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Andrew Fagen welcome to my podcast great to be here Dom wonderful to see you again oh oh handshake this um I don't
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know what to expect I I I I do think it's going to be chaotic though like you've come in here with your own chair
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to sit on of course um what a flag to hang behind you you can't trust normal
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chairs you can a model boat what's the model boat for well this is a a well this is an important part of my life um
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this is the way you teach people to sale right and uh yeah at a primary level so
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this is a a toy Sailing Boat that was um that I was involved with a manufacturer
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of and made and designed every little [ __ ] aspect of it it's it's beautiful
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but why do we need that as a prop for the podcast because I think it's important that um we introduce people to
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the concert with sailing at an early age okay and or a late age right well I um I
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would have exp and you've got a a bell here and um some spray the Bell is here
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in order to stop you I'll ring the bell if you're going too private okay I can't
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go private can't become public just like that okay yeah you you have been um very
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private over the years he sorry you've been very private over the years is that
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sort of by Design I try my best yeah can't promise anything well it's um it's great to have
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you here we can be as public or as private is what you want but for me for me this is one of those um kind of a
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pinch myself moment um because you're in a a band in the 1980s I I know I know
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you're you're a very big forward thinker and I think you have a thing called
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recency bias where your favorite bit of work is what you've done most most would
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that be fair to say absolutely yeah yeah I feel the same with um the podcast as well the most recent episode I've done
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is always my most favorite and I think it's having a growth mindset you want to
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look forward rather than back but a big part of the Andrew Fagan story is this band that you were in in the 1980s um
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maybe it's a bigger part of the story for me than for you because I was um I'm sure other people say this
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but I was unequivocally your number one fan like from the ages of maybe 11 to 14
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15 what made you do that Dominic it was the songs it was the the essence of you as the front person um was just I don't
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know for some reason it just resonated with me actually I've got a little bit
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of sh tell of my own first of all this poster here oh cool poster for your album culprit and the King which is
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probably my favorite mockers album now I was staying at my uncle and Auntie's
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place um in Levin and you were playing at the Levin hotel at the Oxford yeah yeah the Oxford Hotel yeah and um I rode
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my bike in the next morning to hopefully get my post signed you had already taken
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off to Wellington for the next gig but the rest of the band was there so the rest of the band signed it this would
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have been 1985 1986 um the only signature it's missing is Andrew Fagan so maybe today will be
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you want me to do it now we do it we do it at the end but my my recollection of that time um is so I think the chronicle
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was in chatting to the band at the time doing a thing for the local newspaper yeah and um Steve your late drummer and
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we'll get to him later um he saw me this shy awkward uh 12 13y old boy with gray
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trait pants on buck teeth acne and he motioned me in and he could not have been kinder to this weird kid um and
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when I got the news that he had taken his own life I was I even though I didn't know him apart from this Brief
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Encounter I was absolutely devastated as we all were yeah so that uh yeah it's
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interesting how all the some of the signatures are blurred out it hasn't it hasn't like us it hasn't aged
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well so yeah you're you're ban the marckus massive band I think it's
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probably fair to say from a broader perspective the the biggest song you had was one called Forever Tuesday morning
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that would have been the the signature song that's the one that that we've been
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hung on here and one Black Friday and swear it's true but um going back to to
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Levin uh that night we played at the Oxford I I I left early because my father had died um when we were in to
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wronger on that tour and uh I had to get back to Wellington for the funeral which
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was organized for the gig we were playing in Wellington that night so that's why I missed you yeah well no
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that's okay because we caught up again you doing a radio interview in um paliston North in April ' 87 and I saw
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you then was it 2xs or 2xs yeah yeah yeah April April 87 you got itome did you have any like groupies or was it
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just like weird awkward kids like me that didn't know how they belonged in the world well it depends on how you um
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how you define a groupy yeah like you I guess it's a bit of give and take there
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there's two aspects to being a groupy someone that's um who's enamored with
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what you do and then the groupy is more of a like it's a bit difficult isn't it
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i' different I'd go um I'd make a differentiation between groupy and fan
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you know like groupy is kind of like I think there sexual like connotations with groupy you did did you have those
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sort of groupies or were you just too unusual yeah and in terms of in terms of like front people at the
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time you know you you yeah you wore fishnet you this was the mid 80s you had black fingernail polish you know you the
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the theatrics that you've bought today for the podcast as a man in your 60s um
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this was you in your 20s as well you just had this this sort of this quirkiness this uniqueness what's
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changed Dominic really as an individual um do you rub off those sharp edges as you get older or do do you just remain
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the same and you know I'm just still being me really yeah I know I like that
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when you turned up today with a bag of props I thought this is the most Andre Fagen thing ever are you comfortable on
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that still though like I I like these big blue cheers because they're comfortable for a long form conversation
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that [Music] that I feel better on my knees Dominic that's the way I feel more candid now
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you get better answers out of me okay all right I'll tell the truth now okay
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well first of all let's go way back so you're born in 1962 in Wellington um so what were the what were
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the early early years um like like your your style and your music B boy so I'm
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from Wellington Island Bay uh you know did my 20 years there and it was it was wonderful I'm a fan of music you know so
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um I remember I remember hearing uh what was it um Rod Stewart playing at Athletic Park when athletic Athletic
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Park still existed and hearing um the the big mandolin solo of uh Maggie May wafting down on the gale force
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Northwest winds and thinking yeah this is cool like what music was just so enchanting and I've never stopped being
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a fan really and in those days for me it was punk rock was the big one you know people coming through um I just
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gravitated towards live music really and whether that was just in a practice room
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like here right now or uh or you know going and seeing a band underage venues like the last resort and The Rock
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theater didn't have licenses so I could get in when I was 16 177 so yeah so really just a fan of music and that's
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what sort of got me got me stuck in at an early age did did you have aspir aspirations to do it as like a career
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it's hard to imagine it's a pathway to an actual career at that point no well
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it the word career didn't come into the vocabulary it was more something that I
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was just passionate about doing I just really wanted to do it you know so I I stayed in Wellington and did a a degree
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in um public administration political science at Victoria but while I was doing that I was running the band as
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well and the main ambition was to be like an Oakland band because we were from Wellington and all these Oakland
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bands used to turn up all the time um you know with the Metropolitan rental van and the and the PA and the lights
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and and they're just on tour and it just seemed to me like the most wonderful
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existence you could possibly imagine to go from one one town to the next playing
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your own you know music every night that was my whole focus and was it did it live up to the expectation of what you
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thought it would be sort of sort of did uh yeah yeah there's lots of different
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permutations of expectations I guess you know so like to start with it was quite
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a struggle to get to Oakland and get in into that um what was the then the Hub of of uh how you become popular because
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you know anyone who writes songs is just looking for an audience you know you want you know the difference between
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writing songs in priv well you write them in private but the difference between having songs ignite and go
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public as an audience you know so like that was always the aspiration and in those days being from Wellington it was
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like yeah we got to go to Oakland you know there was no internet you know there was no mobile phones it was like
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you go to Oakland in order to get um get um popular hopefully yeah that's another
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speaking of no mobile phones that's an another thing I want to ask about you so
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when you're at the the the peak absolute peak of your Fame like the height of the
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mockers biggest band in New Zealand 85 yeah you you were living on a you were living on a boat then on the mud flaps
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of Cox's Bay so no landline how did anyone ever get you must have been impossible to do business with how did
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how did anyone track you down I remember the manager the manager used to come down at high tide and wave to me from
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the from the wall that's still there that used to have a sign saying um don't
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swim here because of sewage and and still should have um he just used to turn up and wave to me but you
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know we had regular you know meetings yeah yeah so like but it was all aspirational you know and it's was
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exciting when you're when you're 21 it seems if you see the progression of um the the mocker career in your
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albums it goes from sort of punk punkish to pop and then pure pop it seems to get
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poppier as it goes along would that be a fear thing to say absolutely I think it
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was also well not really I mean it was it was just songwriting man you're writing
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songs you know and like and that's what we like doing we just like I just still
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do it I still like writing songs you know where's the bag with this with the
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latest album yeah you know and like so we were just writing songs but without being
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aware of it I guess we were evolving from punk rock so my first band was the ambitious vegetables at rongo college
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and that was all about me not really being able to sing but being an enthusiastic person who jumped around
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and shouted you know and then it was kind of like as a personal progression in my own mind of you know singing
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Melodies which um Gareth Curtis was so wonderful at producing at the time and just you know trying to to be more
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melodic and so I guess things did you evolve into What Might Have Been perceived as a more commercial um thing
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or you know more pop poppy but it was also it was ALS yeah it was subconscious as well as being on purpose
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you know they are they're great pop songs though way they're incredible what any of those songs that
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you still sort of feel like an attachment with now absolutely um all of them like um you came to the gig we
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played the our last mockers reunion tour thing only a few months ago um phone call at midnight love it a Winter's
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taale um yeah another boring day in the Amazon I think think we really got it right
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with that song Maybe could have done with a a key change no it does have a key change so yes so the ones that
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you're most um proud of or fond of now 30 years 40 years on whatever it is are
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the are the less commercially successful ones not really I thought they were um no but I mean like the big three you
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mentioned before like forever Tuesday morning one Black Friday and swear it's
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true yeah yeah well yeah absolutely so songs that could have been more than they were if they'd been highlighted as
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a single and like pushed out onto radio at the time cuz that's the way the industry worked you know um yeah it's it
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wasn't so compartmentalized as it is now for every Tuesday morning it's it's
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a great pop song He it's great was it about anyone in particular or was it just like a bunch of words
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or you know you know what I mean I know exactly what's your songwriting process
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is that too is that too personal it's gone too far cut cut oh right I got I need some holy
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water why did you call this herpes juice yeah know you I went to I saw you at a show once and you were squirting into
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the crowd and you said it was herpes juice oh wow I lost lost my focus yeah no no all good no come back
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Tuesday yeah it was it was a um hybrid song really you know big hybrid song let's focus on the mic big hybrid song
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and yeah it was just another song like there were so many other songs that we wrote um that we hoped would be popular
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that would find an audience and take us from playing to 50 people in Timaru on a
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Wednesday night to finding an audience you know it was so so either minut or for every Tuesday
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morning I mean there l there's lots of aspects to it I mean sitting with Tim in
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his parents' bedroom making up the the middle bit you know bored shitless lying on the bed
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going okay give us some chords and then making up a good singing tune over what he came up with and he did a great job
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um so it's like music first and then the words yeah always for me yeah yeah to me
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the most important thing is the music like the stuff I listen to that moves me is is the melody it's it's well just
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anything it's the music but it's not the words I mean words are just like you
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know I mean not I'm not disregarding my own you know um cap capability to write
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words but um for me the it's what really lifts people is is a tune you know Thunder feel the
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thunder lightning then it's thunder thunder Imagine Dragons yeah it's a great it's a great one um oh and you you
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guys another one of your big songs was one Black Friday that was um that came out as a result of the the Queen Street
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riots that's right which uh um end of is it 40 years this year 1984 no I'm only
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12 so you know December 1984 so what what was it take us back I was uh was in the end of school year
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concert um what was that was that end of no well for the mockers that we were on
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tour we've been on a big six We Tour the classic provincial New Zealand tour and
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we were tired as the last we played the night before was at the Woodburn Air Force Base where alcohol was heavily sub
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subsidized for the for for the locals and we embed so like you know we they flew us straight back to Oakland and we
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had this next gig so for us the gigs were just gigs we were just doing what we did and there was and you know you do
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the same thing you do um with no expectations from an audience but so that was our last gig for the tour that
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was pretty unusual um it was pretty unusual to be have so many people in a public space you know so was you guys
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herbs and Dave doin and de smash were opening yeah yeah dobin was tra trading us D smash
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um I can't remember whether herbs played before us or not but it was just there
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was just a vibe there that um for the majority of people uh that seemed to me to be there
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for herbs they didn't really like us you know like we were too fast and like sort
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of punk even though we were by then we' evolved in quite a new wave poppy sort
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of band we were still too sort of punk rock like maybe you were to Alternative as well with your with your capes and
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your nail polish and showers man yeah yeah but but I think it was more the yeah I think it was more the the speed
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of the songs to be honest when you actually technically look at what was going on and then then we had like big
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brown beer bottles landing on stage and and they were empty that obviously been drank and there was glass breaking and
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and kind of looked like okay so there's another one of these gos where you're
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not that popular but who gives a [ __ ] cuz I've done lots of those before you
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know [ __ ] you you you were you saying that to the crowd were you chatting back yeah
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yeah like yeah given a a a stimulating environment I'll give as good as what
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I've been given you know as you do that that sounds terrifying though being being on a stage having those the
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bottles that you're talking about the 750 mil like crate bottles things throwing at you yeah I didn't say
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[ __ ] but but I did kind of imply that I don't like you you know I can't remember
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the details unless someone had a video yeah you know and like these days it' be
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printed forever wouldn't it yeah it' be all over Tik Tok so so you so you
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finished your set the concert keeps going yeah it was Dave Dobbin got in legal trouble a for inciting violence
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yeah well that should have been me but cuz I had a real go at them yeah not knowing who they were but just the the
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attitude didn't didn't appeal to me you know but having said that soon as soon
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as we finished um I was tired right we were just we were so tired from a six We Tour and I walked up Queen Street with
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my you know ex Army slus Surplus uh kit bag and caught a bus from kroad to Cox's
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Bay and went down to see my boat I was living on that I hadn't seen for 6 weeks
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and uh I missed the whole thing missed the whole ride but so so you never felt in danger or like there was a threat to
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your SA you are no I left before everyone started surging in around the back and stuff I literally wanted to get
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back to my boat ASAP couldn't [ __ ] you know Dave you know great songs at the
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time you know but no need to stick around you're tired yeah yeah man I just wanted to get
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back and see if my boat was still where I anchored it got this back you know and
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anchoring is not good like it's not like a moing it's it's quite funny the um the
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jaer position I guess between you know you being this front P this this um you know showman on stage uh you're very
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flam flamboyant and engaging to watch and also being this guy that just likes being on your own and boats just that's
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human nature isn't it Dom like you with your running man you know yeah but R
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running gives me a lot less Solitude time than what I suppose being on a boat does do you have headphones on yeah yeah
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most of the time okay so you're still engaging with Humanity Yeah Yeah well yeah okay so yep point
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taken cut that one C that out [ __ ] I'm out stress so um what's that is that
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just to call yourself down the yeah man yeah yeah well yeah you I I wouldn't
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have called it heres water I used call it holy water you know holy water but in a way maybe it is cuz it's it's fresh
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water yeah fresh water is good oh so so the first you knew like about the Queen Street rights so I guess the next day
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when you read in the paper it wasn't even read in the paper what what I can't
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remember what was it in those days in 1984 83 um where would you get your information on the radio would have been
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like a News Bulletin and yeah so yeah and I missed all of that yeah and then um so the song that
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came out as a result of that uh one Black Friday which funnily enough where we're sitting right now the music video
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which is amazing was recorded just over the road absolutely yeah that was when the um the non-politically correct uh uh
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circus was there yeah with animals and yeah real animals that was a great video yeah yeah and and I walked all the way
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from Cox's Bay there's a moment where you'll see my gun boots in the
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shop if you watch that's so so what was the uh what was the process of writing that song
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well that was the same working with Gary and then just making up stuff to um stuff that that was relevant to me at
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the time you know so as a songwriter excuse me you you you're not try you know I'm
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not trying to think of things that will be good lyrics but they just come to me anyway you know it's just like poems and
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everything just comes along and then you then you feel that it's worthwhile um
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documenting it and lots of people come up with stuff I know every day but they don't bother documenting it so it's all
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about documenting it and whether it takes the form of a song lyric or a poem or some you know a chapter heading in a
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book it's just like you know from my perspective that's that's the way my
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brain works yeah you you've even had a book of poetry but when when you write a
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poem how do you know if it's a good poem or or not like you know what I mean up
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to you it's up to you it's up to you you've got to self-edit it yourself you
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you got to work out whether youth um how like poems for me is all about um coming
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up with something really concise very concise writing um very different to writing lyrics for songs because for me
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it's always Melody comes first and then you're grafting in words into um into a
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Melody that will fit the emotion of the song So poems are very different poems are like to me um I mean it's subjective
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[ __ ] man you know it's totally subjective but for me it's kind of what
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I think is a good poem there's there's a p you you so you're so um like that no you wanted you wanted the
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the chair moved out we rearranged the whole set for you yeah I'll go back I'm
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indulging cut that BT out Jing okay um go dig deeper yeah so um yeah so um Ste Steve Thor um your drummer who who died
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in 1986 I remember being like I I was 13 at the time I was really affected by this I think I read about in the Sunday
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news or the truth um because he he took his own life and this was at a time where no one talked about mental health
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and uh you didn't even really sort of hear about you know suicide the way the
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way you do now um what what are your Recollections of that time did he did he have like you know was he depressed did
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he have mental health issues like obviously leading up to that cut okay man so yeah so hard to read um I wasn't in
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Steve's mind uh as a band we'd got to a point where we were overp poopular what always
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comes to mind would be someone like peing man a room that Echoes you know um you get your moment where everyone knows
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who you are but you can't keep touring in New Zealand and earn money and and that's your only life because
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there aren't enough people you know yeah especially then and now you know uh if
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if we had 60 million people like the UK then you could keep touring and everyone
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would get paid and life would be great um so the role play of being in a band that's
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popular uh was totally uh short you know you you're there and so everyone knows who you are
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and you're popular but hey you got no money you know it's just this it's I
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guess it's like being a big band on the chadam islands somewhere you know what I
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mean you know you just can't like the only way we were earning money as a band
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individually was by touring and playing all the time and we just we peaked and this is we're talking like
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1985 86 so we couldn't just go back to gbon which we'd been to two months
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before and expect to get a good crowd that would pay the bills and get everyone paid and everyone remains you
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know um in their own Mental Health good space as you know being defined as Steve
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the drummer you know so they had to go and get jobs um you know I was living on the smell of an oy rag on a boat um you
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know so so I had very low overheads um but for Steve and and Jeff and Tim who was and everyone everyone
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had to find some other way to earn a living which was kind of perverse so there's all sorts of other emotional
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agendas that develop when your life is like that you know um so I don't know
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individually in his own mind where what accumulated to create that poisonous situation but it did yeah and I suppose
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just a because of the time it was like the 1980s it was wasn't like you'd sit
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down with your band and go hey guys I'm not doing well I need help it just wasn't really a thing was it no well we
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were like we'd also got a bit sick of each other I think in all reality we were all kind of living with each other
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for so long we weren't sick of each other but we were kind of like we we enjoyed having time off from each other
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excuse me because we because you're always sitting in a van you're always
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playing a gig you're always waiting to play a gig you're always you know so we
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sort of got to that point where there' been a lot of that few years of that where you get to the point where okay um
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when we get downtime we'd actually don't it's it's quite nice to be away from
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each other so we missed that yeah there was no you know group hugs going on yeah
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well thanks for that that's a really thoughtful answer well it's a truth from
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my perspective but I still don't know exactly where Steve got to that point where he wanted to make that statement I
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mean that's that's that's that's part of committing suicide man you're making a
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statement yeah or you're just in so much pain and you're not sure how it's going
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to end and you know you just want the pain to stop but what sort of impact did it have on on the rest of you guys like
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being being so close to it we kind of [ __ ] it all up really I mean that was you know I mean that's that's that was
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the end for me yeah how do you yeah how do you carry on as life noral it's kind
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of like whoa you know this is like something that's really really really major that's happened
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so so it's like hey you know we we're on the same Journey here and someone is
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just a decided to detach from that Journey so for me it was it was fairly major yeah
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so did you guys make any money out of it or not really not really enough to cover
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cause not really but they were they were really big songs and really successful albums well they big tours as well know
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you can go all sorts of places in terms of management um let's not go there but at the end of the day you're
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dealing with a finite pool of people and even you know know when you get a platinum album what's that still 15,000
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in New Zealand or maybe it's more now but it's not a lot and that you know the
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royalties from that doesn't it doesn't change your life really you know it's
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subsistence existence and also like I say you're trying to earn money from pring playing live and you're not really
00:28:21
you know you're not playing live enough to big enough crowds to make it worthwhile you know you know things have
00:28:28
changed now I mean with the internet if you can go over but but only for a tiny amount of people Benny and Lord I mean
00:28:36
who else I mean who else is going off globally you that's that's yeah from
00:28:40
like the New Zealand perspective that you're talking about the only example I
00:28:43
can really think of is probably 660 that have like cracked New Zealand and nothing Beyond New Zealand and have
00:28:47
probably made it financially viable but I think most be in struggle well Dave doin as well you know Dave made it like
00:28:53
and poor Dave should have been Global you know you had some great songs were you were you you close with them in the
00:29:00
' 80s it felt like there's a bunch of bands that were not really no we like
00:29:04
same with the kns um Frid seven all sorts of bands you're the next band on the tour and everyone tells you when you
00:29:10
turn up and nap you oh they had a real big night last night and then your not's
00:29:14
not quite as big as theirs what about um what about the dance exponents you know good on Jordan
00:29:21
yeah yeah we we we we traded blows with Jordan for a while but um you know they They carried on and and we're uh way
00:29:30
more successful as a uh comprehensive Band stuck with the band name yeah whereas I went solo did you notice yeah
00:29:39
yeah so it's what happened so you moved over to to the UK did the mockers ever
00:29:42
actually break up or did you just sort of like dissolve in in its own sort of Natural Way well we traded as the
00:29:49
mockers in the UK for a while um but it was difficult to actually um get traction no management you know and so
00:29:58
we ended up playing those sort of of New Zealand gigs you know go to the church or Hammersmith or yeah yeah yeah which
00:30:06
wasn't what I was there for you know we're trying to find an audience of of
00:30:10
people that lived in the UK as opposed to new zealanders um so so yeah we didn't
00:30:15
really break up but we sort of just just dissol just dissolved it's just like it ran its natural course I
00:30:24
guess it did that be disolve is not a good word uh I likened it to climb into the top of a hill with a machete and
00:30:31
then and but we didn't quite get to the top you know so someone would find our
00:30:35
bones of as a band sort of just on some track that's been overgrown didn't but
00:30:42
has it been nice for you like the last I don't know four five six years whatever
00:30:45
it is doing some reunion shows getting the getting the guys back together set get him Luna get him my
00:30:57
dog's here get him like she's not even paying attention Savages FR oh look she's going to look no all
00:31:05
good um that's been wonderful absolutely um uh full of gratitude to actually have
00:31:10
the experience of of uh rekindling all the pleasure that those songs brought to us at the time you know
00:31:17
amazing amazing and also to see that people uh that I don't know remember some so many of the songs you know it's
00:31:25
it's it's cool it's been really good been a total past life experience you
00:31:30
know yeah that must be um that must be gratifying in a way if if if not a little bit weird I remember um you I
00:31:36
chatting um over AER at the power station when you did um your first Reunion Show and I was rattling through
00:31:42
to you some of the songs um that weren't on the set list that I thought it should
00:31:45
have been there that's right and uh you looked you looked very uncomfortable by
00:31:50
my knowledge of Mock's history good on you what other ones do you think shouldn't have been should have been
00:31:54
played oh George Henry Swan Geor three years 14 years you're a de of paradise um Henry
00:32:05
but his [ __ ] real name was Henry Charles Swan I got it wrong right uh what else our destiny from the
00:32:11
swe's true album was a great one there so many good songs good on you yeah good
00:32:16
on you um all right so you moved to the UK so you moved over there with um Karen
00:32:22
hey your wife and you were living on a house boat yeah did that twice yeah right so so so and hey um she's she's a
00:32:30
wonderful woman I I my dealings with her have just been through like when our paths crossed in radio but I always um I
00:32:35
always had nothing but mad respect for her and when you guys got together so you were like the the the you know the
00:32:42
pop Idol she was like the coolest check on New Zealand TV on the show called radio with pictures um you seemed like
00:32:48
an unlikely couple at the time I guess here's Karen here that's Luna no it's Karen isn't it
00:32:58
but um uh what was that like like living on a boat those boats are quite small he
00:33:03
like I can't imagine and did you have your kids on the boat or no was it just
00:33:06
yeah now we started um we just went over there to escape from New Zealand in 1987
00:33:12
and we bought a boat it was called moonfleet smuggling it was a 28t mahogany plank thing and uh four years
00:33:19
went by um for me it was a wonderful songwriting period I wrote um excuse me so many songs
00:33:33
trying to think which ones of them actually actually anyone would know I wrote so many songs Jerusalem
00:33:42
exciting um and with Mo the one I did with Moana I'll be the one who judge and
00:33:47
jwy going to give you what I need it's on digifi to plead you so that that that's they're on YouTube you know
00:33:53
exciting and um Jerusalem but you just wrote heaps of songs and it was a wonderful period where kind of um Karen
00:34:01
and myself sort of managed to just sort of move into a whole another style of life where we just moved around the
00:34:07
river every 24 hours they called us Australian River Gypsies and we just kept moving and and I was writing songs
00:34:13
um most optimistically looking for a a publishing songwriting publishing deal and a and a record deal that never came
00:34:21
MH but meanwhile really enjoying ourselves yeah well I suppose your cost of living is quite low if you're living
00:34:26
on a boat on absolutely and then later on we went back again and that's when we
00:34:30
had children on the boat yeah on a different boat it was Canal De 44t Long foot long uh 11 ft wide sorry I don't do
00:34:41
metrics uh and what what is that like though like um being on a being on a boat it's great it's absolutely it's way
00:34:48
better than living in a car asan street box in England yeah I wouldn't have lasted six months if we were just living
00:34:53
in some little little brick one of those ones but it's great it's um you know the
00:34:58
the the inland waterways in England and the rivers are just such uh Prime wonderful places to exist you know um
00:35:09
sort of under under well now they're probably over utilized now but in terms of living
00:35:15
on board boats it's a for someone who likes living on boats I mean it's up to
00:35:19
you whether you like living on boats or not but if you like living on a boat in a small space I mean this whole tiny
00:35:24
home thing what the hell it's trying to get me this whole tiny home thing mean the boat
00:35:31
a boat is the is the perfect example of that what's going on here something spooky going on yes so um I that'll be
00:35:37
from the fan are you sure yeah maybe can't I read more into this he I can read more into this sure yeah um so you
00:35:45
live in a house you live in a house currently right yeah man but do you have many sort of positions or you're just
00:35:50
not a materialistic person really at all I've got books I've got Heats I'm just
00:35:54
going to use my knees now cuz this is good by the way envious that you're able
00:35:58
to sit like that I I've got osteoarthritis of money I couldn't sit like that is that from all that running
00:36:02
I told you Dom you shouldn't do all that running you've worn out your joints um
00:36:07
now in my house um I live in like a little tiny room like I'm into those tiny space like a boat really but it's
00:36:13
it's a boat that doesn't move um obviously and books I got all my all my
00:36:19
nautical book collection there which is which is precious to me but having said that I mean how often you do you [ __ ]
00:36:27
dig into do it not really I just look at the spines and go oh yeah I've got that
00:36:31
book but it's nice sometimes it's nice it feels um I don't know comforting to
00:36:36
be surrounded by some things that you like Yeah well yeah some people do that whole dend
00:36:43
thing with and they put up all their success stories you know big big um you know man cave a yeah yeah kind of thing
00:36:53
um I I might do that if I if I ever felt I had the the longevity of staying in one place for that long you know but I
00:37:02
never really looked at life like that it seems to be more transient and things keep changing like this yeah absolutely
00:37:11
well do you have much in the way of memorabilia I've probably got more mockers memorabilia right here to my
00:37:15
left than what you've got yeah no I have absolutely but it's all in storage right
00:37:20
do you have the um the shield yourself EP oh nice look at that wow 1987 that that was a good good on you Dominic to
00:37:29
have kept that am I weiring you out now with all my M no no I'm really appreciative of it good on you what
00:37:35
about do you have a VHS I could borrow so I can play play this that's a that's
00:37:40
a what are you what are you wearing there what are you what is that what is I'd gone too
00:37:46
far no but it was it was you you were just like a man before your time like you wear these pink fluffy suits like
00:37:54
you're from the [ __ ] Muppets there was like this orange FL coat that you'd
00:37:58
wear um The Emperor's New Clothes coat well I've still got those i' got all
00:38:04
that stuff in the car but you wouldn't let me wear it you know it's showers plus man you
00:38:11
got to keep up appearances you know like this whole shoe gazing just I'm there in
00:38:16
my woolly jumper which I am most days um on stage never worked for me you know I
00:38:21
aspire to the mark bowan sort of way of presenting you know it's not mutually
00:38:26
exclusive you don't have to you know just because you write a good song doesn't mean you can you can't show off
00:38:31
as well you know so for me it's there there's um there's the showers that goes
00:38:36
with the songwriting yeah yeah it's about putting on a show yeah absolutely um but it's it's good to see that that
00:38:42
hasn't sort of like wave it in you over the years can you tell it has he no well
00:38:47
no the fact that you wanted to to sit here on a a keyboard stool and you've got
00:38:52
this spray and the bell and the the flag it's um I like it I think it's cool you
00:38:58
don't have to like it Dominic criticize me no no no I I absolutely respect it
00:39:04
that you're in that you're in your 60s and it's like you you you know you're
00:39:07
growing old disgracefully now that's a value Laden Domin it's a compliment though aent
00:39:16
there's nothing disgraceful about showing off no come on no but I mean I suppose the enthusiasm or the flame
00:39:22
hasn't gone out after all these years and it's it's I think it's inspiring
00:39:25
good on your Dominic point taken so what um where does where does the passion come from what what what keeps driving
00:39:31
you like when you when you're doing the solo stuff and I I know the he's putting
00:39:38
a crown on I know the the work that you're most proud of is your most recent stuff but
00:39:43
you you know you must see like the numbers on Spotify like they you know they they get smaller and smaller what
00:39:50
are you but but where like where does the passion come from to keep doing it is it for is it for you it's there's no
00:39:56
passion at all it's just like the mechanics of my mind like you know left to my own devices if I wasn't here
00:40:02
this afternoon and I wasn't working I'd be puding around on my guitar you know it's
00:40:10
kind of like it's just something that I do he's just gone to grab his guitar no
00:40:15
I haven't you cannot prove that Dominic no I need to commentate what's going on
00:40:20
cuz you you know it's when we can't get the guitar over Jesus Christ cut this
00:40:26
out cut this [ __ ] out what is going on here I'm just trying to give you a reality of my life
00:40:36
reality oh hang on I'm not going to [ __ ] do this I got a pick oh look up who
00:40:42
got Soo so like left to own devices this afternoon if you weren't here the first
00:40:48
thing I'd do is tune my guitar but I'm not going to do that cuz you are here
00:40:58
[Music] it's Out Of Tune but yeah but you know what I mean this is me let's just put
00:41:16
the tuner on while we're talking carry on but you I mean some some of these um
00:41:20
songs you've done like Jerusalem um Springs to mind it's a fantastic song
00:41:24
like does it does it frustrate you or disappoint you that it doesn't have more
00:41:28
cut through than you know what it probably deserves tuning is more important than
00:41:36
talking just give me a moment I hate atune guitars driving crazy I used to do this for a living in D in um England
00:41:44
Dominic I worked for some big guys but you never um in like in the mockers you never played you just um just showing
00:41:51
off yeah yeah yeah anyway yeah sorry what was the question oh so you have a great song like Jerusalem like does does
00:41:57
does it frustrate you that it maybe doesn't find the audience it deserves got to learn how to play yeah
00:42:04
um does it frustrate um when you write a song you know it's a good song and you
00:42:07
know that it you just don't know what's going to happen you know you write a
00:42:10
song and you and I'd say I've written so many songs that have not found an
00:42:17
audience or any any anything in terms of popularity that I just I'm just um immune to it you know it doesn't matter
00:42:29
like some songs go off um it's frustrating to start with but you know you you just you can't otherwise if if
00:42:37
you let that bother you you'd never you'd never even try to do it again you
00:42:42
know like trying to find popularity with a song it's more self- Amusement I'm
00:42:47
totally I'm a fan of music I like the sound of this you know I could this could be just a guitar without a one W I
00:42:54
love distortion you know and and yeah Luna knows these s s yeah get light like that's a song that
00:43:30
I'm disappointed hasn't found an audience I thought that was a really good one off my album um Admiral the
00:43:36
Naro season [Music] 2011 so that's like a riff I made up when I was living on my Bo in Cox's Bay
00:43:57
in 1983 and I finally managed to turn it into a song about yeah 2005 you know but
00:44:06
I mean you just get into just mucking around with with frequencies what you what what's so
00:44:14
wonderful about music is that you're manipulating frequencies and it's just outrageous
00:44:21
that you can fill up spark Arena full of people that live really normal lives doing normal jobs but they're all there
00:44:29
because of the way someone has manipulated those frequencies whether it's the idols who I miss my favorite
00:44:35
band of the moment you know um British sort of new punk rock band or Olivia Rodrigo who are also like you know the
00:44:45
way you know dri's license and and dejay Vu got my ders but like how how do you
00:44:52
how do you know Olivia Rodrigo because when I was how did you stumble across here because I was work King okay here
00:44:58
we go this this will give you some sort of gratification I was working um on a tug which I do you know Marine industry
00:45:05
and the guy the the 23 year olds had the Edge Edge video on the on the TV right and I heard that song DJ Vu and I was
00:45:15
like what the [ __ ] that's genius song I mean the way it's that the everything
00:45:21
about that song is just absolutely amazing and then I got then I started looking her up and going okay so yeah
00:45:27
little kid but she's writing some amazing songs you know I think she's legit but you is there is there much
00:45:33
like contemporary music that you hear and you go holy [ __ ] that is really good
00:45:37
the idols because they're really unusual the way they use their frequencies right
00:45:41
you know my mother worked 16 hours 6 days a week [ __ ] I don't know that one yeah
00:45:49
but it's actually quite a it's it's really well put together um song called
00:45:53
him by the idols the Idols are just it's it's the they're made up of a whole lot
00:45:59
of different parts really um very intelligent guitar playing and the way they use the frequencies to me is really
00:46:07
compelling because it's it's it's not unprecedented but it's right out there
00:46:11
it's um and then they are not pop songs as we but having said that I went and
00:46:16
saw them at spark Arena so you know they're pulling 2,000 people and getting
00:46:20
bigger and they're playing all the time around the world but I also also love
00:46:23
you know um the Carpenters and all those sort of songs because again it's you're
00:46:31
making up you know Melodies are just a manipulating frequencies and that's a
00:46:36
hell of a um hell of a comp competent thing to do yeah yeah actually you you sent me a list um the the other day of
00:46:44
um of um a bunch of songs which I I put together on a playlist here oh good on you thank it's going to be um I think
00:46:50
it's going to be too tricky to play like I don't know what the rules are with
00:46:53
playing music on a podcast but but we can run through these songs you you won't get the um the rights for a little
00:46:59
costume in yeah so so but let's run through these songs because I I'm curious as to why you one of these
00:47:05
particular songs so the first one's called go all the way from The Raspberries yeah the raspberries yeah go
00:47:11
all the that is the most amazing piece of um Melody writing and it's also all
00:47:16
the sort of guitars it's all like kind Treo it's not that but you know but it's
00:47:22
like it's it's classic guitar pop music um 19 72 or something right they just
00:47:29
amazing U Melody writing and also the singers got that real wow thing which it was a bunch of very diverse songs that
00:47:36
you you sent through um what the next one every day by Slade oh that is a that's such a a a classic um gem from a
00:47:46
band that was really regarded as a bit of a bit of a just a sort of a like throwaway Slade where like uh the other
00:47:55
early 60s uh 70s band what they called from England they always had those funny puppy those haircuts you know um what do
00:48:06
they call it like puppy dog or Fringe long here oh not like a not not like a ball cut no it's not like a
00:48:17
um oh let's have a think everyone pause now and think okay and who um there are
00:48:24
bands up kind of like Glam bands from the early' 70s they were kind of written
00:48:29
off as um and as not that good but the writing was really good when you listen to it in the production and that Slade
00:48:37
song's amazing yeah do do you think that's where part of your Showmanship
00:48:41
came from that Glam stuff from the 70s potentially yeah probably cuz that was my age you know I was probably 10
00:48:46
watching that stuff and and to me like eye makeup and nail polish and and showas gear like seemed really normal
00:48:54
but no one else in New Zealand was doing it at all yeah that's their problem 100% um
00:49:00
the next one on this list of songs um Barbara O'Reilly from the ho oh that's
00:49:04
too good the who like Pete town in like Pete Town in's just genius songwriter in
00:49:09
my book he's he's he's he's the man you know um bubber O'Reilly the other thing
00:49:14
with that one is um Pete in whistle uh bass playing and Keith Moon's drumming
00:49:20
you know um Keith Moon as a character was very much like Steve Thorp as well I think you know Steve was life of the
00:49:25
party you know yeah um but just that sty that kind of just again it's it's the
00:49:32
magic that comes from a whole bunch of people just getting in in a small space and making stuff up that they don't know
00:49:39
is going to be popular but they're making up stuff to satisy themselves and that's always my approach to songw
00:49:45
writing I'm just trying to write songs that I like yeah that that song that bab
00:49:48
WR great song like how many hundreds of movies or TV soundtracks has it been on but it's
00:49:54
such a but I watch what if you watch them live at shepperton like about 1972 you know and they're all wide but it's
00:50:01
like it's like wow it's just it's it's it's what you can do when you're trying
00:50:07
music yeah absolutely um the next one was um there she goes from the l oh too good yeah all that chimy stuff that's
00:50:14
what I was trying to do with this one [Music] here something like you know it's that
00:50:24
kind of it's that chimy yeah it's easier to do that but yeah that's that's a great song the L it's
00:50:32
just that here he go just Melody share I mean it's not that easy to make up that
00:50:39
[ __ ] you know we we the next one on the list was um Deja Vu which you talked about before from Olivia Rodrigo when
00:50:44
when you hear a song like that is there part of you that goes [ __ ] I'm jealous
00:50:47
that I didn't think of that I've sort of got Beyond there but I used to I used to
00:50:51
think like that but like now I just appreciate it for what it is and I go wow like like what what what's wonderful
00:50:57
is that people are still making up original songs with the same old [ __ ] four chords it's what you make up on top
00:51:05
of the chords that counts it's you know you can play the same you know g whatever what's this one you know
00:51:14
what I mean you can but it's what you make up on top of it that makes a song
00:51:18
yeah and that's that's the compelling part [ __ ] you're passionate about it
00:51:22
aren't you you're into it right into it in any the other real modern modern
00:51:28
stuff you like like the weekend in cheering you see any hip hop or anything haven't really heard like honestly I
00:51:35
mean haven't I don't seek out uh popular contemporary music because I'm sort of
00:51:41
like buried in my own [ __ ] you know um it's just things that sort of suddenly
00:51:46
they hit me and then I'm into it yeah um okay should we change Tech and talk about the radio years for a little
00:51:53
bit do you think I should take my helmet off of that I don't know no I don't know up to
00:51:58
you up to you I there's there's no rules here actually when when um when you
00:52:03
first arrived you said I've got some props but I don't want to ruin your
00:52:06
aesthetic it's like this is your podcast I want I want you to have a good time if you're having fun I'm having
00:52:15
fun oh [ __ ] Luna's left dog here on my top you think people are be able to
00:52:20
see that n no no we'll fix that in post production the tuning's still a bit out
00:52:24
man yeah so you you had a real job for a while you were on um it was this radio station called radio live which is no no
00:52:31
longer exists um and you did the night show uh with your wife Karen for a number of years listening listening but
00:52:39
churning comes first yeah yeah yeah talk back radio yeah was cool man enjoyed that yeah
00:52:47
hello yeah hello you you would you did it for years though right that's in tune um sorry turn turn
00:52:56
this off get focused uh yeah we did seven years of that yeah radio live that was that was
00:53:03
an unusual experience to be honest from my perspective talking on the radio and not having songs to cut to and talking
00:53:10
about popular um topics or unpopular topics um yeah yeah yeah yeah how did you find that from a a from a creative
00:53:20
standpoint I'm guessing you found it quite stifling because there's so many
00:53:23
so many rules with commercial radio regardless of what the format is well before that um that evolved from working
00:53:30
at kiwi FM where I was a music programmer for five years so that kind of sucked the creative life out of me
00:53:39
entirely because I was just listening to piles and piles of CDs that arrived every week and trying to give people an
00:53:47
opportunity to get played on the radio you know so for me kiwi FM was a really U positive platform that gave lots of
00:53:56
people uh you know places to get their a place to get their songs played we haven't
00:54:02
even talked about your um your other big passion actually maybe this is your number one passion um the water the
00:54:08
ocean and your relationship with the ocean I bought it with me see yeah so um yeah you had a book called
00:54:15
swirly World which you told me before we started you're no no longer own it's uh
00:54:20
where is so so swi it's a tiny boat 52 years old you you got this boat in 1985 yeah I bought it in 1985 that's
00:54:30
right I've lost interest sorry what were we talking about I was doing a big solo you know all good swirly world so
00:54:37
like I brought you in a copy of the book Dominic where where have you put it just
00:54:41
here okay I'm looking forward to reading it I'm really excited about that well
00:54:44
that's the old book right so I've written two books about the boat I bought it in
00:54:48
1985 and I lost it in 2022 I was attempting to sail around the world nonstop uh via the great capes 14 months it was
00:55:00
going to take me and basically I bit off more than the boat could chew so it all turned to [ __ ]
00:55:09
and I've just finished writing that last the the end of the trilogy which is swiy
00:55:15
World lost at sea but I can't give too much away Dominic but um I still lived
00:55:20
to tell tail but the boat didn't maybe or maybe it did you you what um what happens with um A boat like that maybe
00:55:27
not NE not a swirly World specific if you don't want to give that detail away
00:55:30
but so you get rescued by another boat that happens to be in the area they just do you just abandon ship and it just
00:55:36
becomes a ghost ship what happens have you already read the the last book okay okay you you went on some and
00:55:45
this this is astonishing so it's a little boat like 5 m 5 m long something like that tiny little boat it's it's 17
00:55:54
FT 1 in Long which is five .1 M yeah and and you um you you hold the world record
00:55:59
you've got the world record for sailing the the smallest boat uh from New Zealand to Australia you s to malula
00:56:06
that's correct and there in back actually yeah and then the smallest boat have circumnavigated New Zealand via the
00:56:14
Orland Islands yeah I went down there in 2007 that's what that book there I've
00:56:18
given you is about so um yes I've done some done plenty of miles in it that sounds that sounds terrifying it's fun
00:56:25
no um it it's terrifying if you're not initiated but once you one it all comes
00:56:30
down to your uh spectrum of of Jeopardy you know and like when you're in a boat
00:56:37
like that and you know how to use it and you know it's slow the Jeopardy is minor you know you've got
00:56:47
you come and get me stuff you know you got your life ra these days with um GPS and
00:56:54
EBS so yeah yeah but when you when you first started doing this in the mid 80s and you were sailing to the kumed
00:57:00
islands and places like that there um I'm guessing the communication technology wasn't very good and the GPS
00:57:07
so you're basically saying goodbye to your your bandmates your management your
00:57:11
loved ones whatever and you may not see them again like one freak wave and you could be gone regardless of your level
00:57:17
of seamanship surely absolutely yeah so that's up to you um my first trip like
00:57:22
you mentioned in 1986 was um I'd read the books about solo sailing and um and sorry just got distracted by the
00:57:34
dog going out to bark and at a motorbike yeah cuz it doesn't like those frequencies that's Luna Luna's a dog um
00:57:41
yeah so um yeah so I wanted to go offshore and see what it's like to be out of sight of land you know that was
00:57:49
in 1986 so that was like at the height of the mockers and it was and I think the
00:57:55
manager managed to to organ get some Sunday news headline where it said mocka fleas country or something like that but
00:58:02
my I went to the ra ra Island and the keric group 650 Mi North Northeast of New Zealand and I used a seant and it
00:58:10
was all about just doing something that I read read about when I was a teenager that I really wanted to have a go at and
00:58:16
I haven't lost interest in that at all it's it's amazing to be out on the Water
00:58:20
by yourself out of sight of land uh once you get over that Jeopardy equation which is it's just a a mind [ __ ] you
00:58:27
just you just you can do that so easily it's just um it it comes with experience
00:58:34
so my first trip to W hickey Island from the Harbor Bridge made me feel slightly
00:58:39
scared when I did it at night you know and then my next trip to Great Barrier Island from from the Oakland Harbor
00:58:46
Bridge was slightly scary but then you know you just develop your awareness of what constitutes Jeopardy really you
00:58:55
build like a bit of car confidence but um yeah how do you plan for one of these things when you're
00:59:00
going away for 2 weeks 3 weeks 4 weeks but well you going away for I was going away for 14 months when it all went
00:59:08
wrong in 2022 so that was 5 years in the planning so like I I had 14 months with
00:59:15
the freeze dried food I had a desalinator which is a water maker it's like a big grease gun a manual one not
00:59:21
an electric one cuz I hadn't got the the power supply um so I was making my I was
00:59:27
making 3 l of fresh water would take me 40 minutes to pump it um so you're turning in the sea into into fresh water
00:59:35
and you watch it drip into this little bottle here and it's you really value
00:59:38
fresh water when you when it comes in that slow um so everything like that all the spares everything navigational gear
00:59:46
um it's a massive amount of of application and preparation M but it's something you do because that's what you
00:59:54
got to do to achieve an objective but where I went wrong was that um I underestimated the Capac I overestimated
01:00:03
the capacity of the boat with hindsight the in terms of what the boat was capable of or yeah right is it because
01:00:11
the boat was old or maybe it was plywood glassed over in 52 years old it wasn't a young
01:00:19
boat yeah I mean those boat old boats have done huge voyages as well but the design of it and the fact that it was
01:00:28
had a lot of stuff inside it um yeah it was most unfortunate it was an unfortunate outcome but it's all in the
01:00:33
next book are you ready are you ready for it okay I'm ready I'm ready I'm so
01:00:38
so yeah I mean that must that must be incredibly sad like you I suppose when you get rescued you're relieved but also
01:00:46
it's a boat that's been a massive part of your life for decades yeah I guess it it it was sad it
01:00:53
was it was at the time it was more annoy aning and um that that I'd over overestimated the boat's capacity you
01:01:03
know um it was really annoying that I had so much stuff inside that cost me a fortune like 30 Grands Fortune to me 30
01:01:11
grand worth of stuff that I had to leave behind at the mercy of the sea um so yeah it's it sort of comes back to me
01:01:19
now and then I sort of think oh well that was that you know but you know it wasn't like it was life and death for a
01:01:27
while until I managed to get off the boat for how long well like a day days few days but the boat yeah that's
01:01:36
terrifying well the boat was it's it's terrifying looking back on it but when you're actually immersed in
01:01:41
a situation like that it's just what it is you just um find a resilience to cope
01:01:47
with with an awkward situation and that's on that's changing all the time
01:01:52
and that's what that's what I've tried to write up in this book is like trying
01:01:56
to explain um you know not so much where it went wrong but how you cope with what's gone wrong oh that's going to be
01:02:04
a good read hopefully that's but but on those those days where it's touch and go
01:02:09
like are you are you comfortable with the prospect of dying at Sea no but I never think I never think I'm going to
01:02:15
die at sea cuz I've got a life raft you know I mean if the boat sank underneath
01:02:20
me I'd get in the life raft so you're always thinking what's what's the next
01:02:24
step to safety so it's not just um it's not like oh I'm doomed I I mean I guess
01:02:31
if I was in the water something would really gone wrong and I was just floating in the Water by myself you know
01:02:38
point you go okay I'm probably fine but until I get it's not looking good right now yeah that's
01:02:47
right I'll turn up some Distortion for that um what about um what about um yeah what about L
01:02:55
loneliness when you're at there I'm thinking like recently we've had you
01:02:57
know the co lockdowns and for a lot of people the the worst aspect of that was the the loneliness fact oh [ __ ] humans
01:03:04
I'm sick of humans [ __ ] hum One n sick to death of a [ __ ] I guess so what what like when
01:03:13
you're out on the sea what what what does an average day look like it's great
01:03:16
you're just trying to keep the boat moving like on it not not on a motorboat
01:03:20
you know I've been out there on Big Ships as well but when you're Sailing by
01:03:25
yourself you're trying to keep the boat moving in the right direction as fast as
01:03:29
possible 24/7 and cuz you're by yourself you've got to be kind of always on red
01:03:36
alert and your whole life is just tuned into keeping that boat sailing as fast as possible which in my case is only
01:03:43
like four or five knots you know it's slow sailing but it's just keeping it
01:03:49
moving and there's a sense of purpose that comes with that and but when you're
01:03:53
out of sight of land there's no there's nothing yeah all you're looking at is
01:03:57
this an empty Horizon all around you and the clouds uh and the sky are the things
01:04:04
that change and obviously Darkness at night and and the universe comes in super bright which looks amazing
01:04:10
especially away from the city glow but it's it's all about your sense of purpose is keeping
01:04:17
the Boat Moving and it feels really it just feels great to me it Feels So natural because you're there by yourself
01:04:25
it's only up to you it's you've got no one to rely on it's up to you to to to
01:04:31
go wherever you want to go and that's just a great feeling I think this is the
01:04:38
most passionate you've been in this whole whole conversation it's really
01:04:41
cool to see your eyes light up when you talk about it what about the well they're usually quite dead yeah hey no I
01:04:46
can just just tell like um the first is that that suit there my dead eyes look yeah no the like the first 20 minutes or
01:05:06
so when we talked about the mocker stuff I I I I can tell it wasn't I wasn't
01:05:11
punishing for you but I can tell it's like you're like yeah that was then this
01:05:14
is now but I like the mockers I mean it's all and it's and it's it's great
01:05:17
revisiting the mockers now it's even better now than it was before because you realize that it's more it's more
01:05:23
special cuz you know it's never going to come it's it's it's gone so like every
01:05:27
chance we get to play mocka songs together with those same people is really um for me it's it's really
01:05:34
gratifying especially when you realize that all those guys Tim and and Brett and Jeff They're all playing the songs
01:05:40
way better than we used to you know and everyone's trying harder because you
01:05:45
know it's printed forever you can't be half cut and and um you know and sing
01:05:50
out a tune like we used like I used to be these days because some 's got a phone and it's on the internet
01:05:57
forever last forever so you got to try harder that's true like right now see
01:06:03
don't walk away from me I'm not the kind of Li to people down the world is wied
01:06:10
just too weit to ever want to it's a great song um oh yeah so what's the
01:06:18
longest you've been at sea without talking to another human being that was 40 days the last trip I did 40 days 4 40
01:06:25
days 4 nights it's biblical stuff Dominic with without um did you have like a like a some sort of radio or no
01:06:31
you're right no I I was it's it's I'm lying so I was texting like in the old
01:06:37
days a satellite phone or yeah yeah a Garmin in Reach cool little text thing you know and so you're talking all the
01:06:43
time actually that's I reckon that's next time I do it that's I'm not going
01:06:47
to do that it's there's too much communication these days you're too
01:06:51
accountable and it it [ __ ] up your whole um sense of application I think it uh in terms of isolation in the old days
01:06:59
people would if they're going to sell to fij they just um they'd leave and then
01:07:05
they're gone you know you don't know what what's happened until they get
01:07:09
there you know and and personally I think that's a better mindset for the participant than it is to be always
01:07:17
constantly telling people where you are you know it's a safety thing though right isn't it well it's sort of safety
01:07:22
but a lot of it's just ego blogging these days you look at YouTube and everyone's just showing off about where
01:07:27
they are and you know I've done 60 miles in the last 60 you know 24 hours so
01:07:33
that's that's not that's not good um but it is good in my yes my sense of speed
01:07:41
um application what's my point no it's yeah communication's not good once you
01:07:48
go out there you go out there and you're gone you know like the old days there's
01:07:52
a great movie Deep Water which is worth watch where it was the way it was in 1968 for
01:07:58
the soul around the world race and you just disappear over this curve of the earth um we're just we're just too
01:08:05
conditioned to too much communication you know and everyone wants to know where you are everyone want and then
01:08:11
everyone wants to have an opinion about what weather you're getting and things
01:08:14
and you just become like a little guinea pig for for an audience but when yeah yeah what are you
01:08:21
you are you quite good with your own thoughts it's a lot of a lot of time on
01:08:24
your own with your own thoughts yeah it's good I mean what do you do you you take a guitar and you write or no no
01:08:30
there's no room for a guitar I did take a guitar but that's they just get the
01:08:33
strings go Rusty and Things No Room for luxuries not on swirly world it was too small um
01:08:40
but uh lot of reading I took a Kindle on the last trip it was it was strange like
01:08:47
with Kindles you don't you don't know how long a book is you know I ended up
01:08:50
reading um Gandhi's autobiography it was 900 [ __ ] Pages man it just went on
01:08:56
and on Swipe swipe if I'd known the book was that thick I wouldn't have [ __ ]
01:09:00
bought it mate and then what was so pervs is that when I ended up when I ended up having to get off the boat I
01:09:07
was faced with 28 um genuine Indians people and I said you know said I just read G's
01:09:15
autobiography no none of us have read it too long too long um yeah what's the what's the
01:09:22
general synopsis tell us that um some stuff that you saw at say icebergs you see icebergs no I wasn't that far
01:09:30
south um I always wanted to see a UFO or something like that now never had the privilege or if I have I've I've had me
01:09:36
my memory erased what about what about sea life like um all the US stuff yeah yeah all
01:09:42
the whales and ppus and um uh albatrosses and sea you know birds and all that kind of thing yeah that's I
01:09:51
almost take that sort of stuff for granted really but they're all out there it's that's where they live any any
01:09:57
close calls with um freight ships or anything like that not really no um I'm
01:10:04
a bit yeah I don't I probably don't look as much as I should you know it's called
01:10:08
being on watch but when you buy yourself in a very small boat maybe there was not
01:10:14
that I noticed what about when it's um when it's storming and there's like like mass
01:10:19
of massive waves yeah have there been times over the years where you thought [ __ ] this is this is it no I think this
01:10:24
is great like oh god well now what I like is I like the um the scale of what the sea can do I mean that's why I was
01:10:31
trying to sail around the world via the great capes I got down to about 40 42 de
01:10:36
South I had to go a lot further south if I was going to get around Cape Horn and the scale of of what the sea kicks
01:10:45
up when you're away from the land is just phenomenal the movement the the constant movement it's just so alive and
01:10:54
I really like that like it's just it's exciting you know um threatening as well
01:10:58
but but as long as you've got all your you've got yourself well set up and
01:11:03
you're in like a little it's like an egg you know that you're getting smashed
01:11:06
around that the the emotion the motion is is totally uncomfortable it's it's
01:11:12
for for a lot of people it's just horrendous but it's something you get adjusted to and then when you actually
01:11:18
see what's going on around you it's just phenomenal it's and and you just you
01:11:22
just um you shut over the side of the boat or and bucket in a bucket um yeah yeah I urinate in into a into like a
01:11:31
plastic bottle as well so you cut the top off it be a bigger bottle than this so you cut so you cut okay A little Flex
01:11:39
not to do with good in terms to do with volume of of liquid nothing to do with girth of penis all right I'm not making
01:11:47
those kind of crude jokes but you say so well these jokes are okay now if I was a
01:11:51
12-year-old cut it off cut cut so like so the thing is like like the amount of people that have been
01:11:58
caught found drowned like holding on to a back stay in the middle of the night with their trousers down having a piss
01:12:04
over the side it's huge what the thing is that you you um you urinate into a
01:12:10
bottle and then you pull that over the side same with a bucket you don't like
01:12:14
lean over the side and do a [ __ ] like the thing is to put put it in a bucket um and also get the lid on really
01:12:21
quickly and I mean the motion it's hard to it's hard to express but it's so so
01:12:28
dramatic like you know we we're sitting here now and we're going up and down
01:12:32
like seven M just in a moment and then we're also getting smashed across here
01:12:37
so like you know you you're you're bracing yourself the whole time because
01:12:41
the the motion is so extreme so when when you're trying to defecate on a bucket inside you can't go outside to do
01:12:49
it because it's it just there breaking waves and You' be washed over the side
01:12:54
so you're doing this ins and then you're trying to seal the bucket up so it doesn't you don't spill
01:12:59
it and I that that moving the that bucket outside without when you open the hatch to get it outside without getting
01:13:07
water coming in and getting all your inside we is just absolutely crucial like the massive
01:13:14
moments in your life like when you when you get to um yeah defecate in a bucket but even just talking about this
01:13:23
your eyes sort of light up I suppose like one one one like one moment of Madness or one sort of laps of
01:13:29
concentration and you you you're screwed absolutely so like everything you do on
01:13:34
Deck you hold on like a little monkey you go out there and I i' often grin to
01:13:39
myself in the in the middle of the night I'm trying to Reef the main Cil or change head cils and you just hold I I
01:13:49
wear a safety harness so you're still clipped onto the boat in case you lost
01:13:53
your holding and you're just going to end up when the water dragged along the
01:13:56
side um but but that wouldn't be good whether you could actually even get back
01:14:01
on board but you just hold on like like the emotion is so violent and you hold on in a way that it's just survival you
01:14:11
know but again it's quite exciting cuz it's it's cuz it's it's dangerous you do
01:14:17
love it and you've been working on boats recently like um you did a trip to pit
01:14:22
Ken Island to drop off some supplies I did three years doing that yeah um was back and forth yeah that was back and
01:14:28
forth that's like 2,600 mi from Tonga um we used to go up there and come back and
01:14:33
that was a proper kind of that was a different kind of boating that's that was you know industrial boating where
01:14:39
you're just on the ship and you're doing watches and yeah that's but I enjoyed
01:14:44
that as well you know very different style of boating yeah what what are you doing for work now same thing yeah but I
01:14:51
work on small tugs around the coast so recently I've been in cook straight that's where I damaged my shoulder
01:15:03
just and yeah so we move things around we tow things like at the moment we're Towing rocks
01:15:12
through cook straight from place called tyrai Golden Bay into Wellington Harbor and that's to do with the they're
01:15:21
putting the big rocks there to stop the um Hut River from flood next time it floods it won't be so devastating or
01:15:27
something like that so yeah so like Towing it's it's it's everything's Rusty
01:15:33
and has a potential to kill you you know the level of Jeopardy in terms of the Boating style it's very different to
01:15:40
sailing a small boat but again you're on the water you know yeah the people um
01:15:46
that you work with are they aware of your past life of course yeah yeah now they come to gigs and stuff we have a
01:15:50
good time together yeah and we play guitar together they act the skip at the moment Jason he's he's he's a really
01:15:56
good leag guitarist so um so yeah we we we amuse ourselves oh that's so cool
01:16:04
um I've got some miscellaneous ones here uh oh uh oh no no no um nothing jeez you're very quick on the
01:16:13
Bell um yeah one one of your one of your early mocker songs which I really really
01:16:17
love um it's called you only live once um you only live once so you might as
01:16:22
well do all the things that you want to then one of the one how old are you now 62 that's 61 61 yeah so 40 years old the
01:16:31
line is at 21 I never thought I'd be living on a boat upon the sea oh that was that when I was living at coxes bay
01:16:36
that's right yeah cuz I always wanted to do that so whilst I was I grew up living
01:16:40
in Island Bay and Wellington I had a friend who lived on a boat at Evans Bay and I just wanted to do that so when I
01:16:46
moved to Oakland with the band and and we were poverty stricken um living on a boat was a wonderful thing yeah and I
01:16:52
got to do it and then I bought this little one of those little Casio Keyboard players from a royalty check my
01:16:57
first royalty check $150 and I wrote that song on it yeah very big I think I had the same one like a CIO sk1 or
01:17:04
something yeah yeah and a good little bit of Kit it was great wi for someone who wasn't that competent as myself yeah
01:17:10
it was cool um what would that lyric be now like if you had to rewrite that song
01:17:15
you only live once at 61 I never thought I'd be working in the industry with things that might
01:17:23
potentially kill me we need some stion for that mate [Music] um oh come back always come back to e so
01:17:42
are you proud of yourself am I proud of myself I'm comfortable with myself uh
01:17:49
the word proud brings up what like the way it's like assessing one's existence and what one's
01:17:59
achieved not I I never try to go there I just look it I'm just it's just a
01:18:03
Continuum Dominic it's a Continuum of doing things you know and I've still got
01:18:09
things I want to do you know un unfinished business um unfortunately swery world uh was taken away from me
01:18:17
you know but I'd still like to be out in the sea there's a lot more miles I'd
01:18:21
like to put in by myself at of C land so if I get to put all those miles in um and someone says you're going to die
01:18:35
tomorrow then I'd look back on my life and come up with you know good better
01:18:41
best or or what you know was I am I pleased with what I achieved but at the moment I just don't ever go into that
01:18:48
head space just always looking forward yeah yeah are you are you mindful of the of the of the clock the clock of life
01:18:55
like um oh my uh my um partner's dad uh he's the same age as you 61 and he um he
01:19:02
loves doing motorcycle trips like ride across India or ride across Europe and he s to me last time I saw he goes um
01:19:09
I'm just mindful of of how many how many years I've got left that I can do this
01:19:12
cuz you know once I get to my 70s who [ __ ] knows ABS it made me feel quite sad Well it Well you know life is sad I
01:19:21
mean because we all have to stop you know let's turn the amp off Let's Get
01:19:28
Serious yeah know well it is it's a finite Journey maam it's it's so
01:19:33
unfortunate that we all have to stop you know when you look at the um the emotions and the love you know that that
01:19:42
gets imbued into all sorts of aspect of your life and people you know um it's
01:19:47
terrible that we all have to stop you know that's why religion um with a heaven and hell
01:19:54
perhaps was invented by people a long ago you know because it's hard to to uh
01:20:02
come to terms with the fact that you just stop you know and as you get older you know when I'm I'm 61 I look back 20
01:20:12
years I was 41 you know look forward 20 years I'll be 81 well there's a degeneration
01:20:19
physically that naturally takes place and you have to come to terms with that and and at my age it's a very real thing
01:20:27
you go okay yeah so there is a you know when you're 30 you don't really think in
01:20:32
terms of finite you know existence not not really like you do no no 100% I fully you maybe have a moment
01:20:41
a glimpse where you like if you lose a friend to some a horrible disease like cancer you might think about it but then
01:20:47
you just sort of carry on with your life I've um you I've noticed with me just
01:20:50
the last couple of years I've started looking at um age role models so like my
01:20:55
mom's in her 70s and she still runs marathons and I'll see I'll see the
01:20:58
Rolling Stones on TV and I'll Google MC Jagger and find out he's 80 and I'm like
01:21:02
okay so it is possible to have a good life for an old absolutely yeah but but you know Google 80 to 100 you know or
01:21:12
100 to 120 yeah yeah yeah it gets it gets leaner and leaner in terms of people that are living like full Rich you got
01:21:19
to be realistic but then again you can't be pessimistic you know I think you've
01:21:22
just got to go okay this is the trip we're on so you just make the most of it
01:21:27
while you can you know and and I think it um with our generation it's it's
01:21:33
quite optimistic because you know people are living quite healthy longer lives you know yeah you seem quite healthy I'm
01:21:43
doing my best but I can't promise anything I don't know I mean I look I look at people like um Dave mcartney and
01:21:49
gr braia you know from Hall saor they went out early 60s you know there's a lot of early 60s where catch up with you
01:21:56
gr braia he um yeah he he had a long association with um like drugs and alcohol though didn't he over the years
01:22:03
I can't speak for yeah me yeah maybe I don't know I thought there were rumors
01:22:09
yeah anyway um if you could go go back and give your your younger self one piece of advice what would it
01:22:16
be no ring the bell ring the bell should have got into the Marine industry a lot earlier really yeah it's it it
01:22:32
does s like being a small country like New Zealand that you can be like the absolute top of your game musically and
01:22:38
still there's no money to be made if anything you end up in debt it seems quite cruel in a
01:22:43
way I guess it is but you look at how many people have participated in making music and still do and I think it comes
01:22:51
down to the P primary thing is that if you enjoy making music then where that music takes you is of no consequence
01:23:00
because it's just the primary thing of just mucking around with it you know yeah see I'm I usually use open
01:23:08
tuning which is which means everywhere I put my finger sounds right it's a way easier to play way to
01:23:16
play guitar but I have an open Tune today but you know yeah I hear you what's uh what's the one thing that
01:23:23
people would be surprised know about you I don't know I can't honestly I
01:23:32
can't answer that question I think there's no there's there's I've got no
01:23:35
surprises really um yeah no you seem like you're quite an open book um what about your mental health how's your
01:23:41
mental health been over the over years that's a good one like said this has been quite a topic hasn't it that's like
01:23:46
even to be self um self-examining of of one's mind State um it's not something
01:23:53
that was ever sort of we talked about you know the loss of your bandmate um Steve in the 80s and that so yeah and
01:23:59
then John Coan had mental health issues shortly after that but I had Mike channan last week for a chat and he
01:24:04
talked about his EGR phobia and well I remember Mike is that's well documented
01:24:08
isn't it yeah yeah yeah and it's but it's not something that was ever sort of
01:24:11
labeled or talked about so I think it's good good good to be sort of aware of it
01:24:15
now see how I'm avoiding the topic by turnning my guitar okay no no no I'm
01:24:21
right with I'm just thinking you have an answer but I mean have you been like
01:24:24
mostly happy like everyone faces some adversity in their life but I mean what you know it's not all about happiness
01:24:31
man like like solo sailing a lot of that time is is so [ __ ] um difficult like uncomfortable and lacking sleep and it's
01:24:42
like oh this is but it's what they call secondary pleasure you get pleasure from
01:24:46
it having done it I guess it's you when you're putting in your Miles when you're
01:24:49
running hard surely there's a lot of pain involved there as well and a lot of
01:24:54
f but it's when you but you're trying to you'll get the satisfaction once you've
01:24:58
achieved the the the run is that correct yeah that's 100% correct yeah so secondary pleasure so um I'd say there's
01:25:07
the whole way along nothing's been been like oh I'm having a great time look you
01:25:12
know look at me look at me just GL glimpses it's like yeah it's kind of like it's always you're always I'm
01:25:18
always chasing you know trying to get the next song I like recorded or there's
01:25:23
just frustration the whole way along it's part of being a human you know so like I think this
01:25:28
whole mental health thing is being overplayed by a lot of people that take take advantage of it
01:25:35
um as a sort of compensation not a prize um I just think there's too much focus on Mental Health
01:25:46
when mental health is never going to be that stable and normal it's it's
01:25:51
absolutely normal to be happy at times I mean you look at all those people that came back from World War II and World
01:25:58
War I I mean no no one was talking about it but what was their mental health like
01:26:03
you know and what is me what really is mental health you know um if I was to say I've got great mental health because
01:26:11
I can I can cope with the unpleasant things that I think about and and pretend I'm I'm
01:26:19
really positive and healthy is that Mental Health wearing a mask in a way or fake it to
01:26:28
your make it I don't know well that's true so like but how you know what
01:26:32
constitutes mental health when you know as a human you're born to die I mean you
01:26:39
could start off you know you could hold that realization of death from day one if you were programmed with it
01:26:48
and what's your mental health going to be like for most of your life it's a
01:26:52
bleak thought yeah well because it's a reality so like you know how often do
01:26:57
you dip into that mortality trip and and get bummed out you know or have you found coping
01:27:06
mechanisms in your life in order to maintain a mental equilibrium yeah I don't know I don't
01:27:17
know I feel like you've given more given more questions than answers with that
01:27:21
with that [ __ ] better no but I feel like let's punctuate it with something more
01:27:27
important hey so this is my C is that is that a song is that an actual what song is
01:27:39
that it's called B so like this this song for me these chords for me are exactly a p personification of what
01:27:47
you're talking about can we hear that it's Melancholy it's Melancholy I feel like there's also like
01:28:02
a metaphor somewhere in there with what you do with your sailing as well it's
01:28:06
like it's much like life like these rough periods where you're not sure you're going to make it through and then
01:28:11
there's periods and moments I suppose where you're looking at the stars on the
01:28:15
full moon and it's just a blissful moment [Music] lot like life it's Melancholy and people
01:28:29
used to call being depressed melancholic that being melancholic melancholic is a
01:28:35
normal human emotion I think it's a really positive one you know I remember my father listening to bread songs you
01:28:41
know an Aubrey was a name not so orinary girl but who Su blame for a love that wouldn't play in they great song but mol
01:28:56
and's withing emotion so that's my whole at the moment is is melancholy so so you sort of saying like
01:29:07
in in life when you have sad moments cuz it's impossible to be happy all the time
01:29:11
you just got to lean into it a bit we just got to um ride roll with it you know um it's it's just part of being a
01:29:18
human because it's not just it's not all just you know all up and and fun no and
01:29:25
you you actually need the need some bad to appreciate the good right well I guess you do but but you know you'd
01:29:32
rather have no bad but people make Such trivial things into huge Badness you know I mean just look at all the reality
01:29:42
shows with you know Married at First whatever it's called oh that last season
01:29:47
was so good though but I know but that's because we enjoy watching other people
01:29:51
having problems you know but really I mean are these real problems I mean are you really going on this show you
01:29:58
know to get [ __ ] off of that person you know and then every and then all the world to see it you know I mean is that
01:30:04
really what you're there for yeah you know yeah it's completely manufactured
01:30:08
and I I'm full of self-loathing every time I watch an episode but [ __ ] it's
01:30:11
good oh you get sucked into all those sort of grity shows you know whether it's Survivor or whatever whether it's
01:30:16
that little kind of pissed off look from from someone about something I mean that's you know so you know it's a
01:30:24
there's a whole spectrum of emotions that we all have to experience as a human before we
01:30:28
[Music] die what do you what would you say your best qualities and worst flaws oh these
01:30:35
are Big questions you should have given me the these three weeks ago so I could think about a proper answer it's sick in
01:30:41
the industry night night what say it again what is it your best quality is and worst flaws best quality is spraying
01:30:48
myself with water you you have done a lot of that raining the Bell struming strumming my guitar and best qualities
01:30:57
oh for posture posture how's your posture don't um just just just no it's
01:31:03
not it's not great I don't think just def what would I don't I I honestly I
01:31:07
honestly the the people that love you like your boys what would they what would they say about you what are your
01:31:11
best qualities what would they say someone that knows you really well feel like I've got to know you a
01:31:16
bit better today but I still don't know the real Andrew andw [ __ ] I don't know
01:31:21
Dominic I mean best qualities uh um perseverance uh sense of humor hopefully always I always Veer towards humor um at
01:31:32
the worst of times if possible I don't know what's that is that a good quality
01:31:36
or a bad quality what what's the other one what's your worst things yeah your
01:31:40
worst flaws oh while we're talking best quality I'd also say from my encounters
01:31:44
with you over sh like 40 years now you've always been you've always been
01:31:48
particularly kind kind yeah I say you've always been nice I I've never had had a
01:31:54
bad experience with you well that's just human that's like that's just being
01:31:58
polite though isn't it you maybe but no no maybe but it's still but no I like
01:32:02
you Dom I would always be kind to you if I didn't like you then I wouldn't be
01:32:07
kind to you yeah I can be evil is that one of your worst flaws ability to be evil do you want another
01:32:13
big hit or what yeah let's give us a big hit no I can't I can't play the big hit
01:32:18
what players all my my strummy ones oh it's been plenty great today really appreciate your time oh good to
01:32:26
be here thanks to for inviting me Dominic yeah it's really cool honestly like if um if if 12y old me thought that
01:32:35
it's this is a funny thing about aging right cuz it's like to to me I feel like
01:32:38
you and I are like no different really in terms of Aging it's 10 years but when
01:32:42
I'm 12 and you're 22 it's like substantial you know I'm just this kid
01:32:46
that's a massive fan yeah course grown ass man and then the the Gap sort of becomes invisible really you know time
01:32:52
is a a strange thing like that like those mockers gigs we did where you you're playing to people your age too
01:32:58
where I was like when you were 11 I was 23 or something 22 and um yeah time goes by Dominic but
01:33:07
the the time um the time today has been has been bloody great and I really appreciate you bringing the props and um
01:33:13
I had way more to bring in being I know there was like a we walked to your car and you lifted up the back it's like a
01:33:20
station wagon and there was like so much stuff in there but Luna wouldn't carry
01:33:23
anything Luna the dog so I'll give you this boat this is for you Dominic so this is um this is called devil on the
01:33:29
morat it's there's a there's a whole movie that hasn't been made may never be
01:33:35
made it's called on plastic bag Patrol that goes with it he's devil on the
01:33:39
mar sailing the high seas and fighting up Bas double on the marad what is it is it like a kid show on the
01:33:49
marrow yeah it's a um it's called on plastic Patrol you've got a copy of the
01:33:55
book there as well um amazing yeah Andrew actually wanted to bring a his own fan in as well so that the um the
01:34:02
sales would be billowing yeah that that looks really good um but yeah it might have been a bit tight yeah but yeah so
01:34:08
that's that's a proper Sailing Boat that's a toy and there's a few thousand
01:34:12
of those around the world and you just throw it in the water and it sails at right angles to the wind it's what we
01:34:18
call a beam reach so it's all about introducing children to or anyone to um any C to to that to that's a six piece
01:34:27
injection molded little man there I like it how have you found today are you okay
01:34:32
with like reflecting on your life and things no it's good no I'm I'm all good
01:34:37
I'm all good as long as you you just cut all cut everything out and all it does
01:34:40
is start and then [Laughter] finish well there's um there's there's nothing that I'll cut out but I say to
01:34:48
all my guest if there's anything you want you want cut out if you wake up at
01:34:52
2:00 in the morning and have like a a mild sort of anxiety attack about anything you've said I'll cut it out
01:34:58
well what are you allowed to say you're not I'm not allowed say what you want
01:35:01
are we still you still on here now yeah yeah we're still recording is there something you want to
01:35:07
say when we stop you should we wrap it up now I just want to um you want some of this from the
01:35:15
okay oh that's nice isn't it is that just a performance thing or do you like
01:35:20
if you're just in your car getting hot do you s I've gone Beyond performance now Dominic it's just
01:35:26
me you know yeah it's like it is it is performance but it's actually also quite
01:35:31
nice it is it's very a little spritzer it's very refreshing um thank you so
01:35:36
much thank you for the Thank You For The Music um thank you for the influence that uh you had on my intermediate and
01:35:43
high school years um I told my sister a couple of dayso I said oh Andrew Fagan's
01:35:48
coming front intervie she's like are you going to are you going to try and be all
01:35:51
cool or are you going to tell him just what a psycho fan you were um I've I've
01:35:55
got no shame about it like I I I loved the music I loved what it bought to me um and it was probably a time in my life
01:36:02
where I was maybe confused about you know just being that sort of puberty age and not being sure of who I was or what
01:36:08
my place was in the world and the songs that you wrote then they um they really meant something to me and listening to
01:36:13
them again the last on Spotify the LA over the weekend knowing this was coming up just reintroducing me you know those
01:36:19
songs to me it's been um it's been a really cool experience I really appreciate that Dominic yeah good on
01:36:25
you thank you Andrew Fagen bloody great New Zealander one of the best not yeah done