
sometimes that can become tiring.
01:28:47
>> But then you got to remember like it
01:28:49
goes so quick and everybody says that.
01:28:51
But it's so true. Like when I look at
01:28:53
Tyson now who's seven and then I see I
01:28:56
remember when he was Reuben's age of
01:28:58
three I'm like that doesn't feel like
01:29:01
that long ago. Um
01:29:03
>> so that's one thing I wish I could do
01:29:04
better is uh is not get distracted. But
01:29:07
I do think I do a good job you know like
01:29:10
um
01:29:11
>> like I go and play with Tyson heaps
01:29:13
outside. I try and spend heaps of time
01:29:15
with them each um whether it be together
01:29:17
or one-on-one. I'm super loving. I tell
01:29:21
them at nauseium how much I love them.
01:29:24
Um, like to the point where it's
01:29:25
punching. Like I'll say to Tyson, "Guess
01:29:27
what?" He'll be like, "I know you love
01:29:29
me." Like, you know, that's not
01:29:31
something I always heard from dad much.
01:29:32
Like I I can count I remember when dad
01:29:35
said that to me when we were on a we
01:29:36
went away on a father son golf trip when
01:29:38
I was like 13 or 14 and we were going to
01:29:41
sleep and it was just me and him away
01:29:42
and he was like, "Love you, mate." And I
01:29:43
remember being like, "Fuck, whoa." Like
01:29:45
out of it. And so like
01:29:49
I'm sure he did say it heaps more, but I
01:29:51
remember that.
01:29:53
>> Um but obviously people would Yeah. I
01:29:56
don't know. So I I reckon maybe um maybe
01:29:59
you try and do too much for your kids.
01:30:01
>> We're a generation I've talked about
01:30:02
this with other people too. There's such
01:30:04
a wild difference in parenting between
01:30:06
my parents and us as parents. Whether
01:30:08
that be through how you um
01:30:13
you know punish them or you know all of
01:30:16
those sorts of things. You know you'd go
01:30:17
out for 10 hours when we were kids
01:30:19
skating and biking and whatever with
01:30:20
mates and come back when it was dark and
01:30:22
now you'd be worried if they walked down
01:30:24
the street for for 10 minutes you'd be
01:30:26
like where's Dyson? Who's got him? You
01:30:28
know like so there's such a huge
01:30:30
difference but you got to let them
01:30:31
problem solve. I'm I'm trying to I'm
01:30:33
trying to I'm trying to learn.
01:30:36
>> Let go of that.
01:30:37
>> Yeah. It's hard though. It's real. It's
01:30:39
really hard cuz you want to give them
01:30:41
answers and you want
01:30:43
>> I want them to they're in this snapshot
01:30:45
at the moment. Like I want them to stay
01:30:47
how they are. Like it's such a beautiful
01:30:49
innocent ages seven and three where
01:30:52
no bad shit's happened to them. Like
01:30:54
everyone has to go through bad things,
01:30:55
but I I never want them to go through
01:30:58
bad things.
01:30:59
>> Like I just Yeah. I can gets me
01:31:02
emotional thinking about it, but like I
01:31:03
just I never I don't know. I just never
01:31:05
want anything bad to happen to them.
01:31:07
>> [ __ ] That's cool.
01:31:08
>> So, it's like Yeah. So, I sort of want
01:31:10
them to stay as they are.
01:31:11
>> That's cool. Well, I think like every
01:31:12
>> Well, it will. And that's life.
01:31:13
>> Yeah. I think every generation does like
01:31:15
the absolute best they can with the
01:31:17
tools and information they'veveve
01:31:18
they've got available at the time.
01:31:22
>> I don't I don't know if that over love
01:31:23
thing comes from how long it took to get
01:31:25
them or not or whether I imagine I would
01:31:27
have been exactly the same with
01:31:29
>> whoever was here.
01:31:30
>> But if that's the worst thing you do as
01:31:31
a parent, oh, dad just loved us so much.
01:31:33
Like I'm sure I do worse things.
01:31:36
>> Yeah. But that's
01:31:38
>> that's what springs to mind.
01:31:40
>> [ __ ] I can see you getting um like
01:31:42
emotional just like reflecting on the
01:31:44
boys and talking about the boys. That's
01:31:46
that's really cool. They might they
01:31:48
might stumble across this and watch this
01:31:49
one day and um I can't imagine how that
01:31:52
would make them feel.
01:31:53
>> Yeah. Well,
01:31:53
>> it's powerful stuff. Eh,
01:31:54
>> you'd hope so. Yeah. That's the one
01:31:57
thing that scares me the most, I reckon,
01:31:58
is uh or a something, you know,
01:32:01
obviously them not having everything
01:32:03
they want and all of that sort of stuff,
01:32:04
but um
01:32:06
yeah, I I've heard you ask it on
01:32:08
different podcasts and sorry if I'm
01:32:11
ruining your question for later, but I
01:32:12
remember you have asked people what they
01:32:14
what they fear or what they're scared
01:32:16
of.
01:32:16
>> Yeah.
01:32:17
>> And it definitely is death for me. I
01:32:19
[ __ ] hate death. I don't like the
01:32:21
idea of it. I I hate the finality of it.
01:32:25
Hate that people face it. Hate that it
01:32:27
happens to good people when other pieces
01:32:29
of [ __ ] walk around. Um that irks me. Um
01:32:33
and I hate the idea of not being there
01:32:36
for them. Like
01:32:38
>> but of course that's going to happen cuz
01:32:39
it's natural.
01:32:40
>> Yeah. And also Yeah. The FOMO aspect,
01:32:42
the stuff that you miss out on.
01:32:43
>> Yeah. And I want them to be like I'm
01:32:45
close with my mom and dad, but I'm like
01:32:47
I can't imagine like but I can easily
01:32:49
also go a week or two without talking to
01:32:50
mom and dad, you And that's not cuz I
01:32:52
don't like them or anything, but it's
01:32:53
just cuz you've got your own life going.
01:32:55
But I can't ever see that being the way
01:32:57
for Tyson and Reuben. Like I'm like, I
01:33:01
don't ever want it to be where we just
01:33:02
don't talk for a couple of weeks or
01:33:03
whatever. Like maybe it's just a stage.
01:33:06
Maybe I'm just learning as a I'm just in
01:33:08
that new parent stage or whatever. I
01:33:09
don't know.
01:33:10
>> [ __ ] That's going to be the most
01:33:11
heartbreaking thing. E like when they're
01:33:12
in their like late teens, early 20s and
01:33:14
you want to pick up the phone and talk
01:33:15
to them. You're like, "Oh, I'll give
01:33:16
them their space. I won't bother them."
01:33:18
>> It's all part of it.
01:33:19
>> Where you feel like you're being used. I
01:33:20
mean, ask me in 10 years I might be
01:33:22
like, "Fuck it."
01:33:24
>> Yeah.
01:33:25
>> I think that's the thing like this
01:33:27
little dog that's sitting in the corner
01:33:28
and you would have found this the same
01:33:29
with your dog. It's like a kid that
01:33:30
never does anything to piss you off.
01:33:32
>> Um, but I think it's the natural
01:33:33
progression of life. Like your kids will
01:33:35
do things to piss you off. So, you need
01:33:36
that sort of
01:33:37
>> They definitely do things to piss us
01:33:38
off. Don't get us wrong.
01:33:39
>> But it's funny, you can be so worn out
01:33:42
and tired and all of that [ __ ] and be
01:33:44
like, "Fuck, we need to go out where
01:33:46
it's just us. Have our own time." And
01:33:48
then you go out and the first thing you
01:33:49
[ __ ] do is start looking at photos of
01:33:51
them or like talking about them or
01:33:53
talking to other parents sharing the
01:33:55
exact same stories. It's bizarre.
01:33:57
>> Um and while these two boys have been
01:34:00
growing up um alongside that like um
01:34:03
sort of in the sideline really has been
01:34:04
um the mental health journey that you've
01:34:06
been on. Um the mental health stuff and
01:34:09
what you've learned about that has that
01:34:11
changed your parenting style at all?
01:34:13
>> Yeah.
01:34:14
>> Yeah.
01:34:14
>> Yeah. How so? um
01:34:18
just a greater awareness of it and
01:34:19
>> yeah well
01:34:23
yeah I reckon that's where that fear
01:34:25
comes from cuz I'd never want them to
01:34:27
not be able to ask for help if they
01:34:28
needed it. M
01:34:29
>> I'd never want them to go through uh
01:34:33
Yeah. I'd never I'd never want them to
01:34:36
go through things where they ever where
01:34:39
that was ever ever a consideration
01:34:43
>> cuz I've had obviously uh people close
01:34:46
to me and in my family and stuff that
01:34:47
have taken their life
01:34:49
>> and yeah the thought of it is really
01:34:52
scary if uh if anything like that
01:34:54
happened to them. So upon us doing heaps
01:34:57
of it uh at work and all of that and in
01:35:00
the show and then having the kids. Yeah,
01:35:02
I think it's me and Sharon have been
01:35:04
really um
01:35:08
strong in our hope that we talk feelings
01:35:11
that again that's another great trait of
01:35:13
Sharon like she's always trying to get
01:35:14
them to say how they're feeling and if
01:35:16
people are making you feel a certain way
01:35:17
to be able to communicate it and
01:35:20
>> um so we're trying to teach it from a
01:35:21
really early age
01:35:23
>> and I'm sure Sharon will be really like
01:35:26
I will be really thorough in
01:35:30
trying to show them vulnerability like
01:35:31
I've cried a bunch times in front of the
01:35:33
boys um
01:35:36
which you probably wouldn't have seen
01:35:37
when you're growing up with our
01:35:38
generation
01:35:40
parents and
01:35:41
>> even discouraged from crying
01:35:43
>> you saw it maybe once when their parents
01:35:45
passed or something like that you know
01:35:46
so
01:35:48
>> yeah I want to and always we always tell
01:35:50
them crying's good and all of that sort
01:35:53
of stuff like
01:35:55
>> see it's definitely changed and shaped
01:35:58
how I will parent
01:36:00
>> I reckon
01:36:01
>> that's Oh yeah, that's
01:36:03
>> it's scary though, man. It's scary cuz
01:36:05
you can never Well,
01:36:08
cuz like it's just it's a um
01:36:13
I don't know. You can't control you
01:36:15
can't control people's brains. You can
01:36:16
have
01:36:17
>> hopes for how their brains treat them,
01:36:19
but everybody's brain treats them
01:36:20
differently. And
01:36:22
>> uh so many times you can think that
01:36:26
people are going all right and they're
01:36:28
not going all right and you'd never
01:36:29
know. And people have great ways of
01:36:31
doing different coping mechanisms and
01:36:34
>> telling people what they want to hear
01:36:35
and all that sort of stuff and you just
01:36:38
never really know. And that's that
01:36:40
scares me.
01:36:41
>> Yeah. It's [ __ ] Eh, it's [ __ ] And
01:36:42
I know not just my boys, that's for
01:36:45
anyone, you know, like it's
01:36:47
>> it's a scary concept that never never
01:36:50
gets any better in this country.
01:36:52
>> If anything, it always
01:36:53
>> continually gets worse to some degree.
01:36:56
>> Yeah. Um, you know, I know Sh, you know,
01:36:59
I actually both yours and Sharon, um,
01:37:01
you, you know, your life was tipped
01:37:02
upside down at the beginning of this
01:37:03
year with like a close friend of hers.
01:37:06
Wonderful, wonderful [ __ ] woman.
01:37:07
>> Yeah.
01:37:08
>> Um, it's hard though because everyone,
01:37:10
it feels like everyone knows that it's
01:37:11
not weak to speak and it's okay to talk
01:37:13
and you can talk.
01:37:14
>> Yeah.
01:37:16
>> I don't know. I don't know what the
01:37:17
solution is there.
01:37:18
>> No, neither.
01:37:18
>> I don't know. But I I think
01:37:19
>> it's not as easy as a solution either.
01:37:21
>> Yeah. And and if if simple solution,
01:37:23
>> if your previous 100 days have been
01:37:25
[ __ ] [ __ ] and today's [ __ ] you think
01:37:27
tomorrow is going to be [ __ ] as well. So
01:37:29
sometimes it can seem like there's no
01:37:30
light at the end of the tunnel.
01:37:31
>> Totally. It can seem like the storm's
01:37:32
not going to, you know, not going to
01:37:34
pass, but then it always does. And but
01:37:36
then there's different degrees to it
01:37:37
too, you know, like not every not one
01:37:40
person that takes their life is the same
01:37:42
for the same reason that the last person
01:37:44
did, you know, like you know, people
01:37:46
that are just brutally mentally um
01:37:50
unwell. And that's different to someone
01:37:53
who's just in a bad state of depression
01:37:56
who doesn't feel like it's ever going to
01:37:57
get better.
01:37:58
>> There's people that are great people but
01:38:01
feel like they're massive. The one thing
01:38:02
I've noticed with all the stories we've
01:38:04
had and people I've spoken to because my
01:38:06
DMs get flooded um with all sorts of
01:38:10
different stories. Some of them being
01:38:11
like great stories of how you know
01:38:13
whatever that something might have done
01:38:15
might have helped or got them to chat or
01:38:17
then there's other people like I'm in it
01:38:18
right now or my mates's in it. And so
01:38:21
often something that comes through heaps
01:38:23
is people feeling like a burden. M.
01:38:26
>> So, I don't know whether that's
01:38:27
something that we put on our kids or we
01:38:30
put on ourselves or or whatever from a
01:38:33
young age that
01:38:35
people have too big a sense of um
01:38:38
responsibility.
01:38:40
>> That's where that burden comes from. I'm
01:38:42
not sure, but that's a real common theme
01:38:44
that I've noticed. And these great
01:38:46
people that do so many great things and
01:38:48
people love so much ultimately think
01:38:51
it's for the best. And it's like, [ __ ]
01:38:53
you couldn't be more wrong. Right.
01:38:55
>> No. And you
01:38:56
>> never and you never got the chance to
01:38:57
tell them like you're so wrong.
01:39:00
>> Yeah. You don't understand the and the
01:39:02
ripple effect it leaves not just with
01:39:03
their immediate circle but it just goes
01:39:05
out so wide.
01:39:07
>> So I've I've worked out too the other
01:39:08
thing I've worked out is the pain that
01:39:11
they're in
01:39:14
like if you've got a big um say you're
01:39:17
at the casino and you've won all these
01:39:19
chips and all those chips represent the
01:39:22
pain that those people are in. Once they
01:39:25
commit uh that act, all that pain just
01:39:29
gets
01:39:30
>> [ __ ] dished out to all their friends
01:39:32
and family.
01:39:32
>> Yeah.
01:39:33
>> Like that's how it is. So the pain
01:39:35
they're in,
01:39:36
>> there's ends, but it gets given to those
01:39:40
closest to them and it lasts forever.
01:39:42
It's not a thing that could pass or does
01:39:44
pass
01:39:45
>> for the people in and around them. It
01:39:46
lasts forever. you know like I still
01:39:48
it's still brutal on on our family even
01:39:50
like
01:39:53
21 years later you know like not with
01:39:56
other friends who are at different
01:39:57
stages along with people in their lives
01:39:59
it's yeah it's forever
01:40:01
>> so you personally how's your mental
01:40:03
health been
01:40:04
>> I I I think all right but then I don't
01:40:06
know like I sometimes you can't answer
01:40:08
your own questions um
01:40:12
I'm I don't want to choose my words
01:40:13
carefully I mean luck doesn't have
01:40:16
anything to do with I guess I'm
01:40:18
fortunate that I've never really
01:40:21
suffered any bad depression. Um, which a
01:40:24
lot of people close to me have at
01:40:25
different times for whatever reason.
01:40:28
I've had definitely times where I've
01:40:30
been in better headspaces than others.
01:40:33
Um,
01:40:35
I can get a little bit of anxiety, but
01:40:37
nothing like what Sharon will get really
01:40:39
bad anxiety. Um, which is horrible. It's
01:40:41
horrible to watch. Um,
01:40:45
yeah. I I could definitely be I could
01:40:47
definitely do more and be better. I
01:40:49
definitely still sometimes
01:40:52
let things
01:40:54
uh build up without communicating them
01:40:57
or dealing with them or or whatever.
01:41:00
Whether that be small frustrations with
01:41:02
all sorts of things or messages that I'm
01:41:04
getting or the way I'm feeling about
01:41:07
things. Exercise and stuff helps me
01:41:09
heaps. Um, exercise is a great thing for
01:41:12
me or golf or seeing my mates or
01:41:16
whatever it may be.
01:41:17
>> As long as I do some form of ali if I do
01:41:19
nothing then I can just become I'll get
01:41:21
real grumpy and I know I know when I'm
01:41:23
grumpy
01:41:25
>> that I'm not
01:41:26
>> good upstairs.
01:41:28
>> I'm the same. I'm the same. If I start
01:41:30
getting angry irrationally. Yeah. Um
01:41:33
>> yeah, that's when I know
01:41:34
>> like if I'm even even little things like
01:41:36
say I'm waiting to pay at a restaurant
01:41:37
and the person in front of me is like
01:41:39
questioning every item on the menu and
01:41:40
I'm standing there going for [ __ ]
01:41:41
sake.
01:41:42
>> It's like I'm I'm able to take a bird's
01:41:44
eye view and go, "Okay, your mental
01:41:47
health isn't where it needs to be right
01:41:48
now. This shouldn't be bothering you at
01:41:51
all."
01:41:51
>> I'll always feel better after I've done
01:41:52
that exercise. Yeah, that's right.
01:41:55
>> Yeah.
01:41:57
>> I think it's all right. That's that's an
01:41:58
interesting thing about you. So there's
01:42:00
there's yeah there's um there's people
01:42:01
that have done huge amounts publicly for
01:42:03
mental health like uh Sir John Cerwin,
01:42:05
Mike King, and they both ended up in
01:42:07
that space as a result of um suffering
01:42:10
brutal depression themselves. You you
01:42:12
haven't suffered it, you've just
01:42:13
experienced it as a like a third party.
01:42:15
>> Yeah.
01:42:16
>> And now you've become this ambassador
01:42:18
for lack of a better term.
01:42:19
>> Yeah.
01:42:20
>> So it started when when when you were at
01:42:21
school.
01:42:22
>> My first experience of it uh was a mate
01:42:26
Aaron French. He took his life when we
01:42:27
were 16. Um, and Aaron was like my best
01:42:31
mate when I was growing up. And I had
01:42:33
moved to Wellington from Oakland. And I
01:42:35
remember getting called by one of my
01:42:36
mates in Wellington. Um, that that had
01:42:38
happened. And
01:42:40
yeah, he's cool sister who I every now
01:42:43
and then have seen. U, but I
01:42:47
know her, she knows me. Her mom, his
01:42:49
mom, Thelma was this awesome lady. and
01:42:51
she actually started the um the yellow
01:42:55
yellow yellow ribbon trust. I want to
01:42:57
get the right color ribbon. I think it's
01:42:58
yellow ribbon. There was the first sort
01:43:00
of suicide um awareness group really
01:43:03
advocate and they were the first ones
01:43:04
who did the first fight for lives. Um
01:43:07
but his mom inspired that um to make
01:43:11
sure it didn't happen to any other
01:43:12
family. Um so that was my first
01:43:15
experience. Uh and then when in 2004
01:43:20
um my sister's husband took his life and
01:43:24
uh and yeah that was super brutal. Uh
01:43:28
>> you know 2 and a halfyear-old son at the
01:43:30
time my nephew and I've never seen grief
01:43:33
like it like
01:43:35
>> yeah heinenous. Like you wouldn't wish
01:43:37
it on the person you hated the most.
01:43:41
>> Like it's it's horrific suffering. And
01:43:44
then uh so that was huge. And then since
01:43:47
then, I mean, we've obviously we've
01:43:50
known mutual people. Um
01:43:53
>> another friend of the the one who
01:43:55
inspired it on the show was a friend
01:43:57
Timmy Hutchkins. Um
01:44:00
>> a good old mate, good old dirt bag mate.
01:44:02
And he um he took his life in 2017.
01:44:09
Little girl as well at the time. And um
01:44:12
yeah, everyone knew Timmy. Everyone
01:44:13
loved Timmy. life of the party, all of
01:44:14
that sort of stuff. Um, uh, and yeah,
01:44:18
the whole he was the genesis of it
01:44:20
really on the on the radio because it
01:44:21
was, um,
01:44:23
uh, that morning that I was going to his
01:44:25
funeral and I'd asked Brad, our boss,
01:44:26
and asked Ro and that I was like, I'm
01:44:28
going to this funeral, site seems to be
01:44:30
this thing that's happened a couple of
01:44:31
times in my life and it sucks. Um, I
01:44:36
realized we had such a big male audience
01:44:38
and I just said, I reckon that's a good
01:44:40
opportunity for me to just write down
01:44:42
I'll prepare it. so I don't ramble.
01:44:45
Like, do you mind if I prepare this
01:44:47
little thing saying it sucks and if
01:44:48
you're battling um you know, essentially
01:44:51
go and see someone? And Brad was all for
01:44:53
it to his credit. Um, of course he was,
01:44:55
but you know, some bosses might not be
01:44:57
might not want to bring the buzz down,
01:44:59
you know, on a breakfast radio show.
01:45:01
>> Yeah. Well, it was new. It's very new at
01:45:03
the time. It was unheard of.
01:45:04
>> And Raj was the same. He was like,
01:45:06
"Yeah, mate. Good idea." Um, and then so
01:45:09
yeah, did it and it got the biggest
01:45:11
response to anything we've ever done.
01:45:13
Like because I think the video got put
01:45:15
up afterwards as well, but it was
01:45:17
immense the amount of people that it hit
01:45:19
with. And so straight away we all
01:45:21
realized we're like, "Oh yeah, well this
01:45:23
is I became really aware, instantly
01:45:26
aware of the importance of the platform
01:45:29
that we had um and the privilege that I
01:45:33
brought with it. But then it became a
01:45:34
thing of trying to um balance it cuz you
01:45:39
still wanted to do your show and be
01:45:40
yourself,
01:45:41
>> give people a laugh.
01:45:42
>> You couldn't do it every break.
01:45:44
>> But that um that that moment there, I
01:45:47
mean, it's easy to look at this with um
01:45:48
eight years of hindsight, but it sort of
01:45:50
changed in a small degree, I guess, the
01:45:53
the course of that radio station.
01:45:55
>> Yep.
01:45:55
>> Like it it really it like gave gave this
01:45:57
radio station a heart.
01:45:58
>> Yeah.
01:46:00
>> It also showed Yeah. And that's to their
01:46:02
credit, too. Like, you know, like all
01:46:04
the big bosses didn't try and dampen it
01:46:07
or lessen it.
01:46:09
>> Our immediate boss, Brad, was super
01:46:11
supportive. Um, all the other shows and
01:46:14
people bought into it, you know, whether
01:46:16
that be Jay and Dunk or whoever it was
01:46:18
that, you know, in the afternoon show
01:46:19
was doing it. Everybody was a part of
01:46:20
it. Um, but mostly and most importantly,
01:46:24
was our audience. Like, it was super
01:46:25
important to the every radio station
01:46:28
says their listeners are the best,
01:46:30
right? you know, like and every radio
01:46:31
station says they're number one. Like
01:46:32
it's a classic old gag. Every radio
01:46:34
show's number one depending on somewhere
01:46:37
somehow that you look at.
01:46:39
>> But I and I'm not just saying it, but I
01:46:41
I really genuinely know the Rumble and
01:46:44
the Rock audience
01:46:47
are pretty special. Like the way that
01:46:49
they've got behind everything that we've
01:46:51
done, the way they've looked after each
01:46:53
other in those communities.
01:46:56
Yeah, it's been it's been pretty unreal
01:46:58
to watch.
01:46:59
>> Yes. In terms of fundraisers to do with
01:47:01
it, how much have you raised? Like a
01:47:02
million bucks.
01:47:02
>> 1.3.
01:47:03
>> 1.3. Wow.
01:47:05
>> Yeah.
01:47:05
>> So, there's been there's been the kids
01:47:07
book last year, Tummy Rumble in the
01:47:08
Jungle.
01:47:08
>> Couple years ago, kids book. Yep. Tummy
01:47:10
Rumble in the Jungle.
01:47:11
>> Which sold like 20,000 copies.
01:47:13
>> Yeah. That's Yeah. Big book company
01:47:15
turned us down. Said that it's not a
01:47:17
good idea for a book. A fart book. I was
01:47:18
like, it's a [ __ ] great idea for a
01:47:20
book. Like, what kid doesn't love a fart
01:47:22
book? They're like, we don't see it
01:47:24
covering costs. So, we ended up having
01:47:26
to do it ourselves, which worked out
01:47:30
spectacularly because then like I think
01:47:33
like $16 from every $20 book got to go
01:47:36
to Gumbbert Friday and we sold 21,000
01:47:40
copies. And so that was 346,000 that
01:47:43
went straight to uh Gumbbert Friday.
01:47:46
>> Unreal. And there's there's the um the
01:47:48
darts marathon, day on the darts.
01:47:49
>> Two two different darts ones. One was a
01:47:51
day on the darts, 24 hours of darts. I
01:47:53
think that raised like 250 odd thousand.
01:47:57
The next year we did a day and a bit on
01:47:59
the darts which was um 30 hours and I
01:48:02
think that was like another 300 odd. Um
01:48:06
started off with the bowling. Uh we did
01:48:08
the bowling in 2019. That was the first
01:48:10
of them. That's still probably the most
01:48:12
important thing we've ever done. Uh that
01:48:14
was 58 hours of tempon bowling and that
01:48:17
was each minute represented a Kiwi that
01:48:20
had tried to take their life the year
01:48:22
before. It was like 6 and a half
01:48:23
thousand minutes.
01:48:24
>> And so that was how we sort of worded it
01:48:26
>> cuz a few years ago early on I they had
01:48:29
got me to try and bowl for 58 hours.
01:48:32
>> Oh, was that the Cure Kids one? Was that
01:48:33
a Cure Kids?
01:48:34
>> I did it twice.
01:48:36
>> 2014.
01:48:37
>> You don't learn, do you?
01:48:38
>> 200 Well, like I said earlier, yeah,
01:48:40
2014 I did it for Cure Kids. That was I
01:48:43
think we raised our 80K for Cure Kids.
01:48:46
But we did it in 2014 cuz it was 10
01:48:47
years on from 2004 when I first did it.
01:48:50
And that was for Nick and Raj. the
01:48:52
breakfast show at the time and that was
01:48:53
[ __ ] that was just to fill a few breaks
01:48:55
essentially. Um it was to try and get a
01:48:57
Guinness World Record which was at 58
01:49:00
hours and I got real close. I got like
01:49:02
hours out
01:49:03
>> anyway and uh so yeah it was 20 years on
01:49:06
or no sorry 15 years on in 2019 when we
01:49:08
did it and it worked out perfectly with
01:49:11
the numbers of
01:49:13
>> yeah the 6 and a half thousand attempts
01:49:15
>> or three and a half thousand maybe it's
01:49:18
>> [ __ ] sleep deprivation is the worst
01:49:20
though. It's the worst. It's terrible.
01:49:21
>> Her horrific.
01:49:22
>> Yeah. I I I was in terrible states in
01:49:25
that.
01:49:26
>> Yeah. There's a real powerful photo. I
01:49:27
think it's um actually there might be a
01:49:29
couple. I think there's one of you and
01:49:30
Sharon hugging and there's one of you
01:49:31
and you and um Andrew Mulligan um having
01:49:33
a hug as well and you look like a broken
01:49:35
man.
01:49:36
>> Yeah, I was. Yeah. He'd just come and
01:49:38
comfort me.
01:49:38
>> Yeah.
01:49:39
>> I'd just start crying. I had no control
01:49:40
over it. Your emotions would just Yeah.
01:49:42
I just didn't want to do it anymore. Had
01:49:44
this counselor come along. He was really
01:49:45
important. He was about 30 hours into
01:49:47
it. I was like, I cannot go for another
01:49:49
28 hours. like and he was like, "Why are
01:49:52
you doing this?" And he was [ __ ] me
01:49:53
off cuz he was just right in my face,
01:49:55
you know, when you're tired. He's like,
01:49:57
"Why are you doing it, bro?" And I was
01:49:58
like, "Fuck, mate. Like, it's [ __ ]
01:49:59
obvious why I'm doing it. Like, we're
01:50:01
raising money for Gumb Friday." He's
01:50:03
like, "Yeah, I know that's the end
01:50:05
result." He's like, "But why are you
01:50:06
doing it?" And uh I remember being like,
01:50:08
"What is this [ __ ] talking about?"
01:50:10
And then he's like, "Why'd you come up
01:50:14
with this in the first place?" And I was
01:50:16
like, "It's for suicide." He's like,
01:50:18
"Why?" He's like, "Because I don't want
01:50:20
people to do it." He's like, "What do
01:50:21
you not want them to do?" I was like, "I
01:50:23
don't want them to give up." And he's
01:50:25
like, "Then that's what you got to do,
01:50:26
not give up." He's like, "Just keep
01:50:28
thinking of that the whole time." He's
01:50:30
like, "Five Friday will come around. And
01:50:33
if you gave up now, when that 5:00 p.m.
01:50:36
comes on the Friday, you'll be
01:50:38
disappointed that you didn't stay doing
01:50:40
it." And I was like, "Fuck you.
01:50:43
>> You're right. Damn it.
01:50:44
>> [ __ ] you. You're right." And he was
01:50:47
right. But it was important.
01:50:50
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's a real powerful
01:50:51
metaphor in there, isn't there?
01:50:53
>> Yeah. Not giving up. And and like he was
01:50:56
right when 5:00 p.m. came around a
01:50:58
moment that I thought was never going to
01:50:59
come and was impossible. When it hit, I
01:51:02
was euphoric.
01:51:03
>> I was skulling a bear. I was like, you
01:51:07
know,
01:51:07
>> suddenly you don't feel like asleep
01:51:09
anymore.
01:51:09
>> No way. I actually took ages to go to
01:51:11
sleep after that. I was I was in my I
01:51:13
was in this hotel room by myself just
01:51:15
having a couple of beers going, wonder
01:51:16
what people are doing. remember texting
01:51:18
a mate and he's like, "Go to sleep,
01:51:20
bro." Like [ __ ] no one's coming to
01:51:22
see you. Go to sleep.
01:51:23
>> Yeah.
01:51:24
>> But putting yourself in in this position
01:51:26
and doing these things and becoming this
01:51:28
um sort of spokesperson, like what sort
01:51:30
of toll has that taken on you
01:51:31
personally? I'm guessing you get
01:51:32
inundated with all these um uh really
01:51:35
important DMs.
01:51:36
>> Yep.
01:51:36
>> Um and you're not trained to deal with
01:51:38
them. You they sort of deserve your
01:51:40
priority or attention.
01:51:42
>> Y don't know how to respond to them all.
01:51:44
Sometimes I'll just sort of do I don't I
01:51:46
started early on. I'd reply to everyone,
01:51:48
but I can't do that now because I don't
01:51:51
have the right answers for everything.
01:51:53
Um, and so I'll sort of I'll address it
01:51:56
every now and then by doing sort of like
01:51:58
a a post or a story in and around the
01:52:01
messages. Uh, and I'll reference them on
01:52:03
the show and that sort of stuff. But
01:52:06
yeah, I get heaps of heavy [ __ ] man. I
01:52:07
get people coming up at it's at concerts
01:52:10
where I get it the most. But it's a
01:52:12
strange thing because it's I've I've
01:52:14
also welcomed it and asked for it.
01:52:16
>> So I can't be sort of off it.
01:52:20
Um but I also don't always know what to
01:52:22
say or do. Like I and it's a great it's
01:52:25
a privilege cuz people are coming up and
01:52:28
being vulnerable and telling you
01:52:30
things that are really important to
01:52:31
them,
01:52:33
which is what you've encouraged.
01:52:36
But it's also Yeah. It's quite a lot to
01:52:38
take on.
01:52:38
>> Yeah.
01:52:39
>> Yeah. Yeah, like you're getting told
01:52:41
super specific heavy details at times
01:52:44
where you're like
01:52:47
>> it's like I feel like Mike King there's
01:52:48
been times over the years where you've
01:52:50
seen him sort of like crashing and it's
01:52:51
100% we had too much well he came down
01:52:54
he had that massive breakdown on our
01:52:56
show.
01:52:57
>> Yeah, that's right.
01:52:58
>> I don't know if you recall it but like
01:52:59
he just
01:53:00
>> Yeah, he had a full full breakdown right
01:53:03
in front of us.
01:53:04
>> So it was it was horrible. What would
01:53:06
your message be to um your Kiwi men in
01:53:08
particular who are struggling but don't
01:53:10
know how to ask for help or don't know
01:53:11
where to begin?
01:53:17
Well, I reckon
01:53:20
first of all they'll do well to even
01:53:25
admit it and accept it that they are not
01:53:28
doing well. Too many people will try and
01:53:30
too many guys will try and lie to
01:53:32
themselves. um that back to that whole
01:53:34
burden factor of you've just got to keep
01:53:36
going.
01:53:37
>> But I think we're getting better at
01:53:39
being able to admit when we do need
01:53:42
help. And so when you do, you can, you
01:53:46
know, you can a lot of people will
01:53:48
message us and ask us that same
01:53:49
question. And we've got a bunch of
01:53:51
people to send back as lines of hope. Um
01:53:55
it's talking to different people. It's
01:53:57
telling people that you trust. Um, which
01:53:59
can feel like a really probably silly or
01:54:01
stupid thing to do. You know, if you get
01:54:02
bad responses from people in the first
01:54:04
place of being like, "Fuck, you'll be
01:54:05
right, bro." Like, or I've got this
01:54:07
going on. It's [ __ ] way worse than
01:54:09
what you're going on. Well, they're not
01:54:10
the person to talk to, you know? Like,
01:54:13
>> I also think talking to people that
01:54:15
might not be the closest people is might
01:54:17
work for you, you know? Like, say your
01:54:19
best mate is also [ __ ] at communicating.
01:54:22
Like, that's not your mate's fault. He's
01:54:23
just [ __ ] at communicating.
01:54:25
>> He's not He's not trained.
01:54:26
>> It's not his fault either, you know?
01:54:27
Like it might be someone at work, an
01:54:30
intelligent person at work or whatever,
01:54:32
you know, or a family friend or
01:54:36
Yeah. Just trying like don't
01:54:40
>> don't not try.
01:54:41
>> I just don't think people realize
01:54:45
how many people really care.
01:54:49
They just don't know. They just really
01:54:51
don't realize how important
01:54:53
>> people how people don't realize how
01:54:55
important they are.
01:54:56
>> Yeah. Yeah. And just
01:54:57
>> because also we live in the Yeah. And
01:54:58
how dev and we live in this life of
01:55:00
like,
01:55:02
>> you know, you see everything on
01:55:03
Instagram. You see [ __ ] great people
01:55:05
doing cool things and no matter where
01:55:07
you are in life, there's always someone
01:55:08
doing cooler [ __ ] or better [ __ ] than
01:55:10
you. And so, you know, and so that must
01:55:13
be absolutely even quantified for
01:55:15
[ __ ] average Joe, you know, I imagine
01:55:18
in this day and time. Like,
01:55:21
>> and that could add pressure to you.
01:55:22
Like, so you could feel less important
01:55:24
than what you are, I imagine. Um,
01:55:28
>> coupled with everything else, like
01:55:30
>> Yeah, it's tough, man.
01:55:32
>> Yeah, life is tough.
01:55:33
>> Life's tough for a lot of people.
01:55:35
>> What about you? What What would your
01:55:36
personal like rock bottom be? Would it
01:55:38
be the the fertility stuff,
01:55:42
the
01:55:43
>> I suppose at the time the arrest thing,
01:55:45
the pilot thing must
01:55:46
>> That's [ __ ] all.
01:55:47
>> Yeah. Really?
01:55:48
>> Yeah. It was it was important at the
01:55:50
time, but it was it was nothing.
01:55:53
>> Yeah. You look back with 5 years of
01:55:54
>> Yeah. It's nothing for you. Yeah.
01:55:58
>> Yeah. Rock bottom.
01:56:02
Rock bottom is is two things. Yeah. It's
01:56:06
It's Yeah. Seeing the grief in my family
01:56:10
uh with that loss of life and
01:56:13
>> Oh, with your sister's husband.
01:56:15
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. uh and seeing how that
01:56:17
what that did to my family. And then
01:56:19
obviously, yeah, losing
01:56:23
uh having miscarriages was a horrible
01:56:26
feeling.
01:56:27
>> Wouldn't I think it's sort of um I don't
01:56:30
know. I don't want anyone to ever have
01:56:32
that happen. Uh but I certainly don't
01:56:35
think it's maybe looked upon as
01:56:39
tragically as what they are for those
01:56:42
people that it affects cuz it happens
01:56:43
like one in four pregnancies or
01:56:45
something crazy. So it happens to people
01:56:46
all the time but it's really just
01:56:50
>> talked about well no and it's also
01:56:52
looked at as yeah they happen. They say,
01:56:55
"Well, yeah, I get they happen, but
01:56:56
they're also horrific,
01:56:58
>> you know, people's Yeah. devastating
01:57:01
people's dreams end and
01:57:03
>> all that sort of stuff." Yeah, they'd be
01:57:04
my two that I can think of.
01:57:06
>> Yeah.
01:57:06
>> Have you got better through this whole
01:57:08
mental health um journey with your
01:57:10
vulnerability with mates and or have you
01:57:12
always been pretty good with forcing the
01:57:16
conversations that are more than
01:57:17
superficial?
01:57:17
>> We've definitely got better, but I've
01:57:20
always been I've always loved my mates.
01:57:23
M
01:57:24
>> yeah I've become a better person like I
01:57:27
wasn't always a good person I reckon
01:57:28
like I definitely did some [ __ ] bag
01:57:30
things when I was teenager and all of
01:57:32
that sort of stuff like
01:57:34
so I reckon I've become a better person
01:57:36
I think well I try to be also not
01:57:38
obviously not perfect and all that stuff
01:57:40
but it's made me a better person I think
01:57:42
um it's funny how bad things can make
01:57:45
people better you know or
01:57:47
>> hard things uh but with in terms of my
01:57:51
mates I've always been uh a passionate
01:57:55
mate, I reckon. I wish I saw and spend
01:57:57
more time with my mates now than what I
01:57:58
do. But that's also life.
01:58:00
>> It's hard when you get older, right?
01:58:01
>> You know, I got to go to bed early every
01:58:03
night.
01:58:04
You know, you want then you've got your
01:58:06
own relationship and then you got your
01:58:08
boys and sometimes you're just like I
01:58:10
love nothing more than
01:58:12
[ __ ] doing nothing. M
01:58:14
>> it's like a nice little like once the
01:58:16
kids have gone to bed and you've got
01:58:17
this 2 or 3 hours of your own time like
01:58:20
it's a
01:58:21
>> well you've got a treat a highly
01:58:23
socially stimulated job you know so it's
01:58:26
understandable
01:58:27
>> yeah that's probably adds to it
01:58:28
>> okay to be in the piece
01:58:30
>> what's your um Mike King talks often
01:58:32
about his the inner critic what's your
01:58:35
inner voice in a critic like
01:58:37
>> um I don't know I think everybody
01:58:39
probably suffers a little bit at times
01:58:40
from that imposter syndrome thing that
01:58:42
gets talked Uh
01:58:46
>> my inner critic uh
01:58:48
>> like are you are you generally quite
01:58:49
nice to yourself?
01:58:51
>> I don't know. It's hard to answer that.
01:58:55
>> Um
01:58:57
I think so. Like uh I am I definitely am
01:59:01
sensitive like things that I might not
01:59:04
might not look like
01:59:07
hurt you or affect you would. I reckon
01:59:10
uh
01:59:11
>> I don't know I can be self quite
01:59:13
self-conscious at times different things
01:59:15
um
01:59:18
>> yeah
01:59:19
I mean yeah you definitely critique
01:59:21
yourself but I don't know I mean I guess
01:59:23
you just always wish you were better at
01:59:24
everything you did you wish you were
01:59:26
better in
01:59:27
>> your relationship you wish you were
01:59:29
better as a parent all those sorts of
01:59:30
things um but I but I don't
01:59:34
think I also I don't think I bag myself
01:59:37
heaps either
01:59:39
Yeah.
01:59:40
>> Well, I think that's a good
01:59:41
>> Definitely don't think I'm perfect by
01:59:42
any stretch, though. I don't walk around
01:59:43
like [ __ ] Yeah,
01:59:45
>> I'm done. No work. I'm done. I'm done.
01:59:47
>> What's on the to-do list?
01:59:49
>> Yeah. Yeah. Looks like we are good to go
01:59:51
here. Certainly not like that.
01:59:52
>> Well, I think I think that's good. Like,
01:59:54
if you're not if you're not flogging
01:59:55
yourself and beating yourself up, but
01:59:57
you're aware that there's still areas
01:59:58
that have room for improve, I think
01:59:59
that's a good space to be playing in.
02:00:01
>> Yeah, I think so. I think that's most
02:00:03
people though, isn't it?
02:00:04
>> Best and worst habits.
02:00:07
H best and worst habits.
02:00:09
>> I should have asked Sharon this one.
02:00:13
>> I don't know. Do you mean like around
02:00:15
the house? Do you mean
02:00:17
>> I don't know. You interpret that anyway
02:00:18
you want.
02:00:21
>> I don't know. Worst habits I probably
02:00:23
get grumpy more than I should.
02:00:24
>> Yeah.
02:00:25
>> Um like I spoke to earlier, I would say
02:00:28
I wish I didn't get but then you can't
02:00:30
be happy all the time as well. Um worst
02:00:32
habit again I would say phone doom
02:00:34
scrolling. I'm getting I'm finding
02:00:36
myself growing more and more tired of
02:00:37
that lately. Uh that's definitely a
02:00:39
thing. Um
02:00:43
worst habits.
02:00:46
>> I don't know. It's hard to think of
02:00:47
those on the spot. Uh
02:00:50
>> I'm sure Sharon has a lot of list of
02:00:51
things I do around the house that annoy
02:00:52
her greatly.
02:00:54
>> Yeah.
02:00:54
>> Breathing loudly. She hates the way I
02:00:56
breathe. She also hates the way you eat
02:00:57
apples.
02:00:58
>> She hates the way I eat. Hates that you
02:01:00
can hear me chewing. Um she can hear me
02:01:03
chewing when I eat. That's one.
02:01:05
>> But then she leaves she leaves [ __ ]
02:01:07
shoes everywhere, so she's not perfect.
02:01:09
>> Yeah.
02:01:09
>> Yeah.
02:01:10
>> Um that stuff's cute in relationships. I
02:01:12
remember by the time I left home, like
02:01:13
my dad had a like a clicking jaw and we
02:01:16
was living in quite a small house.
02:01:18
>> I could the noise just became so loud
02:01:20
like wherever I was in the house, I
02:01:21
could hear him eating his wheat bugs.
02:01:23
>> Yeah. Yeah. That would be I'm sure what
02:01:25
she says.
02:01:25
>> Yeah.
02:01:26
>> But nothing nothing
02:01:28
>> springs straight to mind of
02:01:31
>> best and worst habits.
02:01:32
>> Yeah. What about um regrets?
02:01:37
Um what do I regret?
02:01:47
Um uh I mean
02:01:51
well when me and Sharon were first
02:01:52
together for a little bit, we broke up
02:01:54
and I was a bit of a dick and that was
02:01:57
um Michael to break that up at that
02:02:00
time. I regret that because I know how
02:02:03
much like that hurt Sharon at the time
02:02:06
and so I don't like that I did that.
02:02:09
>> So I that would say I'd say that that
02:02:11
springs to mind. Um you never want to
02:02:13
hurt people that you love that sort of
02:02:14
stuff.
02:02:15
>> Um
02:02:16
>> I reckon she's probably forgiven you.
02:02:18
>> I don't know.
02:02:19
>> Actually, what am I saying?
02:02:22
>> Does it come up from time to time?
02:02:23
>> Maybe. Um no. No, she's good. Um
02:02:28
yeah, I I reckon I regret uh
02:02:32
yeah, you know, like as I say, like you
02:02:33
weren't always perfect. So there would
02:02:35
definitely would have been friendships
02:02:37
or um you know, [ __ ] if you got into
02:02:42
whatever whatever trouble or dumb [ __ ] I
02:02:44
did when I was in late teens or
02:02:46
whatever. I'm there would be things I
02:02:49
did that I regret for sure in terms of
02:02:51
maybe how I treated some people
02:02:53
>> um and wasn't mature or whatever at the
02:02:56
time to be better. Um trying to impress
02:02:59
other people.
02:03:01
>> Yeah. Sometimes you can regret trying to
02:03:04
do what you think you should do
02:03:05
>> instead of just knowing what's right in
02:03:07
the first place, you know.
02:03:08
>> Yeah.
02:03:10
>> Part of the learning experience though,
02:03:11
isn't it?
02:03:12
>> Yeah.
02:03:13
>> Yeah.
02:03:14
>> Oh, I forgot to talk about all the
02:03:15
awards you won as well.
02:03:16
There's so there's been um yeah two Kiwi
02:03:19
Bank local hero of the year awards for
02:03:21
the the mental health stuff and also you
02:03:24
in 2020 you won the um at the New
02:03:26
Zealand radio awards uh the poor sir
02:03:28
Paul Holmes award for overall
02:03:29
broadcaster of the year.
02:03:31
>> Yeah really swept under the rug that one
02:03:32
though cuz it was in co there was no
02:03:34
awards.
02:03:34
>> Oh there's no ceremony.
02:03:35
>> Never got to do a speech.
02:03:36
>> That's what I was Yeah. We were on a
02:03:38
live stream feel really ripped off with
02:03:40
that. Everyone had already shut it off
02:03:42
by then. [ __ ] yeah. The awards are done.
02:03:44
I didn't win. But do they um are they
02:03:46
special? They they mean a lot to you.
02:03:49
>> Uh
02:03:49
>> I've seen photos on your Instagram being
02:03:51
New Zealander of the year nomination
02:03:52
one. I mean that's cool cuz you know um
02:03:55
that means someone's nominated you and
02:03:58
but then that's also that those and I
02:04:00
was as I've always said which I mean
02:04:01
they're a big reflection of everything
02:04:03
the station and shows done. I get all
02:04:06
the accolades for the mental health
02:04:07
stuff, right? But the show like Mels and
02:04:09
them and Mel and Roger, I'm not just
02:04:13
saying it, but they're equally as big a
02:04:15
part because you wouldn't be able to do
02:04:17
it without them. Um, and their support.
02:04:20
So that I think that's a reflection of
02:04:22
them. So I am proud to get them. Um,
02:04:25
broadcaster year I was stoked with
02:04:26
because it gives you a sense of like I
02:04:30
fought so hard to get on the radio. like
02:04:32
I I was told no time and time again and
02:04:35
that I you know wasn't really going to
02:04:36
be good enough. I remember dad being
02:04:38
like mate I know that you got passion
02:04:39
but this isn't working buddy like you
02:04:42
know but I knew I was like nah [ __ ] I
02:04:44
know I can do this like I know I can and
02:04:47
so I really just bullied my way into
02:04:49
finally getting a job and then obviously
02:04:51
it's worked since. So that was for me a
02:04:53
real nice sense of cuz when I was first
02:04:56
trying to get a job my dad was making
02:04:58
olive oil he'd retired from banking he
02:04:59
was making olive oil village press. Um,
02:05:01
great plug there. Go get it. Um, they
02:05:03
were making it, right? And Paul Holmes
02:05:06
was getting it. He was making olive
02:05:08
growing olives and wanted to make his
02:05:09
own olive oil. So anyway, had dad come
02:05:12
around for a meeting at his house in
02:05:14
Romeer.
02:05:16
And I went with dad trying to do a whole
02:05:19
and dad was trying to get me into like
02:05:20
this is my son and he like he's just
02:05:21
finished radio training at radio and so
02:05:25
I remember meeting him at his house when
02:05:26
I was 20 like before I started at the
02:05:29
rock and I was like you and dad was like
02:05:31
Bryce here he wants to get into radio
02:05:33
have you got any advice for him he's
02:05:34
like don't do it I remember being like
02:05:37
he's like it's you know you're going to
02:05:39
have years of where you're not liking it
02:05:40
and all of that sort of stuff but he was
02:05:42
super lovely but so to win an award in
02:05:45
his came and I remember that and
02:05:46
obviously he's one of the goats. Yeah,
02:05:48
it was cool. Definitely proud.
02:05:49
>> Yeah. And and to to be like a like a
02:05:52
dude on a a rock station on a music
02:05:54
radio show that wins this award like
02:05:55
Heather Dupy Ellen won it this year. I
02:05:58
think Hosking wins it most. Yeah. It's
02:05:59
the highest
02:06:00
>> honor you can win in New Zealand radio.
02:06:03
And you you I've won it before, but I
02:06:05
won it as part of a team with um JJ Fen
02:06:08
and Mike Padu. But you're part of a team
02:06:09
and you won it as um
02:06:10
>> 2014 or something. You won that, didn't
02:06:12
you? Was it 2014? I think it was
02:06:13
>> first first year. It was first year that
02:06:15
they had this award so I didn't realize
02:06:16
what a big deal it was.
02:06:17
>> Yeah.
02:06:18
>> But you won it as an individual as part
02:06:19
of a team which is [ __ ] massive.
02:06:21
>> Yeah. Yep. Super proud of it. Yeah. It's
02:06:23
rad. Um
02:06:25
>> Yeah. Proud but it gives you
02:06:29
Yeah. sense of uh pride for sure.
02:06:32
>> Yeah. I feel like those were goats.
02:06:35
>> So you win this um heavy gold bar which
02:06:37
is in the shape of like a a speaker.
02:06:40
Where is that? Um, and Sharon's now put
02:06:42
it on uh in our bedroom. It did have a
02:06:47
real place of pride in our house next to
02:06:49
my record player and stuff. Uh, but
02:06:51
there were too many big gold awards. So,
02:06:53
she
02:06:53
>> Okay.
02:06:54
>> So, she's moved one of them that one
02:06:56
into my bedroom on my Duchess
02:06:58
>> cuz the gold awards you only went there
02:06:59
for the big categories at the radio just
02:07:02
get
02:07:02
>> where we were putting them. We ran out
02:07:04
of room
02:07:05
>> so she hasn't won many e
02:07:07
>> so she moved.
02:07:08
>> She She hasn't won many and her She
02:07:10
should have.
02:07:11
>> I know.
02:07:12
>> Uh she did win one though for a blackie.
02:07:14
She won a blackie, but she just let I
02:07:17
think uh Ben I think took that gold
02:07:20
statue or Jonno.
02:07:21
>> Well, cuz you get one per team.
02:07:22
>> Yeah.
02:07:23
>> So the too many gold bars you're talking
02:07:24
about pretty much they're mainly yours.
02:07:27
>> Uh well, no, they're Blackie. Some of
02:07:29
them are Blackey Awards. Another great
02:07:30
broadcaster, Kevin Black. No, I mean I
02:07:32
joke when I say that, but that's what
02:07:34
she has kept them off to the side for.
02:07:36
>> Yeah.
02:07:36
>> Yeah. Well, congratulations. That's
02:07:37
huge.
02:07:38
>> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. It must must have
02:07:39
felt really good. Like you were talking
02:07:40
before about your dad saying, "Mate, try
02:07:42
something else." Like I feel like um you
02:07:44
mentioned James Coleman earlier who was
02:07:46
like one of your idols when he was doing
02:07:47
the afternoon show at Channel Z.
02:07:49
>> James Coleman was always one of these
02:07:50
guys that had this like hum about him.
02:07:52
>> Yeah.
02:07:53
>> I feel like you're one of these guys.
02:07:54
This necessarily been like Bryce is
02:07:56
going to be the next big thing. You've
02:07:57
just like grind away, worked your
02:08:00
[ __ ] ass off,
02:08:01
>> kept your head down, and you've achieve
02:08:03
achieved wonderful things.
02:08:05
>> Yeah. Um Yeah. Well, thanks mate. Um, I
02:08:08
don't know. I Yeah, I have a great sense
02:08:10
of pride of trying to do a good job. I'm
02:08:12
I'm proud of what we've been able to
02:08:14
achieve in that space with mental
02:08:16
health, but I also I genuinely like
02:08:18
making people laugh. I like making
02:08:19
myself laugh. Like,
02:08:21
>> we laugh a lot in our show. Um,
02:08:24
and a lot of it super genuine, you know,
02:08:27
like. So,
02:08:28
>> yeah, that for me is pretty lucky and to
02:08:31
be able to do that. Yeah.
02:08:32
>> Well, if you're listening to your show,
02:08:34
say you're in the car with other people
02:08:35
and you have it on like at a gentle
02:08:37
volume in the background, you feel like
02:08:38
you're missing out on something that's
02:08:40
going on.
02:08:40
>> Well, that's great.
02:08:41
>> Those [ __ ] are having a lot of
02:08:42
fun.
02:08:42
>> That's a great compliment. That's
02:08:43
exactly what we try and do as a show. We
02:08:46
want that's the whole ethos of the show
02:08:47
is we want to be
02:08:49
>> the group at the pub that are having a
02:08:51
funny ass chat that you want to that
02:08:53
you're also welcome to join in and be
02:08:55
part of.
02:08:56
>> That's literally how we position
02:08:57
ourselves is how we want it to sound.
02:08:59
>> Yeah.
02:08:59
>> Yeah.
02:09:00
>> That's cool. So that's cool that you say
02:09:02
that.
02:09:02
>> How close are you to being the best
02:09:04
version of yourself?
02:09:05
>> Oh, good question.
02:09:10
H
02:09:14
probably probably still quite far away.
02:09:18
>> Seven out of 10, eight out of 10.
02:09:21
>> H
02:09:22
>> it's exciting thing about aging a that
02:09:24
you think cuz I would have thought by
02:09:25
the time I was um I'm 52 now. I would
02:09:27
have thought by the time I'm 50
02:09:29
everything was done. Everything you're
02:09:30
going to learn till you've maxed out.
02:09:32
>> Yeah. Well, when we were kids and
02:09:34
someone was 46, which I just turned, so
02:09:36
[ __ ] that dude's old ass.
02:09:38
>> He must know everything. You're
02:09:39
>> old, bro. And now I'm that old, bro. But
02:09:42
I don't feel 46.
02:09:44
>> No, I don't feel any like all he's at
02:09:46
work like 21, 22. And I'm like, I
02:09:49
literally could be their dads. It's like
02:09:51
that's so weird.
02:09:52
>> I don't feel 46, but I see that that
02:09:55
does like I don't feel 46. And
02:09:57
22-year-old was like, "You [ __ ] look
02:09:58
it." And I was like, "Oh, fuck."
02:10:02
>> And I I I reckon the older I get, the
02:10:05
more I realize that the less I know
02:10:06
about stuff. Whereas when I was in my
02:10:08
late 20s, I probably thought I knew just
02:10:10
about everything.
02:10:10
>> 100%. Yeah. Um, so out of 10, I don't
02:10:13
know, man. Maybe a
02:10:16
>> h
02:10:18
maybe a seven. Maybe.
02:10:21
>> I definitely
02:10:21
>> Not bad. I think you still you always
02:10:22
want to have that buffer of something.
02:10:24
>> Six and a half. Seven.
02:10:25
>> Yeah,
02:10:25
>> there are. No. Yeah. Six and a half.
02:10:27
There are many things I could be better
02:10:28
at. M
02:10:29
>> yeah.
02:10:29
>> But you you're someone that you'd want
02:10:31
to go and have a beer with?
02:10:33
>> Yeah. I like having a beer with mates.
02:10:35
>> No. No. With yourself like
02:10:37
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think so.
02:10:38
>> Yeah.
02:10:39
>> Yeah. Yes, I would be.
02:10:41
>> Yeah.
02:10:41
>> I think because um
02:10:45
>> I don't know. Like I feel like I am
02:10:48
someone who a loves to have a laugh like
02:10:50
which I do.
02:10:52
I reckon I'm a good listener.
02:10:55
>> Um
02:10:57
yeah. Yeah. And I like talking [ __ ] So,
02:10:59
>> I think they're they're a good combo of
02:11:01
three things.
02:11:02
>> Yeah.
02:11:02
>> Someone who can talk something sort of
02:11:03
serious can also pay each other out.
02:11:06
I've got I think I'm pretty good at
02:11:08
laughing at myself.
02:11:09
>> Yeah. I I'd have a beer with me.
02:11:12
Sometimes it is just me having a beer
02:11:13
with me. So, that's why that's easy to
02:11:15
answer.
02:11:16
>> And and um I I'm imagining you're the
02:11:18
person in your friend group that um
02:11:21
you're the safe space everyone can go to
02:11:22
for a vulnerable conversation. probably
02:11:26
maybe in these last few years for sure.
02:11:27
I go and MC this uh fishing event every
02:11:30
year. My mate Aaron owns Just Another
02:11:32
Fisherman, the clothing brand. He puts
02:11:34
on this um
02:11:36
>> uh fishing for men's mental health each
02:11:39
year. Anglers escape up north and uh
02:11:41
it's growing and growing and growing. I
02:11:43
see there like 140 um anglers at it and
02:11:46
I MC those nights and um yeah like
02:11:51
heaps of mates go on that and yeah
02:11:52
they'll all come up for for those sorts
02:11:54
of uh yarns and things like that and but
02:11:56
then tell me that they've been able to
02:11:58
have conversations with their mates that
02:12:00
they
02:12:01
didn't used to have and
02:12:04
>> it's amazing. It's like 140 guys that
02:12:06
are menly, you know, manly men, like
02:12:10
hunters as well. And it's so open the
02:12:13
chat of um being vulnerable and yeah, I
02:12:19
think I made the joke this year when I
02:12:20
was MCing up there. I was like, if you
02:12:21
know, I've been at the Rock 25 years. I
02:12:23
think I'd celebrated it that day and
02:12:24
then I drove up to MC it and I was like
02:12:26
if I you know had have been talking
02:12:28
about men's mental health and being
02:12:31
vulnerable and crying and um celebrating
02:12:33
that 25 years ago when I started if I
02:12:35
mced a fishing comp at the Funo fishing
02:12:38
comp I would have been [ __ ] what would
02:12:40
have been yelled at me you know like it
02:12:42
would have been some terrible homophobic
02:12:44
[ __ ] something would have been yelled at
02:12:46
me like
02:12:47
>> you'd never have been welcomed back your
02:12:49
boss probably would have been like what
02:12:50
the [ __ ] was that [ __ ] like and Now it's
02:12:54
encouraged, accepted,
02:12:56
>> appreciated,
02:12:58
>> people are right into it.
02:12:59
>> Yeah. Yeah. This is this is your legacy.
02:13:02
Whatever happens from here on in, this
02:13:03
is your legacy as like a broadcaster in
02:13:05
New Zealand.
02:13:06
>> I guess so. Yeah. Which I didn't intend
02:13:08
it to be.
02:13:10
>> It comes with a bit of responsibility, I
02:13:11
reckon, too, though. I I got to make
02:13:12
sure I don't [ __ ] it up.
02:13:14
>> Oh, you won't. You won't.
02:13:16
>> And last one. Three words that you'd
02:13:18
like um the family and friends to
02:13:19
describe you.
02:13:21
when the time comes.
02:13:25
Loyal.
02:13:26
>> Mhm.
02:13:31
Funny.
02:13:33
Um, loyal. Funny.
02:13:40
Loyal. Funny.
02:13:44
Genuine.
02:13:47
>> Yeah. [ __ ]
02:13:48
>> They're good words. Yeah, I reckon
02:13:50
they're them
02:13:51
>> loving all of those sorts of things. But
02:13:53
I think they all are byproducts of those
02:13:55
three things
02:13:56
>> and you feel like you're living in a way
02:13:58
with the words that they'd say
02:14:00
>> to the people that are closest to me.
02:14:01
Yeah.
02:14:02
>> Well, that's all that matters really,
02:14:03
isn't it?
02:14:03
>> Yeah.
02:14:05
>> This has been a great chat.
02:14:06
>> Time goes quick.
02:14:08
>> How are you tired? You did a breakfast
02:14:11
radio show this morning.
02:14:12
>> Yeah.
02:14:12
>> High energy. Then you finish on the air
02:14:14
and you sort of crash, have a post show
02:14:16
meeting or whatever. You came straight
02:14:18
here.
02:14:18
>> Then I started crying in here. That gets
02:14:20
you tired.
02:14:21
>> Yeah, I am. No, no, no, I'm not.
02:14:25
>> I enjoyed it.
02:14:26
>> Is it nice to reflect?
02:14:28
>> Yeah, it is. Cuz I wasn't sure. I knew a
02:14:30
couple of things might come up, but I
02:14:32
wasn't sure how the conversation would
02:14:33
be shaped as well.
02:14:35
>> Do a good job of uh of listening and
02:14:36
asking questions.
02:14:38
>> Yeah, it is good to reflect. It's also
02:14:40
good to have a think about things that
02:14:42
you know you need to think about
02:14:44
>> that I should put more thought into.
02:14:47
Well, I I appreciate the thought you
02:14:49
gave some of the answers before
02:14:50
answering.
02:14:52
>> Yeah. Well, I was hoping I wasn't
02:14:53
leaving you too long,
02:14:55
>> but you also don't want to say something
02:14:56
that isn't correct.
02:14:58
>> Yeah. Oh, no. I appreciate it. You're
02:15:00
you're a good bastard and I feel like
02:15:02
you just get better with age.
02:15:03
>> Yeah. Thanks, mate. Yeah. Um, as I say,
02:15:05
Yeah. Yeah. It's a funny thing. It's
02:15:07
funny thing in New Zealand. I've heard
02:15:08
you ask that with other guests as well.
02:15:10
You know, New Zealanders can be quite
02:15:11
hard at accepting praise or um whether
02:15:14
they're proud of themselves or whatever.
02:15:16
I know you've asked people that before.
02:15:17
Um
02:15:18
>> Oh, you normally end with that. Yeah.
02:15:19
Are you
02:15:21
>> I'm proud of who I've become.
02:15:24
>> Okay.
02:15:24
>> Yep. Yep. Proud of who I've become.
02:15:28
>> Awesome.
02:15:29
>> Yeah. Hope hope hopefully hopefully I
02:15:31
answer you the same way in 10 years.
02:15:34
>> Well, I think you're just going to be
02:15:36
getting better and better, aren't you?
02:15:37
>> Yeah. Hope so.
02:15:38
>> Like you're constantly like like you
02:15:39
said before, you're like a seven out of
02:15:41
10. So, there's still things you're
02:15:42
working on. So, you're just going to get
02:15:43
better and better.
02:15:44
>> Yeah. Like there's probably things
02:15:45
you're doing now and I'm hoping it's the
02:15:47
same for me that 10 years from now
02:15:48
you'll look back and go, "Oh, why did I
02:15:50
do that?"
02:15:51
>> Um, so yeah, constantly improving,
02:15:54
getting better.
02:15:55
>> Yeah, I hope so. Hopefully. Uh,
02:15:57
hopefully I'm someone you still want to
02:15:59
have a conversation with in 10 years.
02:16:00
>> 100%. Bryce Casey or Bryce Anthony Casey
02:16:04
as the New Zealand Herald called you in
02:16:05
2011.
02:16:06
>> Yeah. Dom Harvey, thank you mate.
02:16:08
Appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
02:16:10
Appreciate it. Thanks. Thank you.
