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Every time there was a story about law
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and order in New Zealand, you would see
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your ugly mug on the
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>> [laughter]
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>> 6:00 news.
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>> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you became quite quite
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famous, I guess. Like the go-to guy.
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>> I became here the I became the leading
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uh
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really the leading spokesperson on
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leading um
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lay spokesperson
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uh expert opinion on
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on crime and and uh prisons.
