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Am I right in assuming that your love of movement began in jail or you started long distance running while you were
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incarcerated? Um I actually before I went to jail, I was uh well, when I was a kid, you know, I was a
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um Auckland judo champion. So, I did judo uh as a junior and uh and I won the under nine stone championship uh
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when I was about 12 or 13 or something. And then when I was in jail, uh no, sorry, when I was at
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university, I was uh exercising fairly regularly, but not entering any races, but I was doing a bit of running and and
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then I then I was doing karate for a um for about four years. I got a first done with the Cheetah Khan club.
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Um and um won the Auckland university championship, sparring championship and kata.
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Um so, I I was always involved. And then when I went to jail in Mount Eden, when [snorts] I was on remand, I used to
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run uh run around the yard every day, which was I was unusual in and that. So, we're only out for two hours a day uh
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we out for four hours a day out of our cells and I used to go for runs around the yard. How big was the yard? Not very
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big. >> you reckon? Like 100 m if you About 20 laps to the mile, I think it was
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something like that. Yeah. Good on you. Well, you you're looking you're looking great. I think that's the
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key uh you you got to keep moving. You look great. >> Yeah, you you you can get old pretty
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quick if you don't.