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Gilder cck Patrick hello welcome to my podcast hello D thank you so much for having me here now you just told me
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before that you and your friend Lise who's sitting here hi Louise hi you um looked up some clips online on the way
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over and that's the first you knew about the podcast oh no no I'm know about your
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podcast but I just wasn't sure about I was like oh I wonder like like I better
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go and check if it's like in a two setting people is it a one setting and I was like oh my God this is camera in
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your face whole time so now I knew I just needed a refreshment right you're worried about how you look you look
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amazing everybody worries about how they look yeah do they as human beings some are more varable about it some are less
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varable but I think most human beings um because of their Consciousness they are
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aware of how they look and you know it's nothing to be ashamed about yeah but you
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and I you and I are the the same age uh we're both 1973 babies we are both 50
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look at me I look like a sack of [ __ ] and no you don't what whatever you're
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just for a compliment absolutely not hey thanks for coming over you're um I I I
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wanted you on the podcast and I thought you'd be a great guest because you such
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an intriguing woman and there's so much to your story and there's so so so much
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about you that so many people have preconceived ideas about and you don't need to meet you or have much to do with
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you to realize that um people should take you know think think think least of you or think think wrong of you at their
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own risk because um there's a lot going on um um you're very smart you know I've
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always um sort of had this thought or this um approach that you know if you underestimate people it is your loss you
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know if you think oh everybody's stupid it is your loss because then you there
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will come a time where you go face to face with somebody or people that you discounted and you realize that
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everybody's got a certain level of intelligence and understanding and to Discount that is um it doesn't take
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anything away from me you know it's just your own loss and a lot of the things
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that I guess people say about you would be um that you're a gold digger which I
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I feel like that's um that's a a New Zealand tall poppy thing potentially um
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like a jealousy thing potentially what are you it's it's just something that
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has been it actually I don't think it's just new zealanders that use that
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terminology and uh I don't have a problem with it you know I know you don't you don't you literally don't care
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and I I wish I was more like you you don't give a [ __ ] no you can say whatever you like to me and I really
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don't it doesn't bother me because at the end of the day it is me I put my
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head on my pillow and go to sleep knowing who I am you know you come and tell me I have four legs is that going
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to bother me I'm going to be scared of myself thinking oh my God what you know
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am I no I know who I am and you know these labels um kind of just shows how lazy people are to do their own sort of
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Investigation or to get to understand somebody before attaching labels and I love that I love that attitude about you
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because it' be easy to be defensive about it because it's it's rude of
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people to assume something about you that they don't actually know you know what I mean yeah but you know being rude
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is not a crime people are entitled to their thoughts and opinions you know if that's going make them feel better about
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themselves calling me a gold digger then for sure go ahead and do that well we'll
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get to the whole gold digger thing later on um I'd also like to talk about your
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reality TV experiences um you're Dancing with the Stars which I believe you hate
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it and real housewives of of Oakland but first of all let's go all the way back
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so you're from Iran yes and as I said born the same year as me 1973 so the first seven years of your life fairly
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normal and then the Iran Iraq war well what was the when I was about six the revolution happened okay and then very
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shortly followed by invasion of Iran by Iraq is Saddam Hussein right I'm you'll
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have to assume and I'm the dumbest person in the room because I am I know very little about um geography and wars
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and history um but I'd love to pick your brains about this so I saw a photo of
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you I think it was from um an article you did in woman magazine right and there's a this beautiful photo of you
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and you're like six or seven and you're smiling and you're on a horse and the
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horse is on its legs so fairly normal childhood nice childhood like what are your Recollections of the first few
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years um great childhood well in saying that and my parents always you know had a um had issue with each other very very
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different characters and they got married and had my sister and four years later I came along but um I think by the
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time I came along they realized that they were absolutely not compatible um in what way um just two different people
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just very different people my mom is um you know she's she's got a very unique
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character and um you know she's very specif specific about certain things and
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my dad is a bit easygoing and you know um just not they were in a good match but um he was with us until about I was
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six I think just when the revolution happened and then they separated um there are still not divorced but you
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know separated um so until then I had great child a lot my dad lot my mom we traveled had a great life there was
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nothing really that you know I I would say my childhood was amazing you know great memories great experiences yeah
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and are your parents both still alive yes yeah where where do they live do they live in New Zealand or Iran they
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come and go right yeah at the moment both of them are in Iran right they they like it there um you know I I think so
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well yes 100% like they they like the food there it's their Community they can
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communicate with whoever they want they have you know old friends and relatives that you know are still there um and
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it's a very rich um culturally Rich historically you know beautiful country every part of it is beautiful it's a
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very very beautiful place and people are actually very very nice uh they're very warm and you know
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everywhere you go you know any house you put five Iranians together they start playing music and dancing and um so yeah
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the political situation is terrible uh and the country is basically you know like has been taken
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as hostage collectively all the people are hostages within their own land um uh and they have been for the past 44 years
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um that's the sad part but it doesn't you know people put up with the status
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quo because they still love the country they love the air the food the view the land you know yeah so did you and your
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sister mov to New Zealand with the appearance or just no no you just moved here on your how old were you at so you
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were like 17 17 so she was and she was like 20 21 20 that's a big move at that
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age were were you scared or did it make it easier cuz you were your big sister no I was actually more like my sister is
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way more I am um she's more reasonable than I am but no because you know um a lot of
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people at I I guess who grew up in that the same era as I did and especially with my family falling apart you know
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imagine one day you live normally and then um your father is gone and then there is this revolution that's
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happening outside and you know your whole world is coming down collapsing on you and next thing um
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you know you look out and you have to cover your hair and you have to do this and the whole society looks different
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and the TV is showing different things and it's all about religion and you know
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from a vibrant very happy country going to such extreme um basically overnight it kind of as a child it doesn't matter
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how old you are it it gets into your psyche and it starts to you know make you think completely different than a
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normal child would in under normal circumstances M um because you you are seeing like everything I know you is
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changing and next thing you know there's they're bombarding um you're sitting in your
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house and you're hearing bombings uh there's Invasion to your country you
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every time you turn TV on are dead people body parts so very quickly you become um a critical thinker you become
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very rational because it's matter of life and death there you don't have the
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luxury of envisaging anything except you know what how can I be smart to survive
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or you know things like that you know it's basic surv survival stuff that um
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takes over rather than just fantasies so you and your sister why New Zealand of all places like surely there was
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somewhere closer where you could enjoy freedom and rights like somewhere in England um why New Zealand is so so so
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so so far away uh because at the time we could get here easier in terms of getting visas and stuff like that and um
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language was English I think uh something that people you know discount about people migrating to New Zealand is
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so they don't have to learn a second language they can go and start working or become studying um so the language
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was a big deal and um also the universities in New Zealand they've got a great reputation it's a very quiet it
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at the time um it had population like I think of 3 million or something it was very quiet uh safe safe country there
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were no crimes um so it kind of made sense um and you know we decided that it was a perfect
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place to go jeez A lot's changed here in the last 30 years let probably safer in
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Iran at the moment a lot of crime here yeah in some ways actually you're right
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um You are not safe from the government but in terms of you know just people attacking you with Samurai sorts and you
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know guns and things like that machetes you know Iran is much safer yeah so you so you camp in New Zealand 167 years old
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and then like where do you begin where do you begin with setting up a new life did you come with much money did you
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have much savings or anything um not much no not much money but we knew we had some friends here who were extremely
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um amazing people who helped us set up and um you know that was a that was a great thing we kind of traveled a little
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looked at New Zealand settled in Oakland got ourselves jobs until um you know we
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went and studied and got our trainings on University Etc yeah so um yeah back to Iran before you
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came to New Zealand so um the think of the hijab place MH what are they exactly um well that's an Arabic word
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and um it is basically what any covering that goes over a woman yeah right now you can refer to you know wearing
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something completely covered like the talibans you know and just have your eyes sh for example or even that covered
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too that's a job but also having a scarf that's a job too so it's just basically
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that covers woman it's called hijab so so the hijab place they just um making
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sure that every every single person every single woman is wearing a hijab at all times
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um yes but wearing hij job correctly that's where the issue is because um there is no set rule of how hijob should
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be right worn um so it's up to the people that you come across uh in this um you know hijob police for example if
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they're having a bad day or they just don't like the way somebody looks or um
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they can take you because you've got tiny bit of hair shy or somebody can just have scarf on their you know
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shoulder and they will just ignore it it it depends on it's very um unclear set of rules um that that's
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where the issue comes from that's why some of these people who are implementing their power uh can get away
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by murdering girls for example because there's no set they don't really get
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punished at all it is just what it is so this this was how it was for you as a teenage girl in Iran is it still like
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this now yeah so if you go back to Iran now to visit your parents you have to wear a hij yeah right for sure no of
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course past couple of years over this um um or past year over what happened to Massa mini and you know the murders many
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of them of young uh women and men uh people especially the younger generation have become more
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um aggressive or defiant yes and they are um fighting um the regime by um removing their scarves so you see I see
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a lot of clips that they come out of Iran and you see you know a lot of people who are um fighting the rules
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they don't wear their scarves they go to Street just looking normal you know but
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then again you know they're risking their lives because there is no guarantee that
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they won't get killed yeah I mean it's not like here we where you can go to
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Parliament grounds and protest like the co mandates is it it's a very very highrisk opinion you're having
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absolutely yeah yeah I heard there was an incident where you you ended up Lo locked up in jail for like a week before
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you no it was much longer um yeah yeah before we came to new me and my sister so so you're like 15 16 yeah and you you
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you were incarcerated for how long I'm I think it was um about a month or something like that but they let us go
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after you know a week or two and then they locked us up again for another couple of weeks and then you know it was
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on and off because they were like we had to go to court and we had to go to they
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take they took us to um the only reason my sister and I managed to basically come
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out um and not really get prosecuted was because they took us to um uh what do you call it um you know the friend IC
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doctors um oh like like a COR something like that to check out and make sure that we were virgins
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yeah yeah for real yeah I I don't know if you want to get into this but what what does
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that entail uh so you go to uh in in the um you know there's a establishment that
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is um for forensic work and all that so you go there and um so the from jail they put us all in this bus um and they
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took us there and then we had to be examined by these three people um to for them to write a
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certificate whether somebody's a virsion or not you know and then if you weren't
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then it meant that you know you had less crimes so I know so do they bring your appearance in for this exam no no
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nothing the parents have no say they don't even let you call them so and so what happens if you fail this this test
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and then they'll um ask you or interrogate you until you tell them who you had sex with or and then they you
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could have you could have said it broke while you're on the horse no you can't so so then they go
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bring um that person in and um they they'll um marry you wow but it used to be that way those
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days I don't know about not but that's when I was 16 yeah so so so your parents
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when they how do they hear you're incarcerated do the like do the um the guards or the prison or the authorities
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called them to say hey your daughter's incarcerated and this is why no a friend
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of um us knew that we were going to that party and we supposed to come and join us later and then when she arrived well
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she obviously didn't come because she saw the pet you know cars and um so she
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had told called and said that you know Gilda and G were in this party situation and um it's been raided and they've
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taken them to jail and this is outrageous is were your parents are your parents [ __ ] off or is it just like is
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it just my dad my dad went beyond um to sort of uh make sure me and my sister were kind of
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not I they can't do much but the fact that you know he got us to go you know
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to go to the judge and you know all that he he did his best and we kind of uh they separated us because we were
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virgins too and they put us in a different cell than the other people so it was me my sister and this other girl
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out of the others what a traumatic experience you talk about it quite um sort of nonchalantly now like it's no
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big deal but that's um that's a that's traumatic that's a that's a lot at the
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time um but you know we grew up like that if it's not like you go there and this happens to me you be like or take a
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New Zealand teenager and you know um they're like oh my god what the hell is happening it it gradually when you
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grow up in that system you know it's there you know um you know it can happen
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you know worse things can happen you know you can go to jail get raped and then killed and that's that end of your
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life but you can't stop living as a human you can't shut up and I think one
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of the reasons um people tell me oh aren't you wor people say this and that I'm like no I don't even D what people
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say you live once you got a different perspective on things I guess yeah yeah oh that's was it after that incident
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where you're like that's it we got to go we yeah okay and you started looking up
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other places to go well my sister already she was studying in this American University she was doing
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physics engineering uh but she didn't want to stay there she wanted to come back and
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um you know for us to go somewhere together uh so when she came back this thing happened and then soon after we're
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going together hey what are you backing at hey Kanye what you doing you want to go up and see Lou up up up up oh you you
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want just kisses oh that's a lot to go through so when so were you in New Zealand when the um Iran Iraq war
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started or did you came here after okay what are your Recollections of that yeah you've lived through a lot
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haven't you oh of course yeah new the last 30 years in New Zealand must seem
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very boring compared to the first 17 years of your life a lot you know the the start it was quite odd because first
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of all you come out and you don't have to cover yourself and you know it's like
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getting used to the very basic you know rights of being a human being um every time in Iran they used to have
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these cars which are like four-wheel drives big like Rovers or something um they used to belong to the uh
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morality police morality Poli yeah so they they just used to WAND their aimless in streets to make sure no man
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is talking to a woman no you know your your hair is covered you're not listening to music you don't have makeup
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you know stuff like that so we grew up with that above our head all the time but we all sort of folded took risks you
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know little by little dragged our little bit of Freedom out at the risk that Push band R yeah
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yeah absolutely um so coming to New at the beginning it was kind of like oh my God you know I don't
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have to work but every time I used to see these four-wheel drives I'd be like
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oh like you know in the car oh my God Tak a few yeah it takes a few seconds for you to sort of just adjust yourself
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and be like oh no no that's not the morality place because You' grown up
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with it you know you don't know any better um so that that was interesting but once you get over that then yeah
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it's good and what are your memories of the war um did did like did you have any
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like male friends or yeah anyone that that went to war yes yes absolutely my dad actually went to war really yeah he
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was he was doing something he had a specialty that they took it had to do with minds and clearing
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minds and stuff like that um oh I I know many people who died at War um family friends because in Iran it's not like oh
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you believe in you know this regime so you go to war no it was you know National Emergency the country was
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invaded just after revolution we didn't even have an army the very first responders were um bage were who were
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like local to each area that they went and stood against um the Invaders um later on it became a bigger sort of
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establishment of its own um but um yeah everybody and also if you're a in an age
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that you have to go to Army it's compulsory you have to go there is no ifs and buts or you know choice um a lot
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of people went a lot of people got killed kind do you want to be picked up do you want to be picked up what do you
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want what do you want a pup AUP what do you want it's weird he does the say like he
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wants to be picked up and then you got to pick him up and he goes back a step Mak signals up up up up where's Gilda
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where's Gilda what is it oh youing gild pick you up up up yeah um because I've heard stories about
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um like stadiums um in run that were like repurposed as like a place yeah like a morg with kind
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yeah yeah that's that's true I was actually I lived in tan which is the capital of Iran and uh there was a time
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where we had this big attack you you know it was like a push back to the Iraqi um soldiers and um so they called
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it the 100,000 people army 100,000 of young men all going to recruit and I'm all going
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to do one um insertion or one attack and I think they all died most of them are died most of them died and I remember
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because in the streets we used to see them march on the way there and there were so many of them 100 thousand is a
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lot of people and um after the attack they brought back their bodies and they they couldn't even like um in majority
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of cases they would just fill up bags with body parts and they put like a tag army tag in it and would give it to the
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people they weren't even their kids you know they weren't even um their children
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or family members uh but the smell of it was everywhere tan is a city of 20 million at the time it had like 15
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million or whatever big city it's a huge you know the smell is everywhere you
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know just the smell of death yeah it it was you you don't forget things like
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that you know it was um all these young happy hopeful people going brainwashed by the government to go and die for l or
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whatever and you know they come back in bits and pieces like minced meat do you have any do you have
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nightmares about it or anything sorry do you have nightmares about it no no did you at any time how long did it take you
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mentioned before how triggering it was saying the um the vehicles in New Zealand that you thought might be the
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morality place um yeah like how long was it before after you left um Iran and Camp to New
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Zealand that you felt like fully sort of relaxed like okay nothing bad's going to
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Happ happened to me here I still don't why do you think I'm so vocal about the state of New Zealand
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because I'm worried you never forget how things can change overnight and how
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humans can turn against each other how um you know um an ideological sort of powerful system can
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come and disregard you as a human being for the greater good you don't forget I
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why do you think people ask me oh you know okay you have such a nice life you can go anywhere you can do anything you
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canar I'm like yeah but that can go away overnight and I see you know during the
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process for example when I went down to Wellington I saw all these people from all walks of life some had nothing they
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were living in you know their cars because they lost their jobs and you that was triggering for me
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that that's when I was like you know nobody should ever sit and be be quiet about what's happening people
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should have a sense of responsibility towards their fellow humans um because you know once your human
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rights is gone it is very hard to get it back you know when things are taken away
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from you it is very hard to get them back yeah that's a fact of life anywhere
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any you know political rules boundaries whatever comes in they hardly ever leave they they're there to stay that
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that's just so your freedom shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and if you're not aware if you don't take it
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serious you know sure people tell me oh she's so like crazy she thinks you know
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she's a conspiracy theorist Etc um that's okay but you know for me then again I can put my head on my pillow and
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say I did the right thing for my children for my fellow human beings um knowing that I did my best whether it
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worked or it didn't work but at least every day I'm thinking that and so far
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far I think with this U mandates and coover issues and the way the government has handled stuff um I don't think I've
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ever made a mistake I think I've been on point on everything that I stood for and
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I'm glad that I did it's quite funny isn't it it feels like we're um almost at a stage now in
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society where if you have any sort of opinion that's not mainstream popular it's just very easy to you know put you
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in a box and say you're an alt-right conspiracy theorist seems to be a a a state we're at now that's exactly what
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what that's how it works this ideological sort of establishments coming in the reason I don't care about
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that is because I grew up in one until I was 16 the most you know important years
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of my life I learned how these things work you know I watched it happen if you open your mouth said anything you you're
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a heretic you don't believe in Islam you don't believe in the collective uh
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goodness in the greater you know whatever you call it uh greater good um that's all excuse and [ __ ]
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because you know they're absolutely taking away the rights of the greater population for their own
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ideology I I don't agree with that I've lived through it and I can see that it
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started happening um not under Islamic ideology but under a different ideology um where a group of people in power feel
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like they can dictate to everybody else should live that's not being free no and
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it's worrisome because I don't want my children to go through what I went
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through and yes I know they've got a great life they we are in the most beautiful country in the world and I
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love this country but um looking at oversees what's happening there and looking at New Zealand the way they're
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going um above things in New Zealand um to me it's like oh [ __ ] this is all
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happening again different way but the same path did you did you um you mentioned before you went to the um the
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co protest in Wellington did you are you vaccinated did you get the vaccine or no
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no it's funny isn't it CU it's um there was definit like you look back and it's
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um I'm I'm a sheeple I just go along with whatever's going like the government tells me to get three Jabs
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I'll get three [ __ ] Jabs I just want to go with the path of least resistance
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but I look back now and there was um you one of my good friends got married and I
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was a groomsman and his mom had to have like a fake vaccine passport to to even attend her own son's wedding um
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because the catus wouldn't let her and otherwise there and you look back now
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recent it was only like two or three years ago and it's just you think you know she was sort of um almost like a
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leper at her own son's wedding at that time and it's only like recent history
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and you look back down and go well maybe she had a fear point do you know what I
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mean and there was people that that were forced out of their jobs and you look back now and it's only again only a
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couple of years ago and you think well maybe these people that have had a point um you know
00:29:55
when thinking r Al and OB objectively becomes a crime um and you're are being judged
00:30:08
for taking making decisions for your own health or um you know doing your own research at the time having W with
00:30:18
internet obviously you have access to the best um you know virologists in the world the best scientists in the world
00:30:25
and they are telling you after all their years and this information was available
00:30:31
before the vaccination came to New Zealand and they were all worried about it and they were very um outspoken and
00:30:39
verbal about it it didn't take a you know you could just go and find this information and they were all valid um
00:30:48
and make your mind but when talking logic or taking ownership of your own life all of a sudden is you being a
00:30:55
heretic what is the difference of of today and when they used to burn you know uh Protestants or burn anybody or
00:31:02
scientists who spoke against the church because the church said so because the Catholic Church said this is the science
00:31:10
not what swans so says not what a person who's dedicated his whole life has written half of the you know scientific
00:31:19
book and uh books and uh medical books uh which until now we've been practicing
00:31:24
oh don't listen to that person listen to us listen to me the politician who's
00:31:29
enforcing this upon you and whole bunch of um you know other people who are parting it um and look at look what
00:31:37
happened today like for example with the uh hatchard report coming out yesterday
00:31:43
which now shows that 11,000 uh people were exempt and a whole bunch of them were surgeons and doctors
00:31:51
and health you know people in Ministry of Health etc etc well so what is the difference between
00:31:58
those people who were professionals medical professionals who rejected the vaccine they were the best of the best
00:32:06
in the country they rejected the vaccine you gave them exemption but also gag order so they couldn't talk about it but
00:32:13
if I refused to base on my own searching of the best sources in the world if I was like oh that's not very good for me
00:32:22
I think I'm going to wait and see what happens and then you know I'm okay to
00:32:26
isolate so why was I a conspiracy theory MH you know like yeah again like I was saying before I think it's an easy box
00:32:33
to put people into that have any sort of opinion that's not you know mainstream
00:32:37
or popular it's just it's like an easy box just call them altright conspiracy
00:32:41
theorists yeah well the the thing is you know what bothers me is that it's a very
00:32:46
hypocritical way that um you know the our government has been dealing with a personal freedom so if I today and I I
00:32:58
say I'm a different gender and this is my pronouns this is what I think and everybody should respect that oh yes
00:33:05
absolutely let's like raise all the flags and support um you know um what you're saying because you're an
00:33:12
individual we should respect your ideology we should respect your thought and we should respect your feeling so I
00:33:18
come in I'm like H I'm a mother of two I am worried it's not enough research I
00:33:25
don't 100% trust this procedure I want to take my time oh you um you know you're just a conspiracy
00:33:33
theory why are you you know doing this it's not all about you you're being
00:33:38
selfish so what is it either do we we either we have the personal freedom of thought and choice or we don't yeah
00:33:47
don't come at me and say oh you know I'm I come from I don't know um some race or
00:33:55
somewhere or some country so so I you know I'm more accepted because um I have
00:34:02
more thoughts and everybody say yeah yeah and everybody else has to shut up that's not okay if you if you give
00:34:09
freedom and choice to people then respect that and don't be critical about it would you ever get into politics you
00:34:16
got any interest in that um yeah I I get ask about this this question a lot um I
00:34:23
don't have any interest to get into politics but youve got some very strong opinions and you're very smart as well
00:34:30
but I I I definitely have an issue with how the our political system in New Zealand has been um sort of handled uh
00:34:39
we vot and we get these people in they go to make they make hang on Kanye no no you're being very naughty he's just
00:34:48
bored about the co chat I reckon but I'm yes well so what you're saying is you um
00:34:54
um so I I believe that it needs to be kind of of tackled and people we are voters and we have rights um but we vote
00:35:02
these people and they go in there with no accountability do whatever they want nobody questions them nobody goes and
00:35:08
holds them responsible hey you promis these things where are they what happened we don't have establishment
00:35:13
like that and I believe that we do we are in dire need of an entity that overlooks what government does in terms
00:35:21
of making sure they deliver in any cooperation anywhere you'll have that accountability accept um within this
00:35:29
government and how you know they run it now that doesn't exist in many other
00:35:33
places in the world either but it doesn't mean that it can't exist and I
00:35:37
believe that it is definitely you know we need a whole bunch of people who are experts and passionate uh who can come
00:35:44
and make sure the government delivers what they promise yeah so we we're recording this before the election it'll
00:35:49
come out sometime after the election who do you know which way you're voting yes
00:35:53
do you share that or no I have shared that yes I've said that I will uh vote
00:35:58
National and um NZ it first but you know it first yes when sure um I've never
00:36:04
voted for him before but I um you know people are like oh we have trust is have you seen loxon before in the parliament
00:36:14
no have David on top no have you you know how do you know these people will deliver you know this guy I'm looking
00:36:23
I'm looking at the odds I'm thinking for the age that he is experience that he
00:36:27
has the fact that he's talking about these subjects that we've been shut down
00:36:33
for a few years now he's bringing it up he's talking about them he's um
00:36:39
advocating and standing up for a whole bunch of people um that otherwise nobody gives a damn about you know this like I
00:36:47
say that as an immigrant and I talk to a lot of other immigrants and they see the
00:36:51
same way because at the moment we see what happens it's a thing between like
00:36:56
the colonial white people and the mai people so great you guys have your thing but what about us immigrants we are a
00:37:05
big numos in New Zealand who've been here for years um paid all taxes we've
00:37:11
delivered too so I think we shouldn't be lost in the equation for what British
00:37:18
colonial did to the mai people we came here too and we got accepted and we were given uh equal rights um like every
00:37:26
other and but during the cover I have friends here from um you know um Somalia I have friends from um Zimbabwe I have
00:37:37
friends from Nigeria you know um while people are going out there screaming black lives matter at the same time uh
00:37:45
Ministry of Health says oh you know if you get sick if you're Mar or Pacifica
00:37:51
you go on to priority list to see a person in a hospital so what what this African friends of mine are not all of a
00:38:00
sudden their black lives doesn't matter you can't have this I understand this
00:38:05
whole of the history of what's happened but you can't take away other human
00:38:12
beings right in order to um prove a point or get more rights for yourself this is wrong and the government you
00:38:21
know is in some ways you know they're [ __ ] footing out on the subject and the
00:38:26
only person that comes out and says no everybody's equal all these immigrants
00:38:29
who come to this country and contributed they also are equal they have rights it
00:38:33
shouldn't be this person is of this race therefore this person has more priority
00:38:39
or rights over another person then that's going back to when you know um before racism was a thing when racism
00:38:50
was everything you know All These Years everybody is fought to get rid of it and
00:38:54
all of a sudden we gradually introducing it um and I think I vote as an immigrant
00:38:59
for vinston because uh he is for that equality he's a real character um I would love to get him on the podcast at
00:39:08
some stage he's he's been in Parliament for such a long time like you see you
00:39:13
footage from the 1970s and he's in there yeah he's actually quite a lot as well
00:39:18
you know he's a very intelligent person I I soci you much to do with him uh I
00:39:22
socially have known him for very many years over 20 years but um just here and there in Social occasions um recently I
00:39:31
did have him um to come to my place um I kind of like I got you know what is it democracy and z and um act Winston also
00:39:45
nationally came also OK Conor um Simon OK Conor so I quite like to get different groups of people together and
00:39:52
have them question and ask and get make their decisions for themselves just don't be a you know sheeple don't just
00:40:00
that's me yeah no it's not you but no no it completely is I just don't want to
00:40:05
rock the boat and some of the stuff you've said um I you know I I agree with
00:40:10
it I'm sure a lot of people would but most of us will just bite our tongues or
00:40:13
keep our mouth shut because you don't want to stick your neck out and you do
00:40:17
and I admire that about you thank you and there's traits that you have that I
00:40:20
wish I had more of and I'm sure a lot of people listening to this would but we're
00:40:22
like I don't need the aggravation in my life you know I totally understand that
00:40:29
a poor attitude though isn't it it's it's look not every human being has gone
00:40:33
through the same experiences and we don't all have the same personalities um
00:40:37
hence we all have different perspectives and different way of thinking and looking at things um so that's okay you
00:40:44
know um some people are shy some people just don't want to be bothered because
00:40:49
you know it's just too it puts too much um stress anxiety on them um I think
00:40:54
I've overcome all that when I was was a child so do you do you just need some
00:40:59
sort of um some sort of friction or some sort of even mild drama in your life I don't I actually hate that I actually
00:41:07
hate that I um I I'm a good time person I love good times I love family time I
00:41:12
love getting together cooking traveling my kids you know um I like everything that everybody else normal human beings
00:41:21
like you just a you know basic happiness um how ever it is not you know hence I didn't like Dancing with the Stars
00:41:30
because I hate competition I I'm not a competitive person I I don't care if
00:41:35
somebody wins or to me it's all the same um but unfortunately um when I go to like sort
00:41:43
of a mode where I get worried or sort of stressed and you know I get triggered that I see a change that I
00:41:55
don't smell anything and good coming out of it that's when I go to this kind of a
00:41:59
um aggressive mode where I'm like like a barking Chihuahua everywhere well I love that and you're a
00:42:06
m of two fairly young boys as well so you you're obviously concerned about how the future's going to look for
00:42:11
them in New Zealand you know um that is the main thing if it wasn't for my kids I was
00:42:19
oh I'll stay off Twitter I'll be like oh I I'm just going to go and live a
00:42:24
fabulous life and give it down anybody else but the reality is when you are a parent you're a mother um or father you
00:42:33
you worry you you don't think about you at that time you think about what is to
00:42:37
come for the future of your children because unfortunately with my past um you know growing up in a country like
00:42:45
that you know I always was like oh my God my kids I've done so well my kids will have a fabulous lives and they look
00:42:51
at the sea and they no no I never tell them off I never tell him off but this is he's interrupting some really good
00:42:59
chat Kanye Kanye no come here he's like what is this voice who even are you dad
00:43:07
like what's going come here come on how's how's your um oh how good dog
00:43:14
we don't deserve dogs he we don't deserve them love you bu is that what you wanted what I see your tongue has
00:43:20
grown longer since I saw you last time GE it's like a lizard tongue now what's
00:43:25
going on with you okay very so um I love you how's how's your how's your mental health been like
00:43:32
do you do you have any you you've talked about being triggered by some things you
00:43:36
said you haven't had any nightmares do you have any like PTSD or your mental
00:43:39
Health's been like pretty good over you know there's been no time as an adult
00:43:42
where you know you've you've had to go and um like unpack or readdress some of
00:43:47
the some of the early stuff yeah but I'm I'm kind of um or do you think it's you're cuz you do seem
00:43:55
like remarkably resilient and strong and levelheaded do you think part of that comes from the adversity that you
00:44:00
suffered early on yes um you know um what I grew up with um at the time if I hadn't managed as a child to deal with
00:44:15
it and sort it out um I would have not survived I would have been an absolute mess but as everything was happening it
00:44:25
was just you know I was taking it analyzing as a very young age you know um dealing with it and understanding it
00:44:33
you know when you it's kind of strange feeling you know where you um you know
00:44:38
you're asleep and then all of a sudden bombs are dropping on you and you have
00:44:42
to run outside there's no real place you can go and hide right but you just go
00:44:46
under you know your house in the garage or something yeah your house is the safe
00:44:50
place but it it's just that whole you know it's a useless practice but it's
00:44:54
that whole notion of oh oh I'm doing something to stay alive you know that takes your sort of uh fear away or you
00:45:03
get over you don't think about the bumbs dropping and you go and you're like it
00:45:07
has stopped and then you count it like there were eight bumbs for example today tonight or today and Rockets or whatever
00:45:15
and and then you think oh there are people like I'm alive but a whole bunch of other people have
00:45:23
died and as harsh as it sounds you think oh I'm a Survivor I win this I'm still alive you don't really think
00:45:32
that much about these other people who've died and then next day you see on TV all these buildings collapsing or
00:45:38
people dying um yeah it I think going through that today's stuff aren't it's
00:45:47
nothing yeah like every day is a blessing for you every day is a good day yeah and the funny thing is like you
00:45:52
know um you know I'm going back to your original question about the gold digger
00:45:57
and stuff like that you will get uh yeah I um you know one of the reasons for example you know I like when I was going
00:46:04
uh to UNI and generally I just wouldn't gel with young New Zealand men cuz too
00:46:12
smart for them no no it's just they had a whole different sheltered life and
00:46:17
none of them really understood you know like I couldn't talk to them about politics I wouldn't talk to them about
00:46:22
like uh what in international stuff or you know a whole bunch of experiences that I had I hardly could find anybody
00:46:29
who had you know you could talk to them and they will sit there and look at you like what the [ __ ] and that was it you
00:46:34
know um you as I said at the beginning of this like I find you very intimidating because you're very
00:46:39
intellectual very smart no it's not about that but it's it's like I've lived
00:46:43
a life you know so when I met my ex-husband he had been a young immigrant to New Zealand you know he started from
00:46:53
nothing he um came from a very conflicted place you know um his parents were Irish so his mom was orange and his
00:47:01
dad was his mom was green and his dad was orange is a noo so his family his father's family tried his mother's
00:47:09
family tried no father's family tried to shoot his father because you know um it
00:47:15
was it was a sacrilege to mix Protestant and Catholic um so they had to move and
00:47:21
go and live elsewhere and so he un and and then when he was a child his father went to war he understood the concept of
00:47:28
War he was a young imig you know he went through a lot of stuff emotionally that
00:47:34
I went through in different settings in different time zones but the same experiences you know uh coming here at
00:47:42
very young age on his own you know Jumping Ship um so him and I really gelled and
00:47:50
connected you know although there there was you know it was much older than me but it it it just worked we were like
00:47:56
whoa you know um we get each other and that to me was my digging gold yeah so this is um this is your you
00:48:07
you are you still legally married you you broke up divorced divorced because it it was
00:48:13
actually um at the time like for a couple of years we're discussing that I was like oh you know I think I'm going
00:48:20
to want to have children so we can adopt or you know um get a Etc and he was firmly against that and he told me that
00:48:31
because because he already had adult kids or it just was like oh yeah and I was like fine and so anyway it took kind
00:48:38
of couple of years and um we were like even when I had my first child we were still living together you
00:48:47
know uh so it was we were very open about the process what happened um and we are still best friends I see him you
00:48:55
know couple of times a week um yes so this is um this is uh James kir Patrick who's um
00:49:02
43 years old so he's how old now at 93 yes 93 so so when you when you got together you were 26 I think 26 and he
00:49:11
was 20 40 like early 70s no I think 69 or something right and um you just like attracted it just attracted the
00:49:21
intellect yeah or yeah it it was that it it was that we just um you know had so much to talk about
00:49:32
and he was so Charming you know um we had lots of f friends in common that's how I met him
00:49:41
and he originally told me and my sister that he wanted he was doing some project
00:49:46
in um Oto I think or something and he wanted our um help because at the time um you know we studied architecture so
00:49:56
um and that was his you know he was a developer and um then he gave a project I think to do his offices or something
00:50:04
like that so was kind of a gradual thing as and he just one time out of the blue
00:50:10
he was like oh you know introduced me to some like someone just ran as my fiance
00:50:15
and he I was like what the you know like it was just funny it was you know and it
00:50:20
was never about um you know um kind of you know lost and it wasn't it our friendship it was full of respect our
00:50:33
age difference was a lot uh he was going through some stuff at the time and um it
00:50:38
it just worked it was more like a um sort of a great friendship that sort of got the
00:50:47
marriage stamp on it yeah so it's a great friendship and you connected on an
00:50:52
intellectual level but it must have been nice to know he was rich as well well you know it was it was but like just for
00:50:59
the the SEC security aspect of nothing else you to be fair it was it's the you know people
00:51:11
might look at it funny way but when a person comes from nothing and achieves what he had achieved it is you know you
00:51:20
just develop disrespect and like wow you you know um it's the same as like some of these like
00:51:29
scientists or people that you look that they've created something they don't
00:51:33
have much money but intellectually they're like wow you know you've achieved this and you know they've got
00:51:38
like professors penniless professors where you know all these young girls fall in love with them it's it's kind of
00:51:46
like that the fact that he had managed to do so many um terrible jobs and you know live in such such poverty yet get
00:51:57
himself there um that was so admirable it's a turn on isn't it someone that who's not to who's not to
00:52:04
fall in love with that you know so you got married what what was the um what was the Judgment like there must been a
00:52:12
lot of judgment from a lot of people did that hurt or not really no I just I didn't care yeah he
00:52:19
didn't care it was like my uh my part my girlfriend at the moment she 21 years younger than me and
00:52:27
we get a lot of that you know you do and it's yeah but I don't understand AR it's
00:52:32
just people are you know if you go and marry a handsome rich prince oh my God you've done so well it's like what what
00:52:42
and then he goes on has Affairs and dumps you two minutes later and it's what why is it that we
00:52:50
celebrate people who um go after like this crazy package that has been promoted in I
00:52:59
don't know Disneyland or Hollywood Disney movies people oh this person has to be certain height and looks like this
00:53:06
and certain age and body like this and this much a nice car or whatever oh my God what a great girl we go and
00:53:15
celebrate people who go for the cliche of Hollywood and Disney [ __ ] The Prince and princesses story and oh
00:53:24
people cry over it oh my God she married this Prince and then people who go and marry whoever they want you know old or
00:53:31
young or whatever who cares so should you go and criticize somebody who marries a billionaire who is Young and
00:53:39
handsome also should you call them a gold digger well yeah it's no different is it
00:53:45
it's um no no different and obviously you know if if you're just in it for the
00:53:50
money there's no way you're going to be married for 15 years let alone um breaka
00:53:54
and still be oh best friend yeah he loves the kids he loves my partner we we're best friends he's
00:54:01
extremely um supportive you know he spent a couple of months last Christmas with us um you know up north there's no
00:54:10
you know he doesn't have an issue and people like oh you know it's like he
00:54:15
doesn't have an issue I don't have a issue what is it to you I love that how's how's his health
00:54:21
now is he okay he's okay he goes to work right does he yeah yeah yeah he goes
00:54:26
geez that's great in your 90s it's you're in snipers alley aren't you but he's not a normal
00:54:33
person what do you mean yeah he's he's just always been you know with the
00:54:38
amount of wealth he has he lives so moderately you know he's not a um kind of a guy that who goes to work to make
00:54:48
money to flash and buy this and that and you know have a he goes to work because
00:54:54
he believes in productivity he believes in what he does and um you know hardly ever you come across people
00:55:03
like that but in a funny way that's probably what's kept them um fit and
00:55:07
healthy and vital I mean you stop work at 50 60 70 whatever and then then what happens if that's all you know then it's
00:55:15
almost like you've lost that purpose that reason to wake up always used to say the day I the day I stop working
00:55:20
I'll die yeah you know because to him like even like and nowadays they deliver
00:55:26
for him but like when he used to go and supermarket and Shop he used to like be worried about two cents more and two
00:55:32
cents less is that just a hangover from his like poo upbringing no his early years no it's just him right you know
00:55:41
just a tired ass it's not he looks at it as value right he doesn't believe in
00:55:46
wastage okay yeah unbelievable that's awesome so and how how does it when when
00:55:53
when you broke up after 15 years you said it was mic but was it oh it was on the car it's we had talked about it it
00:55:58
wasn't public you know um it wasn't it's we are still you know the same
00:56:05
nothing has CH you know from the day I met him to now nothing really has changed I see him less because we're not
00:56:11
living together that's basically it but other than that nothing really has changed so I think it was around this
00:56:18
probably this time putting a time stamp on the conversation where you were where
00:56:20
you were married to James that you became like um a socialite like I just moved up to ockland from paliston North
00:56:27
what year was that like in the uh in the early 2000s right and it's every weekend
00:56:31
there's the um the her on Sunday and they had a section called spy um Ricardo
00:56:36
simit does it now but I think it was this lady called Bridget Saunders yes yeah and you were like in the paper
00:56:41
every weekend yeah always going out to things sure why why why was there so much interest in you
00:56:48
um you know it's funny because people misunderstood the situation people were like oh you're looking for
00:56:58
exposure and fame like for what what happened is that because and before that James didn't really have a public
00:57:05
profile it was quite but I think putting him and me together um all of a sudden it was just this no in Europe Young
00:57:15
Women Marry old men all the time in Middle East they marry all the time nobody cares but in here it was like oh
00:57:21
um so it it was to them it was really intriguing and you know um they started picking on me they
00:57:30
started you know qu writing in gossip columns before even I you know oh James and has my this guildo
00:57:39
and so what I did was like well there is no shame I'm not going to hide from this
00:57:44
do you want a picture you come and take a picture you know if it's a freak Show
00:57:47
come I'm the freak take the picture um and that was my attitude I'm not going
00:57:52
to go out and hide because I married somebody older you know it's it's it's a
00:57:55
thing you know Kings used to marry young people all the time they were celebrated
00:58:00
but here it was like oh my god um so yeah yeah I had um Rachel you know Rachel Hunter do you know her yeah I had
00:58:08
her on the podcast and she had an interesting take on that we talked about um the power and balance of you know her
00:58:14
and Rod Stewart so she was in her early 20s he was in his 40s I think and he was
00:58:19
you a famous pop star and her take on it is that um there's also power in Youth
00:58:24
and beauty yeah you know what I mean so she's like Rod didn't have all the power and I was
00:58:29
just this hopeless young thing it's like and I suppose it's the same thing with
00:58:32
you guys like he was older than you and had the money um but you you you know you had your Youth and your beauty and
00:58:38
there's power in there um um you know it's you know everything in life that we
00:58:44
do there is exchange if you fall in love with somebody a prince and you know a princess from different countries they
00:58:52
they get married there is always other ulterior motives too if somebody makes you feel bad you don't want to go out
00:59:00
with them you don't want to be with them you don't want to marry them if somebody
00:59:03
doesn't give you that right Vibes or so it's it's kind of give and take yes if I
00:59:09
was a of a certain age I suppose if I had this different figure if I looked differ if my brain didn't work the way
00:59:16
it did that didn't connect with them there was no way out of all these people
00:59:20
in the world he would want to marry me you know so it's not like oh let go and
00:59:25
find myself a rich old man and you know you're not shopping it has to work both
00:59:31
ways one of the smartest cleverest human beings alive saw me and chose me and connected
00:59:40
with me you know he was extremely successful very very very smart you know um nobody could fool him so to me that
00:59:51
was a compliment that wow this guy with all his might can see me and connects with me and we
00:59:57
can talk about the same things he respects my opinion he asks me for advice you know so that gave me this you
01:00:05
know sort of feeling of um value value grander you know and especially as somebody who came here so young without
01:00:13
a family lacking a dad on my life um you know now we I've reconnected with my dad
01:00:19
about 14 years ago before that I never saw him um so it was kind of he was all of a sudden a whole family
01:00:29
you know yeah actually yeah I never thought about that because I thought the um relationship with both your parents
01:00:34
was sound but I suppose gold diggers something that people would say and another thing people would say was would
01:00:39
be daddy issues probably yeah yeah sure so maybe an element of dead daddy issues
01:00:44
so my problem was I couldn't connect to anybody around my own age because they
01:00:48
were just too immature you know I had lived this life of very intense and um so younger people to me were like oh
01:00:59
let's go get drunk you know I'm like oh God you know those days it didn't even
01:01:02
drink you know it was like quite um but you know and I was working all the time but um he would he kind of gave me that
01:01:12
whole package of security family and somebody who understands um somebody who makes me feel safe so I don't feel like
01:01:22
oh this young guy is going to leave me like my dad left my mom my dad was very handsome you know he was all that
01:01:29
character personality and money was everything uh but he always kind of was very independent doing his own thing and
01:01:37
my mom was always like oh still my mom blabbers about my dad you know he's still not aare that I never wanted to
01:01:43
put myself in that situation where I I I would be left behind or had to deal with
01:01:48
an affair or that was like oh that's just my Red Zone I will never red line cross that and with him I was like okay
01:01:56
he's older he's not going to go and have affairs on me he's not going to do this
01:01:59
he's not going to leave me you know so it made me feel secure and safe and so
01:02:05
what he was older who cares you know yeah and so you guys um got married and is that when you bought the the house
01:02:11
you live in now no we live what's it called the the cake house no what's the
01:02:15
they call it the Wedding Cake House The Wedding Cake House it's one of the most
01:02:17
famous and I guess visible houses in Oakland for anyone that's not in Oakland
01:02:21
if you're driving along um the Waterfront tmiy drive towards um say um Kelly Ton's it's a big one up on the up
01:02:28
on the hill look look does it look like a weding cake doesn't really look like a
01:02:32
weding cake does it well I don't know why they call it see Connie just wanted
01:02:37
to come and give me kisses you just wanted to come and sit with me you making all that noise because you were
01:02:42
down there not up here yeah so that's um I I don't think I've ever been to your
01:02:46
house but I drive past it it's it's a big house and it's a it's a very
01:02:49
handsome property oh thank you no we we lived up the road at number five for I think about 5 years and then um
01:02:59
this property became available um and I always liked it um because it was um I don't know you know
01:03:07
immigrant you come to New Zealand the first thing you do you go to Mission Bay on the way oh my God that house and
01:03:13
there's a famous area in tan where I live um it's called sh and it it's got
01:03:20
all these houses on the cliff and it always reminded me of homes you know um so I was like oh that house is so dreamy
01:03:27
it's like round it looks like some sort of a you know Castle uh so when he came
01:03:32
available James was like hey he I remember he came home and he said your favorite house is in the market I'm
01:03:37
going to go knock on the door and see you know if they um oh that's so sweet
01:03:41
yeah so he bought it and I renovated the whole thing a project managed I did the
01:03:46
whole thing basically uh and then he was like oh you know this house is like nice
01:03:51
but you know the next door is available now maybe you should maybe I should buy that we do that and we move there and I
01:03:57
was like so he went and bought number 92 but I was like I I just like number 90 because I brought all the
01:04:05
material yeah so he sold it a few years ago but at the number 9 to Next Door yeah yeah is that your forever home do
01:04:12
you think you live there well you know there is no forever anything yeah yeah and is home to us the kids love it who
01:04:21
lives there you you can't be doing the cleaning yourself it's massive right
01:04:23
like sprawling no I have had a housekeeper with me for um 18 years like a living
01:04:32
house cleaner um no she she's a housekeeper she basically owns the house she's a family she's she's very
01:04:42
close um so she's been with uh me for a very long time yeah right right and do
01:04:48
you have like um an aquarium in there with turtles really it's one of those things that you
01:04:55
hear and I'm not sure if it's like real or an urban myth is that right how big
01:04:58
is this tank uh like Kelly talton's big no no no it's the same the same width as
01:05:04
as a ward okay how big are the Turtles um oh yeah like a 30 cm yeah no what that size at the moment yeah they're
01:05:13
only a couple of years old how many how many bedrooms is this house um you got around to Counting them all year yes uh
01:05:20
we have four bedrooms uh an office and then there's a out house which is like a
01:05:31
on like a suite on its own with kitchen bathroom and everything separated is that on your BNB no my mom stays there
01:05:38
okay you could probably get a couple hundred bucks a night and that um so why um let's get into the reality TV stuff
01:05:45
then so uh what came first was it Dancing with the Stars then so it was real housewives so that was um that that was
01:05:52
on Bravo went for one SE one season one season yeah why did you go why the hell did you go on that you must have watched
01:05:59
some of the other um series from overseas and realized that yeah it's just is it like we were talking about
01:06:04
before you need a certain level of like drama or friction in your life CU that's
01:06:09
exactly what you setting yourself up for with a show like that isn't it um well at the time um I was like
01:06:22
passionate about this book I was working on and um when I had a meeting with them
01:06:28
they came and approached and they said that it was a great platform if you wanted to promote a product or whatever
01:06:34
that you know you have and I was like oh what a great idea I can promote my book
01:06:38
because what I wanted to do at the time I didn't write a book to write books I
01:06:43
didn't do the books because I wanted to have books out there I wanted to have a
01:06:47
couple of books so then I could go on um try to get them into animation Series so
01:06:55
at the time that was my thought um and I believed in the concept of the books you
01:07:00
know well was it like sci-fi books kids well it it was 100% based on um astrophysics and real science so I I had
01:07:08
two Consultants from um Oakland University who were astrophysicists and they helped me with all the scientific
01:07:16
stuff um and it's educational and I had feedbacks from a whole bunch of people
01:07:21
who had uh autistic children or who you know who couldn't concentrate on science
01:07:26
yet because this book was pictures um for the first time apparently they had shown interest and learned science
01:07:34
learned about you know solar system and our U Galaxy so that was my passion and I was like oh what a great idea so I get
01:07:43
some like free publicity to and then I went and I never watched these shows I went I watched as a resear I was like
01:07:48
[ __ ] that's like you know that's pretty intense it is there are some psycho
01:07:52
people in there and um and then I thought oh well for years I've been everywhere there is nothing that I have
01:08:02
in Clos in the closet I've never you know I've been open book what's going to happen you know so
01:08:09
that was my Approach and I was like oh um yeah that's why I kind of partook in that thing and um it was
01:08:18
great and you know open some doors I couldn't get the animation thing going um it was going to be too costly right
01:08:26
so I kind of let go of that so no no regrets about going on that show no no you enjoyed it so who did who did you
01:08:32
know beforehand you were friends with um Michelle and I knew Michelle we wer friends I I basically was friends with
01:08:39
nobody in there we knew each other like I didn't know Louis I had saw her on TV
01:08:45
I think right um I I knew an I think just very oh the Champagne Lady very dist with the cat yeah and I think Julia
01:08:54
I had seen her I think at some point she was going up with somebody that I knew but never like friends like just High
01:09:01
you know kind of a thing so I really didn't you know right and then there was
01:09:06
um Angela the Christ chch lady I didn't know her at all yeah and that that um
01:09:11
provided one of the most famous uh lines I think from the series which became like a meme I think this is even before
01:09:16
the the word meme was I think can you what was your line do you know what I've
01:09:20
heard about you absolutely nothing is that the line no not a [ __ ] thing [Laughter]
01:09:29
it's a great line it's a great line was that like pre-prepared or no no no it was not it was an ambush that's
01:09:38
that is Savage that is absolutely Savage when when you um cut someone down like that like do you feel a little bit bad
01:09:44
afterwards at any stage no well she came for it she's sitting there making of all this rubbish and I'm
01:09:53
like like she's like the word in the street like word in oh what are you like
01:09:58
the drug dealer in the street but you know the word in the street who knows the word in the street so no that was
01:10:04
like no she's all right it was just like the production trying to push a certain
01:10:09
sh of course yeah um to make the show watchable basically or you know shock people and it is basically a formula
01:10:18
there's a very very clear formula into those all those shows 100% like a template they follow absolutely yeah um
01:10:25
so I I don't blame her I have no animosity towards anybody on that show um it was interesting it was funny I
01:10:33
didn't get hurt by it if anything it was very entertaining for myself and so your kids were young at
01:10:41
the time were they were they have you got a copy of it like online or on DVD that they'll watch one
01:10:47
day I think they gave us a DVD I don't have a DVD player I don't I I don't know where you
01:10:54
can watch it surely there I think they are still airing them in some countries right it's probably online somewhere
01:11:00
YouTube maybe um yes you may not want to answer this but are your kids through like IVF or I'm living with their dad oh
01:11:10
yeah oh your current partner you you guys been together a long time yeah right so so so Jame James didn't want to
01:11:15
have kids so you guys end up going your separate ways then you met this new fell
01:11:20
right that's cool how old how old are the kids now um 10 and the other one just turned eight now right are they
01:11:26
good kids yes very good kids yeah I think they are good kids they are not mines but do you have like um living
01:11:36
living help like nannies or staff no when they were younger because I was working all the time I was like a
01:11:41
workaholic basically until CET hit um so I was in the office all the time and with my our job we kind of entertain
01:11:50
clients Etc you know advertising it's a very buzzy yeah so this is a company
01:11:54
called aseno that you set up and your creat I set up Rascals and then we change it to aseno and then we had some
01:12:02
people that we didn't want to work with so my partner and I set up another company which is still going which is
01:12:08
called hello mhm why uh why did you work so hard you didn't really need to because I just like it because I I
01:12:17
just need to be busy and I I I'm one of those people that has to be very you
01:12:22
know my brain has work otherwise I don't know what will happen yeah thr problems
01:12:29
at me and I'll sort them yeah and and then um your next reality TV experience
01:12:34
was dancing with the stars who who was on your that was the Susie KO season yeah Susie KO who else can who else was
01:12:40
on that can you remember um who won David Seymour oh yeah Seymour yeah um Amanda hates oh Samantha hat oh yeah she
01:12:48
won right she won yeah um and you were you I had David Sim on the podcast earlier this year I loved him we talked
01:12:55
in depth about his Dancing with the Stars experience and a bunch of other stuff he's a good man yeah so you so you
01:13:00
went on Dancing With the Stars what why did you go on that did you think you might enjoy the experience I thought it
01:13:05
was a dancing competition and I never danced and I was like oh it's a good Fitness but also it was for charity and
01:13:14
I'm I like I did I didn't even get my money or my fee I gave that all to
01:13:21
Starship so I was like oh why not you know it's uh and then I went in there I
01:13:25
was like oh it's too too much politics and I just hated it put too much politics in what way uh you know there
01:13:32
was so much going on and I I just didn't like it and I'm not a great dancer
01:13:36
anyway and I hate competition so it wasn't just my cup of tea you know yeah cuz I I I think I think I remember
01:13:43
reading this in interviews or hearing it from you um on these shows generally no
01:13:47
one wants to be the first voted off but you were relieved you you were I was you
01:13:51
know I was never going to win yeah that's you know and I was like oh you know it's just going it it disrupts your
01:13:59
life basically and I had kids and I didn't think that it would be as intense
01:14:05
as it was and I wasn't any good at it anyway you know it wasn't like I had any
01:14:10
and it wasn't really about dancing it was about popularity more I mean I don't
01:14:14
think David was a great dancer either but he lasted long or you know your friend um from rock station um oh r that
01:14:22
was you know so it wasn't like dancing you know lots of people couldn't dance
01:14:28
very well and lots of good dancers kind of you know I for example NZ got kicked off too early she was very good dancer
01:14:35
so it was more about you know how you once you go in there you're like oh I I
01:14:39
see what it is you know how can I compete for example in reality with these people who've got such massive
01:14:46
platforms and people love them they are these big time celebrities you know but without people
01:14:53
for for example like me how are they going to have a show you have to have some people that you sacrifice and then
01:14:59
you get to your yeah absolutely and I suppose the sort of people that um are invested in that show enough to vote um
01:15:05
are the people that would see NZ and go no I don't like her with her with her
01:15:09
fake boobs don't like Gilda cuz she's a gold digger or whatever and that's why
01:15:14
you're real boobs but she's have you what do you have you had much work done what do you what do you
01:15:22
do in terms of cosmetic surgery no but a Botox no BOTOX for sure yes but I'm not
01:15:28
a big um say like in saying that like in in fact it's a good subject to brought
01:15:33
up I've always had like big siiz breasts and I hate breasts because you can't
01:15:39
wear whatever you always have to wear like kind of a low otherwise you will look puffy and I know your ex-wife went
01:15:45
through this J she had a reduction it was expensive too like 25 Grand or something yeah so I'm actually looking
01:15:50
at reduction oh you should talk to JJ about it she swears by yeah she loves it no regrets about it
01:15:55
all yeah I watched her on Instagram though and I was like sh but you know and I was like God it leaves a scar so
01:16:01
I've always been scared of it but after watching it I was like oh maybe I should
01:16:05
do that and you know as you get older it just becomes more inconvenience so I think that I'm going to have that
01:16:11
procedure done yeah oh you should definitely talk to JJ about it she's got no regrets about it at all yeah
01:16:16
apparently it's like whoever gets it they're like why didn't I do it earlier
01:16:21
but you know in high school you have Bo you're always like hunching and it's
01:16:25
just not a you know just not a thing yeah so you're um you're 50 now What's
01:16:31
um how's the how's how's the rest of your life going to look what's the plan
01:16:35
you going to stay in New Zealand would you ever move back to Iran was New Zealand home you know
01:16:40
anybody who knows me they will tell you I I have never ever had a plan in my life I I just I don't envisage the
01:16:48
future it just whatever happens I'll just go with the floor I my my brain hasn't been um I guess uh trained to
01:16:56
think that way considering how volatile my life was as a child so it was day-to-day decisions never like a vision
01:17:05
for you know future never knew who I wanted to be what I wanted to be what job what subject uh so no I don't have
01:17:12
any plan will I stay in E Zealand I don't know will I go I don't know depends on what happens you know yeah I
01:17:21
I don't know I have no specific plan for or anything I just at the moment I'm um
01:17:26
um kind of just wanting to have a stability for the kids with their schooling and stuff yeah that's my
01:17:32
priority yeah I love that what what about jobs any other careers you want to do any other
01:17:38
work um I mean you're very like you're very very smart as I've said a few times
01:17:43
during this chat so I feel like whatever you wanted to do you could do and I also
01:17:47
feel like because of that you you potentially get bored at doing something and need need a new challenge yeah as I
01:17:52
said at the very earlier in the conversation um I think there is a place for establishment that holds government
01:18:02
responsible um to what they preach and promise um and looks over their expenditure or you know because as
01:18:10
taxpayers we have the right to do that um and you know like I know numerous amount of people and occasions where I
01:18:19
bump into people who own businesses and they're like oh we're going to vote
01:18:23
labor in because you know any Cote we gave them they never challenged it and they just paid they don't bark and they
01:18:30
don't try to get better deal they just throw money away um and I just think that's such an insult to hardworking
01:18:38
people who go and you know invest their lives in their jobs and pay their taxes and then these people are just like
01:18:45
reigning money um and I think that's just wrong so I I like to kind of move towards that that direction to try to uh
01:18:55
perhaps get certain amount of people to step in and try to um you know uh make sure we are not you know like taxpayers
01:19:06
Union they are monitoring a bit but you know they don't really um hold government responsible I
01:19:14
think we need something a bit better than that yeah absolutely Kanye what is it where do you want to go
01:19:20
what is it what are you doing he's been sorry he's been very restless today hey well this has been fun that
01:19:28
long tongue of yours it is long he doesn't matter how how tightly you pierce your lips shut the tongue will
01:19:34
find a way in it is the narrowest tongue I've ever seen is this what is this thing what is
01:19:41
that thingy oh my goodness uh he's a I think he's a good judge of character and
01:19:46
he's always he's always liked you I know I have picture with him at radio station
01:19:51
him kissing me yeah kiss kinging loves kissing you oh I love you buddy yeah thanks for coming over Gilder
01:19:59
and being so generous with your stories and your experiences would would you would you call yourself like a proud New
01:20:04
Zealander now yeah yeah I've spend most of my time life here so you're um
01:20:09
Iranian Iranian uh Iranian is that how you say it Iranian Iranian and uh kiwi well I was born in Iran and I'm in New
01:20:18
Zealand I have a New Zealand passport so you know it's funny you know people
01:20:23
every every time you go out say oh so where are you from are you visiting how long are because of my exent it's so
01:20:29
very strong and it kind of makes you sound like a villain in a Bond movie no I think I think it's my stubborn
01:20:36
character you know I spoke English when I was young so when I came here I really
01:20:41
spoke English um as your second second language so I I've never changed my accent my accent is still the same as it
01:20:49
was when originally I arrived here and um I guess that says something about me stubborn I just don't l no my accent no
01:20:58
I should speak like a kiwi can you though what does it how does it sound like when you're try and to I feel like
01:21:04
when you were doing um was almost like an impression earlier of James you almost flipped into
01:21:10
a into a voice maybe I subconsciously maybe maybe yeah but I don't know I I don't think I can do qvx and if I do it
01:21:19
will be like one of those terrible like cliches that I Americans would do or like you got to give it a guy let's hear
01:21:26
it like what just say something honestly nothing comes to mind I'm trying hard we need to get some
01:21:35
wines on you for that yeah probably probably um and um you're you're the
01:21:39
same age as me 50 any regrets any regrets anything you change anything you do differently if you had your time over
01:21:50
again no I love that that's cool I think that's probably a good place to end it
01:21:56
thanks so much for coming over today thanks M You're great and you know I've
01:22:00
known you for quite a long time and you're just always so you know I I like watch your Instagram and you're always
01:22:07
racing and running in this marathons and I always like and I'm like in my bed you like energize their battery and
01:22:17
you know it it's really nice because it gives um some sort of a good motivational energy and thoughts and you
01:22:25
know to people like me who are not very active are you not you're not very active what are you do I used to be like
01:22:31
a freak I used to go to gym like five times a week I've always done boxing or
01:22:35
kickboxing uh I still do four times a week but my trainer at the moment he's
01:22:39
been away for five weeks he went to us he's just back so Monday I'll start back
01:22:43
again but the way you do it I'm not a cardiio like I can't run to save my life
01:22:48
or maybe it's because of my you know oh you just touch your boobs then for the
01:22:52
people that listening to this yeah you should look into getting a getting a reduction when when yeah when JJ got H
01:22:57
done they um they they took out the amount they took out was alarmingly small it was like um maybe 750 gram each
01:23:04
boob and she was like you should take out more and he's like no you don't want
01:23:07
to look out of proportion you want and but she she loves them the job that this guy did was perfect apparently makes
01:23:14
life so probably if you ask me after I do this then I'll say oh why didn't I
01:23:19
get a whoop job earlier yeah probably hey well gild Gilda oh God I'm doing it
01:23:25
again I'm getting all nervous Gilda what was your name before marriage sad what does it s right how come you
01:23:35
kept um James's name because just why change it yeah you know already stop you know why why
01:23:43
shouldn't I yeah it's just that's me would would you get married again like
01:23:47
your your your baby daddy and your current partner uh are you guys just happy we very happy I mean why you know
01:23:55
kick a horse or what what is that expression I forgot kick a horse does I don't know if that's a
01:24:01
saying but it should be why kick a horse things are going well why Rock the Boat oh
01:24:10
something but don't don't kick the horse either all right Gilda hey um I love you
01:24:14
very much and thank you so much for coming over today and being so generous with your with your stories um I got a
01:24:18
lot out of it and I hope a lot of other people did too thank you I'm I'm sure a
01:24:22
lot of people will listen to it and go to sleep very nicely in the middle of it but thanks for giving me the chance and
01:24:30
um great to see you [Music] again