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[Music] Paul Henry welcome to my podcast it's quite exciting Dom is it I you you are a dream guest
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for me an absolute Dream well you know I don't want it to turn into a nightmare I
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mean the thing is the one of the things is you've been trying to get me on for a
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long long time have you seen all the messages yep yep I don't think don't
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think just because I haven't replied to them I didn't see them um but the thing
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is it's not that I'm playing hard to get I just never wanted to come on um but
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the thing is the longer you want to get me on then I come on then you say something like this is a dream to get
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you on because it's been so hard but in reality it's just Paul Henry no but I
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I've um by the way I've got a lot of a lot of cards here with a lot of notes on
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and um well and the um your cards personalized cards you've personalized them and but then I I listen to every
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other podcast you've been on from what I can together it's which is not many be
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fair one with cie Flyn one with Paula Bennett one with Max Key and between two be Oh no you're right you're right and
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Max Key asked you um what it takes to be a good broadcaster and you said you said
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be yourself then you told a story about um having three questions really for for
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each interview you did and I like yeah you should actually only need three right you know because you because I
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mean fundamentally with an interview you know how long it's going to be it's
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different if it's like something like this long form or even something that's
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pre-recorded but most of the stuff I was doing was live and so you realize that you've got a fixed amount of time so you
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have three Journey questions which basically form the backbone of the interview um and then the trick is to
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actually listen and that is what distinguishes a a good interviewer from a bad CU most interviewers actually
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don't listen to the answers they go in knowing what answer they want to get oh
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and for those of you not watching I've just had a wine poured for me Cheers Cheers which was your idea I want to
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point out there are people in my life who think I may be straying into over drinking territory alcoholism well you
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well well again your word not mine actually your word's not mine in your book in your book um I'm in a United
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State you sort of uh it's almost like you're internally wondering whether
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you've got an alcohol problem not yeah and I don't I don't have an alcohol
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problem in fact for some bizarre reason I'm drinking slightly less than I did
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for a while um it might just be old age but um I think in that book I I mentioned my father's definition of an
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alcoholic someone who needs a drink yeah so he said that that people are are often um confused by how much they drink
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so so you know if you drink x amount you're an alcoholic he said that's not
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it he said you don't have to drink a lot to be an alcoholic the definition is do
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you ever need a drink and if you as opposed to want one and if you actually need a drink at any time then in his
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mind you're an alcoholic he needed a drink once a day so you're you're a a daily Drinker Mo
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most days do you have alcohol free days yeah I do I do and that's important so
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I'm I'm going to give you this advice for free now or this knowledge for free
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and it cost me a lot because I've got a doctor in Beverly Hills who charges an
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absolute Fortune um and she said it's better not to drink any alcohol at all
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um but she said to me if you could have two alcohol-free days a week it will make a huge difference particularly if
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they are consecutive days so she said the benefit of having two consecutive days is probably the equivalent to
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having three alcohol three days a week if they're consecutive as opposed to like a Monday and a Thursday yeah so I
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always try and have two consecutive alcohol free days right but and then on the days you do drink like like a bottle
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y or into the second no very very seldom and also um I'm one of those drinkers
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who very seldom has anything other than Wine on a wine drinking day so I might have a Jin I love Jin um I might have a
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Jin but I wouldn't I wouldn't have a wine so my sort of Maximum alcohol intake in a day would be one bottle of
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wine and it would be at the moment a maximum really to be honest 4 days a week right well that's good going so
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I've dropped it back and you'll notice an interesting thing in all this time
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like you poured the drink and we said cheers but I haven't yet drunk any cuz
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it's all part of the magic mag magic of wine because now because here's the
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thing it was sitting in the bottle with the lid on it this is probably boring you'll probably cut this out but it was
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sitting in the bottle with the lid on it and just seeing it there was enough to satisfy you know I had the knowledge
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that he's going to open this wine in a minute and then you did and there was
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that lovely noise of the screw C then you poured it and I got a SL with now I'm smelling
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it and like I've started to enjoy it already I'm savoring it already and I
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haven't yet sipped it oh well that seems like a healthy relationship with alcohol
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I'm constantly evaluating mine my relationship that's because you're
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obsessed with health aren't you you know you're obsessed I I because I had a
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little look at your bookshelf on the way in um and you have I think an unnatural an unnatural interest in your
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your physique and what you put into your body I think yeah part of it I think is
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Vanity I like the way how I look but I figure it's it's good for you in other
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aspects of your life that you're honest about it I think I think a lot of it's
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vanity for most people um but yeah I don't know i' I've managed to avoid you
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know eating well or doing any exercise for 63 years yeah you you yeah you you say that I've heard you heard you say
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that of um and I shouldn't take pride in it either because I know it's better to
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be healthy but you are healthy right guess like you're you're you're not um
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you're not you're not D you're not overweight um you're very active you're
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fit even if it's not through to it I'm I'm I'm not very active but I am act
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when I need to be active no no what what I mean is you can go on your boat and go
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from I know it's not sailing it's just on a boat but you know regardless of
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what the conditions are on a boat you can sail from Fiji to New Zealand no absolutely absolutely and I can sort of
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carry my weight you know I'm a little I've always been a little bit overweight
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um but I'm okay with that you know I'd rather look different but not much
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different and the effort to go in the effort I would need to put in to look a little bit different I'm not prepared to
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do it I love it hey by by the way um you said you probably chop this but out um I
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don't I don't chop anything anything out of these um unless it's at the request
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of say yourself or my public sister sitting here she's very worried because I really I really don't care what I say
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know but and so I need minders I feel like you've been you've been that way
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since um maybe 2010 was was there a point in your life or career that you that you got what you
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considered [ __ ] you money and we you just didn't care anymore you know someone can fire you and it's not going
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to change your life I've never cared even when it was important to me um you
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know money uh you know earning money it was necessary I've never cared I've
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never looked over my shoulder at whether or not what I'm about to do or what I
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did would would lose me my income um I've just never I've always thought to myself I don't
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want to be here if you don't want me here and I don't want to be here if I
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can't just be myself and that there in lies the the there in lies a couple of benefits
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actually one I think you're a better broadcaster of yourself if you're honest
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and two it's so much easier oh yeah cuz you don't get caught up in a lie about something and also
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Imagine particularly in the situation that like I know we've both been in where you're on air for hours and hours
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5 days a week live television live radio um you know if you're having to you know have a fake
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persona for that amount of time I mean that that would take its toll it's much
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easier just to go in and be yourself I think there's a lot of people in broadcasting though that um that do have
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like a fake persona and it's generally like a a nice guy or a nice person Persona then when you meet them you're
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disappointed whereas you you um no one who ever meets you would say a bad word about you like you're you're very you're
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very charming and you're very likable um you I try to be and the funny thing is I
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I must genuinely be like that because I really don't care I really don't care
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whether people like me or not and I don't the comments that I get for the things that I do whether they're good or
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bad I I wouldn't like people to to be indifferent towards me would I well they're not so it doesn't matter
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Ian I think I would much rather people feel very strongly either positively or negatively than be indifferent um but
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yeah I've never really cared I've never really and again how much easier is that
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well for me I I was um I was from a background of music radio which is vastly different to talk radio but I I
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you know I studied broadcasting it at sort of quite great length to try and figure out what makes someone good and I
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think you are definitely one of the greats and it's probably the three hes actually Henry homes and hosing and one
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thing that all three of you had in common even though you're all very different broadcasters is you're all
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quite polarizing yes yeah yeah absolutely because I think if you're going to I think you almost have to be
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because if you are true to yourself then people will know what you're about so
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for instance they'll know your religion uh more or less they'll certainly know
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your politics if you're Hest and of course in a especially in a country like
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New Zealand I mean and it's true in many other countries but especially in New
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Zealand um people are not very tolerant of opposing political views um you know even within families people are not very
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tolerant of opposing political views so of course that is immediately going to polarize people um but but I always said
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when I polarize people I polarize them so much that they still want to watch to have their prejudices against me
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reinforced hate watching yeah yeah oh God he said it again I knew he was going to say that what an [ __ ] [ __ ] okay
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jeez sh there's so so much to get through it's um you know okay I'll do
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short answers okay no no no I don't want to I don't want to T anyway it's funny
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though because you have long form interviews like podcast which are are fantastic I think yeah because um but
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how do you make money out of them sponsorship but is there enough sponsorship it's getting there in the in
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the first year I started it I I reckon I took a 90% pay c cap from what I was getting in morning radio y now it's um
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year three it's up to almost the same amount wow really yeah there must very
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few people in your position though doing podcast I mean so many people do podcasts and it's you still have to get
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cut through the advantage you had of course is you had a so you had a following but it just
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always amazes me that there are because there are so many people doing things for nothing and you know just desperate
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to get an audience without actually thinking of monetizing it whereas do it properly and actually you've got to be
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able to monetize it you got to be able to get by absolutely you do absolutely so good for you hey thanks very much um
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and yeah I wasn't um joking before as you know from my DMs you are like a a dream guest and I'm it's such an honor
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that you're here today um I thought we could talk about a couple of current things and then we'll we'll go back and
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we'll bounce around through the Paul Henry story yeah yeah um so tritus uh first of all uh congratulations like the
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new season I've seen a couple of episodes I loved it um I caught up with a mutual friend of ours Andrew
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Schusterman on on the weekend for a drink he he told me episode three is insane yeah it's killer insane why am
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what you know the thing that I'm pleased about with it is that it genuinely is
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world class and you obviously we don't have a world-class budget um you know
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it's part of a franchise the Traders franchise and you know you look at the English who are spending millions and
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millions of pounds more than we are spending on a 12 episode series um but ours is very very comparable to theirs I
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mean we we it's really good it is world class on a New Zealand and a healthy New
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Zealand budget I me we spent a lot of money on it but in New Zealand standards we spent a lot of money on it it's a
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it's a it's a great show um yeah it's so interesting he it's just um that sort of
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herd mentality like someone will say something about another person and then it just gathers momentum yeah but what
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um well and that the thing that I love about it because I came out of retirement to do it it sort of fitted
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that very narrow criteria that I said I would you know when I left um when I retired I said I'm never again going to
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do daily weekly or monthly work um but if the right project came along that I could you know concentrate on and work
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hard on for a short period of time uh I would do it and it just the format that when I saw you know when they offered it
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to me um I watched the English one and I thought God You' you'd be a [ __ ] not to
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say yes to to hosting this um and it's hard work and I hate doing it but I love
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having done it do you know what I mean have you have you done things like that where you can honestly say the doing it
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is really hard but having done it is a great sense of satisfaction you're so
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pleased and I'm at the point now where I'm doing I'm in post production for the
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second second half um and I really enjoy that you know uh but but the actual taping of it is um yeah and for anyone
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that hasn't hasn't seen it so you're the you're the you're the host or the ring
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Master whatever you want to call it and you're sort of you're playing yourself
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but it's very much an exaggerated version of yourself it's an acting an acting role yeah is is that who you'd
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love to be um it's well it's very um I suppose in a way it's the opposite of
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what I was saying before be yourself but it's it's me being it's an exaggerated
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vers an exaggerated version of myself yeah and so for instance the clothes that I wear there a lot of them are my
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clothes but I wouldn't normally wear them in that sort of combination or or all the time which I
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do in the program yes um and I love that because I love theater you know I've
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always loved theater um I'm I'm a frustrated actor always have been got started working at the BBC originally
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when I was very young because I needed money and I I discovered that like like everyone else that was there um I was a
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frustrated actor and you were working at the BBC because they actually paid you a
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salary rather than working for a theater where you may or may not get work what why are you so anti-work because I've
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sort of found from my I'm probably projecting here but from my personal experience if there's something that I'm
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very good at I generally enjoy it or at least enjoy it more you well I'm much older than you I've
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done it for longer I'm older than you you know not considerably though I suppose suppose not um but I don't know
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I just think you know job well done I'm job well done you know what I mean I I
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mean like I a lot of people a lot of people seem to think particularly in our industry that the mark of success is to
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die doing it I think to a large extent that's actually the mark of failure you
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know isn't success saying gee I I did really well at that I'm really happy
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with the way I did that I I said yes to all of these amazing opportunities that I was given and then was given better
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opportunities and started to say no and thought no I'm moving on there are other
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things because you do realize and you must surely realize this but I think a lot of broadcasters don't that actually
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apart from the people you're entertaining today you're not making a difference you know you're actually not
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making it's a bit of pill to swallow but I've always said I could go back on talk back
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radio tomorrow and just recap shows that I did 20 years ago and the same callers
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you know or their next generation will phone up and say the same bloody things moan about the same thing you know what
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actually changes yeah but you but you're very good at it that's do you do you
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think you've got um like it I'm 51 I'm at an age where it was never diagnosed
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so you definitely would be as well but do you think there's like of ADHD in oh
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god well we're all on the Spectrum aren't we yeah I agree we're all on the
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Spectrum like I said in in in which book was it I think an outraged um I mean everyone very few people are black and
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white if any right so take homosexuality right um my viewers that that's just a
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spectrum that we're all on um and some people are more to one extreme than another but
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I mean in in fact in in my second book outraged I had a graph so 50% was entirely homosexual right one
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and and then at the Other Extreme you had entirely entirely um heterosexual uh and and we're all somewhere on that
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spectrum and so we are as well on emotionally and in every other way and I mean that's what makes that's
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why every single person is different yeah cuz the different combinations are almost Limitless almost Limitless
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absolutely so so you do you do the the traitors um you've also got the Henry
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Spirit as well e Jen yeah like is that a passion project yeah it's well it's I'm
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not passionate about it you know what I'm gonna be honest I'm GNA be honest I'm I do find it hard to
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be passionate about very many things now and I think that's healthy as well sad
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isn't it no no it's not no cuz I've been passionate about things and now I just
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really like things that I used to be passionate about but that's not a bad thing it's because you know you you've
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been there and you've done that so here's what the Gin is the Gin was an
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interest and I thought I bet I could do that because I've got a fabulous taste
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buds um but if I'm going to do it I I I just want it to be really really good I
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I want to know that it is the best gin there is or at least equal to the best gin there is um but because I wasn't
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passionate about having a huge Gin Company or selling a huge amount you have to cut Corners cuz I mean how was I
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going to sell it I didn't want to do advertising or anything like that so so
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so where I cut Corners was in the bottles and what I've discovered and had I not done this I wouldn't have
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discovered it the singly most important thing with Spirits is the bottle now a lot of people will be
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listening to this and also watching it and instantly you want to jump in and say well that can't be true you know but
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that's the buying decision the buying decision is what you know and I'm talking about a spirit you haven't tried
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before so if you're going to try a spirit you haven't tried what are the
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decisions the labels are a little bit important what you've heard about it it's a little bit important where it is
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on the Shelf is quite important but nothing individually is more important than the container it's in it's
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literally judging a book by its Cav really it literally is and when you think about it I mean take Jen as an
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example there's so bloody much and if you've got one that you like why would
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you take a risk especially with a Jin like the Henry which is at the low end of expensive Jens you know if there's a
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really cheap J that you haven't seen before and you love Jen just buy a bottle you know but mine isn't that mine
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is at the low end of the expensive Gins and and so why when there's so much gin
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in you know the ones you like would you try a different J because you'd go [ __ ]
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look at that bottle you know and the label a little bit but it's the bottle so anyway I'm working on that now with
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my Distributors so but but is it a passion project no is it something I'm interested enough to do a little bit
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towards yes and what I know is my God it tastes fabulous I I didn't bring a bottle in and I should have brought a
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bottle in but see and that's another thing I don't want to be the guy that
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just goes around spooking his own J you know because this would have been a perfect place and thank you for talking
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about it this will be cut out um but but but no it's um I I don't want to be that
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guy that you know if people buy my Jin they will realize when they taste it as long as they like the cuz you know you
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have to like cherries to enjoy the Cherry J you have to like watermelon to enjoy the watermelon J but I
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know someone will say oh well I quite like the Bombay Sapphire you know and in the back of my mind I know how it's made
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and I'm happy for someone to say I like that more than yours because what they're saying is that taste appeals to
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me or more likely I've been drinking it for a long time and so that to me is gin
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you know so the more it tastes like that the better I like it but I am I can I'm
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quite happy for people to say I don't like the taste of it because I know how
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good it is technically I know how good it is you know well what are you passionate about now and what does an
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average day look like what what gets you out of beard in the morning do you know I can honestly not
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answer that but something I can't answer that because something happens at about
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4:00 a.m. and I get up and maybe it's because like you I've worked early in
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the morning for so long but what gets me out of bed in the morning is the inability to stay in bed any longer you
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I'm I'm awake at 4: every morning and sometimes I just get straight up and do
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all kinds of little things like I pay bills or I just do a little bit on answer emails or I I don't I'm making it
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up because I literally don't know I literally don't know but I mean I love I
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mean I've got a a gorgeous wife I've got three gorgeous daughters um and I've got
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a small gaggle of friends but it's a very small gaggle of friends because I when it comes to relationships
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I'm very when I say relationships beyond my immediate family I'm very very lazy
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like how many times over the years will I have said to you God we seriously must
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catch up and I know everyone says that but when I say it I absolutely 100% know I'll never do it I'm exactly the same
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but I feel like there um the well how many apart from your how many really close friends would you
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say you had oh I've got a very very tight small circle like maybe half a dozen a handful of friends I feel like
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you've got probably got more than no that would be more than me but not many
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more than me I've probably got you know in terms of really really good friends
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I've got three or four um but I still don't put much effort them but a really
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good friend you shouldn't have to put much the funny thing is I say that but
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that's like a copout thing to say the fact is if they're really good friends
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you should be prepared to put an effort and I just I don't know I I don't know
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about you but I am I'm very good company to myself you know I really do enjoy downtime you know I can be on my
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own for ages and and I'll think you I'll go I've got a farm up north and I'll go
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up there and my wife laughs about it you know she'll say to me I think you need
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to go to the farm and and I'll go up there and literally at the end of the day a day where I have done nothing like
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nothing at theend I mean I've maybe lifted a moved a few books around not read just moved a few books around with
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the intention of putting them in a nice pile so that I can sit down and read them but right at the minute I don't
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have time because is I've got to look out the window and I'll get to the end
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of a day and I think where did the time go just does though doesn't it just does
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so who who who who is you in a circle who are your friends a what would I say I probably
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wouldn't no but like in your book you talk about your relationship with um John Key and Michael Hill and uh John on
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Instagram you talked about Sam Hunt John key is probably my number one friend right really likees yeah yeah well now
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you're asking me not him if you ask him he might say um oh yeah I know Paul you
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know whereas he's he's pretty close to my best friend probably is my best
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friend how did that relationship start was that through a brickfest interview when he was like leader of nation I
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suppose it was it was just it just developed yeah just bed yeah yeah and we just I mean we will talk on the phone
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about absolute shite for long periods of time you know it's just which is which
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is the mark of a of a best friend but I mean you know I I yeah it's a tin it's a handful you
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know it's a little handful of so I don't know that we're best friends cuz I mean
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you know I know he likes me but for all I know right now as we're speaking he
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could be on the phone with someone else talking a load of shite well no you must
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be pretty good friends cuz yeah the story in your book you talk about um being on your boat in Europe together
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somewhere around Europe together where was it like Croatia or somewhere yeah yeah yeah yeah so I a boat is a very
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confined space so if he's going over there to spend time with you on your boat that's yeah but we frequently just
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jump in jump in and and do death defying Feats because I think there's a sort of
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rivalry you know I don't know if you always have that you probably do because
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you're very sporty I'm not sporty um but we have this weird rivalry that
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we never talk about together but we sort of set challenges that are always slightly beyond our ability and then do
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them like sometimes swims like ludicrous swim dangerous oh you talking about book you
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say it's like 100 miles I'm I'm imagining 15 20 me but you know the thing is you you throw waves and show
00:26:46
that that the one we're talking about that I mentioned in the book was in the
00:26:49
Caribbean uh in an area which is known for great white sharks and it was not a calm day and boats are always a lot for
00:26:58
further away than you think you know they are a lot further away the currents the waves
00:27:04
anyway silly things do do have you got any friends that you um that you can talk to about serious stuff are you good
00:27:11
at talk about serious stuff no no no and and I know you're into that whole Men's
00:27:16
Health thing and all of that not spirituality but perilously bloody close um and that's just not me I'm just not
00:27:24
into that and it's not that I'm oldfashioned because I realize that the stoic old way is no I'll just sit here
00:27:29
and die quietly um but I I just you know that whole and you've got a lot of books
00:27:34
a lot of those sort of Mambi pambi wishy washy not Mambi pambi wishy washy no but
00:27:41
it's it's good to okay maybe you're up to something you know oh I just spend
00:27:47
more time looking at Clouds really oh jeez um I had a cat here about your early years but now that now that
00:27:56
I'm um a half a tum of wine I don't know it just seems I love that word Tumbl
00:28:01
Tumbl it's your word and it's very it's very it's very European I mean they've
00:28:06
all gone into tumblers now anything with a stem's gone by the way you you you use
00:28:10
the word Tumblr in your book in reference to pouring yourself a wine in the in the Cory lounge and it's yeah no
00:28:16
one's giving thems a restaurant por of the cor loue are they you no no one no
00:28:20
one because everyone in the back of their mind are thinking [ __ ] I paid a fortune to be in here it's not free I've
00:28:25
paid a fortune yeah and once I get on that plane it's like they're going to
00:28:28
going a ration out little drink well they don't ration it where I fly um but
00:28:33
even so you've got limited time yeah limited time AB Li time okay um so we skipp your early years um yeah
00:28:41
because everyone knows that yeah every everyone who cares knows it and I mean it was interesting but it's a long time
00:28:47
ago yeah we've got to look forward yeah so um early career though CU I'm I'm
00:28:51
trying to think it feels like you you got quite famous quite late yes I did yeah so you were foreign Cor and you did
00:28:58
some TV because I did a lot of stuff that I was interested in and and I and I wasn't I was never discovered I just
00:29:05
sort of put myself in positions and I I would always just naturally assume I could do anything that I well anything
00:29:14
yeah from your mom Olive that's how yeah I just naturally assumed I yeah exactly
00:29:17
and I naturally assumed I could do it um normally people don't say can you do it
00:29:22
they assume the mere fact that you've you're sitting there means that you can
00:29:25
do it so you've take that box um but I was discovered if you like by uh I was doing just trying to think I
00:29:37
think I was doing breakfast at Pacific uh radio Pacific was it with Pam cery or no I did do breakfast with Pam CER but
00:29:45
but I but I did breakfast with a range of people there um and on my own for a while um
00:29:51
but um God I'm just trying to remember his name you know Bill Rolston mhm who was the head of news and current
00:30:00
affairs at tvnz he said a um do you want to come out for lunch so we went out for
00:30:07
lunch television New Zealand had just introduced that maximum $100 bottle wine forid L you laugh and I laugh it's just
00:30:17
so ludicrous isn't it like like don't put a maximum price on the lunch and don't put a maximum number
00:30:24
of bottles just put a maximum price on each bottle you know isn't that so television New Zealand anyway they just
00:30:31
put this thing on so so Bill had discovered there there were a couple of places that had really good wines and
00:30:36
maximum was like $100 or something and there were really good wines at about $99.90 um and and so we had this very
00:30:46
very boozy lunch and um then he offered me breakfast so I did that and that I suppose that maybe there's a little bit
00:30:56
of Truth in the fact that do you remember that how's life was Charlotte dawon I was going to bring that up I
00:31:01
thought like for me I think that was the moment cuz I'd um heard the name Paul
00:31:05
Henry uh mainly doing like foreign correspondent crosses and you've got a very recognizable voice and very
00:31:11
articulate almost and kiwi sounding very English sort of sounding voice yes and then um yeah there was it was like a
00:31:18
5:30 show on TV1 or TV3 like a TV1 TV1 it was before the news was TV3 even going then probably I can't even
00:31:25
remember what year early 2000s yes I was sh was the H read out problem NS right yes that's right yeah it was that whole
00:31:31
it was like Beauty and the Beast um only it was just a panel of rotating panel of
00:31:36
people and and I was the I don't know the cantankerous sort of honest one the
00:31:42
one that didn't do all the research like a lot of those people we'd record a few
00:31:47
programs uh at the same time and um I wasn't in them all but I I was in quite
00:31:52
I was quite regular um and and some of them would do so much research search you know well here's a number you can
00:32:00
phone and you know I mean they could all find the numbers themselves you know what they wanted was to hear honest
00:32:06
opinion and so I wouldn't read the letters in advance so you know I well what I mean is I just read it I wouldn't
00:32:14
dwell on it and then when it was read out on thing I'd give my give my opinion
00:32:20
and just my opinion because I figured that was the thing you got five five people and Charlotte dwson you should
00:32:25
just give your view and I was very forthright there was one time when this woman was
00:32:30
being terrorized by a husband or something like that and everyone and this was the last letter just before one
00:32:35
news and so Judy Bailey and Richard long are sort of sitting there all ready to go watching this thing play out you know
00:32:42
um and right at the end of it Charlotte came to me and uh said you know what would you do and I said I'd poison
00:32:51
him I would put poison in his food and gradually watch him die and when the news
00:32:59
started you could see Judy Bailey With Tears In Her Eyes just cuz they'd never heard anything
00:33:08
like that on air before cuz so and too good never suggested anyone was poisoned yeah so was was that sort of
00:33:15
um not like a an epiphany in terms of a moment but that sort of period was it a time where you thought okay I'm actually
00:33:22
more valuable if I'm giving more of myself away rather than just like you know reciting facts or news I don't know
00:33:30
I mean in hindsight maybe that is true I don't think I ever thought it you know
00:33:34
because I I don't know I've never really made anything of an effort no with my career you know I've
00:33:42
never for a start I've never seen it as a career it's a collection of jobs that
00:33:45
have been all Loosely in one industry um but okay well when from your career I mean here's a
00:33:54
thing so many people talk to me about doing so many things kite flying you know this industry it's
00:34:00
all full of kite flying and what does kite flying mean just hot air [ __ ] yeah and sometimes it's just you know oh
00:34:10
we've got this idea for a program would you be interested in it um and I never
00:34:14
say the death Words which are tell me more about it I never say that I just say oh yeah come back to me when it's a
00:34:20
deal you know and it's never a deal well sometimes it is like traitors is an
00:34:24
example but so many people you know we've got this idea you'd be perfect for
00:34:28
it you know it's an idea are yeah yeah cuz I've never known anyone that's had
00:34:32
an idea before and and in this industry everyone's got a thousand ideas yeah I
00:34:38
said my my girlfriend I say that to her all the time she'll be like d That's
00:34:41
that Call's really exciting I'm like oh is it though like it's is it it's not a
00:34:45
deal until it's a deal you just can't count your chicken before they I I mean
00:34:49
you must be in the same situation like the number of times I would be frantically busy if if 1% of the things
00:34:57
that are picked to me or attempted to be pitched to me came came to fruition do what do you think you're just you're
00:35:04
naturally lazy like no I'm the opposite I'm the opposite but I'm very realistic
00:35:10
there's too much to do and I enjoy doing nothing so much and doing nothing is you know I watched an interesting I
00:35:18
don't know if you've seen Outlaws on Prime right there's a section in this
00:35:23
and it's in Bristol and I lived in Bristol for quite a few years with my mom when we were poor and that's one
00:35:29
thing that Drew me to it and it's funny because listening to the accents makes
00:35:32
me feel it's surprising how accents and voices you know get into your head and
00:35:37
it's the first time I've heard a lot of that th that sort of um sort of Somerset
00:35:42
type accent uh for a long time anyway they're they're on this walk right they
00:35:46
they this this walking group and one of the characters in it who's an activist
00:35:53
says oh we should um do something we're on these walks we should you know we
00:35:57
should somehow make money out of it or or make a point or maybe rather than just walking around like this we should
00:36:02
walk on Parliament or we should you know and this woman says why don't we just
00:36:07
enjoy the walk and this other woman can't get that this other woman just thinks well well where are we going well
00:36:17
we're just going to end up where we were at the beginning well what but what's
00:36:20
the point in that what's the purpose you know we're expending this energy surely
00:36:25
we could take the energy we're expending now and also walk but walk with a purpose and and this other woman just
00:36:31
not why can't we just enjoy the walk you know and that's what I do I enjoy the
00:36:37
walk without walking that makes sense okay so so early in your career you owned a radio station in masterton yeah
00:36:45
uh yes to FM yeah in carterton yeah basically so is is that where is that where you sort of made your money or did
00:36:52
you sort of make your money like in real terms like when breakfast came along is
00:36:56
that when when did you get like okay so I have I have um I've I've always spent wisely I've
00:37:05
always invested wisely and I've always had an above average income um sometimes way above average um
00:37:16
and that that's what's that's what's provided reasonably well for my
00:37:22
family you know that that just being smart with the money that you earn yeah and not like crazy smart
00:37:28
but I've I've always bought and sold property in small ways um but I've
00:37:33
always had the backdrop of at the very least a substantially better than average income and sometimes like
00:37:41
considerably better than that um and and so you know that combination that's
00:37:46
meant that I've never needed to I've never needed to make money on investments so I've always been able to
00:37:54
allow my investments to make money and grow um because I've always had enough money
00:38:00
to squeeze and I haven't taken huge risks you know when I look back at the things that I could have taken risks on
00:38:09
um in your book you talk about buying media works but it was very cheap not what a
00:38:16
dollar could you buy it for a dollar and I didn't no but you don't need to buy
00:38:19
buy it for a dollar you can I very cheap well okay so here's the thing here's the thing you know you
00:38:26
think oh Med works it's worth well I mean what was their like the most recent
00:38:30
loss 10 and something million you know um and of course I was talking when I was talking about buy media works I
00:38:35
talking about the TV assets um which in the end were purchased by Warner Brothers Discovery for 20 20 something
00:38:42
million right they paid over the odds I wouldn't have paid that much but um you
00:38:48
know you don't need to have that money to buy it you just need to have a good
00:38:51
business plan and enough to pay towards it is is there such a thing as a good business plan for Media Company these
00:38:58
days um I mean this is 5 years ago you wrote I had a good business plan yeah um would it have been good enough because
00:39:06
here's the thing you know I mean I'm I'm going into the am show on Monday um it's
00:39:14
their last week right uh and they're probably all worried that they that they're not going to have jobs I mean
00:39:19
maybe they're not worried and they found other jobs and things like that but
00:39:22
there'll there'll be a level of agreement over it you know because you you'll have experienced this as well you
00:39:30
know in media the people in media have a inflated view of their Worth to the organization and no appreciation for the
00:39:39
fact that there are people that have actually got money on the line people who've actually invested money so as you
00:39:46
spend all this time sitting there thinking in an AG grieved way I should be paid more I need to go in and ask for
00:39:52
more money you don't spend one second thinking interestingly enough I have no
00:39:56
money invested in this bus and there are people that have and actually last year
00:40:00
we reported a $30 million loss you know and and so these people will think oh you know it's the last show and you know
00:40:08
we're great it's just a bloody breakfast show on just another Network you know
00:40:12
and the reason that they're not going to be on next week is because the people
00:40:16
who've been hemorrhaging money have decided to turn the tap off you know no big brother is making a bloody fortune
00:40:23
and running away with their Futures you know quite the opposite um and so I've always been very
00:40:29
realistic about that so coming back to your question because I don't know why
00:40:31
I'm talking about that um I I had I went to to Media works specifically to three with with a
00:40:42
plan to hopefully find them three good years because as we know the landscape's
00:40:49
changing here's another funny thing about the media like take your show your
00:40:52
podcast there were no podcasts what 10 years ago there were none none so there was no so the audience for podcasts were
00:41:01
were somewhere else probably on free to Air television or radio or somewhere or buying records or something like that
00:41:08
and so all of these Networks TV and Zed media Works they were starting other platforms and they were encouraging
00:41:15
people to go on the other platforms while simultaneously saying oh my God where are the viewers going do you know
00:41:21
what I mean like like if you if you look at Warner Brothers like they actually started other TV networks you know other
00:41:28
and oh my God the viewers where are they going well maybe they're going to these
00:41:31
other platforms because the the The Times They are a changing you know one of my neighbors in Palm Springs sent me
00:41:39
a photo yesterday they were at the pool and it was Twilight and they took a photo of
00:41:46
the lovely pool which has been there for years and years and the palm trees and all of my palm trees uh maybe I don't
00:41:52
know 30 years old and in the backrop the backdrop was the sky and there was a SpaceX rocket flying
00:42:00
past now only a few years ago you wouldn't see that and you wouldn't take
00:42:06
photos of it so why are there still people who think you should be able to take photos of SpaceX Rockets flying
00:42:12
past but no one should question the validity of the job that you're doing no
00:42:18
one should change any of that even although we're driving electric cars which will soon be Obsolete and you know
00:42:26
phone line are a thing of the P so everything can change but don't don't change the place
00:42:32
where we work do you think Legacy Media have had a sort of arrogance no I think they're incompetent
00:42:39
right I think it's incompetence no I really do I mean how like okay so you know the journalists who said and
00:42:47
I won't name them but I could publicly they were stupid enough to say we didn't
00:42:53
see this coming and yet they call themselves journalists year after year they report
00:43:00
multi-million doll losses they bemoon the loss of the audience they see and promote and at the
00:43:08
very least report on the proliferation of extra platforms but they didn't see
00:43:15
that coming I mean how and and this is not just the journalists management are exactly the same how could they not see
00:43:23
it coming when they were part of promoting the future and and so it's obsolete TV3
00:43:31
is obsolete so is TV and Z free to Air television is obsolete every single thing that's happened for the last
00:43:39
decade and a half has been showing the new way and some of those new things have already fallen by the wayside
00:43:47
because they've been replaced so to all of a sudden be surprised that programs are closing down
00:43:55
and networks are shutting news rooms down and things like that it's just beyond me it's beyond me that anyone is
00:44:01
surprised or even bothered by it you know I mean you know someone's saying someone says oh God news Hub is closed
00:44:09
down and then goes out and gets into their electric car and practically flies to wherever they're going you know or
00:44:15
doesn't go anywhere because all the food's delivered to their door or because their bloody fridge ordered food
00:44:21
for them and you expect still to be able to watch some stupid oldfashioned thing
00:44:26
how how do you consider most of your media these days what is that you just get pop-ups on your phone from the news
00:44:31
the day no internet I I I hunted down because I don't like popups right um but
00:44:37
still obviously you can't avoid them but yeah just just on on the on the uh you
00:44:42
know the iPad thing you know I mean it's just there isn't it whenever you want it
00:44:47
I mean seriously congregating around a television at 6:00 gather around the news is on sit up
00:44:54
straight you remember D shush us growing up yeah it's the news it's Julian
00:44:59
Richard sit up straight older than then I think it was Philip just Philip Philip Sher God he
00:45:05
was good wasn't he yeah he was fantastic South Pacific television do you remember
00:45:09
that and it had the eye do you remember that Philip Sherry always immaculately turned out beautiful diction and I
00:45:16
admire all of that there was a quality in that broadcasting but it is oldfashioned and its time is gone it's
00:45:22
gone yeah everything changes yeah nothing stays the same and everything should change
00:45:28
you know me you to people and it sounds like an old to say you talk to young people now and they I
00:45:36
mean television the word television why do we still use the word television it's exactly the same as say
00:45:43
I mean you say to a young person why have you been listening to the wireless you know that's that's like saying
00:45:48
television yeah it's just a what ises it now just a screen yeah just a screen
00:45:52
yeah yeah everything you consume is on screen isn't it um when people talk about traitors you know you know and and
00:45:59
and I still say you know we were we were taping it well we weren't taping it we
00:46:03
were filming it no we weren't filming it were we recording it no we weren't
00:46:07
recording it you know we don't we don't have we don't have tape we don't have
00:46:11
film you know and you think God really Everything's changed just the terminology soon you won't need me you
00:46:18
know you don't need hosts oh just cheaper to get an AI po Henry more reliable too yeah doesn't complain about
00:46:24
working then I can spend more time up the farm and just looking at things yeah but you
00:46:29
um does part of you feel sad about the the change though given TV's been such a
00:46:34
big part of your life and it's been so good to you and you've been good for it
00:46:38
do you know what I mean like I feel like you're part of it but I do when you get
00:46:41
to my age and you've done the things I've done you know you do realize how much of
00:46:47
what you've done is now not even not only is it not done but no one would even understand it I mean when I for a
00:46:54
period of time when I worked at the BBC I I worked and the um I was a I was a um
00:47:00
projectionist for David atenor I was a projectionist now I used 35mm film you know I was
00:47:08
projecting um Celluloid film uh which used to sweat nitroglycerin we had a film store that I used to go into I had
00:47:19
was one of the few people that had the key to get into the film store at the BBC under broadcasting house and it was
00:47:26
kept at this cold condition cold conditions and some of them were literally dripping nitroglycerin you had
00:47:34
to be so careful with this stuff it was so oldfashioned but we were still watching it on we had separate magnetic
00:47:40
tracks for the audio you had to line them up on the project I mean none of that none of that is around today and is
00:47:48
it bad that it's not around no you know I mean it might be nice novelty to have
00:47:52
an Old Edison Edison scroll or something in your living room very C but that's
00:47:57
all it is yeah and I mean all the things that replace that have now they're all
00:48:02
obsolete I remember for a while when I was a foreign correspondent I bought the latest state-of-the-art technology which
00:48:09
was the mini dis the quality was extraordinary I think minidis were around for like 18 months you know they
00:48:16
were almost superseded before the first machine was on the market I have minis as well yeah it was amazing cuz before
00:48:23
that we had like a little um like dictaphone or a little c Rec and then You Got Dat tapes do you remember the
00:48:29
DAT tapes yeah and then the digital audio tape was out and then all of a sudden the mini disc came out and I
00:48:34
thought oh God that's future proof I'll buy one of those that's so much better
00:48:39
than a DAT tape well L 18 months that was it yeah now now the voice member on your phone it does all that stuff it's
00:48:46
crazy so you um you got bre you you went on breakfast in 2004 look you've done the research okay
00:48:54
I not going to argue with 20 years ago it's a bloody time who you who with years ago was it with Alison Moore
00:49:00
firstly right yeah not Kate hawksby no no Kate Hawks hawksby had already moved on and I think prior to me Allison and
00:49:10
Mike were doing it right do you know I it doesn't even matter it doesn't even
00:49:15
matter so but I would say 201 I love that when it doesn't even matter no it doesn't I'm I'm off the hwk but 2010
00:49:23
2011 I feel like that was like Peak Peak Henry terms of the dangerousness of you
00:49:29
we had extraordinary viewership I mean extraordinary viewership um yeah it was just sometimes there's a moment in time
00:49:36
you know when everything comes together and that was one of them you know I mean
00:49:40
pppo was wonderful we worked so well together but and it wasn't work you know
00:49:46
we were so good together we sat on a couch well together you know um what's still hurat from all your other all your
00:49:54
other you know co-hosts or offsiders she was perfect yes and none of the others have been perfect some of them have been
00:50:01
really good some of them have been bloody terrible some of them have been really good but that it was and and
00:50:07
again it's not that she was perfect or I was perfect or the or TV and Zed was
00:50:12
Perfect Chemistry or it's just that moment in time and you can go through an
00:50:16
entire career without ever actually hitting that moment in time through no fault of your own but there was just
00:50:22
this moment in time where it all just jelled just came together yeah and I felt like at that time it was
00:50:30
just this level of unpredictability it was like you you're maybe the most dangerous broadcaster in the country and
00:50:37
the respect that no one knew what you were going to say no it was was that because you were that comfortable in the
00:50:42
job you've been there five six years you didn't give a [ __ ] anymore yeah okay
00:50:45
yeah and you know when it all came tumbling down I'm going to half pie surreptitiously if the camera goes to
00:50:52
you now I'll just grab the wine he's leaning over for the The Roaring M by the way is Roar did I do okay it's a
00:51:00
central otaro you did really well and here's what I'll say about roaring M um
00:51:05
it's great value for money it's you know it's worth the money you spend on it's
00:51:09
good quality and it's at a good price what' you pay for it um I think it was
00:51:13
like 35 bucks next door you prep Rock Boon's probably my favorite but it's um
00:51:17
it's a little bit more pricey it's about 5050 you like rockbon I do like Rockburn
00:51:21
do you know what it's not that much better than roaring me is it is it better wrong no even a rabbit Ranch it's
00:51:28
like a 25 2425 that's a I mean you can get okay you can get really nice wine
00:51:33
for under $10 and you should be able to but it's a what what can you get no you
00:51:37
can but it's a bit unpredictable it's it's a it's a crapshoot you know um but
00:51:42
this stuff isn't I quite like Mount difficulty as well but that's a little
00:51:45
bit more expensive I like difficulty and I don't know that it's any better than
00:51:48
roaring me no I don't want to turn this into an adver for roaring Meg M but I
00:51:53
actually don't care and it is and it is made by m difficulty yeah I'm um I I'm excited
00:52:00
about um yeah I'm I'm 51 now so you've got like 12 years on me I'm excited
00:52:04
about getting older for that for that um zero [ __ ] given Factor because I I find
00:52:10
it as do you still give a [ __ ] I find myself catching myself giving a [ __ ] about some things but it does get leas
00:52:16
and Le give me an example oh [ __ ] I can't even think of an example off the top see that's great
00:52:23
there is nothing you give a [ __ ] about if you can't think about it you can't
00:52:26
think of something your girlfriend's lovely I met her the other day for the first time yeah I found a little yeah
00:52:32
yeah I want to ask you about that so she's she's um 30 so she's quite a bit
00:52:35
younger than me and she she knows no one I have on the podcast she's she's like
00:52:40
who you got coming around today did she not recognize me oh no no she knew me okay I was going somewhere with this it
00:52:44
was like oh sorry she's like who's coming around today I'll be like oh Dame
00:52:47
Lisa Carrington she be like don't know who that is no but then I she's like oh
00:52:51
Paul Henry but then she the next thing the the strap line or whatever you want to call it she was say mustache on a
00:52:57
lady which I feel like is um offensive in a way like like nutting down a well it's one of the things isn't it but I
00:53:04
know what you mean you know you you've got this huge body of work but then things float to the top you know easy
00:53:11
pickings going to the do you know the thing that I'm most proud of so I came
00:53:15
into work one day this was at tvnz it's not the thing I'm most proud of obviously the thing I'm most proud of is
00:53:21
traitors we need to talk a bit more about that too cuz out the corner of my eye the publicity who
00:53:27
Lely she's great she's lovely she's s she's is that aive like a public sitting
00:53:32
here monitoring you like you can't be trusted it's absolutely necessary you
00:53:36
wouldn't believe I mean so far I haven't said anything that you'd no no well this
00:53:40
this the thing I like about this platform um oh I just finish this cuz there's I want to hear this but the
00:53:47
where I was going was I mean I I am quite I don't know if I'm proud of traitors but I I love it
00:53:55
you know I love having done it I'm I'm very pleased to be associated with it um
00:54:01
but one of the things that I was most proud about you know when because you mentioned mustache on a lady and dick
00:54:07
[ __ ] and all those things which people always bring up um and then there was that wonderful one where we were talking
00:54:12
about rats and I spat all over you know cuz I just was laughing so much and I had a mouthful of water I took a water
00:54:18
take a quick s and then spattered out all over my co-host anyway um don't I don't remember that one I came
00:54:28
into work one day right and this is so we're in the studio right and they had padlocked our laptops
00:54:37
to the set now nothing says I don't trust you like pad loocking padlocking your
00:54:46
[ __ ] laptop to the set it's very so I said to one of the cameraman I said have
00:54:51
you got a hacksaw anyway he didn't but he brought one in the next day and halfway through the program halfway
00:54:59
through the program I said to Pippa I said this is offensive they don't trust
00:55:04
us now apparently they said subsequent to this and when I say they like management whoever the hell they were
00:55:11
they said that you know that obviously the laptops were there at night and so they was the cleaners they didn't trust
00:55:17
or or maybe it was the cameraman but they basically didn't trust anyone these
00:55:22
were Dell laptops seriously like anyone's going to steal one of those anyway um anyway uh so halfway through
00:55:30
the program I get the there's I think you can still see this on YouTube I get
00:55:34
the hack out and start hack soring through whilst I'm hack soring through and because I know it would take too
00:55:40
long cuz you know time's against you on television uh I hackled through the the
00:55:44
nasty cheap wood that they that they drilled a hole through in the set I hack sword through it to get the lapt top out
00:55:52
to make a point you know that whether you like Paul Henry or not that is bloody entertaining it's unpredictable and it's
00:56:01
making a point I mean that is a beauti it's great TV but it's also just great
00:56:05
living it's making a point you know these people who sit up in their offices
00:56:10
you know are so bad at their jobs that they've decided the only way they can
00:56:14
protect their Dell laptops is to padlock them to the set I mean really that's brilliant that is so good
00:56:25
I love that breakfast and they've done that nice thing with chain oh yeah oh God there's got to be a bit a
00:56:32
way to like secure your electronic Goods doesn't there than a a bad luck in a
00:56:37
chain you know if you've got people stealing Goods get rid of the people you
00:56:41
know or padlock the people to their houses so they can't come in and take your laptops so was I've never liked
00:56:48
Dell equipment I don't know why he's mad about it I never I never have I don't
00:56:52
know why anyone says D I always think inferior and that's just and obviously
00:56:56
that's something D are going to have to address I think they're a very valuable
00:57:02
company I don't think they're too concerned but maybe they are I don't
00:57:05
know I think as a result of this there will be a special emergency meeting of the Dell board so in 2010 you win the
00:57:14
People's Choice Award the Quantas TV and film Awards and you you make um the most
00:57:19
memorable speech ever first of all there's a serious moment where you thinkk um PPP which is lovely I feel
00:57:24
like we've touched upon that that's clear special relationship um then I I
00:57:29
didn't get it's 14 years ago so I didn't get the references um you read out a
00:57:34
letter and I don't know if this was this was an actual letter or something that
00:57:37
you'd made up uh if it was a real one I'm I'm guessing you definitely Rec
00:57:40
crafted it you definitely recraft though because word for word [ __ ] word for word it was too brilliant to be yeah it
00:57:47
was and and the thing is TV and Zed didn't give me much mail because I think
00:57:51
I used to get a lot of hate mail but occasionally they would send me a selection anyway I I opened this letter
00:58:01
before breakfast one morning and I thought that is a [ __ ] gem that that it had obviously been written by someone
00:58:08
who was intellectually deranged but it it there was a magnificent outcome it was magnificently
00:58:15
written it was hilarious there was one little part of it which I think was a bit unpleasant but here's the thing I I
00:58:23
in my own mind there was one little bit of that letter that I was a little uncomfortable with but in my own mind I
00:58:28
thought if I'm going to pull a letter out of my pocket and read it I'm going
00:58:31
to read it word for word I'm not going to edit it in any way or embellish it in
00:58:36
any way so anyway when I got this thing in the morning I didn't think I was going to use it at the awards and this
00:58:41
was quite a bit before the awards like maybe a week or something like that but I thought that's a gem this is a keeper
00:58:48
and I just put it in one of my suit Pockets um and then at the awards I thought it's the People's Choice Awards
00:58:54
and here is a really I think I said in in the speech a really passionate viewer you know you have to be passionate to
00:59:01
write in but to to have those strong feelings of rage and and you yeah and you won the crowd over as well you see
00:59:08
it on YouTube like the whole the whole Auditorium is in hysterics and it's a
00:59:13
tough crowd because it's a lot of egos there a lot lot of people think no one
00:59:16
wants to really applaud someone else cuz they just want to be applauded themselves 100% so what was the what's
00:59:21
the unpleasant but that you're talking about the SE word at the end no no no
00:59:25
God no um um do you know I I can't even quite remember it there was just some
00:59:31
reference there were references to Susan Bole pamer Anderson and David Hasselhoff
00:59:36
which went over my yeah but I think there was a I think there was some there was a little crossover between the Susan
00:59:41
Bole and the and the um uh Pamela Anderson thing it was just one little thing that I was slightly uncomfortable
00:59:47
with but again I thought I'm either reading this whole thing or I'm reading
00:59:51
nothing um I didn't realize that it was live on TV and I said said [ __ ] and it was live on TV but I didn't
01:00:00
even know cuz I didn't care about any of those things do you know what the miracle was I went cuz I wouldn't
01:00:06
normally go to something like that um but there was a oh so everyone says to me not everyone but when people talk
01:00:16
about it they always want to oh was it a real letter where's the letter the funny
01:00:20
thing is after that there was like a party you know there's always a sort of
01:00:23
a party afterwards I don't normally go to those things but I think think there
01:00:26
was some situation where someone else there was taking me home or something and so I had to be there I went to a
01:00:33
traitor thing the other night and someone was supposed to be taking me home but they lost their keys so someone
01:00:37
else was taking me home and I ended up having to go and drink far too much because I just really wanted to get home
01:00:44
anyway one of the top twins came up to me I think Linda yeah Linda came up to me and
01:00:51
she said was that a real letter and I took it out of my pocket and I said here you have it so she got the letter now
01:00:57
whether she kept it I don't know they've done a few little famous things
01:01:01
themselves so maybe they're not keeping relics of Paul Henry's F but it was an
01:01:06
amazing L it was that's where it is so I gave it to her she couldn't she couldn't
01:01:11
believe it was real CU like you she thought well surely I've it was well it was so well written like for comedic
01:01:17
purposes oh for comedic but of course it wasn't written for comedic you imagine
01:01:21
the Venom someone had to have just outrage upon outrage yeah they just like double down Double Down double down so
01:01:30
so the um the controversies um the mustache on a lady thing was that before that or after that around the same time
01:01:38
I don't around the maybe I can't remember I can't remember I watched I
01:01:42
watched that clip this morning it's um in the whole aftermath it's it's still
01:01:47
very very funny but do you you regret that now or how how do you feel on mean I don't even think about it now yeah and
01:01:54
at the time I I just Rec call not regretting it then you know but it was more about yeah
01:02:01
yeah I mean yes you if you're on TV now You' do the same thing the actually you
01:02:07
probably wouldn't you would be canel you don't well so I wouldn't be on TV now
01:02:11
yeah yeah blissfully um but but here's you wouldn't do the same thing again
01:02:17
because you can't do the same thing again because it only works because you're just doing your thing you know if
01:02:24
if if all of a sudden rethinking things that's why when people do things you
01:02:30
know and they rework it and rework it normally it's never as good as the first
01:02:33
draft of course it's like the first person that comes in and offers you money for your property you probably
01:02:37
should have said yes okay then there's the um um oh what was the other controversy oh um the
01:02:45
Sheila di dick there was the big one right so this is when well I don't know
01:02:49
if that was the big one I mean everyone looks at that as being that was why that was that was why I lost my
01:02:58
job but I suppose I I I've always said um that your it's just the way human
01:03:06
nature is your failures are cumulative your successes are singular so I mean if you're only on stage for one evening you
01:03:14
know you might have a few jokes that don't work and a few that do and everyone goes home thinking about the
01:03:17
ones that did but if you're on stage 5 days a week for 3 hours a day um at the
01:03:24
end of every day everyone thinks oh that was fun but your failures add up at the end of
01:03:29
the week everyone can tell you how many failures you have but they only remember
01:03:32
the one success you had that last day this is the same with politics that's why we don't have a national government
01:03:38
forever because the longer you're there the more failures you've had U and
01:03:42
people will only ever remember your last success but they'll remember every single failure and and I'd been in
01:03:47
breakfast for a long time and what some people perceived as my failures were cumulative and I knew that the wagons
01:03:56
were circling around me um and because I was never going to fight for my job I would never fight to keep a job I mean
01:04:06
how horrible would that be you know to you know oh oh you're still here yeah
01:04:10
God I've had to fight to keep this job another way of that is oh you're still
01:04:14
here yeah no one wants me here you know that's the that's exactly the same thing
01:04:18
both those things add up I would never fight to keep a job I would never even you know do you want me here well I and
01:04:24
I want to be here so I Stay stay here do you want me here no I'm off you why
01:04:28
would you be want to be somewhere where you're not wanted but that um the sh
01:04:32
thing the response like was outrageous outrageous and I can't imagine what it
01:04:38
felt like in the the I don't know the hours or the days or the weeks after that to be Paul Henry I was the and it's
01:04:46
still it's still it doesn't haunt me now it's there now nothing haunts me it's
01:04:50
there now it's part of the rich tapestry of my my I'll call it a career it's part
01:04:55
of that rich tapestry um but it kind of felt like part of the rich at the time it must have been [ __ ] awful do you
01:05:01
know it wasn't awful it was huge it was all encompassing I mean I was the biggest racist in the country it was
01:05:08
completely out of perspective you know Rick Alice was the CEO of tvnz at the time and he literally had not on his
01:05:16
desk because it would have looked stupid down behind his disc he had a stack because people emails a stack of emails
01:05:24
printed out like 3T tall of people supporting me and a stack of emails printed out 3T tall of people hating on
01:05:33
me and insisting that they that they get rid of me you I think quite a conundrum
01:05:39
did the it's 50 what what pile is higher it's like it's like an informal poll um
01:05:47
that was was a big part of the support because people could most new zealanders could see you were being hard done by
01:05:54
like this is what for goodness sake he's on you know I mean at the end of the day if if you
01:05:59
look at the reality of here here's a guy doing live television 3 hours a day five
01:06:04
days a week and he's just being himself and like us when we talk to this person
01:06:10
and talk to that person we go to work and we say things and we joke around sometimes he's going to be right on the
01:06:15
edge sometimes he's going to be boring and sometimes he's going to slip over
01:06:19
the edge and say something maybe that's going to be taken the wrong way by some
01:06:24
people and I'm not diminishing I mean some people obviously were genuinely outraged but that's not against the law
01:06:30
to be outraged good for you for being outraged I mean here's the thing don't
01:06:34
watch anymore you know but but the the thing that would happen with me with with
01:06:40
other things as well someone would be outraged and they'd phone up and they say my God you need to see what he said
01:06:45
today oh I didn't see it I'll go and look so we're going to have a look at
01:06:48
something that that people have told us to be outraged about were you out how what did you think oh was terrible it's
01:06:54
it's a outrage porn it was terrible have you told anyone else about it yeah I
01:06:57
told Sheila she's going to watch it has Sheila watched it she has watched and
01:07:01
she phoned back and she said it's terrible she's going to write a letter
01:07:05
now these aren't people that saw it the first time or even the second time they
01:07:09
were told that this was outrageous and they should see it to be outraged and Hallelujah they were outraged yeah and
01:07:15
and this sort of this has probably accelerated the demise of um you know TV and radio and a away because it's
01:07:21
everyone's too scared to do anything what a sad country when it's like that
01:07:25
but I mean the world is like it it's not just New Zealand I mean the world's like
01:07:28
it and the wowers are taking over but was there I mean it's you know was like
01:07:33
over a decade ago so it's probably easier to talk about now but just trying to take yourself back there is is that
01:07:38
like the biggest sort of adversity you've gone through in your life it was a collection of things at the time it
01:07:42
wasn't just that one thing and but it wasn't adversity you know it was it no
01:07:48
it was though it was it might have been for other people but it wasn't for me no
01:07:52
well as as someone that was um you know far less well than you and just in music
01:07:56
radio it seemed outrageous like there were there were reporters C camped outside your poor mother's rest home
01:08:01
there was people outside your house there were people it was almost like the OJ Simpson BR it wasion of the OJ
01:08:07
Simpson thing yeah yeah it was it was it was I can imagine what it was like being
01:08:12
in your shoes but it was fine being in my shoes you know was it like yeah okay so first thing that happens right you
01:08:19
imagine this you got to get up at :00 every morning to go in and do television and all of a sudden you don't have to do
01:08:25
that anymore you've been stood down you've been stood down on full pay so I go to my house at
01:08:32
the sea right and I Hunker out there for a while cuz CU they told me too tvnz said I needed to you know just go and
01:08:39
just yeah and and Hawk's Bay I know I read better the so I did that and then
01:08:42
the next minute there's an emergency meeting things aren't calming down we're
01:08:46
going to have to address this you're going to have to come back for an emergency meeting so I go back for an
01:08:50
emergency my emergency you know um and and people people were up and arms but like I say and there were two sides of
01:08:58
the camp three sides really there's the other side that didn't even know it was
01:09:01
going on cuz they were just struggling through their lives um and then they give me a payout and I and I field
01:09:07
inquiries I mean seriously I'm not minimizing it that's how it was it wasn't a nightmare for me it was a an
01:09:16
unexpected flurry of activity yeah but I also know how I mean yeah you you're you're very
01:09:23
tough and resilient but also you know there's the the the women in your life
01:09:27
AR like your three daughters and your mom who you care about deeply and maybe your girlfriend Lindsay at the time um
01:09:33
and I like yeah how did you feel on behalf of them at the time I would have been [ __ ] pissed off yeah I was
01:09:39
really pissed off that that that they were outside mom's rest home but to be
01:09:44
honest she didn't know and if she had she would have waved out the window you know she's she was a
01:09:53
lovely Soul um I mean ludicrous to be outside my girlfriend's house what were
01:09:58
they hoping to achieve there well I suppose they were waiting to see where I was you know where I was going to go but
01:10:03
actually my now wife Diane um she came in with me and helped negotiate the the final payout and everything you know we
01:10:11
were close friends then and um yeah you know you know it's just a moment in time
01:10:16
I mean at the end of the day it's just a breakfast show it's a breakfast show no
01:10:23
one's been stabbed in the eyeballs it's just a breakfast show it is and I fully
01:10:28
agree with you but also there's I think one of the one of the most unfair things
01:10:33
is being misrepresented so having all these people or feel like the world's caving in with everyone not everyone but
01:10:39
you know a a huge portion of people thinking you're a racist and the media definitely adding fuel to that fire um
01:10:46
that's hurtful the media did a terrible job but they often Med they often exactly exactly
01:10:53
that they often do a terrible job as We Know um but you know the um it was an international incident why was it an
01:11:00
international incident seriously one breakfast host on a breakfast program in a country most people in India have
01:11:08
never heard of says one thing for one moment and it's an international incident do you know what went in an
01:11:14
international incident one the fact that our attache or whoever he was decided to
01:11:21
go and apologize on New Zealand's behalf no one was seeking an apology no one
01:11:26
asked for an apology and he had not been given the instruction to go and apologize he did it off his own bat
01:11:34
right and then the media reported it no one's saying why did you apologize you
01:11:39
know who was calling for the AP because it what was all that was entirely unnecessary so all of a sudden you've
01:11:45
now got a little country in the middle of nowhere that no one's ever heard of
01:11:48
who's saying there's an international incident you know we've had to apologize
01:11:51
and everything and gradually that is reported around the world and in something I I think what you were
01:11:59
talking about before of kind of asking like you know that he's resilient and
01:12:04
wasn't really hard um like I think potentially you talk about your travel and like been through that so what's
01:12:12
that there in terms of like the way that you grew up you know that was quite hard
01:12:16
quite res from that so nothing to that yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you're
01:12:22
ched so you you were um are you publicist in the background was just saying um your child was hard and that
01:12:28
made you resilient so now everything's water off a duck's back more or less
01:12:33
yeah I um yeah I mean this is what comes back to me saying all of this was based on one
01:12:42
comment one breakfast host makes in one small country in one moment of time um at the end of the day there are people
01:12:50
cuz I know what it's like to just struggle through life um and there are people who are struggling through life
01:12:56
who don't have the luxury of being able to dwell on one little moment in time
01:13:01
for one breakfast host you know and so from my point of view it was just a moment in time and all of a sudden it
01:13:08
turned into something else and I just lived through that you know you duck and dive you take the turns in life you you
01:13:16
you're very lucky that you must say it now being on the um on the the hosting
01:13:19
side of a reality TV show like the the duty of care that goes into that non-scripted reality whatever it's
01:13:24
called it's phenomenal like they're so nervous about someone someone saying
01:13:29
something mean about someone else and them taking it badly but one of the lovely things about traitors they take
01:13:35
they say really mean things about each other we encourage them to kill each other and people take it really badly
01:13:41
and and we are there to witness the whole thing it's that's the wonderful
01:13:44
thing about a program like that here's the other thing with traitors it really
01:13:48
is reality you know I I mean I mean you can you obviously there's a a genre reality television um
01:13:56
and you've got you know Treasure Island etc etc etc but none of those programs
01:14:00
are as real as traitors because as producers of the program we really don't dictate where it goes the key decisions
01:14:10
are entirely out of our control we have a small ability to manipulate the way things happen as a result of decisions
01:14:19
that are made but only a small ability but no ability to actually manipulate decisions and so the whole program spins
01:14:27
on the real decisions that real people make based on quite often mistaken ideas in their
01:14:36
minds or as you suggested before someone says something and all of a sudden oh my
01:14:40
God you know the whole game's taking a different turn yeah it's fabulous I
01:14:45
think having seen the first um two episodes in advance um it it is it's a stronger show with
01:14:52
less known people rather than um 100% taking it with celebrities or influencers and the interesting thing is
01:14:59
the Americans who only know how to make American television um have only had celebrities or you know yeah celebrities
01:15:07
um whereas the British who know how to make television for the world um have only had normal people people um and the
01:15:15
difference with normal people and celebrities is normal people are themselves celebrities are celebrities
01:15:23
and so they to a to one degree or another will always second guess the way they're going to appear the way they're
01:15:29
going to handle a situation so it takes longer for them to get into a game if ever they fully get into it um the
01:15:37
incredible thing for me in the second series is the way these people just like in episode one you would have seen it
01:15:44
they're playing the game straight away you know their wonderment of the place
01:15:47
dis disperses almost instantly as they start to think my God I can't trust any
01:15:51
of these people it it is an extraordinary game you imagine like it's it's interesting um
01:16:00
talking to some of them now because I don't talk to any of them before because
01:16:03
I am you know I'm God in the game I I I don't even make eye contact with them
01:16:08
they're dust under my chariot wheels um and that needs to be like that you know
01:16:14
because we're setting a scene it's all part of the theater it's part of keeping
01:16:17
them in this posited fake world but you imagine being in this world and not being able to trust anyone not being
01:16:27
able to communicate with your old life with any of your family or friends not being able to talk things through so the
01:16:33
only people you can talk things through with are people that you have probably falsely deemed trustworthy but you know
01:16:41
that they may well not be trustworthy trying to dup you yeah and it's yeah it's your whole world isn't it your
01:16:47
world people come into it yes people come into it with a strategy and and if you talk to them afterwards they say
01:16:53
look that actually didn't serve us well at all because when we're in it we
01:16:57
realize actually you can't play out a strategy because there are no anchors that you can tie to you know everything
01:17:05
is loose everything is untrustworthy it's fantastic exercise and Humanity it's it's bloody great um I
01:17:14
so you've had your phone on through this just in case your daughter Bella goes
01:17:18
into labor no yeah yeah so you've got three she's expecting twins twins twins
01:17:24
how how many grandkids have you got two two ran and Mina you love being a Granddad yeah ran
01:17:32
Henry is this is you know one of the nicest things one of the best accolades you can get in your life is for your
01:17:38
name to be passed on and and so uh my daughter Lucy and her husband Frank in Melbourne have called their first son
01:17:46
rahan Henry and their second daughter Mina Olive isn't that lovely after after
01:17:52
your mom yeah Thea yeah yeah how how are you how are you different from being a a
01:17:58
father to being a grandfather you know I feel you you you were a fun dad anyway right I was a fun dad um and still am
01:18:06
you know trying to be you know um they say about grandchildren you know all care no responsibility as opposed to
01:18:15
All Care all responsibility uh and I think that's probably pretty accurate I mean I don't
01:18:20
see the two grandchildren I have very often and and I do miss them a bit um but I see because distance yeah yeah and
01:18:30
I mean I could make more of an effort I could go more often but I know they've
01:18:34
got their lives and like they don't even want to talk to me on the phone I me
01:18:39
Mina will wave but only if um uh what's that program she loves what's that new
01:18:45
program that and actually it's captivating to watch it's a cartoon show Peppa Pig it's fantastic have you ever
01:18:51
watched that pig it's bloody fantastic it's it it's absolutely F it's
01:18:56
compelling watching cuz I was once over there and I said said to her I said oh for goodness sake you know they don't
01:19:04
understand for goodness sake but I said for goodness sake Let's uh oh and then I
01:19:08
started watching Peppa P you and her mother said what are you doing sh it's the good B yeah I've got a a
01:19:16
quote here I think this is from um a woman's magazine um you talking about your daughters they know I love them in
01:19:22
every possible way because I tell them constantly I text all three of them at least twice a day email about every 2
01:19:27
days and bombard them with supplementary information about my life and ask them questions about theirs they uh they know
01:19:34
absolutely without question that I love them completely that's beautiful yeah
01:19:38
it's a beautiful and here's what you have to do to get away with that CU that
01:19:41
could be annoying that could be damned annoying so I've made it a little pisty
01:19:45
a little py yeah but here's how you get away with it because I still do that now
01:19:49
and sometimes I'm typing it and sending you know cuz now you got the Emojis so
01:19:53
I'm doing combination of emojis as well because a picture paints a thousand words so I send sometimes you know
01:19:59
25,000 words um but how here's how you get away with it you get away with it by
01:20:04
making clear that you don't expect a reply you know so I I I will never say oh I asked you so and so and you didn't
01:20:13
reply never because I don't expect a reply I just constantly want them to know and and I know that they must
01:20:21
sometimes roll oh [ __ ] hell you know go oh Jesus Christ oh my father l oh no that's nice I think that's that hasn't
01:20:29
changed from 9:00 this morning he still loves me cuz you you were you were sort of busy your dad was an adventurer and
01:20:35
you were sort of like an adventure I guess of a different sort in in the early part of their lives with your
01:20:39
foreign correspondent right that's right so it's it's um it is it is very lucky
01:20:44
you've got this relationship with them now if you don't do the work in the
01:20:46
early in the early years to you have to constantly do the work I think yeah I think you have to constantly do the work
01:20:53
and and you know it's a wonderful thing thing cuz that's that is the only point
01:20:56
in it apart from the just the point of enjoying yourself the only other point is to to
01:21:04
pass your the only way you will actually get any kind of longevity is to have children and and you know pass it down
01:21:11
apart from that the only point is to enjoy yourself really because I mean if you if you enrich other people's lives
01:21:16
which is nice um I suppose but if you enrich other people you're only enriching the
01:21:21
life of the person you're touching that moment you know you're right book and oh
01:21:25
god there are so many I mean look at your bookshelf there are so many books if we
01:21:30
if everyone stopped writing books now people there's enough there's enough
01:21:34
books there's seriously enough books yeah people say oh I read so and so we'll go back you know let's re-release
01:21:41
a few that have already been written by people who've got a lot more to say than
01:21:44
some of the people that are writing books now and I say that to someone who's written books as someone who
01:21:49
writes books I mean there is no need for anyone to write another book would you do anymore it's terrible
01:21:56
paid a terrible return on you don't do it for money do you you don't do it I
01:22:00
mean I wouldn't do it if it wasn't if there wasn't if I wasn't paid I wouldn't
01:22:03
do it but if you actually facted out I don't know how quickly you write but if
01:22:09
you facted out the hourly rate on writing a book oh it's terrible lowest hourly rate you live again outrageous
01:22:15
outrageous I am after sitting down with you for what it's been an hour 20 now
01:22:20
one thing I sh has it been an hour 20 when do you have to go okay what one thing I'm confused about you ask a
01:22:26
publicist not me because you know she actually has a job I know she she's got
01:22:32
a place to go yeah but is it still just just checking in you know at the beginning you said it's a what did you
01:22:39
say it's a dream having me here or an honor dream guest gu dream guest and would you do you tick that box now or
01:22:44
are you slightly disappointed 100% not disappointed at all oh fantastic that's
01:22:48
great um one thing I'm confused about you though so you like you do have elements of a loner right where you love
01:22:55
you you love going to Palm Springs and just going on road trips on your own and your and your Mustang or going to your
01:23:00
farm on your own but also you um you you do you love holding court and you tell a
01:23:06
fantastic story so it's you just have a small social battery like you're happy
01:23:11
to well I love theater you know I think I am quite theatrical I love theater um do I love
01:23:20
holding Court I do hold Court I don't know I suppose you need a little bit of everything in your life a little
01:23:29
bit of several different things anyway and maybe I wouldn't enjoy being on my
01:23:33
own as much if I was on my own all the time maybe I wouldn't how how do you and um your wife
01:23:40
do and make it work you just live live sort of separate lives and sort of come together oh we have a wonderful life
01:23:45
together yes and then she has certain nooks and crannies that she loves to be you know she's got her favorite places
01:23:53
um and I've got my favorite places and we come together and we have a lovely
01:23:56
life so it's you know and sometimes like like sometimes um I'll visit her in her favorite places and
01:24:07
have a fantastic time and she'll visit me in my favorite places and then we live together in in lovely places so you
01:24:13
have like a like a matrimonial house yes Alo places that sounds very that sounds
01:24:18
brid I should be spending the weekend in my matrimonial house okay with my wife for many years no I'm just like
01:24:28
elaborating here for clarity because when you said we meet in places like most normal people like a park or a
01:24:34
restaurant but you're talking resid no yeah we have we have platforms and she
01:24:38
has platforms that she loves and I have platforms I love and I like her platforms and she likes my platforms and
01:24:47
then we have a platform that we live in together so we spend a lot of time together but we have a lot of time to
01:24:55
ourselves we give each other our own space yeah yeah it's a perfect marriage
01:25:00
it's beautiful yeah and it seems like it's um it's been a good there was an there's an
01:25:05
article that's still online now from 2008 which you read back now everything's still online has not has
01:25:11
not aged well though you were you [ __ ] off at the time which one are we talking
01:25:15
about it's one where you're walking you're walking through an airport lovely
01:25:18
Mo you know this is the whole thing you know with with things like that I mean we new New Zealand has not been known
01:25:26
for that sort of Paparazzi style you know combat journalism um and I was subject to that for a while
01:25:35
um cuz this article it says Paul said he was having three months off breakfast to
01:25:40
spend time with his daughter now he's going overseas with this woman that was
01:25:43
had an affair with Don Brash or something like that so takes shots at you shots at her yeah it's terrible it
01:25:49
was the same when they were you know at the top of my drive and I mean you mention outside my mother's you know
01:25:54
there was a moment in time cuz that was all around those few years there was a moment in time where there was a sort of
01:26:02
Paparazzi style attack journalism style element particularly to the herald you know largely down to Shane Curry
01:26:10
actually who funnily enough there was a period in time where I mean and he actually wrote about this where I told
01:26:20
him once I wouldn't give him the steam off my piss isn't that a lovely PHR and he quoted it
01:26:27
to me in an interview not so very long ago and now I would actually give him the steam of
01:26:34
my no we've I there was a time when I would have wanted to bury the hatchet right in him but now we've actually
01:26:40
buried it um but he you know I have always admired him as a journalist um he is a brilliant tabloid journalist of the
01:26:51
worst kind um and now he's moved on from that and I've and I've moved on you know
01:26:56
he no longer yeah pounds me so is that his car out there um so yeah December 16 um that's
01:27:10
when the Paul Henry show ends I I I don't know if this is online but I remember it clearly uh because that show
01:27:16
was a game changer and because I was in um media works at the time I remember over hearing who was the CEO at the time
01:27:23
was it sass turn no BR no who was it [ __ ] it was well after Brent right no was it no it was
01:27:32
was it Michael Anderson I think it was pre Anderson maybe I anyway whoever it was though though someone was saying no
01:27:38
I think it was Michael Anderson someone was saying don't something like don't
01:27:41
bit the house on Paul he'll never stick around long enough which is probably
01:27:45
fair enough and then there was some friends of mine in engineering talking about um some headbutting situation with
01:27:51
you because they wanted these like microphones with long they're called gooseneck microphones but you were very
01:27:59
very particular about the sort of microphones you wanted and uh it turns out you were correct aesthetically it
01:28:04
looked almost but but that was the thing it was television for Christ's sake
01:28:09
Aesthetics matter you know I mean but it's setting a Vibe it's part of the
01:28:13
theater like I tell you theater's very important I mean everything about that
01:28:16
was important to me and people say that you know you know oh Paul Paul Henry's
01:28:21
leaving you know he's you know I went into that job and I told them how long I
01:28:25
would give it and I gave them I gave it that long what was it three years five years you know no it wasn't even that
01:28:30
long um because I told them I'd give them I think it was three years or something and then they said a that was
01:28:37
for the evening show which I loved I just want the late night one the Paul Henry show in the evening just wanted to
01:28:42
keep doing that I wanted to make that more mine I wanted to just I loved it I could have really done a lot with that
01:28:47
it really suited me um and you know the set was amazing and I put a lot of effort into that and they came to me and
01:28:55
said uh you know we really want you to do a breakfast show and so I told them I'll need lots more money but I'm only
01:29:02
going to do it within my existing contract time frame so of course everyone says oh here we are it's a year
01:29:09
later and he's already throwing in the towel no actually this was the contract
01:29:14
I gave you and you agreed to that when I came to do it um but that's you know
01:29:18
again it's just misrepresentation and also to be fair like it set the platform
01:29:22
for what became the am show which is it's been you moderately successful it's
01:29:25
been moderately successful I mean you know the yeah I could have done it for longer but I just didn't want to you
01:29:32
know I mean we were really making inroads there was something magical about that program there was something
01:29:36
magical and as soon as the am show started the magic started to disappear it wasn't [ __ ] you know and breakfast
01:29:46
was [ __ ] you it's terrible terrible television for the money they spend on
01:29:51
it but the am show was wasn't [ __ ] but just the magic started to disintegrate
01:29:57
because you've really got to like the microphones are a good example oh but this microphone would be better because
01:30:02
it's slightly better quality it's more directional be able to do this and I
01:30:06
used to just say make it work this is the look these are great microphones make them work yeah but if we had this
01:30:13
make it work this is the microphone I want I remember once ages ago I was doing this is your life right Julie
01:30:19
chrusty Jesus you don't want to cross her Dam Julie oh is she a Dame yeah she is CHR yeah see
01:30:27
why am I anyway how is it possible seriously look at me now how is it possible you know it
01:30:34
feels how have I been overlooked it feels like all your friends are as well like s key there was a whole time when
01:30:41
the guest after guest on my boat they were all nighters and I thought [ __ ] is wrong it's my boat why am I not N I
01:30:47
should be nighted just for having so many s on the boat even um even your friend Peter Beck who's like 24 now know
01:30:54
Peter Beck he's barely out of nappies um I love Peter Beck he's a smart he's a smart guy anyway we say
01:31:02
yeah we no what was I saying we can't miss this whole thing we're talking
01:31:06
about just your strength of convictions when it comes to Julie Christie no cross
01:31:09
Julie Christie but here's the thing I just remember this once I was doing this
01:31:13
as your life right we walk into the studio looks amazing these this was in the days when TV and Zed only counted
01:31:20
every second Penny and and judie was very good because she was in a sense very like me or was I very like her
01:31:26
whereas she knew what she wanted oh no we were're going to have this oh yeah
01:31:30
but this is half the price and almost as good yeah but we were going to have this
01:31:35
so anyway I walk into the studio and there's a lot of pressure on this is your life more than perhaps any other
01:31:40
program I've ever done it's a it's a nightmare program to do you imagine
01:31:43
you're doing a program about one person right the star of your show who is so
01:31:48
important in your show has no idea what it's a show they don't even know what's
01:31:52
happening you've organized whole thing and then you surprise them and all of
01:31:57
their friends who are just there because they didn't know it was happening until
01:32:01
you organized it they're just there to see them and surprise them and you filled them with liquor and you put this
01:32:06
person who doesn't even want to be there who's as nervous as buggery into a
01:32:10
studio full of people who are pissed honestly it's just anyway that's a great
01:32:17
who yeah who did you who did you think of the [ __ ] format you did AJ heck it who else he was great um Jonah um wow
01:32:25
just a whole handful anyway um I walk into the studio with her and it's all done at the last minute because
01:32:33
obviously the whole studio this is a it's a huge production um cost so much money which is why no one does it now um
01:32:42
walk into the studio and she said what's that I was standing there with her it
01:32:47
looked amazing like the set looked amazing and she looked over and she said to the guy the designer or whoever it
01:32:53
was what's that there he said oh that's the star curtain you know what a star
01:32:56
curtain is right so it's just a curtain of sparkly lights basically star curtain
01:33:01
so that's sparkly lights LEDs um this was in the day when LEDs were oh my God
01:33:06
what's that how does that even work um and the guy said oh that's the star
01:33:13
curtain and she said well that's not a star curtain it looked like a star curtain to me and she said no what
01:33:19
you've done there is you've just hung sparkly lights on a black [ __ ] and they said well yeah it's a star
01:33:27
curtain and she said no she said that's just rows of Lights she said that's not
01:33:32
a star curtain at all I wanted a star curtain and he said oh well um and this is like hours before the whole thing
01:33:38
starts cuz it's all done at the last minute well some parts of it have done at the last minute and I thought oh well
01:33:44
it's not not quite right you know but it's looks amazing and he said oh it
01:33:49
looks amazing and she said I wanted a star curtain and I'm having a star curtain he said well where am I going to
01:33:55
get a St I don't care that's not my my job is not to get the star curtain it's
01:34:02
to insist on us having one and we got a star curtain it was impossible he said that I heard him say it's impossible
01:34:09
it's only a few hours it's impossible we can't possibly get it and so what most
01:34:13
people would do is they go into a b plan but she didn't you know she didn't go
01:34:17
into a b plan she said it's a star curtain or it's nothing and there was a
01:34:22
star curtain there on the night she's amazing you know do do you love her respect her yeah yeah absolutely respect
01:34:28
her absolutely you know I mean that and that taught me a lot and so when the guy
01:34:32
said oh you should have these goose neck you know and and I said it looks like [ __ ] you know and then there was this
01:34:41
other guy um right down towards God it was a nightmare doing that show putting it together cuz I was so it was me you
01:34:50
know I bled it like I do with almost every I do you know I care about the theater anyway um this guy towards the
01:34:59
end said I it's not going to be possible it I it's just not going to be possible
01:35:03
to frame those microphones out you know TV turn and frame them out and I said what do you mean frame them out and
01:35:12
he said well they're just so big they're right in the way and I said they're the [ __ ]
01:35:17
microphones why would we want to frame them out this is the set this is the way it works and he said well you can't have
01:35:24
a great big microphone in front of you on TV that that's um that's good though
01:35:28
and that's admirable um I I've always believe been a bit more passive I've
01:35:32
been like oh some someone else is doing their job they know better they must know better even though I disagree with
01:35:37
it I'll roll with it and I still think that to a degree like on traitors I think that you know they're doing their
01:35:43
job you know they and I you can't do everything neither should you do everything you know and and and it's not
01:35:49
that I mean and I'll be honest with you it's not that every single thing I think
01:35:54
is the best way to do it or the better way to do it or it should be done that way
01:35:59
but I really care you know when you really care it's very hard to loosen the
01:36:05
grip on things the good thing about traitors is I'm the host and even although I overstep my boundaries so
01:36:10
many times I'm I'm the host that's my job you know um but with like the Paul
01:36:17
Henry show and that that I'm ma that mattered to me and people just constantly let you down well your name
01:36:22
constantly yeah your name's on it it's all care all responsibility and you know
01:36:27
there are a lot of things that I look back I remember there was an interview once that was I think it was North and
01:36:32
South magazine and they were interviewing Don Brash after I think his last enormous political defeat
01:36:41
um and no it might have been it might have been when he lost as national leader and he was out and he was in his
01:36:48
apartment down the viaduct or wherever it was and they said to him what have you learned from this experience and
01:36:55
he's more clever than you can shake a stick at you know wasn't a great leader
01:36:59
but more clever than you can shake a stick at and he said I've learned that you have to recognize how much power
01:37:07
you've got while you've got it something like that I'm putting words in but that
01:37:11
was roughly what he said and you think about your own career how often is that the case whereas you spend time waiting
01:37:18
for something before you do something yeah not realizing that actually I've got a hold all the cards now or I hold
01:37:26
enough cards now to do this and um and and those are little regrets I've had at
01:37:31
different times when I should have just said no that person doesn't work for me
01:37:35
it's not that's unacceptable I'm not going to put up with that you know and
01:37:39
and it but you don't do that because you think I'll give it another one the doubt
01:37:44
you I suppose it's a learning thing and then you work with someone like um Dame
01:37:47
Julie Christie and you think okay I can I can do this that's what Julie would do
01:37:52
um yeah she's a phenomenal um okay we going to start wrapping this up cuz it's an hour 38 okay well let's
01:37:58
do it let's do it like this thanks Tom no there's more there's more by the way
01:38:04
it's worth pointing out as soon as you walked into this room you looked around
01:38:06
and go there's nothing here that I hate no no and I'm impressed and here's why
01:38:11
I'm impressed right this is you you've done all of this you've taken control of
01:38:16
this I mean I'm ify on neon and is this proper neon or is it no it's LED neon
01:38:21
it's NE no it's not Neon I don't think it is what how do you what do you mean
01:38:25
well I don't think there's Neon gas in there is there no there isn't no it's
01:38:28
and it's definitely fake brick it's fake bre obvious yeah but I'm okay with that
01:38:33
cuz it's not but that's not you just said it was neon it's not what from a
01:38:38
neon Place yeah well they branched out oh you're thinking old Vegas neon well
01:38:43
neon I'm thinking you know what neon is it's gas so it's it's glass tubes full
01:38:51
of Neon gas and this is not this is plastic full of LEDs but you know again what but but but
01:39:00
it's is it as good as neon probably it doesn't have that you know what you want
01:39:04
you want that you want that you know where on the electricity yeah yeah you want a few of these
01:39:12
letters maybe the E just to just to cut out you know periodically but you can't
01:39:18
do that with LED well maybe you can who knows um what you want to do I in fact I
01:39:22
don't even know if it's still there but in Vegas they've got a place called the
01:39:25
Boneyard or at least they used to oh yes they with all the old neon science from
01:39:29
old Vegas beautiful it's so cool you can do a nighttime tour of it I've never
01:39:33
done the nighttime tour I've done a daytime tour a couple of times it's so
01:39:37
cool I mean that the anyway that's one of the places I love you know what are
01:39:41
you what are your thoughts on Aging so you're you're 63 now you're almost 64
01:39:45
which is the the line from the famous Beatle song yeah When I'm 64 will will
01:39:49
you still need me will you still feed me think about that will still need me is fine will you still feed me that's no
01:39:58
that's a serious line isn't it it is it's a big who feeding you at the moment
01:40:02
that's a big call that was from um like your girlfriend how old is she she's 301
01:40:07
years will she will she still need you will she still feed you when you're 64 but you I saw her the other night I
01:40:16
don't know that she will feed you when you're 64 no no she's she's wonderful
01:40:19
though like she's yeah um and she probably thinks you're wonderful at the
01:40:25
moment when you're 64 and she's got a bowl of GRL she's holding a bowl of GRL
01:40:30
that she's just made she's made herself a beautiful steak but for you what she's
01:40:34
done is she's boiled it within inches of its [ __ ] life and she's got it in a
01:40:39
bowl with some rusks and and she's about to give it to you and she thinks I'm not going to feed him I'm
01:40:48
just not going to feed him I don't need him why would I feed him anyway who knows this is your private business it's
01:40:54
not for me to it's not for me to question but you you well you your previous guil Lindy there was a big agap
01:41:00
how how big was the not as big as yours don't try and don't try and duck
01:41:04
and dive behind other people um but you know I mean honestly Dom maybe it'll
01:41:14
work oh we're cutting that but out no you said you didn't cut anything you
01:41:20
said you didn't cut anything um no but I over the years I've heard you do
01:41:24
interviews and you talk about um the amount of good Summers you've got left and the amount of heartbeats you've got
01:41:29
left um yeah what are you what do you think what do what do you sort of mean when you say that do you know what I
01:41:36
think it's hard people say oh I'm very proud to be a New Zealander well I don't
01:41:39
know why because or or proud to be from any country because you didn't choose it
01:41:44
it's not something you did you just are a New Zealander can you be proud of something you had no involvement in um
01:41:51
and so the reason I say that is I don't know that you can actually say I'm
01:41:55
really proud to be old because you're old you know although to a degree I haven't died
01:42:02
earlier yeah yeah so so I suppose I did have an involvement in it because I could have died earlier and when you get
01:42:08
to I tell you a thing about 63 you won't know that this yet although you've
01:42:11
probably lost friends already at your age but I've lost friends and acquaintances who haven't made it this
01:42:17
far down the track I don't know how far I'm going to make it but I don't mind
01:42:22
being my age thank God I mean how it's so sad people that try not to be their
01:42:27
age um I think I probably look about 63 I don't think I look older than 63 let
01:42:35
me have a check I think I think I think you good for your age and and these glasses make me look a bit
01:42:41
older anyway what I'm saying is I I I don't mind you know I am my age and and I don't want to hide my age um
01:42:52
and in a way I'm look forward to that day I remember once years ago I was going to the ASB Bank and remuera right
01:43:00
I think it was the ASB yeah and it used to be up the top of some steps there were about six steps right and I was
01:43:06
walking out of the bank there' been a queue and I was standing in the queue came out finally got to the front you
01:43:11
know walked out very unsatisfying experience being at the ASB um but that's banking yeah speaking at the end
01:43:18
of you know you're lying on your deathbed right you're about to die no one visits you you and says you know in
01:43:26
the last 70 years or however old you are do you realize you've spent the equivalent of 16 months in cues at the
01:43:35
post office at we're going to give you that 16 month no one's going to do that
01:43:38
right so every time you're standing in a queue for some useless [ __ ] piece of
01:43:42
[ __ ] remember that that's your life ticking away you know like you're at n
01:43:46
leing right and you've and you've said oh I will buy that whatever that lump of
01:43:51
electrical thingers and take it to some counter and you're standing in a queue
01:43:55
and they say oh sorry to keep you waiting you know what you should say is no it's my life my heartbeats are on
01:44:02
that carpet over there you know where are you going to be when I'm dying you
01:44:05
[ __ ] you know but it's not their fault they're on minimum wage we're
01:44:10
anyway um anyway so what about um what I was saying was I walk out of the bank right and sedman
01:44:20
Hillary is climbing up these steps and I stand there and I wait because I'm very good to older people and he was
01:44:29
actually I think quite a nice old person I knew him a bit um and you mustn't
01:44:33
confuse old people for nice people because old people are not nice because they're old if they were nice and they
01:44:40
got old they're nice old people if they were shitty and they got old they were
01:44:44
shitty old people you know but a lot of people think oh look at that nice old person no think again anyway what I'm
01:44:50
saying is I know that yeah I really like Anyway gets to the top top and I said you know we we're we weren't friends we
01:44:56
were acquaintances he gets to the top and I said you're not that bastard off
01:45:00
you know it was just a lovely line many people must have said it to him we had a
01:45:04
bit of a laugh and everything like that and then he went and he joined the end of the queue and I thought when I get to
01:45:09
his age I'm going to walk in and I'm going to say I am very very old I do not
01:45:17
have enough time to stand in a queue and I'm going to walk right to the front
01:45:24
well he's he's on the $5 note if he can't jump the queue nobody can think
01:45:28
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah [ __ ] that's a great story what a y it's a mixed up
01:45:32
story it and it was overly long long and I apologize for that no that's fine um
01:45:36
what about a backet list or a to-do list is there anything that you haven't done
01:45:40
that you really want to do no no I mean there are things that I'll still do obviously but most of the things but
01:45:46
once you get to well with me I don't won't say once you get to my ede because
01:45:49
it's not true of everyone but I've I've collected things I like to do and so now
01:45:54
I just want to do them more what like travel and yeah but travel God you know that's a 12 people say travel oh yeah
01:46:04
cuz what I want to do is spend more time at airports that's what I want to oh God
01:46:08
if only I could spend more time at airports because airports are the funnest places in the world oh you did
01:46:13
say you wanted to go to Turkey yeah I like turkey this is why I've got a publicist she reminds you of things I
01:46:19
mean I don't desperately want to go to Turkey but but you know I mean there are
01:46:24
places but but at the end of the day I mean travel I know where I want to go but you haven't seen I hate no I know
01:46:33
but you're fine with that but well are you going to be able to see everywhere
01:46:35
before you die so so where are you going to be happy well half of everywhere well
01:46:40
I'm the same I'm a I'm a creature of habit and yeah yeah yeah and you've got
01:46:43
to be careful and my daughters say this often you know I'll I'll take them quite
01:46:46
often I'll take them to Vegas and I'll say I'm going to take you to this great
01:46:49
show and they'll say to me have you seen it before well yeah it's great you're
01:46:52
going to love but well why don't we go to something you haven't seen cuz I
01:46:54
don't like it's too risky RIS it's the same with restaurants it I'm ordering a
01:46:59
new item on the menu and then I should have got the fedini I know the love the fedini [ __ ] look at this [ __ ] I'm not
01:47:06
paying for this um what about um regrets any regrets or two few to mention no I mean if I have I've forgotten them yeah
01:47:15
and are you are you happy and content no well that's hard to say though isn't it
01:47:21
is anyone I mean if you're happy and content I mean happy yes content I mean
01:47:25
contentment is a funny thing isn't it contentment is perilously close to death
01:47:30
isn't it really oh there's someone in a coma I bet they're content and I bet
01:47:35
every single person in a coma is content cuz the two things are synonymous aren't
01:47:41
they really but happy yes you're more happy than unhappy because if you say oh
01:47:46
yeah yeah oh absolutely I'm happy but when you say content it's a funny thing
01:47:50
isn't it it's like saying is Everything is Everything right well is everything
01:47:54
always going to be right the black stripes on my Shelby on my Mustang right have already started to peel off in just
01:48:02
a few years that annoys me I am not content with that write a letter start a group aoup a
01:48:13
group that was a great line that's a great line the whole this is back to the
01:48:16
mustach great mustach on a lady thing you watch the whole YouTube clip it's quite captivating and it has very little
01:48:22
to do with the lady with the almost nothing it's more it's the three or four
01:48:26
minutes afterwards it's um reading out emails reading out that email and that
01:48:30
person said so and so and I just said I ended it by just saying start a group phenomenal because that's what people do
01:48:35
now it's a great line it's a great and then that Mr vintage or whoever that
01:48:39
t-shirt company was I don't know if they're still in business but they came
01:48:42
out with a whole range of t-shirts start a group how good that which I didn't get
01:48:47
any royalties for but yeah it's a great line star aou yeah exactly it's the
01:48:53
perfect I didn't get any R starter group well this has been wonderful today [ __ ]
01:48:57
then there's um I you know this is long form uh I feel like no this is this is
01:49:02
Marathon form yeah no we we still just scratched the yeah when when you've got
01:49:07
someone that's interesting in front of you that 63 and has lived a hell of a
01:49:10
it's just life F yeah but we're still just like scratching the surface of the
01:49:14
Paul Henry story like we haven't even talked about your your nudism and you know so many other bits nudism is a
01:49:19
wonderful thing I'll just say this about it right no one cares what anyone else looks like
01:49:25
fundamentally now that I'm still a beautiful woman walks to the pool naked and you're interested to look at her
01:49:32
right a person walks to the pool naked and you're really interested to look at them
01:49:39
do you know what I mean like because it's a one you know all of a sudden it's
01:49:43
a window into someone else's life no seriously but fundamentally everyone cares what they
01:49:49
look like to themselves and everyone thinks when you're in mud to start with
01:49:54
you all think oh everyone's going to be looking at me actually the opposite is
01:49:57
true almost no one's looking at you everyone's thinking oh how do I look
01:50:01
yeah I think it's like a metaphor for life people stop doing things because they wonder what other people will think
01:50:05
but actually everyone's the same as you they just everyone's thinking oh God
01:50:08
what's someone going to think of that 100% where where did that begin though
01:50:11
where did where did the nudism start it started with a casual conversation from some acquaintances of mine who talked
01:50:17
about going to this particular place um and they didn't realize it was a nudus
01:50:21
place but they were booked in and they went there and they were surprised how just natural all seemed and how it was
01:50:28
so different to their preconceptions of it and they said that to me and I thought oh that's you know and it just
01:50:35
prayed on my mind a bit and then purely this was in the United States purely coincidentally
01:50:42
um maybe a year later or sometime later I was on a road trip vaguely in that area and I thought God that's close to
01:50:51
so I looked it up on my phone phone and um booked in next minute you're a nudist and it's it's honestly it's so
01:51:02
there it's just lovely it's just lovely I'm not into that thing where like naturists I'm not a naturist
01:51:10
people play tennis and go hiking again yeah you know there are reasons why you wear clothes for tennis and there are
01:51:16
reasons why you wear clothes to hike um particularly in the scalding desert uh but you know for swimming and sunbathing
01:51:25
why would you have clothes on like why but is it about CU you you're Place some
01:51:29
Palm Swings it's like a gated community for for nudus is is it about the um the
01:51:34
freedom of just being naked yourself in your own house and in your own backyard or is it about the camaraderie of being
01:51:39
nude with others whole collection of things really I mean camaraderie is a funny thing isn't
01:51:45
it with I feel a camaraderie with my naked friends um but no it's just it's just natural it
01:51:53
just seems so natural and and here's the thing when it gets cold you put clothes
01:51:58
on cuz there's a reason for that you know there's a reason people wear clothes and again it comes back to the
01:52:03
tennis and the hiking thing there's a reason why people wear clothes um funny
01:52:08
enough I do play pingpong naked we have a seems like a lowrisk sport it's a lowrisk sport it still requires a lot of
01:52:16
jux position of the body and your body doesn't change direction at one speed
01:52:22
some parts of your body change direction at a different rate and you're already
01:52:26
going back the other way while that part of the body is still going in the opposite direction but anyway how does
01:52:31
it look who would know I've never watched um geez this has been very entertaining
01:52:38
yeah there was just one thing about nudity I was going to say and now it slipped my mind all you as so often
01:52:44
happens in a conversation you yeah have you you found that's always been a thing
01:52:48
or has this happened as youve as you've got into your 60s funny you should say
01:52:51
that cuz I was talking about this with my wife the other day um and I think it's not I don't think it's Alzheimer's
01:52:58
um the mere fact that I can say that I don't think it is probably means it isn't um but I think as you get older I
01:53:03
think it is you know you don't want to worry about recall taking a little longer or sometimes the grasping for
01:53:09
that word and I've always grasped for words I've got a very broad vocabulary
01:53:14
and I think the broader your vocabulary the more words there are in there and perhaps the harder it is to grasp for
01:53:19
the right one and I think it does take slightly longer I think that's just one of the things of
01:53:24
getting old and having more stuff there God I wish you had more of a more of a stage or platform whatever you want
01:53:31
to call it this is great for me no not like a would you want to do like a weekly podcast or something no no no I
01:53:39
couldn't think of well I can think of worse things open heart surgery um but
01:53:44
but no I wouldn't want to do that again I wouldn't do daily weekly monthly
01:53:48
so what's uh yeah final question then like what's like what's what's your ego
01:53:53
like or your relationship with ego you you must have one like a an it to be I think everyone does CU I think that's
01:53:59
another thing that's on the Continuum you know I don't think there anyone that
01:54:02
has no ego at all because I think that would mean you didn't care about anything at all ever um but but because
01:54:09
I fundamentally don't care what people think about me I think that's where ego
01:54:13
comes from I think minor probably and and there'll be a lot of people who will
01:54:18
hear word of this and that maybe will write or comment and say way and say ah Henry there was something I saw I did
01:54:27
this speech and one of the people wrote oh there isn't a camera Henry doesn't
01:54:31
like you know if they had if they had any idea how many camera opportunities I turned down on a weekly basis but I just
01:54:39
laugh at that and I think you know that has given you just saying that my job is
01:54:44
done you know you you've actually you've got out of your whatever kind of tunnel
01:54:50
you live in and and you've you know used your fingers presumably to type something down and then it's given you
01:54:56
some enjoyment so so you do have this desire to be center of attention but it's a very very small desire like it's
01:55:02
a Slither if it was a pie it's a like a very small I don't have to be center of
01:55:07
attention much much to be completely over overa by having been it you know I mean I love just being on my own just
01:55:17
unrecognized by the no one around me you know how do you get recognized these days like when you're in New Zealand it
01:55:24
must still happen a lot what do people say what do they do well I've never been
01:55:28
particularly approachable you know I've never been like an enormously I disagree
01:55:33
no well I think I'm going to need to go we you do people do that sometimes no but do people do that
01:55:41
sometimes in your be the but the the other day remember when yeah people do honk and they honk and some people are
01:55:48
lovely and and and the people that aren't I'm I'm not looking anyway I I
01:55:52
don't know that they aren't all right we'll wrap this up so you can go we I
01:55:56
need to go we've got through almost a bottle of roaring me this has been fantastic as I said at the beginning and
01:56:01
I um I think I said during it as well dream guest and you have not disappointed I've been a big fan of
01:56:05
yours forever and I'm so glad we finally made this happen fantastic Dom thank you
01:56:11
fantastic no thank you [Music]