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Tom sainsbury welcome thank you for
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having me I just noticed that we've got
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rhyming names Tom and Dom
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yeah we can hear you guys we should um
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later down in the chat when we're not so
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busy we should have a company called Tom
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and Dom yeah let's do it you've got um
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now I feel like you're just I've done so
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much research about you and I know that
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you're um a people pleaser and a yes man
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but so you suggest we have a company and
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I'll be messaging you hey you ready to
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start that company you're not going to
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be able to say no no I know it's
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happening are selling
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socks Tom and Dom socks sure sure you um
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you're you're amazing um Tom sandsbury
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the Snapchat dude TV work includes
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shortland Street Wellington paranormal
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my life is murder the breaker up has
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give us a clue 7 days snack Masters
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super City with um taer um so much and
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and so many plays and stuff as well and
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I I get the feeling um the plays for you
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are maybe uh like a creative outlet and
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it's things like snack Masters that keep
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the the lights on that's a really good
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way of putting out like I feel so
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comfortable on stage doing a theater
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show so I guess
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that's yeah yeah that's right it's more
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enjoyable I I quite like like tuming
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like snack Masters like that doesn't I
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love doing it cuz I love the CH I love
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the challenge of presenting something
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and all the things that kind of come
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with it so it's just another um it's
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just another aspect to what I do so I
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think I really love the variety yeah
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yeah so much and um you yesterday
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knowing that you were coming in today I
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was just scrolling through your
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Instagram going right back and um I
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suppose I studied it with a different
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lens to someone that just sees the clips
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every day and watches them and you are
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so good at what you do like um it's such
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a talent to be able to observe people
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then nail their their mannerisms um when
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did that start were you like an
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introverted little boy and yeah I think
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like the observation kind of thing I
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think uh came from my family like my
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family love kind of discussing people in
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the eccentricities and having a bit of a
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laugh about different types of
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characters stuff usually like um usually
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with a kind of a lot of love and like
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especially my dad he's got such a keen
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sense of observation with people so I
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think I kind of learned it through that
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but growing up yeah I was really shy and
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um introverted um but I I didn't really
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kind of delve into the mimicry of people
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or uh until I was well into my adulthood
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so I
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wasn't really copying the teachers or
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anything like that at school you know
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how some kids are so good at being the
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clown and kind of mimicking the teachers
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that wasn't me because some of the some
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of the stuff I I watched it was like um
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you doing like a mom from the 80s uh
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explaining her calary skills and it's
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just you sitting there like you haven't
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done your hair there's no filter you're
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just wearing like a black cap shirt or
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something but it's still
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convincing yeah I think uh uh yeah
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sometimes I just wake up in the morning
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I've got terrible kind of puffy pillow
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face and my hairs I've got terrible bead
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here and I'm just kind of pinking it
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which is like I should I should
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considered that a little bit more but I
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think the um uh you know keep it in its
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purest form so I don't want any of that
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extra stuff anymore I used to be big
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into that and getting the wigs and all
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that kind of the outfits and things but
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I'm just like no let's just PE peer it
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back it seems like it seems lazy in a
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way like you're putting less effort in
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but it's like the fact that that um you
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can still do these characters and they
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seem convincing and they're funny um it
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says a lot about your I you were skill
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first of all but also how comfortable
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you now are with your skill but I also
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love like you say lazy like it is like I
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I think with all these things if it if
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it took too much effort to do in energy
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I don't think I'd do it as much so I
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think like by making it as easy as
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possible helps me and has the the more
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well known you've become has it become
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harder for you to um like just be a guy
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that's sitting in the corner observing
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people you CU you're at a point now I
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suppose where a lot of rooms you go into
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people are observing you yeah that's a
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really good point um I think I yes you
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do there's like an extra
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self-consciousness cuz yes I used to
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just kind of go to the food court or
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whatever and just sit there and just
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kind of just watch everyone and kind of
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take it all in so I do have to be a bit
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more aware of that yeah definitely so
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you Sav your disguises there for the
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food C exactly but that kep on those
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glasses on and just just observe could
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could you do me how would you do me I
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would first of all I'd mention running a
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lot
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and then maybe
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py and what uh and that's all I'm going
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to
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say you've got a wonderful kind of uh
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what is it kind of not raspy
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but yeah I don't want to I don't want to
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why I'll do it later are you um yeah
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yeah maybe we can do it do you get
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people asking you all the time can you
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do me is that a thing you get asked a
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lot no not not too much but I do get
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people kind of asking me to be
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characters and things like that in front
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of them um my sister and Perth we
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because of the you know 5our time
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difference and also yeah we're just in
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different phases of our life like we
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don't see each other all that much um
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but she will message me like every I
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don't know two 3 four weeks um just
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sharing a copy of one of your Clips
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saying who does this remind you of and
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it's like I can usually nail the the
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person in the broader family right away
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you hear that a lot from people that
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sort of thing it's l hearing about it
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it's more the kind of comments under
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underneath my videos I have such I just
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really D out and I abolutely
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love I mean it's so wanky D but the kind
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of the community the the comments
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underneath from the people are brilliant
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and that also inspires you know probably
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a quarter of the comments Inspire the
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next video they're like this reminds me
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so much of that time uh you know I wrote
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a dinky diary and so now sing I'm like
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I'm obsessed with dinky Diaries and kind
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of I'm folding that into my 80s kind of
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sketches and things like that so I think
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it's more the commons yeah it was a
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dinky diary when I watched the other day
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and it was about um the girl the girl
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that had the dinky diary like she had
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like a little trap booby trap thing on
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which was like a hair and remember broke
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the hair cell and it was like it was
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phenomenal did your sister have a dinky
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diary where did like where does this
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come from the dinky diary I had a um I
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had we all had Diaries me and my brother
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and sister we all had Diaries um but the
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dinky thing kind of came out in my
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adulthood that that even existed as a
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concept but the the yeah it's
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interesting it's also when you kind of
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tap into these things like you never
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think about Dinky Diaries and then
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you're suddenly in the zone of the 80s
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and you're thinking about eating the
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salads and you're thinking about you
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know um getting stationary at the
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beginning of the year and then your mind
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starts remembering other things and then
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you can all feed it in it's all kind of
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there buried yeah it's is so is the is
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the demograph of people that watch your
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Clips sort of people the same age or the
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same yeah so you can break it down you
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can put push a button and you can find
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out who's watching your stuff so mostly
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it's women age 35 to 45 is my kind of
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Dem Target demographic is what they say
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and it used to be mostly um kiwis well
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people in New Zealand but now it's
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actually more Australians but you know
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that would be I'm sure 50% new
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zealanders who now live there yeah so
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anyone of that age or anyone that's um
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had a dinky diary or had a sister with a
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dinky diary or had a salad with like
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grated carrot and half eggs and you got
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him um and how many how many different
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characters do you done like 100 200 yeah
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probably 200 over there's kind of stock
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St you know there's the the you know you
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can break it down to kind of stock
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standard characters you know Posh people
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or the dead or a younger like a guy like
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this kind of thing and so varying so I'd
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say there' probably be
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15 types of person and then all the
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characters just going of fit into that
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are you on um like Cameo or swiss you
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know those sites where people mainly do
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like video messages for fancy are you on
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any of those or no I'm not on any of
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those I kind of like I like it and
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sometimes people have seen me messages
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um saying hey can you do something for
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my mom and I'm more than happy to kind
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of do that I think that kind of the
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Cameo and making uh it's I think
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suddenly the pressure is there a part of
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me Dom just wants to be able to walk
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away at any moment even though I've been
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doing this for what seven years seven
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eight years a part of me still likes the
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concept of just being a like to step
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away at any time and having any of that
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pressure of having to do a cameo just
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doesn't sue me you if you're charging
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someone like 50 bucks I suppose they can
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be like well it's not as good as what I
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hoped you 100% 100% right yeah um what's
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your um I don't know if you know the
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answer to this but what's your longest
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streak your longest continuous daily
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streak oh that's a really good
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question uh I I wouldn't know but it's
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it's probably 3 weeks every day is
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probably pretty standard and then I'd
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have a day off to kind of gather myself
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for it's quite hard when you're working
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kind of
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fulltime um or doing a shoot or
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something like that it's always hard to
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kind of fit in the videos but yeah 3
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weeks I'd say it must feel like a lot of
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pressure from your community that people
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like where's where's I haven't seen one
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for two days what's going on this is a
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really good question I
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think I think there's multiple things
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kind of going on with it like I do get
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such a I love doing it I love kind of
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putting it out there and I love the kind
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of reaction I get from it and maybe I'm
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a little bit addicted to that like I'm
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sure there's some kind of dopamine hurt
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when video goes really well cuz
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definitely it's on the flip side when a
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video doesn't go well or people just
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don't kind of connect with it you're
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like oh but I know bummed out I know
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exactly I spent a good seven minutes
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working on that why have you ruined my
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day um but as appre
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uh uh yes but it's also really
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interesting with an online community
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because they are I feel like I kind of
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know these people but it's also like
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it's just comments on a video like it's
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so it's not you're not letting someone
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down to their face yeah yeah and you
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don't even know the people it's like but
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it is it's a dop thing M what's the um
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what's the planning process so you have
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an idea and you write in the notes
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section of your phone got it yeah yeah
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and but sometimes it's just like what am
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I going to do today and one of my most
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um
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uh like I really wanted to do a video
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but I had no idea for it and I was just
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kind of going through snapchat looking
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at different filters and there was one
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of this guy with really swollen face and
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the whole story kind of came out about
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it like he was dog sitting a dog that
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was meant to be hyperallergenic but he's
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kind of having a reaction to it and that
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video did so well and there was no that
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just came from looking at my face with
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this strange filter on so that was no
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prep at all so there's generally no
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scripting no never any
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scripting but I watched one the other
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day it was you I think you being a
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journalist talking to a politician about
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the housing crisis or something yes um
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that must have been scripted that was
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amazing that
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oh yes no that one so the the scripting
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bit is not actually for the listeners
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it's it's not the scripting wasn't on
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screen so I'm a journalist who doesn't
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get a word in eway with a politician but
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I wrote something out and I was reading
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it and I just H as a recording yes that
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was that was written yeah it was
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remarkable was it was really really good
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what about one take
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wonders many or like what's the Aver am
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of good question probably one and 10
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would be a one take Wonder most of them
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most of them would be probably three Tes
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you just kind of find out what it is
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when you're doing it but there is no
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it's you're just kind of vibing it out
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yeah there's not much prep even that's
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amazing cuz I I'll pull my phone out and
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do like a a running selfie like hey it's
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raining it's my favorite and it's just
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me being me but sometimes that'll take
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me like half a dozen to be me course
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yeah 100% it's it's
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because you might as well do it all you
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might as well do it satisfactory do you
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know what I mean if you've kind of
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screwed it up but also um I get tongue
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tired you know I um
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most of my characters as are big talkers
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and sometimes you just can't get all the
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woods out
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properly it's real refreshing to hear
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this like I I don't yeah I don't know
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what I was expecting part of me I
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suppose kind of hoped you had like a mle
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skin notebook and it was like well
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thought out and you had like a maybe if
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you're going on holiday you do 10 in
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advance and you schedule them and stuff
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but there's nothing like n n just wake
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up and just wake up often wake up and go
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what should I do this morning um but in
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saying that sometimes I've had um you
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know I've had five good ideas they've
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just come to me in a day and I've just
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kind of scribbled them on my notes and
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so sometimes there is a bit of prep and
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also with these things you don't know
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how much is prep like I might think of
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like the politician one I actually
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thought about that a couple of weeks ago
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and then I was like I should do
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something about that planted in my head
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but you don't your brain kind of
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processes it without you having to do
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much work if that makes sense and you've
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never um as far as I'm aware like you've
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never done any sort of like brand deals
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with them so it's it's always been like
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free free content
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always free content well no I've done
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probably over the seven years I've
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probably done about 12 brand content
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kind of stuff some of them were um
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fantastic like I did a Pizza Hut one
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where um I they got me to design my own
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pizza and then that became a whole thing
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for three weeks which was heaps of fun
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so things like that well I'm pleased
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about that yeah I'm pleased about that
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because yeah I mean it's the work the
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works so good and you've built up this
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amazing following if you can't sort of
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monetize it somehow well what I always
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say is that because you've got this
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falling like I just did a tour of
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Southland and people only came to the
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show because they knew my videos and
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that's how you kind of make it on box
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office and tickets house okay and other
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opportunities that come your way as a
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result of it 100% was was there like a
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like a Tipping Point sort of moment or a
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breakthrough Moment Like a moment where
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you think where you can actually sort of
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like pinpoint if you look back over the
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Tom S career not like it's all been
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so gradual like there been no kind of
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jump in my career it's all been like
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just the next slow progression
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sadly no I think that's kind of good in
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a way because if you have exponential
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growth then it's likely to be I think it
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increases the chances of being a One
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Clip Wonder or an exponential fall as
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well I think um slow and steady growth
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is the way to go yeah what about
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um the clips that you've like posted and
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then like delete it like an hour or two
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hours later like yes and there's two
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like there's uh yes there's ones that
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you're like this isn't as good as it can
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be or like I haven't nailed the joke
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usually I just kind of leave it up but
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sometimes I'm like this could be done
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better quickly take it down and you can
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do it better another time but there's
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also been ones where it's just kind of
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uh it's missed the Mark or it's a little
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bit kind of too mean or that kind of or
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it's going to be too contentious and do
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you have the energy to kind of boldly
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stand behind your kind of contentious
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kind of opinion which you taken those
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down like what is there anything that
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you can think cuz you're you're one of
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the least mean people I think I've met
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yeah I think it's when like you're you
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just have a lone mean threshold I've
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heard you say like you like um you like
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some provocative comedians like rookie
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ja um but you like to watch him being
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provocative rather
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than 100% you're watch it going God I
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wish I had that kind of boldness but no
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I'm I know go rcky and entertain me 100%
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I can't think of any off the top of my
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head but it would be it it would be more
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kind of um when you're kind of uh uh
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nastier to the characters it's like cuz
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my all the characters I do are so silly
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pompous full of themselves and stuff
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like that but when you're kind of kind
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of being mean about them in their
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situation or something that they can't
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kind of help or um yeah that's that's
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the that's the hard ones what was the
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story with um just Cinder and Clark's
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cat pedals yeah so pedals the cat that
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got run over I think it was on Meola
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Road and point sh yeah did you you did
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you did a character you got some
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backlash no what was the I did a video
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as Paula been like there was a the the
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timing I just had to commit to it the
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timing was great so pedals got run over
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and then Paula Bennett Nikki K Maggie
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Barry were all in a car doing a video at
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the same time and so I just kind of did
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a video that connected it that it was
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that car that ran over paddles I think
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most of people most people saw it and
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most people had a good laugh about it
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know the back story I just a split
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that's hilarious yeah like I have to do
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this yeah is there um is there any sort
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of fear of um like cancellation is that
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something that plays on the back of your
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mind
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uh um yes of course of course
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cancellation is always a thing to worry
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about
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especially sometimes when you're in the
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kind of the throw of kind of creativity
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you don't even realize what you're kind
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of creating so cancellation is something
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to consider but also there's a bit of if
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you've got a contentious video the next
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day everyone's kind of forgotten about
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it I find
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yeah this is so interesting I promise
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only another couple more about the no of
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course are these the questions you get
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asked all the time no not at all yeah um
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yes so politicians you've done oh by the
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way when you when you start typing your
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name into Google like Tom sainsbury the
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the you know how does the Google
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complete thing it comes up with Tom
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sainsbury just under wedding was that a
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clip you did or were you a guest at the
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wedding no I did a video of it that went
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hu I actually did take that video down
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it just was so cont I did a video of her
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talking about her wedding which was
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earlier this year or end of last year
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and I um it became very contentious yeah
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why I think it was because she
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unfortunately she's such a polarizing
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kind of character people kind of people
00:18:18
kind of used it as an opportunity to
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hate on her but then also to fend her
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and just became this big F wasn't so
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much on me it was more about the
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language that people were saying to each
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other and the commentary was just like
00:18:30
getting really toxic so I was like let's
00:18:32
just take this down or hide it yeah soz
00:18:35
is she is she a friend do you know who
00:18:37
um I no she's not a friend but I've
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metet her a few times yeah yeah what and
00:18:42
You' you've been on um yeah knowing you
00:18:44
were coming here I've listened to the
00:18:45
podcast you've been on you've been on
00:18:46
Simon Bridges that's right um and you've
00:18:48
been on Paula Bennett That's right yes
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um you seem to have a good relationship
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with those guys even though you
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mercilessly took the puss out of them
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yeah I think it's it's an interesting
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one with them because when I kind of
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first started doing it um uh I didn't
00:19:03
really think of them as people but then
00:19:04
when you kind of it's an interesting
00:19:06
thing when you mimic someone and you
00:19:08
watch so many videos of them I just
00:19:10
connected with the humanity and then of
00:19:12
course I did the show called have you
00:19:14
been paying I um give us a clue which is
00:19:16
a shres thing with Paula with me Paula
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and Hillary Barry and then Simon came on
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and did a few things and so you just
00:19:22
kind of T to these people and and with
00:19:24
all the politicians even though I take
00:19:26
the piss out of them and I might not
00:19:27
agree with them I kind of enjoy them as
00:19:30
characters and quite enjoy them as
00:19:32
people yeah as people yeah Michelle
00:19:34
Obama's got this quote that I really
00:19:35
like it she she see something it's I'm
00:19:38
I'll probably botch it up but it's
00:19:39
something like um most people are hard
00:19:40
to dislike up close that's that's such a
00:19:43
that's I've never heard that that's
00:19:44
that's it it's really true yes I've had
00:19:46
someon bridges on the podcast and he he
00:19:48
was Bloody great I know bloody great and
00:19:50
also got such a good sense of uh humor
00:19:52
about himself what about Trump did have
00:19:55
you do you done much with American
00:19:57
politics it'd be very easy to do he is
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easy to I've actually just done Mike
00:20:01
Pence his VP back in the day but it just
00:20:05
didn't kind of connect with my or like
00:20:06
the audience just weren't interested in
00:20:08
anything American it's
00:20:10
interesting you know I should just make
00:20:12
videos that kind of inspire me and stuff
00:20:14
but it has been quite interesting doing
00:20:16
I've been doing lot less politics now
00:20:18
because I've got so many Australians
00:20:19
people from the UK and so many Americans
00:20:21
kind of watching my stuff that the more
00:20:23
localized stuff just doesn't connect
00:20:25
with
00:20:27
people that's so fascinating hey thanks
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for sharing all that St pleasure can we
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um talk about young Tom now yeah of
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course okay so um yeah the year year so
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you're from Dey farm and M meta you got
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it um what best and worst things about
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being a farm cut did you enjoy it I used
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to I used to get sent in the school
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holidays to my uncle and Auntie's Farm
00:20:46
in Lana I [ __ ] hated it did you
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couldn't stand it it was awful it's
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always last to get up in the morning
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last to put on my overalls and I'd get
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the the the [ __ ] spot on the back of the
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tractor where the mud gets flung up yes
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this I'm this is all speaking to me what
00:21:01
would I say would be the worst the best
00:21:03
thing about it would be uh okay the
00:21:07
worst would might
00:21:09
be there was never on a farm you never
00:21:12
relax cuz anything can happen at any
00:21:14
time and so sometimes you'd be going and
00:21:17
helping dad with a cow that's having
00:21:19
trouble sorry You' be helping dad with a
00:21:22
cow that's having trouble in the middle
00:21:23
of the night do you know what I mean so
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it's just a sense of uh you can't fully
00:21:28
relax I think that would be the and I
00:21:30
think I think Farmers across the world
00:21:32
would appreciate that Vibe the the best
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thing about it would probably be I just
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loved having so much kind of empty space
00:21:39
to kind of just kind of go and wander
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and kind of be myself and uh what else
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would I like about it also I I love
00:21:48
animals and even though I've got this
00:21:49
kind of uh complicated relationship with
00:21:52
farming them I did get to spend a lot of
00:21:54
time with
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animals yeah yeah yeah so let's say the
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bo thing actually is the The Killing and
00:22:01
the death like forget about the not
00:22:03
being able to relax yeah but there is
00:22:05
there's always jobs to be done it's like
00:22:07
I'd get up and have a nice relaxing
00:22:08
breakfast and my Auntie Robin I'd be
00:22:09
like oh can you take this Billy to the
00:22:12
vet and fill it up with milk and it was
00:22:13
like a couple hundred meters walk and
00:22:15
I'd have to Dom you are speaking my you
00:22:17
are we've had a Shar experience that's
00:22:20
exactly what it's like yeah they they
00:22:21
they called me a city slicker and I was
00:22:22
I was from Farmers from the ' 80s I was
00:22:24
hardly a city slicker but I just didn't
00:22:25
want to be on the farm and the smell of
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silage you got it it's awful um is that
00:22:31
why you're a vegan now I think it is
00:22:33
yeah when I think kind of back up well
00:22:35
it is I think um yeah like I'm I'm
00:22:39
terrible with my eating and stuff like
00:22:40
you know I'm not doing it for kind of
00:22:42
health reasons but it was definitely uh
00:22:44
having this this experience of seeing
00:22:48
animals that you kind of really
00:22:49
appreciate and enjoy and like and
00:22:50
they're your friends and then you can
00:22:51
see them killed it's it's
00:22:54
hard yeah yeah I'm um I'm I'm the worst
00:22:58
s of Meer like I uh yeah I'll gladly
00:23:01
pick it up from new world but I I don't
00:23:02
want to know the back story yeah but I I
00:23:05
mean there is that thing about not
00:23:06
wanting to know the backstory but I and
00:23:08
but someone said said to me uh if you
00:23:11
don't kill your own animal but you know
00:23:12
even in tribal times Dom not everyone
00:23:14
did the killing people did the
00:23:16
butchering some people did the Gathering
00:23:18
and then they ate the fruits of the the
00:23:19
meat so that's fine where you CU you
00:23:22
were always a creative CAD like you
00:23:24
started writing plays when you were like
00:23:25
nine yeah um where did that come from as
00:23:28
you know your dad creative is your mom
00:23:30
creative my mom is an English teacher
00:23:32
and both my both my parents were really
00:23:37
good big readers they would read to me
00:23:40
and they were also really uh they went
00:23:42
to all the movies especially led by my
00:23:44
mom and then my dad would be dagged
00:23:45
along and enjoy it but they took me to
00:23:47
some pretty amazing like I remember
00:23:48
watching Heavenly
00:23:50
Creatures um uh shist like when I was
00:23:55
like tinaa and just kind of being taken
00:23:57
to these amazing films and just kind of
00:23:58
enjoying them so I think the culture was
00:24:00
there but in terms of painter paper I
00:24:02
don't know where they came from shind
00:24:04
list doesn't seem like an appropriate
00:24:06
movie I think it was I think it was 11
00:24:09
and I remember going to it and kind of
00:24:11
been blowing away by it and you're um
00:24:15
you're you're you're a gay you're a gay
00:24:17
M well 75% gay of who of who you say
00:24:20
what what is yeah that was on another
00:24:21
podcast I think what what does what does
00:24:23
that mean what does 75% gay mean I think
00:24:26
I would describe well I think it's not
00:24:28
uh so binary for me of like I'm only
00:24:31
attracted to men I think wow let's just
00:24:36
say if we worked if I lived in a time um
00:24:40
I lived in a time where it was forbidden
00:24:42
I could have managed a relationship with
00:24:44
a woman and it would have been fine it
00:24:45
wouldn't been it wouldn't have been
00:24:46
completely against what I like white
00:24:49
knuckled it I could have white knuckled
00:24:50
it and been fine probably had probably
00:24:52
had kids but been very kind of Yearning
00:24:54
and unhappy but I would have been I
00:24:56
would have managed it when did you when
00:24:58
did you realize you were more into into
00:25:00
into guys than girls do you think well I
00:25:03
think a lot of kind of game men have
00:25:04
this experience of like you don't really
00:25:06
kind of uh you don't really address it
00:25:08
or kind of like I guess from when I was
00:25:10
like 11 or 12 I probably would have
00:25:13
known if I was honest with myself but
00:25:15
you just kind of
00:25:16
don't process those feelings you just
00:25:19
kind of kind of just keep soldiering on
00:25:21
and not kind of address it and then
00:25:22
whenever someone would kind of bring it
00:25:24
up or someone one of your friends with
00:25:25
have a girlfriend or something like that
00:25:27
or there was talk about girls to just
00:25:28
kind of like be a master of of
00:25:31
deflection deflection yeah right yeah so
00:25:36
you're growing up in like a place like
00:25:38
matam matter in the 80s or 90s whatever
00:25:41
it was yeah I can't imagine it was like
00:25:42
a hot bed of you no day activity you got
00:25:46
to like it was the uh like I've there's
00:25:50
no I've got no trauma about it but it
00:25:52
was definitely the worst the worst thing
00:25:54
you could be would be like societally or
00:25:57
in class it would be the worst thing you
00:25:59
could possibly be like there was most
00:26:01
aversion to gainers like you could be
00:26:03
the worst behaved boy but if you were
00:26:06
gay that was worse than that yeah but
00:26:09
also in saying that like I like there
00:26:11
was still so many avenues like there was
00:26:13
so much theater like theater was so kind
00:26:15
of um encouraged and encouraged for me
00:26:18
and all that kind and art and all that
00:26:20
kind of stuff still existed then you see
00:26:22
you you um came out I think to your
00:26:24
parents at like 28 yeah that's quite it
00:26:28
is I know did they know like you know
00:26:32
when you came out was it like okay Tom
00:26:34
yeah exactly T we know we haven't really
00:26:38
talked about we haven't really talked
00:26:40
about it but yeah they they must have
00:26:42
known was um yeah was that something
00:26:45
that you built up to be a big thing and
00:26:47
yeah of course but you know you know I
00:26:50
was like this is the weekend they're
00:26:51
coming up you have to tell them and then
00:26:53
you don't tell them and then another
00:26:54
year passes that's the vibe of it I know
00:26:57
I'm like just ripped it should have
00:26:59
ripped their Band-Aid off yeah yeah I'm
00:27:01
I'm intrigued by this stuff because as
00:27:03
um you know as like a heterosexual male
00:27:05
it's not a just something you don't even
00:27:07
have to think about it's not a
00:27:08
conversation you have to have and it
00:27:09
just feels like a extra level of
00:27:12
complexness and an already complicated
00:27:15
time of your life um yeah I
00:27:18
definitely I would yeah also like maybe
00:27:23
I haven't kind of processed any of those
00:27:25
feelings or anything like that
00:27:26
or you
00:27:28
shut yourself down so much to any of
00:27:30
that kind of feeling that you don't
00:27:33
really uh experience anything truthfully
00:27:36
but you also have kind of put this armor
00:27:37
up so nothing's really penetrated you
00:27:39
yeah excuse the
00:27:41
pun pun
00:27:43
excused
00:27:45
um did you want to talk about the spoon
00:27:47
Don stuff I about that yeah so you're um
00:27:50
I'm like um I suppose I've I've got um a
00:27:54
level of curiosity about this cuz um joj
00:27:56
and I when we were married we had years
00:27:57
and years of um IVF and fertility
00:27:59
treatment yes um in the end that was
00:28:01
unsuccessful after something like six
00:28:03
rounds of IVF so then we went into the
00:28:05
donor spoon donor SPO um route and
00:28:07
ultimately we gave up and that wasn't
00:28:09
successful but um um first of all yeah
00:28:12
good on you for doing it it's really
00:28:13
cool so um so you've got two biological
00:28:17
children that's right running around and
00:28:20
love them like it's just it just keeps
00:28:22
getting better and better and I'm so
00:28:24
lucky uh from the get-go the mother so
00:28:27
um I donated to lesbian couple so each
00:28:30
of them had a child age so the children
00:28:32
are technically biologically half
00:28:34
siblings and um just by I think it's
00:28:38
just like like I really love the parents
00:28:40
I love the family and it's just I think
00:28:42
by luck we just took a chance and it
00:28:44
kind of paid off and we get on really
00:28:45
well I'm I'm sure there are that and I
00:28:48
recommend people do it and I really
00:28:49
encourage people do um guys to do it but
00:28:52
I might have locked out so I I
00:28:55
think I I think with other people maybe
00:28:58
I don't know it it may go peer shaped
00:29:01
but thankfully for me it hasn't so you
00:29:03
so they they approach you they approach
00:29:06
me they had a kind of a we had a mutual
00:29:08
friend and then the friend kind of rang
00:29:09
me up said do you want to meet these two
00:29:10
and I kind of did and then we just kind
00:29:12
of everything the ball started rolling
00:29:14
before I really thought about it and now
00:29:15
there were two beautiful children
00:29:16
running around yeah you you make it
00:29:18
sound real easy but having um been in
00:29:20
the same position as this this um
00:29:23
lesbian couple and having to ask a
00:29:25
friend of mine to do it there's quite a
00:29:26
few hops to go through like he had to go
00:29:27
through some counseling and then there's
00:29:30
the specimen room specimen room the the
00:29:33
wank room the wank room okay the wank
00:29:35
room so this is my realization because I
00:29:37
used to laugh about it because it was
00:29:38
all carpeted like it's floor ceiling
00:29:41
walls the carpet and the whole time I
00:29:43
was like this is feels not right because
00:29:46
surely You' need surfaces that you could
00:29:48
easily wipe down but someone explained
00:29:50
to me it's for sound it's like it's
00:29:52
insulation so all the carpets in the
00:29:54
room so that people can't hear you m
00:29:59
and I didn't even think about that I'm
00:30:00
like that makes so much sense yeah but
00:30:02
most it's guys that are providing the
00:30:04
specimen in this room it most guys start
00:30:07
I think um discovering themselves and
00:30:09
discovering masturbation in the teenag
00:30:10
years when you're living at home we know
00:30:12
how to do it silently I know I know I
00:30:14
know so um whereabouts was it was it
00:30:17
fertility Associates the one in um Ally
00:30:20
or the one in green L Green Lane yeah
00:30:22
you know what's that one called I don't
00:30:23
know I can't I can't remember what that
00:30:24
one's called that's the L bougie one but
00:30:26
the um yeah I've been in that specimen
00:30:29
room as well and so there was a lazy boy
00:30:31
chair with like a shet over oh my God
00:30:33
yes and there was no one else has been I
00:30:35
don't know I've been anyone to went to
00:30:37
this room you're talking about and
00:30:39
there's like a there's like a um uh uh a
00:30:42
filing cabinet in the corner when I was
00:30:44
there and you kind oh kind of you open
00:30:45
it and there's one well thumbed to
00:30:46
Penthouse and then
00:30:48
that's that's the extent of it yeah yeah
00:30:50
there was there was a penthouse I'm
00:30:52
thinking I've got I've got D my phone
00:30:55
I'm good I'm good and then um
00:30:58
yeah it's so I remember like they they
00:31:02
they give you the little ptle yes so you
00:31:04
you're going into the room I'm so glad
00:31:06
I'm talking to someone who's had this
00:31:07
experience so you know what you're doing
00:31:10
in the room they know what you're doing
00:31:11
in the room this so I um I got it done
00:31:14
as quickly as what I could and then I
00:31:15
left the room then I did like a fake
00:31:18
Sprint up to the reception cter and I
00:31:19
was like stop the clock stop the clock
00:31:21
no laughter or anything he it's not a no
00:31:24
it's all very very very serious and then
00:31:26
you kind of walk down with the Walk of
00:31:28
and you hand over cuz you've got to put
00:31:29
it in a bottle and then into a plastic
00:31:30
bag and hand that one over only one time
00:31:33
so I uh I went in seven times cuz there
00:31:36
was going to be two children I had to do
00:31:38
seven
00:31:39
deposits and only one time I had to wait
00:31:42
and I had to wait and I had to wait so
00:31:44
this poor guy was in there just unable
00:31:47
to kind of tip over but eventually he
00:31:49
emerged with a sweaty
00:31:54
brow Tom I can't believe I've met
00:31:56
someone else who's had the success
00:31:59
it's a it's a random thing and that's
00:32:00
why um um this is when I was still
00:32:03
trying um to have have a child with my
00:32:06
own sp and then um so I I asked a friend
00:32:08
to do it and there was um there was like
00:32:10
a checklist and a bunch of reasons why I
00:32:12
SED this particular friend part of it
00:32:13
because he had his own family and he
00:32:15
lived in a different part of the country
00:32:16
and we're not friends that see each
00:32:17
other that often so he wasn't going to
00:32:18
be around every weekend like saying oh
00:32:21
look at their eyes or yeah you know it's
00:32:24
kind of a weird I don't know from my
00:32:26
part it's probably an ego thing it's
00:32:27
like a weird sort of ownership thing you
00:32:29
don't want but um I think there's I I
00:32:31
think there's so much emot there's so
00:32:33
much involved in it there's so much um
00:32:36
uh emotion and there is that kind of
00:32:39
biological connection with whether you
00:32:40
have it or not like when when I first
00:32:42
met the children I didn't feel a huge
00:32:43
kind of biological urge with them but as
00:32:46
the kind of years have gone on like I'm
00:32:48
so kind of fond of them now and spend
00:32:50
more and more time with them so there is
00:32:52
you do kind of uh yeah it's it's
00:32:55
complicated and can be messy yeah but
00:32:58
it's um it's a big thing for you to go
00:33:01
through for someone else so yeah I know
00:33:04
you're good on you for doing that well
00:33:05
it isn't as isn't like you only have to
00:33:07
go seven wow well I'll tell you what the
00:33:09
hard thing was for me like actually I
00:33:11
had to do none of the other I didn't
00:33:13
have to carry a child for 9 months but
00:33:15
the um I think cuz I'm the most D I'm
00:33:18
the most screamish person I know and of
00:33:20
course you have to take these well I had
00:33:21
to take all these blood tests so you
00:33:22
take a blood test before you start um
00:33:25
depositing and then afterwards you have
00:33:27
to give one just so that you're clear of
00:33:28
any diseases that you might kind of give
00:33:30
to the mother and I just passed so every
00:33:34
time I did it I would I passed out well
00:33:36
the first time I did it I passed out
00:33:37
fell onto the ground this tiny Filipino
00:33:39
net to kind of carry me to the ground
00:33:42
and then I was like kind of sat in the
00:33:44
car kind of gathering myself for half an
00:33:45
hour and then I left and I got a phone
00:33:47
call going so sorry we didn't take
00:33:49
syphilis you have to go back and test
00:33:50
for syphilis I had to go to it
00:33:53
again syphilis yeah syphilis wow what is
00:33:56
this the 1800s syphilis who has syphilis
00:33:59
I know I reckon it would have been safe
00:34:01
um yeah and does this is probably not
00:34:04
something that you think about but I
00:34:07
suppose I'm thinking about on behalf of
00:34:08
you like you're you're quite you're
00:34:09
you're very well known like people know
00:34:11
the name or they know the face does that
00:34:14
add an extra level of embarrassment or
00:34:15
is it not something you think about like
00:34:17
when you're handing in when you're going
00:34:18
in there or you yeah I think uh back
00:34:21
then so this was 10 years ago when I did
00:34:23
the deposits and so I was just kind of
00:34:25
starting out on the scene my videos were
00:34:26
just kind of going out there so there
00:34:28
was none of that then I don't think and
00:34:30
it was also like cuz I was just getting
00:34:31
into standup I was like there's so much
00:34:33
about this that I can put into my
00:34:34
standup and and I have yeah yeah yeah I
00:34:38
suppose you can also go up to the
00:34:39
counter and be a character right Bo my
00:34:42
dad here exactly not actually Tom well
00:34:45
as you said with the kind of this
00:34:46
hitting the clock going finished stop
00:34:48
the they're not they're all very
00:34:50
professional and very clinical yeah so
00:34:52
so the AL so the kids are quite old now
00:34:55
yeah so eight and six
00:34:58
have they got your mannerisms or is
00:34:59
there anything that you can sort of see
00:35:01
yourself in them I can't but when I show
00:35:03
people pictures they're like I can see
00:35:05
you in it but I can't really see it so
00:35:06
much I think the I think um so the
00:35:11
8-year-old is a little girl and then
00:35:13
this sixy is a boy and the the the girl
00:35:17
has more than typical more than usual
00:35:21
child flear for theatrics in writing so
00:35:24
I'm like okay okay honey good luck to
00:35:27
you
00:35:28
yeah well that's cool and what do they
00:35:30
what do they call you is it just like
00:35:32
Tom or they call me Tom yeah yeah and
00:35:34
then um Tom but very very uh aware like
00:35:39
I and they've been explained to about
00:35:42
donation and all that kind of stuff so
00:35:43
they're very aware of it I think that's
00:35:46
healthy but yeah again from a parenting
00:35:48
perspective it's another layer of you
00:35:50
know explanation yeah I guess with um
00:35:54
you figure it out though you could
00:35:55
explain it to kids in a way that they
00:35:56
can handle it what whatever age they're
00:35:58
at I suppose yeah and there's also like
00:36:00
a commun like a rainbow community of
00:36:02
like parents in a similar situation so
00:36:04
like um that they're not the only ones
00:36:07
in the situation as far as I'm aware and
00:36:09
you and your partner Josh jacob jacob
00:36:12
Jacob you've been together a long time
00:36:14
now right you got a house we have we do
00:36:16
have a house yeah I think we've been
00:36:17
together for six seven years yeah right
00:36:20
right do you you guys want kids at no no
00:36:23
we've got a cash and that's enough for
00:36:24
us it's like we love having the kids
00:36:27
over
00:36:28
and also nieces and nephews but you know
00:36:29
when they go at the end of the day like
00:36:31
oh thank goodness I can rolls yeah but
00:36:34
we yeah we um we like to
00:36:40
chill are you guys married no you want
00:36:43
to get married no no yeah uh why we
00:36:47
fought for your rights I know I
00:36:50
know uh it's an interesting one and we
00:36:53
often kind of ask this question I think
00:36:55
neither of us want the kind of
00:36:58
you know the ceremony of the wedding
00:36:59
like I don't need that I just get you
00:37:01
know I'm I'm the center of attention on
00:37:03
stage doing standup and stuff like that
00:37:04
so I don't kind of need that and we're
00:37:07
also a little bit uh embarrassed about
00:37:11
public dispay of affection and for us
00:37:13
weddings is the most uh most public
00:37:16
display of a fiction that you can
00:37:17
possibly have but every wedding I go to
00:37:20
I love and I do love when people get
00:37:22
married but it's just not for us you
00:37:24
what does what does he do what does
00:37:25
Jacob do he works for the council so he
00:37:28
a he's a urban planner so he thinks he
00:37:31
thinks about things about the city and
00:37:33
how it's running so he's kind of talking
00:37:35
about aqueducts from Rome and he's
00:37:37
talking about how the city kind of runs
00:37:39
and the better way to do it and and
00:37:41
strip malls and and how to get flow of
00:37:43
people in so he kind of thinks about
00:37:46
Society what does he make of what you do
00:37:49
he is uh he's fully invested he's he's
00:37:54
what's really good about Jacob is he's
00:37:57
not not a f like he really appreciates
00:37:59
what I do but it would be bad if he was
00:38:00
a fan he's very
00:38:04
um he's very what's the
00:38:07
word truthful if if if he thinks
00:38:10
something's good he lets me know and if
00:38:12
it's not so good he's willing there to
00:38:14
talk about it which I think is healthy
00:38:15
for a relationship and he's uh and it
00:38:19
also means that when is when something
00:38:20
is good and he tells me it's good I know
00:38:22
it's
00:38:23
true if that all makes sense um are you
00:38:26
are you good at communicating and
00:38:27
relationships um really good question I
00:38:32
think uh I think uh previous
00:38:35
relationships not so much but for some
00:38:36
reason yeah quite badly in some previous
00:38:39
relationships but there's just I do
00:38:41
think there's something about finding
00:38:42
the right person for you and he and I
00:38:45
have no trouble with
00:38:47
it yeah that's good I think um everyone
00:38:50
needs those bad experiences because they
00:38:52
it's like the evolution process it leads
00:38:54
you to the that you are there's
00:38:56
something about like I don't I've want
00:38:57
to do my research but like three main
00:38:59
relationships in your life like this the
00:39:01
first one's just like the the throws of
00:39:04
the passion and stuff and the second one
00:39:06
you work out the relationship you work
00:39:08
out who you are in a relationship and
00:39:09
the third one's the one that kind of
00:39:10
works I think that might be true um I've
00:39:13
got a card here called miscellaneous
00:39:14
with some just bits and pieces of the
00:39:16
Tom Saints story on was your first job
00:39:18
on a um a commercial for a Canadian beer
00:39:22
yes it yes it was yes how the [ __ ] did
00:39:25
that happen um so they were filming okay
00:39:29
I don't know if I've talked about the
00:39:30
story they mol and dry came over and
00:39:33
like some kind of deal with New Zealand
00:39:35
they came over and they did eight ads
00:39:37
here um and I auditioned and they cuz
00:39:40
when you when you're an actor you I was
00:39:43
just taught they ask for your skills and
00:39:45
you just go I'm going to stick horse
00:39:48
riding and then if I get the job of
00:39:49
horse riding then you do it and so one
00:39:53
of the things I ticked was pyramid water
00:39:56
skiing so I I did the audition and then
00:39:58
they called me back they're like let's
00:40:00
come in and meet the producers I met all
00:40:02
the American Producers and stuff or
00:40:04
Canadian producers and they're like so
00:40:05
is it true that you can ski in a pyramid
00:40:09
like so like one the bottom on the
00:40:12
shoulders one person on the top they
00:40:13
asked me and I was like yep so I said
00:40:16
yes I could I'd never like I can barely
00:40:19
stand up on water skis it takes me so
00:40:21
long I was like in a pyramid are you
00:40:23
serious and so I it's very N I know so n
00:40:27
and I was like um yeah I can do that and
00:40:29
then I went and I just stressed about it
00:40:31
for days and then I rang up my agent and
00:40:33
said listen I don't she made it really
00:40:36
good she rang up and said he doesn't
00:40:37
feel comfortable doing a pyramid and
00:40:38
they're like that's fine we like him
00:40:40
come in and do this other AD so I did
00:40:42
this other AD of a Peeping Tom looking
00:40:44
through a hole in a toilet in a bathroom
00:40:46
at a house party and spying on a girl
00:40:50
they think but I'm actually staring at
00:40:51
the beer I'm like I can't wait to get
00:40:53
hold of that beer is that that on
00:40:55
YouTube or anywhere I haven't been able
00:40:57
to find it it would be crazy to find
00:40:58
what year was that it doesn't sound like
00:41:00
aged very well no not at all absolutely
00:41:04
not maybe 2002 or three right that was
00:41:08
age so how old were you then like in
00:41:09
your early 20s or whatever yeah would
00:41:11
have been 20 21 so you you left school
00:41:13
and you you you were drop out you were
00:41:16
doing like theater school and you
00:41:17
dropped out or something uh I auditioned
00:41:19
for theater school and didn't get in
00:41:20
okay so I didn't do a good enough job so
00:41:22
um in my audition and so then I just
00:41:24
went and did English Lit at Oakland uni
00:41:27
m
00:41:28
yeah what was the plan what was the plan
00:41:29
B Plan B was uh I think the writing like
00:41:33
I audition for drama school and didn't
00:41:35
do it and then I was like you know what
00:41:37
I'm going to be a playright so actually
00:41:38
focused on writing plays for years and
00:41:40
years and years yeah um you met Katie
00:41:44
Perry in Vegas I did what's the how like
00:41:47
randomly or is it like a like a one of
00:41:49
those VIP meeting greets where got it
00:41:51
you pay a couple hundred bucks or
00:41:53
something for that you got it um so we
00:41:56
were over menum kiwi friends but I
00:41:58
didn't actually have to pay for the meet
00:41:59
and greed so even though I told everyone
00:42:01
that I actually have a connection to
00:42:03
someone a kiwi that works in her company
00:42:05
so he managed to kind of get me into the
00:42:07
VIP experience and I love Katy Perry so
00:42:10
I got to meet her before her concert of
00:42:13
um where you talk to her for 2 minutes
00:42:14
and then have a photo and stuff like
00:42:15
that but I was so badly sunburned and I
00:42:17
was so hot and I was so sweaty that when
00:42:20
I had a photo I put my face on who like
00:42:22
I didn't want to put my armor under cuz
00:42:23
I had you know those big sweat things
00:42:25
under my arm so I was like C on my arm
00:42:27
around cuz my pit Will sweat all over it
00:42:29
so I just went face to face with my
00:42:31
hands stiffly bym as side and when our
00:42:32
faces touched when we pulled apart there
00:42:35
was like a so and you can see this if
00:42:38
you scroll back far enough on
00:42:40
Instagram oh my God that's amazing you
00:42:43
is she your like favorite artist one of
00:42:45
your favorites uh no my favorite
00:42:48
artist across the board any discipline
00:42:51
of art I would say Stephen King is my
00:42:53
favorite artist the writer of horror h
00:42:57
oh I heard on another podcast you were
00:42:59
doing that you're whenever this podcast
00:43:01
was recorded you were in the process of
00:43:03
reading all 60 of his books yeah so did
00:43:07
you do that no I'll be up to 30 now so
00:43:09
I'm reading Kujo which I'm sure everyone
00:43:12
the dog yeah um you've been um a
00:43:15
practicing Buddhist for 16 years good on
00:43:18
you do yeah um yeah why What attracted
00:43:21
you to Buddhism I was uh dating a
00:43:24
Buddhist and I was working with a
00:43:25
Buddhist randomly and they kind of uh
00:43:28
they kind of just kind of I kind of
00:43:30
exposed to it gently and then every time
00:43:33
I heard more about it I was like this
00:43:34
just really fits in with what I think
00:43:35
about life and all that kind of stuff
00:43:37
and then I it took me two years to kind
00:43:39
of make any commitment and I'm so glad I
00:43:41
did um and it's a practice I mean it
00:43:44
does require a little bit of discipline
00:43:45
and when you are disciplined you reap
00:43:46
the rewards but otherwise yeah it's
00:43:48
wonderful what you yeah what are the
00:43:50
what are the main sort of like
00:43:51
foundations of it what's the I think
00:43:53
it's like it well a big thing is like
00:43:57
kind of taking any kind of uh what you
00:43:58
might perceive as like negative emotions
00:44:00
or anything like that and just going
00:44:01
okay what is the what is the worth and
00:44:03
what is the good out of this that I can
00:44:05
kind of take from it or grow from it and
00:44:07
also not putting Judgment of like evil
00:44:09
and bad and all those kind of things
00:44:10
going okay what is the good in here the
00:44:12
main um tenant is for me so you chant
00:44:16
num and one of the translations of that
00:44:19
is um to grow loest flowers out of mud
00:44:22
so it's like basically taking any bad
00:44:23
situation and finding the good and what
00:44:26
about the reincarnation aspect of it
00:44:28
yeah that's the one thing I strugg I
00:44:30
struggle with that concept that's the
00:44:33
one thing I struggle with but it must
00:44:35
make you feel feel good about all the
00:44:37
animals that you and your family killed
00:44:39
yeah
00:44:40
exactly that's still that come back come
00:44:43
back I know um small town Scandal this
00:44:47
was a podcast you did last year yes um
00:44:50
so how did how did that come about was
00:44:52
that someone was it Sam Collins from got
00:44:55
us yes yeah yeah yeah he's a great guy
00:44:57
yeah he's um so wonderful I love him he
00:44:59
just I did a uh cooking I did a food
00:45:02
podcast for them and he's like if you've
00:45:04
got any ideas please come and reach out
00:45:06
to me and and we the idea was doing
00:45:10
something like this like having a kind
00:45:11
of a conversational kind of one but I
00:45:13
was like what am I what what am I into
00:45:17
and I've been listening to so many I
00:45:19
think podcasts are my favorite are my
00:45:22
favorite and I was listening to so many
00:45:24
of the True Crime ones or the famous
00:45:25
ones making my way through S and
00:45:27
teachers pit and things like that in
00:45:29
[ __ ] town and uh just going I'm also my
00:45:33
comedy is taking the piss a bit so I'm
00:45:35
like let's do taking a p out of a small
00:45:37
town Scandal True Crime documentary and
00:45:40
so that's how it kind of
00:45:42
happened yeah it's it's it's amazing I I
00:45:44
only started listening to it the other
00:45:45
day knowing that you were coming in here
00:45:47
so it's basically an extension of what
00:45:49
you do on social media so it's you doing
00:45:52
a it's only you but it's you doing like
00:45:54
a total of I think 50 characters all up
00:45:56
and the course of the series but you
00:45:58
don't have the with social media you
00:46:01
have your face and your hand mannerisms
00:46:03
and you know face filters or whatever
00:46:06
but this is just voice only which is
00:46:08
makes it extra difficult what was the
00:46:09
process with that the so yeah they were
00:46:12
40 I think they're 46 cars in total um
00:46:16
but how we would do my brain would turn
00:46:18
into absolute mush and I could only
00:46:20
manage doing three so we wouldn't record
00:46:22
it like I wouldn't if there was a
00:46:23
conversation I wouldn't do one character
00:46:25
then the other back and forth I just
00:46:27
record all of one character and I could
00:46:29
only do three at a time because if I did
00:46:32
anymore I like I don't know who I am
00:46:34
anymore so thanks to them thanks to Sam
00:46:37
and Adam who did the recording it was
00:46:38
very kind of it was very
00:46:40
um uh short bursts and is there talk
00:46:45
about that being made into a TV show now
00:46:47
that's right yeah so we're developing it
00:46:49
um a TV producer uh listened to us and
00:46:51
she's like this would be great for a
00:46:52
television show so we kind of put on an
00:46:54
application I had very low hopes for it
00:46:56
and then they let's do it so it's all
00:46:57
kind of happening at the moment so it's
00:47:00
it's only very uh it's only in the right
00:47:02
scripting stage at the moment so how's
00:47:04
that going to work in terms of actors
00:47:05
and stuff is it just you um it's not so
00:47:08
we're going to get all the other I'm
00:47:10
just going to play the lead and everyone
00:47:12
else is going to play we're going to
00:47:13
cast all the other roles um people are
00:47:16
like why isn't it all you and I'm like
00:47:19
with PR like it would just take it would
00:47:21
just be a nightmare it would be a
00:47:23
logistical nightmare for me to do
00:47:25
everything and to slow it like it would
00:47:27
be so slow of like me having to go and
00:47:29
get my wig fitted and my big hook nose
00:47:31
put on to do all the other side of the
00:47:33
scene it would just be too much of a
00:47:34
nightmare yeah and you've um you've had
00:47:36
some meetings in the states say about
00:47:38
doing some work over there yeah yeah how
00:47:41
how'd you get on with him um it's all uh
00:47:44
it's a kind of a lukewarm I've got a
00:47:46
kind of manager over there that I'm just
00:47:48
kind of keeping in touch with it's in
00:47:50
ever since the writer strike last year
00:47:54
and actually I was over there when it
00:47:55
was kind of happening it's it's
00:47:57
Hollywood is kind of a bit dead now and
00:47:59
my manager's advice was just like just
00:48:01
focus on your TV show and get it kind of
00:48:04
done and then we'll see what
00:48:05
happens yeah cuz the um yeah how do you
00:48:09
like how do you find the Americans
00:48:11
they're relentlessly positive a and
00:48:13
they're so enthusiastic yeah but um do
00:48:16
you leave the those meetings like how
00:48:17
many people are in those meetings let's
00:48:19
set the scene for
00:48:20
us usually actually usually it's like
00:48:23
one on one or one on two like me and I
00:48:25
go and meet with two people or I just go
00:48:27
and meet one person quite casually in a
00:48:30
cafe somewhere and just kind of chat
00:48:31
with them and stuff they
00:48:34
are there is the cliche of them been
00:48:36
relentlessly positive but you can also
00:48:38
tell pretty early on you can tell pretty
00:48:40
early on that they're not vibing with
00:48:42
you um or that or that if they're not
00:48:45
vibing with you or it's mostly the idea
00:48:47
they're like I'm not really you can tell
00:48:48
when someone's not into your idea
00:48:50
because you can of go in there and you
00:48:51
just try and Pitch your uh story ideas
00:48:54
um but occasionally
00:48:57
occasionally you win them over so you
00:48:59
kind of just sit down with them you're
00:49:00
like hi you shed a bit have a bit of
00:49:02
small talk and then they're like what do
00:49:03
you want to talk about because time is
00:49:04
money you've got 20 minutes with these
00:49:06
people or 40 minutes and then you just
00:49:09
kind
00:49:09
of pretel off your your TV ideas and see
00:49:13
how what if if anything kind of hits
00:49:15
with them yeah from the um the thousands
00:49:19
of hours of stuff you've done on stage
00:49:21
like are you are you good at winning
00:49:22
people over if you can tell they're not
00:49:24
initially no I'm terrible I'm I'm I'm
00:49:26
not so yeah I'm not very good at
00:49:31
it what I love about Americans is that
00:49:34
they what I love and I and it kind of
00:49:37
goes against my whole sensibility is how
00:49:40
relaxed they are and their successes
00:49:42
like they're like yep I've done the show
00:49:45
yep it was awarded I'm a great person
00:49:47
I'm a wonderful person and you're like
00:49:49
what no I kind of go on going here's my
00:49:51
script don't bother reading it it sucks
00:49:53
and I suck please don't call me again
00:49:55
and then running off going hope they
00:49:57
call me and you're just like I've just
00:49:59
don't and people are like what is wrong
00:50:01
with you and I'm yeah it's yeah it's the
00:50:05
Kiwi way though like the um yeah I don't
00:50:08
know what I don't know why we're why
00:50:09
we're like that I think um yeah like
00:50:12
other kiwis have had on the the podcast
00:50:13
like M like Martin Henderson for example
00:50:16
I think after a while they learned that
00:50:17
this is this is how you have this is
00:50:18
what you have to do to survive over
00:50:20
there you do it's it's so unnatural it
00:50:22
goes against everything we taught you
00:50:24
got it it's interesting but it's it's
00:50:26
like the British people I've met have
00:50:28
kind of got the same Vibe as us like I
00:50:30
get it Australians I feel are more the
00:50:32
American thing like when I've had
00:50:33
meetings and I'm like the Australians
00:50:34
are much more American and much more
00:50:36
kind of confident and and owning their
00:50:38
successes and how great they are I feel
00:50:40
like um new zealanders are getting
00:50:42
getting better at that if if my friends
00:50:43
on LinkedIn are anything to go by yes
00:50:45
the LinkedIn posts are very American I
00:50:48
think LinkedIn has just created
00:50:50
environment where it's okay for new
00:50:51
zealanders to do that yeah cuz in all
00:50:53
the comments immediately afterwards no
00:50:55
one's saying take your hand off it it's
00:50:56
always y I know I know so good on Linton
00:51:01
um oh I wanted to ask you about this I
00:51:04
heard this on um another podcast um so
00:51:07
your parents were in the audience once
00:51:09
when you did some rude jokes you didn't
00:51:11
in this podcast you didn't elaborate on
00:51:12
what it was oh like there's multiple
00:51:15
things there was one there's this one
00:51:18
image boomed into my head so in one play
00:51:20
I did I uh there's ejaculate so I am
00:51:25
seduced by this dance and then I um
00:51:27
ejaculate and I had this whole rig of
00:51:29
shampoo in my hand and then as a fun gag
00:51:32
we learned that I could spray it into
00:51:33
the audience and this the audience would
00:51:36
scream at it like getting hit with
00:51:37
shampoo and I just remember flinging one
00:51:39
time and it's only then that I realized
00:51:40
that my mother was in the audience and
00:51:43
it sprayed all over her face but did
00:51:47
you like did you know that she was in
00:51:49
the crowd or she surprise I thought she
00:51:52
was it was like um she I didn't realize
00:51:55
she was coming there and I I hadn't
00:51:56
really thought about you coming that
00:51:58
night exactly you got it Tom um yeah no
00:52:01
so and it wasn't at all it just kind of
00:52:03
the spray went across her glasses I was
00:52:05
like I this is the worst and another
00:52:08
time was just yeah when I was first
00:52:10
starting out on Comedy and stuff like I
00:52:11
was much more kind of Frank about my
00:52:13
sexual escapades I like oh my poor
00:52:14
parents but we don't even like it's a
00:52:18
wonderful way they don't even kind of
00:52:20
address it but that makes it even worse
00:52:23
does it make it worse in a way it's like
00:52:25
the elephant in the room like say so you
00:52:27
you know you sprayed it with your fake J
00:52:29
she knows she got sprayed with your fake
00:52:30
J um I actually am really comfortable
00:52:33
not kind of I think we're both kind of
00:52:35
happy going let's not even address this
00:52:37
and just keep going um so I think this
00:52:42
was in two separate podcasts um you
00:52:44
talked about you were asked the same
00:52:45
question but by two different hosts at
00:52:47
two different times your favorite
00:52:48
karaoke song and in one of them you said
00:52:50
um uh Ace of Bas the sign yes which is a
00:52:55
fabulous song yes um and the other one
00:52:57
you said House of the Rising Sun by The
00:52:59
Animals and I thought I could see I
00:53:02
could see both of them like um the
00:53:03
sign's just it's it's a great it's a
00:53:05
great [ __ ] pop song gay anthem
00:53:07
perhaps um House of the Rising Sun I
00:53:09
could imagine you doing that and doing
00:53:11
the almost like the character voice you
00:53:13
got it um it's really good and I'd also
00:53:15
probably probably throw in chandelier in
00:53:17
there as well C chandelier um no see see
00:53:21
chier it is yeah but I think with the
00:53:24
ace the thing I chose Ace of B because
00:53:27
um I'm not a very good singer but one
00:53:29
time I had to sing that song randomly
00:53:31
and it came to me I was like okay so
00:53:33
this is I've got reasonable B of skill
00:53:35
to do Ace of Bas um how of the rising
00:53:37
sign there's a whole journey about it
00:53:39
and you can you know you can pretend to
00:53:41
be in a western and there's a whole kind
00:53:44
of beautiful theatrics associated with
00:53:46
it and then same with chandelier you can
00:53:48
just kind of really let it
00:53:50
rip do you how often does this happen
00:53:52
how are you no once a year yeah once a
00:53:56
year so oh here's sainsbury but once you
00:53:59
know usually around usually around
00:54:00
December actually you know here
00:54:02
Sainsbury's doing The House of the
00:54:03
Rising Sun yeah um I ran Pastor
00:54:05
billboard yesterday for a play that
00:54:07
you're doing with um Chris Parker and
00:54:10
could have forest and brle St for us
00:54:12
camping that's right yeah what is
00:54:14
camping camping is a play that we're
00:54:16
doing with Silo theater and it is a
00:54:19
we're calling it a I'm well I'm calling
00:54:22
it like a sex comedy so it's like an
00:54:24
adult um adult based comedy where um
00:54:28
cter and I play husband and wife Chris
00:54:30
and Brinley play newlyweds and we've
00:54:32
both booked the same Booker badge or
00:54:35
Airbnb and something like that and
00:54:36
suddenly like we're all kind of stuck
00:54:38
together and it's all kind of like
00:54:39
mounting tensions and all that kind of
00:54:41
carry on and you you guys did like a a
00:54:44
camp out at the theater like a right
00:54:46
like a week ago or a couple of weeks
00:54:47
prior to this what for just like PR it
00:54:50
was for PR um and uh it was for yeah for
00:54:54
PR but people could also kind it was
00:54:56
live stream so people could check in and
00:54:58
give us questions and stuff like that
00:54:59
but mostly just to um to get awareness
00:55:02
about doing the play and it was a dream
00:55:05
come true loved it you in Chris Parker
00:55:07
you're really tight yeah we're we we're
00:55:09
dear old well yeah we're dear old
00:55:11
friends it's been 10 years here that's
00:55:13
that's an old friend I'd say what you
00:55:15
guys do is it quite similar or no um
00:55:18
like in terms of like multiple multiple
00:55:20
characters no yeah no it's like a how's
00:55:22
it different it's like a standard it's
00:55:25
like a it's like like a amram British F
00:55:30
so what you would go to at your Small
00:55:32
Town Theater but we kind of putting the
00:55:34
sheen of a bit more kind of money and
00:55:36
stuff behind it and and we're knowingly
00:55:39
in it but we're just playing the one
00:55:40
character right on no I mean like what
00:55:43
what you both do respectively on social
00:55:45
media sorry it's like in terms of like
00:55:48
playing a whole lot of different um what
00:55:50
we what Chris and I do yes no we're
00:55:52
definitely um we are definitely uh got
00:55:56
slightly different um takes on
00:55:58
characters and things but there's
00:56:00
definitely lots of crossover and there's
00:56:02
also like um we flick each other
00:56:05
messages going hey have you done
00:56:07
something about you know wasting Q for
00:56:09
something and we're like no I haven't
00:56:10
done that it's like I'm going to do a
00:56:11
video I'm like perfect and uh Chris for
00:56:15
me is just the master of observation
00:56:19
like I kind of um fency myself kind of
00:56:21
enjoying that kind of stuff but the the
00:56:23
observations he makes I'm like God damn
00:56:26
it you're so clever no it's incredible
00:56:29
though that we've got um both you guys
00:56:31
like National prises and you both do
00:56:33
like these things on social media where
00:56:34
you managed to tap into the Kiwi psyche
00:56:36
or the Australian psyche and you both do
00:56:37
it so well yeah um yeah and and you're
00:56:41
both doing it at the same time as well I
00:56:42
know so cool and that we're friends as
00:56:44
well I think it's it's great and also
00:56:47
inspiring there is the thing of like
00:56:50
damn it he's so you know like when he's
00:56:52
I'm like why didn't I think of that but
00:56:54
I have that across the board whenever I
00:56:55
watched Tik Tok or anything I'm like oh
00:56:57
that's such a good idea yeah yeah who um
00:57:03
yeah who sort of inspired you growing up
00:57:05
how old are you what are you 40 I'm 42
00:57:07
so was it Chris Lily for you or is there
00:57:09
someone before Chris Lily Chris Lily
00:57:11
inspired me later but do you know who I
00:57:12
was actually thinking about this today
00:57:14
Leslie Nelson from Naked Gun can you
00:57:16
remember he I just remember being six
00:57:19
watching nak gun 33 in a thir or
00:57:21
whatever it was called in the movie
00:57:24
cinema scre like as a no I would have
00:57:26
been seven or eight I can't remember but
00:57:28
just screaming with laughter the entire
00:57:30
time I just found him so funny so
00:57:32
strangely llee neelson and then after
00:57:35
that I started watching French and
00:57:36
Saunders so Dawn French and Jennifer
00:57:38
Saunders and just all of their skits I
00:57:40
was like this is this is
00:57:42
me I love those Naked Gun movies as well
00:57:44
we had a little video store around the
00:57:46
corner from our house in palis north and
00:57:47
we we'd hire those movies over and over
00:57:49
again yeah so God jokes never got old
00:57:51
nice Beaver don't call me Shirley yes
00:57:56
so good and then there was one called
00:57:58
airplane do you remember that one from
00:58:00
yeah and I just remember watching that
00:58:02
like on like it's just so stupid and but
00:58:05
it's still funny listening to your son
00:58:07
is really good hey um yeah one thing I
00:58:10
like um talking about with my guest when
00:58:12
they're open for it is about their their
00:58:14
mental health how's how's yours
00:58:17
been my mental health I how I kind of
00:58:20
explain it is whenever I'm um feeling
00:58:23
anxious or down or anything like that
00:58:25
it's often I I don't really kind of
00:58:28
describe myself as a depressive or an
00:58:29
anxious person because it's often if you
00:58:31
take take me out of this situation like
00:58:34
if if I was having a stressful time and
00:58:36
someone's like you don't need to worry
00:58:37
about anything more you're going to Bary
00:58:38
for the week my mood would instantly
00:58:41
like instantly be fine and i' totally be
00:58:43
so it's it's usually
00:58:45
circumstantial um when I'm kind of
00:58:47
feeling down or anything like that and
00:58:49
it's um but there are definitely kind
00:58:52
of patterns of kind of feeling
00:58:54
overwhelmed or uh not not behaving in
00:58:59
your best way or or being really
00:59:02
frightened about situations that can
00:59:04
kind of compound and so it's but the
00:59:07
older I get the more I'm aware of the
00:59:09
triggers and all that kind of stuff so
00:59:11
i' would explain it I do get down I do
00:59:13
get really anxious yeah I think that's
00:59:15
human though way um yeah you you you
00:59:18
have a lot on your plate you always have
00:59:21
I'm so thankful that you're here today
00:59:22
because I know how I know how busy you
00:59:24
are but um long time P I have you yeah I
00:59:28
have likewise but I find if I get if I
00:59:30
get more than a few things on my plate I
00:59:32
start to get like overwhelmed like I the
00:59:34
the diary overwhelms me yeah 100% um
00:59:36
yeah so how do you how do you manage
00:59:38
manage that like um the opportunity that
00:59:40
you've got versus how much you can
00:59:41
actually handle it's a it's still a work
00:59:44
in process uh work in progress progress
00:59:46
work in progress Dom so um you know it's
00:59:49
still happening and I was really kind of
00:59:51
overwhelmed earlier in the year um what
00:59:54
has really helped s sadly and I'm really
00:59:57
privileged that I can afford it I've got
00:59:58
a someone helping me in EA like a
01:00:00
personal assistant kind of thing and
01:00:02
she's kind of helping me with the stuff
01:00:04
cuz contracts and business emails just
01:00:08
really drag me down and I put them off
01:00:11
and then they compound and they get
01:00:12
worse and it's like why haven't you
01:00:13
signed this contract things to get need
01:00:15
to get moving and just by having her
01:00:16
there to facilitate that has just
01:00:18
alleviated so much but you shouldn't um
01:00:21
that seems common sense to me because
01:00:22
you you've got this very particular set
01:00:24
of skills that um well no one else can
01:00:26
do really like it's um it's very very
01:00:29
unique and it's a very special talent so
01:00:31
it should not be expected that you're
01:00:32
going to be good at um you know crossing
01:00:34
the tees and dotting the eyes well yes I
01:00:37
know but being okay with like I agree
01:00:41
intellectually but to actually believe
01:00:43
that as hard and and being um like a
01:00:45
self-described like people pleaser or or
01:00:48
yes man or whatever you want to call it
01:00:50
um yeah do you do your own negotiations
01:00:53
and things or you must get [ __ ] over a
01:00:55
lot
01:00:56
the good thing is with the kind of
01:00:58
acting kind of stuff is that I've got an
01:01:00
agent who looks after that kind of stuff
01:01:02
and so I can kind of hide behind the
01:01:04
screen of that that usually I'm like
01:01:06
what if you want I'll make you
01:01:08
hippie yeah yeah are you um I think I'm
01:01:12
sort of like that as well it's just like
01:01:13
a need to be liked or something like
01:01:16
that are you are you as you get older
01:01:18
are you like um getting more comfortable
01:01:20
in your own skin skin and more
01:01:21
comfortable with um boundaries and
01:01:23
things or I think I'm still as bad as I
01:01:26
always was but there was there's an I
01:01:28
think the only Improvement is the self
01:01:30
awareness of it so like when I I I think
01:01:35
back my behavior and the patterns have
01:01:36
always been the same but it was more in
01:01:38
kind of denial and not really processing
01:01:41
it the problem is is like um the stakes
01:01:45
are a bit more higher because you are
01:01:46
kind of getting these bigger jobs and
01:01:48
more people are kind of watching and all
01:01:49
that kind of stuff so it is a it is a
01:01:52
struggle say you're you're out for
01:01:54
dinner with um with your and someone
01:01:56
comes up and they want a photo or they
01:01:57
want to chat for a couple of
01:01:59
minutes what happens yeah I'll be like
01:02:03
uh I haven't really had any bad fan
01:02:06
experiences and when they come up they
01:02:08
just want to have a photo just kind of
01:02:09
chat to me for a minute and then go on
01:02:11
their way like I haven't had bad ones
01:02:13
where they want to kind of monopolize my
01:02:15
time um so you just do it and get it
01:02:18
over and done with I do it and engage
01:02:20
and also but I'm also so thankful to
01:02:22
them like it's
01:02:24
not it's not a struggle for me like I'm
01:02:26
like thank you so much for dedicating
01:02:28
time to kind of exper you know um
01:02:30
watching my stuff and having reaction to
01:02:32
it and also coming up and talking to me
01:02:34
I actually get a it's it's a wholly
01:02:37
positive
01:02:38
experience yeah CU I saw an interview
01:02:40
that Israel Lis the UFC fighter did and
01:02:42
and he said he's become more aware of
01:02:44
his personal boundaries but I I can
01:02:46
understand from his perspective it's
01:02:47
like you know he's a big star and it
01:02:49
must happen a lot yes but I'm I'm
01:02:50
probably the same as same as you and I
01:02:53
think you know I'm humbled if someone
01:02:55
someone comes up and it's not like it's
01:02:57
going to start like a line of a line of
01:03:00
people outside prago no exactly no I'm
01:03:03
like thank you and it happens you know
01:03:05
there's never a l yeah of course there's
01:03:06
never a l there's one person by
01:03:08
themselves sometimes sometimes forcing
01:03:10
their husband to stand on the side or
01:03:12
forcing their husband to take the photo
01:03:13
of us and that's the extend of it yeah
01:03:17
what are your what are your goals for
01:03:18
the future I feel like you're just sort
01:03:20
of um yeah you're just sort of coming
01:03:23
into your own a yeah although although
01:03:25
that I probably would have said that to
01:03:26
you when you came when we interviewed on
01:03:28
you on the edge like 10 years ago it
01:03:29
feels like it's just been a constant
01:03:31
sort of man maybe this is just an
01:03:33
outsider's perspective maybe from you it
01:03:35
feels like there's been some Peaks and
01:03:36
troughs or whatever but it just feels
01:03:38
like the trajectory just keeps on going
01:03:41
yeah I think that I kind of agree with
01:03:44
that what would
01:03:46
be it's just I love the world of make
01:03:50
believe I love characters and all that
01:03:51
kind of stuff and I think the future is
01:03:52
just kind of engineering that more I
01:03:55
also love Strang well I really love
01:03:58
directing as well so if I can just
01:04:01
engineer it so I can get a couple more
01:04:03
directing jobs in there there would be
01:04:05
great too yeah what would you IDE yeah
01:04:08
what would you ideally do like say say
01:04:10
yeah Money Was No Object you had say
01:04:12
tiger cash yes what would you what would
01:04:15
you what would you do would you drop the
01:04:16
Social Media stuff would you stop acting
01:04:19
yeah it's an interesting like I wouldn't
01:04:23
desire that like I do like having
01:04:25
multiple threads going on I do really
01:04:27
like that but if I was like what's the
01:04:28
one thing I'd choose it would probably
01:04:30
be long form stories and that would
01:04:32
either be like writing a book or
01:04:34
directing a feature film that would be
01:04:37
number one yeah oh that's brilliant hey
01:04:41
thanks for your time today hey thank you
01:04:43
oh oh can you do me now how would you
01:04:46
no no I'm not going to I'm too
01:04:48
embarrassed I'm too
01:04:50
embarrassed
01:04:52
okay thanks Tom hey Tom thank you so
01:04:55
much I'm so pleased we made this happen
01:04:57
and I think we kept it at about an hour
01:04:59
because that's what that's what um your
01:05:02
publer said yes bless bless I know I but
01:05:05
I know how busy you are so I'm thankful
01:05:06
for um an hour of your time oh my God
01:05:08
thank you so much
