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Because when I first went to jail, you know, and I knew I was going to get out with a BA I already had a BA, you know,
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but a BA is not worth anything. >> Bugger all. Bugger all, you know, and I
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get out I'm going to get out at the age of 30, which I think is an old man in
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those days, of course. What am I going to do? My life's buggered. I'm finished.
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My whole life has ended, you know, so I thought, you know, and in my in my first
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few weeks on remand I started making plans. If I get convicted, what am I going to do? And so
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as soon as I got convicted, I started thinking, righto, I've got to try and do
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an MA in jail. Um because I don't want to get out with just a BA. I've got to try and make
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something of this bloody I knew I was going to do all the 7 and 1/2. I knew I was going to do 5.
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And because in those days there was the parole system was different. You had to do 2/3, you see,
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of your sentence. So it's 5 years is 2/3 of 7 and 1/2. I knew I was going to do 5.
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Give or take a month or so. And um so I knew how long I was going to do, so I could plan out
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and which what you can't do now with the open parole system, you can't plan out
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how long you're going to do cuz you don't know. Cuz you're going to come up
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for parole after 1/3. But anyway, I knew I was going to do 5, so I planned out and managed to get
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permission from Jack Hobson, who I'm eternally grateful for, you know, for for giving me
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full-time studies and allowing to me to do something to make something of my life. And and if it hadn't been for Jack
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Hobson, the superintendent of Fremantle Prison, a wonderful bloke, a terrific humanitarian, I would never have been
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able to do what I did. I wouldn't have become a university professor.