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Because when I first went to jail, you
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know, and I knew I was going to get out
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with a BA I already had a BA, you know,
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but a BA is not worth anything.
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>> Bugger all. Bugger all, you know, and I
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get out I'm going to get out at the age
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of 30, which I think is an old man in
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those days, of course.
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What am I going to do? My life's
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buggered. I'm finished.
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My whole life has ended, you know, so I
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thought, you know, and in my in my first
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few weeks on remand
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I started making plans. If I get
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convicted, what am I going to do? And so
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as soon as I got convicted, I started
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thinking, righto, I've got to try and do
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an MA in jail.
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Um because I don't want to get out with
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just a BA. I've got to try and make
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something of this bloody I knew I was
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going to do all the 7 and 1/2. I knew I
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was going to do 5.
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And because in those days there was the
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parole system was different. You had to
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do 2/3, you see,
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of your sentence. So it's
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5 years is 2/3 of 7 and 1/2. I knew I
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was going to do 5.
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Give or take a month or so. And um so I
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knew how long I was going to do, so I
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could plan out
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and which what you can't do now with the
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open parole system, you can't plan out
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how long you're going to do cuz you
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don't know. Cuz you're going to come up
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for parole after 1/3.
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But anyway, I knew I was going to do 5,
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so I planned out and managed to get
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permission from Jack Hobson, who I'm
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eternally grateful
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for, you know, for for giving me
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full-time studies and allowing to me to
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do something to make something of my
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life. And and if it hadn't been for Jack
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Hobson, the superintendent of Fremantle
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Prison, a wonderful bloke, a terrific
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humanitarian, I would never have been
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able to do what I did. I wouldn't have
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become a
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university professor.
