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[Music] Freddy Bennett welcome to my podcast thank you pleasure to be here I am very
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excited about this one yeah mate I'm I'm so pleased that you made the time to
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come here today um I I was thinking about how we structure this and I think it might be like a podcast of two halves
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so first half we'll get to know a bit about you fry Bennett and your backstory
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and your story and then um second half um just some maybe like sort of tips traps tips tracks pointers hacks that
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anyone can use for mindset and resilience and yeah the good stuff like that all the good stuff no worries yeah
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because you according to your website you help people get unstuck unfucked and Unleashed yeah which I love and um and
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and you've done the hard work and you've found the stuff out the hard way so um
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just a quick introduction Who is Freddy Bennett so Freddy Bennett is a guy to quite the opposite of my website used to
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be stuck [ __ ] Unleashed is it I would talk about the the the new me and the old me and and the old me lived a very
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different life uh you probably guess by now I'm from the UK original Al moved
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out here to New Zealand 3 years ago and um the old me had a very different life I was working in the corporate world in
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London uh at the age of 35 I was uh I was a director at a at a big Finance firm I had all the things I was supposed
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to have I had the the Rolex on the wrist the Porsche on the driveway I had the granite in the kitchen I had the ski
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holidays the young family but on the inside life was falling apart I was stressed I wasn't sleeping I was
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massively unfit I was overweight heavy drinking every night all the other uh paraphernalia that we say that goes with
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that that heavy drinking lifesty the coke yeah basically yeah what a WR a passage in the UK isn't it yeah it is
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you can't like put on your corn flakes so much in the UK and I was I was very
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much living this lifestyle um partly through my own design partly because I wasn't very happy with my life I wasn't
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really happy with who I was and now I look back I know I was trying to destroy that version of me but but that was me
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and that was my life and and that's why I felt stuck I felt stuck because I thought this is what I'm supposed to be
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doing this is as good as it gets as as someone living in the UK probably as uh as a man as well thinking look I was I
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was fitter when I was younger but now now I'm a grownup I've got to do the job
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thing and do the work thing and the beer belly and the poor sleeping and I was just living this life of quiet
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desperation and it was only when I thought what could I really be capable of achieving what what do I actually
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want to create with my life that I embarked on this journey as such but as I say five years ago I wasn't the person
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you sees that of that old version of me that um that was living this life that he didn't really want to live what are
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your weigh now cuz you're in good shape and what did you what did you weigh when
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you at your um your Peak weight well that's very C to say so I was I'm a bit
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heavier than I should be now so I'm about 79 kilos now at my Peak I was I was about 95 right so it different from
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what I've um from what I've read about you and the research I've done
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um would you say you were an alcoholic I or just a dude with a drinking problem gray area it's a funny one I've
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asked myself this question so many I definitely had a drink problem without a doubt I think that's why so many what
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they call Middle Lane drinkers middle class drinkers however you want to label yourself I would tell myself a look you
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know I don't have to drink a bottle of vka to go to work every morning even though I did sometimes have a drink
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before I went to work every morning I I told myself you I've got a job I've got
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a family I'm not waky up on a park bench I'm just a guy who who likes that All or
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Nothing lifestyle that's what we all say I'm all or nothing I don't have an off
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switch I'm the life and soul of the party G no break yeah exactly but the warning signs were there you know I
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would I would be more and more late for work I'd be getting into more trouble at
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work then you think well there was that time when I got chased out of a country uh because I was blind drunk in the
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Middle East where alcohol was illegal there was a time I got thrown off a plane there was the time when uh when I
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was in New York City and I had drug dealers holding a gun to my head and one of them actually pulled the trigger and
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and there was these these moments when you kind of you wake up and I think maybe we've all had these moments maybe
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not to such an extreme level you wake up and you think right I'm going to change
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enough is enough this is it going to change and then I would say to myself okay I'm this is it new me it's all
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going to change right after the next project right after the next birthday right after the next Christmas after the
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next pay rise after the next child there would always be something that would cause me to to to kick my my hopes and
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dreams down the road and and kick the real me in the guts so was I an alcoholic probably uh does I have a
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drink problem definitely um but it's funny I was very much one of life's
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victims and I always say maybe we'll come on to this I believe our lives are
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a story and you can be you can be the hero in your story or the villain in your story but both the hero and the
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villain start out as the victim and that was me I was a victim so I was saying it's my boss's fault it's my client's
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fault it's the economy's fault it's my wife's fault it's my kids's fault it's
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the traffic's fault it's definitely not me definitely not the drinking I was
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willing to point the finger everywhere but at myself it was only when I started to to literally look in the mirror and
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say this is not the way life's supposed to go this is not who I'm supposed to be
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that I actually started to make some changes yeah I love that there's um there's a book I've been reading over
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summer um written by some X Navy Seals called Extreme ownership and it's basically yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's
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basically all all about that it's just um yeah extreme ownership it's just
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owning absolutely [ __ ] everything owning all your [ __ ] um and uh I think a lot of people um kind of get a get a
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kick out of being a victim in a way um you know there's there's a lot on having
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a victim mentality cuz you get people saying oh poor you and and that can be an adrenaline rush for people but it's
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not going to get you very far in life is it I know I I used to love being let's I
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loved being a victim being a victim is great fun because you get to complain and let's face it complaining you got a
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choice do I complain about my problems well that's fun do I fix my problems or
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that that means doing things like going running that means having to have honest
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conversations that means having a harsh look in the mirror that doesn't sound
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very fun complaining is a lot more fun I always used to say uh every problem that
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you've had for longer than a few months is because you have become attached to
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that problem it's because you have decided to keep that problem so if you've got a money problem it's because
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really you decided to keep that problem got a fitness problem it's because you
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decided to keep that problem problem relationship problem client problem with a family member any problem that we have
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for longer than a few months is because we decided to keep that problem and for me that was a truth that I did not want
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to face up to I didn't want to accept that really I was the root cause of my
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problems as you said I loved being a victim uh victims we always say as well that um we believe that we're special
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and that we're unique so we say I've tried everything I've tried every diet
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I'm just you know being overweight runs in my family it's my metabolism my
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metabolism I've got a sweet tooth sweet dudes uh we always say I've tried I've
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tried uh I've tried every gym I've tried every exercise routine I've tried every
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way to quit drinking I've tried everything but I'm special really we we believe that we're different but we're
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not what there's what is the truth is that nothing changes until we decide to
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change it has to start with ourselves yeah hey hey you you brought it up before so I want to um pick away at this
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for a little bit the New York incident yes what the [ __ ] yeah that was a scary
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one I was I was in New York uh it was it was a stago bachelor party so um not not exactly like a like a
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wholesome Spar Retreat that's for sure so so you're trying to get some coke uh
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yeah basically and you you didn't you didn't know any dealers so you just went
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in in a street or something so this was the way it it went down so it's a very
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great summary of of of my lifestyle time I was in the UK we went to New York for
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a weekend for it was like a imagine Like a lowbudget Wolf of Wall Street that was
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kind like the lifestyle that I lived thinking that we were these high rollers but with a with a champagne roller with
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a with a beer budget and uh we were it was the last day of of the bachel party so I'd been partying for three days
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straight um I was all over the place we were been we've been in a nightclub tour
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3:00 in the morning um we were I kind of forgot where I was I thought I was in I
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was in England where all the drug dealers are friendly in England and it's like hello sir would you like some drugs
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oh thank you very much that would be lovely what do you have um forgetting I was in New York City where you have a a
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different standard of drug dealer as such so we were walking down the street and um yeah I think I haven't thought
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about this incident for a long time but um you know some guys come up ganed any drugs I was like well yes I would
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actually thankly enough at 3 in the morning uh this guy whose eyes were as wide as sources so yes I would and um
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long story short um I think during during the uh the the the procurement process should we say I kind have
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probably had a bit of a dose of reality that I need to be on a plane home in 5 hours time maybe maybe this isn't the
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best idea so I started to kind of back out of the transaction uh I had a I had a friend there as well what was it was
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it like um like an an an instinct thing that just something right with people it
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was weird like it was almost This Moment of clarity where I was like this this isn't going to go very well uh may I
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think it's probably a Moment of clarity as in maybe You' been parting too hard
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for the weekend and it's time to literally and metaphorically go home I think there was there were starting two
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moments of clarity into my life thinking I mean let's say I wasn't a 22y old I
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was 35 I had the family waiting for me at home um yeah I wasn't some some college kid I had responsibilities grown
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as me yeah and as it all things in life what what goes up does come down I was probably on a on a very massive Comedown
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so I was like you know what thanks but no thanks I'm going to go on my way uh
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that the said drug dealer he kind of said well no basically and then to cut a long story short I I I thought that I
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was in the UK kind of having a bit of banter a bit of backwards and forwards kind of like just taking the piss
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basically uh and then when the guy punched me in the face it became very serious and I used to have this this you
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very big blingy uh Rolex at the time and he was like they tried to grab the the watch off my wrist and I was like no no
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don't don't take my watch it's my identity my identity that's who on the
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Rolex I'm the Rolex wearing Guy this is me and uh and then so he he hit me again
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and uh and then they they marched me to an ATM to a cash point and then he said um you're going to take out all your
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money right now and if you try and run we're going to [ __ ] kill you and I was like right this is serious and then
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um so I kind of I tried again talk my way out of it not the best idea I probably wasn't at my my most coherent
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at that stage and then that's when the gun came out and they they they pushed
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me against the wall against the ATM forced me down onto my knees shoved the gun I felt the barrel pressing into my
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temple and then they uh and then they pulled the trigger and it was that kind of thing where I didn't realize it had
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happened until it happened I don't know if if there was a bullet in the gun I
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don't know if it jammed I don't know what happened all I know is I heard the
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click and then you kind of I was in this weird kind of fight Orly Instinct and it
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wasn't until afterward I thought [ __ ] they've just pulled a trigger on the gun
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and um and then here's the part that that's half half funny and half stupid
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so they pick me up again and then they said right your money's coming out now
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and uh I got the card out put it to the machine and then in the the the bravest and the most stupid thing I've done in
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my life I actually did the whole what's that over there and they looked and I
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ran and you talk about a running podcast I have never run so fast after them saying if you run we will kill you I ran
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and um my hotel was only probably a couple of blocks away I have never I ran across roads I didn't even look for
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traffic I just sprinted I literally ran running for your life for my life yeah and I um I threw myself through the
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through the hotel doors and I remember there there's no uh there's no alpha
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male here there's no machismo I ran through the hotel door going like help me help me help me ah they're trying to
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get me and then they um and then they called the police the that the NYPD turned up and again when you've been
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partying all sorts of ways for three days having a conversation with two police officers uh wasn't wasn't the
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best thing to have and then um but bless the NYPD turned up and in a very New York way I'll try I'm sorry for the
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accent then they were like sir have you been shot and I was like no they were like okay sir have you been stabbed I
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was like No And they were like so what and well they were really mean and they pulled a gun and they were like well
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this is they were like Welcome to New York off go go to bed and then obviously didn't go to bed and then got up the
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next you a few hours later uh not really sleeping got on a plane home and the funny part at the end of the story is um
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is I got home obviously you know feeling very hung over very tired very sorry for
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myself having that whole kind of maybe I should really have a look in the mirror
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and and change my life unpacking my suitcase unpacking my shirts and everything and I pulled out a bag of
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cocaine and I was like now I know why he was so angry at me because I stole his drugs after all and I was like oh
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actually I really understand what he was that's why he was so annoyed with me I
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didn't realize he'd given me theug I was iel I felt guilty I was like oh I was like oh I bet
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he's going to get into trouble with his boss cuz I took his drugs I didn't pay
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him and um and yeah that was that was just one one of the stories and but the funny thing is and I said I laugh about
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it but it was it was deadly serious um that's when I kind of I remember sat there amongst all my clothes on the
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floor thinking well Freddy you know you you're a family man you're you've you've
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you know you're 30 now you've got this career maybe maybe here's a warning sign
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that you you should maybe change your life but I didn't and that that wasn't
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even the The Rock Bottom that was a warning sign and I said to myself as we all do after a heavy weekend no more you
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know I'm not going to do this but within a week's time I was back in the bars I I
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made myself all the promises that we tend to make ourselves around uh you know I'll I won't drink Spirits I'll
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just have a couple I'll drink at weekends I'll start running and uh I would start running for a while funnily
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enough because then I I would have earned a beer at the end of it uh so I literally started running to justify my
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drinking um all these signs were there until say I finally hit that Rock Bottom it's it's hard isn't it it's um for
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anyone that um has had that moment where you sort of reassess your relationship with alcohol um there there's always a
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lot of false starts but you only need to get it right once that is one of my favorite phrases definitely yeah but
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it's it's hard isn't it because every time you you say you're going to do
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something and then don't your self-esteem drops a little bit you feel like you've let yourself down you feel
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like a loser or a failure definitely but I think trying and failing is better than not trying at all well this is what
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I say and you I'm I'm a proud failure I've I have tried and failed a thousand
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times I failed to to change my drinking habits I failed to start my running habits I failed in relationships I
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failed in diets I failed thousands and thousands of times but as you say what I firmly believe is you only need to get
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it right once then then you win then Life Changes forever yeah so you get back from New York
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um by the way I'm alarmed you didn't stop then um but do you tell your wife
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straight away do you walk in the door and like like burst into tears do you feel guilt or sh what what are you
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feeling at that point I felt guilt I felt shame um was I totally honest no um the reason being I didn't really want to
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ask for help because I we always talk about a journey I'd been on a mental health journey in the past and the funny
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thing is and I always talk about the the real version of the story and the Hollywood version of the story we all
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know the Hollywood version PE someone and I say in many cases men but but obviously for for both sexes but but I
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know for men they always say you know suicide is the biggest killer for men under 45 we are Our Own Worst Enemy
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literally and metaphorically so I struggled with my mental health and I did all the things I was supposed to do
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I put my hand up I asked for help I quit drinking I got the therapy I read the I
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read the books by Robins I had the podcasts by Goggins I tried to feel the fear and do it anyway I even practiced
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the subtle art and not giving a [ __ ] but it didn't work and that's the hard thing
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in my head I was thinking I've I've done all the right things I've done the man
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thing I've done the difficult thing I've asked for help but I still didn't feel
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fixed as such you know again maybe it's a male thing but I think in my brain
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like a like a like a car um the car's not working you take it into the into the auto shop into the garage they have
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a Little Tink around and then it's working again I thought hang on it should be the same in my brain I've Li
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I've cried the tears lay on the couch got the therapy why aren't I fixed now
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and that's why I came home from New York and I kind of I it wasn't to my wife it
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was to my friends my family uh to everyone I was like yeah you know heavy weekend good fun and then you I put the
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mask on and I believe that we all wear wear the mask we we believe that that we should be this person who people expect
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us to be and this is one of the the big discoveries for me it was I thought to be a quote unquote success to be
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confident to be resilient I couldn't have any weaknesses I had to have this mask on all the time that yeah I have
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everything under control I'm fit I'm healthy I'm successful I'm sociable I'm
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the life and soul of the party all these things but it really meant that I was like a photocopy of a photocopy of
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someone who I didn't really want to be and because I had this pressure to to to
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conform to to maintain this this mask this facade I felt I couldn't tell anyone what was really going on because
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really um I didn't have that that confidence and you talked about you keeping promises we make to ourselves
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it's funny the the word um confidence comes from I think French that derived
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from Latin and it's it's con fider con means intense federe means trust so the
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um the the meaning of the word means intense trust so we do not have confidence because we do not trust
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ourselves we do not trust ourselves because we keep breaking the promises that we make to ourselves so every time
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we say I'm going to quit drinking and we don't we break a promise every time we
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say I'm going to go for a run to tomorrow morning the alarm goes off at 5:00 a.m. and think oh no way we break a
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promise we make to ourselves and then we say well why aren't I confident that's
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why when we start keeping the promises we make that's when our confidence grows
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but at that stage I was breaking promises to everyone especially myself and that's why I had no
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confidence you you were still quite high functioning though I like you were um you were getting shut done I was getting
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[ __ ] done even well I thought I was doing [ __ ] better I thought the more I screwed up my life the better I was
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before me and partly this was uh again a lie that I told myself because I said to
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to work a to work a high power job it's very stressful I need alcohol need to
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let off some steam yeah I need I need alcohol to let off some steam to to to work to entertain clients to to perform
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at my best people won't want me around in the bar I loved it alcohol is is is
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derived of this demon demonic poison I would be lying if I I didn't love it I
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walk into a bar have everyone go yay Freddy's here I really got a high off that um it made me feel good it made me
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feel wanted we all I believe we all want to live a life of meaning we all want to
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feel like we belong we all want to feel like we can have the power to make things happen and alcohol gave me that
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so yeah I that's what I told myself I I thought maybe I should quit my drinking
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habits I thought but you've got a Porsche on the driveway things life can't be that bad I was like maybe I
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should do some exercise but you you were promoted last year you've got you've got
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a marriage of some description you have children who don't always hate you uh
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and it's always funny we we we always have a way of convincing ourselves and I
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believe that's because our brains um ironically and and quite paradoxically want to keep us safe I I believe as as
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humans uh from from Evolution we're designed to to sit around and seek pleasure and and sitting around drinking
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so my brain again was saying to me you have a choice you can choose discomfort which is doing something difficult hard
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like quitting drinking or you can choose Comfort tell yourself a story tell yourself you get to quit next year tell
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yourself um you're just unwinding that people love this version of you that you
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can't you can't let people down by quitting drinking you know what would
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they say at the wedding that you're going to next month what they say at your birthday and that be fair that's
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what people did say to me they said oh where is how [ __ ] it was I had a nickname for myself
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Funtime Freddy and they'd be like oh where where's Funtime Freddy where's
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Funtime gone it's okay here he is Tada um but it's very much like that life of
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a clown where um in the spotlight I enjoyed being this this drunken Entertainer but when I was off the stage
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that's when the darkness and the sadness came in do you miss it at all what do you
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what do you miss about it I I miss a lot about it I something about the kimar like I don't like doing shots of tequila
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or Fireball or Jager myep but I do love the camaraderie of you know clinking the
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glasses and then pulling faces afterwards and yeah I missed the camaraderie I miss I missed the buildup
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kind of like and we had this a lot over Christmas you know the the the the trip to the Bottle Shop the the what's it
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going to be what what wine am I going to get are we going to get J or vodka May let's get both and uh you know all that
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almost that that um uh routine the anticipation yeah the anticipation of it uh that's what I miss I I probably miss
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everything that happens before 900 p.m. uh you know that that's when times are
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fun when it's you know when you're having the laughs when you're making the
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memories everything after 900 p.m. I don't miss but um yeah all that yeah that that buzz that you get when when
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all your worries have have slowly drifted away um that that is what I I still miss but um but then I think about
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everything that comes after 9:00 p.m. and the days after um and that's what I
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I really found when I failed to quit so many times because I thought it was a case of will power I thought it was a
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case of going cold turkey you know White Knuckle it and um try and beat the demon
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as they say beat the demon it doesn't work like that for anything that you're
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trying to quit isn't about leaving something it's about going towards something so I wasn't quitting alcohol I
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was choosing better sleep uh better running better relationships loving myself more confidence I had to be going
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towards something that's why I think I failed so many times I had no I had no
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meaning to move towards I had no goal I had no I had no reason as such and and it's strange to say
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um my wife my kids my family my job it wasn't strong enough reason and that's
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why I see so many people that try and change their life they're trying to do
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it for someone else they're trying to do it to impress someone many the changes
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we make in our lives it is down to guilt or obligation we're doing it because we
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feel guilty or because we feel obliged to please someone else it isn't until
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you say no I'm going to do this for me for my goals for my life even though a
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lot of people are going to call me selfish that's when you start to actually get on the right path and start
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to make things happen yeah I I um watched a podcast with um do you know steo from Jackass yes I do yeah I used
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to love Jack and he um he he battled with um drug and alcohol issues for years and he had a
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really good point he said um alcoholism and addiction is the only disease that um when when you're cured from it your
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life gets gets better because any other disease like cancer you want to get back
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to your old self again yeah that's the Benchmark but this is the one thing where your life is going to be better
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it's it's a funny one and and I do think steo is an interesting concept here's a
00:25:55
a theory that I've been toying with and playing with for a long time time is
00:25:58
that you you cannot deny your true nature and I know so many people who have gone on a sobriety Journey also
00:26:07
with things like with with food and exercise as well I believe you cannot deny your true nature so I know who I am
00:26:14
I am uh quite quite a dopamine addict I am quite all or nothing I do like doing bold Brave stupid things in the past
00:26:25
when I call this like the New Year's Day syndrome in the past I would wake up and
00:26:29
I'd say right I'm going to be I'm going to have the life of a monk I'm going to
00:26:33
be going to bed at 8:00 every night I'm going to never let a swear word Escape
00:26:37
my I was trying to be someone who I wasn't and I think so many people actually try and when they change their
00:26:43
habits whether it's starting a habit or stop stopping a habit they try and change who they are I think that's like
00:26:50
um trying to build a house on top of an oak tree sitting yourself up for B exactly I think you you cannot deny your
00:26:56
true nature and it's about trying to direct direct that true nature into more
00:27:00
of of a positive path but I think if you are a certain type of person if you have
00:27:05
a certain type of personality if you try and totally kill that old version of you
00:27:09
it's going to come out in certain ways it's like the artist who says uh I'm not
00:27:14
going to be an artist I'm going to go and and get a proper corporate job eventually they will self-sabotage it
00:27:20
because deep down all they want to do is be an artist um that's so I believe if
00:27:24
if we put oursel in life situations if we try and hide who we truly are then we'll find a way to self-sabotage it let
00:27:32
the real version of us through and that's why so many people fall off the wagon because they are trying to change
00:27:37
a habit but they're also trying to kill that version ofs who they really want to
00:27:41
be so what was the last draw was it was it a Vil or was it it's a really funny
00:27:47
one in a way it's quite poetic because you kind of you had the drug dealer and
00:27:51
and the gun thing yeah yeah yeah and I was like for most people by the way most sensible people that would be it yeah
00:27:56
that would be it yeah you call it warning sign definitely but um it was funny that the real robw bottom was a
00:28:02
lot less a lot less Hollywood a lot less glamorous I it was the 8th up to the anniversary of it it was the 8th of
00:28:08
March uh it would have been 2019 uh I believe and um I came to it was a Thursday i r Brickley I came to I
00:28:18
was guess say woke up but game Consciousness is is the right way of saying it uh in a in a strange gray
00:28:25
hotel room in the middle of a gray hotel next to a Gray Highway on a gray rainy UK day I woke up didn't know where I was
00:28:36
I kind of staggered my way to the bathroom kicking away discarded miniature bottles of of Jack Daniels and
00:28:43
empty beer cans just kicking away the Detroit us on my way to the bathroom turned on that harsh bathroom light I
00:28:51
looked in the mirror and I honestly thought there was a stranger in the bathroom I was like who is this guy
00:28:56
looking at me and I realized it was me and I saw uh I saw the the massive beer belly I saw the yellow chipped nicotine
00:29:06
stained teeth the bloodshot eyes the wrinkles and I just had this Epiphany I was like who is this person and then all
00:29:15
of a sudden um it all came flooding to me these questions around who had I always wanted to be when I was a child I
00:29:22
had all these hopes all these dreams I wanted to become this person and looked at myself and I thought I am so far away
00:29:31
from that person and that was the moment when I decided to change I always say if
00:29:35
you want something you've never had before you must do the things you've
00:29:39
never done before and I wanted the health the happiness the confidence the self-belief the meaning in my life and I
00:29:48
thought if I want all these things I've never had before then I need to do what
00:29:52
I've never done before and I was thinking what's the one thing I haven't
00:29:55
done before and then a voice said to me stop drinking that's why I thought right
00:30:00
that's what it has to be and I hadn't mentioned even um you my dad had died 6
00:30:05
months earlier and he died very suddenly and I'd watch I watched him die it was
00:30:10
one of those moments when um I was obviously hung over at work I was kind of doing that The Hungover office thing
00:30:16
and you you you see that work like the heads the heads in the chin and you kind of like try to type with one hand like
00:30:22
that just thinking 5:00 5:00 almost there another another few hours and the rang and and they said look your dad's
00:30:30
in hospital so I had to leave work with nothing but my suit and my laptop bag what what was it uh what with my Dad
00:30:37
yeah so he had some kind of uh bow condition which I think he'd been keeping secret from us whether it was
00:30:42
bow cancer we don't know he wasn't getting any treatment so he knew he was
00:30:46
unwell so he knew he was unwell but he hadn't told anyone and uh he I think he
00:30:51
had a like a serious problem with with his intestines and the doctors basically said look he's he's too unhealthy he was
00:30:57
a heavy Drinker heavy smoker lived a very fast life on his fourth wife by the time he died and um and they said look
00:31:04
he's he's too unhealthy to operate so they I jumped in the car drove 300 miles
00:31:09
the doctor said well nothing we can do time to time to say goodbye and um he didn't know that morning that that day
00:31:16
was to be his last uh and none of us did and I certainly didn't know that was
00:31:21
going to be his last day and that was almost it planted the seeds for everything I do now for what I call the
00:31:27
the new me cuz I think he didn't know he was going to die that morning there would have
00:31:31
been a moment that afternoon when the doctors would have told him and he would have thought oh [ __ ] and then I all I
00:31:39
still to this day wonder what regrets went through his mind what were the things when he that he always wants to
00:31:46
do what were the things when he was saying oh I'm going to do that one day but I haven't got the time I haven't got
00:31:51
the money haven't got the confidence all these things and that's why it planted
00:31:55
the seeds for everything do now isn't about crazy challenges isn't about
00:32:00
Extreme Adventures it's about time and it's about living that life that epic
00:32:06
life where we have a life without regret and then fast forwarding it back six months following to me in that looking
00:32:13
in that bathroom I just thought I am living this life of regret if I died now and let's face I was trying my best to
00:32:21
to make that happen if I died now I would regret so many things and that's why I knew I had to kill that old
00:32:26
version of me and start to to rise like a like Like a Phoenix from the ashtray uh to become the uh the new version of
00:32:35
myself can you remember the last conversation with your dad was he coherent in hospital or was he uh no he
00:32:40
was unconscious in hospital so the last conversation I had with him uh would have been a couple of weeks earlier we
00:32:46
we had a strange relationship he um yeah it wasn't the kind of like father son
00:32:51
watching the rugby at the weekend kind of thing and we we'd speak we gone on
00:32:54
well but we we wouldn't see each other for six months we would speak every couple of months on the phone and then
00:33:00
i' I'd visit him and we' we'd get through about four or five bottles of
00:33:04
wine then we'd be able to have a proper conversation and then I'd see him again
00:33:07
a few months later um but I knew I I knew he I knew he loved me and I knew that he wanted the best for me he just
00:33:15
couldn't really show it himself um but that's what I thought I truly believe
00:33:19
now I believe everything that happens in our life um it's either a lesson or a
00:33:24
blessing or it's both and I truly believe now that when he died I had that choice I was either going to take myself
00:33:31
down a road that was going to follow him very quickly or I had to to make his death mean for something I had to to be
00:33:39
able to create something good out of it and I thought about my own kids and I thought what Dad do I want them to have
00:33:45
the dad who's the the life and soul of the party who's going to be getting more
00:33:49
hung over who's going to be getting heavier who's going to be just making
00:33:53
these excuses that he can't play with them all these things that we know or could I turn into this this kind of this
00:33:59
almost superhuman dad that my kids actually thought was cool still haven't achieved that I wouldn't think they they
00:34:05
cool yet the older they get the how old are they by uh they are 11 and nine now yeah no they're they're approaching that
00:34:11
phase where you're you're going to be the the biggest sck in the play yeah
00:34:14
basically but um but I was like it's all about being who who I want to be and I
00:34:19
always one of my my mantras is it is never too late to become the person who you were always meant to be yeah and
00:34:26
that's what I thought I was I was saying after it was 35 36 part of me was thinking is it too late just accept it
00:34:34
just just let yourself go every guy does like guys in our 30s go into 40s like it's fine like be at the weekend do the
00:34:42
job have the kids like that's the way it's supposed to go that's what Society
00:34:47
wanted me to do that's what my friends wanted me to do because that made them
00:34:50
feel better so to take a different path was so painful and so difficult and so scary but I thought I still have to give
00:34:58
it one shot just to see what I'm truly capable of awesome so that was like 5
00:35:03
years ago it's been coming up five years five years yeah hey just while we were
00:35:07
on you Dad fun fact about him so he he worked um for or with Steve Jobs in the ' 80s yeah definitely so my dad was a
00:35:14
was a creative genius uh his his side of the family was always slightly dodgy so
00:35:19
so his dad my uh you know my my paternal grandfather my family came from Burham he was in horses so he uh he sold horses
00:35:27
is to uh to a group of gentlemen who are today known as the peaky blinders so that's the kind of circles that that my
00:35:33
family moved in yeah my dad in the'80s uh again very good with computers very
00:35:39
creative he uh he invented as he says um the first ability to record sound on computers so um he had this massive like
00:35:48
BBC computer on the kitchen table and he would try and speak into a microphone and then the computer would play play
00:35:55
the the recording back to him and that was like a re moment back in the' 80s uh
00:35:59
so yeah that led him from a number of connections to to go out to to the US next thing I knew we were moving to
00:36:06
America because Dad was working with Steve and um amazing yeah and it was just like Steve and I I think I met him
00:36:12
once and um I I was eight eight years old at the time so um I didn't know it
00:36:17
was like Steve as in Steve Jobs I just thought oh there's a a guy called Steve
00:36:22
we Skies every day yeah exactly and uh with my dad being my dad again he was creative genius very kind of that way of
00:36:30
thinking terrible at business um terrible at relationships so we found ourselves back in the UK 18 months later
00:36:38
no money no house and obviously no jobs and um I always wondered did that lay the foundations for me in terms of
00:36:47
growing up you know everyone says like I'm going to be a I'm going to be an
00:36:50
astronaut I'm going to be a sports star I'm going to be an athlete I'm going to
00:36:54
be a massive business owner all I wanted was stability M that's why I had a chaotic household with my dad's drinking
00:37:01
my parents' relationships all this you going backwards and forwards to America
00:37:06
uh you know one one month we'd have money next month we'd have um the people
00:37:11
the debt collectors knock you on the door and I'd be hiding I'd be answering
00:37:14
the door while my parents hit hi in the sofa and all I wanted was stability and again I so I said to myself I just want
00:37:21
a job where I get well paid where I get a paycheck every month and I can just live what I saw was a normal life um and
00:37:29
it's funny again going back to who we are and our true nature I told myself I
00:37:33
wanted that when I had it because I didn't really truly want it because that
00:37:37
wasn't truly who I was I was doing everything in my power to subconsciously sabotage it and destroy it yeah I've got
00:37:45
a similar Journey he similar similar sort of story I know it's like the more
00:37:49
assets and things I accumulated the more I realized they were the things that I thought were going to make me happy and
00:37:54
they just weren't it's so funny and I uh I was listening to to a recent podcast
00:37:59
they were saying that we all make the mistake of we accumulate the money and the things because we think that will
00:38:04
lead to the lifestyle but the real trick is to live that lifestyle that we truly
00:38:09
want and then work out how to monetize it or then work out how to at least uh create enough money in our life to to
00:38:16
live that fulfilled life yeah um but yeah I look back now I'm not going to lie again there were moments there are
00:38:20
Still Moments especially when I make the mistake of look your LinkedIn which is the worst thing you can do I see all all
00:38:27
my kind of all my old colleagues in the corporate world so and so's managing
00:38:32
director at Goldman Sachs and so and so it's like partner at HSBC and all these
00:38:37
things I kind think ah do I I kind of do I miss that and like they must be the money and the lifestyle but then I know
00:38:45
I wouldn't really be happy and I think you you must only be willing to swap lives with someone if you're willing to
00:38:52
100% swap the life so just saying oh I'd quite like their pay packet isn't enough
00:38:57
would you like the lifestyle the hours where they're living who they're living
00:39:01
with and and that's when I kind of undo a lot of my jealousy because I said I'd
00:39:05
like some of it but would I really life Swap and finally it's been a journey but
00:39:10
being happy with where I am and what I've got I I can't give that up for
00:39:14
anything yeah well so why uh why the decision to move to New Zealand uh in a way it was a long story
00:39:21
way it was a quick decision it um we've always wanted a family adventure and
00:39:25
again this is is very much what I talk about and what I stand for isn't all about ultramarathons and crazy runs it
00:39:31
is living that life without regret and I know that that you someone may want to to try an adventure in a different
00:39:38
country or a new job or a new business or whatever change they want to make in their life and we were it was the UK it
00:39:45
was during covid without getting too political there's like brexit and everything else and and we again we were
00:39:52
living in Liverpool in the UK I'd had the the Porsche that I'd been had so
00:39:57
attached to them being stolen and all these things and all these it's funny how these signs come into your life
00:40:03
saying like maybe it's time to change something uh my my wife is a doctor so
00:40:09
um she she's a children's doctor I'm not a medic but whatever specialism she has
00:40:14
they needed here in New Zealand and then the the job offer came up for a year and
00:40:19
that means we were allowed into the country during co uh we did the miq thing which was two weeks in a hotel
00:40:25
with with the kids would have been a couple of years younger so like nine and six then oh my God but here the thing we
00:40:31
we had never been to New Zealand before and uh so living in the bay plenty which
00:40:35
is is a beautiful part of New Zealand I had to look it up on a map and um it's
00:40:40
crazy looking back now so the middle of Co never been to New Zealand no friends no contacts no network no nothing just
00:40:50
jumping on a plane we landed uh and they they said you're going to a place called
00:40:54
Rotorua for your miq and I was like well where is that is that North isand South
00:40:59
isand no idea and it was literally taking that step into the unknown and that's why I say when we you know
00:41:05
talking about stepping out of your comfort zone doesn't have to mean a crazy ultramarathon or a marathon or it
00:41:12
could be going to live in a different country or or a different hobby or a different crit or whatever it is and I
00:41:18
knew that if I stayed in my comfort zone in the UK I was always going to regret it and it's funny that the people that
00:41:25
we told when we said you know we're going to New Zealand and they everyone says oh I'd love to do that I'd love to
00:41:32
but I can't because of the job because I've got the elderly parent because the
00:41:37
kids are in school there's always a reason there's always a reason why we
00:41:41
can't change and I said yes there's always a reason not to go but that doesn't mean that we can't there's never
00:41:47
going to be a perfect time we have to make it the perfect time to change and that's why I strongly thought at that
00:41:53
moment I could have said okay we'll wait until Co blows over wait till the kids
00:41:58
are a bit older wait till my business is a bit more settle there would always be
00:42:01
a reason to stay but I thought no we have to go now we have to make it happen and uh and we did I haven't been back to
00:42:08
to the UK yet um I don't I never say uh I never say forever but um for now yeah
00:42:14
there's nowh else I'd rather be it has been difficult it has been a challenge
00:42:18
um it does feel a long way away from home sometimes but the thought of of staying in the life where I wasn't happy
00:42:24
I'm always wondering what if um that that that feels like the biggest pain on
00:42:29
Earth to me but you you can't give New Zealand um too much credit for your happiness because it's um that's an
00:42:35
internal thing right so if you're unhappy and you don't change the fundamentals and you move to a different
00:42:39
country you're still going to be miserable you you've had to do the work
00:42:43
and you got to you got to own that uh yeah I I think I I do have to own it really and and it's difficult especially
00:42:48
being British we kind of like self uh self-deprecating and um but I someone said to me once going I with a running
00:42:56
metaphor um they're like Freddy are you running to something or are you running
00:43:00
from something both I Reon yeah probably both and um it's it's funny it's always
00:43:06
a a paradox because because you could say well if happiness is an inside job then I should be able to create my own
00:43:11
happiness wherever I live as you say but then also I think well if I'm in a situation that's making me unhappy
00:43:19
either geographically in a relationship in a job then then surely it's my responsibility again to take ownership
00:43:25
and and leave that situation and that's something I've always wrestled with with the people of my my
00:43:31
wife said to that why can't you just be happy and friends who didn't want me to
00:43:35
leave the UK why can't you be happy where you are I always find that's quite
00:43:40
a get out clause we say to ourselves yeah could be worse suppose I should be thankful suppose I should be grateful
00:43:46
and this is where I had to give myself some harsh truths and and this is where many people say to us oh you're so
00:43:53
selfish you're so narcissistic you oh it's all about you isn't it like you know what [ __ ] yeah it
00:43:58
is about me because ultimately I know I will be like my dad was and there will be a day that's my last I think so many
00:44:06
people they give themselves the get out clause they say oh I'd love to do that
00:44:10
but the kids oh I'd love to do that but um but I'd be letting someone down again
00:44:16
so many times we we fill our days doing things that we don't want to do because
00:44:21
of guilted obligation we fill our calendars with other people's goals and dreams and then we get regretful and
00:44:28
resentful because we haven't followed our own path and that's why that's a lot
00:44:32
of reasons why I drank I know why people uh may turn to to alcohol to drugs to sugar to Netflix to porn to whatever
00:44:40
their Vice of choice is it is because of a deep-seated unhappiness they are not living the life that they want to live
00:44:47
and I think that's why for me it wasn't about once I was on the path to live the
00:44:51
life I wanted then I knew if I want to be on this path then I can't drink anymore that makes it a lot easier than
00:44:58
saying alcohol's bad I can't drink I shouldn't drink I'm a bad person I think
00:45:03
that's that's again an interesting Paradox about change because everywhere
00:45:08
on social media everyone always says change change we need to change our life change our mindset change your habits
00:45:15
all the gurus like to talk about change but I do believe that if we are going through our days saying I need to change
00:45:23
I need to change we're almost implying to ourselves that we're broken we're not
00:45:27
good as we are that we need to be fixed imagine going through every day saying I'm not good enough I need to be fixed I
00:45:33
need to be fixed so I think sometimes maybe we don't need to change maybe we
00:45:37
need to actually embrace who we are in the path that we're on and once we do
00:45:40
that then we can adjust the aspects of our habits our mindset our knowledge to to achieve what we want to achieve yeah
00:45:48
yeah I I I like um doing the best I can and just trying to get a little bit better each day definitely so I suppose
00:45:53
that's that's changing in a way but it's just um yeah being being being a bit kind to yourself
00:45:59
as well something I've struggled with better yeah and I think we we all do that and I the kindness is is a crazy
00:46:06
part and it sounds a bit soft and fluffy self love kindness but um but I think a
00:46:12
lot of it is through acceptance and a lot of what I I did in my past life is because I was extremely harsh on myself
00:46:21
again I I was running from something I I was even after exercise but that wasn't
00:46:25
good enough that wasn't fast enough you should you should be out there you should be up at 5:00 a.m. any any
00:46:31
sentence that starts with you should or I should be doing this that's when I
00:46:35
know I'm not being kind to myself and I always knew that when I was when I was
00:46:42
reaching for a vice and like I say anything around chocolate alcohol porn screens Netflix sugar anything it's
00:46:51
usually because we're either stressed bored or lonely MH we would rather reach
00:46:56
for viice of choice than accepting we're stressed bored or lonely and it's only
00:47:01
when we start to say well maybe it's okay if I'm stressed bored or lonely if
00:47:05
I accept who I am we always think we need to accumulate new things to be worth more we always think I need to be
00:47:12
worth more I need to have the the material things I need to have the the personal bests I need to have the cars
00:47:20
the shiny objects because I am worth more because of deep down I believe that I am worth less I am worthless once you
00:47:27
start to fix the aspect of maybe I'm not as worthless as I thought I was that's
00:47:32
when the viices go away that's when we start to actually live the life we want
00:47:36
rather than chasing the things that we don't really want to impress people who
00:47:40
we don't really like God I'm very guilty of that but it's frustrating because um I I
00:47:47
I'm well aware that happiness needs to be here and now because if it's something you're chasing you never going
00:47:51
to you're never going to find it um but it's yeah you can see it in slogans on
00:47:55
Instagram or whatever but uh um implementing it into your own life is another challenge isn't it oh I know I
00:48:00
call them slogan dispensers on Instagram and and you're totally right um you know
00:48:05
happiness is they call it losery confidence is the same that the more you chase it the uh the faster it moves away
00:48:11
from you like a catch really uh it's so yeah the more you chase it the further
00:48:15
it moves away so I was chasing happiness I was chasing confidence and it was moving further and further away um but I
00:48:22
always slay yeah with the with the slogan dispensers and this almost goes back to when I to fix myself um because
00:48:28
I would read the books I'd listen to the podcasts and my my company they would
00:48:33
get the the dreaded motivational speakers in and I'd be there on the front row with the notebook think oh
00:48:38
this this is it I was always searching for that missing piece of the puzzle I always thought this is the course this
00:48:45
will be the speech this will be the podcast that gives me that missing piece then I'm going to change my life um but
00:48:51
what I really found is that I couldn't relate to these people and and that's
00:48:54
why I I go on my J to prove to people what a stressed depressed unfit overweight mid manager a corporate can
00:49:02
do because I'd be sitting on the front row it is difficult to listen to the billionaire Tony Robbins telling you not
00:49:10
to worry about money and relate to it it is difficult to have uh the Navy SEAL Joo or David gogins saying to me conquer
00:49:19
your mind and I was like yeah but I've got the kids and the mortgage and the
00:49:23
work deadline okay Mr SAS Mr Navy seal but I'm not that I'm just this overweight guy who's uh who's not
00:49:30
enjoying his job right now it is difficult to have some privileged Adventurer telling me how climbing
00:49:37
Everest will solve all of my problems but I can't climb the stairs without getting out of breath so I couldn't
00:49:42
relate to any of these gurus any of these slogan dispensers who were telling me to change my life and and that's why
00:49:49
I thought if I'm going to do this if I'm going to step into who I really am if
00:49:53
I'm going to find this life of meaning then I need to totally through out the
00:49:57
rule book through out the the self-help guides and and try and create my own way
00:50:01
of doing it do do you see the irony that you are sort of that person now you're
00:50:06
you're you're a motivational speaker and you're doing crazy [ __ ] we'll get into
00:50:09
this in a second the ice Ultra so there's going to be people sitting in the audience now that are like you 10
00:50:16
years ago like oh this guy it's crazy I do I do see the iry definitely and what
00:50:20
I I say to myself and and what I say to people and they say oh you know is this okay for you you've you've run the
00:50:25
Sahara Desert I'm like yeah but I'm not an athlete like I I come from this
00:50:30
background where you know I was the slowest kid in my class I I was not athletic I still have asthma I used to
00:50:38
go for a run with a cigarette for to increase my lung capacity uh that's the
00:50:44
kind of athlete that I was um I I don't have this athletic background my my background as I say was a 2-hour train
00:50:51
ride to sit at a desk for 10 hours to do a job I hated and then have a 2our train
00:50:58
ride home and then I would then go for a drink so I had the courage to walk through the front door deal with the
00:51:04
kids for an hour and then drink myself to sleep on the sofa that was my background not an athlete not a Navy
00:51:10
SEAL not some privileged adventurer who grew up cling Mount Everest I'm an everyday guy who just chose to do
00:51:17
extraordinary things and that's why I believe that anyone for me it's the
00:51:21
Arctic or the or the Sahara Desert or anything else but it is the same process whether someone wants to go to the gym
00:51:29
for the first time run a 5K start a business end a relationship move to a different country start a new hobby all
00:51:37
of it involves developing the right knowledge the right mindset the right habits to step out of your comfort zone
00:51:44
and step into who you really are and those lessons can be applied to anyone yeah yeah it's about um chasing good
00:51:50
dopam man isn't it exactly and again and how whatever that is that makes you
00:51:53
happy exactly and again it's about embracing Who You Are so I accepted that this is this is who I am the the problem
00:52:01
turns up is if you accept that you are a an All or Nothing type A sociable life and all the party it's when you start
00:52:09
saying that is a bad person to be I can't be that person I need to be someone else now it's when you start
00:52:15
saying now this is who I am maybe I'm going to start loving who I am and just
00:52:20
focus my energy to more constructive aspects than destructive aspects yeah that's the key part
00:52:27
so we're recording this um in early February 2024 um you're like a week two
00:52:32
weeks away from doing the ice Ultra what's the ice what's the ice Ultra uh
00:52:35
the ice Ultra is uh it's pretty much the world's toughest coldest foot race so
00:52:40
I'm flying from New Zealand 12,000 miles to North Sweden traveling up into the
00:52:45
Arctic Circle and then it's a 250 to 300 km ultramarathon over 5 days towards the
00:52:54
North Pole uh so it's temperatures of minus 50 no idea what that is in Fahrenheit but very very [ __ ] cold
00:53:02
and uh carrying all my own food and Survival equipment on my back running the equivalent of of anywhere between 50
00:53:10
and 65 kilometers a day and uh and try to survive in these conditions not just survive but actually Prevail move
00:53:18
forward and uh complete this race and obviously training for it here in the New Zealand summer has not been ideal
00:53:24
but um but it's all about proof and as I say to me what's important is proving
00:53:29
that we can do the things that we thought we couldn't do and as I say there's so many slogan dispensers out
00:53:34
there you we've all heard the phrases step out of your comfort zone the power
00:53:38
of mindset be more confident and I thought at the start of my journey why not prove to people why not just
00:53:46
actually prove what we are capable of achieving and that's why I'm on this
00:53:51
very very cold very frosty Mission I say minus 50° running across from frozen lakes over wind swep
00:53:59
mountaintops trying to avoid polar bears and wolves and and just seeing what what
00:54:05
I can what this broken down ex-alcoholic corporate worker can can achieve to prove to people that they can achieve
00:54:12
their goals as well I've got so many questions about this race so where do you sleep uh so you sleep in uh in very
00:54:19
basic tents I think they're um they are the traditional uh nomadic people that I
00:54:25
think were were called esos in a different time whatever the addal name is for them now uh they they have tents
00:54:31
made out of of like wolf skin I think so they pitch a couple of those up basically we are and all the competitors
00:54:37
stay in there there's about 30 people in the race uh all the competitors stay in
00:54:41
them together it's a kind of thing you try and light a fire we have to keep the
00:54:45
fire going all night to keep warm so it isn't that race where you you run around
00:54:49
for a bit go to the hotel for a hot shower and a hot chocolate and a nice bed it is living surviving sleeping out
00:54:57
in the coldest place on Earth so you're sleeping in the gear that you're running
00:55:01
pretty much uh yeah so I think the way it's going to work is I'm going to be
00:55:04
running in gear you make a fire taking the gear off to try and get it dry because it's going to be soaking wet
00:55:10
with the the ice and the snow and the sweat get some get some thermals on so I'm going to carry one spare pair of
00:55:16
clothes like the dry kit get that on sleep in that then get up the next morning hopefully the running kit is dry
00:55:23
and uh then then get that on again and free freeze dried meals uh y freeze dried meals all the way so I know
00:55:29
there's some some great kiwi uh freeze dry meal providers and R nutrition baby
00:55:35
well I hear they're the best so uh so yeah to to keep me fueled on the journey
00:55:39
so yeah I'm taking a party pack of those getting the hot water in there uh it's
00:55:44
crazy actually we're told we have to take a minimum of 2,000 calories a day which doesn't sound very much to me so
00:55:49
I'm going to be taking a lot more than that we should be burning about 10,000
00:55:53
calories a day and uh I'm not good when I'm hungry so I'll be taking a few extra
00:55:58
meals um and then just trying to keep going but it's it's a thinking race
00:56:03
that's the uh the challenge and thinking for me is not easy at the best of times
00:56:07
but in this race you think about the food think about your nutrition but your water freezes your gels freeze your
00:56:14
chocolate freezes everything freezes within 90 seconds so I say with with other races that we do you think yeah
00:56:21
I'll have a gel I'll have a a chocolate bar whatever it is if you take peanut
00:56:26
butter it freezes so it's always about thinking what what has the lowest thoring point how do I I had some
00:56:33
interesting ideas of where I could store food to uh to keep it warm uh that probably isn't very hygienic to be
00:56:39
honest Christ so um so yeah it's about it's about trying to again at least no
00:56:44
one will try and steal your snakes yeah exactly it it might not taste very nice better no one would try and St this
00:56:50
tastes like ass and uh yes so saying where where could it be around around that so it's
00:56:57
all about thinking about nutrition race strategy all in this environment where if you stop for 90 seconds you start to
00:57:05
freeze hypothermia comes in frostbite comes in and and that's why I say I think the biggest challenge on this race
00:57:11
physically it's going to be tough but mentally to to keep going and also to actually think about what I'm going to
00:57:18
have when I'm going to have it all the strategy around that it's going to be a
00:57:21
Minefield and what do you wear on your feet uh so it's going to be snowshoes
00:57:25
which I've been trying to get used to so I've got trail running shoes three pairs
00:57:29
of socks and then the snow shoes to strap on when uh when needed and again trying to run in
00:57:35
snowshoes sometimes when you're running across the frozen lakes it's just on Ice
00:57:39
which you hope is is quite thick there's I've been I've been running on thin ice
00:57:43
for many years in my life so hopefully not on this occasion now and then sometime the snow could be a meter deep
00:57:50
that's when the snowshoes come out I knew people that have run the race and um a snowshoes broke uh the strap on the
00:57:58
Snowshoe broke they had to take their gloves off try and fix it they got frostbit and they're out of the race and
00:58:04
that's what I think scares me the most it's that something out of our bit like
00:58:08
life something out of our control can happen that can totally derail us and I can talk about ownership and all these
00:58:16
things that sound very know very deep thinking and Macho and all all this stuff yeah take ownership and extreme
00:58:22
ownership but you always think in life when something tiny happen happens that's out of your control that totally
00:58:28
derails everything how do you react and and that's why I it's one of my rules
00:58:34
for life around how how you react in times of chaos and and that's what I'm
00:58:39
truly interested in because we could all perform when times are good when when life is good when the sun is shining
00:58:46
when you're going for a nice run along the beach and you've you've had your
00:58:50
eight hours sleep and you've got your your mindset podcast on and you're
00:58:54
nicely fueled and you've had your water and everything's fun and cool I know you
00:58:59
can perform on those days but what about the days when you've had no sleep because you're worried about money and
00:59:06
the kids are sick and your boss has shout at you you've had an argument and you mental health feels like it's
00:59:13
falling apart and the strap on your shoe breaks and the traffic lights are red and all this [ __ ] happens in your life
00:59:19
can you still perform on those days now that's what I'm interested in how can
00:59:25
you perform when it feels like everything in your life is turning to chaos I think that's when we can truly
00:59:31
understand who we are and we can really understand what our potential is I always believe that you can your
00:59:37
performance will rise to the level of your problems we only Truly find out who we are we only Truly find out how we are
00:59:46
capable of Performing when we overcome bigger and bigger challenges and and that's I may have a few of those to uh
00:59:52
to put myself through in in the future so uh so it's going to be interesting to
00:59:56
see what happens yeah well it's it's going to be fun it's going to be a lot
00:59:59
of fun it's you must find this as well I'm I'm a little bit older than you but
01:00:03
as you get older you realize you know the the days turn into weeks the weeks turn into months months turn into years
01:00:07
and unless you schedule memorable things like this the years just roll into one don't they it's true and uh I've been
01:00:15
looking at this uh this concept have you heard about the uh the misogi concept no
01:00:20
what is that uh this is so misogi is a a Japanese word which means I've definitely pronounced it wrong um but
01:00:26
but uh the derived from a Japanese process it's called water cleansing so apparently the tradition in Japan is
01:00:33
once a year they go and stand under a cold waterfall and it's like this this
01:00:37
Soul cleansing so it's kind of like pressing control alt delete on um on your mind and uh now how it's evolved is
01:00:44
to everyone to have a a misogi which is a year defining moment so it's doing
01:00:49
something that defines your year so you can look back so for me like this is my misogi I can look back and say 20 24 my
01:00:57
misogi was running across the Arctic again for someone else maybe it's the year they started a podcast maybe it's
01:01:03
the year they started a business maybe it's the year they did a 10K but it's
01:01:08
thinking to yourself what is the one thing that's going to Define my year and
01:01:12
it has to be something that that that scares you that you're not sure that you
01:01:16
can complete because otherwise as you say we kind of drift through life like was someone said to me today oh you know
01:01:22
where did January go and as we get older time does go quicker so it is about I encourage everyone and
01:01:28
part of this is is part of my mission to help people lead an epic life I say unless we can take control of Our Lives
01:01:36
again our calendars get full of other people's goals and dreams we we put other our bosses our colleagues our kids
01:01:42
our family I'm not saying we we have to be totally selfish but unless we take
01:01:46
ownership and say this is going to be the year that I do X and we put it in our calendar then it's not going to
01:01:54
happen so so I encourage every one and my again my my coaching clients to to say let's let's create that that misogi
01:02:00
for you you have your one big year Challenge and there a number of micro Adventures I always talk about having a
01:02:06
Micro adventure every two months which may be a concert it may be a it may be a weekend hike it doesn't have to be exp
01:02:13
expensive but again dizinga a year if you create enough days that are powerful then you have the
01:02:21
powerful weeks and you have powerful months that's when you look back and say
01:02:25
holy [ __ ] 2024 what a year because otherwise we just look back and you think 2022 what happened there think oh
01:02:33
something covid obviously and then and then you look back 2015 what happened there and unless it was a a birth a
01:02:40
marriage death or a divorce we tend to not remember the years and that's why I
01:02:46
kind of get angry and I get angry because I think how how dare we live these lives where we perform less than
01:02:54
what we're capable of doing every every one is capable of doing amazing things
01:02:57
and it doesn't have to be a physical challenge again it could be the business
01:03:01
could be the book of poetry it could be Pottery could be whatever but I get so pissed off when people hold themselves
01:03:07
back from their potential haven't got the time that's a big one haven't got
01:03:10
the confidence haven't got the money if only if only well think let's let's make
01:03:14
it happen because no one deserves to live that life that I lived that life of Qui desperation I think everyone
01:03:21
deserves more than that yeah how's your mental health now uh Prett pretty good
01:03:25
happen up and down I think is the honest answer I I I would I still freak out on a
01:03:31
regular basis I'd like to say I can control it better um even yesterday I think now now this race is coming so
01:03:38
close I kind of joke about it I like oh [ __ ] I guess I got to do it you made that joke when we were first and then um
01:03:46
I was like yeah but but I do have to do it and this is where self-doubt for me is Big impostor syndrome is really big
01:03:54
and I've um I've learned this concept around uh around what we What's called
01:03:58
the partx and uh we all have this partex within ourselves is basically it's Our
01:04:03
Own Worst Enemy it it's Our Own Worst Enemy who is designed to to to screw up
01:04:08
our life it's Newton's third law every every Force has an equal and and opposing force acting upon it so however
01:04:18
much we want to push ourselves forward we have an equal and opposing Force within ourselves trying to pull us back
01:04:25
back and that's what I call my partex that is the part of us that says you can't do that you're too old you're not
01:04:32
good enough that's the part of us the way you look in the mirror uh that says
01:04:36
oh getting a bit old aren't you you're too old to start that business you're
01:04:39
too old to find love you're too old to start the new career you're too old to
01:04:43
walk into a gym and I have that massively again I say looking looking around at my uh my happy friends with
01:04:50
their normal lives and the the great careers I'm like oh Freddy what have you
01:04:54
done um so yeah I still struggle with my mental health a lot and I always find I
01:05:00
try and find a quick win you whether it's a green light whether it's your
01:05:04
toast falling butter side up whether it's something you know a kind word from
01:05:08
a child whether it's great gratitude but it's always thinking that there's a
01:05:12
quick win a quick win because failure especially mental health failures are not final unless unless
01:05:21
your failure is your last failure there's not really a failure I I I strongly believe that our best
01:05:27
opportunities are always ahead of us so this is where I say even if I'm having a
01:05:31
bad day A bad week A bad start to the year the best opportunities are always ahead of me and that's what we always
01:05:39
have to remember I believe the best days are always in the future I love that I know I said at the um the outset that
01:05:45
we're going to do like a podcast of two halves the fruity story and then some um
01:05:49
takeaways for others but I feel like it's been sort of peered through the whole chat it's been really inspiring
01:05:55
mate well thank you um and it's funny like I never I never went out to to to
01:06:01
be an inspirational person and I went out to try and create the best version of myself I think so much of what we try
01:06:08
and achieve in life does come down to ourselves you people in in the business world for example they say why why don't
01:06:15
why don't people trust me more it's because you don't trust yourself why
01:06:18
don't why doesn't my team have more confidence in me it's because you do not
01:06:22
have confidence in yourself why don't people listen to me it's cuz you don't
01:06:27
listen to yourself why don't people love me well then that's maybe because you do
01:06:32
not love yourself and and I truly believe that the the journey that we all have to go on it has to start with
01:06:39
ourselves and we always say how's how's 2024 going to turn out I can see the
01:06:45
future I can I can perfectly predict the future 2024 will be exactly the same as
01:06:51
2023 unless you're willing to change something yeah and and that's what I
01:06:56
found and and again with me and I know I talk about change and do we actually want to change or or is that a good
01:07:01
thing or a bad thing but it's that that willingness to try something new to to
01:07:07
surprise ourselves to embrace ourselves rather than I say being a photocopy of a
01:07:11
photocopy of someone else if we are willing to embrace who we truly want to be who we truly are then um that's when
01:07:20
we start to be on our own true path and that's why I say it's never too late to
01:07:23
become the person who you are always meant to be are you proud of yourself you love yourself
01:07:29
now I asked this question because it's I think there's a lot of parallels with
01:07:33
English in New Zealand um you know sort of call it stoicism call it what you want but um it's a it's a it's a tricky
01:07:39
question for us to answer without seeming I don't know braggy I guess I know and it's that British stiff upper
01:07:45
lip um am I proud of myself I kind of cringingly Say Yes um I'm I'm never
01:07:53
satisfied and there's there's the uh the song from the greatest showman again
01:07:57
show my mat show that's why I'm not an sas Navy SEAL guy I'm like this is me
01:08:02
and the greatest show but it's it's that song of of Never Enough um that I long
01:08:06
is um I can't remember the full word yeah all the stars that you steal from the night sky um all the all the all the
01:08:12
gifts that move by will never be enough and and for me that's the case and my no
01:08:18
one understands this not my wife not my friends not my family um I said why did he just Why did he just stop um
01:08:26
you've you've got the medals you've got the world records you've done the races
01:08:30
the Arctic is that GL the last thing and then are you going to stop and I kind of
01:08:34
think I'm not [ __ ] no absolutely not and I'm like and and and it's weird I don't
01:08:38
say this in this kind like Alpha no don't quit way um I almost say it with a
01:08:43
tinge of sadness because I would part of me would love to stop I would love if I'm totally honest you get the you get
01:08:50
the real truth out of me on this podcast I never usually say this it's like a
01:08:53
therapy session I think if I'm truly honest I I would love to be that person
01:08:59
who who could just be happy who could and that's why maybe I missed the old me
01:09:04
the old me who could just be happy just watching the sport on the couch with a few beers just getting quietly slushed
01:09:11
on a Sunday night I kind of missed that guy sometimes but I know again in my true nature there always has to be
01:09:18
something more maybe and I if I say maybe but I know I think if I stopped then that dark shadow of depression
01:09:26
would come back in then the alcohol be more appealing and that's why I know for
01:09:31
me I can't stop um but say for someone else whether what whether their thing is
01:09:37
writing poetry or baking or being a great parent or knitting or jogging whatever it is I think if you find
01:09:44
something that lights up your soul that doesn't hurt anyone else that makes you
01:09:50
think this is what I love to do this is who I am then why should you ever stop why should you ever quit surely you
01:09:56
shouldn't want to quit who you truly are I love that you mentioned a world record before what's the world record so
01:10:03
yeah the world record was was a funny one I'd like to just sprinkle that in there um the world record came about
01:10:09
after um after I ran across the Sahara Desert I did the the marathon disable the the world's toughest foot race and
01:10:15
yeah in the Sahara it's incredible run yeah that was a it was a crazy run and
01:10:18
um again when I signed up for that that was the start of the journey so I couldn't run a kilometer what I signed
01:10:23
up for that race did that did the crazy run came back and this is a funny tieing
01:10:29
because I thought that was going to be it for me I I'd done the race I it was a
01:10:33
journey as they say I'd had the transformation it was kind of like the the hero's journey had come to an end
01:10:39
I'd done the media I'd written the book uh I'd grown the social media account
01:10:44
and I kind of thought oh hang on I've got a story now that I could dine out on
01:10:48
for the rest of my life and I could tell the tales from the Sahara Desert and then the Depression started to creep
01:10:54
back in the the pizza menu looked more appealing the beer looked more appealing and I could feel the old me coming back
01:11:01
in again that dark shadow of depression and then one day I was talking to my kids and I was doing the whole like kind
01:11:07
of son you proud of me are you proud of your dad run across the Sahara Desert don't you know yeah and they were like
01:11:14
oh god dad I'm so bored of that I'm so bored of you talking about the desert I
01:11:18
was like what what don't you think I'm a great and they were like no Dad I'm so
01:11:22
bored and then they got the the Guinness book of record for Christmas and they said Daddy we want you to break a world
01:11:29
record I was okay and I thought well i' obviously done a bit of running by that
01:11:34
stage I thought let's look at the running world records and they're all really bloody fast like world's fastest
01:11:39
Postman world's fastest cheerleader world's fastest post box like they're
01:11:44
all like sub three hour marathons running marathons dressed at these crazy characters it's it's crazy even the
01:11:50
world's fastest marathon with a like a stroller with a baby it's like a sub
01:11:53
threeyear old Marathon crazy and I I I was good at running but I wasn't that
01:11:57
good at running and then so I thought well yeah can't can't do that can't do
01:12:01
that and then there was this thing around the world's fastest fisherman and then at this stage what does that even
01:12:07
mean it means the fastest marathon dressed as a fisherman and at the time we uh we lived in Liverpool which is by
01:12:14
it's a big Maritime City it's by the docks you know by the ocean my kids were
01:12:19
at that age where they loved fishing and they Lov sharks they loveed the sea and
01:12:23
they were like and we saw this 4 hours 45 minutes was the record and I was I could do that I could you know by then
01:12:32
my marathon time was about I think 4 hours 15 was my PB so I was like I could do this yeah 4:45 4 yeah I could make so
01:12:42
I wrote off uh know you have to write off you have to to apply break work yeah and then I kind of forgot about it and
01:12:49
you the kids were like Daddy break a world record daddy break a world record I was like shut up okay just to keep you
01:12:54
quiet I'll do the world record and then I wrote off forgot about it and then a
01:12:59
few weeks later the email came back and they were like challenge accepted you you know your your world record attempt
01:13:06
is on I like what was this again and I always thought that it was you know fly fishing like you know carry a fishing
01:13:13
rod have the waste coat and the Hat with the feathers in and I was like this this
01:13:17
is quite Pleasant and then they send you the three pages of rules that you have to follow and they meant like Deadliest
01:13:24
Catch fisherman so heavy waterproof jacket heavy s Wester hat heavy waterproof trousers carrying a 3 kilo
01:13:33
fishing box that had to weigh 3 kilos and wearing gum boots wearing we call them Welly boots in the UK the the
01:13:43
rubber gum boot Wellington Boots having to run a marathon in those that's what I
01:13:50
thought [ __ ] this is this is actually going to be tough and there's um good
01:13:55
metaphor for life here cuz I then fast forward I was standing at the start line of the Liverpool Marathon 20,000 lra
01:14:03
clad Runners there then there was me standing there looking like a cross between a serial killer and the world's
01:14:11
shittest male stripper there in this big yellow waterproof outfit with my waterproof B with my fishing uh fishing
01:14:19
box and my gun boots about to run this marathon it's a funny thing having 20,000 people pointing at you laughing
01:14:27
at you shouting at you that you're going to fail and I still had to take that
01:14:31
first step and then another step and then another step I think it's a metaphor for life that sometimes we have
01:14:38
to be prepared to look stupid to go after what we want and we have to be prepared to have people laugh at us
01:14:44
laugh at our goals shout at us tell us we're going to fail and yet we have to
01:14:49
move forward anyway and I took a step and another step and it was horrific my um yeah my my toenails fell off about
01:14:56
halfway around I was like what's this rattling in my boot I was like okay and
01:15:00
then like the sweat was all ping and there's nowhere for the the sweat to evaporate it was all pulling so then if
01:15:06
you ever walked in like those Welly boots those gum boots that are full of water it's like squish squish squish
01:15:11
squish trying to run and the Clock Was ticking and I came around the corner the final straight and I thought this is
01:15:17
going to be close and um and I thought oh no that I went into that tunnel vision and you get the Roaring in your
01:15:24
ears and the vision goes to black and white I thought oh [ __ ] I'm going to
01:15:28
pass out here I'm going to pass out spectacularly inside of the Finish Line I thought I'm going to miss the world
01:15:35
record by a couple of minutes and um and that's why I thought this is this I'd
01:15:39
rather spectacularly fail than then just miss it by a couple of minutes I thought
01:15:43
that's what's going to happen but again I'm going to have to carry on anyway
01:15:47
even though I think I'm going to fail and then just as I was about to pass out
01:15:51
I kind of stopped and I halted and I felt this little thing in my hand I looked out and it was my son's hand in
01:15:58
mine and he jumped over the barrier and he' grabbed onto my hand and he said
01:16:02
Daddy come on you can't stop now and then my other son jumped over and they dragged me over the Finish Line pretty
01:16:08
much and so the pictures in the paper you all see like me kind of about to pass out and my son's running ahead of
01:16:15
me and um and just crossed the finish line and collapsed and and yeah broke the record it was 4:37 I got it in so um
01:16:23
so broke it by a few minutes but it was crazy yes so I can now say I am and I've kept that record now for about
01:16:29
four years so eight billion people on the planet I am the world's fastest fisherman and um and I'm still I still
01:16:35
Carri the scars on my heels from it it totally took the backs off my heels uh it was a horrible ending kind of there
01:16:43
was there was like a family having a nice British picnic at the Finish Line bit like here in ockland you had the
01:16:47
Finish Line at the park family having a nice picnic and I kind of collapsed next
01:16:52
to them lying on my back feet in the air my kids are trying to pull the Welly boot off me trying to pull the gum boot
01:16:58
off me and they're like heave heave and they're like it's not coming Daddy it's
01:17:01
not moving and I yell heave and they pull it and this gum boot flies away and then this mixture of Blood Sweat skin
01:17:11
toenail just goes flies into his family's picnic and um and yeah and I was like but I'm a world record hold
01:17:19
they weren't impressed yeah we uh we we kind of ruined their day but um that's
01:17:23
what happened but um but yeah it's it is about crazy challenges and and I and I
01:17:28
laugh about it and and it's a bit of fun I love to go into schools talk about how
01:17:32
the um how the kid who was the slowest kid in this class became the world's fastest fisherman but I truly believe
01:17:38
that we have to be prepared to get laughed at people people say my goals are crazy I would say someone else's
01:17:44
goals are crazy who cares as long as it matters to you as long as it lights up your soul as long as you don't get to
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that day that my dad got to where you look back and think about a life regret and that's what I car care about who
01:17:57
cares if they laugh it's Elon Musk that says first they laugh but then they applaud and and that is that life of
01:18:05
saying be prepared to look stupid be prepared to to be laughed at but nothing is worse than living a life of regret
01:18:11
people laughing at us a short term but that success that achievement those stories live with us forever yeah that's
01:18:18
cool what a y I um I agree with that so much I I had this crippling fear of failure I think for for maybe the first
01:18:24
40 years of my life now I'm really leaning into it because it's like yeah
01:18:28
what's the worst that's going to happen someone's going to laugh at you yeah
01:18:30
well they're a [ __ ] idiot exactly yeah someone whose opinion doesn't really even matter to you why would you
01:18:37
why would you take that on board or stop it from living your best life it's crazy
01:18:41
I see this so much and I still suffer from it a little bit like um you know with with some of the Social Media stuff
01:18:47
that I do in the back of my head I still think my my old boss there in the UK will be there saying oh what what's
01:18:52
what's Freddy up to you know when you going to grow up and get a proper job and these sorts of things um I I think
01:18:59
it's such a crime that we don't do what we want to do we don't live the life we
01:19:02
want to live especially on social media so many people are scared to step out of
01:19:07
that shadow they've created for themselves because they fear judgment they fear people laughing at us and I
01:19:13
think well let them laugh and I I kind of believe I don't think this is 100%
01:19:18
true but the phrase goes that anyone who is doing better than you anyone who is higher up the ladder of su success than
01:19:25
you will never laugh at you people that are below you that will laugh at you and
01:19:30
I I do know some people who kind of yeah like to belittle others but I think they
01:19:34
the opinions of other people do not matter at the end of the day uh it is our life that matters I did an exercise
01:19:42
a few years ago called an introduction from God and that probably mean with with a small G so we don't open that
01:19:49
religious kind of worms but call it writing eulogy if you prefer how would you like people to talk about you how
01:19:55
would you like to be introduced through the Gates of Heaven and that's when I
01:19:59
started to think I actually wrote it out you know write out your own eulogy it's
01:20:03
a really powerful exercise and then technically every decision that you make after that you should be saying is this
01:20:10
decision moving me closer to that life that I want to live to that person who I want to be or is it moving me further
01:20:17
away I am I try and take a hell yes or hell no approach to life and that that saying is if I have a decision to make
01:20:26
if I'm not saying hell yes to this then it has to be a no and that is such an
01:20:31
easy thing to say and such a hard thing to do if I'm not saying hell yes to this
01:20:36
decision then I'm saying no because we all say oh I don't really want to do it
01:20:40
but I said I promised I wouldn't but I'd be letting someone else down but people
01:20:44
would laugh at me but people might not like me anymore so I'm going to have to
01:20:48
go and do it anyway but you've only got so many days you've only got so many
01:20:53
decisions to make in your life so why not start making them for you rather than for someone else yeah time is such
01:20:58
a precious resource isn't it so infinite definely is um is are you familiar with
01:21:03
the phrase to Poppy syndrome is that a big thing in there I am it's it's not a
01:21:06
thing it's a thing but it's not a phrase in the UK but I've heard it a lot being
01:21:10
here definitely that's a massive thing it's like what you were talking about
01:21:13
before you said anyone that's doing better than you or is more successful than you is never going to laugh at you
01:21:18
or mock you it's always it's a tall poppy thing um in the states I think
01:21:21
they call it like crabs in a bucket as well it's like a crab tries to climb out
01:21:24
of the bucket and the other the other the other crabs will try and drag him back down again definitely um but it's
01:21:29
dumb and you can't you can't let it hold you back from living your life no I I
01:21:33
totally agree and I think if I'm totally honest with myself did I start to use
01:21:37
tooy syndrome as an excuse because I I again maybe I talk about the victim and the owner mindset like we said at the
01:21:44
start I believe that it isn't like a binary thing where you say I used to be
01:21:49
a victim and now I'm an owner we can approach any day from a stance of a victim or an owner I could be a victim
01:21:57
this morning when I'm blaming the traffic and say oh the traffic means I'm
01:22:01
late really if I'm an owner I said no I should have actually left home half an
01:22:04
hour earlier and I wouldn't have this problem it's not a traffic's fault it's
01:22:07
my fault but when when we look at things uh Through The Eyes of a victim I could
01:22:13
blame tall poppy syndrome I could blame my old colleagues I could blame my family members who say people in our
01:22:20
family aren't aren't athletic people in our family aren't good marriages people
01:22:25
in our family aren't good at business I can make all those uh all those accusations of blame or I could actually
01:22:32
take ownership and say yes you know what [ __ ] yeah I am a tall Poppy and I'm
01:22:36
going to own this and if other people want to hold me down then they can do that we uh I was listening to to the
01:22:42
concept of ego it's a Ryan holiday ego is the enemy but is it really I think
01:22:48
our ego is actually designed to keep us safe our ego is designed to push us and yes as a as a Brit living in New Zealand
01:22:55
with like that tall poppy double whammy that's an incredibly difficult thing to
01:23:00
say but I believe that when we are at our lowest moments when the relationship's ended when we've been
01:23:05
fired from the job when we've failed in the race when the business has gone under I think we actually need an ego
01:23:13
because it is our ego that has to get us out of bed the next day and say no you're going to pick yourself up and
01:23:19
you're going to try again you're going to go again failure is not fatal failure
01:23:23
does not have to final it is just another step on the journey but to embrace that step to dust ourselves off
01:23:30
to go again that's when we have to deep uh dig deep into our ego and say you
01:23:35
know what I am going to be a tool puppy I am going to own this live kicked my ass yesterday but I can win today and we
01:23:43
say unless our failure is our final failure then it's never truly a failure yeah yeah there's um there's a a saying
01:23:49
that's um popular in New Zealand especially at um schools um we kids get called try
01:23:56
hards so no one wants to ever like try too hard because you don't want to stand
01:24:00
out and I look back now from the perspective of a 51y old man it's the most ludicrous and insane thing ever I
01:24:07
know and it's is crazy I thinking back to to my school and um it's funny I I
01:24:12
live my life in re my my rebellious phase was an adult I was a very well behaved teenager again my life was such
01:24:18
chaos at home um I saw sanctuary in school and um I I didn't have a proof from my parents so I tried to get
01:24:26
approval from my teachers so um I we had these like these like what they call Merit marks at my school so you get 50
01:24:32
Merit marks in a year and you get a certificate and I was like I need this I need this yeah this this achievement to
01:24:39
to maybe feel something inside myself so I could feel like I'm worth something
01:24:43
and I would volunteer to pick up litter uh to pick up rubbish and lunch time in my school that's why I didn't have a
01:24:50
girlfriend till I was 19 cuz I the other kids were playing sport I was just like
01:24:54
chubby kid going around picky up litter so I could get this Merit Mark and uh when when all the cool kids like the
01:25:01
tough bullying kids came up to me as kids tend to do they were like oh you try hard what are you trying to do and
01:25:07
I'd be like oh yeah you know I I got put into detention for fighting so teachers
01:25:12
yeah they're making me do this but really I was trying to be like a good boy I was like if I pick up enough it's
01:25:17
a metaphor for life if I pick up enough [ __ ] then maybe someone will love me um
01:25:22
but yeah there is that that try hard thing I didn't want to be seen as as trying hard um it's difficult isn't it
01:25:28
you think when I believe when we truly steep into who we are things should be difficult but also when you're in your
01:25:33
Zone when you're in your flow I don't believe that we should be feeling like
01:25:38
we should be trying hard it should be feeling like it's natural because that's
01:25:41
what we're that's what we are doing what we were born to do yeah I like that hey
01:25:46
um there's been so many takeaways um I'm inspired I'm sure a lot of other people
01:25:50
are as well best of luck with the um the ice Ultra thank you um and or what's
01:25:54
your Instagram handle there gonna be updates on your there'll be in updates on Instagram it's the Freddy Bennett
01:26:00
that's where you can find me it's a Instagram Facebook uh the website is
01:26:04
Freddy M Bennett but generally yeah you can find me wherever just search for the
01:26:09
Freddy Bennett and uh I always say it isn't me doing this race we're all doing
01:26:14
this race I'm just the guy doing the cold bit that involves the running but anyone who's on a mission anyone who has
01:26:20
a dream anyone who wants to step into that person who they know they can be we're all doing this together and I do
01:26:26
this as I say to prove to anyone that they can create the life they want to create with the right habits the right
01:26:33
mindset the right knowledge anyone can live that life that they know they deserve awesome Freddy benett thanks for
01:26:39
coming on the podcast thank you thanks for having [Music] me oh