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Escape Runners only with dime Harley 's only with dom Harvey and Dean lonigan
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g'day mate how are you yeah fantastic thank you so much for coming over no problems it's fair to say haven't done
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too much running of late you're looking like a Scandinavian racing sardines and
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I'm looking like a fairly bloated pump that way or maybe oh you're being
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too hard on yourself what is um first of all thanks for coming over I had I told
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some people you were coming over and they said oh what's he selling or what's
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he promoting I said no nothing he just agreed to agreed to come over is that a reputation you have oh I'm assuming it
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is you know by Nature I think I'm a Salesman and we I sell stuff for a living that's what I've been doing for
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the last sort of 30 or 40 years and at the moment we're in the business of selling boxing and we're we're
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re-establishing ourselves back here in New Zealand we've got some stuff coming
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up but I'll talk about anything you want to talk about Dominus you're uh you
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asked me over I have no idea what the agenda is so we'll just roll with it well there's there's no agenda this is
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just um basically to unpack your fascinating life I've always found you a fascinating dude I promise you it's not
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that fascinating especially when you sit in the middle of it so um first of all yeah the podcast is
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called Runners only what what is your relationship with running do you run at all not anymore Once Upon a Time
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obviously uh when I was a young fellow I aspired to be a professional a football
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player which I sort of managed to achieve on a semi-professional basis and used to do quite a bit of obviously
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training like predominantly short stuff but uh you know with a benefit of time and looking at the times when I achieved
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the most I did them in sport uh the longer distance was definitely the way to go to get a base and the sport that
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we participate in now in boxing and we don't participate we organize all boxes
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if you want to be good they have to get out and do the miles on the road in the morning five six miles or whatever that
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equates to in case gives them a good base running for 45 minutes to half hour sorry 45 minutes to an hour and that
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that provides the base for what they do but yeah certainly a long time ago I used to do it I get out and I walk you
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know and I've got to get out and move more and walk more I'm probably about 20
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kilos overweight so I've got 20 to lose so I'm working on it um yeah the distance you were talking
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about that's probably the best Pad like 10ks and uh I know like Tyson Fury and
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Joe Parker those guys do that most mornings and David nikau who is in Australia in similar location to where
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you've been he's um he's a demon isn't he runs super he's an outstanding
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athlete you just got to get his shirt off to see is that he's he's cut he's very much in
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the uh he could be a male model quite easily yeah ridiculously good looking and what I can't believe I think he's
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about six foot three six foot four and he fights a Cruiserweight which is about 91.5 kilos how he gets down to that
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weight is beyond me because he is all muscle so I can only imagine he's got fairly light bones so God knows what
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reason and he must have reasonably skinny legs because he's just he's built
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like a brick [ __ ] house up top so and he is an exceptional boxer uh he's going to
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be a great New Zealand Talent yeah phenomenal and you you're back in New Zealand because the the fight for life's
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coming back oh at some stage I'm sure we'll be announcing that but we come
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back here uh we had a contract Liam and my son we run a company called DNL events which stands for Dean and Liam
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it's very clever I never would have guessed it short to the point um and you I tell you what when people
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are taking down your email addresses you have to spell it out them letter by letter by letter because it's actually
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not that easy strangely enough and they look it looks like dandel events but it's not but um we had a contract with
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Fox Sports I think for seven and a half eight years and unfortunately that come to a conclusion December 31 and so we've
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still got a stable of fantastic New Zealand boxes uh and Andre mccailovich is is one who's a middleweight he's
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probably the greatest middleweight Prospect this country's ever seen we've
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got Jerome pampalone and they're both world rated guys and we're looking to do
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a deal and maybe put some stuff on with a young lady called miyamatu who was quite Sensational she uh she's capable
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of fighting for a world title so we've got some really great New Zealand talent
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and we've currently got the only male world champion in Australia a guy called
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Jaya Pattaya Jay is without doubt the toughest man I've seen in my entire life
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and I I would say he's probably the toughest Combat Sports sports athlete on
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the planet he fought in a world title uh July 2 last year on the Gold Coast and he fought the number one guy in the
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division a guy called Morris breedus he broke his jaw Joy broke his jaw in the first two rounds of the fight so he had
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to fight 10 Rounds with a broken jaw but then and I was right ringside when I saw
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this he broke it on the second side um in around 10. so his whole Jewel for two rounds was literally flopping around
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in the breeze and I I should can you imagine the intense Agony every time you get even a light gray he couldn't talk
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afterwards he was just an immense pain but to be able to still walk forward like he was taking shots on the chin
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biting down on his jaw and it was just flopping he said it was like bite into a mouthful of marbles and like he he
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couldn't hold the jaw together but he still kept fighting but I don't know
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anything like that I'd be so mad at my corner for not throwing Talent well I
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think I'd go over there and grab that towel myself to be fair Joy Joy would have been gutted if they did that
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because his his goal is mate he this is what he does for a living he's always
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wanted to be world champion he got his chance and he is the greatest advocate for
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um how do you get over pain and adversity this is a guy who had a broken hand for five years so he's a South poor
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and his left hand is power weapon he couldn't fully land that because it was
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broken for five years and he kept fighting and didn't tell anyone because he needed the money
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this is a guy who probably started boxing age eight or ten went to the Olympics was selected for the Olympics
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for Australia when he was 16 fought when he was 17 one of the youngest boxers to
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ever go to the Olympics um got his chance at a world title and nothing was going to take that chance
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away from him no matter what broken jaw he actually broke his ribs a month before the fight and Rib injuries I
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don't know if you've ever had them done but I fractured as well that's excrucia
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they are excruciating well he it not only broke it separated crossed over another rib and ripped all the rib
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cartilage off and Rib cartilages are the most painful injury you can ever have and normally these things are take two
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three months minimum he was fighting six weeks later he did the injury on a Thursday had surgery on it on a Sunday
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and about a week and a half later it was back in nearly full training his tolerance of pain is through the roof
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and I can't everything you see on Conor McGregor on the outside and how angry and tough he
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looks that's what Joy's got on the inside and uh watch out for him he's
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something very very special I've never seen anything like him and uh Liam and
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herself think he's going to be something special okay now this is the funny thing
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this Joy guy that you mentioned and all those kiwi Fighters hand on heart I've
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never heard of any of them but you and your son do such a phenomenal job like promoting these people like you you
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should have made Joseph Parker a household name well we worked with Joseph yeah all we did was provide him
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the platform and Joe took advantage of it by doing what he did which is win fights the reason why you haven't heard
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a lot of Andre michaelovich and miyamadu and and Jerome pampalone is simply because we've been over in Australia and
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these guys have been fighting over there so our job over the next 12 months is to
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blow these people up because they are seriously world-class they're all they're coached by a guy called Isaac
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Peach who's a hardcore heavily tattooed West aucklander who lives out in West
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Auckland but in my opinion he's a Bastion of world-class Excellence he really knows what he's doing when it
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comes to boxing he's he's got a world champion where he's got a guy called
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David light's going to fight for a World Championship uh I think March 25 in
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England against Lauren sir Cole who's a WBO World Cruiserweight Champion he's
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got miyamadu he's got um he's got uh um Andre michaelovich and Jerome pamplon
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that's fascinating about all these Fighters he's had them all for about four years or more none of them have
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lost yet he is just an incredible uh boxing trainer and I think you're going to see
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some big things out of him and over the next sort of couple of years you're going to start seeing New Zealand boxing
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you know come to the four again Joe Parker's going to keep what do it Joe does I think Joe's an exceptional Talent
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mate I think he could go back to a heavyweight title at some stage he's not that far away from it kiwis can be very
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critical if they don't see amazing performances every time someone steps out yeah it's terrible thing it is a
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little bit but you know what the fact is that they care enough to have an opinion
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and you'd rather have people who've got an opinion good bad or otherwise and
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people not have an opinion and not knowing who they are yeah that's true um right enough about other people let's
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talk about you Dean lonigan so you um so you you became famous like in the late 1980s uh early 90s playing um for the
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Kiwi League team I wouldn't quite say famous but I was interested involved in
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uh involved in back then there was no social media there's no fragmentation of
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media that I think there are only probably three or four TV channels going at the time and uh the kiwis played
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Australia I think in 1991 at Mel in Melbourne we hadn't won against the Aussies for a long long time and uh they
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had one of the all-time great teams that had the likes of Steve roach I think Wally Lewis and a number of other really
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high profile players and in 91 we went over there with a very unheralded young Underdog side I was part of that along
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with Clayton friend and Gary Freeman and Peter Brown and a whole lot of other guys and we managed to pull off a win
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and uh at the time I got knocked out probably 10-15 minutes into the game I uh was
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this the one is this the one where you um you were like convulsing on the floor yeah right yeah I guess it was like a
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concussion a head knock yeah it very much was we um might still be on YouTube if anyone wants to look it up but it's
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it's sickening right well it's not great but we I was very very keen to put a big
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shot on roach because we'd played Stevie roach and we played Balmain early in the
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New Year early in the preseason uh Auckland rugby league played Balmain and one new roach was going to be in the
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side so we had a bit of a fracker in that game and I was very keen to put a big hit on him early on and you know try
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and intimidate him it was the dumbest thing I could have done because I ended up getting knocked out he ended up with
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about 20 stitches in his head I got knocked out and convulsed on the field I got carried off and came back on a
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little bit later yeah that was sort of the incident that blew us up and then I got a job on radio
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hierarchy after that right wait wait wait you are moving way too fast like this uh we need to digest this somewhat
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like the podcast will be over in four minutes so yes so you get knocked out it's sickening um I feel like this was a
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golden era for league and it was a time where yeah fights were still sort of encouraged and you know if you squirted
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some water on your head and came back on the field you were considered like like
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heroic in a way that wasn't the reason behind it right pretty much as I was being dragged off I could see George
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Mann who I'd played with in the Auckland team and I played against him in quite a
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few Club competitions George was warming up and I just thought man I've fought
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too hard for you to have the spots yours so as soon as I regained my George ran on and as soon as I regained my stuff I
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said to Bob on it Bob Bailey who's a coach this is mate I'm ready to go back
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on it was 10 or 15 minutes later so he threw me back on and I've only I've
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watched the game once and I know how do you feel when you watch it all right it's like somebody watching somebody
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else yeah but I know when I come back on if I'm staggering all over the place we
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managed to get through the first I don't remember much about the first half we've
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got we got through the game and we won the game and what's really interesting
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right is that you don't know what people are going to come into your life as a
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result of things like that and Liam and myself have been working in Australia for the last seven years and the
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commentator who called that game was a guy called Pat Walsh and Pat had gone on to be quite instrumental in uh in
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Channel 7 Brisbane and massive media context so Pat has been incredibly he remembered the game he remembered me
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from that game Pat Walsh has been he only just retired incredibly helpful toward for us in terms of connections
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all around Australia you know so it's just and those sort of connections they
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last for a very very long time so yeah it's quite it's quite interesting where
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where things end up and what you end up doing how many other times were you can cast I I couldn't tell you are you right
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now yeah I think so so my memory is not as good as it could be but then again most people well you're in your late 50s
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so that's yeah I'm 57 you know so but you know you look at guys overseas in
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Australia in particular and they've all got the fading memories like I think the
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Ray Price has got some issues I think Steve mortimer's got some issues dodge a bullet do you think well I
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finished quite young so that the the game that I got knocked out and I played one more test match after that and I
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might have had another five or six games after that then I finished up so I was only 26 when I finished rugby league and
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then I was lucky enough you know that I didn't think much of it at the time but
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I was lucky enough to get a job on radio hierarchy and I got to tell you Dom you
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did 25 years plus on radio yeah there is no doubt that in my opinion of all the media of anything you can do radio is
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the greatest job because you know I I wouldn't have done I never took it as seriously as you did as your career
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right and it was something I just stumbled into and just got lucky but um I got a job on radio hierarchy I used to
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do six to nine fine I'd turn up at five to six and I'd leave at nine o'clock
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you're part of a very successful show called the morning pirates with um was
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it Mark Perry and Leah Mark Perry and Leah we took what happened was that what sort of music was it a rock station
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classic rock to The Cutting Edge and made it we hierarchy at one stage it was very very popular in Auckland way back
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before the days of the fragmentation you've got now and you're all up and in
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the country and it was very very popular so how how did that um how did that career come about like were you just
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quote were you were you quite charismatic at aftermath speeches and stuff or you had another natural Flair
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for no I think what happened was uh I'd been on this show a couple of times because you had Phil Gifford and um I
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can't remember the other girl's name and Mark Perry was on the show and then I'd
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been in the studio a couple of times which was one of the local rugby league players and when I got knocked out
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obviously there's a bit of I was quite high profile and I yeah I was in the media a lot for a very
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short space of time but uh I ended up being quite good mates with some some of the radio guys Dan Boyle was in there
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and Mike Regal who was a program director and when um for whatever reason I think more FM Cam and poached Phil
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Gifford and I think it was Kathy at the time and they took them down to Christchurch so that's when Phil left so
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all of a sudden there was a space so they got me in for a few days to cover a few days turned to a couple of weeks a
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couple of weeks two to a couple of months and then a couple of months turned to I think I did seven years so
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it was just luck amazing I feel like you get bored of things too so seven years for you is a long time you know what I
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really enjoyed it radio is a lot of fun and do I get bored with stuff some maybe I don't know but I did enjoy
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radio and it's a great meeting to be part of and I'll tell you the perfect
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place to do radio would be Sydney London or New York where they get paid Millions
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to do it yeah because it's the world's easiest job and I know a lot of people
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you know a lot of people aspire to it and and and they should do and a lot of people are in there for their careers
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get all nervous about it and they do a lot of work and that's fantastic but I
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can only tell you how my experience and compared to bloody working 12-hour shift
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set at Coca-Cola driving forklifts and packing loads or being an offsider on trucks delivering Coca-Cola you know and
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then I was also I used to be a cleaner so I used to run three jobs yeah I used to run three jobs so when I first left
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school I went what you'd call to be an offsider on trucks so you help people
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deliver soft drinks right then I'd finish that and I'd come home and I'd do
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I was a cleaner at a school at my school I used to work at so I used to go to school at and then after that I would be
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at rugby league so effectively I had three jobs because I was getting paid for all three of them so it's a with
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money any good in Rugby League at that time yeah I was right yeah you know like so these jobs sort of LED before you
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were a professional player yeah a lot we were getting paid to play rugby league and it's all relevant right back then I
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remember I brought my first house as an investment was like 75 grand well when I
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at the time I might have been making 50 or 60 Grand a year before tax you know so it's very very easy to get into these
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things and when I was a young fella maybe 21 22 I remember having two or three houses you know so um it was a lot
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there's no doubt it was a lot easier back then compared to what you've seen
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now in average house prices are up over they're now coming back but yeah so and
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the opportunity to buy in was a lot easier unfortunately you know I was going to keep these houses and have 10
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or 20 by the time I'm 57 didn't quite work out that way ex I remember um just when I sort of left school and
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started in radio this would have been like 1990 I guess early 90s I'd come up
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to Auckland stay with my friend Robert Scott who's on the breeze now and because you guys were on 2xs together
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right that must have been a great place to work because I've I'm on social media
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it's one of the great things about Facebook Facebook friends with a few people and I always see this 2xs stuff
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come up and people say what a great time it was down in the manner with two in Palmerston yeah
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for like really quite good radio talent for some reason yeah um but yeah I'd
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come up and stay with Robert and he lived in sarsfield Street and I'd point out your house really and I don't know
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if you were playing League at the time or maybe just started on radio but it's
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like one of the most expensive streets in Auckland now that it has probably worth seven or eight metal it probably
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is and I wish I had to keep the bloody thing but yes I was in Southfield Street we were right down the bottom of it and
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it was a lovely it was amazing neighborhood yeah but like I said it's a lot easier to get back getting it back
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there what it is now and I think yeah I paid about a half a million bucks for that place whereas now it's like
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whatever it's worth and at the time it was a real stretch for me and you know
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and I was really I was being a wanker to be honest because we used to live in a place called wanganui Ave which is on
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the other side of uh Hoon Bay and I love her I love wanganui Ave but that was sort of the Southern slopes and all the
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knobs were on the other side of the uh the northern slopes and then my stupidity as a young fellow I thought it
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was a call to be with all the knobs but you know I should have stayed where we were it was a lot a lot less to get in
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there and make great place to live it's close to where we are now in the podcast
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space so um were you were you married at the time have you ever been married no so you so you you're um a father of one
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Liam and one thing that strikes me about you from my relationship with you is just how much your relationship with
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your son means to and I'm talking way back when you used to work in the same
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building as me and you'd come in and Liam was a young fella at the time and you always give them a shout out on the
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year using his middle names the whole lot that's yes I've got a mate of mine
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Leah I've got Leo Malloy who's Run for the mayor of Auckland always calls them
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lrd which is Liam Robert Daniels which is I always call them uh Liam Robert Daniel on here so yeah no it's you know
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we got Perfection on the first go there's no need there anymore so so Liam's mum and your ex her name is
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Julie Julie it is yes you were never married no we didn't marry but we're
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still really good friends yeah you know she's been an amazing mum and you know
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she's a good friend of mine and I get she's married now and I get on very very
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well with her husband so yeah it's been a while it's not never ideal it's been
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as good as it could be I think when did when did you break up when Liam was quite yes yeah Liam was on a young
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father maybe one what happened you want to talk about no and not particularly it's not a period that I'm proud of I
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made a complete dick of myself on a number of occasions yes infidelity or yes but look there's a lot of water
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under the bridge oh the answer is you're right and we all do stupid we do it younger you can't you
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can't hold that much killed in the same quarter of a century later if I had my
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chart if I had my time again you'd do things way differently so yeah it's not
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it's not a proud period of my life wasn't it she forgiven you though oh yeah you need to forgive yourself well I
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probably have I just don't ever want to talk about right but you were I mean you were famous at
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the time you know you were young you were successful I suppose there was a lot of they're not excusing your
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behavior but there was a lot of Temptation it's really interesting you say famous
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right I don't kill anyone says you can't be famous in New Zealand there's five
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million people live here you might a whole lot of people might recognize you when you go past but I once spend some
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time with a guy called Mark Jackson and Mark played in the AFL and he fought in one of my fight for life he was a real
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character a real character and he used to say you know these people of Australia think they're [ __ ] famous
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they're not famous Frank Sinatra is famous and I hung out with Frank Sinatra
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in the 70s you know what I mean like these if Tom Cruise has got real Fame yeah and it's true when you look at the
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likes of the Brad Pitt's and the Chris rocks and the the rock and all these different Arnold Schwarzenegger they're
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really famous that's real Fame yeah the stuff we have down here is just a few
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people recognize you on the way through and annoy the [ __ ] out here when you go
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out and you might you might have a drink when you go out no I actually don't
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drink milk milk and water's my drink of choice yeah actually I I do want to get
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to that well by the way I got you a drink if you want to I've got your own milk Dom actually would you believe this
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with my current fat guts I need to stay off the milk I love milk it would be my favorite drink if I wanted to I could
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drink four and five liters a day easily but I choose not to because it's not
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good for me yeah I went to see it like a nutritionist years ago and she was like
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oh you need to cut your coffee out you know milk is used to fatten babies well correct and it's not only milk is used
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we use another species milk the cows to feed us I don't know that it's overly
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healthy but I do love the stuff better yeah and that's one thing that struck me
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about you always like if you're out at a bar with you you'll have like a pint of
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milk and it's like you'd be probably the only person I know over the age of eight
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that drinks milk is like a recreational drink it's a very bizarre site so I think you know like now I'm sitting
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there with the milk we've actually I the the late great Phil Kingsley Jones I
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went to Wales with him and we were searching for people to fight in one of our fight for life one year and we and
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Phil was a great guy a good just an amazing character for anyone that doesn't know Jonah lomey's manager he
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was General but he was way more than just that he was a personality in his own right and he's a great speaker and
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had great jokes but we went up to the uh The Valleys of of Wales which is and that's the coal mining area and I've got
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to tell you I've never seen so many rough hardcore women in all my life and they all knew and loved Phil and one of
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the piece of his ass back then but um yes and he could not believe I'd send him to the bar and he'd have to order
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pints of milk yeah so yeah um why have you never been married do you think are you sorry just going back
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to that are you better on your own or you just never found the right person or are you just busy focused on Career
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stuff it's really interesting have you been married yeah I'm well I'm still
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legally married to JJ but we broke up about five years ago yeah look I've had
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some significant relationships but haven't quite got around to doing the Marion
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thing and you know I as you get older in life I think you can reflect on a whole lot of things and you
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go you know what maybe I was the problem as opposed to them so as you get on in life you go
00:23:21
yeah it's not uh and look I I live an amazing situation at the moment which I
00:23:28
can't believe I'm in but I'm there and I really enjoy it you know it's very cool
00:23:32
what is it what's the situation I live with my I live with my mum and my sister
00:23:37
and I absolutely love it I'm telling you right because I've been transient for
00:23:42
the last or leaving myself in particular I've been transit for the last bloody um
00:23:46
the last probably five or six years between here in Australia you know we had an apartment over in Brisbane for
00:23:52
quite some time and then uh we moved sort of down to the Gold Coast and we come and we become a
00:23:58
little bit transient and one of the things I I hate in life I just hate it is moving house it is the worst it is
00:24:05
one of my pet hates and I've been a transient for 30 40 years so uh yeah that's the hell is your mum now you're
00:24:12
in your late 50s my mom's 77. that's nice and your dad's still alive as well yeah you should I had 79
00:24:20
dead Deads and they're both incredibly fit and healthy like all the mum's
00:24:26
um brothers and sisters one brother died young but they all lived to a ripe old age you know the older sister got to 92
00:24:33
I think and so I expect mum's got a few more uh miles left on the tires getting dad's
00:24:40
dad still he lives in waiki Island trains three times a week and very very strong still well it looks a lot like
00:24:47
you to be honest Fitness wise so he does a lot of weight training and and exercising and the Germany's been doing
00:24:52
it for 20 25 years and Dad's committed no matter what happens to get into a hundred so you know which is it's a
00:24:58
pretty good goal to have that's a great goal so wow is it that seems like a weird
00:25:04
dynamic living with him so your sister's a similar age you know 50. my sister is
00:25:08
uh she's four years younger than me she's 53 and my mother's they brought a
00:25:13
house together going back probably 20 years ago and then they sold that house and they brought a really really big
00:25:19
house so we live in a big house it's like three stories high and I sort of have commandeed the middle level mum has
00:25:25
the bottom level and my sister has the top level okay so you're not all three
00:25:28
of you are sitting on the sofa it's a big house I've got to get the situation sorted out
00:25:35
I can promise you that you know like I've got some land up in taupaki that I
00:25:39
need to um I need to get a house on at some stage but uh yeah I I just feel like you're not a not overly
00:25:45
materialistic were you materialistic before you lost your fortune and that's
00:25:49
that's such that's a big understatement I was very very committed to when I was
00:25:53
a young fella and I was going to be done and dusted by 30 or 40 you know I retired yeah retired and doing nothing
00:25:59
and made millions and you know unfortunate I've had ups and downs yeah I want to get into the seat you have
00:26:08
your radio career which is very successful then you get out of there never we had a great time but never made
00:26:14
huge money out of it got paid okay yeah but enjoyed it immensely but never like you were rooming at one stage to be on
00:26:21
300 000 plus a year which is brilliant money oh yeah yeah a bit more but more than
00:26:26
that especially if you get the kpis there you go um which is if you're doing
00:26:30
radio and a three-hour shift and I know you probably prepped a lot more and you're turning yeah I took it way too
00:26:35
seriously you turn up at four and you go you know then you're prepping afterwards
00:26:39
you've got to do that if you're going to be paid the big money yeah um but you also got to enjoy it along
00:26:44
the way and I've got to tell you some of the people I got to do to to work with
00:26:48
like the absolute highlights like Leah panapa um she's still a great mate we
00:26:52
went out to lunch just recently Nathan rarely I was very lucky to be on air with Nathan Nathan's real strength on
00:26:59
radio and this is very rare his real strength was the same guy turned up every single day and was pleasant and
00:27:07
was a nice guy and he's just such a good guy to deal with and you would know this
00:27:11
Dom over the years you want consistency whereas you know some people in radio they come up they
00:27:18
might have different things are happening in their lives and they're all over the place which it happens because
00:27:22
they're creative talented people and uh mate he was uh Nathan was amazing you
00:27:27
know and we got luckily got to talk with Ian Smith as well who I think is one of
00:27:32
the all-time great Cricket commentators no anywhere in the world his commentaries over the years there'll be
00:27:37
nothing short of stunning and I'm saddened to see he's not working with Skye anymore yeah so that you're talking
00:27:42
about that's when I got to meet you so you um you you lost all your money with
00:27:47
the circus thing yeah so you got back into radio we're gonna we'll backtrack and we'll
00:27:52
get into that but when you're working with um Nathan and Smithy I remember this clearly we're in the same building
00:27:58
and it was um all the radio stations faced this internal Courtyard and you'd
00:28:02
be I don't know how many voice breaks you did on here but you're wander around
00:28:04
the courtyard on your phone all [ __ ] morning and then Nathan would tell me stories that um I think you were
00:28:10
contracted to where to wait 30 or 9 A.M and he said 9 aim on the dot if in the middle of an interview or something and
00:28:16
Dana would just give him the thumbs up like let me take the headphones off and set a
00:28:20
tiptoe out oh that was more out of necessity like when I when we I did about seven years I
00:28:29
think on radio Herrick you know I think about seven or maybe eight years I think
00:28:33
it was radio what was it called live talk spot lifestyle live Sport and I got a call out of the blue from Brent Impe
00:28:40
and Brent had been instrumental in me getting the job already howicky Brent as it turns out uh he's a Bastion of New
00:28:46
Zealand broadcasting has been wonderful to me in my all through my life to be honest
00:28:52
my adult life because he he got me the job on he was chairman of the board or I think he was a CEO of the company when I
00:28:58
got on radio hierarchy then he was sort of really high up in the radio industry when I got given this job already alive
00:29:04
or live Sport and he also on a number of occasions put my Fight For Life on TV three you know and I've had subsequent
00:29:11
conversations with the Rugby Union about all sorts of things and Brent's been a
00:29:14
conduit to get me in there so he's been very very good to me that's great I'm
00:29:19
very very uh appreciative of the support that I've always had from from bimpy
00:29:23
unfortunately he's retired or fortunately he's retired now he's on a
00:29:26
few boards but he was certainly good to me and my broadcast yeah likewise as well actually great great man so okay so
00:29:33
you you leave radio helodecki is that when you start the fight for life is that when you bring the fight for life
00:29:37
like corporate boxing to New Zealand feels like it's such a big thing now even the non-televisions yeah like I
00:29:43
think around 2000 right maybe even just before 2000. oh yeah yeah no that's right no you did
00:29:53
right so I at when I left radio hauraki no I was I was at Radio hierarchy I finished Rugby League at probably 26 and
00:30:01
I had played at the Canberra Raiders got a phone call out of the blue from Tim machine says look we'd love to bring the
00:30:06
camber Raiders over to play in a local game and I said yeah that'll be fine so I did a joint venture with radio
00:30:14
hierarchy who I was working with at the time this is sort of the start of my entrepreneurial career I'd only been out
00:30:18
of rugby league for about a year maybe less and um we put this game on Auckland versus this is way before the Warriors
00:30:25
this is like 1991. so we put this game on Auckland versus uh the Canberra Raiders and they were the hottest thing
00:30:31
at the time you know you had Mel meninga he had Laurie Daley Bradley Clyde you had at least 10 to 15 bloody people who
00:30:40
played for Australia and New Zealand or you know state of origin it was a big big so it was a big we sold the thing
00:30:45
out and made it we made a couple hundred grand and I took a hundred and Harrogate
00:30:50
took 100 and I thought at the time geez this is better than playing footy so that's we concentrated on doing for the
00:30:56
next sort of two or three years and then I got tied up Kevin Barry came up for me
00:31:00
said look I've got this really hot young heavyweight David tour I don't know much
00:31:04
about promotion do you want to help out so I helped him put on the first David tour fight and uh just singing spiraled
00:31:10
from there and eventually we got to a thing called fight for life and what had happened with that a friend of mine who
00:31:15
used to work I think in a media works called Peter Spears a sales rep in there and he's a good Maid of mine and his
00:31:22
house had burnt down and he had no insurance so we put together a little fight night there's I fought on it Spiro
00:31:27
fought on it my mate Mark bournville fought on it and we got a few mates together and we we raised some money for
00:31:33
him to give him some money for his house so we raised about 50 Grand and made it
00:31:37
was like walking on ears one of the greatest things I've ever done is like I
00:31:40
don't drugs are not my go but I can tell you if drugs make you feel as good as
00:31:45
this you'd be on them all the time because it was just a real highlight and it was just to do something for a bloke
00:31:50
anyway one thing leads to another and there's a place called yellow ribbon Marco Marinkovic was at that event I
00:31:55
think and he said would you do that for us I said yes sweet but we gotta we'll try
00:32:00
and raise you a million bucks and we've got to get it on TV and we'll use rugby
00:32:03
league players he said sweet so he gave me full license to do what we did I that
00:32:07
first year I did it for nothing and we raised about half a million bucks and we ended up with the number one
00:32:12
rating show on TV three and it just yeah just it spiraled from there yeah so is that is that how I started so you're
00:32:18
doing like league players fighting rugby players yeah the clash of the codes and we had
00:32:24
some real Legends yeah you know for those who are old enough to remember we had Mark Graham and buck shelford and
00:32:29
there I had uh um Mark bournville who the horse who went on to become really amazing and
00:32:34
fight for life and Stevie McDowell we had Mel meninga fought with Kevin borovich so yeah there's a it was a big
00:32:40
deal to us at the time and it was a lot of fun to do it so when did you when did
00:32:43
you broaden it and get into a like other sort of mainstream celebrity started or
00:32:48
mainstream celebrities that just sort of continued on for quite some time and then um
00:32:53
we tuned into more of an entertainment event you know I think we need like dwarfs and yeah well no that was sort of
00:32:58
the second alliteration I used to bring in these really cool acts you know like we'd have motorbikes doing backflips
00:33:05
over the boxing ring and we'd have uh we'd have got you know motorcycle foot
00:33:09
juggling X coming in where we had all these acts and I thought oh wouldn't it
00:33:14
be a good idea if we took all these acts out of fight for life and put them into
00:33:17
a circus and that was probably the dumbest thing I ever did in my life but you're you're like you're a risk taker
00:33:22
so you don't know it's a dumb thing until you got the benefit of hindsight
00:33:25
so the you so you took a big bath on this one this year yeah we dropped in one year uh I'd done a number of things
00:33:32
it wasn't that smart so one I put the circus on I lost about a million bucks
00:33:37
on that I'd brought I I'd sold off previously half my company to a couple of guys and
00:33:43
they were good guys and I brought them out of the company and I had some issues around tax I was about 1.8 million
00:33:49
dollars in debt and I had no assets to back it nothing so what happened to those houses we talked about it well you
00:33:56
know you sell things as you go and you make mistakes you get separated and you make sure people are looked after all
00:34:02
that sort of stuff so you know like I've made if I could make some changes in my life
00:34:07
it'd be the slow accumulation of assets right I got mates of mine who had very
00:34:12
long-term plans and they've done very very well just out of slow accumulation
00:34:16
so that's my advice to all you Risk Takers out there it's fantastic Throwing
00:34:20
It All into one and you know having a crack but I suggest you just out the back end just accumulate those assets
00:34:26
slowly but um so yeah you mentioned um Leo Malloy before and I've had him on
00:34:31
the podcast and we talked about he he ended up bankrupt for a time after he set up a bar called cardiac yes he did
00:34:37
and he reflected on the podcast on his mistakes and he said he sort of through everything that he knew about
00:34:42
Hospitality out the window with this is that what happened to you do you think you got too big for your boots yeah 100
00:34:48
yeah you know you're taking look we hadn't when we're doing fight for life
00:34:52
so I was putting more and more money into the entertainment side of it and there was bugger all net profit coming
00:34:57
back it was just bigger and better events you know with bugger or net profit and so we got to the end of it
00:35:02
when we did this bloody massive circus which lost a huge amount of money and I got all the aspects of circus that you
00:35:09
get right I got them wrong so if you're the dumbest thing you can do if you're
00:35:13
ever going to put on a circus the dumbest thing you can do is fly the best accent from all around the world and
00:35:20
only have them compete or you know do their stuff for a week which is what we did in a fixed outlet and the reason why
00:35:26
it's dumb is firstly their prices through the roof and then you've got all
00:35:29
the accommodation expenses you've got all the bloody um airfares coming in to
00:35:34
be amortized over no more than sort of seven days smart circus acts right they have their
00:35:39
own tents they travel around the world or travel around the area and you employ them for a long period of time their
00:35:45
cost per day goes through the floor so you don't have to sell as many tickets
00:35:47
anyway so I dropped a million on that I was probably 1.8 in debt and it took me four years to pay it off there's no way
00:35:54
I was going to go bankrupt because I knew if I did that I was going to be all over the front pages of the paper so I
00:35:59
called my creditors in and said look here's my problem and I said to them if
00:36:04
you just hang tough with me I'll get you paid then I turned around and I borrowed
00:36:08
about half a million it was about 550k off three different people they gave me that so I managed to work
00:36:16
out a whole lot of non-risky events right that I could run there's no risk I
00:36:21
was going to make money so what we would do is I've got the half million and I
00:36:25
paid off as much of it keeping everyone happy and then I just went on the slow ride of sort of selling the events
00:36:30
paying them off selling new events and paying off the old credit that's when
00:36:34
you and I got to meet and sort of become friends because you got back into radio
00:36:37
first yeah well the radio thing came up because I desperately needed the cash so
00:36:41
I was working I was running a small business trying to make some money I was working for an organization trying to
00:36:47
raise their money and I was also working on radio so I basically had three jobs so when you were uh saw me on the phone
00:36:54
it's because I'm desperately trying to place the bills mate I can tell you this
00:36:58
I remember one day I'm on the North Shore and made I couldn't pay my [ __ ]
00:37:03
phone bill you know and having your phone disconnected is you won't do nothing so they were they were hard
00:37:10
times but you know you have some good times along the way I end up I went and moved into a flat with a good mate of
00:37:17
mine called Grant Church who I just love eternally and we we in it we're in this
00:37:22
flat or it was a house another major I know it's a three-bedroom house and I
00:37:26
was in one bedroom and he had the main bedroom which had the uh the ensuite it was really nice and uh it was a great
00:37:32
Victory to me when he moved out and I could afford to move into the main event for the simple fact like that was just
00:37:40
to move forward right you know was that like in the hindsight looking back was that period um I would say that's the
00:37:46
last period of your life man it was stressful it's got to be um I mean you you can probably like look back with
00:37:52
enough hindsight now to get a picture of things but to go from like being successful like being a successful
00:37:57
League player successful broadcaster successful promoter having like all the money all the assets and stuff and then
00:38:03
being down below zero it was just gonna be [ __ ] hard it was stressful yeah I reckon I was depressed for a year really
00:38:11
what did depression look like for you depression for me um the only Escape was sleep from the
00:38:19
pressure and like for the first year I knew that if I got it wrong I was going to be all
00:38:25
over the news and for doing this and doing that and I'm a low life when all you've done is made mistakes and tried
00:38:31
your best so the first year was the hardest right and when you get to the end of the first
00:38:38
year all of a sudden you realize I can actually do this and I'm going to get
00:38:42
out but when you talk about pressure the second you wake up you're stressed and
00:38:49
you're thinking about what's going to go wrong and then you're anxious right and
00:38:53
that feeling doesn't leave you and it doesn't leave you until you go to sleep
00:38:57
it's like going to bed with a wet blanket and when you go to sleep it disappears but when you wake up it comes
00:39:02
back and it's just stress and it's horrible so 12 months was probably like
00:39:06
that and then it started to diminish after 12 months because you go I can get out of this why did it start to diminish
00:39:13
were you just making a Headway because you're making Headway every time you paid off a bill or paid some money off
00:39:19
it's another it's another Victory you know and all of a sudden all the new
00:39:22
ideas you're forced to have they're working you know like you're never going
00:39:27
to get rich off them but you sure as hell are going to pay your debts so at the end of 12 months I've gone right
00:39:33
this is a long long tunnel but we go I can see the light at the end and it took another three years after that
00:39:41
see a therapist or anything in that time would I you know I don't think so no I
00:39:46
might have I might have you know and I read an article somewhere you were reading like a lot of self-help books at
00:39:52
the time yeah yeah yeah like this is a long time ago yeah yeah like so you know it's a long time again we've we've had
00:39:59
all sorts of successes and failures and challenges since then but having someone you could talk to is
00:40:06
essential because it's like a relieving of pressure yeah who did you have is it
00:40:11
like look I always have my mates right they were great you know like Mark bournville and Mark Bedford and Mike
00:40:17
Patton's mate Steve cousins you know they were fantastic that you know you also need to have
00:40:24
other people you and it's I would recommend therapist I'm not not big on Psychiatry
00:40:29
but certainly from am but if for some people that works for them but a psychologist someone you can go and have
00:40:35
a release valve too also I suppose if you're 1.7 million in debt spending 250
00:40:40
or for an hour with a trained professional probably a lot of people that's chump change look at me at the
00:40:45
time that was a huge amount of money you know so uh and it just took a long time
00:40:49
to pay it back which was pretty shitty I wouldn't want to go through it again why
00:40:54
I mean it says a lot about your character I think like not just declaring bankruptcy why didn't why
00:40:59
didn't you just do that that would have been the easiest thing to do right I
00:41:01
guess my attitude is is that if somebody supplies to you a good or a service right you're it's up to you to
00:41:11
pay for it now in that case it just took a long time for some people to get their
00:41:15
money but that supplied me the goods and the services so they have to be paid you
00:41:20
know and and the alternative you know the alternative as you end up on the front page of the paper and
00:41:26
[ __ ] all sorts of others but I've heard people have said that they've gone
00:41:29
bankrupt and the stress and pain goes instantly it was just not an option for me that was all just a character thing
00:41:36
to say well I don't know if it's character because everyone it was just it was just not an option yeah because
00:41:42
everyone approaches these things differently you know I've had friends who've gone through similar
00:41:47
circumstances and they did things differently and that's fine as well you know and I think the most important
00:41:52
thing you can do with people just be up front and tell them the truth yeah one thing I've said a fan over life
00:41:57
is that um the the [ __ ] hits the fan for everyone at some point everyone goes through good good times and bad times
00:42:02
and one thing you find is people that you think are really good friends they're either like lean in or lean out
00:42:08
when that happens and uh Did you sort of I don't have anyone lean out yeah not by
00:42:13
any stretch the imagination they more leaned in yeah that's good yeah so you
00:42:18
know you're lucky I saw something by Tom Tom Hanks was sitting down there that I saw
00:42:22
on social media is a wonderful thing but there's this little sort of 30 second
00:42:26
one minute clip where he was sit with some really famous guys I might be Robert De Niro and and and and and
00:42:33
Steven Spielberg and a few others and he said when I was I wish someone had told
00:42:38
me when I was a young fella this too shall pass and what he was talking about is that you will have hard times in your
00:42:45
life this tooth shall pass you will have amazing highs in your life this too shall pass so you've I think the lesson
00:42:52
is try not to get too stressed because one way or another you're going to get
00:42:56
out of it or you know and um don't take it all too serious you've had to learn
00:43:02
these lessons the hard way though and where does where do you think this resilience comes from or is it something
00:43:07
that you've you've had to build by necessity over the years I have no idea
00:43:11
I don't know it's resilience it's just oh I know it absolutely you get you get
00:43:15
faced with situations and you just got to overcome them and it's really it's
00:43:18
about about the key thing is is just doing what's in front of you just deal tackle what's in front of you and then
00:43:25
tackle it again the next day and the next day and in the perfect world you'll
00:43:28
get to a point where there's the challenges are overcome and you start to get this from gravy and have some fun
00:43:33
[Music] um yeah you must be immensely proud of how you handle that whole situation
00:43:38
getting out of that hole looking back don't really think about it too much no
00:43:41
no just clearly learn some good lessons though yeah just glad I did it the way we did it as
00:43:48
opposed to take taking the option of not having to pay everyone yeah you know I think I read an article about you at the
00:43:54
time and you're talking about that flat situation with that guy Church you're
00:43:57
talking about and another guy called mango yes what was the flag called the the flat of broken men or something what
00:44:03
is it the house of misunderstood I used to write a bit of a Blog yes so we uh I had two guys in the flat with me
00:44:14
one was called Church which was obviously and church was when he was we went to school together and played rugby
00:44:19
together and church was and his an absolute rocket scientist like he is in six subject class at school used to do
00:44:27
five subjects of school C and I think he went to uh he went he could have gone to
00:44:31
University he got great marks but he ended up you know driving us a a uh a roller called the space shuttle he
00:44:39
called it Challenger Space Shuttle you know like those Steamrollers and uh he is just he's just a great guy
00:44:46
and and just just a really good guy an amazing flatmate you know I wish we were still living with the church because
00:44:53
he's such an amazing guy but uh we used to have this other guy called mango and
00:44:57
he was called mango because he used to ride motorbikes really fast and everybody would say look at that man go
00:45:08
oh God what a time God it sounds like it sounds like some sort of sitcom doesn't
00:45:13
it well I ended up at some at one stage there might I can't remember because all
00:45:19
the dates you know but I used to write this blog and my mum encourages me to to go back to writing a
00:45:28
Blog and it used to be called the house of misunderstood blokes and it was predominantly about the life of my mate
00:45:33
Grant Church who was the world's greatest drain layer and we used to talk about his uh how he'd go on dates and
00:45:40
you know like I was chronicling his life it was quite funny but I've said to her
00:45:43
Manuel if I do this again mum I'm gonna have to write about you and my sister
00:45:47
because that's who I'm living with what we call it did you uh like did you fall
00:45:52
back on alcohol or anything in any of these low points how do you not because a lot of people would like deal with the
00:45:57
stress of a situation like this by I made a conscious decision going through going through it that if you drink
00:46:04
alcohol like you know like I said it was I had a really hard time for the first year but if you drink alcohol
00:46:10
you're going to escape all your problems for three four five or six hours right
00:46:15
and then the problem is when you wake up the next day even worse it's way worse
00:46:19
and not only that is way worse for three or four days so I sort of thought right
00:46:24
I'll kick alcohol for touch and commit myself to doing what I've got to do
00:46:29
and at the back end of it which was four years I lost the taste for the alcohol hence I don't drink anymore because I
00:46:37
just don't like the taste of it there's no great hidden meeting like I used to
00:46:41
drink so much when I was a young fellow and I used to you know I used to have a good time and used to go out and have
00:46:46
plenty to drink but that's not the reason I don't drink anymore it's just I
00:46:49
don't like the taste if you could make alcohol taste like a strawberry milkshake
00:46:55
I'd get drunk 24 hours a day but as it turns out you can't that's good so you
00:47:01
got through that period with a clear head and very very dense bones for all the calcium you're having probably you
00:47:07
um but I'll tell you what I do now right with the milk I cut it in half suddenly that is my drink of choice is
00:47:14
half I get the biggest glass I can get half milk half water lots of ice it's actually really good and the key
00:47:23
thing is to have it cold but that way you can drink you know you can you're not drinking as much as milk because
00:47:29
milks I don't think it's overly healthy for you and I'm sure fonterra doesn't
00:47:33
want me to say this yeah but yeah geez you're an unusual guy was it around this
00:47:39
time when you're living in the flat with these two other misunderstood blokes
00:47:42
that you were you were adding um you had like a Nando's thing as well you're eating Nando's every night of the
00:47:46
week did I read that somewhere I don't think so you're making this episode did we
00:47:54
had those Espionage ah yeah I'll be all I am a creature have it Nando's is very good and very healthy so
00:48:06
do you think um part of it is like um I don't know like a a like a Steve Jobs or
00:48:12
Mark Zuckerberg thing you know they were the same clothes every day because it just takes a like a decision-making out
00:48:17
of their day like if you're eating Nando's you can't possibly put my name
00:48:20
in those two in the same sentence Jesus but um no but you know what I mean it's
00:48:25
like a decision every day that's like man it's because look I go to the same
00:48:29
Cafe most times because I like going there because I have food that I like I ate nandos if I ate Nando's every night
00:48:35
for God knows how long it's because I like the taste of it as opposed to taking the decision-making process away
00:48:41
right like I'm not I'm just not that complex I don't know but I think I think
00:48:45
you are smarter than what you give yourself credit for I I sometimes wonder yeah
00:48:50
um um what else was there so okay so so you get through that first year is difficult
00:48:56
and then you start to see a bit of Headway then you make more and more progress I suppose it's like a Snowball
00:49:01
Effect then how do you um how do you get back into the promotion game is this is
00:49:06
promoting all the way through yeah I was working on contract for a lot of people
00:49:10
I worked I'd do anything to get the money in and one of the contracts I got was with uh with Duco
00:49:17
and yet a guy called David Higgins who I don't have much of an opinion on and
00:49:22
John McRae were there and they were putting together the David tour versus Shane Cameron fight they didn't have any
00:49:28
experience at the time right boxing specifically but they had a nose they definitely had a nose for uh what made a
00:49:34
good promotion so I helped them put that together and I charged them through the
00:49:38
nose for it and uh and helped put them together and it turned out to be very very successful it's a phenomenal event
00:49:44
yeah the fight of the century I had um Shane Cameron on the podcast and we yeah he is a good guy he's a great guy and we
00:49:50
talked about that fight and quite a bit of length and uh he's got so many regrets he said it took seven years for
00:49:55
him to get over there I bet it did yeah seven years seven years before he realized huh I haven't thought about
00:50:02
that all day today wow crazy huh but that's that's what that's what been in
00:50:08
the boxing ring can do to people you know because that was Shane's whole life
00:50:12
was boxing and he built himself up along with his manager Kenny rangefield as you
00:50:18
have to do to be the L for male of the country and all of a sudden there's another alpha male who realizes you
00:50:24
might be a great white shark but this boy over here is a killer whale I mean he's the top of the food chain yeah and
00:50:30
and I'm sure Shane's made peace with it since then you know and David are
00:50:34
friends now they've had a couple of tequila nights together and yeah do you do you feel
00:50:40
um You probably don't it's just business but I mean they were we talked about the
00:50:45
interview that they did on a show it's called Uh close up at seven with Sansone
00:50:48
I remember it yeah and there was like it wasn't quality trash talk it wasn't
00:50:52
Conor McGregor style but it was high quality trash cool you think so why because it was authentic and it wasn't
00:50:59
and Shane was probably putting it on a bit right but tour wasn't Tua I remember
00:51:05
Shane and and and and giving David a hard time and it was just Shane doing the best he could from a trash talk
00:51:11
point of view he's a high quality human being and a great guy but David tour he
00:51:16
wasn't trash talking he did something like he he moved his neck around like that and made it crack and he just
00:51:21
looked I think at Shane and says I'm really going to hurt you and thank you for the opportunity that was about as
00:51:27
authentic as it gets yeah you know what I mean when David tour had never said anything like that in his entire career
00:51:33
and Kenny rainsfield who's a good mate of mine I've known for 30 years was
00:51:37
manager of Shane he really got under David's skin and he was doing things which as a promoter you look at him go
00:51:45
thanks Kenny you just did a great job and of course that sold massively well both at the venue down in Hamilton and
00:51:51
uh and on TV yeah Shane and our podcast he talks about regrets he's gone and he
00:51:55
conducted himself in a way that's not not him to his core yeah but do you feel
00:51:59
a little bit good about that because I feel I feel like you guys made him made him well not made him instead of hyped
00:52:04
the fight because all you can do right at the end of the day all these Fighters make their own decisions as to what they
00:52:10
do and all you can do is provide the platform and Kenny in particular Kenny really got he'd been a promoter himself
00:52:16
and Kenny rainsfield who was Shane's manager understood the need for promotion and Kenny was a genuine tough
00:52:22
guy as well you know he represented New Zealand in the Commonwealth Games I think he went to the Olympics as a
00:52:27
wrestler and one of the great stories about Kenny rainsfield is that going back 10 years ago and he's going to hate
00:52:35
that I tell the story but Kenny could hold himself well and account when it come to a street fight right because
00:52:42
he'd have all his background of wrestling but he got into a fight with a guy in ponsonby Road who was lesser
00:52:49
fighting more an altercation which the other guy should never have started but Kenny did something I've never heard
00:52:55
anyone do and was the most painful thing of anything in anyone's life he grabbed
00:53:00
the guy by the hand his thumb like that and he snapped it down with a quick movement so he broke the guy's thumb and
00:53:06
I've thought about that on many of occasions as one how do you think about doing that and two the pain and her that
00:53:14
you were reflected on someone yes is beyond beyond thoughts it's like torture
00:53:19
oh mate that's like medieval [ __ ] you know so Kenny was a he was an interesting cat and he's now chairman of
00:53:26
the New Zealand Warriors amazing there you go amazing so yes after the um the fight of the century the two of the
00:53:32
Cameron thing um it's when you you uh Duco started working with um Joseph Parker yeah I started they brought they
00:53:40
brought me into the company right I owned half of it okay and you you guys did a phenomenal job with Joseph Parker
00:53:48
like what what no look what was that noise all I can take it from is like um I was
00:53:58
on a top 40 radio station called The Edge and we'd never have a boxer on yeah
00:54:01
you guys um presented us with Joe Parker well I think we had him on as a favor for you because you're a nice guy and I
00:54:07
like it yeah and then he did a good job on the air and see then that relationship was formed so yeah you guys
00:54:13
sort of made Joseph Parker like a mainstream household name in a French sport all we did was provide the
00:54:18
platform and Joe took advantage of it don't forget David tour versus Linux Lewis
00:54:23
was the number one rating show of all time on television in New Zealand so to say boxing was a French sport I think
00:54:30
it's a probably a bit of a stretch because and I know it's not the All Blacks right but
00:54:34
tour went to fight for the heavyweight championship of the world his rise was well documented in New Zealand media
00:54:39
then Shane Cameron came along and he was there and Joe was sort of the next alliteration of that standing on these
00:54:45
shoulders to some degree so uh but Joe definitely all you do is provide the platforms up to the individual athlete
00:54:51
to take advantage of it yeah we have we hassled at people and got them on where we had to get them on and if they're no
00:54:58
good here's what my experience is most of these guys they start off not so good in the media some of them are born
00:55:04
to it right but most of them aren't that good but the more you throw them in you
00:55:07
can give them the media train in the world I'm not a big fan of it the more you throw them in the more you do it the
00:55:12
more comfortable they get and you start to see the real person come out and that's all we did with Joe was just keep
00:55:16
throwing them and throwing them and Joe's got a lovely personality and he's
00:55:19
a genuinely good guy you know so when that starts to come out it's quite amazing that he boxes for a living
00:55:25
Because deep down to be a boxer you've got to give some angry [ __ ] going on
00:55:28
yeah he's not a Savage is he I think deep down he still loves to fight anybody who loves to fight and
00:55:35
what look not everyone's going to be Conor McGregor right yeah but in all boxes good or bad but the really really
00:55:43
good ones what Conor McGregor's got going on the outside a lot of these boxes have got going on the inside they
00:55:48
just don't show it because mate it is not a normal thing to do these are the
00:55:52
Gladiators the mod Gladiators there's only about ten thousand maybe 15 000 professional boxes in the world and out
00:56:00
of those fifteen thousand no more than a hundred to 200 will make money out of it
00:56:04
and no more than 10 make the millions that you hear about you know so it's a
00:56:09
very very competitive Sport and it's uh it's very very cutthroat see what you want to drive back up who
00:56:18
called you but was it Kevin Barry was it yeah I think it was Liam's talking in the background I'm pretty
00:56:28
sure he's right was Judith Collins who was Joe's Auntie oh the Old National
00:56:33
party leader yeah really yes right Professor Collins my memory is terrible right concussions
00:56:40
oh I'm also of the opinion there's only so much your brain can do yeah yeah and
00:56:45
sometimes stuff comes in if it's going to stay there something's got to go out
00:56:48
to Wrangle around now you're right Liam Judas Collins did ring me about and tell
00:56:53
me about him see he wasn't on your radar at that point no no no and look this is a long time
00:56:59
ago crikey when did we first started promoting um Joseph 2010 maybe it's like 12 years ago it
00:57:08
just goes so fast what was that what was that groaning noise you made before when I when I
00:57:13
brought up Joseph Parker I just do cover is not a period in my life that I want to talk too much about I have zero zero
00:57:20
respect for the bloke awesome business four I think it's fairly well known why
00:57:23
we separated I mean it seems like a sad in a way because you guys were incredibly successful together and I
00:57:29
hope maybe there would come a time maybe they won't where you can look back and
00:57:31
reflect on that but it's yeah it seems sad like um like Kevin Kevin Barry and
00:57:36
David tour like it's another very very successful relationship that had a terrible split and it seems sad in a way
00:57:42
that you can't rescue anything from it at the end you guys were successful I
00:57:46
think you had the Charisma of the operation and I I don't know I'm guessing here but you you both bought
00:57:52
different things to your partnership it as a partnership you and David were very
00:57:56
success useful I can tell the way you're sitting here like I don't want to talk about one day I
00:58:02
might one day I might serialize it you know and tell what really went on and why I was separated one day and he
00:58:08
himself for that one day when it comes I can promise you that there's no no love lost no relationship
00:58:15
there now no um I once run into them in the gray Lynn RSA and I ended up chasing around a car
00:58:23
and unfortunately I'm fat and overweight and he's quite skinny so it's like I'm
00:58:27
like Wiley Coyote chasing the Road Runner and I just wish I could but that's not for the podcast
00:58:52
well I mean like time time he was done has a lot of words so maybe there'll become a time
00:58:58
where no chance wow not ever you don't want to get into any of I mean I've heard some marimbas over the years
00:59:07
about what happened but your neighbors are probably true right um but I've got a saying in life like you
00:59:14
know you shouldn't believe everything everything you hear uh they are usually
00:59:17
you know where there's some smoke there's some fire but yeah it's fair to
00:59:21
say you shouldn't believe everything you hear yeah yeah um move on okay so then so after after 2K that I I hope
00:59:29
there comes a time where you can look back on on that period um uh you know with some sort of pleasure because um
00:59:35
yeah what you did was very very successful you deserve it we did some okay things you know like the rise of
00:59:41
Joe Parker that was that was a lot that was a lot of fun and seeing someone like
00:59:44
Joe being successful also the NRL Auckland nines was you know that's right I forgot about the nrl9s
00:59:51
yeah that was very successful and uh that was very that was probably the most gratifying thing for me because we got
00:59:57
to bring rugby league you know to Auckland and it was a real great celebration of rugby league and
01:00:03
the Auckland rugby league Community got to come together and you know we we got NRL players out into the clubs and it
01:00:09
was really cool that was very cool been from a league background so then so then
01:00:14
um post Duke you go to Australia yep um how come why did you well when we had the split I went with
01:00:21
Jeff Horn who with Australian fighter Australian boxer welterweight and the Zenith of Jeff Horn was to fight Manny
01:00:28
Pacquiao at suncorp stadium and he beat many 51 000 people turned up for that event and
01:00:34
it's probably the signature event in boxing in Australia even to today um Manny pacca a little little Filipino
01:00:40
he used to be the president of the Philippines he ran for president ran for prison but Manny was in all one of the
01:00:45
all-time great stars of the game and he fought against the guy and I think Manny's end of that fight
01:00:51
was about 100 million dollars Bob's Aaron's in was about 50 million and Floyd's was probably about 150 million
01:00:57
so they made some serious money out of that so you were involved in negotiations not for that fight yeah but
01:01:03
for the one in Brisbane that we did yeah we I did it from top to bottom so your dealings with um Manny Pacquiao uh with
01:01:10
Bob Aaron right right Manny was a lot of fun was he a lot of fun when we we did a
01:01:15
bit of it he didn't need dog in Australia many was one of the most generous men
01:01:21
Manny Pacquiao did [ __ ] I've never seen in my life so he comes over to do a
01:01:26
promotional tour no he comes over for the fight and I had to have a quarter of a million dollars in cash which was
01:01:34
Manny money and many money was given out to all of the the cohorts that had come
01:01:40
over so he hired a private plane and brought about a hundred to 150 people with them all stayed in the hotel who
01:01:46
like his Entourage yes like all his friends Manny Pacquiao how many staff how many staff and how many friends I
01:01:53
honestly I couldn't tell you but what I had to have that quarter million dollars
01:01:57
ready for him when he got there and that was handed out he brought to that event
01:02:02
see every fighter gets an allocation to the fight nights and how much you know their tickets to give away he brought
01:02:08
850 000 worth of tickets to that fight I kid you not and so and we had to give him a
01:02:16
quarter of a million bucks as he got off the plane it was all deductible a person
01:02:19
stuff like that so many had this progression of Filipinos coming in from all around Australia which he's handing
01:02:26
out money and tickets to to go to the fight and whatever he's and generous like he'd be getting someone to shine
01:02:31
his shoes at the airport and give him a hundred dollar U.S tip wow Manny is the only boxer I've ever been out with who
01:02:38
offers to pay for stuff right so we went out and had a dinner and maybe there was
01:02:42
a couple of grand and there's a whole lot of people and it was he he's pulling
01:02:46
money out of his pocket to pay and go Mania you don't have to do this you know
01:02:49
I was um but many formed a friendship with a very very unique character called Jim
01:02:56
bannigan Jim's a very good friend of mine and I don't know how to describe Jimmy's
01:03:01
an Australian agent player manager he's been a very good friend of me a very
01:03:05
good friend but he is one unique individual and Jim is the guy in life that you can equally hate and love at
01:03:11
the same time because he will really piss you off I mean piss you off with things you've never seen before he was
01:03:17
at the time quite an obese overweight white Australian male with great religious beliefs and that's why
01:03:24
he's a Catholic and that's why him and Manny because the Filipinos are very
01:03:28
very religious and very Catholic so him and many Struck it off but we went on this bit of a tour and um Manny made the
01:03:36
mistake of giving Jim a bit of lip now Manny Pacquiao couldn't give anyone lip in the world
01:03:42
that he wants because he's Manny Pacquiao so we're in a small bus going from place to place doing his
01:03:47
promotional gigs and Jim Bennigan turned around and looked at him and says Manny Pacquiao
01:03:54
you can go and get [ __ ] now I promise you in 25 years of Manny Pacquiao being who he is he's never been told to get
01:04:02
[ __ ] in his entire life man he took one look at this fat overweight red-faced Australian telling them to get
01:04:09
[ __ ] and what the things he's going to do and he just cracked up laughing fell
01:04:12
on the floor of the bus and he's never laughed so hard in his life so you have
01:04:16
you meet some interesting characters and you and interesting things happen along
01:04:20
the way but equally that same guy Jim oh this is typical Jim bannigan right so I had Jim doing the media
01:04:28
uh on this Manny Pacquiao bloody tour and I sent him into the Philippines where many lived uh with a whole lot of
01:04:36
media worked him quite hard and Jimmy was under stress and pressure so Jimmy had a stroke about three weeks before
01:04:43
the fight so I'm very concerned about Jim because people die from Strokes so I
01:04:48
go in to see him one day I've made a few phone calls we're going to see him at
01:04:51
the hospital one day and he's got his whole family's around him and he looks
01:04:55
up at me and says this is your [ __ ] fault that's just over the top yeah but you
01:05:11
know you have you have your so there's some good yards you meet some interesting people yeah so financially
01:05:17
how are you now if you don't don't quite well out of um duko and Australia the
01:05:21
last few years look why are you living with your mum and your sister I'm sort of in between places right now
01:05:27
look we've done okay yeah it hasn't been brilliant we've done okay I've got some
01:05:30
land that I'm looking to develop up in taupaki at the moment but it's been you
01:05:34
know it hasn't because of the uh the entrepreneurial ride that you take man I've had ups and downs all over the
01:05:41
place what's your relationship with money money like now are you sort of neutral to it or I think so yeah like
01:05:49
Everyone likes would like to have a bit more of it and um and I've been very
01:05:53
very lucky I've similar had some amazing investors come along along the way and
01:05:57
wanted to be part of the journey so uh I think the path going forward is going to be a lot smoother as a result
01:06:04
you know we get a lot of advice off different people um you'd like to be more successful than
01:06:09
what you are but at the end of the day you know money is something that you should use
01:06:15
to just help you get through life and obviously you want to get ahead right but you know as you get older it becomes
01:06:21
less and less of a focus and and you want to be spending time with more time with family and friends but you also
01:06:27
want to have that success and then your financial side to help you achieve that more and more you know but it seems like
01:06:34
you you don't have an ego at all I think um I think you've got to have an ego to
01:06:39
get things done yeah you know like there you go I suppose like an ego like um when you when you went through that
01:06:46
circus stuff and then you know you you were stripped back to be a Basics like not even in the biggest room in the
01:06:51
house yeah um yeah I suppose you learned a lot about yourself then well when you go
01:06:56
through shitty times like that your ego takes a bit of a hammering yeah and you're not quite as good as you thought
01:07:01
you were you know and uh but you look back at those times and if I could look I had really good times in there it's
01:07:09
just if you could do it without the stress and the pressure you know stress and pressure is one of the
01:07:15
[ __ ] of life and and along the way I've worked out that I suffer from anxiety up until probably
01:07:24
five six years ago I didn't realize that I did but it's probably been a part of
01:07:28
your life for a very very long time what do you mean what did that look like for
01:07:31
you um like panic attacks or no no no no um your guts tuning on a regular basis worrying about how you're going to solve
01:07:39
problems overthinking things thinking things over and over and over again and it's only been the realization that
01:07:46
you do it you go oh wow okay this is what sort of I used to do some work for the phobic trust and they used to do
01:07:52
some stuff around anxiety and at the time I didn't know what was really all about but now I do and it's only with
01:07:58
realization that you you suffer from it you go oh okay now we've got to work out
01:08:03
how do you deal with this and I think that's been you know and one of my pet
01:08:07
things in life is I don't want to go through anxiety and I think a lot of people do and it's a shitty place to be
01:08:13
because that feeling in your guts that you you just work to get rid of it yeah fortunately there are I can actually I
01:08:20
think I can identify why I get it when you can identify why you get it then you can help yourself get rid of it Well
01:08:26
everybody's different why is it for you oh all sorts of different things yeah it
01:08:30
could be anything it could be um I don't know let's just say we're going to
01:08:34
announce a fight night and we haven't got a couple of guys signed up you start
01:08:38
thinking about it and go you know but all the thinking in the world doesn't necessarily solve the problem if you're
01:08:44
thinking the same [ __ ] over and over again yeah I I I saw a therapist a couple a couple of years ago and um she
01:08:50
asked me like about overthinking and doing that stuff and she said when you catch yourself doing it you just got to
01:08:56
pause and ask yourself is this helpful yes and it never is but it's easier said
01:09:00
than done to then just throw it in the back it's taking me years to work it out
01:09:04
and it's taken me years to understand I'm not sure I'm brilliant at getting
01:09:08
rid of it but it's taken me years to work out okay I when I get into work and
01:09:13
attack problems one by one by one the anxiety disappear years and you get on with it right but it's when you've got
01:09:18
that thinking time and and the worst time and this is I think this goes for everyone is when you wake up so two or
01:09:24
three in the morning as you get older and you're going to start suffering this
01:09:27
for whatever reason older blokes get up at two or three in the morning they have
01:09:31
a purse I don't know why it is but they do and if you can't get back to sleep
01:09:34
that's when it's at its worst you know I've talked to a lot of my mates about
01:09:37
it and they're all the same you know it's funny because you sell legit going to be the next
01:09:41
question I ask you like how do you sleep at night yeah well most amazing I get I
01:09:46
go to bed early right it's early like nine ten earlier 8 30 9. does your mum
01:09:53
make you no I quite like it I'm on the bed before we love that's truly tragic hey why are you
01:10:00
just exhausted at the end of the day or is it just yeah an old routine it's I've
01:10:04
always been to bed early you know and I always get up early and if you get up early you want to go to bed early so but
01:10:11
yeah but I do watch a lot of Netflix and I have seen the Big Bang Theory at least
01:10:16
five times maybe six every single episode but when you um I suppose a lot of a lot of your work at least from an
01:10:22
outsider's perspective is being on the phone like if you get up early what are
01:10:25
you doing for those hours when you can't ring people um the first thing I do is go and have
01:10:30
breakfast that's all and then you sort of start your day at 8 39 if you can and
01:10:35
then you're away you know yeah so I I like to try and finish like you try and do nine to five but that's
01:10:41
not how long yeah I get told all the time that I'm on the phone all the weekend and you get you're all on the
01:10:47
phone all sorts of different times and one of the things as you get older I think you try and be more present
01:10:52
in what you're doing rather than being on a phone call or being a hundred miles
01:10:56
away or thinking about something else try and be present in the moment because that moment ain't coming back you don't
01:11:02
know if your family or friends or whatever you're doing be in that moment because that's important yeah what's the
01:11:08
rest of your um life or career going to look like you're never going to retire
01:11:11
are you what are you now 57 57. you'll be one of these people that keeps working when you man you have to I would
01:11:18
rather not really really what would you do what would retirement look like um retirement would look different to
01:11:24
what I do now right but you know I would like to have my build my Airbnb up in taupaki and have people from around the
01:11:34
world come and stay there and then six months of the year go off and do what you've got to do you know whether it be
01:11:40
Gold Coast whether it be going to the states whether it began England hanging out you know hanging out with friends
01:11:46
and family in particularly we've got Liam over here you know we used to do a
01:11:49
lot of traveling I'd like to get back to that but at the moment we've got to you know
01:11:53
we've just finished up in Australia we've got to rebuild our business back
01:11:56
here and mate there's another you know fight to be had literally and figuratively and we're
01:12:02
slowly getting there you know so um yeah as um is your relationship with your son
01:12:08
one of the things you'd say you're most proud of in your life oh yeah yeah it's
01:12:12
the number one priority I mean he's been sitting here he's a grown ass man but
01:12:16
he's been sitting here watching this whole interview and I think that says a
01:12:18
lot about a lot about you as a person and a lot about the relationship that you guys have together Liam
01:12:24
uh listens to more podcasts than any man I know so it will be remiss of me not to
01:12:29
bring him down to see how they're made he haven't seen hundreds of them yeah
01:12:33
but it's it's a podcast but it's still listening to your old man talk [ __ ] for
01:12:36
an hour and a quarter well there's no there's no there's nothing I've said
01:12:41
that he hasn't heard yeah right right well that's cool well you've always had
01:12:45
a real close relationship with them as as I said you used to come on my radio show and give them a shout out that was
01:12:49
the first thing you did and the fact that you're in business together now it's still incredibly close I think
01:12:52
that's his lot not every not every Father and Son relationship is like that no they're not and I'm sure I drive a
01:12:58
mentor quite often and I'm sure there's a number of times when he wants to
01:13:02
headbutt me and to be fair he would probably be quite right in doing so like Liam's managed to see things in our
01:13:08
business that I haven't seen and he's given me advice at times that I haven't
01:13:11
taken and I need to listen closer because he's got some great ideas that he understands
01:13:18
a macro part of our business you know so there's a lot of things we do now because if there's suggestions yeah I'll
01:13:23
say yeah yeah I suppose young ideas fresh ideas different perspectives not big time and if he really really
01:13:28
understands this game because maybe watches and loves the fights that we do and he loves UFC and he understands
01:13:35
media so you know it's a pretty good it's it's a pretty good ground yeah and
01:13:39
he's been rounded all his life Christ I got photographs of Liam when he was five
01:13:43
or six when I'm fighting and he's in the corner with a sinuses go Dad that's
01:13:47
pretty cool oh how cool yeah and what about um what about you personally yeah you hope to find the one do you believe
01:13:52
in soul mates I'm not holding my breath I've managed to get to 57 years and haven't quite you
01:14:00
know got there yet so yeah actually I was talking to um I I just had 50 the other week I've
01:14:05
got a mate has a similar age and he broke up how long you've been single for
01:14:08
now no four or five years oh I've been seeing I've been seeing a single lady
01:14:11
for the past year right um but me and JJ we broke up about five years ago is that your first marriage
01:14:17
yeah yeah yeah yeah I've got to make that broke up with his wife a similar time and he's he said the thing that
01:14:22
he's worried about is like getting like set in his ways now because he quite
01:14:25
enjoys being single now yeah and just being able to do as he pleases when he pleases but I think you like you're a
01:14:31
great guy and you've got a lot to offer someone I feel like you've learned a lot
01:14:33
about yourself as you've evolved you might want to give me one Dom give you one like metaphorically
01:14:42
speaking who knows like do you like are you on any apps or anything or no no no no no so you'd want
01:14:52
to meet someone organically like that yeah I don't think about it too often yeah
01:14:57
like if these things if they happen to happen if they don't they don't you know
01:15:01
it is what it is yeah and you just get on and at the moment I got other priorities and the priorities I
01:15:07
gotta we just we're coming back into New Zealand we've got to reestablish
01:15:10
ourselves back here we've got a whole lot of good ideas and we just got to bid
01:15:13
them in and get them done and most importantly we've got some Fighters signed to us who are very very good at
01:15:18
what they do and we they deserve to have a platform you know these guys are seriously seriously talented so uh we've
01:15:25
just got to provide the platform for them to do what they do best yeah well it's great to have you back in New
01:15:29
Zealand and to be here man I got to tell you like when you're overseas Australia
01:15:33
is a very very tough place to do business is that if you're a kiwi or for anyone for anyone like a lot of people
01:15:39
would say it's one of the hardest markets between that and China is the hardest markets in the world to crack
01:15:43
and uh it's it's nice being home with family and friends and what have you can
01:15:48
go and see on a regular basis you know you run into people in the street and stuff which is because you haven't lived
01:15:53
there all your life it doesn't happen in Australia yeah yeah and I mean back here
01:15:56
here you run into your mum and your sister every time you go home and how good is that
01:16:00
how good is that yeah that's gonna tell you this man when I was 21 the last thing I would have thought I'd be doing
01:16:06
is saying I love living with my mum and my sister but I do and I love I tell you
01:16:11
what else I love doing I love going down to waiheke on the weekends and living and and starting with dad's place at
01:16:17
Rocky Bay you know so little things in life man that's cool you're quite family
01:16:22
orientated as you get older you be you know you realize how important it is yeah but often as you get older you
01:16:28
realize how important it is but it's like if you had if you didn't have the
01:16:31
relationship with your son all the way through and you decide now it's important no no I agree yeah I agree
01:16:36
yeah you need to do the work all the way through yeah I'm talking about extended
01:16:39
family but even extended family when we were young we used to all going to work you on them for Christmas you know like
01:16:45
and you've been there for six weeks and you had six or different eight branches
01:16:48
of the family there and you'd hang out together on a regular basis and you don't realize you just think it's normal
01:16:53
right you don't realize our special letters until you actually you get older
01:16:57
and other people don't get to do that sort of stuff you know Mom and Dad they
01:17:01
had they built their first house in Massey they built a bloody they brought a section and built a house or built a
01:17:07
batch down at waiheke and we've had this lifelong affiliation with with waiheke
01:17:12
and Rocky Bay you know which goes right back to my grandparents in the 30s built
01:17:16
a place of Rocky Bay and back then they have to do like a one and a half hour trip on a tram or a bus to get to the
01:17:23
downtown then the ferry was another sort of two hours and they used to catch a milk cart from bloody the rocky Bay
01:17:31
store up to their place you know so it was five or six hours to get down there and they had six kids in tow
01:17:36
so uh it's amazing how times change you know and she said would have been your
01:17:40
dream being on the milk truck yeah you believe this you know sections back then when I was maybe 22 23 I had the
01:17:49
opportunity to buy sections for five thousand dollars a section those same sections are half a million bucks now
01:17:55
it's quite amazing with a passion of time you know but you got no regrets about
01:18:00
your financial decisions or anything yeah financial decisions of course yeah because if you could change three or
01:18:06
four fundamental decisions along the way life would be a lot easier but at the end of the day you can't change it so
01:18:11
you can't think too much about it the best you think you can do I think is learn from it learn learn from your
01:18:15
mistakes unfortunately wise people learn from other people's mistakes I have to learn from my own so uh you
01:18:24
know hopefully we've learned all the mistakes from the mistakes we've made
01:18:28
and we can Implement and go well I feel like you're living with your mum and
01:18:30
your sister by choice so it's not like a financial decision to be bluntly honest if I wanted to live
01:18:36
elsewhere I probably could but for Christ's sake don't tell them that they
01:18:41
can't see this podcast hey mate it's been wonderful sitting down with you
01:18:45
today I really appreciate you being so generous with your time and your stories it's all right brother and it's
01:18:49
wonderful to be here and it's great to see you're out having a crack by yourself and fingers crossed you get you
01:18:55
know you get up to a couple hundred thousand listens a show and you can sell it off for millions of dollars just like
01:18:59
Joe Rogan did that's that's [ __ ] terrifying doing something on your own I
01:19:03
mean this is new to me but you've been doing it for decades now but see what's
01:19:06
really interesting for you is this is not new to you you've been doing this exact thing for 30 years this is just an
01:19:12
extension of what you've done the only thing you're doing differently is you
01:19:17
don't have the guaranteed income and you've got to get out and sell it yourself and all those sales reps and
01:19:22
Those Years Gone by that you used to curse and swear for having you to read [ __ ] and endure stuff you didn't want to
01:19:26
endorse you're going they actually might have been good blokes because they helped pay my wages yeah they used to
01:19:32
say things like oh I pay you a wages and I'll be like [ __ ] off without the
01:19:35
ratings I deliver you've got nothing to sell exactly but I do understand it now
01:19:39
yeah well and the thing yeah eating a bag of [ __ ] yeah and look you know Dom I'm sure you're going to end up doing
01:19:46
this you'll be the biggest podcast in the country very very quickly you've
01:19:50
only done what 56 57 apps yeah just a year on a year that's incredible man what are you doing one a week yeah one
01:19:55
per week I think I think Joe Rogan does three a week three a week I'd love to
01:20:00
build up to that level yeah yeah something is you know the the the the the um things been set he's done something
01:20:07
like 1935 apps or something because I've become quite a follower of him and he's
01:20:12
really impressive it's incredible and you look back to the early stuff like he
01:20:15
was doing this 10 years ago so he's like an overnight sensation there it's been
01:20:18
years and years grafting away and he probably did it just because he loved doing it 100 yeah there were no
01:20:23
Financial reward in the first however many years which is I guess why you're
01:20:27
doing this is yeah of course you want Financial recompense but you actually like doing what you do yeah and you're
01:20:31
good at it look at some of the interviews you've done like Mike King I thought was outstanding oh thanks very
01:20:35
much yeah there's been some been some really really good ones and uh it's
01:20:38
getting easier and easier to get good people on the the issue that I have to get over is um I've always Associated
01:20:44
success with money right and I need to somehow split those two apart and realize that they're not always hand in
01:20:51
hand so I've had more feedback about this podcast I'm doing than what I had
01:20:55
in the last few years of radio so it's like I know I'm on to a good thing
01:20:58
that's because when um when you're doing short form radio like you have what a 3
01:21:02
three minute talk right yeah there's not much you can do you know it's like short
01:21:06
hits try and be funny get in and get out and you don't really get to talk in
01:21:11
depth like we're doing now oh 100 like if we're doing for a chat it would be
01:21:14
get Dean and talk about how he drinks milk get your Scala point and then send you on your way yeah pretty much you
01:21:21
know we wouldn't get to we wouldn't get to dig through the surface and find out
01:21:23
that you're living with your [ __ ] mum what's really fascinating right is that
01:21:27
what's really fascinating with social media it's all about short clips 15 30
01:21:31
seconds you want to get cut through get in and get out but Joe Rogan has shown that long-form media has got a real
01:21:40
place and that's what you you know you're starting to get into which is totally opposite to what you've done all
01:21:44
your life yeah which is pretty interesting that's enjoyable too it's enjoyable and I can't
01:21:50
thank you enough for coming and being so generous with your time today great to have you back in New Zealand and uh
01:21:54
those boxes that you mentioned at the beginning I look forward to um hearing more about them Andre michaelovich
01:21:59
Jerome pampalone and of course Jaya bataya who's the current IVF cruiserweight champion of the world
01:22:05
they're all very very special in their own way and they can really fight and
01:22:08
look ahead look out for them on the way through because they're about to do some
01:22:12
cool stuff sounds like a made-up name it's too good to be true he actually hit the open tires I think
01:22:20
come from West Auckland originally oh so he's been over there for a couple of
01:22:23
generations but yeah he's a he's something very very special all right and so are you Dean lonigan thanks
01:22:30
for your time good man