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When I started writing my PhD, work on
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my PhD, and I started interviewing
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prison officers
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uh because I it was on the history of
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the maximum security prison. So, I was
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interviewing prison officers that had
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been prison officers in the '50s and
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'40s. It was from in the post-war period
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I focused on.
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Um I got to talk to a lot of guys. I
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realized that, you know,
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you build up this image of this evil
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person.
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It's like you you'd be the same if
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you're a terrorist, really. I suppose
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the IRA had that mentality as well. You
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develop it. And and coppers have the
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same mentality about criminals. You see,
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it's them and us.
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Um and then I realized, well, you know,
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they're just actually human beings like
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us and Doing a job.
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>> And doing their job.
