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broy Kane welcome to my podcast well
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it's an honor to be back for the second
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time and you've really glowed up Dom you
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know physically mentally and the Pod so
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you know last time we were in that
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studio the studio yeah yeah because last
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time you were one of my um very early
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guests on the podcast like maybe the
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first 10 or first 15 guests and I rented
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a studio
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specifically um yeah lots big changes
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for both of us since then I know so
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what's oh now I was trying to pinpoint
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it today um when did when did we become
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friends do you mean like but do when do
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you think um when we became friends in
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terms of when the Friendship blossomed
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when was the blossoming of the
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Friendship yeah was it at that first
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podcast we did was that sort of we
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hadn't run together before then had we
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no no and I think we just started
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connecting because we were doing on
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similar paths in terms of independent
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podcasts um and I think I think I was
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quite a good sounding board to you
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you're very good very good and then we
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then we started doing our sounding board
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running yeah and then that's when it was
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like well this is a great way to fill
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time we've got a three-hour run and I
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don't think even even when we have three
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hour runs we stop for ear do we no no
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well no not at all um we've done a lot
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of a lot of long runs um yeah you're
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here today because um you got this
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amazing new book out um Brody Kane woman
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interrupted when when interrupted
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interesting uninterrupted sorry when
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when you when you see the physical book
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and the cover and stuff how do you feel
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like you burst him with pride I at the
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moment I'm actually still kind of like
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oh gosh there it is um I feel like when
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you you would know um it's a big effort
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getting a book out and I almost like I'm
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like I hope I can remember everything to
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to you about because you spend so much
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time on it that when you go through that
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last edit you're like I don't want to
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hear about myself for quite some time
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and you almost shut it out like you kind
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I don't know whether you did that I I
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just sort of like P pushed it away and
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now I'm like oh yeah gosh okay and even
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when you uh shared a story about uh one
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of the chapters I was like oh yeah okay
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now this isn't set in stone in book form
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so it's like it's a really proud feeling
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though to to write a book it's an ego
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project doesn't it let's be honest well
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it's it's not not a great payday but
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it's um yeah something something
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tangible so regard whatever happens to
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you in the future you've got this um
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sort of archive of your of of your life
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yeah and I mean that's not a it's not a
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memoir it's not a uh it's not a hello I
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was born today and here I am today it's
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not a it's not a um story about a
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particular particular life event that's
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changed me forever cuz that's not the
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case it's just like hey team I've had a
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pretty chocker life some of it's been
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pretty cool some of it's been quite
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clumsy But ultimately all of it has led
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me to the person I am today and there's
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sort of some lessons and kind of not
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some lessons along the way I I um yeah I
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really love that you talk about the um
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the clumsiness and the the the mess um
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life a highlights real book would not be
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exciting I I don't know you know it
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would be exciting but like life is
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[ __ ] ugly yeah and time and I think
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you know I one of the things that I have
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found really important in I guess not
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only just your your personal life but in
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my in
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my professional life as well now more so
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really in the past few years since sort
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of being um self-employed is that what
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people value out of what I do is is is
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is me is is being real
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and I've never really known how to be
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anything other than that you know and I
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I think though that I've been able to
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Relish in that more when I haven't had a
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boss you know yeah no but like everyone
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has um everyone has feal incidents allal
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yes everyone everyone shits themselves
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or nearly shits themselves but everyone
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also has that moment like do I do I tell
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anyone about this or not
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and you've had the opportunity to write
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a book and you've shared it in the book
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there's we've spent a lot of hours
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running and a lot of hours talking and
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and there's things about you that I um
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that I that I did not know that I now
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know like um you having a shower poo in
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Paris that gets a whole chapter early on
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I feel like that's that's a good way to
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open the book because it's like if you
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if you're tapping out now then it's not
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the book for you also you're a smoker I
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never knew you were a smoker oh yeah in
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my 20s like just a casual smoker yeah I
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mean isn't it funny that that's the way
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that describe ourselves in order to make
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ourselves feel better but yes I smoked
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in my 20s I actually I actually smoked a
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little bit when I was a teenager too at
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high school though I remember we would
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buy Rollies for a dollar and no sorry
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Rollies for 50 cents and taes for a
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dollar um like singles yeah from from I
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don't know some kid out on the field and
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um and so yeah like I I did when I was
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traveling you know I would I would smoke
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on my Oe when I'd go to Barley I'd smoke
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because they were like $2 and you were
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like I might as well take up smoking
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while I'm in barley um yeah so I de I
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debled I debled with siggies when when
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you when when the Poo incident in the
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shower happened in Paris last year did
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you take up smoking no I but of all the
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places you should it should really be
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Europe shouldn't it cuz people still
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it's still very fashionable over there
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French make it look so nice but I but
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yeah I I um no the Poo the Poo incident
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I mean do we do you do we share that
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with the people or or do we what do you
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think they could be a book maybe that's
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a book [ __ ] I don't know I'm I'm like I
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know some people find it really
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offputting some sometimes I do these
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podcasts and and be a Fe and people find
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that really offputting for the the
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YouTube thing the the the feal thing
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though like everyone shits well the
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thing is um one of the story there's two
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[ __ ] stories in the book I actually
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wanted to I actually wanted to call the
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book AET and the share in Paris because
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I just thought that that would sort of
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like lure people in but then it was also
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kind of too similar to that someone
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shattered our wedding podcast or
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something like that but um that's right
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I get tended to a true crime podcast
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yeah but no I you know there's two in
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there and one one story though that I do
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roll out quite often in my keynote
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speeches is when I shat in the jungle in
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brunai when I was in the Army so that's
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in there too but that's sort of a that's
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an old regular cuz that's a that's a
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repper as well um and look you know
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better out than in and I've always I've
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grown up with like I've I enjy Pooh
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humor so I find farts funny a fart to me
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is never not funny um and and I and I
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have you know like a bit of irritable
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bowel syndrome so I'm a regular [ __ ]
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full [ __ ] so speak I think it's good to
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share by the way on on that the last
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couple of long runs we've been on I've
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had um I've had severe running farts and
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uh you you you've never said anything or
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acknowledged it do you know Pro who we
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ran with the other day am I getting away
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with these or are you just ch not to
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humiliate me I I thought that the other
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day to be honest I thought that there
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was a couple and I wasn't sure whether
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it was your shoe creaking on the okay
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but yeah no but someone Almost got away
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with that yeah but but I I I'm not
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offended by that I'm like go off Dom
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like you get that out okay yeah oh
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another thing in the book that I didn't
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know about you the um the stuck tampon
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incident but I then again I I I mean how
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would you bring it up on a three-hour
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run D you won't believe what happened to
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me yeah that's not do you know that what
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what's horrible about that is you
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actually it's it is your worst nightmare
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because you hear about toxic shock
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syndrome um and I think though at the
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time that that happened and and you
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speak to women and it's really common
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but you but you kind of think how how
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you try and figure out how that's
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logistically possible to do that but
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I you feel like a you feel like a like
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you feel a bit yuck and you feel a
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little bit embarrassed and at that
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particular point in time I was that was
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that was like almost in the middle of
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sort of unraveling with burnout but not
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being able to deal with it cuz I was
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about to jump on a plane to go and do
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like you know a job of a lifetime but I
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was I was putting off you know like the
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body was going nuts um I'd left the temp
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on in but I was going to Paris the next
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day
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and it was just when I look back at that
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I'm like oh my gosh no wonder you no
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wonder you did suffer burnout
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because all of these things were
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happening no wonder you lodged a bloody
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tampon up there and forgot about it you
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know like these are all signs of things
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that you're just like just doing too
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much pushing yourself too hard yeah 100%
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I think I remember you around that time
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you had a lot going on and me and M M we
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talked about going to business with you
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like a podcast business and you were
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like not today not this year but the
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being like being being a male I've got
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I've got very limited understanding
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about like anything menstrual but surely
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it's like one in one out you put one in
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you put it out replace
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it you you would think so but I don't
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even I can't even I couldn't the worst
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thing was when the doctor was like that
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is there is a tampon up there i' I'd
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removed one cuz she was about to do a um
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a h what was she like almost like a
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cical smear thing um which is super
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Pleasant there's like this thing that
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you it's like a I call it a duck beak
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that's the shape of it and it goes in up
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your um vagina and then they open it up
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which is super lovely as you can imagine
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um and then they scrape your bloody
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cervix Divine experience and so she was
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about to do that so I'd gone and at this
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this time as well I was going through
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you this this really big
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bleed um so I was going to see what all
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that was about and yeah I so I'd gone to
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remove one and then then she puts the
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duck up she's like there's a ton in
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there and I just I was like oh my God I
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don't know how long it I don't know how
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long it have been in there and and and
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when I went to go get the blood tests
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for for because we didn't know it I was
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showing signs of an early infection so I
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was jumping on that plane to the rugby w
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c up the next day so I just sort of fell
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apart pants down in tears with this poor
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amazing doctor that I go to and she was
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like oh my God it's okay I was like no
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it's not it's not okay and then of
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course yeah I had to go and get the
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Bloods and do an ultrasound and all this
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you know I went to the hospital on my
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way to the airport the next day to go
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and see what was wrong with my bits it's
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a it's a frantic story in the book it's
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like in a 4-Hour window between going to
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the going to the hospital and going to
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the and and then there's the 30 hour
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flight and then that's that's when you p
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in the shower Paris it's a hell of a
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couple of days hey it was a lot well it
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was like both both ends were like
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telling me something weren't they they
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were like mate you need to slow down so
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but yeah I mean it's not what exactly
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what you want to do when you go to Paris
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are you not really the city of romance
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really [ __ ] in the shower but hey it's a
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good story yeah sh there's so much to
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get through um I am mindful of the time
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though because um you have you have
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podcast length shamed me in the past
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what did you I told you I had a podcast
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with Justin Marshall that went for just
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under 3 hours and you're like oh Dom no
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one needs that much Justin Marshall well
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no one needs that much anyone Dom no one
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needs no one is no one who who who would
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you listen to for three
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hours like if you not not your own guest
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who's something who's someone I would go
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and listen to someone on stage maybe I'd
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go and listen to someone like Obama or
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David and Ur or something on stage but I
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don't know I mean look if you want me
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for three sweet is but I don't think
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that's what the people want they might I
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don't know no but don't you think don't
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you think like you know people people
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can listen to a podcast if you're going
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on a long run listen for an hour and
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then listen to the two hours another
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time you know pause it do you know what
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you you [ __ ] you do you march the
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beat of your own drum pal like you do
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I'm here for you I will not judge you
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for how long our podcast goes okay cool
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all right well let's go way back um so
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you I've never met your dad M um but
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I've met your mom I love your mom m and
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joy um um incredible backstory I had no
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idea so so they were together they you
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you there's a big age gap between you
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and your brother so they together they
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went married though no so yeah they were
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your dad was an alcoholic yeah so they
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um they were I I guess I mean I don't
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know what it was what it would have been
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called back then but they were hooking
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up right so they were they were seeing
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each other um and then Mom got pregnant
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and she was she she had had an abortion
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prior to um to that to that to getting
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pregnant this time um and she made the
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decision that she wanted to to keep the
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child and um yeah Dad was so she must
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have been 20 21 and dad would have been
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33 33 34 and yeah she told him
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that she was going to kick the baby and
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and he he was that was in a period of
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his life where he was very much drinking
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a lot and he was you know his nickname's
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Maz which is short for Mustang cuz he
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used to drive a Mustang um was his name
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not maray oh no no his name is muray but
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he but M came from well M I guess is
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also other marri not that don't drive
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Mustangs I suppose but um I didn't
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really think about that but no I've
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always I've always got it from Mustang
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but no you're right M anyway so yeah so
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he so he he was not just didn't have he
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was not it was not something that he
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wanted to be involved with so um Mom
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raised my brother AJ for first six six
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and a half years of his life as a Solo
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solo mom in the 70s ' 80s both 70s yeah
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AJ was born in 1976 right um so yeah
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they um she you know she did it hard and
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they didn't have a lot of money and she
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was you know there was a she was at one
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point she was um a cleaner but she was
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also a lifeguard and a swim coach and
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used to go he was her little mate used
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to go everywhere with her so um and then
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what happened was uh dad realized and
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it's it's in the book about the sort of
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Turning Point had' gone to you know he'd
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gone to a mate's funeral and it turned
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up and he was in the ding bats you know
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like which we would probably now refer
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to as like coming off the back of a
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bender um and went to a went to a mate's
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dad's funeral
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and just went back to the ship after the
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funeral they had what' he say he had a
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beautiful silk shirt on but he had eggs
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spilled all down it from smashing back
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some you know some food to try and soak
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it up before the funeral and he went
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back to the boat that he was working on
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and open the fridge and there was a beer
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in there and he smashed it like I mean
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smashed it drink not not smashed the
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glass drunk it and that was to be the
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last drop of alcohol that he ever had
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and so that was I guess 30 what am I 38
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40 40 years ago um and then he turned
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his life around a bit at
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age 42 you know like started again got
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off the booze um wanted to be back
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involved in AJ's life and then after a
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bit of time of just hanging out with AJ
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wanted to sort of start taking M out for
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catch-ups and that as well and then then
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they got back together so the rekindled
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it's it's it's a wonderful story yeah
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like what was the uh the Catalyst was it
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his mate's funeral or had he just did he
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get bored of being I think I think it
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was the the funeral that just it was
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like you're a sack of [ __ ] like this
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can't go on um and yeah going in and
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just having that last bear and being
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like I can't I can't do this anymore and
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and and he he speaks of other you know
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he had other people around him that had
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that had died or something bad had
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happened to and he just sort of realized
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that the it yeah but as you would know
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and I know very well we will have those
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second ship moments and then for a week
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later you might be good and then you're
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like oh it's a sunny day yeah so you
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crack into it
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again to make that commitment and stick
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with it for four decades or whatever is
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incredible but but he by he is he was an
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alcoholic like he was his life was
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unring and he drunk so much all the time
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so it was destroying his life um not
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just not just once a not just on a
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Sunday afternoon down at swashi or this
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was we can't be too judgmental Miss 11
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bottles of gin during lockdown yes no
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that's true yeah and you know like he he
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is always aware of cuz I have an
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addictive personality right so I'm
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always aware of that as well 100% in ter
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in terms of I reckon yeah that lockdown
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changed added you know drinking patterns
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that are not healthy you you had your
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reasons you we'll get to that okay I'm
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just I'm just playing with you and then
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um you were conce so they got back
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together and you were conceived in
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Singapore on a on the way to do they
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have a one like a night's accommodation
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or was it like an airport airport toilet
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do you know what I actually haven't
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asked them that I was the stop it's a
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key piece of information I I to be fair
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I have well actually no because the yarn
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always was that I was conceived in
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barley but then I think they were like
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doing the mess and no it was I I I I
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look I you can you can ask if you like I
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don't entirely need to know the
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intricacies of seed re Arrangement I'm
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very grateful for seed Arrangement cuz
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I'm here yeah but I've got suppl
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supplementary questions like do they
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have a night at the marina SS which is a
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beautiful hotel or was it a 4-Hour
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stopover and it was like an airplane
00:18:50
toilet was it actually midair the year
00:18:53
was 1985 that that it must have happened
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soar Marina Marina sand is there look
00:19:00
look I yeah key piece of information I
00:19:02
can't give you I'm sorry yeah so then um
00:19:05
I didn't realize your appearance um
00:19:07
split up so late in the pieace so that
00:19:08
they only split up like eight years ago
00:19:10
2016 yeah yeah yeah why why they just
00:19:13
outgrow each other
00:19:14
or I think you know not wanting to speak
00:19:19
for either of them or or or sort of but
00:19:23
also it's it is something that we talk
00:19:25
about but
00:19:27
um I think
00:19:29
their lives just got a bit different in
00:19:31
terms of where they both wanted to be
00:19:35
but that also stopped talking to each
00:19:37
other in that kind of way where with in
00:19:41
the way that they were always so good at
00:19:43
doing that they were they were good
00:19:45
friends they were a good team and a few
00:19:49
pretty stressful things in their lives I
00:19:53
think also contributed to it like um Mom
00:19:58
there the yeah he went through bladder
00:20:01
cancer um and then he finished work and
00:20:05
so bear in mind as well mu had always he
00:20:08
had always worked on the on the adura
00:20:10
the the inter Islander Fury pretty much
00:20:13
almost as long as I was alive and but he
00:20:17
always worked on on ships and so a lot
00:20:20
of his half of his life was not at home
00:20:24
and so then I think when when he stopped
00:20:26
working and went through the cancer and
00:20:28
then mom got ceremoniously sacked by the
00:20:30
government when she was on environment
00:20:32
canbury so they went from like two jobs
00:20:36
to nothing and so there was Financial
00:20:38
strain and and a you know just big and
00:20:43
the cancer and these big stresses which
00:20:46
again I you know it's not from my point
00:20:49
of view in terms of I don't think they
00:20:51
ever fell out of love it just they just
00:20:53
stopped talking and and and stop being
00:20:56
teammates um but in saying that
00:20:59
um I think that's a really really tough
00:21:02
decision to make at that age because you
00:21:05
know
00:21:06
they when when you're that when you're
00:21:08
in like Mom was in her 60s early 60s dad
00:21:11
was in his 70s when you split uh at that
00:21:15
age you know you think about not only
00:21:17
the emotional ramifications but it you
00:21:20
know hard financially when every you
00:21:22
know you get half and you get half and
00:21:24
it's not a massive amount so I actually
00:21:27
I dare say that there probably a lot of
00:21:29
marriages out there that stay together
00:21:31
probably because that the thought of
00:21:33
that alone is is hard to do that I'd
00:21:36
agree with that also because you you
00:21:37
know you're old you're like H I'll just
00:21:39
I'll just wait it out I can't stand the
00:21:41
S of him but I'll just I you know you're
00:21:43
how long 20 years that be ick yeah and
00:21:46
so but I I really as as as hard as it
00:21:50
was and it was it was hard cuz I guess
00:21:53
we were like you know me and AJ were
00:21:55
adults and we we we've they had been
00:21:57
there as this amazing unit for us and it
00:22:00
was like oh come on guys really but
00:22:02
ultimately what a brave decision to in
00:22:06
the end identify that they were living
00:22:09
two different lives and that it wasn't
00:22:12
going
00:22:13
to work absolutely yeah the path of
00:22:16
least resistance would be just to stay
00:22:18
together and you know carry on being
00:22:20
like mildly unhappy I guess yeah um yeah
00:22:23
but I like I I've never met your dad so
00:22:25
I don't know much about him but I you
00:22:27
took he was up here the other week you
00:22:28
took to the Warriors so that looks like
00:22:30
a close relationship and your mom
00:22:31
incredibly close relationship you live
00:22:34
together yeah I I think I there's not a
00:22:37
day that goes by that I'm not
00:22:41
so you
00:22:42
know overwhelmingly grateful for those
00:22:46
two
00:22:47
and you know sure I live in a different
00:22:50
city to M now but like that guy has just
00:22:54
been been absolutely in love with me
00:22:57
since the day I was born and you know we
00:23:00
always joke I could do no wrong it's
00:23:02
pretty pretty accurate the truth you
00:23:04
know um and and and what I love about
00:23:08
muz is that he is he's like one of the
00:23:11
OG like he is such a feminist he's
00:23:13
probably more feminist than I am and
00:23:16
he's he's got a really
00:23:18
beautiful social
00:23:21
conscience and he gets [ __ ] like he's he
00:23:25
you know he's not I mean what is he 80
00:23:28
he'll be 82 this year he you know he
00:23:32
he's he's something else he's passionate
00:23:34
about music like he's you could ask him
00:23:36
anything about music from the 50s and
00:23:38
the 60s he you know he'd call himself
00:23:40
he's an old bodgy you loves
00:23:43
Elvis and but he you know he'll often
00:23:46
joke and be like when are you when are
00:23:48
you sheers or when are you ladies going
00:23:50
to realize that the root of all fuckups
00:23:53
in this world is because of us when are
00:23:55
you going to when are you going to sort
00:23:57
that out you know and and and I'm like
00:23:59
you know you said it not me you know and
00:24:02
so he's he's he's probably you know
00:24:05
before the term was bastardized dad was
00:24:08
you'd probably say was a woke woke old
00:24:09
dude cuz he he he believes in social
00:24:12
justice and he's he's fantastic so I
00:24:15
I've been very lucky to be raised by
00:24:18
that and the values that he grew up with
00:24:20
with his family um and so we you know we
00:24:24
have you know the Warriors and yeah he's
00:24:27
just he loves Warriors we we chat on the
00:24:30
phone all the time and debrief and who
00:24:33
will you know he will often vent his
00:24:37
political frustrations and I'm like all
00:24:39
right M you know sometimes I'll wind
00:24:40
them up deliberately um but yeah great
00:24:43
great discussions with him yeah I can
00:24:45
see I can see that um with that
00:24:46
description I can see that part of um
00:24:49
him and you yeah um you loves loves
00:24:52
loves a cause loves a passionate cause
00:24:54
but also I can see a lot of your lot of
00:24:55
your M and you as well like um yeah so
00:24:57
she she had the the record at the time
00:24:59
for swimming the [ __ ] straight oldest
00:25:00
woman to swim the [ __ ] straight she she
00:25:02
was 40 yeah so this happened when you
00:25:04
were 10 yes 10 and and I and I suppose I
00:25:07
think um if you see when you're a kid if
00:25:09
you see your mom do something amazing
00:25:10
like that it makes you realize that you
00:25:12
can you can do amazing things too I
00:25:13
don't know it makes the things that
00:25:15
would otherwise seem impossible seem
00:25:17
possible and I wonder if that's where
00:25:18
you get your toughness from well it's
00:25:19
funny isn't it cuz she um she was a good
00:25:22
swimmer and and a good surf Lifesaver
00:25:25
and
00:25:27
um she would she would do all of that
00:25:29
stuff competitively but it was it was
00:25:31
funny cuz she I think I was I was about
00:25:34
6 months old when she did her first
00:25:37
Coast to Coast so that was kind of her
00:25:39
first dabble into
00:25:41
endurance uh events and so I was a
00:25:44
little kid when she was pumping out Iron
00:25:46
Man like doing an Iron Man um and so I
00:25:51
mean I don't I don't have lots of
00:25:52
memories of that but like what a legend
00:25:56
and and she yeah she so the actual first
00:25:59
time she swam part of the [ __ ] STP she
00:26:02
was 16 so she she paced for a guy called
00:26:05
Perry cam camon who I believe might have
00:26:07
been the first guy to go north to south
00:26:10
or you know very early days so she paced
00:26:13
with him and so she swam a good chunk of
00:26:16
it back then and always said to herself
00:26:18
you know I must go back and do that and
00:26:20
then her and she turned 40 so her
00:26:24
birthday is in September she turned 40
00:26:26
her and her best mate Russell for drun a
00:26:28
bottle of whiskey and we're like it's
00:26:31
time and so yeah it was March not the
00:26:34
same night though no no that would that
00:26:36
I don't know if that would work would it
00:26:38
but yeah she so then yeah March the
00:26:40
following year she swam the thing and
00:26:43
and which is it's nuts by the way is it
00:26:45
nut what is it like 20 to 30ks depending
00:26:47
on the roof yeah the the sh like if you
00:26:50
were which you couldn't I don't think
00:26:51
you know the shortest to shortest is 21
00:26:54
right but I think she did 29 or 30
00:26:57
something yeah like way over like a 10
00:27:00
hour swim it's crazy yeah I know she was
00:27:02
10 hours 52 in the water finished in the
00:27:05
dark like that that's crazy and you fly
00:27:08
over it or you or you're on the in
00:27:10
Islander and you're like that is [ __ ]
00:27:14
ginormous that is crazy you know yeah
00:27:17
it's B fling yeah you make the joke in
00:27:18
there that your dad um Jud was roll on
00:27:20
the inter island he he crossed the coook
00:27:22
straight many times yes yes hundreds of
00:27:24
times and actually he he did and but he
00:27:26
also rode he was the Sur Lifesaver as
00:27:28
well and he was in the one of the boat
00:27:30
Crews for North Beach and they actually
00:27:32
rode across the Cook Strait one year as
00:27:35
well that was those classic like I think
00:27:37
that was in the 70s cuz they had those
00:27:38
massive handlebar mustache I don't know
00:27:41
if they rode actually that's another key
00:27:42
I don't know if they rode over on their
00:27:43
speed in their Speedos that would be a
00:27:46
good story wouldn't it imagine rowing
00:27:48
across the Cook Street in your Budgy
00:27:50
Smugglers that would be amazing oh oh so
00:27:53
just that just triggered a thought um I
00:27:55
caught up with a M of mine over the
00:27:57
weekend who used to work with you and
00:27:58
said oh he said if you get on to talking
00:28:00
about her love life ask her about the
00:28:01
guy the guy that she was seeing for a
00:28:02
couple of months that used to wear
00:28:03
Speedos around the house all the
00:28:05
time no he said you were dating some guy
00:28:08
and they're just like you were fling
00:28:10
with some other girls and this guy would
00:28:11
just like rock around the house in
00:28:14
Speedos wait is this Andy has he has he
00:28:17
got two stories
00:28:18
merged maybe he does maybe there's
00:28:21
nothing used to rock no I know I know
00:28:23
that I'm thinking about the time that if
00:28:25
he's talking about the time that we
00:28:27
lived at home
00:28:29
Street was there a guy that we lived
00:28:31
with that was in Speedos my love I don't
00:28:34
I I don't have that many reging dating
00:28:37
stories I feel a story there it would
00:28:39
come to you I mean I you know grew up
00:28:41
doing surfly savings so there was lots
00:28:42
of speedos in my life but no I can't I
00:28:45
can't remember that I can't place that
00:28:47
um sounds like your mom was your mom was
00:28:49
um quite was and and still is quite
00:28:53
quite tough on you and the respect that
00:28:54
if you're bitching about your health
00:28:55
issues she's like oh you going on about
00:28:58
that sort of she's you can see what
00:29:01
where where your sort of um toughness
00:29:04
comes from eh comes from the way you
00:29:06
were raised and I suppose also the
00:29:07
genetic thing as well yeah I think um
00:29:11
she is so tough like she is just made of
00:29:14
like you know I even watched when I took
00:29:17
her for her first ice bath right which
00:29:20
they're quite intense well the first
00:29:22
time you do it your
00:29:24
hyperventilated she smashed out two
00:29:26
minutes and then the second time she got
00:29:27
in she just did three and a half minutes
00:29:30
and and she's
00:29:33
going but she but she's just like so
00:29:37
tough do you know what though I I feel
00:29:41
like I feel like she's she's allowed
00:29:44
herself a softer side in more recent
00:29:46
years and I but I always joke with her
00:29:49
because when I was about 11 I was at
00:29:52
waku primary and and because we always
00:29:54
take used to take the piss out of her
00:29:56
cuz she'd she's the she is the kind of
00:29:57
like like walk it off it's that walk it
00:30:00
off frame of mine right so I remember I
00:30:02
was at I was at primary school we were
00:30:04
running around I was running someone was
00:30:07
chasing me there was a hula hoop on the
00:30:09
concrete and my foot touched the hula
00:30:11
hoop and I slipped and I landed on my
00:30:14
side and unbeknown to me at the time my
00:30:18
pelvis
00:30:19
went and so it hurt as you can imagine
00:30:22
so I'm on tears and all that and they
00:30:24
ring mom to come pick me up and she
00:30:26
comes to pick me up and and I'm like
00:30:28
sort of struggling to walk at this point
00:30:31
and she she like get in the car get in
00:30:32
the car get in the car you know gets me
00:30:36
home I'm
00:30:37
like you'll be fine we'll just get some
00:30:40
ice I was like I don't know where where
00:30:41
am I icing she get legs up legs up and
00:30:46
then she's like look I've got to go out
00:30:47
so she had to go out I couldn't walk dad
00:30:51
gets home and he's like oh for fact's
00:30:53
sake Joe she's clearly in a lot of pain
00:30:55
right and because he's he's got the rule
00:30:58
is's the soft and yeah yeah so they took
00:31:00
me into the hospital sure enough i'
00:31:01
fractured my pelvis so we always say
00:31:04
that like whenever she says walk it off
00:31:07
it's like now do we just want to think
00:31:09
about that should we just assess that so
00:31:11
she yeah she is tough she has instilled
00:31:14
toughness in me um and I think a element
00:31:18
of that probably generational too isn't
00:31:19
it that kind of they just they just
00:31:21
triggered a story about um my mom so I I
00:31:24
only know this through family but I was
00:31:26
two her at the time my older sister was
00:31:27
four and she fell off a stool and had a
00:31:29
sore arm and she wouldn't stop crying so
00:31:32
Mom ended up giving her I don't even
00:31:33
know if I can say this anymore but
00:31:35
what's called a Chinese B yeah on the
00:31:38
and it turns out then Auntie Robin came
00:31:39
around who's a nurse and she was like oh
00:31:41
we should probably get some get this
00:31:42
checked and turned out mom mom gave
00:31:45
Bridget like a Chinese burn on her
00:31:46
broken wrist oh my God yeah they just
00:31:49
sort of is that like just toughen up
00:31:53
mentality but I I think that Mom doesn't
00:31:57
necessarily
00:31:58
like she is I I I I almost think
00:32:01
sometimes she's too much of that on
00:32:03
herself but I think she really like her
00:32:06
her caring nature to everyone is is
00:32:09
unreal and and just amazing but I I do
00:32:13
like I actually like sometimes I can be
00:32:15
a bit like dramatic or a bit sensitive
00:32:17
cuz I am that as well but I like that I
00:32:21
I like that kind of I think it's for me
00:32:25
anyway that kind of like no [ __ ]
00:32:28
approach I think has absolutely has its
00:32:31
place and and You' you've got it like
00:32:33
personality wise but also physicality
00:32:35
wise it's like you've done the Kepler
00:32:36
challenge twice which is a 60k mountain
00:32:38
run which is no joke um you know you you
00:32:41
you piss out marathons like that no big
00:32:44
they're no big deal and you know you
00:32:46
have this this physical and mental
00:32:47
toughness to you and and I think that
00:32:49
yeah that that I am grateful that I I
00:32:51
have I've watched her do all of her
00:32:53
amazing things and but the similarity I
00:32:56
love is that I kind of have almost
00:32:58
fallen in love with them in the same age
00:33:01
bracket that she did you know and I
00:33:02
think the our our bodies are pretty
00:33:05
amazing things and I would I would say
00:33:09
that as a woman I I don't know like we
00:33:12
are so damn hard on ourselves we you
00:33:16
know there's always that kind of running
00:33:18
joke that when you're you know 15 you're
00:33:22
unhappy with your body and then five
00:33:24
years later you look at a photo back and
00:33:26
you're like you looked amazing and when
00:33:27
when you're 25 and you look at a photo
00:33:29
when you were 20 you look you're like
00:33:31
you look amazing and it goes on and on
00:33:33
and on right and until you're like
00:33:35
trying to be like mate you know sort
00:33:38
sort your brain out like you're not
00:33:40
defined by that but also you look
00:33:43
[ __ ] great then now and so I think
00:33:46
what I'm trying to get to to peace with
00:33:49
and I I dare say I dare say you'll never
00:33:52
land at full piece but trying to
00:33:55
actually appreciate what I can do
00:33:57
physically and that that is my body and
00:34:00
you know and my mind doing that um is
00:34:03
something
00:34:05
that particularly training for the
00:34:07
marathon that we're we're both embarking
00:34:09
on I I think I'm like embracing it more
00:34:14
but It's Tricky it is tricky
00:34:16
to you can you can think that you're
00:34:18
tough and all that but if you're mean on
00:34:20
your mean on your body or mean on mean
00:34:22
on your body image it just seems to be a
00:34:24
bit of a waste of time but I think that
00:34:26
that also was that kind of cycle of
00:34:27
growing up with with that being
00:34:29
something that we all think is so
00:34:30
important that went off on quite a
00:34:32
tangent but no no it's it's very true
00:34:34
like the the weekend just gone you and I
00:34:36
went out and we ran 31 32 km and it's
00:34:39
like I was standing in the shower after
00:34:40
that thinking [ __ ] that's cool that's a
00:34:43
we just yeah we just did a massive
00:34:45
massive run yeah like it was no big deal
00:34:47
and it's a privilege right we're lucky
00:34:49
that AB we really lucky that we can do
00:34:51
that and so yeah I often often think
00:34:55
that that kind of that toughness
00:34:58
you that toughness can sometimes make
00:35:00
you a bit too hard on yourself I think
00:35:02
like you sort of yeah I think that you
00:35:05
need to try and balance that out and go
00:35:07
yeah we just ran 31k like you're awesome
00:35:11
like that is awesome most people don't
00:35:13
do that like give yourself a bloody fed
00:35:16
on the bed you know absolutely there
00:35:18
there is a little bit of that in in your
00:35:19
book there there's bits where you talk
00:35:21
about how proud you are of yourself and
00:35:22
that that made me uh proud of you
00:35:24
reading that I think that's really cool
00:35:27
it's funny as we we we don't like to
00:35:30
we're we're a bunch of people us new
00:35:32
zealanders where we've we're trying to
00:35:34
navigate celebrating success but we are
00:35:37
aware of tall poppy syndrome and and
00:35:39
also to a degree when you're out on your
00:35:42
own and striving for something there's
00:35:45
impostor syndrome as well that that
00:35:47
comes into play and so
00:35:51
you you you don't want to do it in a way
00:35:55
cuz ultimately as well it's that balance
00:35:57
of also being
00:35:59
extremely aware of um of your privilege
00:36:03
and how lucky you are that you have been
00:36:05
raised by wonderful parents who've
00:36:07
taught you exceptional values who put
00:36:09
importance in your education who
00:36:12
supported you through everything that
00:36:13
you've done and that you have you have
00:36:17
lived a life that you are very
00:36:19
privileged and very you know like not
00:36:21
saying I haven't worked hard but I I
00:36:23
like to I like to be aware o of of that
00:36:26
side of it as well
00:36:28
But ultimately being proud of being uh I
00:36:32
guess a 38- year old woman who is is
00:36:35
doing it all you know I'm a team of one
00:36:37
and and you I've got my wonderful family
00:36:40
and friends but ultimately like you know
00:36:43
you're the I'm the driving force behind
00:36:46
my own brand and it's really challenging
00:36:49
so I think it's it's more about spending
00:36:53
time reflecting I think and I think I
00:36:56
talked about that in the book and what
00:36:59
ended up happening last year which I
00:37:01
think was a culmination of you know
00:37:03
nearly four years of you know being made
00:37:06
redundant and then figuring out who you
00:37:09
are and what what the next few years are
00:37:11
going to look like is that you're so I I
00:37:14
was so um just like dying to be
00:37:19
successful and and like thinking I have
00:37:23
to prove everything and successful at
00:37:26
everything and so so you don't um stop
00:37:30
and smell the roses that you know that's
00:37:32
a great old saying that is actually
00:37:35
really really important is that you just
00:37:37
go from as self-employed you just go oh
00:37:40
cool great I've written a book right
00:37:42
what's the next thing I've got to do
00:37:43
right okay we've done that we've had a
00:37:44
great year what what's what's the next
00:37:46
year look like where do we want to be
00:37:47
with the podcast okay we're running this
00:37:49
Marathon you know like you're just going
00:37:51
oh I finished that TV show right what's
00:37:53
the next thing I need to do what should
00:37:54
I and so it's it becomes this kind of
00:37:57
like cycle of just you're never stopping
00:38:00
to reflect on the last thing you did at
00:38:01
all and that's what I think most people
00:38:04
need to do and it doesn't even need to
00:38:06
be it doesn't even need to be big things
00:38:08
it's like I went for a great walk with
00:38:10
my mates today and that was so good or I
00:38:14
went and had a sauner and I sweeted out
00:38:16
and just had an hour to myself you know
00:38:18
like we just churn churn and churn and
00:38:22
churn and so and I I think a lot of that
00:38:25
on the independent journey is because
00:38:26
you you're fearful where the next dollar
00:38:28
is going to come from So you you're
00:38:30
reluctant to say no to opportunities but
00:38:32
um my my partner Ash who you know like
00:38:34
she she did a 4 and a2k run around the
00:38:36
park yesterday and she was just buzzing
00:38:38
after that she's like I'm so proud of
00:38:39
myself and it um makes me feel sad when
00:38:42
she does that because for me to have the
00:38:44
same level of self-pride I I need to go
00:38:47
out on a 30k run with you yeah you know
00:38:50
and I wish I wish I had that level where
00:38:52
it's like um you know little things
00:38:53
could give me that sort of yeah but I
00:38:56
think you cuz you're quite hard on on
00:38:57
yourself aren't you well I think I think
00:38:59
yeah well you are as well well you are
00:39:02
too but no it's I guess it's that kind
00:39:05
of like highly functional highly
00:39:07
competitive within
00:39:09
yourself high
00:39:11
expectations it it's hard to know like
00:39:15
when to when to switch that off you know
00:39:18
but I I reckon now I'm I'm getting way
00:39:20
better at it like I just like I I reckon
00:39:23
I'm getting just I don't know like [ __ ]
00:39:27
I love a good lie on the LIE on the
00:39:28
couch with a track pant on and just
00:39:30
slothing out and I and I love days where
00:39:33
I don't have to say a word you know that
00:39:35
was never used to I used to be like I'm
00:39:37
[ __ ] so busy and woo look at me go
00:39:40
you know like oh my gosh I've got to go
00:39:41
to this and oh and now it's like yuck
00:39:45
man you know like get home get home put
00:39:49
the trackpants on absolutely sloth out I
00:39:54
love it I love it so much good well you
00:39:56
deserve it hey when you work hard you
00:39:58
you deserve that sort of reset um we
00:40:02
we'll get to how you became an
00:40:03
independent um it's it's a [ __ ]
00:40:05
horrible story but you did a lot of cool
00:40:07
stuff beforehand so so you're at school
00:40:09
you you always wanted to be a journalist
00:40:12
then U but then you dabble in the Army
00:40:14
for a little bit I feel like that comes
00:40:16
that comes back to your mom as well like
00:40:17
you just having this thirst for doing
00:40:19
hard stuff yeah yeah well the the Army
00:40:22
was random though cuz it was like so
00:40:24
some recruitments came hot dudes hot
00:40:26
guys yeah hot army guys came to Rango
00:40:29
High School I was like oh what's going
00:40:31
on here and they were like yeah we're
00:40:33
having a week you know they were having
00:40:34
a week in at buron military camp where
00:40:36
you could go and experience it and I was
00:40:39
like oh that sounds fun July school
00:40:41
holidays and so I went along to that I
00:40:45
had not like I had no there was nothing
00:40:47
remotely about me that had even thought
00:40:50
ever about the Army and even when I went
00:40:51
to the thing I was like oh this is fun
00:40:55
you know and it was like I remember it
00:40:57
was a exactly like the movies just
00:40:58
getting you were just like oh we're
00:40:59
getting yelled at you know um this is
00:41:02
great and then you then you go to Radio
00:41:04
and you got even more yelling yeah yeah
00:41:06
and then and then you know you were
00:41:08
crawling through the mud and all that
00:41:09
like this is [ __ ] great and then but
00:41:12
then they were like we we think you'd be
00:41:14
great so I was like okay and so I I went
00:41:17
to the went to the next stage which is
00:41:20
going to like be trying and be selected
00:41:22
as an officer Cadet to go to officer
00:41:25
Cadet School in Wu so I went to the the
00:41:28
next stage of that which was at trenum
00:41:31
and then I got into that and then I got
00:41:32
in and then it was like [ __ ] so instead
00:41:34
of having one last kind of Summer before
00:41:38
uni I went to Wu for all of January and
00:41:41
all of February and did my basic
00:41:42
training and it was crazy yeah the um
00:41:46
you you talk in the book about how wodu
00:41:48
is like your Roman Empire how often do
00:41:49
you think about wodu now is it like
00:41:51
daily I Reon I think about the at my
00:41:53
time in the Army it would definitely be
00:41:55
a Roman Empire a there's so many parts
00:41:59
of your experience in the army that like
00:42:04
transferred a life and like what one
00:42:07
thing I noticed when when we meet for a
00:42:09
run you're never late yeah I hate being
00:42:11
late and and if I'm late I'm if if I'm
00:42:15
late I actually I I get Flappy if I'm if
00:42:20
I'm
00:42:21
like and then I'll R I'm like God guys
00:42:24
sorry I'm so [ __ ] sorry I'm actually
00:42:26
going to be about 3 minutes late and I'm
00:42:27
so sorry like I I lose I lose my mind um
00:42:31
and so I don't like being late um I mean
00:42:34
this is I always my my room is always
00:42:38
squared away that's a sort of an army
00:42:40
turn like I I I'm someone that pretty
00:42:43
much always has my [ __ ] squared away
00:42:46
always wake up make the bed bang it's
00:42:48
first first thing I do and you had to do
00:42:50
that when you were in the arm it was
00:42:52
like up you got made your bed out to the
00:42:54
shower so I don't I don't tend to I mean
00:42:57
I I like I I think it's
00:43:00
like everything has its place right and
00:43:03
I don't like to [ __ ]
00:43:04
around um so even like I'm like right
00:43:08
even if I am slothing out on the couch
00:43:10
it's like right how long have I got here
00:43:11
oh yeah I'm going to 1400
00:43:14
hours yeah but then you know so it so
00:43:17
and it just it just teaches you good
00:43:19
self-discipline you know just to be yeah
00:43:22
on time um I guess no that's a lie I was
00:43:26
going to say say presentable I was like
00:43:28
that's not always true um but just being
00:43:31
a person that has your [ __ ]
00:43:33
sorted um you really had to learn you
00:43:36
had to have everything sorted in there
00:43:38
you know and that was from your socks to
00:43:41
your polish on your boots to you know um
00:43:44
making sure that you were marching
00:43:46
properly to you know being out in the
00:43:48
field and looking out looking out for
00:43:50
your section mates and stuff like that
00:43:52
so it was it was amaz amazing experience
00:43:55
and gosh you know why do yeah it's such
00:43:58
a it's such a fascinating place it just
00:44:02
you know people drive on that you know
00:44:04
the the desert road and I don't think
00:44:07
many people think too much of it just
00:44:09
like gosh look at this would you but I
00:44:12
go and I'm like I remember when we went
00:44:14
on the uni MOG 2 hours that way and then
00:44:17
we got out of the unimogs and the
00:44:18
pissing rain and we started to dig our
00:44:20
holes and in the rain and we were C
00:44:23
crying and oh it's sucked you know and
00:44:26
like yeah you just it's a massive
00:44:28
massive piece of land that that we have
00:44:31
that I have spent a lot of time on so I
00:44:33
do think about it a lot it's it's quite
00:44:34
a quite a Jack the position between um
00:44:37
military life and the Pampered media
00:44:38
life yeah yeah it's very very different
00:44:42
you know you're dealing with um I
00:44:43
suppose the most
00:44:56
unprecipitated was at radio live and so
00:44:58
that was like this Plucky little battler
00:45:01
of a radio station that was in the
00:45:03
basement of all the other like it
00:45:05
literally had the all the other stations
00:45:09
you know actually that was in um the
00:45:11
brick building on ponsonby road remember
00:45:13
that was where morm and and the breeze
00:45:15
were and you guys had were in the back
00:45:19
entrance and it used to like you know
00:45:22
leak and stuff and it was a small team
00:45:26
and actually there was wasn't actually
00:45:27
room for a great deal of egos to be
00:45:29
honest in that first you know like it
00:45:31
was like we mucked in you know um but
00:45:35
yeah it is a it's a very very different
00:45:38
life because no one is yeah you you you
00:45:42
are all equal in the Army there's no
00:45:46
there's no Behavior you you you can't
00:45:51
argue your way out of anything you know
00:45:53
like rules are rules so um yeah it's not
00:45:57
a just like you know I like to think
00:45:59
that talking is is one of my strengths
00:46:01
and commanding a room but if it's not my
00:46:03
place to [ __ ] command the room it's
00:46:05
not my place to command the room at
00:46:07
least you want to do some extra PRI 100%
00:46:09
100% you are you are yeah oh gosh yeah
00:46:11
it's so yeah there is no Divas or
00:46:16
shining stars in the Army so was it at
00:46:19
radio live where you you did your your
00:46:20
first interview with Dan and Richie was
00:46:23
that R life yeah well actually that was
00:46:25
um I was I was at University then so I
00:46:28
was in fourth year doing journalism at
00:46:31
um Canterbury oh so you're like a train
00:46:33
knee oh my God yeah and so I had just
00:46:35
started working with I just this was how
00:46:39
I got got in CU you I I started working
00:46:42
at radio works doing like cooking
00:46:44
sausages which you know we all loved
00:46:47
cooking s sausages at Harvey Norman or
00:46:51
browny's Mattress Direct um and you know
00:46:54
it would be a Saturday and a Sunday and
00:46:56
you'd be hung over us [ __ ] by the way
00:46:59
how how no listener has ever died of
00:47:01
food poisoning except well I mean it's
00:47:03
Sizzlers can you die a I think I'm
00:47:05
pretty sure they pre-cooked within an
00:47:07
inch of their life aren't they yeah but
00:47:09
whenever you get like a radio station
00:47:10
barbecue out of the lock up there's
00:47:12
cockroach true oh true I didn't think of
00:47:14
that I was just thinking of the sausages
00:47:15
here it's never cleaned properly
00:47:17
someone's being paid $18 an hour they're
00:47:19
not cleaning the barbecue after the
00:47:21
activation no no you're right and so
00:47:23
yeah so that was sort of like how I
00:47:25
started getting into the you know
00:47:27
actually getting a foot into the door of
00:47:28
the of the building and then I and then
00:47:30
I struck up a you know a conversation
00:47:32
with um Matthew py who was the Christ
00:47:35
Church journalist for radio live and so
00:47:38
I would just go along to things with him
00:47:39
or just like piss to him and then I
00:47:42
remember just doing enough of that and
00:47:43
just seeing how he used to write stories
00:47:45
and file voice reports and that to the
00:47:48
point where he was going away for a week
00:47:50
and they were like do you want to fill
00:47:52
in I was like yeah and so I did and then
00:47:55
I remember one of the days was the All
00:47:57
Blacks were at the Heritage Hotel in
00:47:59
Christ and could I go to the could I go
00:48:02
to the press conference and that and it
00:48:04
was like oh my God yes and I was like oh
00:48:07
my God what am I going to wear like
00:48:09
never mind like what am I wearing what
00:48:11
are we wearing and and so yeah and I and
00:48:13
that was when that was like Peak Richie
00:48:16
and Dan you know and I just remember
00:48:19
just being so like my pets were just my
00:48:23
I had sweat dropping down my back I was
00:48:26
just so sweaty and overwhelmed but just
00:48:29
desperately trying to just be demure you
00:48:34
know how to imagine because you you seem
00:48:36
so comfortable were you not you're not
00:48:38
big then you were just like crippled
00:48:40
with fear or you just wanted to do a
00:48:42
good job and I think no I wasn't
00:48:44
crippled with fear I was just were you
00:48:46
like acting as a journalist like what
00:48:48
would a journalist acting you know you
00:48:50
weren't being bro Kane you were just
00:48:51
being like what would a what would a
00:48:52
good journalist do in this situation I
00:48:54
think in the early days you and well in
00:48:57
that in that circumstance I think I felt
00:49:00
like that's a very malale dominated
00:49:03
space as well I can't I do not remember
00:49:05
if there was another woman journalist
00:49:07
there but I'm 99.9% positive there
00:49:10
wasn't and I just think I felt
00:49:12
overwhelmed like I not not that I would
00:49:14
I mean to be fair if you go to like no
00:49:18
it's a bit different now but you they're
00:49:20
intimidating places um male sport press
00:49:23
conferences you know there's a lot of
00:49:25
swinging dicks around like wanting to
00:49:27
out ask the most important question so
00:49:30
they're actually they can be kind of
00:49:32
lame places at the best of times Al so
00:49:35
it wasn't like a one-on-one was it like
00:49:36
a oh no I did have one-on ones but I
00:49:38
just was like it's the environment
00:49:41
you're talking about it's a lion's den
00:49:42
it's awful you know and so I mean think
00:49:45
I mean I I couldn't give a [ __ ] like if
00:49:48
I went to something now on the or even
00:49:50
when I was working on breakfast and
00:49:52
things like when I worked on breakfast
00:49:53
and even Stephen Shar I had to go and be
00:49:56
the dick that ask the silly questions
00:49:58
cuz we were being wacky and or like you
00:50:00
know being funny so so you had to learn
00:50:04
pretty much to not judge the stink eye
00:50:06
that some of those senior men presenters
00:50:10
might give you um I when I was at the
00:50:14
edge we'd have to go along to some of
00:50:15
those things and you'd have your
00:50:16
different objectives like we'd want to
00:50:19
get something F like a funny question
00:50:20
and answer out yeah you'd put your hand
00:50:22
up you'd ask a silly question um and all
00:50:25
these like reports
00:50:27
like um you know people have been doing
00:50:28
it for 30 years that you could hear them
00:50:31
like yeah under their breath yeah
00:50:34
because you're not asking a quick
00:50:35
question about the rotation selection
00:50:37
policy for the next test or whatever
00:50:39
yeah and I think but do you know what I
00:50:41
mean I think A lot's changed now CU
00:50:42
you've got wonderful um color injection
00:50:46
by the likes of you know Crowd Goes Wild
00:50:49
for instance so so actually that that
00:50:52
all now personality based reporting has
00:50:55
its place which is great and and I like
00:50:57
to think that
00:50:59
um we were part of that in the early
00:51:01
days of seven sharp and as much as seven
00:51:03
sharp got an absolute
00:51:05
flogging that was a turning point in
00:51:08
terms of of instead of just being let's
00:51:13
just report the news or let's just stand
00:51:16
and do a piece to camera it was about
00:51:19
telling a story in a different way and
00:51:23
the person the reporter being able to
00:51:27
show their personality with the talent
00:51:30
so so that has and and I'm not saying it
00:51:33
was just seven shot but I but I think
00:51:35
that that and and as I say like Crowd
00:51:37
Goes Wild and places like that have paid
00:51:40
the way for that to be um more than
00:51:44
normal now you know what I me retrained
00:51:46
expectations yeah okay since we're on
00:51:47
there let's talk about seven sh for a
00:51:48
bit so um yes so seven shops still on N
00:51:52
it's with um Jeremy and Hillary yeah um
00:51:55
when when you started like previous to
00:51:57
that had been like the mark sainsbury
00:51:59
show whatever it was called close yeah
00:52:01
and then uh and then yeah seven shout
00:52:04
came along so the main so you were sort
00:52:06
of out and about and it was I was out
00:52:08
and about it was Greg rest in peace um
00:52:11
Jesse Mulligan Alis Moore yeah yeah and
00:52:15
so what the project ended up sort of
00:52:17
becoming was what sort of you guys did
00:52:19
in the beginning but I think again this
00:52:21
is when TV was still very big like
00:52:23
compared to what it is now I think
00:52:25
people just hadn't seen something like
00:52:26
this before like a lighthearted sort of
00:52:29
light-hearted current affairs at seven
00:52:31
this is the thing right you know that
00:52:34
was when I guess if you think back to
00:52:38
then that was probably almost a real
00:52:42
pressure point of when the the hunger to
00:52:47
maintain those ratings of an era that we
00:52:50
were actually probably not fully aware
00:52:52
at the time growing out of was it was
00:52:56
the pressure to win that audience and
00:52:59
the pressure to hold on to people um was
00:53:05
something that was hugely being fought
00:53:08
over right and
00:53:10
so TV andz at the time were looking at
00:53:14
ways to I guess yeah freshen up what was
00:53:17
happening at 7:00 and I think that um
00:53:21
like closeup you know and remember what
00:53:25
was before closeup homes you know like
00:53:26
so you'd had these these massive like
00:53:30
Flagship shows that had been on for a
00:53:32
long time um but there was an there was
00:53:36
an appetite within within to to sort of
00:53:40
change that I guess one of the arguments
00:53:42
is is do people want 90 minutes of hard
00:53:47
news at the end of the day and the
00:53:49
answer today is no they absolutely do
00:53:51
not um and so the idea being let's give
00:53:55
them something that's you you know at
00:53:56
7:00 maybe they're still cooking dinner
00:53:58
for the kids maybe they're you know
00:54:00
maybe they're cooking for themselves
00:54:01
with a glass of wine and it's something
00:54:03
that's just easier to to digest you know
00:54:07
um but gosh we coped a we we just that
00:54:10
was the first time I reckon everyone's
00:54:12
including the O like you know most
00:54:14
people in the media industry I reckon
00:54:16
prior to them weren't too like everyone
00:54:18
sort of didn't say much about each other
00:54:20
everyone just sort of stayed out of each
00:54:21
other's way that was open slather
00:54:24
everyone had an opinion on it you know
00:54:26
about that show and working on it was
00:54:29
like quite wild e cuz you were like oh
00:54:31
my God I work on the most hated show in
00:54:33
New Zealand right now was it that I
00:54:35
forgot about I remember the show but I I
00:54:36
forgot any of the sort of I know it
00:54:39
didn't last all that long um but yeah
00:54:42
was it where were we at with social
00:54:44
media at this point Facebook yes Twitter
00:54:47
right oh okay let say no more what was
00:54:49
it that bad was it that severe yeah and
00:54:52
and and you had sort of the goofball
00:54:53
roll in a way like you were you were
00:54:55
doing a stick yeah and I I I don't I
00:54:58
don't actually know yeah it was it was I
00:55:00
mean the presenters coped up hiding as
00:55:02
well
00:55:04
because whether the whether their on air
00:55:07
chemistry was what was right whether the
00:55:10
writing who was you know like there was
00:55:12
always criticism about the writing or
00:55:13
the the way that the jokes were being
00:55:15
put together with the versus the stories
00:55:18
that were being shared was all
00:55:20
everything everything everyone had a
00:55:22
criticism about everything
00:55:24
um but I I I look back and I go yeah I I
00:55:29
think we we were trying too hard I I
00:55:32
definitely think it was like and
00:55:34
especially when you have a whole you
00:55:36
have a bunch of people that haven't done
00:55:38
that before so you know you're putting a
00:55:41
group of people that are from news
00:55:43
backgrounds into that but you we did we
00:55:47
and that was when that was you're right
00:55:48
there was like Facebook Twitter you did
00:55:50
read everything you did read everything
00:55:52
you know so um but you know it it's yeah
00:55:57
it's a it's a show that has Evol
00:55:59
certainly you know evolved and then
00:56:01
there's been you know many different
00:56:04
Changers and presenters with you know
00:56:05
even remember when Mike and Mike hosking
00:56:07
and Tony Street were the presenters you
00:56:09
know it's sort of like become this thing
00:56:12
and gosh we know that the the the
00:56:15
landscape of of mainstream media is
00:56:19
so crazy at the moment that I don't even
00:56:22
know if you could even I don't even know
00:56:24
what will be around in the next 5 years
00:56:25
like it's Wild Well the the yeah the
00:56:27
thing is it just doesn't have that key
00:56:29
factor anymore you you know you could
00:56:31
put it that that show on excuse me now
00:56:34
and it's just not the the the mess
00:56:35
audience to care but but you you talk in
00:56:38
your book about um you've got a saying
00:56:39
um called pit of despair uh which is
00:56:42
like your your LS in life like mentally
00:56:44
and physically was was that a p topar do
00:56:46
you know it's not no it was hard I'll
00:56:49
tell you what it's hard I I was my first
00:56:51
on air role
00:56:54
and uh like being in front of the camera
00:56:57
and a big opportunity yeah and I was
00:57:01
down in Christ Church and I was in the
00:57:02
Christ Church Newsroom um but the this
00:57:06
is two years after the February Quake so
00:57:08
the crush Newsroom at that time was you
00:57:11
know a makeshift office over in
00:57:13
Addington and so I was extremely
00:57:15
grateful that I had we worked with that
00:57:17
amazing Christ Church Newsroom but I was
00:57:20
on my own and a essentially a a a junior
00:57:24
when it came to television reporting
00:57:27
and I just had no
00:57:30
support and that was really hard and
00:57:35
um so I had support within The Newsroom
00:57:38
but I didn't have I didn't have the
00:57:40
support from my superiors um so it was
00:57:43
it was hard and you were you know you
00:57:46
just sort of felt like you were on your
00:57:47
own and you also felt like you were set
00:57:49
up to fail at times um but ultimately
00:57:52
then you sort of you just went oh well
00:57:55
okay um I can't get a hold of so and so
00:57:58
can't get this story approved I'll just
00:58:00
go and do it anyway you know like so
00:58:02
there was there was an element of that
00:58:03
but I had heaps of fun though like you
00:58:07
know it got to spoon Richie MC spoon
00:58:09
Richie mcco he spooned you technically
00:58:11
he did he spooned me on the mountain on
00:58:13
a mountain in a sleeping bag in a
00:58:15
sleeping bag years before Jimma yes
00:58:18
exactly and then and then I got to meet
00:58:20
Bruno Mars that year what id Sheeran as
00:58:23
well ID Sheeran um you know and so
00:58:27
I just I think that that was like a year
00:58:29
that I learned a
00:58:32
lot in a in a way that possibly yeah
00:58:35
like pushed into a really difficult
00:58:37
position but like toughened me up you
00:58:41
know which I think you needed to be you
00:58:44
know you needed to be to be in that
00:58:46
industry you've got to be tough and I
00:58:49
think that I think that in in two ways
00:58:52
it made me tough it made me I believe
00:58:54
cynical enough like I was you know I had
00:58:58
this sense of of of the bigger picture
00:59:01
of of the media but it was a you know
00:59:03
probably a good level of that and it was
00:59:05
probably good that that got in there
00:59:06
right in that relatively early in that
00:59:08
in that sort of time at TV
00:59:11
andz but it kind of been like you look
00:59:13
back now and you can take you know there
00:59:15
good memories from it you know like like
00:59:17
Richie and Bruno and ID um but also like
00:59:20
bad memories as well and it must have
00:59:21
been really tough at the time like like
00:59:23
were you what did that look like were
00:59:24
you going home and crying at the end of
00:59:25
the day or I was just it was just like
00:59:28
you just you mad at the criticism or sad
00:59:31
oh you're just frustrated you know and I
00:59:34
actually think what it did was it really
00:59:37
uh really knocked knocked my confidence
00:59:40
so when you felt like you didn't have
00:59:42
support you didn't know whether what you
00:59:43
were doing was good bad like average you
00:59:48
know and you were putting yourself out
00:59:50
there as well and just I don't know I I
00:59:54
feel like one of the things that I I
00:59:58
think I talk about it in in there um
01:00:00
it's a thing like lucky I'm doing an
01:00:02
audio lucky I'm doing an audio book so I
01:00:04
remember everything I talk about but
01:00:06
actually one of the things that I think
01:00:08
that actually was
01:00:10
quite a common feeling within my time in
01:00:15
most of the media organizations that I
01:00:17
worked in is that I never quite felt
01:00:19
like I was good enough either actually
01:00:22
that is in the book yeah this um this
01:00:24
made me sad when I was reading it yeah
01:00:26
yeah this is Paige and um CU I know you
01:00:28
pretty well but um yeah I suppose I've
01:00:30
never I don't know CU we're going out on
01:00:32
runs I've never SE I've never seen that
01:00:34
vulnerable side of you that's the bit I
01:00:37
highlighted um my confidence had been
01:00:39
knocked massively for for my whole
01:00:41
career I had this lingering toxic
01:00:43
feeling that I was not anyone's favorite
01:00:45
yeah it's [ __ ] heartbreaking yeah
01:00:47
it's sad um anyone's favorite believing
01:00:50
that people liked me enough but no one
01:00:52
really thinks I'm the best of the best
01:00:54
it left me feeling so vulnerable like
01:00:56
any gig could be taken away at any
01:00:57
moment my insecurities are at odds with
01:00:59
the Public Image that I project the
01:01:01
truth is I often haven't I often haven't
01:01:03
felt that confident myself you see other
01:01:06
people getting the opportunities you've
01:01:07
missed out on and it's hard not to feel
01:01:09
um like something about you isn't good
01:01:11
enough yeah it's bloody sad and I I
01:01:15
think it's real honest though
01:01:18
yeah yeah how do you feel hearing that
01:01:20
bad well I I I I I can feel it I I can
01:01:25
feel it
01:01:26
because I and and let me be really
01:01:29
really clear I like I have loved all my
01:01:32
jobs um and I like I've my my memories
01:01:38
are you know I always go to positives as
01:01:41
well but when you're actually like
01:01:43
digging into your emotions and and I
01:01:46
think sometimes when you're you know
01:01:48
when I'm out on this solo path and
01:01:51
you're trying to I guess reason with
01:01:55
yourself or or like ask yourself why do
01:01:58
you feel this way or why do you always
01:02:00
think you have to do this and then do
01:02:01
that or or be the best at this or why
01:02:04
are you worried about what other people
01:02:05
are thinking and I think it comes back
01:02:07
to that I think it comes back to
01:02:11
um there being always that competitive
01:02:14
person in me
01:02:17
but particularly in
01:02:21
my TV career I always felt like because
01:02:26
and I I say this in a way that's I'm not
01:02:30
just your I'm not your normal and I
01:02:34
that's a bad way to describe this but
01:02:36
like I'm not safe I'm not nice I'm not
01:02:43
skinny I'm not this and so I'm not like
01:02:47
I'm bit rough around the edges you know
01:02:50
bit vulgar but but but you know but all
01:02:53
these all these things that you weren't
01:02:57
really well none of the none of the main
01:03:00
people at the time were allowed to be
01:03:02
there yeah I think more so with women as
01:03:04
well the top guys we'll get to Paul
01:03:06
Holmes but yeah polarizing same as Henry
01:03:09
hosking um in terms of like polarizing
01:03:12
women here the dupy Allen's probably one
01:03:14
of the only one of the few you can sort
01:03:15
of think of really it just wasn't it
01:03:18
wasn't a woman in the media's place you
01:03:20
you're supposed to like be pretty yeah
01:03:22
smile be a good girl be the nice well
01:03:25
was the like for so many it it was being
01:03:28
the nice I mean being the the Glad what
01:03:31
is it bad mad happy and glad so bad mad
01:03:36
is the guy you know like the the the
01:03:38
villain often where you know you don't
01:03:40
want the villainous woman oh my God but
01:03:43
I but I I think that um that is that is
01:03:47
also um you know you have you have times
01:03:52
where you feel like [ __ ] because people
01:03:55
have made you feel like [ __ ] and there
01:03:58
is an element of toxicity to those
01:04:02
workplaces
01:04:03
whereby and I I can't speak for it now
01:04:07
but you were in a job that everyone
01:04:11
wanted and so you should be grateful to
01:04:14
be here you are lucky anyone would want
01:04:17
your you know there are journalists
01:04:18
lining up for these jobs so buckle up
01:04:21
and you know do your job and do your
01:04:24
best and and and
01:04:27
I I sometimes I sometimes liken a
01:04:31
relationship a a a job in the media is
01:04:34
sometimes a bit like a it can be quite a
01:04:38
um like quite a toxic relationship that
01:04:42
when you're in the thick of it you don't
01:04:44
really see it but when you're out of it
01:04:47
and away from it that's when you see it
01:04:49
and I had a lot of toxic relationships
01:04:52
in in in my job which which led me to
01:04:55
never think that I was the best to never
01:04:57
think that I was quite good enough
01:04:59
because because people made you feel
01:05:01
that way that doesn't just come out of
01:05:03
nothing um and so I hope I hope that
01:05:06
some of that has changed I don't think
01:05:08
it has necessarily but I I think that
01:05:11
there is a lot of there's a lot of bad
01:05:13
behavior from people that are supposed
01:05:15
to be nurturing people and and teaching
01:05:17
people um and looking out for them I I I
01:05:21
don't like that side of it so I've never
01:05:23
I I I haven't talked about it as much
01:05:25
like this so openly before but it it it
01:05:29
hurts me when when I think about those
01:05:34
times and it hurts me to think that
01:05:37
there are people still being treated
01:05:38
like [ __ ] in their jobs um cuz that's we
01:05:42
should be past that well all I'm basing
01:05:45
this on is um JJ who recently finished
01:05:48
um a 30-year career and um that's how it
01:05:52
has been for her um and her recent
01:05:55
experience
01:05:56
kind of like um you know you need us we
01:05:58
don't need you yeah or you here's the
01:06:01
door if you're not
01:06:02
happy and you're you're you're you're
01:06:06
actually and and and and that will be
01:06:09
drilled into you that we have made you
01:06:13
we have made you because without this
01:06:16
big square box or this speaker where
01:06:19
would you be so there's there's almost
01:06:22
no like hey you're really talented we're
01:06:25
grateful to have you and and you're
01:06:27
helping us make this this product you're
01:06:29
just you're used for the betterment of
01:06:31
something else um yeah I don't think
01:06:34
anyone gets out gets out the other side
01:06:36
with um a really healthy self-esteem
01:06:39
yeah it takes ages takes ages to build
01:06:41
it back up um but look I I want to make
01:06:44
it yeah like it it it was there were
01:06:47
times it was really really hard but also
01:06:49
[ __ ] I had a good time and I can tell
01:06:51
you though as well hand on heart the
01:06:54
reason that you get through all of that
01:06:56
like the reason that you can you can
01:07:00
um like dust yourself off and go back
01:07:03
the next day is the thrill of the job
01:07:06
and the people you work with so up here
01:07:09
might be terrible but around you is the
01:07:12
best damn family you could possibly have
01:07:15
like everyone is in the trenches with
01:07:17
you in those in those jobs and and you
01:07:19
can use that sound cuz you've been in
01:07:21
the trenches yeah and so you just like
01:07:23
you are you know whether it's the you
01:07:25
know you're you you've been working far
01:07:27
too many hours than you should and
01:07:29
you're at the toor warehouse buying a
01:07:32
pair of undies and and um and a of pants
01:07:36
because I had to go down to do a
01:07:38
breaking news story and I'm like holding
01:07:40
up this giant P of undies to the
01:07:42
cameraman Jason Hull like just to
01:07:44
embarrass I'm like Jason should I get
01:07:45
these ones you know he's like oh my God
01:07:47
you know there's just these like little
01:07:49
pockets of just your camaraderie is is
01:07:52
just so what keeps you there just the
01:07:55
people you work with yeah cuz it's um
01:07:58
it's notoriously poor pay uh for most
01:08:01
people most people in radio like if
01:08:03
you're stick around long enough and
01:08:04
you're persistent and successful the
01:08:05
money gets insanely good but for most
01:08:08
people it's bad but it's like what
01:08:11
attracts those people to the industry
01:08:12
this is largely off here roles I'm
01:08:14
talking about is is that fun environment
01:08:16
that you're talking about yeah and I
01:08:17
think um you know it's been really it's
01:08:21
been really hard as well as as someone
01:08:23
that still is is in the media indry but
01:08:25
kind of in a different way and and
01:08:28
knowing knowing how good the people are
01:08:32
in in those jobs and and you know we've
01:08:34
lost some some amazing people have lost
01:08:38
jobs this year last year but like like
01:08:40
this year's been horrific in terms of
01:08:43
news Hub and fairgo and Sunday and and
01:08:47
there's there's to be more and and I and
01:08:50
what I what I hate um again like because
01:08:55
I'm so so grateful for all of those jobs
01:08:57
they were all amazing jobs what I'm sing
01:09:00
by as well is the
01:09:03
um is the is the change in relationship
01:09:06
between the media and the public that
01:09:08
really saddens me and I think obviously
01:09:11
that very much started to unravel pretty
01:09:13
quickly during Co and so so I I I look
01:09:17
at it and go [ __ ] you know we we are
01:09:20
losing so many good journalism
01:09:23
journalists we are losing so so much
01:09:26
important
01:09:27
content but that so that saddens me but
01:09:30
on the other side as well what saddens
01:09:31
me even more is that the the
01:09:34
relationship with the public has never
01:09:36
been as bad the trust you made yeah and
01:09:38
it just I hate that and I'm really
01:09:42
worried about that for the future I'm
01:09:46
worried about um the fourth of State the
01:09:49
erosion of the fourth estate but also
01:09:52
that just people don't trust the media
01:09:55
anymore I think it's really worrying
01:09:59
because with the rise of social media
01:10:01
and Ai and things like that who the
01:10:03
[ __ ] going to know what's real and
01:10:05
what's not anymore and and yes I'm not
01:10:07
saying that like when I say the media
01:10:09
gosh that's you know but there there's
01:10:12
so much there's so much problematic
01:10:13
there is so much problematic
01:10:16
um wi with with with the media um and
01:10:21
sometimes the media pisses me off
01:10:22
because I'm like oh gosh you wonder why
01:10:24
people don't trust you but but but
01:10:27
ultimately I go back to all those people
01:10:31
that work in there they all want good
01:10:33
things for the P they all just want to
01:10:37
do good things by the public otherwise
01:10:39
they wouldn't be there yeah
01:10:41
so yeah so it's it's sad and it's
01:10:44
worrying and so um I don't know I don't
01:10:47
have the answers to that that's just me
01:10:49
just throwing out a a grim a grim
01:10:52
reality no nobody does but it's it's
01:10:54
just Evol so quickly and but it will
01:10:57
reshape itself and reincarnate into
01:10:59
something different but nobody knows how
01:11:01
quite how that's going to look I guess
01:11:02
yeah I think you're right I think you're
01:11:03
right I think that we're in a point at
01:11:05
the moment aren't we where it's like
01:11:07
there's just an oversaturation of
01:11:09
everything everyone's angry at the
01:11:12
everyone's angry and you
01:11:15
know the the level of distrust is huge
01:11:19
but maybe it will sort itself out you
01:11:22
know but what all these people um like
01:11:25
at newshub and TV instead of been going
01:11:27
through with these mess redundancies um
01:11:30
I suppose the the plus side of that if
01:11:32
there is any is they all had each other
01:11:34
so you could see an image of Patty go
01:11:37
and Mike McRoberts and Samantha Hayes
01:11:39
and 100 of their colleagues all leaving
01:11:41
the TV3 building and walking to the pub
01:11:43
around the corner when this happened to
01:11:45
you in February 2020 right at the
01:11:48
beginning of the just before the
01:11:49
pandemic kicked off you were you were on
01:11:52
your [ __ ] own it was you and you and
01:11:54
your co-host Dave yeah um yes
01:11:57
unceremoniously sacked after a couple of
01:11:59
years that is is that the pet of
01:12:02
dispear was that the pet dispair do you
01:12:04
know in in the
01:12:06
initially it was just such a shock that
01:12:10
I think the first sort of week or two it
01:12:13
was kind of like it was so out of the
01:12:16
blue that it was almost comical it was
01:12:18
like God okay but the the pit of despair
01:12:22
actually came when cuz at that time even
01:12:27
though there had been some Co cases and
01:12:29
stuff overseas no one none no one had
01:12:31
any idea what was coming it wasn't until
01:12:35
it was became apparent that like I was
01:12:37
also supposed to be on Dancing With the
01:12:38
Stars that year um so I was like oh it's
01:12:41
all good like okay that's fine I'm going
01:12:45
to lose my job but I'm still going to go
01:12:46
and get to do Dancing with the Stars and
01:12:48
then then of course you know like then
01:12:51
we go into lockdown and things and then
01:12:54
you just see in those first couple of
01:12:56
weeks of lockdown like a whole bunch of
01:12:58
like I'm pretty sure radio sport got
01:13:00
guested all the wonderful journals that
01:13:02
like bow got gased and it was like holy
01:13:05
[ __ ] you know there was pay freezes or
01:13:07
pay cuts and everything and I was like
01:13:09
there is no way there's no way I'm going
01:13:13
to get a job anywhere there'll be no
01:13:15
jobs to get so probably and then dancing
01:13:17
got canned and I was like Wicked what
01:13:20
the [ __ ] am I going to do um you know so
01:13:24
that was probably that was that was why
01:13:26
I bought 11 bottles of gin for lockdown
01:13:28
why do you go a dozen 11's a really
01:13:30
random number no I think I no truth be
01:13:33
told we got six I ran
01:13:37
out and then we managed to figure out
01:13:39
there was a person doing booze delivery
01:13:41
so it was like 2 two one yeah um yeah
01:13:45
the amazing thing about that that awful
01:13:47
thing to go through and the timing
01:13:48
couldn't have been any worse but
01:13:49
redundancy like that feels really
01:13:50
personal even though it's not so yeah
01:13:52
you were doing the hson Christ Church um
01:13:55
they I was working with John on Ben at
01:13:57
the edge and the hits had like poached
01:13:59
them over um rumor has it in the
01:14:01
industry they were paying them like a a
01:14:03
lot of money so they thought we need to
01:14:05
like get them on as much markets as
01:14:06
possible so they act some of the local
01:14:07
shows so you were just like um Cog and a
01:14:10
will yeah collateral damage whatever you
01:14:13
want to whatever you want to call it so
01:14:14
it's nothing personal but it's hard not
01:14:16
to take it personally it's funny you say
01:14:17
that though that was Allison Moore said
01:14:19
that to me straight away she was sort of
01:14:22
my um she's been made she's had a fair
01:14:25
share of redundancies in in pretty
01:14:27
public ones too she was like the you you
01:14:29
have to nip that in the bud like you
01:14:31
cannot take it personally it is not
01:14:33
personal so I I think that was I I think
01:14:37
I did that but again that played that
01:14:40
part and just being like and then I you
01:14:43
know it's not like they fought for me
01:14:45
for anything else it's not like anyone
01:14:47
else went hey we've got a job for you
01:14:50
Brody you know there's none of that yeah
01:14:53
which goes back to that um that the book
01:14:56
feel like you're anyone's favorite or
01:14:57
anyone's like going into B for you and
01:14:59
that's taken that has taken ages
01:15:04
to get over you know like even in that
01:15:08
first year of you know you miss out on
01:15:10
things or you're not you know you're
01:15:12
you're trying to like it's great cuz
01:15:15
you've you know I got to the point where
01:15:16
it's like right you now have the
01:15:18
opportunity to build up your brand build
01:15:22
up yourself on your terms which is
01:15:26
awesome right that is so fantastic but
01:15:30
with that comes like you know you you
01:15:33
see opportunities that you want but you
01:15:36
weren't even asked or you didn't even
01:15:37
get to audition or you didn't you know
01:15:39
you weren't anything and and and it's
01:15:42
hard not to think I'm I am well look I'm
01:15:45
I'm down in Christ Church no one no one
01:15:48
gives a [ __ ] I mean it's so I mean it's
01:15:49
so well as me but you you're in such an
01:15:52
an industry that it is driven by ego and
01:15:55
is driven by how relevant you are it's
01:15:57
it's you know it is all these things
01:16:00
that you you're that you that keep you
01:16:02
going to work every day so when you
01:16:04
think that no one wants you you're like
01:16:06
right what do I need to do now you know
01:16:08
you start to think about those backup
01:16:10
careers which which is absolutely also
01:16:15
100% fine like I've always said to
01:16:18
myself what would you like to do if
01:16:20
you're no longer relevant or no one
01:16:22
gives a [ __ ] about what you've got to
01:16:23
say anymore or you know you just the
01:16:25
jobs dry up like you have to you have to
01:16:27
be realistic that that that is a thing
01:16:30
and that's okay too like I'm okay with
01:16:32
that yeah but if you've got like 10 15
01:16:34
years however many years invested in
01:16:36
this this thing that's where your skill
01:16:37
set is and your value is it is where
01:16:39
your skill set and your value is but
01:16:41
ultimately some sometimes someone might
01:16:42
just say some the the PE I don't know
01:16:45
the wonderful people that listen to my
01:16:47
podcasts and come and hear me speak or
01:16:50
you know Watch the watch the shows that
01:16:52
I'm going to be on and whatnot might
01:16:53
just go she had nothing
01:16:55
you've always got a you always have a
01:16:57
shelf life I think but you but in saying
01:17:00
that you will do everything in your
01:17:03
power
01:17:04
to to you know to extend that shelf life
01:17:08
so that you're like a you know what is
01:17:10
it non
01:17:11
perishable oh that's good you're you
01:17:14
know you want to be a non-p perishable
01:17:16
no one wants to be an avocado no no no
01:17:18
one wants to be an avocado no yeah no
01:17:20
one wants to be a carrot that goes just
01:17:22
shriveled in the fridge you know you
01:17:24
want a can of spaghetti if you you want
01:17:26
to be a bloody tin of tomatoes or or a
01:17:30
bag of bloody spiral
01:17:32
pasta so okay so February 2020 um you
01:17:36
made redundant uh July 15
01:17:40
2020 what's that bro Kane media limited
01:17:43
how good how good yeah so so um I
01:17:46
suppose you sort of accidentally fall
01:17:47
into this it sounds like um you're at
01:17:49
home in lockdown so you and your mom
01:17:50
start doing like live Facebook
01:17:53
interviews or live Instagram interviews
01:17:54
yeah yeah the Jo bro show The JO bro
01:17:57
show and yeah you have everyone's locked
01:17:59
down so you managed to get some good
01:18:00
people on Lisa carington Joseph Parker
01:18:03
so on and so forth and then did that
01:18:05
give you the idea to launch kiwi y as a
01:18:07
podcast so we so I me and Caitlyn and
01:18:11
Gracie had been doing girls on top when
01:18:15
when we were working at nzme and then
01:18:17
when I got made redundant we stepped
01:18:20
away and relaunched and rebranded to the
01:18:25
girls
01:18:26
uninterrupted and so that was so we so
01:18:29
we that we fired that up must have only
01:18:31
had a month downtime between being you
01:18:33
know being girls on top inz me and the
01:18:35
girls uninterrupted well do do you want
01:18:37
to talk you don't talk about the name
01:18:38
change in the book do I not I don't do
01:18:40
you don't you maybe I skip that oh but
01:18:43
did did um that Enz me wanted to keep
01:18:45
the name or look I think that one we'll
01:18:47
just leave in the documents that were
01:18:51
signed okay but yeah okay you you
01:18:54
couldn't take the we rebranded we
01:18:56
renamed the podcast started a fresh and
01:18:58
it's been um it's it's incredibly
01:19:00
successful like you've got a mass of
01:19:01
following you you did Live Events last
01:19:03
year and you sell these things out you
01:19:04
guys have done a [ __ ] great job thank
01:19:06
you that's incredible so so that's your
01:19:08
first podcast then you and then you
01:19:09
launch your second one kiwi and that was
01:19:11
um my very dear friend Braden had said
01:19:14
to me because it was like what I've got
01:19:16
a bit of time what are we doing what is
01:19:18
if we start broe media what the [ __ ]
01:19:20
does that mean like and so in the early
01:19:22
days it was like well like he had said
01:19:24
to me
01:19:25
you are a really good
01:19:27
interviewer and and girls uninterrupted
01:19:30
is one particular style of you but you
01:19:33
should do something that showcases your
01:19:34
interviewing skills and your rapport
01:19:36
with people thus kiwi Yan was born um
01:19:40
and yeah of course in those first like
01:19:43
that was all almost all were were via
01:19:46
zoom and and things like that but that
01:19:49
was how that one got off the ground and
01:19:51
then you're like well I've got two
01:19:52
podcasts now so that's clearly a podcast
01:19:54
Network work and then um it was just I
01:19:58
was just trying all sorts of things out
01:19:59
like you know um I remember my friend
01:20:03
Laura Hayden accidentally bought a bar
01:20:05
leaner on trade me but Click by now but
01:20:09
it was in Christ Church so we were just
01:20:11
like okay and this was must have been
01:20:14
when we were in level two and I was like
01:20:15
let's try and Pitch out this travel
01:20:17
story like let's get your barer up to
01:20:20
Oakland you know and let's talk to all
01:20:23
the tourah operators and let's make all
01:20:25
this cool content cuz we were trying to
01:20:27
like just figure out ways for me to try
01:20:30
and show my showcase myself and my
01:20:33
skills without anything behind me to to
01:20:36
elevate that just you all I you know you
01:20:39
only had your your your your social
01:20:42
media platforms right so yeah so we were
01:20:45
doing things like that so we managed to
01:20:46
like convince you know we got up the
01:20:48
country at a van that we got sign
01:20:49
written and we went up the country and
01:20:51
we filmed it all and put it all up and
01:20:54
it it was very cool so we were just
01:20:56
trialing all these things um but the but
01:20:58
yeah the podcasts were just sort of
01:21:00
hissing along um but it was
01:21:03
all me like I was doing the everything
01:21:07
in the in the podcast so recording
01:21:10
editing
01:21:11
Distributing um yeah all of the all of
01:21:15
the tasks all of the all of the tasks
01:21:17
it's and it's a lot to take on uh like
01:21:20
learning learning to buy a roadcast a
01:21:22
pro which is the thing I've got here and
01:21:25
what gear to buy when when I when I
01:21:27
thought about doing a podcast um a
01:21:28
mutual friend of ours Wendy Petri had
01:21:30
just started doing one um so I sent her
01:21:32
a DM saying oh I see you got a podcast
01:21:34
like um yeah how did you know what to do
01:21:36
and so she sent me she said I didn't
01:21:39
know so I asked bro so then she sent me
01:21:42
like the the flow chart or whatever from
01:21:44
you yeah yeah yeah um yeah it's it's a
01:21:47
lot so now if anyone else ask me I
01:21:49
always try and help them if I can
01:21:51
because you know yeah and but I mean you
01:21:54
fig that out on your own though like you
01:21:55
you realize if you if you're out there
01:21:57
and you're independent no one's coming
01:21:58
to help you you need to make [ __ ] happen
01:22:00
Yeah we actually we actually I do need
01:22:02
to credit we have these wonderful uh the
01:22:04
wonderful girls from the raw Collective
01:22:06
helped us um in those early days of the
01:22:10
girls un interrupted and that but and so
01:22:13
so full credit to to them for helping us
01:22:15
CU there was lots of stuff that we
01:22:16
didn't know but you luckily managed to
01:22:18
get the road Caster before lockdown set
01:22:21
all of that up and and then I mean I you
01:22:23
know I had I'd been able to edit and
01:22:25
stuff and radio and my time in radio and
01:22:28
that but it's just all the like there's
01:22:31
so much to it um but also I from day one
01:22:35
I I made sure that I made my life easy
01:22:37
for myself I was like I was live on the
01:22:40
radio live on the television that's as
01:22:42
live I don't want to overedit it I don't
01:22:44
want to overproduce so the the products
01:22:47
that I still put out it almost hardly
01:22:48
edited at all just for that very reason
01:22:51
that it was like well the more editing
01:22:52
it's going to be on me but so yeah like
01:22:55
you know we're in a good place now with
01:22:56
podcasting like it's never been a bigger
01:22:59
or sexier medium than what it is now but
01:23:01
when you started in February 2020 doing
01:23:04
kiwis you I I'm guessing for you it was
01:23:07
like a a branding exercise to keep your
01:23:09
name out there rather than thinking I'm
01:23:11
going to make so much money by
01:23:12
sponsoring this it's funny he because I
01:23:15
like if you think about it I'm pretty
01:23:16
sure podcast are like 20 like podcasts
01:23:18
have been around for 20 years so when
01:23:20
people say New Media I'm like that's not
01:23:22
new they have been around for a long
01:23:24
time but B Us in New Zealand sometimes
01:23:26
we're a bit slow to the uptake right but
01:23:29
um I think now I always saw an
01:23:32
opportunity there and I love long form
01:23:36
but yeah I guess in the immediate in the
01:23:39
immediate um decision-making process it
01:23:41
was like showcasing my talent and skills
01:23:44
in an outward manner so that someone
01:23:47
somewhere would hire me for whatever it
01:23:49
might be like with and you know like
01:23:51
whether someone wanted me to help them
01:23:53
with their podcast or host their podcast
01:23:56
or like so it was I was trying to just
01:23:58
everything that I was trying to do in
01:24:00
the podcast space or filming stuff or
01:24:03
Ming was like trying to be like hey guys
01:24:05
I'm here and I'm available still got it
01:24:08
some ZB would go oh Bry Kane she does a
01:24:11
good interview that well I mean yeah
01:24:15
yeah no no but like he be I don't know
01:24:22
um I don't think they' I don't think I'd
01:24:23
ever be the fing for Mike hosing put it
01:24:25
that way you know like but no no I
01:24:29
think I I guess to a degree there
01:24:31
there's an element of you wanting to
01:24:33
show that yes you are out there doing
01:24:35
that in in a different way but
01:24:37
ultimately it was it was it wasn't it
01:24:40
wasn't like I and I actually think I did
01:24:41
actually H up ZB at one point I was
01:24:44
looking for freelancing stuff and that
01:24:45
so I shouldn't laugh um but no you know
01:24:48
no one wanted you in those first couple
01:24:51
of years like no I'd had no no work from
01:24:55
any um from any of the big players and
01:24:59
so that again that's still a bit of a
01:25:01
knock to your confidence cuz you're like
01:25:02
[ __ ] I actually and this is you know you
01:25:04
actually do you start to think oh maybe
01:25:07
I am like even today like I I like to
01:25:11
think that I I think you have to be
01:25:12
aware of your talents right because you
01:25:15
need to focus on utilizing those but you
01:25:19
sometimes you're like [ __ ] maybe I'm not
01:25:21
maybe I'm not maybe maybe yeah maybe I'm
01:25:23
not think I am not on the money here but
01:25:27
so that would that would happen but um
01:25:30
but yeah I don't know where we were
01:25:31
going where I was going with that but um
01:25:35
it was all just trying [ __ ] out man like
01:25:37
it was like does this work n well I'll
01:25:40
do this I'll do this um and you know and
01:25:42
when we went and filmed Brody's roie
01:25:44
with Barry the barer and Laura the
01:25:47
Explorer you know I you know I'm going
01:25:49
right this is going to lead to something
01:25:50
someone's tourism New Zealand's going to
01:25:51
pick this up look at this great content
01:25:54
Tumbleweed you know or right I'm I've
01:25:57
said yes to this so maybe it will lead
01:25:59
to something else and so but you just
01:26:01
had to just like keep going in all these
01:26:04
different ways and maybe it'll lead to
01:26:07
something and maybe it won't but but but
01:26:09
even if it doesn't you you're creating
01:26:11
this um this this brand and this company
01:26:14
and you must look back now having done
01:26:15
it um all on your own and be [ __ ]
01:26:18
proud of it you know what I mean if if
01:26:20
if you're at a radio station and you
01:26:22
know you have a good survey there's
01:26:23
other things that go into it they can
01:26:25
credit it on the promotions or the music
01:26:27
cycle or whatever it happens to be but
01:26:30
you have done all this and I think that
01:26:32
that comes back to that
01:26:35
um opening yourself up to allowing
01:26:38
yourself to be proud
01:26:40
because in these up until yeah the end
01:26:43
of last year I don't think I'd done that
01:26:46
anywhere near enough I think you're just
01:26:47
like so driven by what you perceive
01:26:52
success to be and what you think you
01:26:55
need to be doing to get that success
01:26:58
that you aren't stopping and being proud
01:27:00
of yourself and there's so many moments
01:27:03
in those in those first three years that
01:27:05
I should have been and even when I look
01:27:07
at it now it's like you decided to go
01:27:09
out on your own in the middle of
01:27:12
lockdown you know in a and you had to
01:27:15
ride out um two years you know two years
01:27:19
of of it being very similar in nature um
01:27:23
and and you know and in a very changing
01:27:25
media landscape and an an economic
01:27:28
economic landscape and all of that um
01:27:32
that you did that and then you move
01:27:33
cities and then you did eventually go on
01:27:35
Dancing With the Stars and then you know
01:27:37
and and so you just sometimes I think
01:27:40
I'm not patient enough actually probably
01:27:42
you know you want it all now and
01:27:44
actually it's like just wait you know
01:27:47
it's all going to happen um it's hard at
01:27:50
the time and I feel like in the
01:27:51
independence Journey I'm like two years
01:27:54
years behind you so it's been
01:27:55
interesting picking your brains CU I
01:27:57
feel like you well you know because of
01:27:59
when you started and when I started
01:28:00
you're always going to be two years
01:28:01
ahead of me um so it's inspiring seeing
01:28:03
how how good things are going for you
01:28:05
but you do have to be patient he yeah
01:28:08
yeah yeah I I
01:28:09
think I I don't know I I I wonder
01:28:12
whether now there's you know with with
01:28:16
um Tik Tok social media access to um to
01:28:23
to to the messes to the audience the
01:28:26
masses but you know like a bigger bigger
01:28:28
audience is such an easier thing now
01:28:31
that I feel like generally The Thirst
01:28:35
for that has has grown massively and I I
01:28:40
don't necessarily think that that's that
01:28:43
healthy um like you know we always used
01:28:47
to how did how did you find out about
01:28:49
the best little cafe you know or um a
01:28:53
really good hairdresser or word of mouth
01:28:55
and I still think I'm a little bit old
01:28:57
school in and thinking that and and I
01:29:02
you couldn't I don't think you should
01:29:03
think like this because it wouldn't be
01:29:05
smart to in terms of a business sense
01:29:08
but if you've got if you've got
01:29:10
something good and that is worthy and
01:29:13
and in any in anything if it's good if
01:29:17
you put in the effort people will come
01:29:21
it just it it is it's how much time have
01:29:23
you got how how how finan like how
01:29:26
financially backed are you or or
01:29:28
whatever and and so the people will come
01:29:32
the the reputation will help if you're
01:29:36
doing the thing right but I think now we
01:29:38
all go I could get well he's they're
01:29:41
getting a million views or that's got x
01:29:43
amount of listeners or that's number one
01:29:46
on the charts or [ __ ] you know and so
01:29:48
one of my other favorite sayings is
01:29:50
comparison is the thief of joy and so if
01:29:53
you're constantly worrying about what
01:29:54
everyone else is doing you're not
01:29:56
worrying about what you're doing and so
01:29:58
I've made massive Headway with that this
01:30:00
year of not worrying about um I mean you
01:30:04
you you need to be aware right you need
01:30:06
to be aware of of what people around you
01:30:08
are doing but not so much comparing
01:30:10
yourself self to to what others are
01:30:12
doing so it's that balance of being like
01:30:16
okay we're in New Zealand you might not
01:30:18
have X amount of listeners but you've
01:30:20
got this amount of listeners and they
01:30:21
listen every single week every single
01:30:25
week there is this beautiful community
01:30:28
that listen to what you've got to say
01:30:30
that is amazing and so actually stopping
01:30:33
and being grateful for that being
01:30:36
grateful for what you've done to to earn
01:30:39
this beautiful following a beautiful
01:30:42
Community um instead of going always
01:30:46
looking up you know always looking at
01:30:48
what else some someone else has so
01:30:50
that's been a massive learning this year
01:30:52
so what would your advice me to um
01:30:54
anyone that's thinking about starting a
01:30:55
podcast especially given how crowded the
01:30:58
market seems to be now well put it this
01:30:59
way if you're a man and you think you've
01:31:01
got something to say about sports at the
01:31:02
moment I I say good luck to you I say
01:31:06
it's if you're a man in general it's
01:31:07
getting crowded in there boys getting
01:31:10
crowded in there it's a sweaty room I I
01:31:13
love that about the the podcasting
01:31:14
Market though it's like um yeah anyone
01:31:16
can go to rock shop and buy a guitar it
01:31:18
doesn't mean you're going to be [ __ ]
01:31:19
Ed
01:31:20
cheering yeah and and and yeah and that
01:31:23
you're right
01:31:24
Lu you're actually right it's what I
01:31:26
love that's that's the that is what is
01:31:28
brilliant about it isn't it it's like
01:31:30
but it's also what's wrong with it it's
01:31:32
like everyone can get a microphone
01:31:35
Wicked on the downside though everyone
01:31:37
can get a microphone Wicked no but you
01:31:40
know what I mean like I I say that I say
01:31:43
that tongue and cheek but you know there
01:31:46
there are there
01:31:47
are you're right though Dom you if you
01:31:50
want to give something a crack like
01:31:53
anything though
01:31:54
if you want to give something a crack
01:31:55
and you're really passionate about it
01:31:57
[ __ ] go man like absolutely do it um
01:32:02
you will not regret it like you'll never
01:32:04
regret trying something that you want to
01:32:06
do um so that that is absolutely what
01:32:09
would my advice would be if You' if
01:32:11
you've got the love if you feel like
01:32:13
you've got something to say if you you
01:32:16
know if you can finded a little spot on
01:32:18
the market that might not be there do it
01:32:21
cuz you'll never regret even if it goes
01:32:23
wrong
01:32:24
or even if it doesn't work out um you
01:32:27
gave it a crack just like anything I
01:32:29
would say I love that jeez see look it's
01:32:33
been an hour 32 already this this is how
01:32:35
it happens F that's fine what's
01:32:38
happening out there can you guys start
01:32:40
the meeting without
01:32:45
me okay all good all good oh I'm I'm
01:32:49
sounding important like I've got another
01:32:50
meeting you are sounding important like
01:32:52
you've got another meeting
01:32:54
get the meeting wait no like CEO's still
01:32:56
in here I'm um yeah I'm um I'm in your
01:33:00
I'm in your slip stream I'm setting up
01:33:01
um JJ and I are sitting a company called
01:33:03
pod lab uh so we've got a meeting for
01:33:05
that oh my God exciting yeah it is
01:33:07
exciting but it's terrifying as well it
01:33:09
is terrifying it is terrifying but I
01:33:12
always come back to
01:33:15
um the the privilege and the honor and
01:33:18
the and and how lucky we are to be able
01:33:21
to make these decisions and and I I
01:33:24
always I I like if I get all in my head
01:33:26
or I'm flapping about stressed about
01:33:30
something or you know being dramatic or
01:33:34
oh I always remind myself of that I'm
01:33:36
like you are so lucky you are so lucky
01:33:41
that you had those parents that you had
01:33:42
that upbringing that you had that love
01:33:45
and care and that you still have that
01:33:47
now and you have amazing people in your
01:33:50
life that support you that will have
01:33:52
your back no matter what
01:33:54
that is something that cannot be taken
01:33:57
for granted so while I have spoken about
01:34:01
you know what what in my in in my
01:34:04
experience has been tough I am acutely
01:34:07
aware that my life and and I and I hope
01:34:11
that this is portrayed in the book that
01:34:13
it is a life well- lived because I've
01:34:16
been given the opportunity to and I will
01:34:18
never take that for granted yeah and
01:34:21
just if you if you work hard even if if
01:34:23
you're not necessarily the most talented
01:34:25
I hope that's not a mean thing to say I
01:34:26
think I'm speaking about myself as much
01:34:28
as you if you work hard and you're
01:34:30
resilient um just how much you can
01:34:32
achieve and we got to remind ourselves
01:34:34
that not we don't all we don't fit in a
01:34:38
mold but no does not does the world like
01:34:41
so there's a there's enough there's
01:34:43
enough space out there for us there's
01:34:46
enough space
01:34:48
for more than one female presenter on a
01:34:51
radio show there's space for all of us
01:34:56
and I think that that was not what I
01:35:00
grew up with in my in the early days of
01:35:02
my career there wasn't space for all of
01:35:05
you you know but there is space you just
01:35:08
got to find it and just really hustle in
01:35:11
there you know
01:35:12
so you you know I I talk about poos a
01:35:16
lot that's not going to be for some for
01:35:18
some people I'm I'm I'm not going to be
01:35:22
what Everyone likes I'm there are people
01:35:24
that will not have made it this far
01:35:26
there are people that are just not like
01:35:28
me I am completely at peace with that
01:35:31
cuz I don't like everyone so I can't
01:35:33
expect everyone to like me but the the
01:35:35
people that are still listening are the
01:35:37
some of the people that will read your
01:35:38
book and um yeah you are very much an
01:35:40
open book and um yeah you talk in quite
01:35:44
a bit of depth about uh your 2010
01:35:48
abortion um which is something you
01:35:50
talked about publicly a couple of years
01:35:51
ago as well you wrote like an open an
01:35:53
open in peace you mentioned earlier on
01:35:55
that your mom had an abortion well early
01:35:56
on um also to do with this when you tell
01:36:00
your dad like Dad you're not going to
01:36:01
like this but you didn't tell him at the
01:36:02
time but you tell him when the piece was
01:36:04
about to come out yeah [ __ ] his reaction
01:36:06
was amazing oh my God I know and that
01:36:08
that goes back to what I was saying
01:36:09
about him earlier you know um he is yeah
01:36:13
he he's an amazing supporter obviously
01:36:17
of mine um I think one of the reasons I
01:36:21
didn't tell him is
01:36:24
because of this shame that you carry
01:36:28
when you're going through that process
01:36:30
and it's a shame that sits deep within
01:36:32
you and you don't really you don't
01:36:35
want people to know why would you want
01:36:38
people to know that that something that
01:36:40
Society has told us is shameful which we
01:36:43
now know thank goodness but there's a
01:36:45
massive percentage of the global
01:36:47
population that still thinks it is but
01:36:49
we know now that it's not shameful and
01:36:53
and and unfortunately though it's
01:36:56
terrifying because people that don't
01:36:58
agree with um pro-choice often a very
01:37:03
nasty or say very horrible things to
01:37:06
people about that yeah under the under
01:37:08
the umbrella of religion right and so so
01:37:12
it's scary it it's no no one wants to be
01:37:15
called a murderer or no one wants to be
01:37:18
no one wants people
01:37:20
to just think that you're disgusting or
01:37:24
foul or you horrible human you monster
01:37:27
no one wants people to think like that
01:37:29
but but I think that um so so that whole
01:37:34
shame that that women um have carried
01:37:39
for [ __ ] however many
01:37:41
years that that makes you not want to
01:37:45
tell your dad because you're you're
01:37:48
you're embarrassed so you don't want to
01:37:50
tell you want your dad to know all the
01:37:51
good bits about you you know yeah
01:37:54
um and and at the time it it took me a
01:37:57
few days to even think that I would tell
01:37:59
Mom you know because I was embarrassed
01:38:03
and just felt like a [ __ ] now fast
01:38:08
forward 2024 we love [ __ ] we we are and
01:38:12
we Embrace and like we ride at dawn as
01:38:15
[ __ ] like you know we've the even that
01:38:17
word has been taken back give that back
01:38:19
to us give that back that's ours you
01:38:22
know um um and so when I did yeah of
01:38:26
course when it was like oh [ __ ] it's
01:38:29
going to be on the front page of the
01:38:30
herald on Sunday Jesus Christ I been you
01:38:33
know I need to tell dead um but he was
01:38:36
like I you know I I then I felt bad that
01:38:40
I hadn't told him you know but he and I
01:38:43
sort of explained that but he's like
01:38:46
good on you girl I'm proud of you why
01:38:49
why did you expect any different like
01:38:50
from what you've told me about M no no
01:38:53
as I say I don't think it's it's not
01:38:56
it's not that you're worried about how
01:38:58
they'll react it's it's what you're
01:39:00
holding on to yeah you don't want you
01:39:03
don't want to tell them because you
01:39:04
think you've done something wrong so
01:39:06
it's more on on on your own emotions
01:39:10
yeah you know so so so yeah so you don't
01:39:13
want them to judge you cuz you know up
01:39:15
until like people because that's it's
01:39:17
it's what people do people judge you
01:39:21
people have judged you for having an
01:39:22
abortion even though they don't know you
01:39:24
or they don't have anything to do with
01:39:25
you or your circumstances whatever so so
01:39:29
I think you just didn't want to bring
01:39:30
them into that yes that was 2010 um One
01:39:34
Night One Night Stand from someone you
01:39:35
met at Danny Duan after the radio War he
01:39:38
not Danny D let no it was an Irish guy
01:39:41
Australian guy no Australian guy not at
01:39:44
Denny Duan not at Denny duan's but I do
01:39:46
believe just a few bars
01:39:48
down not d i really whatever maybe foxes
01:39:52
actually okay so and actually I just did
01:39:55
I say in the book that I'd won the I'd
01:39:56
just won journalist of the year yeah you
01:39:58
do men that yeah yeah um so yeah bang on
01:40:02
Jero that night um so that must have
01:40:04
been a chaotic so yeah how old at the
01:40:06
time late 20s 2010 so 25 yeah okay so it
01:40:13
just wasn't did did you ever think about
01:40:15
keeping the no no no not not there was
01:40:19
not one moment there was not one moment
01:40:22
that that that was that that that I even
01:40:26
thought that that would be I didn't I it
01:40:29
wasn't I just knew that that was not
01:40:31
what I wanted to do at all um so but but
01:40:36
still um getting the procedure like do
01:40:38
you feel do you feel guilt at the time
01:40:40
or yeah you're you're pretty low like
01:40:42
the whole
01:40:44
um it's just you yeah it's
01:40:48
just your hatred towards
01:40:51
yourself is
01:40:54
extreme um this is my experience because
01:40:58
if you look at my
01:40:59
experience and actually and I I had a
01:41:01
one night stand but I took the emergency
01:41:04
contraception peill um 24 hours
01:41:09
later um
01:41:12
so yes I'd had unprotected sex but i'
01:41:17
what I'd thought had had taken the ne
01:41:19
the ne necessary uh measures to like
01:41:24
sort that out um there's even shame in
01:41:28
getting the emergency C oh my God just
01:41:30
shame hello there I'm just coming to let
01:41:33
you know that I've had
01:41:35
sex and I need your help yes that's
01:41:39
right does anyone else in the chemist
01:41:40
want to know I had sex last night just
01:41:43
getting the emergency pill you know like
01:41:45
yeah um but no so
01:41:49
um it's a very it's a it's a it's a grim
01:41:52
time for me and feeling like I I felt
01:41:57
like like a
01:41:58
[ __ ] and and and that was in a time when
01:42:01
that was a you know you that was a bad
01:42:03
word word to to use um I
01:42:09
felt
01:42:10
um just yuck just like embarrassed and
01:42:17
just like I'd done something
01:42:20
wrong you know not not interestingly
01:42:24
though when I say that I didn't think
01:42:26
I'd done something wrong by making my
01:42:28
decision that I did but by I felt like I
01:42:32
had [ __ ]
01:42:34
up um in life that that was you know
01:42:39
that that was something
01:42:41
that you know like I don't know what
01:42:44
would you liken it to that's that it's
01:42:46
not you've you've just done something
01:42:47
you've just done a a life thing that
01:42:49
everyone does and that's happened to
01:42:52
have happened but you feel like broken a
01:42:53
LW well [ __ ] if you don't go through
01:42:55
the process at that time you would have
01:42:57
because it was still um under the Crimes
01:42:59
Act but was it no so when I say that I
01:43:02
mean yes yes if you an abortion we we
01:43:06
only changed the abortion
01:43:08
laws um was it
01:43:11
2020 because it was still under the
01:43:13
Crimes Act unless you had you had to
01:43:15
have it signed off by two doctors by two
01:43:18
doctors who you had to tell that you
01:43:21
couldn't mentally like that you weren't
01:43:22
mentally capable so that that only
01:43:25
change relatively recently which is
01:43:27
archaic and wild um so it was such a
01:43:32
such a shameful thing and as I say isn't
01:43:35
it fascinating that we I can sit here
01:43:37
and even though I'm still mildly
01:43:39
uncomfortable cuz I know that how like
01:43:42
foul and vile people are about abortions
01:43:47
that's the only reason I'm like oh gosh
01:43:49
there'll be someone watching this and'll
01:43:50
be like you [ __ ] filthy [ __ ] um but
01:43:55
but we couldn't have talked like this
01:43:56
back then I didn't want to talk like
01:43:58
this back then I don't want anyone to
01:43:59
know
01:44:01
so the only reason I well one of the
01:44:04
reasons I decided to talk about it
01:44:06
though fast forwarding to 2020 was
01:44:09
because
01:44:10
of Ro v Wade in in America and it was
01:44:15
like okay all right we we're not doing
01:44:18
this we're not doing this we have to
01:44:20
stand up for women everywhere everywhere
01:44:25
um and so even when I when I yelled at
01:44:28
the protesters at Christ Church hospital
01:44:31
in 20 I think that might have been even
01:44:34
2020 um you know there's so many women
01:44:37
out there that have felt the same way I
01:44:40
have felt for whatever their
01:44:42
circumstances and I guess actually I've
01:44:46
I've I've talked
01:44:48
around um to actually a really simple
01:44:51
answer Dom that I've reached now
01:44:54
it's personal and it's private and it's
01:44:57
my body and it's other women's body
01:45:00
bodies and it's no one else's [ __ ]
01:45:02
business but somehow over the course of
01:45:05
history we have allowed ourselves to be
01:45:07
involved in the business of women and
01:45:09
the med and their most one of their most
01:45:12
difficult decisions that they have to
01:45:13
make and we are diving into their
01:45:16
privacy and that's disgusting not what
01:45:19
they're doing you know and so how dare
01:45:22
we have allowed this to go on for so
01:45:24
long so if people want to like now go
01:45:28
off call me the most horrific name you
01:45:31
want I couldn't give a [ __ ] this is the
01:45:33
hell Dion I will stand up for the rights
01:45:36
of women and their reproductive systems
01:45:38
and I will not I will not care about
01:45:41
what that means sharing my experience I
01:45:44
don't care what you have to say but if I
01:45:46
can make any other woman feel
01:45:47
comfortable about doing something that
01:45:49
they are entitled to do that is no one
01:45:51
else's business because it's the most
01:45:53
private personal matter themselves then
01:45:55
that's fine I will do that that was so
01:45:59
articulate oh thank you jeez the um this
01:46:02
is going to be good for the algorithm
01:46:03
the comments are going to honestly
01:46:06
nothing like an angry smelly little man
01:46:08
sitting in his angry little man that'll
01:46:11
be like are you murderous [ __ ] you know
01:46:14
like I come at me mate give it to me I
01:46:16
can't imagine the emotional uh turmoil
01:46:19
that you or any other woman goes through
01:46:20
that has has opted to G the bo so the
01:46:23
last thing you need is you know the the
01:46:26
shame of other people being placed upon
01:46:27
you you know what I mean um that's just
01:46:30
not fair I yeah it's just it's a very
01:46:34
again like ultimately it's a it's a
01:46:35
woman's decision to make it's got
01:46:38
nothing to do with anyone else and you
01:46:42
know again you know on the on the if
01:46:45
people the great news is if you don't
01:46:47
believe in abortion based on your
01:46:49
religious beliefs that's fine don't have
01:46:53
one but I'm not religious and so I don't
01:46:57
hold those same beliefs that you do if
01:47:00
you don't want to have one I'm not going
01:47:01
to judge you for that but I I don't
01:47:04
believe in God or Jesus but I would
01:47:09
never go and stand outside a church with
01:47:13
a sign deliberately to upset or bestow
01:47:19
that on on on those people who choose to
01:47:21
go and do that M um and look you know we
01:47:25
we all as I said we all have we all have
01:47:28
the hills that we're going to die on and
01:47:29
that is one of mine you know like you
01:47:31
can't you can't fight every cause you
01:47:34
can't you can't be involved in every in
01:47:37
everything but you have to decide which
01:47:39
which are the ones that you are um and
01:47:42
that is one of mine that is one of mine
01:47:45
I think that's a great one and it's well
01:47:46
articulated thanks for sharing that no
01:47:48
you're welcome yeah um man there's so
01:47:52
much to talk about with you oh okay we
01:47:53
do we'll do one more we'll talk about
01:47:55
reality TV for a little bit um so
01:47:57
Dancing with the Stars you finished you
01:47:58
finished second and Dancing with the
01:47:59
Stars yes um you look back on that on
01:48:01
that now likees does it would you have
01:48:04
liked to have win are you you super
01:48:06
proud of like finishing second a lot of
01:48:08
it's a lot of it sort of out of not even
01:48:10
about the dancing isn't it a lot of it
01:48:12
sort of well I mean you so I mean we
01:48:15
raised I think it was like 30 I raised
01:48:18
$35,000 for assistance dogs New Zealand
01:48:22
which I'm now a very proud board member
01:48:24
of um you know so the the awareness that
01:48:27
those Charities got was huge 100% like
01:48:30
all the Charities are so it means so
01:48:33
much to them because they're being
01:48:34
mentioned on National Television every
01:48:36
week so it's so cool that you and you I
01:48:40
must say though that is when you have to
01:48:42
remind yourself of why you are there um
01:48:46
when you're having a absolute meltdown
01:48:49
be like I can't do it we're not going to
01:48:51
be able to do it every day you're crying
01:48:54
every day um but yeah like n like I
01:48:58
don't I don't I don't wish I won in fact
01:49:02
a lot of people are like oh you won
01:49:04
didn't you and I'm like no you know or
01:49:07
sometimes I'm just like I don't answer
01:49:08
them I'm like well I guess so you know
01:49:11
got well I mean this is the thing I do
01:49:14
talk about this what is you know like
01:49:16
there's there's winning statistically
01:49:19
right there's you've you've won the
01:49:22
Olympics you've won a gold medal you've
01:49:24
you've won the um under 19 double ski
01:49:29
You've Won things on paper statistically
01:49:32
but I like to talk about the the greater
01:49:34
meaning of winning to to I guess us
01:49:39
everyday people you know where where
01:49:41
that statistic doesn't necessarily
01:49:42
matter so did I win that day [ __ ] yeah I
01:49:47
I got to wear the hottest little gold
01:49:50
dress teeny tiny I looked mint I got to
01:49:55
dance to my favorite musician one of my
01:49:58
favorite musicians Tina Turner I got to
01:50:01
dance to Proud Mary I got to live out a
01:50:04
dream so that is winning right like that
01:50:07
like it doesn't get much better than
01:50:08
that the whole people people still now
01:50:11
send me videos like you know like Proud
01:50:14
Mary might be playing at the
01:50:17
um I don't know poora Bay pub and so
01:50:21
someone on a Saturday night sends it and
01:50:22
they're dancing like like the dancers
01:50:25
that I did and like the dance that Tina
01:50:27
do people still send me there so to know
01:50:29
that PE that that had such a cool impact
01:50:32
on people who were following me cuz I
01:50:34
was like from day one I was like if I
01:50:36
make the final I'm dancing to Tina
01:50:37
Turner and I drove in to dance training
01:50:41
and every single morning now I'm not I'm
01:50:44
not spiritual super spiritual and I'm
01:50:46
not like um you know I don't know what I
01:50:51
think about manifesting but if there was
01:50:53
something I did manifest you know it was
01:50:55
that cuz I would listen to that song
01:50:57
every morning in the car on the way to
01:50:59
dancing like your hype song oh yeah yeah
01:51:02
yeah yeah so um but it was hard it was
01:51:05
one of the hardest things we've ever
01:51:06
done actually the whole Dancing with the
01:51:07
Stars experience yeah um J did it a few
01:51:11
years ago and there like everyone
01:51:12
everyone's um in Physio and Osteo and
01:51:15
everyone's broken it's a lot he yeah was
01:51:18
that what you mean it was hard
01:51:19
physically or uh you know what no not NE
01:51:23
no not the the physicality I was good
01:51:26
with I had just finished training for
01:51:28
the coast to coast and um so I was so
01:51:33
fit like obscenely fit so while it was
01:51:37
hard on different elements of your body
01:51:38
cuz different muscles and stuff it it
01:51:41
was actually the it was the mental
01:51:42
challenge for me to be honest and it was
01:51:46
um being so far out of your comfort zone
01:51:50
for such an extended period of time so
01:51:52
you know I often talk about this we as
01:51:54
adults you know we we we we work hard
01:51:58
you know we we're all you know we're
01:52:00
working to pay a mortgage to like you
01:52:02
know I mean let's not go into the the
01:52:04
system that we all live by which often
01:52:07
we're like why the [ __ ] are we doing all
01:52:08
us but UL ultimately like we're working
01:52:11
hard so that we can pay our mortgage so
01:52:13
that we can live in the house and you
01:52:14
know just and provide for look after my
01:52:17
M well she would hate me saying that
01:52:19
because she's very proud but you know
01:52:20
like you know you're doing all these
01:52:21
things for the greater good of [ __ ]
01:52:24
yeah um where was I going with that no
01:52:27
I've come back I've come back so because
01:52:29
we live these
01:52:31
lives we don't tend to spend too much
01:52:35
time outside of our comfort zone because
01:52:39
life is tough so you you know for for
01:52:43
probably a lot of Right Reasons want to
01:52:45
make sure that you're not making things
01:52:47
hard on yourself right but I think that
01:52:50
there has to be an element of of putting
01:52:53
yourself out of your comfort zone
01:52:54
feeling like taking a risk or um being
01:52:58
scared or all of that and that dancing
01:53:03
10 weeks of like the show was six weeks
01:53:06
but we danced we got to practice for a
01:53:08
few weeks beforehand like that was that
01:53:10
was an example of that of
01:53:12
just just constantly being like I don't
01:53:15
know what I'm doing I can't do this and
01:53:18
but you have to right you have to learn
01:53:20
you have to learn it you have to learn
01:53:21
it to go on show and do it so and it was
01:53:24
just a cycle every week but every week
01:53:27
and you almost weren't really getting
01:53:30
used to the fact that you were um
01:53:32
getting better at it you were just like
01:53:33
right here we go again right we've just
01:53:36
get rid of the cha it's time for the
01:53:37
tango and you're like oh my God you know
01:53:39
so it was just this hard challenging
01:53:43
task
01:53:44
of learning to do something that you
01:53:46
didn't really know how to do but you had
01:53:48
to do it and then yeah yeah and you
01:53:51
would you would have um in some way had
01:53:53
an advantage over some of the other
01:53:54
contestants in the respect that like
01:53:56
live TV wasn't the scary aspect for
01:53:59
you that's like another layer of
01:54:01
complexity I think for some other people
01:54:02
that have never been on potentially TV
01:54:04
before or live TV I had actually thought
01:54:07
about that but you Pro I don't I do you
01:54:09
know what's funny is I
01:54:12
actually yeah cuz you're right because
01:54:15
when I had to do about a month after the
01:54:18
final I was asked to MC the um Tanya
01:54:22
Dalton Foundation Award a big fundraiser
01:54:25
that they that they have once a year and
01:54:28
they asked if I could if onri and I
01:54:30
would do the dance and I was like yeah
01:54:32
sure great and yes that was in front of
01:54:36
like I don't know maybe 500 people four
01:54:39
500 people and that was way more
01:54:41
terrifying because you could you could
01:54:43
see the people um but I tell you I had
01:54:46
the same cycle every week like I would
01:54:49
um I would always [ __ ] up the dress
01:54:52
rehearsal always and then I'd be like oh
01:54:56
[ __ ] and then I'd come out and and and
01:54:58
do a good job of the of the actual one
01:55:01
right under pressure so the last yeah
01:55:04
the last Hara before the actual one I
01:55:06
would always [ __ ] up and I remember with
01:55:08
the it's it happened with with Proud
01:55:11
Mary and cuz I was wearing um I was
01:55:14
originally the gold dress that I'm
01:55:16
wearing in it I was originally supposed
01:55:17
to wear this other one but it looked Naf
01:55:20
and so I then was going to wear the same
01:55:22
one is the is is um Nera and Phoebe who
01:55:26
are professional dancers like I can't
01:55:28
wear the same thing as them for God's
01:55:29
sake but I ended up having to and it was
01:55:32
so teeny tiny that in the like When the
01:55:35
Beat Drops and I rip the black dress off
01:55:38
that gold dress was so tiny that I felt
01:55:40
like I had nothing on so I went and
01:55:43
looked down well that's I'm already a
01:55:44
beat off the thing so I was like trying
01:55:46
to catch up and I i' promised myself
01:55:49
that I'd enjoy it and I just felt like I
01:55:51
was just catching up the whole time so
01:55:53
at the end of it I said to Enrique [ __ ]
01:55:56
I've [ __ ] it up again and he's like
01:55:57
and what happens every other when we
01:55:59
when we [ __ ] up the dress reheal what
01:56:01
happens I'm like oh we have a good time
01:56:02
in the he's like exactly so that was
01:56:05
part if you hadn't [ __ ] it up I would
01:56:06
have worried about you well that's good
01:56:08
advice God he's a great guy he yeah you
01:56:11
do you still see him now I do you know
01:56:12
it's a strange feeling he when you do a
01:56:14
show like that and it's your whole
01:56:16
bubble and then suddenly it's not we we
01:56:18
were good like in the initial aftermath
01:56:20
we were good at catching up and and I
01:56:22
was even doing a few lessons um he is
01:56:26
we're both we message all the time and
01:56:28
we joke about the fact that we haven't
01:56:30
seen each other I don't have we seen
01:56:31
each other this year I don't know he is
01:56:33
traveling so much as well with dancing
01:56:35
which is amazing with Amy um but we
01:56:38
we're constantly in touch cuz I miss him
01:56:40
and I miss it you know um and I just
01:56:44
wish that I could have just like just
01:56:46
morphed into a fabulous dancer and just
01:56:48
you know but every everyone on this show
01:56:51
always says oh I'm going to keep up the
01:56:52
dancing it's hard it's hard why would
01:56:54
you if you got no one to perform to or
01:56:57
no yeah yeah I know so um but no he yeah
01:57:00
he's great yeah he was JJ's dance and
01:57:04
she was on and for years afterwards he'
01:57:06
just like Bowl around on a Saturday
01:57:08
afternoon or whatever and if there was
01:57:09
kitset Furniture there for some reason
01:57:11
we had a lot of kitset furniture he'd
01:57:13
just like take it upon himself to build
01:57:14
to build that's a good human yeah a
01:57:17
great human he's really good at it oh
01:57:18
he's he's such a fantastic so yeah we've
01:57:20
we've as I say this year we've been both
01:57:23
of us by our own admission have been
01:57:24
[ __ ] but I think every time he's like
01:57:27
home for a period of time I'm not and
01:57:29
then he's just like again like recently
01:57:31
I said we need to catch up I'm just
01:57:32
going to London but then I'm back here
01:57:34
and I'm like well I'm not here there you
01:57:36
know it's just that classic thing right
01:57:38
do you do you have like 5ye goals or
01:57:40
threee goal are you a goal Setter at all
01:57:41
or like what do you want in the
01:57:44
future do you know that I kind of yes or
01:57:49
no um
01:57:52
I don't know one thing I'd love to do is
01:57:55
live in Mount
01:57:57
[ __ ] that I don't know whether that's a
01:57:59
goal or like I just I would love to live
01:58:04
there and and work from there I want to
01:58:07
live by like I mean I you know I want to
01:58:09
live by the beach I want to I want
01:58:12
to have a have a a life where lifestyle
01:58:19
is well I guess yeah lifestyle is really
01:58:22
important like the the things that you
01:58:24
that make you happy that fill your cup I
01:58:26
want to and the beach and a beach
01:58:29
lifestyle gives that to me so that I
01:58:32
don't know if that's a goal or a want or
01:58:34
a a dream or a dream yeah what's the
01:58:37
difference between a dream and a goal a
01:58:38
goal is realistic right I don't know um
01:58:42
I would love to I I have to say at the
01:58:45
moment it's hard isn't it CU I I used to
01:58:49
think that I was probably like a goal
01:58:51
sitter and a 5e and a 10 year but what I
01:58:54
found amazing but also really hard to
01:58:57
get um used to is the nature of this job
01:59:02
um is not knowing what a year looks like
01:59:06
like I would say
01:59:10
that I don't know like 50 to 60% of what
01:59:13
I have done this year I wouldn't have
01:59:15
known that I was doing it in January so
01:59:19
yeah you just never know what doors are
01:59:20
going to present themselves yeah
01:59:23
um yeah I don't know I'd just like to
01:59:26
I'd like to constantly be um I would
01:59:31
like to think that if I am to stay in
01:59:35
the work that I'm doing that I respect
01:59:38
and understand and appreciate its
01:59:41
evolving nature and I'd like to think
01:59:44
that if I think it's time for me to get
01:59:46
off that I would if I don't think I can
01:59:48
evolve with it are you allowed to say
01:59:49
are you allowed to say get off
01:59:52
what girls like girls get off girls get
01:59:54
off girls get off you allowed to say
01:59:55
that name oh I don't know am I oh girls
01:59:58
on top oh sorry I yeah girls get off
02:00:01
they're amazing girls with all six toys
02:00:03
to yeah yeah yeah yeah girls you let
02:00:04
girls are let to get off of course um
02:00:06
well I think I think like whatever you
02:00:08
do you're going to be good at and I
02:00:10
think you're in the inviable position
02:00:11
now with there's probably a lot of
02:00:12
people in media um that are like
02:00:14
insecure about their jobs and positions
02:00:16
given the changing nature of the
02:00:17
industry that would like um love to have
02:00:20
like a personal brand but it takes years
02:00:22
to build it up right yeah I I think that
02:00:25
when you like if if I look at when when
02:00:28
I got made
02:00:31
redundant anyone I've spoken to that's
02:00:33
been made redundant has never said I
02:00:36
wish I didn't you know um had SE it at
02:00:40
the time though had said it at the time
02:00:42
but you're almost forced to make a
02:00:45
choice that at times you maybe should
02:00:47
have made for yourself without that
02:00:49
being forced upon you but you're always
02:00:52
grateful in the long run that it that it
02:00:54
happened actually um to be you know to
02:00:58
be frank as well I I guess I'll be
02:01:01
careful how I word this but a little bit
02:01:03
similar when when something happens like
02:01:05
burnout that you I think
02:01:08
it's you know you shouldn't get yourself
02:01:12
to that point but if you do I think it's
02:01:14
some really valuable lessons so
02:01:15
sometimes the best lessons come from
02:01:17
when something bad happens to you and
02:01:20
and look again again I want to reiterate
02:01:23
losing a job and and suffering burnout
02:01:25
I'm not trying to diminish my stuff cuz
02:01:27
my stuff's my stuff but you know um
02:01:30
there are and there there are people
02:01:33
doing it a lot tougher than I am but if
02:01:36
I am owning the the challenges in my
02:01:38
life those things have definitely um
02:01:42
taught me some pretty valuable lessons
02:01:45
and I'm still learning every day and you
02:01:50
know there are I have still have my
02:01:52
vulnerable moments and that all usually
02:01:54
depend on how tired I am like I'm pretty
02:01:56
tired right now you know I I am in a in
02:02:00
a not really sustainable period of Mahi
02:02:04
but I know that that's got a an end
02:02:07
point but that's the nature of it you
02:02:09
know and and
02:02:11
and I just would like to I'd just like
02:02:14
to keep being happy at what I do you
02:02:17
know and at the moment everything I'm
02:02:19
doing makes me really happy
02:02:22
um and I think that that's really
02:02:24
important and I think that maybe when
02:02:26
you are at peace with that and you're
02:02:27
really happy with what you're doing that
02:02:29
is in fact when you're performing at
02:02:31
your best when you're not sort of
02:02:33
worried about what the next thing is if
02:02:35
you're sort of content with where you
02:02:37
are with stuff which is I think possibly
02:02:40
you know like with with my with signing
02:02:42
a commercial partnership with stuff with
02:02:44
the podcast I feel this weight off my
02:02:46
shoulders that I am working with people
02:02:49
now and I'm not just sort of alone and
02:02:51
in that kind of space so there's a real
02:02:54
feeling this year of of being able to
02:02:58
actually like soak it all up and you
02:03:00
know a good friend of mine Mark kryal
02:03:03
who lost his job this year on the Sunday
02:03:05
program he always used to say drink it
02:03:07
while it's fizzy and I you know can't
02:03:10
argue with that either um so you you
02:03:13
know you got to soak up all the good
02:03:15
stuff I'm you know I've got a [ __ ]
02:03:17
great life you know I can run with we
02:03:21
can run I can go and do a marathon I can
02:03:25
do a podcast that people love with my
02:03:27
best mates I can go and speak at the
02:03:30
beef and lamb long ladies lunch and Gore
02:03:32
and and make people laugh and bring
02:03:35
people joy and no I'm not
02:03:38
um operating on someone's brain or you
02:03:42
know putting a valve on someone's heart
02:03:44
and that's also really important to
02:03:45
remind my I remind myself of that I go
02:03:48
mate you are not you know you are not
02:03:51
doing anything
02:03:52
that like if you have a day off you know
02:03:55
your your your job isn't crucial and I
02:03:58
think that's important to remind
02:03:59
yourself that these are just microphones
02:04:02
and we are just talking in them we are
02:04:05
not changing or saving the world and I
02:04:08
think that sometimes we need to hear
02:04:09
that we need to remind ourselves that
02:04:12
and I'd like to think I'm doing that but
02:04:14
in saying that celebrating doing
02:04:17
something that you love at the same time
02:04:19
I love that I think that's a good place
02:04:21
to end it
02:04:22
um Brody G woman uninterrupted it's a
02:04:26
it's a hell of a book um it's bloody
02:04:28
cool and thank you and it's it's a an
02:04:30
absolute privilege to call you a friend
02:04:33
well and look I I we we we have some
02:04:36
great runs I love that you run with me
02:04:38
even though you're really fast CU that's
02:04:40
a that's a measure of a good running pal
02:04:43
is that pace doesn't matter and um and
02:04:46
your support is is really valuable to me
02:04:48
too so thank you and thanks for having
02:04:49
me on basically told you you had you had
02:04:51
do so you didn't say we had to go for 2
02:04:54
hours and 5 minutes oh [ __ ] oh my God I
02:04:57
can never give you [ __ ] ever again about
02:04:59
your long podcast I wonder if the thing
02:05:02
I like about this it's like um people
02:05:03
will listen till they get bored people
02:05:05
that love you will see the length of
02:05:06
this and they'll be like yes 2 hours of
02:05:08
bro can I wonder if Justin Marshall will
02:05:10
said to me oh no one needs 2 hours five
02:05:12
of no I wouldn't I wouldn't have I
02:05:14
wouldn't have thought they did either
02:05:16
but you know we'll see yeah you're
02:05:18
inspiring and you're lovely and thank
02:05:20
you so much for coming on my podcast
02:05:22
again my absolute pleasure
