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hey Runners only with dime Harley Runners only with dom Harvey and for the second time Archibald Arch jelly g'day
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mate hi dog so great to have you back here move that microphone in a little bit uh
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first of all thank you so much for coming here it was um it was actually a little bit of a challenge you you were
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reluctant to do this I messaged you and you said to me um what what more is there to talk about
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we caught up a year ago not much has happened since then yeah well I don't think it is nothing much has changed I I
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don't think yeah but um I mean last year we we spoke for uh like an hour and you
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were 99 at the time so I mean come on that's like that's like 36 to 40 seconds
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per year of your life and it's been an amazing rich life and it's still going
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so I feel like there's a there's there's a lot to tap into and A lot's happened
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on the podcast since the last year I've got a studio set up now yeah um right TV cameras and stuff so and
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you're such a remarkable man with a remarkable mind and you've seen so much
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and done so much um and it's an honor and a privilege to have you here to um get some of these
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stories and preserve them so that people can watch them in the future no I hope they were just listening to of
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course they are uh first of all I I outsourced a lot of the questions for today I said on social media that you're
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coming over and there were thousands of comments a lot of them from former students
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so many of them like uh Tim Stevens who's 43 said uh Arch was my first Primary School principal how is he still
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alive and then there was uh Penny Burton who was at Mount roskill in 1960. oh yes I
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remember her well oh you don't do you no do you of course from 60 years ago yeah uh flew at Guthrie she says Arch
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was my principal at sunnybrae normal school in the 1980s would love him to share some funny or favorite memories
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from that time the 1980s yeah being a school principal and a school teacher for a big part of your life were there
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were there kids that had names that you associated with bad kids so you'd see
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the school role at the start of the year and you'd be like oh there's a oh
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there's a dougie Dougies are always bad news do you know what I mean no no no no
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no anybody anybody like that no never oh God there's a Dominic he's bound to be
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trouble all right all right I am something oh first of all how was your 100th birthday last year so we spoke um
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when you were 99 and three quarters uh you turned 100 you had a I saw the celebration on the news
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um how did you celebrate your 100th uh all sorts of uh celebrations and like there was a big one that uh at
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Pan song uh and you know many a lot of people there and then there was uh one at the bridge club and uh which was very
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enjoyable and then the next day we had the uh hundred by one mile relay and uh and even I had to no I was going to say
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run I didn't run I walked the uh the four laps of the track but I was accompanied by about 34 others I think
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on my leg so uh I think my uh I had the honor of uh of uh doing the slowest League
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you saw on your on your 100th birthday you run a mile which is four laps of the track now walked Walked it yeah okay
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yeah walked um how do you how do you feel after that at your age like are you exhausted after walking that far or ah
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not really because I was used to walking you know three or four k a day not that fast though yeah well it
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doesn't matter though does it you're still getting out you're still doing um
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a lot more physical activity than a lot of people three you know 75 years younger than you oh I'm doing a bit yeah
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I could I could do a bit more I think you know yeah yeah yeah yeah come on push yourself don't be lazy a bit lazy I
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see you're wearing it like a garment you're wearing a Garmin watch how many
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steps do you do in most days oh about uh I try and do about between five and six
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thousand yeah yeah yeah take the steps or do you take the elevator you take the elevator yeah
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occasionally I'll take the steps not often yeah um one thing that I since we've become
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acquainted one thing that I found quite interesting um so earlier this year I had Zane Robertson on my podcast uh it
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was like a oh this is after he um confessed to doping and received a seven year ban
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um and he he came on the podcast and it was very emotional and very tearful and then you reached out to me asking for
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his email address at the age of bloody 100. um can I ask what was your message to
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him what did you what did you say oh well you know I sympathize them in some ways but of course he he made uh a few
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bad decisions and you know you've got to live with that yeah there was it was very nice of you
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though to reach out I thought there was some remarkable you you still keep your finger on the pulse when it comes to
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Athletics oh absolutely yeah I've even noticed some on the the app Strava well
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whenever I upload a run sometimes I'll get a I'll get a like or a Kudos from
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Arts jelly I get the notification on my on my phone or my wrist and it makes me feel very happy
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makes me feel bad that I'm not running faster or longer yeah um and at the time of recording this uh
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it's an ambulance coming to get you uh Sam Tanner uh he has openly said that
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he'd like to break the New Zealand record for the one mile this year um which you and John Walker still hold
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oh I don't hold it you're very humble but you you don't you think you deserve some of the some of
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the critics coach I bet yeah so this was said in 1982. yeah twin John was 30. can
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you remember the time oh I think it was uh 349 08 correct yeah yeah how do you feel about
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that do you think Sam Tanner has gotten to beat that record uh I would think so yeah the uh
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uh it's very very hard to compare times uh present day times with times of the
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past how so oh well I mean the the tracks are improved the uh the springy shoes that they use that they they make
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a significant difference uh and if you compare say uh the times that Peter Snell did 144-3 in the the
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record is you know about three seconds faster but none of the present-day Runners could could match Peter's time
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on the on the grass track that he ran on yeah so it's hard to Compare running
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through it yeah and times it's remarkable isn't it that this was 41 years ago and this record still stands
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in spite of all the advancements oh it's incredible Runner yeah yeah how would you feel about would you
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would you rather die with that record still intact or would you like to see it beaten or are you just oh and different
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no it would it wouldn't worry me at all either way because all records are made
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to be broken yeah and I suppose it's a testament to John's ability and your
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coaching that it's uh stood for so long oh well you know he in in his time he
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was the uh the best in the world for you know for about three years and and you know
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that's what you've got to match really I mean I think Sam I I think he's a great
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Runner and uh the Birmingham games uh his run of you know 331 that was the highlight for me I thought it was a
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fantastic right now just shows that he's he's got the ability to uh you know go a
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long way still got so much love for the sport like I can see your eyes light up when
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you talk about Sam Tanner and what he's what he's doing do you regret um not coaching a bit longer no no no no
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no I know okay for years but you've still got so much so much knowledge and so much to offer
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oh yeah but it's um oh it's a great sport to be associated with yeah um can I ask you today uh the day that
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we're recording this um you're 100 years old um a couple of months away from turning
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uh 101 how old do you feel uh well I do feel a bit older than I than I previously felt but uh I don't
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know you can't put a number on it really but you wake up in the morning you feel
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good you wake up and you think I'm lucky it's another day or oh I just I just
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feel that you know the same as I've always felt what are the um as I said um I put on
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social media that you're coming in and got a lot of questions um this one or
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variations of it came up repeatedly uh what do you think of the top tips for a long healthy rewarding life
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oh I think the the main thing is is to keep moving and you need plenty plenty of exercise I mean of course when we
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were when we were young uh nobody had motor cars and we walked or or soccer everywhere and I remember when
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I used to I was walking working in the city in Dunedin and uh we used to get the cable car down and and if we if we
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missed the cable car we we ran down beat the cable car and uh so you know all good training and yeah we talked about
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your walking before so you're still active to this day what about and you're
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not um you're not a smoker um you're not much of a doctor I gave up smoking yeah
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yeah yeah but you told me this last year so you you smoked like a few times when
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you were like eight or something no no no no and drinking alcohol hasn't played much
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of a part in your life not really no no yeah um what about diet what's it what's an
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average day look like for the jelly house household oh we always have Partners decide whether we eat anything
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really no special diet yeah but you like in terms of like when you were a kid to now I'm guessing there
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wasn't a lot of processed food back then like there was no fast food no not much
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junk food it's quite healthy and clean growing up oh yes I grew up in the depression and so it
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seems were you know very tight where everybody was really hard up but we didn't feel uh deprived at all yeah so
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this is the Great Depression of the 1930s so you would have been um like 77 years old yeah no in the late
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late 20s late 20s yeah yeah things were pretty tough yeah what did your dad do for employment he was the local barber
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and a Tobacconist and he was a a Gallipoli veteran he's wounded there and and I think one and he was a tremendous
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smoker and we work at how many million cigarettes he smoked and but he had followed with all five of us and uh none
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of us have ever really smoked yeah heck what do you think that is how come none of the jelly kids took to her
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oh well it kills my father hmm but I mean so this is the like the 1930s we're talking about yeah I remember
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seeing TV commercials from like the 60s or 70s and they said doctors recommend smoking and yeah smoking was seen as
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like a cool sort of thing so you didn't have the knowledge back then that it was
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a killer no no it didn't no that's right you just didn't like it oh yeah
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don't know yeah just wasn't interested really yeah well that's lucky isn't it
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yeah and um what someone wanted to ask what's your earliest memory I I know on
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the podcast last year you shared a story um about your brother chopping your finger off when you were fine oh no I
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think I I've got one earlier recollection that's when uh I was at the uh I think it was called the uh the
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South Seas Exhibition at in Logan Park in Dunedin and I was on I think I was about four and I was on a little
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Merry-Go-Round and and I think if I had blew off and a nice I tried to get my head and I sort of
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fell off and they had to you know stop everything and then um yeah the lawn mowing thing
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for anyone that hasn't listened to the podcast last year so you and your brother were mowing the Lawns you said
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it was with scissors do you mean like sort of um shears or we didn't have a lawnmower and and it was only a small
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lawn and I was cutting the lawn with uh scissors ordinary scissors like okay like how
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sewing scissors yeah and uh my elder brother who's only uh you know two years
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older than me he uh dad had given him the hedge clippers and we got too close and uh one of my fingers had almost
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slashed off where's how did the surgeons do a good job what finger is it oh no oh
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it's oh that one there oh yeah oh hold it up to the camera oh wow wow and then so then um you you
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didn't have a vehicle so you had to run to the hospital I remember um uh my uh the tip of my finger was
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hanging by a thread I remember my father cutting it all and dropping it in the holes in the garden
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whereas today you'd have put a put it on ice on ice and reattached it and then we
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uh I was yeah I was about five or six I remember we walked up to the cable car and that's about uh a thousand meters or
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so and then took the cable car down to the city and then took the electric tram along and then walked from there to the
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hospital and then I was there for about a week were you quite calm or were you it wasn't really painful right right
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amazing uh someone wanted to know um if you've got any War Stories you were you
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were in a submarine run were you part of the Navy uh for a while yeah so this was World
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War II um how long were you were you away for you told me a story last year on the podcast about uh coming back home
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and not recognizing your little brother I I went away when I was uh 20 we went to uh in the Navy and we went to uh
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England via uh Panama New York and then and then to England and uh I had my uh 21st birthday at in Jack Dempsey's bar
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in New York but I wasn't a drinker at all but we were in the that's where we had had the
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celebration and then I was in the three months course at uh shotley gate in England that's near Ipswich Colchester
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and then I was posted to uh a cruiser just uh HMS Bermuda and we were on the Russian Convoy and we went
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to uh picked up the Convoy uh just uh just near uh in Iceland rich javik and then
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we went on to uh Nicola Inlet and we were and we were very lucky because the the weather was bad uh very low
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visibility and uh low clouds so we we didn't there were no uh the German submarines and the uh uh planes and that
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sort of thing we never saw them and on the way back it was the same we had bad weather and we got through and nobody
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and no ships in the Convoy were were sunk do you look back now and think how lucky you were that uh that you made it
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home November December which is in in the middle of winter over there and of course tremendously cold but on the uh
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uh action stations where I was I was down about uh three flights in the uh in the high angle control room and very
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warm down there because we know no show getting out of anything happened you know you heard in the bells of the ship
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but you never thought about that sort of thing yeah it was it only when you when
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you get home or as you get a bit older that you think actually that could have been very very different yeah well thank
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you for serving our country I appreciate that how many years were you gone for because you did mention last night when
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we got back uh to uh UK I was seconded to the uh what they call The King Alfred that was at Hove near
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Brighton and I did the uh uh sub lieutenants course and when I was there uh at the end of
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the course they you had to say which branch of the Navy uh you'd you'd like to serve in
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and not that that would make any difference because but you are like put you with a tough life so for some
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unknown reason I said I'd like to uh soon in the submarine service I don't
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know why uh generate so I was sent up to uh lies up in Northumberland and I I did
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the submarine Corsair which was fairly stringent and then I was supposed to uh Coastal submarines
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either as a uh torpedo or Gunnery officer or my last job was officer Navigator I
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suppose being a young a young man from Dunedin like the thought of even seeing a submarine let alone being
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on one is quite enticing hmm I I think I was going to say to after I finished the
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uh the course the sub of tenders course at King Alfred some bus were sent to Greenwich to do sort of a
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uh or sort of to learn the ways of the Navy you know to have the right demeanor for an officer all that sort of stuff
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and I suppose they tried to make a gentlemen out of here and who who was it the uh somebody said I was just thinking
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the famous New Zealander uh I can't record who it was but he said uh about this course he said we're not
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gentlemen we're new zealanders I love it how's your how's your mental
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health been over the years mental health is a it's a very very big topic now and
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um you know you look at the the statistics and stuff and uh you know we're in a mental health crisis here in
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New Zealand but something that has struck me with um the elderly people I've had on the podcast is it's just not
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something that was ever discussed about or almost seemingly not even a thing how's yours been over the years I mean
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you don't get to 100 without you know dealing with a lot of heartbreak loss grief and sadness oh no I've just sort
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of coped okay you know yeah what's been the what's been some of the toughest times
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I'm thinking of the passing of your of your wife yeah you know you would together for many many years oh yeah
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well that was that was very sudden we you know it was all over in the month we didn't know anything about it you know
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you've just got to you know you just got to come to terms with that sort of thing
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yeah where does that resilience come from do you think I'm not sure really uh
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yeah I'm not sure really but that uh the uh the phrase the philosophy I I quite
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like and it's probably what uh and Martin have had it then but there's a
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uh you know the actor Michael Kane yeah well uh he was when he was uh first acting as a young actor he was ready to
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uh come on stage and there were there were a couple already on the stage and they were having a violent quarrel and
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somebody who won them through a chair and it and it it blocked uh the entrance way where Marco was
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supposed to come on and he said there's quite my gun to do and uh the director
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said use the difficulty and by that so he said he used the difficulty he said if it's a tragedy
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submission's here and if it's a comedy fall over it and so by that he meant that even though
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a situation might be very very bad it's uh there will be something good that you know can come out of it it's
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just finding that silver lining is it yeah and then right in the last few months we've uh Gene and
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I have both stopped driving and and that's sort of a situation which you know you're not very keen on because
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you're tends to take away some of your independence of course but uh there are
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positives in that because firstly uh uh you're far better off financially without having a car and uh and secondly
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you can you're forced to do a lot more walking so it helps your general fitness
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so that was the so we were using the difficulty yeah because a lot of people these days
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talk about just the um the you know the impact that the the pandemic and the lockdowns that had on people and the
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impact it's had on our mental health but I mean just some of the stories you've
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read it off in the last 20 minutes about you know your dad coming back from Gallipoli and uh you being raised in the
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Great Depression you're going to war and you think of all the things that you've
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said in your lifetime and um you've just seemed to manage to like just brush
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everything off and just you know keep and carry on as the postices yeah well I think yeah I think you've
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got to I think you know your attitude to what so and your philosophy of life you
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know plays a big difference as opposed to you know a big part you know thanks for sharing that Insight
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someone wanted to ask the question um and I I being exactly half your age myself 50 I like this question uh what's
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been better the first half or the second half just while you think about that I was um
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thinking about that on the drive to your retirement village this morning to pick
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you up um all your huge successes with John Walker happened in the second half career you know career-wise it's a
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running coach yeah probably did yeah yeah so what about anything's been a first half second half yeah when uh
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when I I started coaching John Walker I'd served you know a very long apprenticeship so it was really uh you
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know it was really a collision between a fairly seasoned coach and a and a in a a
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fantastic athlete and so uh I was lucky that I'd served at apprenticeship first
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so I I knew what I was talking about and what I was doing yeah so the hard work was done in the in the first half of
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your life and then you managed to to rip the fruits of your labor in the second half yeah because I've got a lot of
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friends the same age as me who are 50 and they're sort of like winding down you know that but I reckon it's like a
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it's a halfway mark and it's a new chapter and uh you're never too old to
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do anything new right oh absolutely yeah uh when did you notice people started to
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treat you differently because you were old okay I was probably yeah just since I turned 100 are they
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because I yeah that'd be right what do you I I would I would have thought people would treat you like more
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special since you're 100 like uh I don't know like like put you on a bit
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of a pedestal do you know what I mean oh no if I if I get a ride at a taxi and uh and uh and I mentioned that uh
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perhaps that I'm the oldest client he's ever had they they're absolutely staggered yeah
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well I think it's just I mean a lot of people say they they want to live to a
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lot of younger people or people my age say they want to live to 100 and I mean you uh I think you're the poster child
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for that because everyone wants to it's a figure it's almost like a mythical
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figure because not many people make it and to make it to 100 still be physically fit and mentally as capable
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as what you are I think um this is something that like everyone would aspire to so people want to like tap
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into that and find out if there is a secret no I don't I don't think there's
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any secret because you need a bit of luck because I mean I've survived quite
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a few you know fractures and uh operations and that sort of thing yeah you had a when did you get your
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knee done and 90 my knee yeah it was a full knee replacement I was I was quite young and I was only 98.
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I'm amazed were they reluctant to give you one like were they scared of the complications at that age or no Did you
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sort of have to push for it no no they seemed to be quite happy yeah yeah and you recovered all right
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oh yes accepted it it was a very successful operation but uh the patient nearly died because he he managed to
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contact pneumonia which is a bit of a killer for the old boys you made it through
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um in your opinion is society better or worse than say 50 years ago in your opinion is society better or
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worse than say 50 years ago uh I think it's uh far more violent than it was and uh like uh when when I was
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brought up I mean if there was a murder that was an incredible event you know but now it happens every week
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yeah there's a very big difference aren't they yeah of course there's a far
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more a far greater population but even even taking it into account hmm what do you think that is as a lack
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of respect or don't know it's uh I think the uh the social media and the uh you know uh
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iPhones I've got one of course but I mean I mean that I think that's got a
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lot to uh that's you know every everything can be seen you know right away now and and
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it makes things very different yeah I think it's that Insight someone wanted
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to know this is a running question what do runners do now which Arch thinks we shouldn't be doing and where we should
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go back and learn from the days gone by I can think of one thing uh I I probably
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rely too much on my watch like I'm obsessed with my rock watch if my watch hasn't connected to the GPS satellite I
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don't start running back in the day I'm guessing John was just doing laps or whatever without a
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watch and maybe you had a stopwatch that's right yeah yeah I think I think the uh
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you know what they did like for example the athologies uh scheduled you know were fantastic really and uh you know he
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sort of uh spearhead a revolution in training but uh on the other hand uh that doesn't mean to say that uh there
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aren't better ways and like most uh uh coach coaches in most countries they would have adopted
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uh artist ideas and just about every uh uh every top athlete would would be in in debt to Arthur for that but they've
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accepted that but then they've gone on and developed some better ideas and puts
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on on top of what I had to steal it so uh so not like not Reinventing the wheel just sort of tweaking it yeah and and
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making so I think it would be a mistake to think that if you uh if you uh train exactly according to Arthur that you'd
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reach the top now you wouldn't because but you're still uh you won't reach the
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top though an issue except aftercide is and then pin your own uh ideas on top of
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that yeah did you and Arthur have much to do with each other or not really oh yes yeah we we but there's one thing
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we never discussed running yeah when you've discussed running it's the one thing you've got in common
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isn't that odd and did you meet um when um Bill Bowerman from Nike came to New Zealand
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did you did you meet him I never met him no no um someone wants to ask what do you worry
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about these days oh I don't worry about much really yeah that's a great great space to be in what
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advice would you give your your 30 or 40 year old self save more for your retirement you're
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gonna be here a while my my 30 or 40 years a bit late for that uh what is something that you didn't
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care much for when you were younger that you place importance on today no I just can't think of anything uh
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yeah really hmm what makes you laugh oh there's a lot of things on the uh you
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know uh also there's all sorts of things that come over on the air and that sort of
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thing that you know I quite like and I don't know if I laugh out loud you've still got a very good sense of
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humor and it's definitely still intact um yeah we were talking on the drive on
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the way and one of your favorite TV shows is the chase you watch that most nights oh yeah what's the chase a couple
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of laughs on that no doubt but then Bradley the host yeah um as a um what are your thoughts on
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disciplining and raising children how were you raised and how did you raise your kids
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we we never had to uh you know uh hit the kids or anything like that you just treat them as Ordinary People you know
00:30:33
talk to them and that sort of thing and you know it's very very nothing special yeah
00:30:39
um what's something about the world that completely blows you away oh probably the uh
00:30:50
yeah the example the uh what goes on in the in the States you know when when they're
00:31:01
taking a new prison all this sort of stuff and you know there's millions and
00:31:04
millions of dollars involved it's it just seems absolutely crazy and and the
00:31:10
fact that uh uh to to be elected as president you've got to be uh someone who uh
00:31:19
encourages more guns to be sold and that's the thing I mean it's just absolutely crazy but it'll never change
00:31:25
yeah yeah no it won't you did right it's a funny observation thanks for that uh
00:31:31
as a society where do you think we have gone wrong uh it's hard to say really yeah yeah
00:31:40
yeah um is there anything you still have on your bucket list do you know what a bucket list is
00:31:45
absolutely yeah I I don't I don't have a bucket list but I do like to have uh uh I do like to be
00:31:54
working on on some sort of you know project and that sort of thing and uh and that's uh you know quite an
00:32:01
incentive yeah what is it at the moment what's the project oh it might be writing uh a booklet on bridge or
00:32:09
something like that or or doing some work on uh genealogy uh had him like a family tree yeah yeah
00:32:18
I hope you've got relatives that are like you know picking your brains um because you've got so much knowledge
00:32:23
to share oh it's all uh it's all there electronically yeah um what is something that he wishes
00:32:32
younger people knew today yummy people yeah what is something that Arch wishes younger people today knew
00:32:40
oh I've never thought about that yeah [Music] what age would he like to get to
00:32:47
uh I've got uh I wouldn't have any thoughts on that except if I was uh as long as
00:32:57
long as I'm healthy uh physically and mentally I I don't mind yeah because you
00:33:02
you told me last year on the podcast that um you there's like a an app on your iPhone like a when will you die app
00:33:08
a death calculator you remember that yeah yeah so when did you do that 97 oh yeah that was just see you put in all
00:33:17
the uh it's all rubbish of course you you put in all the uh physical and mental characteristics and then it comes
00:33:26
out with a number and I think I uh I think they told me I had three years to go it was like four or five years ago
00:33:34
now yeah that's all it's all you know rather yeah uh What technological advancements have amazed to you the most
00:33:40
in your lifetime uh it'd really be to do with you know social media with the iPhones and
00:33:48
computers and that's all I have made a tremendous difference because it seems like um
00:33:53
I mean I can't speak on behalf of you but it feels like uh technologies that
00:33:57
have moved along you know relatively Speedy but then the last sort of 20 years it's been exponential so I'm
00:34:02
guessing when you were a little boy there was no not even radio well it was it was radio yep yeah we
00:34:08
were in a very we were very hard up family but uh we did have you know quite a good radio and uh and it was one where
00:34:17
you had wet batteries and dry batteries and that sort of thing what's a wheat
00:34:21
battery uh that's one you've got to uh you know chat and that sort of thing
00:34:26
oh well I suppose a a car battery is a wet battery right yeah and but I remember and be what it might be in the
00:34:34
uh 1930s and my father was a cricket fanatic and uh like he he Empires Cricket uh including matches against
00:34:45
various countries uh for about 20 years and uh and then right before he became an Umpire though uh we used to listen
00:34:54
into the uh the ashes and and it'd be uh it must have been in England because it was we would be we
00:35:03
were just kids but we would be up with Dad listening to the radio and and you know Brad Ben and woodfall
00:35:12
and kippax and all that crowd and uh and you'd hear the uh you're just here
00:35:18
because there's no TV you could hear the commentator then you'd hear the ball
00:35:23
striking the bat but of course it wasn't so all they were doing was uh tapping a
00:35:29
pencil off on the table and making sound effects yeah I I remember that very well we used to
00:35:36
uh uh we we used to be sitting up night after night listening and then when did when did TV come along do you remember
00:35:44
it was was TV something that only the rich had initially on a TV I remember getting TV when I was
00:35:51
lived in Mount Albert and that was about the late 1950s also you were like a grown
00:35:57
man by then oh haven't you yeah was that exciting oh yeah yeah yeah it was our I remember dad coming up and
00:36:06
staying at our place and uh he was uh it was a black and white TV and he was you
00:36:11
know watching the cricket he was quite impressed yeah how have you managed to keep up
00:36:18
with everything hey you know because it'd be very easy for you to like I don't know when cell phones came out in
00:36:23
the 80s or the 90s to just get a Nokia and be comfortable with that rather than you face the daunting Prospect of
00:36:29
getting an iPhone and getting getting familiarized with all that how have you coped with all the change because so
00:36:34
many don't I've always been a gadget man I've always loved I love gadgets I'd
00:36:40
always like to have the the latest up to date with us yeah and you you use it very well as I
00:36:46
mentioned before are you liking python Strava and things um what do you consider to be your greatest
00:36:51
achievement or proudest moments in life uh it would depend on you know which category we're talking about really but
00:37:03
I I don't sort of think about that sort of thing now there's a good chance I know you
00:37:07
don't think about it because you're very very humble it's hard to get anything
00:37:10
out of you but maybe now now's a good chance to put like let me get the ball
00:37:13
rolling professionally John Walker's gold medal oh yeah that would be uh that would be
00:37:21
a a top yeah absolutely okay and another compartment professionally in your career as a school teacher and
00:37:27
Headmaster um just making such a massive impact on thousands of kids life I mean as I
00:37:32
mentioned so many of them have reached out to me in the past week and no this is Testament to you and bear in mind
00:37:37
it's a different generation it's a generation where there was um corporal
00:37:40
punishment you could Strap kids or give them the cane or whatever no no one is not I was not I wasn't great on that oh
00:37:47
I I know I know this there's not one former student that has an unkind word to say about you which I think says a
00:37:53
lot um and what about personally the greatest achievement or proudest moment personally
00:38:00
oh it's probably you know when you get married the other day yeah yeah when was that when did you get
00:38:06
married 19 first firstly yeah 53 53 and she passed away two thousand yeah and then you married
00:38:16
um oh we touched upon this in the podcast last year but there's probably a lot of people watching or listening to
00:38:21
this that didn't listen to the podcast last year it's a hell of a story so you
00:38:25
and your first wife and your now wife and her husband you were like a like a foursome you used to yeah it used to go
00:38:33
away yeah and uh Gina Jean was my bridge partner and uh so Gene's your now wife
00:38:39
your second wife and uh playbridge and Rachel and uh David David Metzger they used to go and look at all the uh you
00:38:48
know uh shops and all that sort of stuff and while we play bridge yeah yeah and so then and there was never any
00:38:58
sort of attraction between um you and Gene while you were married and what she was married yeah you never
00:39:03
even thought about that but then and then when you did you did your first um Partners die in quite quick
00:39:09
succession yeah within the same year though but they died here yeah so it just seemed like a natural logical thing
00:39:15
like all you and me as we'll get together now oh I know we didn't think about the
00:39:19
southwest and then after a couple years we decided her just like a convenience thing or uh were you bonded on your
00:39:27
Mutual grief what was that uh somebody asked you to you know how I propose and she said well I don't think
00:39:38
he ever proposed and she said that Dean said that he's he's not the romantic type
00:39:47
and uh apparently I said oh no I'm the more pragmatic whatever that means yeah
00:39:55
so it just seemed like the sensible thing to do just move into yeah well Jane was uh Gene was living at uh at
00:40:02
Pine Sol in the village and I still had the house in La Vita in Mount Albert and
00:40:09
I sold the house and and went to live at panzero yeah how's how's Jane now how old is Shane how's her
00:40:20
health no she's quite young yeah she's only 90. you're like the younger woman eh crazy
00:40:28
uh what hobbies or activities have brought you the most Joy through your life oh this is easy Bridge right
00:40:34
Bridge all day oh yes I I mean it's an absolutely you know fantastic game really and uh no
00:40:44
matter how good you are you can always improve and and it doesn't matter how
00:40:49
old you are or how what size you are or what gender or what race you can play and I mean you only need 52 pieces of
00:41:01
cardboard and you're away but of course it's a bridge now of course it's more
00:41:06
sophisticated electronically which makes it easier and but it's you know incredible game how much do you play now
00:41:14
oh I just I don't I don't play often at night now but I play every Monday and
00:41:21
Wednesday at the club and then I play in uh at night online right on a Monday anyway
00:41:30
you just said a second ago you don't play much now that's it's like a lot of
00:41:33
problems every day of the week wow and what an um so that question was what hobbies or
00:41:39
activities that brought you the most Joy through your life what about earlier on
00:41:42
can you remember what sort of hobbies and activities as a kid what are you into uh
00:41:47
I've always done a lot of work a lot of research on genealogy and that's on to
00:41:52
five different families and I spent a lot a lot of time on that and a lot of that was done before you could do much
00:42:02
research electronically now it's probably a bit easier and I've always been keen on photography
00:42:10
and that sort of thing yeah and I have and I've always been keen on literature and poetry and
00:42:18
that sort of thing yeah nice how have your values and beliefs evolved over the years
00:42:27
I had to say yeah I've never even thought about it yeah it's the problem with um the the
00:42:35
generation now we overthink things you're sitting in front of me you just seemed like like a lot of these
00:42:44
questions which people sent in like it's like you're just sort of like batting
00:42:47
them off like it's almost like they're over overthinking things and you just
00:42:51
like get up and do it yeah um is that this might be another one of those questions is there a particular
00:42:57
piece of wisdom or philosophy that has guided your life uh oh I I think uh we talked about that
00:43:09
using it difficulty didn't we have we done that on here yeah we talked about
00:43:14
um Michael Kane yeah yes you've done that well I think that's a very uh important uh philosophy to to uh to have
00:43:23
really that there's always in my situation might appear very bad but there could be uh good could emerge from
00:43:32
it um yes for you how does the the pandemic is the biggest thing that you know most
00:43:39
people I suppose my age and younger have gone through um how did the pandemic um compared to
00:43:44
all the other things you've been through in your life Spanish Flu the depression
00:43:48
uh World War II I wasn't alive with the Spanish when was the Spanish Flu no it
00:43:54
was about 1919 I think right yeah sorry I'm sorry I'm aging you here yeah oh
00:43:58
minus three years the pandemic I mean there's nothing much you can do you can take precaution but
00:44:07
there's nothing much you can do so there's no use worrying about it and I
00:44:10
mean I got covered naturally and I was uh fairly cooked for a couple of days but then since then I've been you know
00:44:16
okay God nothing bothers you does it not really yeah no not to any great extent yeah what what what does get you wound
00:44:26
up these days what gets you in your nervous or anxious or mad uh I I don't think I get like that yeah
00:44:34
have you always been this way or does that come with um age and wisdom oh I think I think I've always been fairly uh
00:44:39
measured I'm a bit of an introvert probably and so pretty quiet yeah uh what are your hopes and dreams for
00:44:46
future Generations oh well I suppose it's the same with anybody and you just hope they'll people
00:44:56
will the society will will be a nice place to live and they'll grow up into uh
00:45:02
you know good human beings yeah yeah uh what were some of the most challenging obstacles you faced
00:45:09
throughout your life and how did you overcome them uh I remember when I was I'll just be about
00:45:22
19 uh let's say no twenty thousand four and uh I was buttering Gene's toast in the morning
00:45:33
she was still in bed of course and which is unlikely actually and all of a sudden
00:45:40
my left arm uh stopped stopped functioning so you you were a bad 80 at the time yes yeah and then right I
00:45:52
uh I I left down was just hanging by the side and then after 20 minutes it was uh
00:45:59
100 again so I finished buttering the toast and so that afternoon I went to see my
00:46:06
GP and he said oh something you know wrong I'm not sure what he said you haven't had a stroke but you know
00:46:11
something's there so I went through all the tests and that sort of thing and uh
00:46:15
and I went back to see the the uh the uh guy the medical guy and uh he said I've
00:46:23
got uh good news and bad news and I said well tell me the good news first and he
00:46:28
said oh there's nothing wrong with the brain it's just as good as it's ever
00:46:31
been I'm not sure how good it was and he said but have a look at the screen and he
00:46:37
showed me the screen there was a thing about the size of a small golf ball the back in the back of my head and
00:46:44
he said it's a probably a meningioma and he said that's the sort of uh tumor I would have if I if I had the
00:46:54
choice and he said I can take it out in July so he I said well I'd like her taking out
00:47:02
before then so I said but I can't I've got to go down to play in a bowls
00:47:08
tournament in Dunedin before that so I went and he said oh well I'll take him
00:47:13
I'll take it out after that so he did and I went into the hospital I think he
00:47:18
took it out on a Wednesday and then I and then they uh and that for that they all they do is to you know cut
00:47:28
the top off your head and and take it take out the tumor then and then staple them back on again and uh
00:47:37
so uh I I went home on a Saturday and then on the Monday I went back and played bridge but I didn't feel 100 but
00:47:48
then from that time on it's never bothered me and uh I remember my sister my now my daughter said well can you
00:47:55
bring the uh uh the tumor home as a souvenir and so I asked the doc about that he's on I can't do that he's just
00:48:03
got to go to the uh biopsies yeah the biopsy land yeah and uh but he said what I'll do is I'll take my camera in and
00:48:12
I'll take a camera of your brain and the two men you can have that and so I've
00:48:16
still got that I've got all that in Technicolor you know I've noticed you've got um
00:48:22
you've got quite a few scars on your on your forehead what's what's that from
00:48:25
what's uh I had a sort of a uh a skin cancer there and it's and never so a few months ago but it's it's
00:48:38
okay now yeah and you you mentioned on the car right here you're not exercising
00:48:42
at the moment because you had like a growth taken out on your that's right on
00:48:45
my leg Yeah Yeah Yeah but that that's been resolved yeah have you always been
00:48:52
quite good New Zealand men are typically um a bit slow at uh you know getting medical treatment or you're talking
00:48:59
about health yeah I'm probably typical yeah yeah really really yeah yeah I would have thought you would have been
00:49:07
super diligent no not really no no so well what I'm I was hoping to like sort of pick your brains to see how any
00:49:15
one of us could could get to 100 and still be as fit and healthy and vital and vibrant as what you are but it's
00:49:21
this does seem like there's a bit of luck involved oh absolutely yeah yeah absolutely yeah I mean when you consider
00:49:28
my two grandfathers died at 57 and so you know I've lasted a bit longer than that is there longevity in your
00:49:36
family at all on my mother's side yeah yeah like what anyone else made it to
00:49:40
100 no no no my my I think my eldest cousin she died at 97. um and I know my great grandfather he I
00:49:52
think was a great grandfather he uh immigrated and uh and he landed in New Zealand in uh 1860 and I think he was
00:50:02
85 or 86 when it when he came and with his family and and uh and grandchildren yeah yeah that wouldn't have been an
00:50:11
easy trap especially at that age yeah well I think he he lies until he was in uh about 94.
00:50:20
yeah that's an interesting thing isn't it the the just the transportation
00:50:23
changes that you've seen in your lifetime like we've gone from ships to Aviation absolutely yeah can you
00:50:29
remember the first time you saw a plane or went on a plane uh let's say I don't I think the first plane I was on
00:50:40
was on a flying back from flying from Auckland uh to Melbourne that's what we talked about this in the
00:50:49
podcast last year so um like a c plane I've been on a seaplane before like to go to one of the
00:50:54
islands in Fiji but this is like a big one for an international flight and you yeah that's right
00:50:59
um you were you were a good runner and you you could have stayed back in New Zealand and trained hard and maybe
00:51:03
qualified for the what was the known as the Empire games no let me finish but instead you went to Melbourne on a
00:51:09
seaplane to chase a girl yeah well actually I I wasn't in the shape to uh to be uh going for a place
00:51:20
in the in the games I I I I I I was only sort of a part-time Runner then I usually played tennis in the summer and
00:51:29
and then ran cross country in the winter so I wasn't really up after that but yes
00:51:35
I did there was a girl involved yeah and she didn't come back with you you didn't
00:51:40
get the girl no but I think that might have been a a a good result yeah absolutely what
00:51:47
were you what were you doing then were you a were you a school teacher at that stage I was always a school teacher yeah
00:51:52
yeah so I can imagine those flights would have been cheap that would have been it would cost you like weeks wages
00:51:56
I'd imagine I haven't got the faintish time yeah never thought about it yeah well can you remember much anything
00:52:03
about their flight that must have been like terrifying for the first time going in a no no no
00:52:09
you know without a hedge yeah and can you remember the first yeah the first time you got to ride in a car
00:52:18
oh yeah the first time as a car would be going to uh going from uh Mornington and
00:52:26
Dunedin to Ocean View and Brighton uh for a holiday was my great uncle yeah yeah it was was he was he rich like I'm
00:52:36
guessing the cars and this is a care of a friend of ours right we didn't we never had a car you
00:52:44
just didn't have the money I'm guessing it was just nobody had cars like there
00:52:48
were two uh people with cars on our street and they were both plumbers and like and when I went to uh College
00:52:56
in 1946 there were only two two of the lecturers had cars nobody else had a car isn't that amazing yeah what was your
00:53:08
first car can you remember yes yeah it would be uh 1928 Oakland well I'll have to look that up I don't
00:53:16
know what an Oakland does well it was a bit like uh a bit like a Model A Ford oh okay yeah wow
00:53:28
actually I only owned half of it my younger brother he had the other half we used to share it yeah and what about
00:53:37
what was the last car you owned oh it would be the emergency extreme yeah yeah and you so you decided not to
00:53:44
renew your license when you turned 100. when was the last time you you drove a vehicle uh the uh
00:53:51
almost a couple of years ago yeah yeah late 90s just the changes you've seen in
00:53:58
transport over your lifetime that's incredible it's remarkable what a treat
00:54:01
how has your perspective on life and aging evolved as you reached this remarkable age
00:54:08
oh well I've never sort of thought about aging or anything like that I've just
00:54:12
sort of carried on doing what I normally do yeah do you think the elderly get the um the
00:54:18
respect or the fear treatment they deserve in New Zealand or are they sort of like invisible to society in a lot of
00:54:22
ways no depends you know who they are associated with yeah oh that's good then so you haven't
00:54:31
noticed anyone treating you any any differently because of you I noticed that uh you know when they
00:54:38
find out how old you are they sat to you know treat you a bit differently but for the better I guess
00:54:46
oh yeah yeah um does thinking does someone ask the question does thinking about dying make
00:54:54
you sad not at all no no I mean I mean it's just part of life isn't it really that's the trade-off isn't it
00:55:02
it's something that we all have to have to go through Jesus you must have I'm just thinking like my situation like
00:55:10
off um I'm 50 now both my parents are still alive um the only sort of grief I've had to deal with is the death of a
00:55:15
couple of friends you know one through cancer one through suicide and the death of grandparents
00:55:20
um but just thinking about the grief that I've got coming up in my future and
00:55:24
how hard that's going to be is um it's it's quite daunting it's a lot to Bear
00:55:28
but I'm you you must have dealt with so much grief in your lifetime I've never thought about it I mean if it
00:55:35
happens well then you've got to deal with it then you guys got a lot of funerals these
00:55:40
days yeah but you must go to a lot of funerals these days oh well Gene and I are not great on going to funerals
00:55:47
though we we've been to you know into uh Bill Bailey's Murray hillberg and that
00:55:54
sort of thing but normally we don't go to funerals yeah oh yeah he passed away
00:55:58
last year uh were you did you have much to do with Murray Helberg uh well we're in the same Club but we're
00:56:05
never that close yeah um incredible man and incredible Runner the incredible athlete because he had
00:56:13
like um uh what was he he had like a disability it had been the power games now if he was alive wouldn't he uh
00:56:24
a rugby accident right so he had like an arm that didn't function properly yeah
00:56:29
incredible um what happens when you when we die who me yeah someone wants to ask ask
00:56:37
what you think happens when we die are you a spiritual man uh it depends what you mean by spiritual
00:56:45
oh oh well when you when your brain doesn't function and that's it well you know
00:56:53
that's that's nothing much I wouldn't do you don't think there's like a heaven or
00:56:59
an afterlife or no I don't think so no I mean people used to think you know heaven was
00:57:09
up here and all this sort of thing but I mean that sort of concept you know it's
00:57:13
got out the window really so you think the the humans are just like a computer and you know once the computer's
00:57:19
switched off that's it oh I don't think they're any I don't think they're any
00:57:24
different from any anybody else in the animal species I love you you're so pragmatic pragmatic
00:57:32
you're great um what are you going to miss the most when your life ends well you won't be in a position
00:57:46
from the from the position of someone that's um living a good and full life now so you you must Bridge you Miss Jane
00:57:55
no but you won't be in a position to to miss anything yeah that's true that's
00:58:01
true but when I was you know talked about that uh the log and all that sort of thing I mean uh
00:58:07
different people have got different ideas and that and I respect that I mean this it's a you know it's a there's all
00:58:16
different ways of thinking and everybody's got their own uh perspective yeah
00:58:22
do you have any regrets no I don't think so yeah no if you could live your life over you wouldn't do
00:58:30
anything different oh yeah you might but I mean it's uh a lot of things that happened to you it's
00:58:37
it's something that you can't do anything about yeah yeah you um oh something I forgot to mention you
00:58:46
um so you were a working teacher and principal throughout your whole career you never made a scent
00:58:51
through Athletics right oh it happens though no I was a an amateur coach and I remember
00:58:59
my first wife Jean saying that if if I had if I hadn't been coaching I would
00:59:06
have had uh we would have had enough to cash to buy another house well because of the sacrifices you had to make in
00:59:14
order to coach yeah but I never thought about it yeah that um I I'm going to ask
00:59:19
this but I know I know the the answer to the question already does it kind of annoy you now that you know if you were
00:59:24
a coach you're right here right now you'd be making a lot of money for coaching at the level no not at all yeah
00:59:30
yeah in those days I mean and of course nowadays too I mean the sport would probably perish if it wasn't
00:59:41
for all the uh amateur coaches unpaid coaches yeah and and that and that's probably the the case was just about
00:59:48
every sport um and you were telling me on the car right here you caught up with uh John Walker
00:59:54
just yesterday oh yes yeah yeah you're still quite close oh yes yeah we we meet
01:00:00
uh regularly with a few of our old buddies what's regularly like every few months twice a year yeah probably we'll
01:00:08
probably medium and about about three months or so yeah how was he so he's in his 70s now but
01:00:14
he's got um Parkinson's disease yeah yeah he's doing all right yeah what do
01:00:20
you guys talk about when you catch up oh we don't talk about the old days you
01:00:24
don't no no we just talk about what's happening now really when was the when
01:00:30
was you think the last time you and John Walker got together and reflected on like that gold medal performance in 76.
01:00:37
when do you think the last time was that you and John got together and like reminisced or reflected on that gold
01:00:42
medal performance I don't think we've ever done that that's amazing and um how would you like
01:00:50
to be remembered wouldn't worry me no it's it's nothing to do with me I I I
01:01:02
mean you know there's no answer there I mean I've gotten no preference really
01:01:09
um God it's been a great life and it's still going what's the oldest um who's the oldest
01:01:16
New Zealander ever have you got any idea what is it like 107 108 oh I know I know who's a third oldest
01:01:24
New Zealand is is that you no no no no I don't know nowhere near no Lloyd gearing
01:01:29
how old's Lloyd 105 right yeah yeah do you see I thought you're gonna be
01:01:35
around for a while yet aren't you actually oh I might be yeah who knows yeah what about music these days what do
01:01:42
you like to listen you listen to music much not not a great deal no uh not a great deal
01:01:47
[Music] um but I'm Keener on musicals and that sort of thing yeah rather than operating like
01:01:55
that yeah so what does an average day look like for you you wake up um quite leisurely like around 8 A.M about that
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and then what you get up oh yeah we we have breakfast and there's a lot again
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have coffee later on sometimes go up and meet a few of the guys at the cafe and that sort of thing Cafe on the grounds
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of the Retirement Village yeah yeah it's a great setup you got there by the way
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yeah it's not bad yeah and then so that's like sort of mid-morning lunchtime
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yeah I mean home for lunch home for a nap oh well no never never have a nap yeah no I
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haven't got time for that and then the afternoon how does that look oh well two afternoons I go and
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play bridge yeah yeah and then uh the chase at 5 p.m oh usually yeah I do a lot of work on the computer do
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you know what sort of work oh you know it's it's hard to do with Bridgewater to
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do with geniality or something like that um well that seems to be the key here isn't
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it just keeping yourself active keeping you keeping your mind and your body busy
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yeah I like to have a sort of a project going on yeah so was it um am I having Gene that told
01:03:12
me um that during the pandemic you ordered in like a a stationary bike and you assembled it yourself
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oh yes I thought it'd be all ready to go but when it when it arrived it was in 80
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different parts and it took me two days to assemble it because the directions were weren't very good and I had to sort
01:03:34
of assemble then unassemble bits and but I finally got it got it going yeah that's amazing and then um and your
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evening what does the evening look like you just you watch um the chase you watch the news you watch TV yeah
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one or two things we watch on TV but uh we're not watching it every now yeah and
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then what sort of time do you go to bed oh I'm not a huge between 10 and 11. a bit of a night
01:04:03
owl yeah yeah wow well thank you very much for these insights today um oh how was it last year when you when
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you turn 100 you get the um the telegram from the royal family it was still the queen that was alive so you don't get
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telegrams yeah what is that like a card yeah you get a card yeah yeah so um how was that I know we talked about this in
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the podcast last year you weren't much excited about it uh when it came was it
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was it quite an exciting thing or oh it was quite nice to get to get the cards and the queen yes it was yeah
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yeah oh so it's just a like a green just a card okay and what is what does it say
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oh it's just good it's I can't recall the exact words but it's just ordinary
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but it's uh you know it's got her photo and all that sort of thing which is
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rather nice to have yeah I don't want to say beeping noise is that your watch
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oh well yeah that means it's 12 o'clock oh what is it what does 12 o'clock mean
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well I don't know it just comes up and and says snooze but uh I haven't been able to undo that
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yeah so the um yeah so the telegram the the card from the queen you went much excited about that because as you rather
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nice together yeah because you as I mean you did you pointed this out to me last
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year and rightfully so like she's not sitting in a room writing them all it's
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uh but have you got it on display somewhere or oh yeah yeah yeah would you have rather have got one from the queen
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or the king uh rather than us to get one from the queen yeah all right I Archibald Arch jelly one of
01:05:44
New Zealand's finest running coaches ever and just a just a good New Zealander um thank you so much for your
01:05:49
insights today um it's been a life well spent and I I I've got a lot out of this conversation
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I hope a lot of other people do too just by tapping into the wisdom of just like
01:05:59
a just a good kind solid New Zealander thank you so much for coming over today really appreciate it see you again this
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time next year hope so [Music]