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phbe Harris welcome to my podcast thank you it's good to be here yeah this is
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the first time we've met although I've followed you on Instagram for a while so
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I feel like I I know you I and I I'm surprised to see you and and something other than swimwear yeah yeah no it's
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good to be here and I think I followed you back today's wife oh God I need to
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quickly follow you back before the podcast so who is Phoebe Harris so I am a swimmer from New Zealand I was
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originally born in England in Plymouth and I I moved over here when I was two with Mom and Dad and I've got four
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siblings and I grew a real passion for swimming it was more so just to benefit me could obviously like living on an
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island you kind of want to know how to swim could the all the drownings and stuff in New Zealand so that was like a
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main priority for Mom and Dad it was like okay Phoebe you got to learn how to swim and then it kind of grew a bit of a
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passion I was really scared to start competitive swimming I just wanted to do it for the fun but then there was a
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there was actually a coach that saw many oh I think you have like you know I think you've got a real what would you
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call it he just saw something in me with swimming and he just thought you know you should really give competitive
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swimming a try and then I okay you know and I ended up loving it so literally that's how my swimming Journey somewhat
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happened that's very short kind of brief description of it but literally yeah I'm
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a swimmer um I do a little bit of like social media I don't like to call it influencing because I'm not an
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influencer i I post about my passion for swimming and then just led into kind of
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all this other cool stuff but swimmer I like the gym um and somewhat influencer not really and oh you say you say
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somewhat an influencer but your numbers um on social media are staggering uh like if you compare say
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you but by the way um oh we'll get we'll get into that in a second but first of
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all your parents moving to New Zealand and teaching you to swim it's such a funny funny thing because I suppose if
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you're from another country you moved to New Zealand like one of the top reality
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shows here is literally pH rescue like a show based around people drowning at the
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beach yeah so it would be quite alarming so yeah what sort of age so you were two
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when you arrived the yeah so I was two when I arrived and then I would have started
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swimming gosh maybe when I was about 5 to 6 but it was such like casual stuff like one to two times a week and then I
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just kind of kept doing that just as a kid just for like Fitness and that and then
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eventually I or my parents moved all over the show so we first started in Wellington cuz they were obviously from
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England and the weather's a bit crap in England so they okay swe we're going to
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move to New Zealand super nice you know it's a great place to be and all that we
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moved to Wellington first mom and D like what the hell is this it is freezing it's windy like it's like we're back in
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the UK so then and then so my mom and my sister she went and they checked out Hawks Bay and they're like oh my gosh
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Hawks Bay looks beautiful we're like okay you know so then we move moved over
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there and then I grew up in like Hawks Bay and that's when I first started swimming um I can't remember the guy who
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coached me but I I just you know learned to swim and all that nothing really too
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cool but yeah and then I was in Hawks Bay for a bit and then gosh and then I think we moved to Wellington where I
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actually started swimming a bit more often I was probably about 7 7 to 8 I think but it was um and I swam at Ty
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swimming club it was my first ever Club I think people don't know that about me
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I actually started at to Swimming Club um and that's kind of where I got more
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into like competitive swimming but I was always like no no no I don't want to
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swim like didn't I didn't like the pressure and I was just a kid and I was
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playing around all the time and I just didn't you know want all that but no T
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swimming club is when I first started but yeah we my parents honestly I think I've lived in like 15 different houses
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or more just Mom and Dad could never settle dad would be like oh there's a new like something new and shiny oh
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there new job you know going oh yeah oh yeah we go for this and then Mom will be
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okay well you know we'll go we'll go check it out and stuff how's that as as
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a as a kid or at school age quite distressing uh honestly it wasn't too bad because all the moving was happening
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when I was in primary it wasn't so much when I was in intermediate or high school I feel like that's when like
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people can like Bully and all that it's kind of in those ages so I was kind of
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protected because I was within like a primary school age so honestly it was wasn't really too bad actually oh that's
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cool and and how how good are you so you're a you're a breast stroker yeah so
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like a longdistance breast stroker so it's so it started off as I was a like I
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think when you're swimming you try all different types of Strokes out so when I
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like let's just start it from when I was 12 years old I was a gosh I think I did
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backstroke I was a backstroker like now I can't even swim backstroke I'm
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terrible at it so I was backstroke the start and I did like a little bit of Sprint backstroke then when I moved it
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to my club and Orland I think one of the coach was oh let's get into distance
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freestyle that was a very painful time distance freestyle gosh well what's distance what mean over 200 over 400
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yeah like 800 I'd always be that like sad kid at the end of the me like waiting for my event and then it's when
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everyone kind of leaves the pool because it's like the distance events the boring
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events to watch back in obviously I wasn't very fast at it so but then so yeah honestly it was like distance
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freestyle and then I did a little little bit of like Open Water Swimming which was great fun actually and I actually
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was sponsored by Blue 70 for a little bit they're like the top like wet suit
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kind of brand so that was quite cool to get like funded with wet suits and that but yeah literally distance freestyle
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and then it moved to breast stroke distance breast stroke and then when I came to at the time PSC could obviously
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Club 37 now but it's was PSC before puka swimming club I turned into a Sprint
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breast stroker I blame my partner because he got me in into loving the gym and that's kind of where I put it on
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like put a bit more muscle on and that and wasn't as built for those distance
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event so it just got shorter and shorter now you can only get me swim one lap of
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breast troat which is 50 breasts and that's all I'd really do in the pool so
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so you you you blame your partner that's um Josh who's here today yeah yeah he's
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a swimmer as well yeah so Josh is a swimmer too and um yeah he he definitely got me more into the gym in that but I
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love the gym and it's been cool cuz I've been taking a big step back from
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swimming and I kind of needed something to preoccupy my time and you know I just
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I love the gym so I'm I'm thankful for it because it gave me more of a pathway
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Beyond swimming but I never used to love the gym so much so yeah because you seemed a little bit uncomfortable just
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before like referring to yourself as an influencer but um I mean you definitely have an entrepreneurial spirit and
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you've done very well for yourself like it seems like you're doing incredible
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stuff um you know on that side of things um you know out of the um probably financially better than most
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swimmers to be fair um but could like if you kept at it could you make the Olympics or Comm war games or are you
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not quite at that sort of I think like it was back in like 2019 I had like astounding swim and I was like on top of
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the like I was just on top of the world I was so happy and the Olympic dream kind of could I I think I took like
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honestly like six or seven seconds off one of my um best times in the 200 breast stroke and I was like yeah you
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know like Olympics you know I'm just going to do do that again and I qualify
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but I feel like when you get a little bit older you it's like a bit of a reality check and it's kind of like
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there's so much goes into swimming like the kid like the commitments you have to
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make and it's just like I have so much respect for people who make the Olympics
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because I know how much time and effort and the amount of time I would put into my swimming probably times up by 10
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that's like what you have to do to be the best so I kind of accepted that I wasn't going to be Olympian in probably
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2022 23 but I was like content and happy because I think a lot of people's dreams
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are to make the Olympics but mine wasn't really to make the Olympics I just especially my like last kind of years of
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swimming competitively it was just more so to have fun and have a good time and to better myself because I think we
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always have this like scale of swimming and it's like you either have to make
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the Olympics or you know you're not going to you you know you haven't achieved anything the sport but I feel
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like a very important thing is we come so far we don't stop to turn around and
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look at how far we've come I think of it like steps and you're walking at the
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steps and you're always looking above like what's next what's next but it's
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like oh my gosh like I have achieved so much in my swimming career so I was I was content and it honestly it doesn't
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phase me too much then I won't ever have the Olympic status but that's okay you
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know I'm fine with it so yeah it is I think it's like it's like the iceberg
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and people don't don't um see the um the bit that's under the water all the hard
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work that goes into it um just before we started I was talking to you and your partner about this and I just don't
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understand swimming like the amount of work that goes into it even for the you know the the like the school age levels
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you know you have thousands of kids that have their parents driving them to the pool at 4:00 a.m. 5: a.m. in the morning
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then they're doing a day at school so much work required yeah 100% it's hard
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and like I think now especially like giving back like Mom and Dad were well since I was like 12 mom and dad were
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always dropping me off at training at like 5:00 a.m. in the morning and just just doing everything for me and
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supporting and I know when my there was a situation my mom's sister unfortunately passed away this was
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probably about 2015 2016 but a lot of that kind of somewhat inherited money went towards my swimming because it was
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like Mom knew that would make her sister proud and that's one thing that I really
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cherish that like Mom did that for me so like right now it's like give back to
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mom and dad you know like give back for like all they've done to me and stuff so
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but honestly like the parent of swimming like credit to them because it's it's
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not easy but the only thing with parents is you cannot put too much pressure on your kids in swimming because it's just
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like especially like now being 22 all those swimmers with over kind of competitive and pushy parents none of
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them last in the sport and I I actually heard um Adam py actually amazing amazing swimmer he actually talked about
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that with like strict parents with swimming and it was just like you really you don't go as far as if you have
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loving you know supportive parents but I've seen all you know I've seen all of
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it through my career and that and it's just um you got to be supportive because
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it's enough pressure on it own God why why would parents be strict about it like if it was me I'd be like hey Phoebe
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if you don't want to go to the pool tomorrow morning at 5:00 that's cool we
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can sleep in God I wish I wish or else you use my use my phone take an Uber yeah yeah yeah oh gosh oh I wish my
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parents would like you know I'm there'd be times at 5:00 a.m. and they'd like
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come to um come into my bedroom like phebe it's training like oh no go away can my my old swimming group gosh it was
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strict it was you make eight sessions a week or you get three strikes and then you're out and it's just like and even
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if you're sick I remember my old swimming coach um honestly if even if I was sick and I would tell her she
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wouldn't believe me like she'd be disappointed that I'd text him oh hey
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I'm sick I can't make it like I was yeah it was a bit of a toxic relationship
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that one but it was um that's a eight awake so you're you're how old like
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secondary school so oh my so I would have been 13 and actually I was in intermediate year 8 and I was swimming
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eight times a week going to school so you'd wake up 5:00 a.m. you'd go swimming up until hop in the port 6 hop
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out at 7:45 then get to school at probably 8:15 p.m. a.m. sorry yeah gosh now I think about it now
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school from 9 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. back to training at for yeah gosh yeah were you falling asleep in class oh honestly
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especially in high school but I kind of like I was a bit of like the teacher pet
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like my Deputy um well we call them our Dean not like principal but they're like
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below little bit below a headed Department yeah yeah and they were um Mrs header actually she was cool and she
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was like amazing cuz she just like like understood like this the Troubles of swimming and that and then if I'd fall
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asleep in class the teacher would be like we're sending you to the de and I'd
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be like okay like that's all right and then I actually got I was doing five periods on year 1 my last year of school
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usually people do like five periods I was only doing four and then I got one study period when I'd get to go to the
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library so sometimes I'd just go home and not come back to school it was quite
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cheeky of me but I was like the school was actually pretty supportive with sing so and were you okay at school what what
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did you want to do what what were you what were your goals and aspirations when you're at school do you know I I
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didn't do bad at school but I was always kind of my brain thinks differently I'm
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not like the academic type you know I'd usually yeah you know I was good at we
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used do like Fabrics which is like sewing and that I would always do fabrics and make so many bloody pillows
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it's so funny but maths wasn't good at maths English I was all right but my
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spelling is atrocious still is so no I wasn't really the school type I kind of
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just always knew I wanted to be different and do different things and yeah I wasn't really the school type
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unfortunately so so when did social media sort of become a thing in your life uh you we'll we'll get into that
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now so um 343,000 followers on Tik Tok this is at the time we're recording this
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and one of those videos has 17 million views which is [ __ ] insane right it's
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a crazy number um and all that is is just you in your togs pushing yourself out of the pool and then sitting sitting
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on the edge you know the your bum's right there but you're wearing TOS you
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got swim with yeah um Instagram 182,000 followers you scroll through lots of lots of to and butt shots but again it's
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just swimming related yeah um what else is there oh March 2018 you had a post I'm happy because I just hit 10,000
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followers oh yeah oh wow was that in 2018 March 2018 so that was uh 6 years ago M so that's I suppose 10,000
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followers back then on Instagram was quite a lot of quite quite big yeah how old were you then what are 6 years ago
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gosh your current Cy meths when about what 16 15 kind of around that gosh 10,000 I think like so
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how I started social media was back when I was so it was when we first moved up to ockland when I was 12 like so my
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parents moved all over the show and stuff and I started swimming and I remember it was at my sister's wedding
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one of my sisters got married and we were in this like beautiful like venue in there and they had a really nice pool
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and my one of my Elder sisters I've got a lot of sister sisters with three sisters and um my sister Susie she took
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a photo of me and I was kind of in TOs and it was like I saw I was oh that's
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quite cool you know I quite like that and I was only like 12 at the time and that kind of like started the kind of
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passion for like taking photos and then literally just did that up until obviously now still doing it in that but
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it' always be a constant B for my mom because obviously I was like 13 but I was around a lot of older Summers so it
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kind of like didn't force me to grow up faster but it kind of make me I don't
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know when you're like 13 14 you do need to be careful what you're posting but
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constant battle with mom like take that down you know that's too runchy and all
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that and I oh Mom you know like oh but literally just started posting swimming and I think people followed me because I
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was swimming and I was doing something different cuz I think social media now it's so popular everyone's doing it but
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I think back when I started doing it no one was really doing that type of social
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media so you got a lot of stick for it like I got gosh my like my whole life like especially within swimming like I
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was going to talk about this a little bit but the swimming community was absolutely terrible to me when I was
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taking photos and togs and that and it was kind of like someone what was doing something different and it was oh you
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know like rip into her you know like bring her down because I was just being different and doing different stuff but
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it didn't stop me that I just kept doing it and I didn't listen to what they said
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but there would be some really really hurtful stuff and like um what age are we talking here like secondary scho AG
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14 15 like it was bad and like I remember I'd be like crying to Mom and just like but I I wasn't a mean person
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or anything it was just because I was people's perception and I still get this
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now was me on social media like that's what they thought I was like but I think
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when you meet me I'm completely different to what I portray on social media but I just think that swimming
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community back then when I was that age was so hurtful and I don't think but it
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was so fresh what I was doing people didn't know how to take it and it was just the only way to get my attention
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was to hat on me was instead of being positive like you know good on her you know don't expect them to bow down to me
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but you know like oh good on her for doing that like you know that's cool but
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gosh you yeah it's it's funny he because I suppose at that age like say 13 14 15
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or whatever I mean you're just a gill on TOS I suppose there is I don't maybe
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there is like a slight sexual element to it but that's more to do with people
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that are viewing it or how they view it than anything so I can understand your mom your reservations that's just or
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maybe even one of your senior coaches or whatever but everyone else it's just got
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to be jealousy right oh it was just like people just had no idea how to take it and it was just like it would actually
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put me off so much that I wouldn't even want to take photos like pide it's oh no
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like I really want to take this photo but it was like you just get so much [ __ ] and I was just oh God but
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especially like when I was younger too like obviously like the photos I take would be more runchy I'm not doing like
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super runchy stuff on Instagram but you know they would still they wouldn't they
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wouldn't be horrific but I understand like obviously young girl and like bikini and that but it was just God
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growing up just within swimming and that and it was just funny like people that would like hatle me and Bully me and
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honestly make my life a living hell I think I actually got like attacked in a warmup pool by Gil for no reason just
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because of probably because of social media I what what do you mean attack verbally or physically
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what happened I need to remember I swear she swam into me and then I was like like swam directly into me and I got
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like a big like cut on my nose but she knew exactly like who I was and like what she was doing and then um we
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actually after the swimming meat we had like a paintball game or something and you know when you finish paintball
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they're like um you know they're like stop or you know stop shooting and stuff
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she literally stood like I swear oh my gosh like 20 30 cm away from me and just boom boom boom with a paintball gun for
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no reason like I don't even know didn't even know who she was but just constantly just people like like Phoebe
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like bring it down on that and but what what I was going to say before was that there was um I'm not going to obviously
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drop names but you know people like post like being horrible to me and all that and like you know like literally
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commenting hate on my page and stuff but then you know a couple months later or something posting on the Facebook
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timeline about like suicide prevention I was just thinking it's great you're
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promoting that awareness but it was just like oh I just didn't I just the hypocrisy of it you can both ways I just
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was just like honestly I don't know what to call it but I was just like if you
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preach that then actually do it you know like but I just yeah again I look back and oh my gosh I would never relive
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those years but didn't stop me and now I'm just like it's all paid off [ __ ]
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they must hate you now this is before you were making money out of it and now you live a I yeah I follow you on
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Instagram you have a very very good life and you're doing very well for yourself
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thank you um and we've been we've been talking for 20 minutes like um and I I
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think me and anyone that's watching or listening to this will get the impression of who you are you're like
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you're you're a polite and lovely young woman you know it's what what kept you
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going why why did you keep why did you stick to your guns so what kept me going was so I exboyfriend now he was kind of
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like when I'd get a lot of hate he was very supportive and would always have my
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best so I think that honestly that genuinely helped shake my image now because I always had like that supporter
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and he was honestly anyone would be horrible to me he'd take them on so it was kind of oh bit of a relief like a
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bodyguard it was great but um honestly that I had a few good friends and I was never the popular type in swimming like
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I would only have a few friends could everyone that would make like New Zealand teams and that would have all
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these friends in there but I always had like a few little handpick mates that I'd talk to but um honestly a few few
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good friends obviously my partner at the time and then just family like was just
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the best like you just got to you got to have fixed skin but eventually as I just
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kept getting hate and all that I just kind of just you just eventually get immune to it and I think oh I so many
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conversations with my sisters and my mom on there and it was just don't take it
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to heart you know sweep it off you know I feel like when people are mean to you that's more of a refle reflection of
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themselves supposed to reflection of themselves and what they're dealing with
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I think like they needed to take it out on someone and I was just there doing well and I was just like Ripp into
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Phoebe you know so but it's okay you know and it's made me who I am today I
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think it's very common I think a lot of people go through this but it's just um
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it's just life isn't it we yeah it is it is but it depends on I sort of find um
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what stuff I get it depends on how you're feeling day by day so some days I can feel [ __ ]
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bulletproof you send me the meanest pile of [ __ ] in the world and it'll just I'll
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laugh at it and it'll be water off a duck's back and other days you can be
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feeling a little bit sensitive and it really [ __ ] hurts or you can be moody sometimes especially being a girl you
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know get a bit Moody sometimes so um so yeah so January 2022 um that's when you
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launched only fans yes there's a post um swimmer girl from New Zealand showcasing
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exclusive content enjoy the ride and travel along with me how do how long has only fans been about a lot of people
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won't even know I don't know much about only fans a lot of people won't know
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much at all only fans have been around for a few years before that I think they started in like 2016 I think only fans
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started but I think like the guy who created it earned like something crazy in profit because he owns like the full
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company I think so I think he was making billions of like profit yearly but so what happened was H when did this happen
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let me think so lockdown started this wasn't the first one this was like the
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second one in like 2021 and I started a patreon so patreon is like I didn't want to do only fans
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because I didn't want to go on that like I think there's a lot of stigma with
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only fans with the pornography and all that so I was like no no I want to stick to obviously um patreon and I did
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patreon for a bit but you really couldn't monetize yourself well because you people couldn't send tips to you can
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not only fans you can send tips it was like one base subscription price and that's all kind of the income you could
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get from it so I started patum which was like a nice way to lightly kind of warm
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it up because it got people more used to like phoe's offering a subscription
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based like platform I think back then only fans was like oh my gosh like that is just atrocious like you were terrible
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like because it's just like the stigma around only fans is like it's terrible
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but I had like the sign I actually had someone from only fans directly reach out to me and said hey look like would
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you start only fans like we're a great platform I I know all about only fans
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and that but I kind of had like a talk with um them on only fans and stuff and we actually they did a launch for me
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they put like a video together and launch it on the only fans Instagram I think but yeah I moved to the platform
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in January yeah 2022 and like it was like crazy like I think obviously my I had the perfect Target Mark obviously I
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have a high male following and it was just like the male audience was just like bom went straight in there and it
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was it was great but it was like it was a lot of money and it was kind of like I
00:24:29
had to talk to people CU I was like oh my gosh I have you know I'm not bragging
00:24:33
but you know a lot of money was coming in like I I was on like wins at one stage when I was swimming and then so
00:24:39
like all this money and I think like within my family we've never cuz like completely self-made never grew up
00:24:45
privileged like like I said like I'm I have four order siblings and mom and dad
00:24:49
we weren't you know poor but we weren't like doing amazing like I a lot of the
00:24:54
money was kind of swimming money was inherited from obviously my mom's sister
00:24:58
so that was what was supporting me in that and my parents have so many bloody kids and kids are so expensive so I
00:25:04
blame them partly for what are you like how much money are you talking about early on oh when I when I was first
00:25:11
started I'm not going to drop like actual figures that's entirely up to you
00:25:15
but uh I I think this is aspirational yeah well prob maybe like my first few months on o I probably would have been
00:25:23
making over like 40,000 New Zealand a month when I like 19 20 years old yeah and that all that money at the time then
00:25:32
was like oh my gosh and obviously you got to pay tax on that so it was like quick get an accountant you know like
00:25:37
find an accountant and my first account actually kind of got it wasn't bad but
00:25:41
he kind of took I think advantage of me cuz I was young and he was charging like
00:25:45
crazy prices in that but then it was a lot of money and then obviously like you know now it definitely makes like a lot
00:25:53
more than that now but it was just like when it first started it was like oh my gosh like what do I do
00:25:58
and then my partner was um could obviously have to like having a partner and having only fans it can be a bit
00:26:05
like you know what are you doing and that but you just got to have like a o Open honest relationship about it all
00:26:10
and um you know we kind of set barriers and all that and like what and what feels most comfortable for me to doing
00:26:16
that and um but yeah it was a shock it's just like the power of only fans is just
00:26:21
like oh my gosh like the money and um but as well like with what I'm earning I
00:26:26
could earn so much more if you step in that other boundary of like pornography but I will never go down that route if
00:26:35
people want to do that 100% that's up to them and all that but I just think with
00:26:39
me it's nice to I'm just I'm comfortable where I am and I think especially when
00:26:44
you start it you have a boundary and it's so easy to overstep that boundary because obviously when money is involved
00:26:50
in that it's oh you know it's intoxicating yeah and then you end up looking and you know overstepping
00:26:55
overstepping you end up looking back you're like oh my gosh like not you know I've gone too far and you
00:27:01
once anything that's on the internet stays on the internet so you got to literally be sure everything you post
00:27:07
like okay you know cuz obviously like content gets leaked on only fans because some people don't want to pay and just
00:27:13
all sorts of stuff so like only fans amazing great and all that but it comes with a lot of negatives and I think or
00:27:20
just the stigma and connotations from oh 100% just like I just I think I posted in like close friends and in like hey
00:27:28
guys I'm stting only fans and that and but honestly my friend group has been
00:27:33
like absolutely like amazing with it and like I haven't lost any friends doing
00:27:38
only fans or anything like I have a small tight Circle and that's like all I
00:27:42
need in my life like I've just got my good girlfriends and obviously like good
00:27:46
partner and a good family and that but um it's cool like only fans is great but
00:27:52
I think one thing that does get a bit annoying is people like it's so easy like only fans is so easy
00:27:59
it's really not that easy because you really need to have that platform behind
00:28:02
you to even get subscribers and I feel like when you're starting off you know
00:28:06
some people can overp that boundary I think the way I do early fans I think it can be a little bit harder but
00:28:13
everyone's going to say it's so easy in that because obviously there's good
00:28:15
money in it but I just it's not as easy as it looks and like I said it's a job
00:28:20
as well isn't it you're very well paid it's a very well paid job but you need
00:28:24
to put the work in so um yeah I've never subscribed to anyone on only fans and
00:28:30
there's probably a lot of people listening or watching that haven't either so so you go through and then
00:28:34
there's like tears yeah so are not not so much tear like so you have the like um you go to like only fans and
00:28:44
you have like the only fans page and you can kind of customize it how you want so
00:28:47
I've got like you get like a profile picture and a cover photo like Facebook
00:28:51
and then it kind of says subscribe and then you get access to all like unlocked media and a lot of people do it
00:28:57
different so you can do a free subscription so people can subscribe to only fans are free but you have a lot of
00:29:04
paid messages behind it so they want to see more content of you they have to pay
00:29:08
to see it my one is that you sub you pay to subscribe I think it's 25 viewers to
00:29:14
subscribe and then for a month for a month yeah for a month and then after that then you have like mess messaging
00:29:21
and like messages and all that and then people can obviously go through and unlock custom messages and that but I
00:29:27
think like what's what's a custom oh like a direct conversation with you yeah not so much
00:29:32
that like custom like video so someone might be like here we go someone might like feet and they' be like look can you
00:29:40
get your toes done and I want to get a video of you scrunching your feet or something like honestly it's not even
00:29:46
like has to be crazy runchy content it's just like just weird FSH stuff a lot of
00:29:51
people just want to have a genuine conversation I think my platform as well I've got I haven't got thousands and
00:29:58
thousands of subscribers on there I just have like a good amount of subscribers and basically it keeps the group more
00:30:05
like tight and like I don't know like and I I do all my messages as well a lot
00:30:11
of people use like Mass like messaging like companies and that that actually message on their behalf but I like
00:30:17
genuinely I sit down every day and I'm doing the messages and talking so people
00:30:21
know it's actually me but a lot of those like top top creators obviously be getting so many messages a day they do
00:30:27
need to get help from like messaging teams and that but I I yeah I try to keep it very much like a tight close
00:30:34
niit group and then obviously have like a separate like um you know a relationship with every single person on
00:30:40
there you know and literally most of my subscribers we just talk about swimming and how their day was and I hurt my knee
00:30:47
in the gym last week and I was like oh like Runing to a few I'm like Oh my knee
00:30:50
I hurt my knee it's so annoying like and just like and a lot of the like swimming
00:30:54
fans you know they like swimming in that and um I was have a fans Ley as well so
00:30:59
you have fansy so fley is like only fans literally the exact same but I have fans
00:31:04
Ley fley is more targeted towards my New Zealand followers because I gone my fans
00:31:10
Le more around like a New Zealand time whereas a lot of my only fans followers are like American and that so I kind of
00:31:16
have to fix kind of like get in the right time zone and obviously time zones are quite different so fans leads more
00:31:22
towards like my New Zealand subscribers but a lot of my followers are kind of like International like Americans and
00:31:28
kind of all that but it's um it's a cool lifestyle but obviously you know but again with the money it's
00:31:37
great but you have to diversify because I can't do only fans forever like no
00:31:42
one's going want to see bloody 50 year old wrinkly woman in front of the camera
00:31:45
so it's kind of like or actually know maybe people do there's all sorts of
00:31:49
niches in that but I don't want to be doing it forever and that so it's it's a
00:31:52
great base to build some wealth and like I've seen it all like Tik Tok and that
00:31:57
and you have one big moneyb building like wealth tool tool so if you have like a successful business or successful
00:32:04
only fans in that and then you Branch out to other streams of income so I actually do a bit of like property
00:32:10
investing too so I have a few properties so you could call me like a landlord I guess and I have a few properties I've
00:32:16
got I've got not a landlord you're a tycoon yeah well I've got I've got three
00:32:21
at the moment but I've I've actually was lucky to get a mentor so we've been
00:32:25
talking about kind of doing it differently CU I was kind of buying new build properties at the time but we're
00:32:30
we're we're looking at it like in a different way now um but yes literally
00:32:35
like yeah I have my property investment and um I obiously have a fitness app called Fizz fit and that was kind of
00:32:43
just um just creating something new you know and that was cool so that's like a
00:32:49
fitness app that I have as well that people can um if they need like a fitness program or like a meal plan
00:32:55
cated to like their needs or something then they can do that and it's actually
00:32:58
C for like most ages too so that's pretty good thinking what else do I do to earn I was a bit of like an
00:33:05
entrepreneur when I was younger I started like a selling account when I was younger and I'd like go to the op
00:33:12
shop and I'd buy clothing and I'd like resell it this is before like anyone was
00:33:16
doing it right and I would like resell stuff from like the op shop and then to just earn a bit of money I've always
00:33:21
kind of had that Hustler's mentality yeah honestly just like always found a way to make money in whatever way I
00:33:27
needed in that and like I hand on my heart I can say as well like only fans is is great but it kind of my Instagram
00:33:35
wasn't to earn money it was just cuz I had a passion I enjoyed it a lot of like
00:33:39
people with successful businesses you can't really be in it for the money you
00:33:43
have to kind of you want have to make a want to make a change and it's not so
00:33:48
much about money money money money I know it's a motivating factor but you got to do what you love like I don't
00:33:54
know say for example there was this person that drinks coffee with the time and they were sick of their coffee
00:33:59
getting cold they've going to bring out a new coffee cup that keeps you obviously people do that now that keeps
00:34:04
your coffee warm so it started with like a passion and a problem which led to success with the money but you can't be
00:34:11
in it for the money because you're not going to you're not going to last are
00:34:14
you if it's just how have you managed to not cross that threshold I think it must
00:34:19
be tempting I think kind of you I always think about that thing like whatever you post is always going to be
00:34:26
out there so I always always remember that like whatever you know you got to be fine with it if it's going to be out
00:34:31
there forever so I always think about that that's definitely a big one I guess
00:34:35
just like I think being within like the swimming community and coming from like an athletic background you you you have
00:34:43
to be careful I just think like I'm not sure if I have people looking up to me
00:34:48
but you just want to kind of have a good image about you and and all that but like I have absolutely no problem if
00:34:54
people do I actually one of my close friends does a lot of pornography and that and that's completely fine you know
00:35:00
cuz that's her boundary and that's her barrier and she's comfortable with that
00:35:03
and all that but I just obviously it can be yeah it can be tempting but I just I
00:35:10
don't know I I think like sometimes it's just within you and you got to be
00:35:14
confident doing that St on camera I think i' would be terrible so yeah not for me but if it's for people then
00:35:20
that's fine but I think like it's really important if anyone's thinking of doing
00:35:24
only fans like just have those boundaries to start just if you're thinking about Crossing one just really
00:35:30
have like a good think about it because once you do it you can't take it back
00:35:34
especially people will get immune to it because if you give them it then it's
00:35:37
like what's next you know and if you give them all of it it's like well what's next now you got to keep stepping
00:35:42
up stepping up and you're like [ __ ] I've gone I've gone too far you know so yeah
00:35:46
you got to be just you got to stay staunch but only fans is great you know I can post what I want when I want do
00:35:53
messages when I whenever I want as well so I'm in control of everything that
00:35:57
goes out there so it's great and if there's a subscriber giving me [ __ ] or
00:36:01
being annoying it's just a block or restrict so it's kind of like it's a
00:36:04
great platform I think for people if they don't really want to kind of how would you say it I think back in the day
00:36:13
with like people sex work and that you could be forcing the stuff you don't want to do but I think now with like
00:36:19
only fans you can kind of be in control of what you do which is great if you go on that route so and and and your
00:36:25
partner Josh like what sort of what sort of discussion did you have what does he
00:36:29
make of it yeah so it was kind of like obviously did patreon to start but everything that I do like I'm
00:36:35
transparent about and like he knows and all that with my platforms and everything so and he's really supportive
00:36:41
in that and he gets to go along the ride with the cool lifestyle and that so it's
00:36:45
like you know it's good but obviously like we're actively looking for other
00:36:49
ways to you know to earn money because I guess like we know only fans isn't forever but it's a great step you know
00:36:57
when you at the sage especially gives us the chance to travel on that but you just got to be open about it even like
00:37:04
my parents know they were the first ones I told them I was mom dad you know like
00:37:07
you know I'm going to be doing only fans and that and mom was a bit unsure obviously to start could I think Mom
00:37:12
just wants to protect me from anything and let's um let's just pause on this
00:37:17
for a second so yeah so you have you set them down you have this chat with them do they know what only fans is or
00:37:22
they've just heard what they did know because my friend s only fan and she was
00:37:28
very successful on it and so they kind of mom knew about it I guess my dad like he he doesn't you know it's more like a
00:37:34
conversation me mom cuz dads just kind of go along with it don't they you keep
00:37:38
doesn't want to know happy wife happy life you know but he's um I just I just
00:37:43
talked to them in that and I think Mom was a bit concerned but like I said starting patreon first was the best way
00:37:48
to do it because it was like a warm a slow warmup to kind of subscription platforms and that but like they like I
00:37:56
said like main thing is to get back to Mom and Dad so first thing I did after on ow for maybe oh gosh like I said I'm
00:38:04
bad at MTH maybe like N9 months I went out and Mom and Dad's dream has been a
00:38:09
caravan for so long cuz obviously they've had that dream for like 30 years but they've had so many bloody kids in
00:38:14
there and they just with money they couldn't afford it so I went out and got
00:38:18
them a caravan and I surprised them I pked it down the road and I was like oh Mom Dad like can we go for a walk you
00:38:24
know with a dog and that and um it was just down from like the house and I was like oh there's a property on this house
00:38:30
that I want to look at and Dad's like okay sweet and then we walk down and the
00:38:34
caravan's on the back of um my you and it's um got the Caravan on and Mom and
00:38:38
Dad walk and they stop and they're like oh my gosh Fe like what is that and mom
00:38:42
was holding a heart she was like oh my gosh what is that and I was like Merry Christmas and they were like holy [ __ ]
00:38:48
and like that was so cool I actually think I got a few tears in them which is nice but it's like giving back to them
00:38:54
as much as I can and like Mom said like we bought I bought them the dream cuz that's what they've always wanted and I
00:38:59
think that's the main thing that I'm so family oriented just give back to Mom
00:39:03
and Dad and that is just like the main thing especially with like my swimming career and that and but they've got a
00:39:09
few I bought them a new car as well they need they used to drive a Toyota Aqua which had so many KES in it and I was
00:39:15
like gosh like and my dad is just like a Phanatic for hybrid cars like he loves hybrid cars so he got them like a um
00:39:22
Toyota Corolla hybrid or something he like is obsessed with those cars so we got that and again mom and dad are like
00:39:28
oh my God like I always surprise them when I get this stuff it's always like I
00:39:32
walk I'm oh come look outside you know look at this and they're like oh my God
00:39:36
you know but you give back to Mom and Dad all the time like that's the um they're your creators you know and
00:39:41
they're the ones who first believed in you so it's like that's my main my main
00:39:45
goal is to get back to Mom and Dad take a bit of pressure of them and that so yeah it's so lovely yeah it's they're
00:39:51
your creators but now you're you're a Creator yeah yeah yeah it's like a full
00:39:55
circle thing and you you're you're 22 now yes and you you bought your first
00:40:00
house at 21 20 20 20 I think yeah I bought one in toonga went at 20 sh so what was your deposit like 100k no I put
00:40:10
a bigger deposit I put over 250,000 on that one oh my God this is amazing well it was kind of like the the property was
00:40:19
initially I was going to it was like we didn't know what our only fans would do
00:40:23
so it was like Doom and Gloom like if it all packs in I've got a house to live in
00:40:27
and I've got something out of it but then it kind of turned more into investment so then that's like obviously
00:40:32
investment property now and it rents out and then I bought um two of properties as well in Oakland I think last year I
00:40:38
last was it last year yeah I think I did three in a year and I was like I was chugging along but this year's been yeah
00:40:46
this year's been more about enjoying the wealth a little bit and exploring traveling I bought bought a bloody
00:40:52
Porsche as well that was like that was pretty cool I was going to get a brand new one brand this on Instagram um
00:40:59
actually you did like a re and it was the progression of your card unit oh and it's really yes what do you pay for a
00:41:04
new 9911 gosh two no more so my dad was trying to get the price on me cuz I show
00:41:12
them the Porsche where I bought it and I actually told the sales guy in that he's
00:41:15
actually called Julius like we really like Julius and I said remove that sales price cuz my dad was on like researching
00:41:21
that how much is it so i1 is the value of it is about 340 my God it's there it's it's like even
00:41:30
talking about that's a [ __ ] investment isn't it are you can you drive okay I
00:41:34
was a [ __ ] driver and actually I'm still a [ __ ] driver can you drive I'd be
00:41:38
scared of like wrecking the rooms or we had a situation in countdown Point share
00:41:43
when we had I think someone was under the influence or something and um she had a sign and she threw it at the car
00:41:52
and I was like oh my gosh and I was getting in the car with my mom but my mom was like daydreaming no idea and I
00:41:56
was like Mom get in the [ __ ] car like there's someone trying to like bash the
00:42:00
car up we go to drive out and this lady is running like on the side of it and tries to jump in front of the car and I
00:42:08
was like oh my gosh and then boom swings gets a punched into it thank God there was no damage but that was like the
00:42:15
first kind of thing that happened in the portion I was like oh my gosh like this
00:42:18
is like it kind of took the love out a bit it was like oh I think when you drive a car like that you can you get
00:42:25
mixed opinions and all sorts of stuff but I think uh especially when you start making a lot of money you need to get
00:42:33
stuff to offset the tax because if you're paying a lot of money like my tax for this year was atrocious so you get I
00:42:41
think people you buy stuff to offset Tex you know could business vehicle and it's
00:42:45
great for like promotion on social media cuz it's a little bit controversial as
00:42:49
well it's like what's this girl doing she's 22 she's got a Porsche you know
00:42:52
and you get it's it's a bit of like a marketing tool in a way because it's
00:42:56
kind of like it brings a bit of media attention but I do love Porsche and I love the car and that and it won't a 911
00:43:03
is such an iconic car they don't lose their value too much so but it was I was
00:43:08
actually getting the niss narz I've got a you and I was getting it service and
00:43:11
then me and my partner like oh look there's Porsche there let's just have a
00:43:14
little look and the Porsche team actually all came together and designed a super cool car that they thought would
00:43:21
look great and that was actually in the showroom at the time cuz to get a Porsche that's like a 9 Monon or 12
00:43:26
month wait to to get it built but it was right there waiting for us and we were like oh my gosh like oh but it was a
00:43:33
cool moment but it's you know it's nice having a nice car but like I said like
00:43:38
especially like my Instagram I used to drive in this same March like 2004 purple one it had all sorts of marks in
00:43:44
it but it still got me to A to B in that and it's kind of like not as quickly
00:43:48
though well not no actually it's true not as quickly oh good for you this is
00:43:53
great and just quietly like it's a big middle finger to those [ __ ] from when
00:43:57
you're in the PO 14 15 isn't it it kind of like it's it's all paid off kind of
00:44:02
keeping in it but like people still find a way to hate they you have only fans it's not a real job on that but you just
00:44:09
cannot care about what people think because I wouldn't be here I think a lot
00:44:12
of people put up with it but it's just like well people are going to people are
00:44:15
going to have an opinion on you regardless 100% so it's just like [ __ ] it just just live life oh my God that's
00:44:22
amazing you and your partner oh your how is here with being like a boyfriend of Instagram there's a or do you do you
00:44:29
have like a a selfie light in a stand that does most of them or is he is he photographer so for if we're talking
00:44:37
like strictly like only fans and like fans Le usually I'm just using like a tripod or literally putting a phone up
00:44:43
against something but like he might help me with like the odd photo and stuff on
00:44:46
only fans but for Instagram he does play a big part in that like he's my get so
00:44:51
annoying oh he does I think he does get embarrassed he gets embarrassed sometimes with um taking photos me all
00:44:57
the time but he knows it's for business in there and he and he does it he just
00:45:01
prefers if it's in more of a quieter area not in the middle could I I don't
00:45:05
care I'm just like just take the photo like if people ask me it's my bloody job
00:45:09
and that and he's like oh God like but he gets on to it and he helps me so well
00:45:13
you you guys have just been um on a European holiday and you flew business class so Josh you want to keep flying in
00:45:20
those seats you take the [ __ ] photos 100% yep 100% it was business class is great it was it was so
00:45:29
expensive the way it's expensive it was I think the way to do it is you go through a travel agent and they actually
00:45:33
ended up getting like some better rates in that but yes it is expensive but honestly oh we had such bad turbulence
00:45:41
coming back and I think regardless of what seat you're in the plane you're
00:45:43
still going to feel like I could I got a bit like motion sickness cu the plane was like bouncing up and down in that so
00:45:49
whatever seat you're in it it's still [ __ ] but business Cloud you can lay down
00:45:53
when you sleep so it's like and you know the food's nice but I think you pay the
00:45:57
money because you can literally lay down in your bed and just sleep so it's just
00:46:01
like that's the great thing but I need to I need to take Mom and Dad overseas
00:46:05
and I'm going to treat them to business and I think it'd be so cool but then
00:46:08
again my dad's got a problem with flying so it's like for God's sake he hates the
00:46:12
whole being trapped in a plane you can't get out but it's just like Dad if you
00:46:16
try jump at the plane like where are you going to go it's just like it's just
00:46:20
shocking anyways yeah are they must be yeah what do your sisters think and your parents they proud yeah you know
00:46:26
honestly they are and like um my sisters have always just been good supporters and that and um yeah 100% no family's
00:46:33
just been great and I I give back to them as much as they can like obviously the most back to Mom and Dad but like
00:46:39
you know I got my what do I get my oldest sister like a wash um a tumble dryer something tumble dryer random
00:46:45
birthday gifts but I was just like I like to spoil them a little bit cuz it's
00:46:48
kind of you know they are the day ones and that so I do give and how do they do they do they have to deal with much sort
00:46:54
of like you backlash snide Remar s comments from other people well not so much hon not I'm not as much in the
00:47:01
media eye I think for people to Target my family I think that a lot of my family is quite lowkey on social media
00:47:07
so it's never really like an issue and I yeah it's never no it's never been an
00:47:12
issue touch would gosh I don't want to ever be a issue don't come for my family
00:47:16
God but what about um what about um like an issue with creepy dudes or anything like comments on maybe not necessarily
00:47:25
on only fans either but on the other platforms talk Instagram I had well on o I had a guy that was like a um he wasn't
00:47:33
a news present but he was like at the swimming New Zealand meets he was like a camera guy it doesn't I don't know I
00:47:40
don't know who he was among so it must have been years ago I don't know who it
00:47:42
is but he was a camera guy or something and would like film me when I was swimming like for like this live streams
00:47:47
or something that was a bit weird but apart from that I haven't really had creepy people I don't really like put
00:47:56
myself out there enough like in public to kind of be targeted yeah obviously like I walk around the the beach in a
00:48:02
little bikini and that but I think like I don't really got and party much I feel
00:48:06
like I went from my party stages and I was like 1920 so I don't really I'm not
00:48:13
not really I think I'm lucky that a lot of my followers are overseas opposed to
00:48:17
New Zealand and New Zealand is such a small little country so it's like I've
00:48:21
been good touch wood though it's like I don't want to have to deal with that I
00:48:24
know like yeah no no unwanted an of dick pcks or anything like that like you get
00:48:31
the old one on well on Instagram you get them so much but I don't even go so what
00:48:36
do you mean well I don't go I don't go on my requests because I don't I don't
00:48:39
read my requests but like on only fans like you do I think people think that it's a platform that like oh like I'm
00:48:47
subscribed to you you know do you want to see stuff of me some people think it's a dating app and it's like it's not
00:48:51
a dating app like you subscribe to me to see my content I don't subscribe to you
00:48:56
but I always say like on only fans you actually get like a little blurred preview and like you know straight away
00:49:01
and it's just like report it and I'm like don't send me pictures without my
00:49:04
permission cuz sometimes I ask to see like nice landmarks or like they're like
00:49:08
I'm from Spain I'm like oh wow like send you know a photo of like your local
00:49:11
Beach or something but you do get the odd creeper you know trying to send photos but I don't have to open them I
00:49:16
just literally report them so yeah it's good fair enough um yeah I I've got a
00:49:23
few questions here about only fans um yeah what do you think is the the biggest misconception about only fans
00:49:28
and its creators that I think everyone everyone and only fans does pornography it's not true you can it's a
00:49:36
subscription platform where your fans can pay and not everyone does pornography you can literally sell
00:49:45
cooking do cooking videos or you can sell advice on Sport and that it's just
00:49:50
a paid platform that people go on not everyone does pornography so that's the
00:49:55
biggest thing with only fans and that's why the stigma around it it's like oh my
00:49:59
gosh you know but not everyone does por on only fans I know it's like the biggest Money Maker but not everyone
00:50:06
does it so jeez it seems like you're doing just fine without it what's um you
00:50:10
may you tell me to piss off if you don't want to answer this but your your biggest single month so I won't I'm not
00:50:15
going to say exact figures but it was over six figures in one month over 100k in one month yeah amazing yeah so it's
00:50:25
and you so you pay you have to you go through your accountant you pay tax out of that how much does only fans take as
00:50:30
a platform they take 25% of yeah but again like I know they take a lot of money out of that but it's like they
00:50:38
give you the platform on there and kind of like your end money like you don't
00:50:43
you just get exactly you just get everything but without that 20 with that 25% cut taken out so it's not like I'm
00:50:50
paying them out money I just get what's taken out with the 25% cut taken off so
00:50:55
but yeah they do that's why they earned so much money that that company's worth
00:50:59
so I wish I like invested in it like back in 2016 very clipping the ticket that big single Creator y That's crazy
00:51:07
you've got people on there like honestly I'm like I'm a small fish like I think
00:51:11
one of the top creators was earning like 10 like oh maybe not like 5 million a month or something like they had so much
00:51:19
money I think normal people earn like a million a month or something USD as well
00:51:25
so are you are you worried that like um I mean you're still very very young you're never going to be have like a
00:51:30
normal job like imagine you're getting a job paying 70 80 grand a year like I
00:51:36
know you know what I mean like you've been you've been very you've worked hard but you know
00:51:41
you've been very lucky and very spoiled with um how things have panned out at a
00:51:44
very young age yeah yeah 100% I think that's why it's so important when you're
00:51:49
an only fan to get other streams of income because you can't really go it's
00:51:53
a normal job that's why I don't that's why I don't want people just rushing
00:51:57
into only fans because once you kind of have that only fans status it always stays with you and it can really Stitch
00:52:03
you up in future life if you don't have a real plan with where you're going so I
00:52:08
think I've like kind of accepted that and that's like that's okay um but yeah
00:52:14
it's um you just got to be you just got to be careful of only fans I just yeah I don't
00:52:19
want people rushing out and starting them because it's it's um it's great but
00:52:23
it's not all sunshine and Rainbows in that there's a lot of of negativity and
00:52:27
backlash that comes with it but I've accepted that and that's why I've got
00:52:30
other streams of income coming through so you could where did the where did the um yes it seems like you do have your H
00:52:36
screwed on the right way where did that come from I think just talking to the right people it was it was hard when I
00:52:42
first started because as much as I love my parents I couldn't go to my parents
00:52:47
for advice because I was kind of going new I've kind of G places that have never so much been before I think their
00:52:55
goal was just like buy house pay a few mortgage but it was kind of like that wasn't the direction cuz I really wanted
00:53:00
to build some wealth so it was just about talking to the right people and that and people who have somewhat done
00:53:05
it and literally like on Tik Tok I know you shouldn't just take Tik Tok advice
00:53:08
all the time but there's a lot of helpful advice there and I think my accountant because my accountant
00:53:13
obviously deals with a lot of like big dogs I call them like you know the high rollers who actually earn a lot of money
00:53:19
and you know they get good advice and I always got like a mentor now that helps me a bit with property and that so you
00:53:25
just you just you got to know what you're doing cuz when you got a lot of money coming in it's easy to go off and
00:53:31
buy he the designer and you know splasher your money but you you got to kind of keep your head screwed on I
00:53:36
think a bit yeah what do you like to spend your money on you've got the Porsche there's the business class
00:53:41
flight oh I've gone a bit silly and I've got a bit of a designer phase at the
00:53:45
moment just buying so much design I got this W there's my I got a little Rolex
00:53:49
as well which is quite nice that was um Rolex is actually quite hard to get it's
00:53:53
kind of you can't just walk in and buy them it's like you've you register your
00:53:58
interest and if they like you then they're going to give you one but it's
00:54:01
like I was getting like ignored by Rolex for ages and then it wasn't until I
00:54:05
bought a Porsche I had like a slight referral so then that was how I kind of got my way on purchasing like a Rolex
00:54:11
and that but yeah I love like Dior and Chanel it's terrible but in Europe it's
00:54:16
a lot cheaper so but design is a honestly it's a big waste of money I need to stop buying it cuz it's just how
00:54:22
much does it cost them to make it you know so but no I'm saving up I'm saving
00:54:27
up now to get more properties I'm I'm going to start being more strict but
00:54:31
like I said this year was kind of more about having fun and buying the nice car and all that and but now it's like
00:54:36
hustle time and to really start building more wealth so oh good on you what what
00:54:40
do you pay for a rolly oh this one here was about 22,000 so couple of weeks yeah less that crazy less than that oh
00:54:51
my God this is crazy good for you yeah yeah good for you have you um um I don't
00:54:59
know much about like um the money laundering laws whatever but I know last time I sold a house there was like all
00:55:03
this documentation I had to do with the bank under some if you have like a large
00:55:07
sum of money going into your bank there's some like money laundering thing they have to go through like have you
00:55:12
anything like justifying where all the money is coming from I think not really because when I pay myself an O it
00:55:17
doesn't all come in like one big monthly sum it's kind of like small amounts kind
00:55:22
of could come in like you know six grand you know so not really too much I think my bank kind
00:55:30
of know that I have the amount of money I think when I first started getting money in I think they asked me I think
00:55:36
they might have asked me but this was a while ago but I don't think they really
00:55:39
I don't think they really mind too much so no yeah and if you got like a little
00:55:43
notification on your phone every time there's like a new subscriber or uh I like turning my notifications off
00:55:49
because I get a lot through like Instagram and like only fans and that but like not really I think when I go on
00:55:56
my only fans look at like my notifications but I don't like keep an eye on it I just kind of you know I like
00:56:02
putting when I put my phone down that's my phone down and then I can I've got
00:56:05
like two little cute cats as well so I play with bannett and Freddy and that it's just good to get away from it
00:56:10
that's why like the power of only fans is amazing because you can be on your
00:56:14
phone and you can work and stuff but if you want to get away from that just put your phone down and just I know go for a
00:56:19
walk or something it's good to be able to get away from it so yeah do do you
00:56:23
sort of structure it like a business like do you have do you have like a couple of hours every day where you say
00:56:27
to your partner Josh right now's my you know messaging time or yeah you quite
00:56:32
good it yeah I think like it kind of ranges like sometimes I will reply to messages two times a day in there and go
00:56:38
through all of them and it could take me like an hour to do all of them but I guess like not like it just depends on
00:56:45
when I'm free cuz like if I'm like gyming in the morning I'm kind of quite
00:56:50
busy during the morning and that so it just kind of depends but I try to do my messages two times a day cuz it's I
00:56:55
think the more active you stay the more connected you can stay with your fans and it's better to be on there more and
00:57:00
then you got to make Instagram content and that cuz the main thing with o is self-promotion constantly you need to
00:57:06
like self-promote yourself otherwise you're going to lose fans so it is a bit
00:57:09
of pressure that I have to withhold that CU obviously I have a lot more liabilities now obviously having
00:57:14
properties and all that so you do have to definitely work for your money I know it's not like a generic dot job but you
00:57:21
still you you know still like anything in life you get out what you put in yeah 100% if you and a great platform is Tik
00:57:29
Tok again Tik Tok is great to kind of earn money in that because you can I when I had that Viral post that 17
00:57:36
million views but I've actually got two Tik toks so another one actually got
00:57:40
around that two so I've got two videos that had 17 million views and like all
00:57:45
that traffic from there you're going to gain like a th000 subscribers CU they go
00:57:49
from your Tik Tok onto your Instagram onto like your o or your fley so it's kind of like if you put in a lot of
00:57:54
effort you can actually make a lot lot of money I think it's just all about self-promotion and that's just like how
00:58:00
you do it those Tik Tok numbers are crazy he like I don't understand it watering number but you don't make any
00:58:06
money directly from that no I don't make money off Tik Tok I think you do videos
00:58:10
over a minute maybe or something but no I don't really make money off Tik Tok
00:58:14
but Tik tok's annoying like the most stupid videos I've got like that's just
00:58:18
me getting out a pool I've got way cooler stuff like me doing like a dive and like you know and it's just like oh
00:58:25
i' just got way cool stuff but that one video I don't get Tik Tok it just and
00:58:29
even like Instagram the most stupid stuff gets the most likes and it's like God oh yeah do you get any money from
00:58:34
that or do you do you get many Brands coming to you want wanting to do collabs I do yeah so when I was younger
00:58:39
obviously a way to make money was to do like collaborations um I worked for Nike
00:58:43
actually when I was 15 I did a promotion for Nike they paid me like I think like
00:58:48
for like a 15-year-old got paid like 3 G which was like for two PS and I was like
00:58:52
oh my gosh wow this is so cool it was like one of their like new sneakers or something I to like promote but I do I
00:58:58
have worked with a lot of companies I um what's some cool ones that I've worked
00:59:02
with I don't work with them so much now could I try to keep my page more like
00:59:06
authentic I don't want to to use my followers just for aatar like just to be
00:59:11
paid on Instagram I don't know I don't really do too much but what gosh there's
00:59:15
so many I did like a lot of promotion for like tank when I was younger so I get like free food from tank and free
00:59:21
smoothies I did one for I got like it was like a watch company did like Tissot and timx and all that and I'd get like
00:59:29
free watches and heavily discounted oh gosh there been all sorts of stuff I did one for manscape recently could
00:59:36
obviously manscape is like a shave your pubic here yeah i' like shaving your balls or something but I
00:59:42
think it can be used to like your facial hair and that but I had to promote that
00:59:45
you know you you want a different razor for your face oh yeah actually yeah that's true oh that's terrible there'd
00:59:51
be some men that would use them man in both places oh that's terrible but yeah
00:59:56
so um what other questions of well this is thanks for being so open he this is it's all right it's okay it's a really
01:00:03
big Insight you you you're not um yeah you're not embarrassed and you shouldn't
01:00:07
be embarrassed about how much money you're making oh well like you know I'm
01:00:12
you kind of got to be open about some obviously and I haven't given you guys
01:00:16
like complete figures you know I'm still keeping you know it's it's rude of me to
01:00:21
ask that stuff like you don't ask everyone what they're earning at their
01:00:23
job like I think well I think we're just like oh if it's it's kind of different I
01:00:27
think it's just like it can be maybe motivating some people like astounding just like how the generation has like
01:00:33
changed and that but like it's fine you know I haven't really done a podcast
01:00:38
since kind of all the stuff has happened with obviously I've been reached out to
01:00:42
but I want to make sure I'm doing it with like a legitimate you know obviously when you reached out I was
01:00:46
like yeah like 100% like it's nice to just come on and just talk about life a
01:00:50
bit maybe so but know it's been it's been pretty good I appreciate that oh
01:00:55
what a what a like some of the weirdest requests you've ever had like have you've been asked to like stomp stomp
01:01:00
into a sponge cake with your feet or no there's a really weird one some guy and
01:01:05
only fans wanted me to blow a balloon until it popped and it was so scary and I was like I'm so sorry like I can't do
01:01:14
that it's so scary and he was like you can wear and I was like can I wear like
01:01:18
clothing or anything CU I think he originally wanted me like sit on the balloon I guess that's not as weird but
01:01:22
I was like nah like I don't want to do that he said blow the balloon until it
01:01:25
pops but like it was so embarrassing the video because like I was so scared so I
01:01:29
put like a caping goggles on to like protect my eyes and it was terrible I think the guy like somewhat enjoyed the
01:01:35
video but he was like it wasn't really what I was after the balloon didn't even
01:01:38
pop but I was just too scared I was just like what what are you going to do with
01:01:42
this video it's just weird weird how much how much extra did he pay for that
01:01:47
oh God I think he oh let me think I think he paid about like 200 USD maybe so probably about maybe 250 maybe about
01:01:56
400 New Zealand dolls You' be pissed off at the balloon didn't pop yeah actually
01:02:00
yeah I think he was yeah yeah but I I suppose you're making so much money you're like oh I don't I don't yeah this
01:02:06
is adman yeah yeah um what advice would you give to someone considering starting an only
01:02:13
fans account I think like before you start only fans get a few fans behind you I think really like self-promote
01:02:21
yourself and to get a fan base behind you because if you just do are only fans you know know I think when you start at
01:02:27
only fans you get a bit of hate and like cuz there's always going to be people
01:02:30
you know are going to find your only fans and try subscribe and all that so just make sure you have a good fan base
01:02:35
behind you and like fully commit to it as well don't just you know do it half
01:02:41
ass you know you got to really just be committed and be like look I'm going to
01:02:43
do this but I just think with like oh if you just just just be careful re just re-evaluate what you want to do in life
01:02:52
and if it's going to affect you in the future because like I said it's great
01:02:56
but it's sometimes it's not worth it if you want to go into like a big career
01:03:00
job and all that so but I think like it might be easier for girls who have only fans to find jobs in the future because
01:03:07
the generation is always changing and I think people are a lot more open to ol as a lot more open to ol now than they
01:03:13
were when I first started it so I think just build a good fan base behind you because then you've got paying
01:03:19
subscribers and just go at your own pace but don't overdo it and oversell yourself because it just because like I
01:03:26
said content gets leaked and if something gets leaked that's going to genuinely upset you or ruin your life or
01:03:31
that's a bit over dramatic but just be just be careful what has this happened
01:03:36
to you what's the content that's been leaked so I've had like only fans
01:03:40
content leaked nothing like horrific but it's because people don't want to
01:03:44
obviously pay for Content but you get all sorts of leaked stuff but that's why
01:03:47
you always going to make sure you have an internet removal team which can remove any can remove leak content but a
01:03:54
lot of those con um the people that are leaking the content out in like Russia and other countries where you can't
01:04:00
actually really get it taken down I think that copyright rules are different or something but you got to make sure
01:04:05
you invest money in an internet removal team that's really important because
01:04:09
they're literally they're not stealing your money but people like why would I
01:04:12
pay when it's you know out there but a lot yeah like I control it and like my
01:04:16
leaks are very minimal so but you got to be you're always going to get your first
01:04:19
league and be like oh my gosh you know and the end of the world yeah by the way this is the first time in over hund and
01:04:25
something podcast that I've ever heard the phrase content removal team yeah yeah they don't even think about that y
01:04:31
it's really but it's good like I think well especially New Zealand um I think
01:04:36
if anyone ever posted anything they didn't like or I don't know you can it's
01:04:40
just good to fall back on if you like need it you know you got to pay people when you're in business and that you
01:04:45
need useful people and resources so yeah and when you've been um doing it for a
01:04:50
while like you have and you've built up like a fan base how how do you decide
01:04:54
what type of new content create for the subscribers like how do you keep it fres I think like you're
01:05:00
always buying like new outfits in there and changing it up like you can research
01:05:05
ideas online and stuff if you want but I just think it's like you just got to
01:05:10
keep it fresh and fun and like Chang it up and all that and one big one is like I just think like well a good one I
01:05:19
usually do is like bikini huls and that so like if I went to Europe and I got five new bikinis I do like a bikini haul
01:05:24
in that and show like people all bikini What bikini hall Hall so it's like we we
01:05:29
call that Halls like um you just try on like different bikinis and like show them and then you can be like which one
01:05:35
do you like out of the one to five what's your favorite one or something so you just like constantly like just
01:05:40
change up your content keeping fresh but I think there will always be a demand for like women's bodies I don't know how
01:05:47
to but it will it will never die out but you just got to keep it fun and you got
01:05:50
to really look like you're enjoying yourself when you make your content cuz I genuinely like I actually enjoy doing
01:05:55
only fans a lot of girls are oh like only fans and that but like I I actually enjoy it and I I actually could I've
01:06:02
been reached out by so many different companies to do like my messages and only friend and I was like n I'm
01:06:07
actually quite happy doing it so I think it it makes a difference if you actually
01:06:11
love what you do it's funny saying I love doing only fans but it's it's great
01:06:15
what do you love about it is it is it the money or is it the the validation from you know these fans yeah I think
01:06:22
it's I wouldn't say it's the validation I would say it's more so I like having a
01:06:28
purpose in the morning and it's kind of like I like sitting down and sitting on
01:06:32
my laptop and doing my work and having like a coffee in there and replying and like talking to all sorts of new people
01:06:37
in there like some people are so like foreign I guess you could say that they don't even speak English so I'm like
01:06:43
using a translator to like communicate I think it's cool just meeting new people
01:06:47
and and all that I I enjoy it and obviously like the money is rewarding but it's um I do genuinely enjoy doing
01:06:54
it and I think my my fans can see that within me I think if you don't enjoy it
01:06:59
it just makes the content look forced and not good again that's why you got to
01:07:02
make sure you're comfortable with whatever you're doing because you know
01:07:06
you don't really want to look uncomfortable in content or like on camera if that makes sense so it does
01:07:11
make sense how how many togs do you have oh God like aund oh probably about that
01:07:18
I have so many I remember going shopping in Europe I was on a swimming trip I went to Europe with swimming and there
01:07:24
was this um um I bought like so many bikinis and some guy was like why do you need so many bikinis like ripped into me
01:07:31
and I was just like God like you hav even seen how many bloody pairs of togs I got at home I've got I've got I've got
01:07:37
training swimwear obviously for like pming training bikinis for pool sing then I've got bikini obviously bikinis
01:07:43
for Beach then I've got like my only fans bikinis which is probably like not
01:07:47
like a g string more like a string that bit more runchy you could probably wear it in Europe but not not in New Zealand
01:07:53
cuz I a situation it was terrible I was at swimming and I there was like an outdoor shower by the swimming pool so I
01:08:02
finished training and I'd go in the shower because it was cold and I was like in my my whm Hof stage I used to
01:08:07
love having cold showers and I was literally having a shower and this man kept staring at me and I actually got a
01:08:15
complaint from a woman because she said that her husband was looking at me but blamed me and not the husband and I was
01:08:22
like for God's sakes like I got the blame not a husband it was just like God
01:08:28
it's your fault oh it was sh on it was all my fault just having a cold shower
01:08:33
and I I got the blame for this woman for her husband not being a to keep his eyes
01:08:37
to himself obviously you look at people but you you know oh God yeah it's shocking any um any Encounters in real
01:08:44
life where you know you're at the mall or you're you know you're at the beach
01:08:48
and people come up to you because they recognize you from online not really I think it's because a lot of my fan base
01:08:54
is world wide so not really that hasn't happened New Zealand maybe like when I
01:08:59
was younger with swimming before any of O started like I had a bigger platform like a few girls and guys like us photos
01:09:06
of me but not really anymore maybe because I'm like a o Creator they're like no you can't take a photo of her
01:09:11
you know she could be a porn star so not really honestly not really too much I'm
01:09:16
not really like I think there's stages of being a celebrity in that and I don't
01:09:20
really think I'm kind of I'm in a great position because I'm not too much in the
01:09:25
media eye but I'm earning good money so it's kind of like I'm quite comfortable
01:09:29
where I are where I am right now but I feel like I think that's the high thing
01:09:33
with like famous people it's way better to be rich than famous because like you
01:09:38
can see like how like some celebrities have to live it looks so hard in that with like Papa rzi everywhere but no I'm
01:09:44
pretty sheltered from it which I'm very grateful for because I just think I like
01:09:49
doing stuff by myself and going for walks and I like to feel safe in that so yeah well that's what that's the
01:09:54
impression I've got from check today like you know you're you're in a loyal
01:09:57
relationship you have been for a long time um you've got your head screwed on
01:10:01
the right way like you know you are you looking after yourself the Rolex and the
01:10:06
Porsche and whatnot but you're also um you know keeping an eye out for future
01:10:10
Phoebe as well yeah you got your cats and you're just um you're just a fit and
01:10:14
healthy young woman yeah I thank you yeah I'm just I I do think Mom and Dad they did they did Raising well I've
01:10:20
always learned you always have to be polite in that we were actually astounded when we were in Europe
01:10:25
at um how rude people were overseas in comparison to like kiwis I feel a lot of kiwis are a lot more polite but in like
01:10:33
Europe you could open a door for someone and they wouldn't even say thank you and
01:10:37
I was like I stood there and I thought oh my God and my partner was like don't
01:10:41
say anything like you don't know who you're messing with I think like you
01:10:44
just always got to have mans you can't be rude to people you got to be kind to
01:10:48
people and this whole thing with like thinking you're better than people like
01:10:53
I'm not about that you know we're all equal and own ways and that and you
01:10:56
don't ever think you're better than someone cuz you've got more money than
01:10:58
them and all that it's just you got to treat everyone with respect again you
01:11:02
don't know what someone's going through as well someone's you know you just
01:11:06
never know I actually my um sister when she was younger had a really really rough time with mental health like
01:11:14
terrible I think 10 years she was unwell and she got admitted three times so it was really bad and and I was quite Young
01:11:21
when that was all happening and I think that really opened my she's completely
01:11:24
recovered now and has a little boy in that so she's doing amazing but and and
01:11:29
she she helps people now as well who are going through her same situation she's
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got all that experience that she can just help people she would have saved like over hundred lives by now so she's
01:11:38
very great but I think that just really taught me like you just never know what someone's going through you just you
01:11:43
can't be mean to people or anything you give people respect no I agree you you
01:11:48
just want to be kind um where you can I mean yeah it's simple common courtesy
01:11:53
really isn't it and also you know poor mental health can impact anyone at any
01:11:57
time oh how are you how are you the mental health been good yeah honestly well nothing terrible but I had a stage
01:12:04
where when I it was it happened last year and I swam a 200 breast stroke so that's eight laps of breast stroke and
01:12:10
that was like my main really good event CU in 2019 I actually got a bronze medal
01:12:15
at the New Zealand open championships that was like my first ever big medal and that was like it was amazing it was
01:12:21
so cool so that was like my event and I swam it underprepared and on like the fifth lap I had like a panic attack when
01:12:28
I was swimming but I had like no idea what was happening but it really took my breath away and it scared me cuz I was
01:12:33
like well I've never like dealt with anything like that so that really like you know stumbled me and I think I I
01:12:41
always have to be doing something and I always have to be busy that's my main
01:12:44
thing I can't just sit and relax and another time happened last year to was that I was I did a big swim session big
01:12:53
gym session got home and went straight out to the mall to do something and Midway in the mall felt like I was
01:12:58
having like a light panic attack as well and that was quite hard because it was like I didn't have as much control over
01:13:04
my mind and I felt like once you lose your mind you've lost everything because
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like this up here is so important so it was kind of like it wasn't it wasn't
01:13:13
embarrassing but it was like okay it's time to reach out and to get some help
01:13:17
so I saw a hypnotherapist because my mom and she felt like a hypnotherapist would be best
01:13:24
could they get you in like a they get you to meditate and they get you in a state to like talk to like your other
01:13:28
mind and it was really really helpful and she got me into like meditating and that and she's amazing like and she
01:13:35
helped me get me to like my last Nationals and not kind of freak out or you know have a could panic attacks can
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be scary cuz it's like you don't know when they could happen and they can just
01:13:44
happen and you know they are they can be scary but it was kind of like taking control of my mind again and that was
01:13:50
really important and like she's great so I think like I when this first starts
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happening I think with anyone if you deal with something like that it's see someone talk to someone because if you
01:14:02
keep putting it back it will genuinely just get worse and it was just annoy like it would piss me off so much I'd
01:14:08
even be driving and I'd be thinking the most stupid stuff like oh I could just
01:14:13
pass out by the wheel right now and I could just crash like just such unhelpful thoughts I've never had so
01:14:18
it's so important to reach out and to get help because you know you can't live
01:14:22
your life like that so I very thankful for like my hypnotherapist but apart from that I was always pretty Fick
01:14:29
skinned and with school and stuff I was I was pretty good I've been pretty lucky
01:14:33
but obviously with my sister with dealing with her issues I think I was more 50% more at risk maybe I think if a
01:14:41
family member has dealt with bad mental health but it um so far so good yeah so honestly so far so good but I'm not
01:14:48
perfect and like I said I had to reach out to like a therapist but you know like I said if you lose your mind you
01:14:54
lose everything see this thing up here is so powerful and sometimes it thinks like unnecessary unhelpful stuff but
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it's just all about you know you talk back to it and you're just like well
01:15:05
sometimes you can be like why am I thinking this like come on and I think the big one for me is like if I'm going
01:15:10
to go out it's like make sure I've eaten enough food taking care of my body you
01:15:14
know listen to my body and then it's like okay I can go out now but it's um
01:15:17
it's a real thing I think just got to speak up and yeah 100% but it's a nor
01:15:23
it's natural so and do you where do you see yourself in say 5 years 10 years
01:15:27
from now so I'm actually doing my real estate license at the moment so I'm
01:15:32
trying to get my real estate license cuz if I don't if you know I might not want
01:15:37
to sell houses but it's just good to educate myself I guess on real estate and could obviously I'm in the property
01:15:43
Market a little bit so I think it'd be great to have like a successful business running and 5 years
01:15:52
might still be doing only fans might not but kids could what i' be like 27 28 maybe
01:15:59
kids I don't know I'm not putting like a time frame on it I think like when
01:16:02
you're younger you're like I want kids when I'm 24 and I want to be married by
01:16:05
25 but then when you actually get to that age you're like oh like you know I'm not ready for that especially when
01:16:10
my siblings have kids now it's like what like it's like you can't have them and
01:16:16
then change your mind no no that that's great actually I can enjoy being an auntie and not having to deal with doing
01:16:22
the bloody diapers and all that but yeah I think just like hopefully running a successful business and you know might
01:16:29
still be doing only fans might not um 100% you will it's going to be too hard
01:16:34
to turn you back on that isn't it well it it could be hard but I think if I've
01:16:37
got someone something else going that's financially supporting me the same but
01:16:41
if not more then I think like why not but you I you just never know I think I'm very big with thinking in the
01:16:48
present no like well not present gosh thinking right now and just one step one step forward cuz we can get a little bit
01:16:56
overwhelmed cuz I can be like oh my God you know I can't do only fans forever
01:16:59
this is so scary one step at a time but yeah hopefully successful business owner
01:17:04
still heavy I'd love to actually be a big investor have what 20 30 properties
01:17:09
and just be living off that income but I think yeah even I was thinking I could even do like maybe like a um gosh what
01:17:17
do you call it again um oh doing like a course for only fans I think for people who want to step in more my Direction
01:17:26
with only fans not go that full extent with like pornography I think that could be cool to kind of educate girls
01:17:32
especially kind of with O and all that so that could be something but like a content creator sort of course like yeah
01:17:40
maybe like if you're looking more to go into Olf and that cuz like I'm I'm
01:17:45
somewhat a content creator but I'm not I wouldn't say I'm so much oh you are you
01:17:49
are yeah I just don't like why why don't you like that title I think when I was
01:17:52
younger I'd get invited to launches and I think think the the demographics of
01:17:56
the influencers were just Rich upbringing and not polite and I just didn't want to associate with that like
01:18:03
when I was 14 I think I was going to like Bond Bondi Sans is a really successful
01:18:09
um yeah company and I remember going there actually and just like I just The Vibes just was like and the girls like
01:18:17
oh if you follow me I'll follow you back in there and it's just that's just not
01:18:20
really my vibe so I don't call myself a a like an influencer but I guess could
01:18:25
like somewhat say I think I've just got that Trauma from like growing up and
01:18:28
like seeing what girls would like then I was like I don't want to be like that so
01:18:32
yeah well whatever you want to call yourself you you're doing um exceptionally well for yourself like
01:18:37
you'd be in the top 1% of income earners in New Zealand uh for people your age
01:18:41
like say 18 to 24 demograph You' be in the top 0.001% like you're crashing it you're
01:18:48
doing so well thank you yeah yeah congratulations you proud of yourself like yeah I am proud of myself I think
01:18:55
I can tell you're ambitious yeah like I knew I didn't want to do like a normal
01:18:59
job and I always had self-belief like I've always had this feeling when I was
01:19:02
younger that I will always be healthy and find my way with money I think I've
01:19:07
never really overstressed with money and you know always just known good things will come to me I've just always
01:19:14
believed that it would annoy me because when I was swimming I was more sure that
01:19:18
I would be wealthy then I would be a good summer and it would piss me off when I was a child because I was like oh
01:19:23
my God I want to make Olympics but constantly I just always knew that I was going to be successful with money just
01:19:29
just random just always just know when I was younger and my dad would always say
01:19:32
to me like do you think this person works at pack and save or owns pack and save that was like a big thing that we
01:19:38
learned like being a business owner is so important because I think working the generic 9 to5 can be really hard and I
01:19:45
think a lot of people get trapped within that because obviously you want to make
01:19:48
money but it's just at the end of the day it's just you're working on a big
01:19:52
boss and earning them [ __ ] tons of money you're just slaving away I think your
01:19:56
time is so valuable and it's just it's it's hard to see you know with that and
01:20:01
um but I think yeah like I'm I'm pretty proud of myself but at the end of the
01:20:07
day I'm just I'm making good money in that but your health is your greatest W
01:20:10
from that and yeah I'm proud but it's um there's more important things to me than
01:20:15
money I think the main thing is just having a healthy family healthy relationship and just keeping myself in
01:20:21
like good shape that's the main one money is great and it does Sol a few problems but I still get you know upset
01:20:27
you know it's just it does help me but it's it's not everything it's not it's
01:20:32
not the what the the answer to all your problems you know I think well I actually saw yeah can I just say like
01:20:40
when when someone that's got lots of money sees that it's like okay always I
01:20:44
know people were like shut up no no no but it's fair enough I agree though cuz you're you're from the UK
01:20:50
your accent for someone that moved to is still quite strong eh well people think
01:20:54
think when I me Aussie well people think I'm Australian maybe because of what I
01:20:58
look like obviously generic blonde girl but people think I'm Australian South
01:21:03
African kiwi I get all sorts of stuff but I've got I've got weird tangs yeah
01:21:08
but what um I was going Sly with this so the like English has got that very well-known sort of class system so like
01:21:14
where where was your family in that so like um like middle class or my my dad actually grew up what in a state is it
01:21:23
state house or yeah housing or so he wasn't he wasn't wealthy and like his
01:21:28
parents always like you've got to eat all your food otherwise there's no food
01:21:32
like there's there's nothing else and he'd get yeah he definitely grew up in a
01:21:36
rough part I think like in South London or something I think Mom was a bit more privileged but where would Mom Mom and
01:21:42
Dad sit I reckon like slightly below like middle class we honestly like like I said like my first car was a Nissen
01:21:49
March like that was when we um moved to Oakland my that was originally my dad's
01:21:54
car my dad was like Nissan March great car you know and I actually had to pay my parents for that Bloody car I paid
01:21:59
them like a grand and like my parents actually brought me up quite strict like I remember I was going to training and I
01:22:05
had my phone in my pocket and my phone fell out and obviously that was my like my lifeline when I was 14 and I was
01:22:10
taking Instagram photos and I didn't have like iCloud backup so I lost all those photos and I was like oh Mom Dad
01:22:16
can I get a new phone no you got to go to work you're going to go work with your sister for a month so I was just
01:22:22
like I had to go into um F into the city with my sister and work for a month and
01:22:26
I had to like take Staples that of like paper and stuff it was like but I've
01:22:30
always been brought up to Value money and respect money I think you can definitely abuse money a lot but I never
01:22:37
grew up never grew up privileged never like I stand by that I did not grow up privilege at all oh good for you no no
01:22:44
handouts or nothing I can tell yeah yeah no yeah self-made yeah I would say I would definitely say self that's why
01:22:51
it's so important give back to Mom and Dad now obviously like there's any other
01:22:54
people in worse situations you know in like third world countries and that like we are very lucky with what we have but
01:23:02
I think in comparison to a lot of other people I didn't we didn't have it super
01:23:05
easy you know so and I had to like I said I was 14 I lost my phone it was like no free phone for Mom and Dad it
01:23:11
was like you work for a whole month yeah it was yeah yeah why you yeah when you showed them the Caravan you should have
01:23:18
said you guys can't have this yeah yeah you you work for me for a month before
01:23:22
you get the carav honestly I haven't forgiven them for that yet gosh hey well Phoebe Harris thank you so
01:23:28
much for coming around today thanks for being so open I I um do as much research
01:23:32
as what I can for these chats um I couldn't find any other podcast you've
01:23:36
been on so I do really appreciate you coming around here today and also being so open about about some really um
01:23:42
uncomfortable things to talk about yeah you know it's been great and it's like I
01:23:45
said I've I've been wanting to do a podcast for a while but just been waiting for the right one so it's good
01:23:50
to come to come on here and just explain what my life and kind of like what I'm
01:23:56
up to now and stuff cuz my life has changed a lot since 2020 so I think I did a swimming podcast and like lockdown
01:24:02
or something but it was all like I wasn't doing o or anything it was all s related but no it's good it's great to
01:24:07
be here and hopefully it can let you know show people what I what I do and stuff and that it is cool and and all
01:24:17
that but at the end day it's just money it's health is the greatest wealth
01:24:21
that's a very big one 100% well I appreciate it well than you everything it's going to you yeah thank you so much
01:24:27
for that