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18 it was suggested that you retire because you had knee issues. >> I had done my cut my ligaments and my
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cartilage but I also had bone chips and damage. So the doctors recommended that I retire from New Zealand level and just
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swim for pleasure and be a be a university student which didn't sit well with me. So, so there was there was no
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money in net ball or did you get some like pdiums when you were >> pdeiums but like there was really no we
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we were amateur a lot of us were teachers uh because it fitted in with tours. There were definitely some some
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crazy times of um like when I was teaching at Target girls and we were about to head off on the tour to South
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Africa um and it was exams and I had hundreds of exams to mark and Belinda Colling was saying to me um you know how
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how can we help Bernie? Can we help you like get through this? >> And um becoming captain of the silver
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fins at 20 is 22 very young to become captain. How do you do that? How do you find their respect? Well,