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Nigel Beach good dayy mate how it going Dom thanks for having me today mate we're doing we're doing so thanks for
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coming over you and I have been talking about this for a long time um you you legitimately have a busy schedule so
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you've had to back out a couple of times um I was Dick swinging so I pretended I
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had a busy schedule and dropped you a couple of times but we finally made it happen yeah yeah it's good to be here
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mate I've been seeing you work and yeah really appreciate the platform you're
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creating for so many cool people and now you get me which is less cool but for your listeners I'm sure but um I'm to be
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here mate absolutely none of that we we're not dealing with any of that sort
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of self depre self-deprecation stuff here um uh so I was thinking Nigel Beach this we'll do this maybe as a podcast of
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two halves so uh first half will get to know you who is Nigel Beach um then the second half we'll get info from you that
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anyone can use to improve their own quality of life yeah cool CU you're like
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a you're like a genius like a guru with the stuff um first of all uh who are you
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and what do you do like elevator pitch yeah so uh I'm a physiotherapist by trade um but I use that as currency more
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so Dom because a lot of techniques I have gathered from different areas of my life and my experiences um and
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effectively what do I do well I help people who are struggling I help people who are in pain um I help people get
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their response to their situations under their control so how do we control your
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situational response to an environment uh which essentially is how do we help people execute their skill set under
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pressure yeah um and then I also help train someone's physiological response
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to exercise which I don't think is really done well in the training space even now and then the Third Way is I
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look at how people move I assess to see is this optimal or not and try and identify causes for either pain that
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they're experiencing or how can we actually optimize their power output or their economy of movement and and
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execution of their talents right I was trying to um wind the clock back yesterday and think about how how I came
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into contact with you or how we know each other and I can't actually pinpoint
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it exactly I think um a mutual friend of ours J Reef maybe he talked about you on
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Instagram and I followed you from there but last year I was dealing with um a knee injury that was persistent and just
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wouldn't go away and you you um messaged me out of the blue and was very kind of
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you as well and you said you gave me a list of like exercises to film myself doing like walking forwards and walking
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backwards and a bunch of a bunch of cooky stuff so I sent you a a bunch of video files and then you sent them back
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like within a few hours uh commentating what I was doing with lines on the the videos and it was really nice of you it
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was like a like a free consult cool mate yeah well I really I do care for people
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really at the heart of it and I think a lot of physiotherapists get into this kind of job for that
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um because they do genuinely care and I could see your struggles with your knee and I know how much it means to you to
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run so um yeah I just felt I've got to try and help this guy sometimes I try
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and help too many people and but um yeah so that's why I did that mate and um it
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was really nice of you yeah thanks man it was really cool and and I am um I mean there's been no miracle cure um but
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I am back running again and um I'd say maybe like 75 80% yeah back to where it
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should be so I'm hoping with um continued work on trying to strengthen the muscles and the tendons around the
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knee it'll get back to 100 at some point but yeah I don't know yeah um but and
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then towards the end of last year I came and stayed with you for a couple of days
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for like a a boot camp and um we got to bond a bit further then and that was a a
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invaluable experience it was fantastic yeah that was great and that was with some great people too and oh my God yeah
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yeah so that was with um s had who's um an Olympic gold medalist in the sevens
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and she's also won the Rugby World Cup and Jack good you for all black and six
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six time Super Rugby winner with the Crusaders and so I'm from a media background and then in my sort of
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circles I'm considered a bit of an exercise Savage cuz yeah the bar is very low in media you know what I mean so
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they're like who Dom runs 30ks on a Friday what a machine and then suddenly I'm at your place hanging out with um
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these high performance people and I'm just a piece of [ __ ] I'm I was was so out of my depth
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but it was it was a fascinating iic experience for a couple of days just seeing the level these sort of people
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operate on yeah and I really when I do my performance intensives which range from 2 days to 5 days down in Mount
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mongui where I live I try and bring together people from different backgrounds because you can learn so
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much from different you know experiences that people have had so it's good to
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bring someone who's out of the sporting arena in and we all learn from each other's stories and experiences yeah I
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thought I was going to have was I thought I was going to have a miserable couple of days I thought I I knew I knew
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you were a big fan of saers and Ice baths and uh I wasn't I was dreading the
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ice bath but um it turns out that was fine um but I thought oh he's going to
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have me on like plant-based food or it's going to be no alcohol but you love you
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love steak you love the barbecue you love a good red wine and I thought this is my S of guy balance yeah AB
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absolutely um yeah cook over fire whenever I cook which is about three four nights a week um because there's a
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real something good for the soul about cooking over fire terrible for the Neighbors who get to smell all my
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charcoal burning I'm sure but um yeah and then red wine like it's sort of the
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oldest form of artisanal alcohol making so there's a real story behind that um
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so yeah I do enjoy my red wine as well so how did you how did you blow up initially when did that is there exact
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moment that you can pinpoint sort of like a tapping point for Nigel Beach sort of so what got me into all of the
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sort of different teams that I've worked with and all of that do you mean like
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yeah well I mean you've got a like in terms of like a physiother you you know
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you describe yourself as a humble physiotherapist and there's not many physiotherapists that have how how many
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Instagram followers have you got like 8,000 yeah something like that I think you I feel like your name is quite well
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known I'm just wondering if there was a moment where it felt for you like there
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was a breakthrough not really um see I had a decade in London so I was working over there for a long time I came back
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and then um yeah I looked to start something here in Oakland but I soon worked out actually um I'd rather be in
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Mount mongui so we moved down there and um set up shop down there just started a
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clinic there from nothing um and I just pitched up to one of the lowest ranks football lowest ranked football teams in
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the town said hey would you like a Physio and they're like wow what you know your resume is you know you've done
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all these things with different teams it's too good for us and I said no just
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about you know helping people out and then so that's where I started my clinic
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from that's really what generated my clinic and then um yeah I think just Word of Mouth it just progressively grew
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and then um yeah I just think I only started Instagram a couple of years ago and um you I'm 46 so I wasn't in that
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sort of mode you know we're both Boomers yeah so didn't come easy I was still
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sending faxes to people um yeah so I think it was just Progressive and then I just started working with really cool
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people who had large followings and then they gave testimony like art green for example and um Logan dods Danny Robinson
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and then their followers were attracted to some of this work that I was doing um
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because there really wasn't anyone in that space for them to learn from I guess yeah yeah oh you're doing great
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things and um yeah so many people speak so highly of you uh I by chance um listened to a podcast the other day that
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Bowden Barrett was on and he was was singing your Praises oh was he oh cool okay so there's um you you're highly
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respected with a lot of these high performance athletes they swear by you and I I wonder if um um like from the
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team perspective a lot of um Team like management or the hierarchy think you're
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about kooki yeah yeah do do they like sort of alternative little bit weird little bit out there yeah but it's kind
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of good because they've already got team physios um so I'm I'm I pose no threat
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to them because I really don't want their job don't want to be the All Blacks team physio because I don't want
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to be away from my family like I'm not actually the best at being that kind of
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physio so there's no real threat to them so for example I'm up here at the moment
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um you know with your blacks and Pete is the physio there he's been there for 18
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years we have a great relationship we totally respect each other's work so he
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is very welcoming and enabling of my work so it's really good um I think yes
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some coaches who haven't been exposed to this kind of work before um they can
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find it a little bit difficult to understand and the problem is they actually need to do it themselves to
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feel it to understand it so I think really a lot of the work needs to be done on the coaches and management sta
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first to if you really want to get a great team connection what I tend to do now I do work with some teams but more
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so it's the individuals within those teams right which are seeking out that top 2% they're really my nowadays well
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yeah that's what we were talking about before when we met um December last year
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for like a two-day retreat at your house with s Hy and Jack goodu um CER was at the end of a epic year um she was on a
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break uh Jack Goodhue in between all black seasons and Super Rugby season he was on a break as well and they just
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came to you because they wanted to be there yeah yeah and those those are the ones like you look at Cody Taylor you
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know he's I've known Cody for four years now we've probably worked together for
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probably two and a half to three years a little bit off and on in in times but he
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they had a bye for the Crusaders everyone goes away and plays golf um or they go on holiday Cody brought his
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whole family up to the Mount we had a 5-day intensive up at the mount interwined with his family you know
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coming and going so um those are the people like and you look at Cody's year
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he's been phenomenal it doesn't happen by accident because talent and skill
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will only get you so far yeah and when you go through some adversity that's when all of that starts to crumble so
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you've I really admire Cody he's he's a great friend and those guys that are
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taking on the work they're the ones that have probably been at it a little bit
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longer um and they might have gone through some adversity whether that be selection um or whether that be injury
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um yeah and they sort of know a little bit about what it's like to lose that
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Peak Performance or being at the top and then they want it back yeah so well this
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is this is one thing that um um I F found quite compelling with you uh last year like I went through numerous
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physiotherapists and and they were all well-meaning and their advice came from a professional and educated place but a
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lot of them said to me if it hurts when you run and it doesn't generally hurt
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otherwise just don't run yeah and I tried to articulate to them that you running is quite an important part of my
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life and yeah it's like a Cornerstone for my mental health and you you never
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discuss that you were never like shrugging your shoulders saying well yeah maybe just don't run yeah exactly I
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really really appreciated and respected that cool thanks mate and I think you know we we do get limits put Upon Us by
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people in Authority or power in the medical sense whether that be from surgeons telling us what we can and
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can't do for example I was told I could never run again um you know I was told
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we could never have children so all of these things that get put Upon Us by higher powers and I think really it's a
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lack of to to me mate I know they're all well-meaning but I think to me that's a
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little bit lazy it's like well why not do we tell Cody Taylor he shouldn't
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really play rugby because he might get a head knock or you know no you want to try and optimize why they are not doing
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something at their best and how can we get them back there um it's like with
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Crossfit you remember the CrossFit craze yeah of course yeah massive so many physios hated CrossFit I like don't do
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it but there is a massive like there's so many reasons we do exercise and so I actually took a room at a
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CrossFit gym and I planted one of my physios over there to help them still continue to train because I saw the
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community CrossFit was building I saw the effects on people's mental health and the connection that it gave people
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um so yeah we've got to try and look Beyond you know I don't do this if this
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happens rather than how can we actually make that work so from from what I look at I look at okay why is a site in in
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pain why is a site in pain and it's typically not because of a dysfunction at that site it's normally improper
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loading somewhere else which is directing too much load into that sight of pain so that's what I try and work
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out okay so let's go right back why why physiotherapy so you're you're a kid
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from TS y That's right just just Mom and Dad and one brother yeah one brother
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Chris and very fortunate to have he's just down the road and Pap I and my mom
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and dad are in Mount [ __ ] too so the whole family the beaches love the beach they do love the beach so why why
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physiotherapy so you're you're in your teenage years at school mate I I wanted
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to be a physio since I was 11 years old that is so Random did you did you go to a physio at 10 or 11 yeah I did I was I
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was in all the rep teams for hockey so um I did have my time on the physio table there and I was just fascinated
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with the whole the whole thing you know healing um and I was always the guy making the first aid kits you know when
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we go away on holiday always prepared you know and well family holidays yeah EXA as a kid yeah man what do you mean
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you know those Griffin stins yeah I'd always like Peck like you know probably
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nothing useful but Band-Aids or um a needle to get out of Splinter or things like that why didn't you become like a a
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nurse or a paramedic or yeah maybe I should have done that but I I think it was the physio side of it which I was
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drawn to because of my own experiences with physio so um I went you know and from yeah from the age of 11 and that's
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all I ever wanted to be M um all of my you know essays and assignments that had my own free choice through either
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intermediate or high school was done on what is physiotherapy or um Homeopathy I
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remember I did assignment on and then not only that I went and spent time with physios in practice and not just in
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private practice but in Orthopedics at hospital or with um posttop in hospital so maybe the yeah different facets of
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physio just to try and learn it right yeah okay so you study physio what's involved there how many years it's four
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years four year degree um and then I came out of that degree and then I thought well I don't know anything so
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then um much to my you know my parents eyebrows being raised because they funded me through these next courses um
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I went and did all the courses I could do on Physiotherapy and then I went and did a postgrad in Sports physiotherapy
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so that took another two years um so I got yeah and I just that thirst for knowledge has continued I
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I've spent so much money on courses and learning um and now I'm 20 24 years in
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and yeah I still keep that I still maintain a constant thirst for knowledge and learning so um came out of the
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postgrad I was I had some great mentors here I missed out on the New Zealand Sevens job as their physiotherapist IST
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so I thought right I'll go overseas the old big OE and um who was that was that
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when Gordon tens was still the coach of the sevens he was the coach what year was this what are we talking that would
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have been early 2000s yeah that might have been 01 2001 maybe um wow that would have been a hell of a team yeah
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Christian Ken Jon lomu well yeah all the superstars and um yeah it was it was really good it was a really interesting
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experience to interview I think it was who was there was Doc Mayu there Kevin McCoy was physio at the time and and uh
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Gordon titens yeah yeah Gordon Gordon titens very effective coaching style but I feel like in um under the 2023 lens um
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he'd probably be called a bully or I don't know I I don't think his coaching style
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would translate well now but so effective yeah well he he really well I think he was really one of
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the first coaches now I've never experienced his coaching or or seen into it but just from talking to some of the
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players who played under him um he was biger around Fitness wasn't he massive massive famous for um getting
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these guys that were superstars of the game like vomiting or almost crying on the first day of his you know preseason
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Boot Camp or whatever yeah just drilled them so hard but they were the they were
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the along with FG like the best team around at the time yeah they were and they also had that ability to um when
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when they were down in the last 2 minutes which is what Fitness really does doesn't it it gives you the
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opportunity to come from behind and be good in the last two minutes when the other guys are flagging yeah okay so so
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you're quite young in your career at that point so you miss out on that job then what then I throw your toys and go
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overseas no I I didn't really um they gave very good praise and um you know complimented me on the interview and it
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was a good friend of mine that actually got the role so I don't really think I
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yeah I wasn't upset about that I just thought right what next by the way I was
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kidding about that I've um I've spent quite a bit of time with you and I've
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never seen you like yeah you you don't get upset about anything yeah I've never
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seen you raise your voice even when you when when you're you're at your house
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and you know your kids are being tirant you never Raise Your Voice you're always
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a very very measured and calm guy thanks mate I think that comes from my upbringing I never saw my parents scrap
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it all um never heard my dad raise his voice wow yeah so I I really do value um my upbringing to a lot of My Success if
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you call it that or um perseverance and discipline dedication to my work um and also love for people really based on my
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parents um so then I thought right I'll go I'll go overseas I'll go do my OE I
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had a large friend group up here and they're all going overseas traveling so
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um my best friend he was Keen to go as well so we went together and did the typical southeast Asia over to Turkey
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for Anzac day and then um yeah up into London and then onwards from there and it was sort of in the boom time time
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there the economy was good I had really good qualifications if you had a postgrad qualification in London you did
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really well you could step into any job you wanted so then I would sort of work for four to six months and then travel
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for four to six months too so it was a great way to see the world how good and how did you how did you meet your wife
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yeah so we met in London yeah uh Jess is a radiographer she's an absolute cracker
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and um yeah we met there she was coming back to I think she was going to Australia
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she was born in Australia um and then she decided to stay convinced her to stay for a couple of months um we got to
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know each other more and then I thought yeah I'm ready to come home now too so
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yeah so we met over there yeah I I I I bring her up because I think she's worthy of a mentioned because um you you
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have all sorts of people traing through your house every day of the week and she's so hospitable and so nice and your
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kids are so great with everybody as well so you mentioned before um something about um fertility issues yeah what was
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that was that on your side or her side that was on her side in the sense of um she really struggled with endometriosis
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okay for a long time since about 16 years old um and she had five surgeries to try and remove this endometriosis
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which is basically these endothelial endometrial cells should grow inside the uterus and those cells are responsible
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for releasing blood in the menstrual cycle in endometriosis those cells grow outside of the uterus so it can be very
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painful very disabling it can cause adhesions all sorts of issues it's a terrible problem that we really need to
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try and Tackle better than what we are now um and yeah I remember she had her fifth surgery and they opened her up and
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just closed her up and just I remember when the surgeon came into the room and just said I'm really sorry honey but you
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cannot have children and for a guy that's gotten everything he's ever wanted in life through perseverance
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discipline and you know all of that um I was like wow that was the first thing that was token taken totally out of my
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control mate um and then of course you ask well what can we do and anyone who's
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got endometriosis would be able to you know um be sympathetic to hearing that you can't do anything or maybe go on a
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vegan diet or maybe you know these kind of there's nothing really that you can
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do about it we weren't even really told what it was so if you don't know what it
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is how can you overcome it you don't really know the the physiology of it um
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yeah so that yeah but hey there's a there's a great story at the end of it
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we've got our beautiful family now and um yeah two kids yeah so I think I think
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language is really important and I think optimism um is perhaps lacking in some medical spaces I think you got to give
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people confidence yeah and I mean completely different but like we were talking before with my knee I think some
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of the physios I went to see sort of underestimated my um will and desire to be running again yeah um yeah but the
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the fertility thing that's something that I'm um it's quite close to my heart
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uh myself and my former wife JJ like we we I had a tumor in my abdomen area that
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was taken out and it left me with a a condition called retrograde ejaculate which means everything works the same
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but when you have an orgasm um nothing comes out but the so the surgeon that um that uh took the tumor out and like
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quite a lengthy and I suppose in a way potentially a life-saving operation he he knew nothing about fertility and he
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saw me when I was recovering in hospital like a couple of days after the operation and he said to me oh hey you
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may have this condition now it's fairly common retrograde ejaculate but don't
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worry um the fertility situation is real easy now they just um harvest the sperm
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and blah you know and he made it sound really simple and I thought at the time okay sweet is and all I knew about um
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IVF and fertility at that point was what you read in women's day like you know
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she had a baby at the age of 70 or you know Nicole Kidman's having quadruplets
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or whatever and you do think it's really easy and turns out this surgeon he was a
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fantastic surgeon but he knew nothing about fertility treatment so anyway long story short we went through years and
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years of fertility and didn't have kids at the end but speaking to you now like
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I wonder if there was um I yeah I don't know I wonder if there was anything else
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that could have been done to like Rectify or change my situation Maybe not maybe not it's really it's really tough
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isn't it you know winding back and see and I think that what we can do from there is maybe look forward and say what
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are some of the things that do affect the ability to conceive and that's a lot
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of my work is looking at the autonomic nervous system which is that stress State and the calm State and really to
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have your body in an optimal state for all sorts of Health not only just fertility is to have a a balanced system
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not be in that stress State too much because our body isn't really made to conceive if we're in this burnt out
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stressed out situation because it's not going to be doing harm uh not be going
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to be doing benefit for a baby to be brought up in that environment because what if there's a famine going on or war
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or something like that so um I think yeah the more we can educate ourselves on the role of the autonomic nervous
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system in Health Plus also stopping this cleaving at the joints every sort of injury or uh disease State and looking
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at us from a holistic one being you know which means instead of saying you know okay here's depression okay you need to
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see this guy for that okay here oh here's your back pain you need to see this guy for that and then the
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depression guy won't talk about the back pain because that's not his domain and
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then oh the doctor's going to prescribe something but he's not responsible for
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that I think we really need to stop siloing off all these different things like fertility the psychology around um
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depression or anxiety that may come from chronic pain um and we need to start bringing things more together M and
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educating people like instead of saying that's not my role educating people on
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some of that whole person approach to back pain fertility what whatever it be I think that's really the key mate how's
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how's your mental health been has it always been good yeah it has mate I'm
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have you had to work work on it or you just you've been one of the lucky ones
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or really fortunate mate and that um I found a lot of these modalities before I got married before I had kids before I
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had a mortgage before I had a business all of the things which may Peak people off to have a less than optimal mental
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health I was already doing things to steal my or make more resilient my mental health or mental Fitness uh so if
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you think of mental Fitness like physical fitness so I was just very fortunate in my Pursuit of helping my
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population of clients that these techniques also help to improve your mental Fitness so mate I've been really
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good I'm I'm really fortunate to say that what what has been um like the
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lowest point in your life you reckon I think um back pain I struggled with back pain yeah for a very long time and I
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think that out of that adversity has given me these tools to look at things differently because I had back pain for
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12 years really debilitating back pain and I remember when my my parents came over to see me in London
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and uh we went to have dinner and they were up at the table and I was kneeling down on the floor and Mom just started
00:26:33
crying and it you know still creases me up a little bit now because I couldn't
00:26:37
sit because of my back um and I just thought that was normal I'm like yeah but I've got three prolapse discs in my
00:26:44
back I there is a ceiling on what I can do that I just normalized that because that's what I was told by the 14
00:26:50
different physios that I saw oh you in for my my girlfriend she said to me Dom you can't keep replacing phys until you
00:26:58
find the answer you want but it turns out you can you can mate and I really encourage you to four people out there
00:27:03
keep searching cuz so many people come to me or when you go to a barbecue which you know you always get tapped for info
00:27:09
when you're at a barbecue um and then they I tried physio you know so depending on how much um respect I have
00:27:19
for that person will depend on my answer it might be like okay cool man or it might be like hey do you know that not
00:27:24
all physio the same and not all physios are s of the same on the one day as the next day so physios really get a window
00:27:33
of maybe 20 to 30 minutes to see someone yeah they can't unravel all the stuff so
00:27:39
maybe you need to give that physio another chance a different lens to look through maybe more time or maybe you
00:27:44
need to seek out another physio who will be totally different to the other one yeah and you got to keep searching
00:27:49
that's certainly what I did and then found the answer eventually so how did you fix your
00:27:54
back so um I had spinal surgery when I was 30 over in London which was a really I was a Physio and I saw what happened
00:28:04
when people had spinal surgery so I was really freaked out about that um but that was yeah that was the lowest point
00:28:10
in my life the Searing back pain I couldn't defecate in the morning you know it was those things which was such
00:28:16
a problem I couldn't touch my kneecaps from a standing position wow wild mate
00:28:22
so much disability you wouldn't believe it now right but um so I saw Europe's uh
00:28:27
top neurosurgeon um Peter Hamlin and he did a really good job on my back but a year later I was still in pain and I
00:28:37
went back to him and um he was sort of frustrated and annoyed because surgeons don't really like to admit that they
00:28:45
might not have got that problem sorted so he sort of dismissed me which is fine that's okay but it made me now my good
00:28:52
friend Jimmy hunt will call this radical ownership but it made me have a moment of radical ownership realizing no one's
00:28:58
going to fix this it's up to me now and that's when I looked outside the box of
00:29:03
physiotherapy to basically come up with a program that alleviated my back pain radical ownership I like that I've
00:29:12
never heard that phrase Jimmy HP by the way for anyone that doesn't know he's
00:29:14
like a mental health Advocate um he's written a book about didn't he like raft
00:29:18
down the W River he did he led down Li yeah and walked the uh walked the length of the country as well he did yeah he's
00:29:25
the world's largest water slide um yeah he's he's an amazing guy so worth
00:29:30
Googling withth Googling and doing some uh research on him yeah and he's he's
00:29:34
got numerous books out but he also just genuinely cares for people yeah and you can hit him up and he will try and help
00:29:40
you yeah but that radical ownership that's that comes from a position of yes
00:29:44
things aren't fair in life things aren't just whatever it took to get you into
00:29:49
this state it might be totally unfair but it's how you come out of it and that's 100% your
00:29:55
responsibility do you do you think with mental health there's some people that
00:29:58
um that would say clinical depression need to be medicated or do you think that for most people like 95 99% of
00:30:05
people there's an alternative way yeah I think um depression is a there's it's a
00:30:11
really complex thing depression is um but I do think there's mental health and
00:30:18
mental illness yeah well this mate this is one thing that really irks me like someone will say um oh yeah no he's not
00:30:25
he's not well he's got mental health but it's like everyone has physical health and
00:30:29
everyone has mental health yeah like mental health is not a condition it's something that we all have yeah exactly
00:30:34
and this is where I think mental health awareness is not really doing quite right and if anything it might be making
00:30:40
things worse because people are learning that there's mental health out there and
00:30:45
then they use that as an excuse or a crutch because they don't really understand the physiology of say anxiety
00:30:52
and when you understand that anxiety is actually a physiological state that occurs goes through various things maybe
00:30:59
a disordered breathing pattern maybe a poor tolerance to carbon dioxide maybe inflammation and then there are actually
00:31:06
some things you can do to alter that positively so how about we have the discussion around mental health
00:31:12
awareness of actually talking about what is anxiety yeah what is depression how about we talk about the fact that 30% of
00:31:20
depression 30 to 40% of depression is caused by inflammation so why don't we
00:31:25
learn about how inflammation is potentially causing depression and how people with inflammation as their cause
00:31:32
of depression the medications won't actually work well for them not only that Dom but there's also the notion
00:31:38
that if you are inflamed your risk of depression becomes greater yeah so why aren't we testing people for their
00:31:47
inflammatory marker which is a very difficult thing to get out of a doctor I pay for my own cost
00:31:53
$20.10 down down at toonga and why aren't we testing these things routinely and then we can say well your
00:32:01
inflammation marker is up a little bit there's a you know there's a potential
00:32:05
risk factor here for depression yeah do we understand what that is and until we go through some things which might be
00:32:11
able to mitigate that from happening so the other conversations I'd rather see
00:32:15
in Mental Health Awareness Week um or just in mental health programming really the understanding of what mental Fitness
00:32:23
is because what I'm seeing is people coming to me asking for it note to get them out of PE because of their anxiety
00:32:30
you know but it's sort of been you know it's in our culture now we get the
00:32:34
Kardashians on the television there and you get Courtney come out and say to Chloe oh my God those shoes are giving
00:32:40
me anxiety so we're using the words wrong th those shoes are not giving her anxiety she is upset at the color choice
00:32:48
of Chloe's shoes or whatever it be but that is not anxiety yeah that's it's a
00:32:52
flippant remark isn't it totally and we're using that now and people are
00:32:56
hanging on to my anxiety you know what is that is it a a living thing within you no it's just your response or
00:33:03
reaction to a situation which is over and above what it needs to be yeah um speaking of anxiety though um I
00:33:12
did have real anxiety when I was at your place and I was about to go on the ice bath um so at the back of Nigel's house
00:33:18
you've got a a SAA um which is a great social Space by the way and you share a
00:33:22
lot on your social media um does has anyone anyone um complained or said oh no can you not please no photos you like
00:33:30
right everyone everyone seems really good like you have you have so many high performance and high function Joel
00:33:35
shadbolt good friend of yours from the band La one of the best vocalists in the country um he's on your Instagram all
00:33:40
the time in the sa All Blacks rugby league players yeah you name that they're there no everyone's okay with
00:33:46
being yeah they are yeah yeah they um I mean I was happy when I was there because I was um flanked between an all
00:33:52
black and one of the greatest female rugby players yeah that's right and and
00:33:56
the conversations are so good and honestly what's happened on that sauna bench has really launched some careers
00:34:03
so Josiah naty who um there was we had a great performance group there we we did
00:34:09
I think it was four days we had Marcus Armstrong who's the Indie Car Racer now
00:34:13
um Josiah natski who's a he races for Kawasaki uh over in North America um professional Motocross rider we had Nick
00:34:23
Mo from zuru oh yeah he's a great guy Jay reev was there and on Ln Brown so man what a pool of experience and advice
00:34:31
and it was in the SAA that Josiah you know Anton lard Brown and Sarah had they asked him what where's he going with his
00:34:39
career and Josiah said oh I really want to race at America and Anton he was pretty tough he said well you're not in
00:34:47
America you need to be in America if you want to race in America so he really challenged his process of Josiah was
00:34:53
just sort of cruising through with this notion and this head that that was his goal but he didn't have any steps to
00:34:59
enable him to reach that goal right so in that SAA mate that was the moment that triggered his he brought flights to
00:35:07
the states that week I I I love that so much about that space that you've created in your saw it's like it is like
00:35:13
an exchanging of ideas yeah um I had very little to bring when when I was in this cor um but I was just like taking
00:35:21
it all in and absorbing it it was great so when did you get into the the whole hot cold thing because this is become I
00:35:28
suppose um like a Cornerstone of what you're about but it's nothing necessarily to do with physiotherapy is
00:35:32
it no not really and but it kind of is it's what it should be because I was seeing this population of clients who
00:35:39
are struggling with chronic pain I typically see people that have had pain for a long time I don't see the rugby
00:35:43
guys that have had a bump or a bruise on the weekend or the sprained ankles going
00:35:47
up the mound I don't see that stuff you better off seen someone down the road
00:35:50
who can who can handle that I tend to see people who are struggling that are failed common treatment approaches and I
00:35:57
knew that there was a role in their pain and their condition of the autonomic nervous system which is made up of the
00:36:04
parasympathetic and the sympathetic so rest and digest flight fight and freeze calm stress I knew there was a role but
00:36:14
we didn't know that we could influence it we thought it was unconsciously beyond our control and that's what
00:36:20
science said in the books and then in 2013 whim Hoff did a study at the Rabon University in the Netherlands where he
00:36:27
was injected with ecoli an endotoxin uh which should have triggered off this huge immune response he
00:36:34
defeated the eoli within 15 minutes so that then to those researchers they were like wow whim you've just attenuated the
00:36:43
innate immune response the that cannot be controlled you've controlled it you're amazing and whm bean whim said
00:36:50
I'm not amazing you know he could have been a David Blaine and done all these
00:36:54
tricks around the world slowing his heart rate yeah yeah so for anyone I don't want to patronize anyone that's
00:36:59
listening but just in case there's anyone that doesn't know uh about the
00:37:02
Wim Hoff story or who he is um how would you how would you describe him in a couple of sentences I know he's got a
00:37:08
[ __ ] ton of World Records yep 26 Guinness World Records he is a remarkable man who has a technique
00:37:16
called the Wim Hoff method which utilizes breathing techniques and gradual nonforced exposure to cold an
00:37:24
awful awful backstory right with us with wife yeah and when you think about why why did whim get into this well his wife
00:37:32
committed suicide and he was left with five four children between the age of 5 and 11 to bring up so his real Mission
00:37:40
he wanted to end depression so she had depression and uh she committed suicide and you know he had his own grief to go
00:37:47
through as well so that was his very noble cause for seeking out how to help the world and he's just a
00:37:54
massive like his spirit is phenomenal if you could watch a documentary on him I think and if it was just one I would say
00:38:02
the goop lab no I would agree with seen that yeah it's it's a good bite-size
00:38:07
entry into the world of Wim Hof yeah and it comes from a bit more of a feminine angle rather than some of the you know
00:38:13
people that he was on Joe Rogan's podcast so then you got a lot of Macho male men attracted to his techniques and
00:38:20
methods and they were sort of telling the story from the ah but I think gwyneth's show brings it down to more of
00:38:25
that more feminine um style which I really like so so you're you're not just
00:38:30
a student of H you and him are sort of like mates right yeah stays at your house and yeah so we're very good
00:38:36
friends good confidants um yeah Mass how did how did that happen um so that study
00:38:43
was in 2013 um so so then I read that study I was blown away and I was like this is
00:38:51
going to help my population of clients I have to seek this guy out and learn more
00:38:56
from him and he happened to be coming down to Australia to do a weekl long livein retreat so I went over there um
00:39:03
to try and learn more about his methods it was an amazing group of people there were 30 of us there this would never
00:39:08
happen now there' be probably 500 people there and you'd probably get an
00:39:11
instructor of whims but there were 30 people there and we still really tight to this day that group of people and
00:39:18
there was no one there really going to learn about his method to deploy it in a clinical setting it was more people they
00:39:25
had lme disease uh major depressive disorder um all manners of you know there was pain it was like wow this is
00:39:34
amazing but all of these people were sort of seeking out that top 2% you know these were real successful people in
00:39:40
business but they might have been suffering with burnout or successful people in um whatever they're trying to
00:39:46
do in life um yeah so amazing group people so I went and had a week with him um just connected um and yeah we became
00:39:56
really really good friends I help him I helped him articulate some of the science that I was seen from what I
00:40:02
thought was occurring during the Wim Hoff method um then he came and stayed yeah with the family and uh my little
00:40:09
boy is is sharing his middle name uh my my little boy's middle name is whim so
00:40:15
wow yeah so there's a connection there named after whim that wasn't my choice
00:40:18
that was my wife's and you um you you do you do a great impression of him you um
00:40:24
I don't I don't know if you want to share this on maybe this is a thing but
00:40:27
uh uh when I stayed with you we walked up Mount [ __ ] and you were bare feet and you you did an impression of wh
00:40:33
walking up uh Mount [ __ ] chatting to strangers on the way oh yeah yeah cuz it was amazing we're cuz when we're staying
00:40:39
and we're going up the mount and you know it was always a bit of a bug beer of mine when you'd go up the mount that
00:40:45
people wouldn't say hello and um you know I like saying hello to people you're you're both out there doing the
00:40:51
same thing at the same time and it's kind of a cool connection I agree I'm
00:40:54
like that with running I wave at everybody and wh just wouldn't say hello mate he say hey man hey how you going
00:41:00
good are you man keep it going we go on you go and these people were just getting bursts of enthusiasm from weird
00:41:10
Barefoot Jesus looking guy they didn't know who he was yeah so yeah it was great stuff um
00:41:18
oh yeah yeah you told me another story about um most people had no idea who he was or they didn't acknowledge Him and
00:41:23
then there was some guy at the top that uh said oh my God whim off you changed my life thing that's so cool and I've
00:41:29
been with whim so many times now Jess and I went and saw him um had a week with him in Australia a couple of months
00:41:35
ago and he's so so full of life mate but he practices what he preaches he gets up
00:41:39
in the morning and he does does the stuff um but when you're out with him in
00:41:44
public now like especially in Australia people come up to him and say you saved my life and they like one guy jumped
00:41:52
through a restaurant window women and I were having dinner he jumped in through the restaurant window
00:41:56
and hugged him and said how he saved his life so and that just happens so often mate amazing and he travels only with um
00:42:04
like carry on right like a he tuned up at my house I had to give him a pair of shoes um yeah and he had a just a
00:42:11
backpack which was half full he had nothing in there so um mate he's he's
00:42:16
the Gypsy traveler yeah um I listen to an audio book of his a few years ago and there was a there's a mentor in the a
00:42:23
cold Sher day keeps the doctor away um but you go level you've got like a a customade ice bath which by by the way
00:42:32
um am I the most hilarious person you be honest with me the most hilarious awkward uncomfortable person you've seen
00:42:38
in the eyes you were definitely up there yes it was I'm not good at putting on a
00:42:44
a poker face but so this this this this time I spent at your house so um Jack godu from the crusaders had get in and
00:42:50
he was like chatting to me and chatting to you chatting to people it was like it
00:42:54
was a warm bath I got in there and and I was like a face of concentration you can
00:42:58
see veins poking out of my neck I wasn't haming it up or anything I was doing the
00:43:01
best I could to be calm yeah but then when I see that in someone that's when I
00:43:06
know hey he's in the right place because this is what he needs and day two you
00:43:10
were much much better you know so and I I I didn't not enjoy it either I found
00:43:15
it invigorating it was a wonderful experience it was it was [ __ ] amazing well that's the unconscious that's the
00:43:21
that's our threshold for that stress system to come on is governed by our environment
00:43:26
so past experiences current environment and everyone's got a different threshold
00:43:31
to that stress St so by going into the ice that triggered off your stress system that was like flight and fight
00:43:37
and freeze you know survival so you know people like Jack and you know I jumped out of my first cold shower after 10
00:43:45
seconds I thought F this no way man but um yeah is that a good way for people to
00:43:49
start so I must admit so you're in my house at the moment it's an apartment I
00:43:54
could probably get a sauna put in the closet somewhere but I don't really have
00:43:57
room for an ice bath so I've been doing I'll have a shower in the morning and
00:44:00
then for the last minute I'll put it on cold and stand there in the first couple
00:44:04
of times you do it you're hyperventilating um and then it just gets it gets easier and easier and now I
00:44:10
wouldn't wouldn't say I look forward to it but um it's a nice feeling when you
00:44:13
get out yeah if if you think about what's the loow hanging fruit what is the
00:44:19
non-negotiable cold shower at the end of your daily warm shower non-negotiable because for 30 seconds there is no one
00:44:27
who can come up with an excuse which could derail you from that constant practice so that's what I do personally
00:44:34
every day non-negotiable a cold show at the end of my warm and if people just start with that because then they're
00:44:40
achieving something and that is going to have a therapeutic benefit and then there are you're going to see a
00:44:46
proliferation of spaces around Oakland uh coming up over the next few years with proper SAA proper cold plunge and
00:44:54
then there will be a community to this like I'm sure that people in Finland would be uh like thinking wow there's a
00:45:02
guy talking about saer and cold plunging on a podcast you know it's just their
00:45:06
culture it's their life it's what they do and uh cuz it feels like it was um I
00:45:11
don't know I remember vaguely like like growing up being real little like in the
00:45:15
1970s or 1980s and saers became like a thing um and it feels like it's sort of
00:45:20
fashionable again but do you think it's do you think it's like a a phase at the
00:45:24
moment or it's going to be here to stay yeah I think it's fashionable now
00:45:27
because of the understanding around how it works okay and the big thing with SAA
00:45:30
there was a 20-year observational study which is huge 20 observing people over 20 years and to see what the effects are
00:45:38
of saering in Finland done by a cardiologist called Dr Yari linan um in Finland observing
00:45:45
2340 men over a space of 20 years to see how it influences their health and that
00:45:50
study was amazing because it came out that if you sorted four plus times a week your risk risk of death from any
00:45:57
cause went down 40% your risk of cardiovascular related death went down 50% and I think it's those kinds of
00:46:04
numbers that have gotten people to say hey I want some of that now so instead of us not really knowing what sauna was
00:46:11
thinking it was some kind of Scandinavian or Russian kind of practice that they would do but not knowing the
00:46:16
reason behind it and I've spoken to many Scandinavians uh an Estonian sauna master who we a great chat in a sauna he
00:46:23
knew nothing about the health benefits of sauna he just knew it made him feel great but he knew a lot about the
00:46:28
cultural aspect of sauna which we had a great chat about um but I think that's
00:46:33
why youve seen this uptick people like d Dr Ronda Patrick that are coming out explaining the benefits of sauna people
00:46:40
like Andrew hubman coming out explaining the benefits of SAA um yeah Lex fredman
00:46:45
Joe Rogan all that circuit they're all massive on it um doesn't matter if it's
00:46:49
INF fored yeah so you will get some benefit from infrared but you get a lot more benefit from traditional authentic
00:46:57
finish SAA and in fact in in Europe in countries it is illegal to to use infrared SAA as two words oh okay you
00:47:06
have to say infrared cabin okay because it just doesn't have the same benefits
00:47:11
you know it's better than nothing maybe but um I really think if people can I I
00:47:16
really push for people to get an authentic finish saer or authentic Scandinavian sauner uh in their home and
00:47:22
that is what defines that well that means a saer that can go um between 0 and 100° which is bloody
00:47:29
hot and also you need to have the ability to put water onto rocks which will create what in the in the Finnish
00:47:36
term is Lulu which I'm probably pronouncing terrible there but um uh yeah Lulu which is essentially means the
00:47:42
spirit of life or the essence of life um that really does bring about a new sensation into the sauna remember when I
00:47:49
put the water on the rocks and it's like w this wave of heat and you try and bury
00:47:53
down as low as you can go to try and get away from that um oh me me specifically
00:47:57
yeah yeah only you Dom ever so yeah I know since I saw you I've been doing the cold shower thing which I know
00:48:06
is not as good as a nice bath but it's still invigorating and makes you feel
00:48:10
good and I've been going to um there's some baths not far from where I live
00:48:13
called The [ __ ] baths and I've been going there but this morning's like 70
00:48:16
70° yeah so I did 30 or 40 minutes in there and I know I remember you saying something about how it's um it should be
00:48:23
stressing your body but I actually enjoy starts to get maybe a little unpleasant
00:48:27
towards the end but it's mostly enjoyable does that mean I'm not getting
00:48:29
the benefit potentially if you're at 70 you need to have a high amount of water
00:48:34
on the Rocks so I was in London end of last year um and I went to two amazing saers over there um though were more
00:48:42
Russian style so they run their saers at about 70° but they use a lot of humidity
00:48:47
a lot of water on the rocks and boy that was tough so I think 70° in a dry sauna
00:48:54
probably won't be enough um so when I say won't be enough you probably have to
00:48:58
spend a lot longer in there to reach that state of discomfort but really with saer it should be uncomfortable in the
00:49:05
last minute or two um and with ice it's always uncomfortable in the first minute
00:49:10
and then you start to get a little bit used to it yeah that's cool that's really cool okay well yeah I
00:49:17
was eyeing up this one called an Oslo which is like a one person um sweet infrared cabin I guess
00:49:24
yes um maybe I'll I'll put that on hold for now save your money if you and I I
00:49:28
really yeah I get a lot of this on my Instagram people always ask me what's the difference and there are benefits
00:49:34
from infrared SAA but it's a different style of heating it's it's heating you
00:49:38
from within so it's infrared waves which enter in your body so it's not really
00:49:42
heating up the room um whereas authentic SAA heats up the room to 80 to 100° and
00:49:49
the modality is a lot different and then you think about well why do we SAA and you know why are we seeing all these
00:49:56
amazing results in the studies looking at longevity but also depression uh heat as a um modality to help treat a major
00:50:06
depressive disorder there's some great research on that um so really we're
00:50:11
activating what's called our heat shock proteins these are proteins that um directly come out as a response to heat
00:50:18
and they seek out the damaged proteins in our body which when proteins damaged we're all made up of proteins when they
00:50:25
damage they fold over and then they aggregate they stick together and that can cause all sorts of problems
00:50:31
medically so these heat chock proteins come out and literally unfold those damaged proteins so that's how we get
00:50:38
repair and Rejuvenation but there's numerous other benefits to that authentic St sauna it um stiffens the
00:50:45
arteries which is actually a good thing um it uh helps our blood pressure it mimics moderate cardiovascular exercise
00:50:53
it's really like a workout so there's there's a lot of benefits to traditional
00:50:57
SAA you've used so many big words in this podcast um I I I generally assume any room I go to I assume I'm probably
00:51:04
the dumbest person in the room so I'm sure there's a lot of people that understand everything you're talking
00:51:07
about but maybe there's some people like me that don't but it's um the the bits
00:51:11
in between that I do understand it's bloody great stuff cool God you're doing
00:51:14
great work um so the week we're recording this the the All Blacks are in Oakland and they're about to go to
00:51:20
Melbourne for a game against Australia who so who reaches out to you so you're
00:51:24
not here in an official role with the All Blacks yeah no I'm not like an individual sort of personal trainer sort
00:51:29
of VI yeah but but with their blessing I guess so I was with the All Blacks in 2019 I was asked to come in and uh give
00:51:38
um my thoughts on performance I was with the uh Wes at that stage and um yeah so
00:51:45
implemented a program in that World Cup campaign that um they use for the year so in that time I got to meet a number
00:51:51
of the All Blacks and um I continued to work with they they saw some of my work and the when you're in an all black
00:51:59
environment there's just no time so but they knew that there was some more to my
00:52:03
work and so I started working with members of the team on a one-on-one capacity over time and
00:52:11
then yeah the uh the All Blacks had a camp down in Mount mongui one of the players reached
00:52:17
out to me um for some help around a situation and then seeing I I knew the All Blacks set up he went back spoke to
00:52:26
them and they said yeah let's bring [ __ ] into these camps to help um how did you
00:52:30
how did you um team up with Joel shadbolt from laab how did that relationship come about yeah so he came
00:52:35
to me um and he was just you know he was having some issues um before a performance so i n stage yeah which is
00:52:47
totally logical when you go out in front of you know 30,000 people and you have to execute a skill set and give to that
00:52:56
crowd and lift them up and to all of those things um yeah it's logical that your body will start to corrupt your
00:53:02
skill SC and start to put you into this state of uh maybe Panic or agitation or and then yeah so I started working with
00:53:10
Joel back then um and yeah we just continue on because there's been it's
00:53:16
been a really good relationship and um there's still some techniques and modalities that Joel uses you know
00:53:23
before a performance or um on tour especially cuz that's really rigorous but he's noticed massive changes and um
00:53:31
yeah he's great so he he comes for the catch-ups we were working together for
00:53:35
three years saering doing all the stuff before we actually had a drink so that was he loved it because it was like
00:53:43
every time people want to catch up with him it's always around alcohol and it
00:53:47
was only about six weeks ago he's like mate do you want a whiskey on the deck
00:53:50
and we did and he's like this is the first time we've actually had alcohol so
00:53:54
I think saer is great because you don't need to have something in your hand I
00:53:59
was going to say just when you were Midway through that sentence um that environment of being in your sauna with
00:54:05
a bunch of other people it is kind of like sitting around in the evening having a drink with people on a deck the
00:54:10
sort of conversations that go on I don't know it just feels like a safe space or
00:54:13
something totally it is really good for that totally good for that so that's why
00:54:17
I recommend when people get saers get bigger than what you think you'll need
00:54:20
because then you can invite people around and it's quite a social thing um does does I mean clear clearly the
00:54:26
answer is no but I I wonder if like your wife's bothered bothered about this like
00:54:29
your house is like a halfway house yeah gr granted it's it's a very very um upm
00:54:35
Market halfway house it's like a who's who of New Zealand sports and entertainment but there's people traing
00:54:40
through all the time she's getting tows out for people like me that forget to
00:54:43
bring their own yeah she all good with it yeah she is she's she's very welcoming and she's um she's amazing
00:54:49
mate she totally is so um very welcoming of the people um and she knows the mission yeah
00:54:57
so um yeah she's she loves it yeah she's very shy like she'll she will like be
00:55:06
like I won't go in when you're in there or you know but then I'm like no come on
00:55:09
then but it's great she doesn't know half them because she's not really in
00:55:13
that space it's quite funny she asked one of the All Blacks uh what do you do
00:55:18
and play R oh who do you play for you know it's quite endearing exactly quite
00:55:23
good um and so you got two kids man's your daughter how how old she she's
00:55:28
eight eight and Henley Henley that's right um yeah so so when when we were there last year um your daughter Mani
00:55:36
she she kept on writing me up like citation tickets for swearing yeah mate um yeah Jack good she's clearly got a
00:55:42
type and it's going to be it's going to be big rugby players because um yeah
00:55:47
Jack good Hugh he he didn't get any citations yeah well he got a free pass on a lot of things I don't know if he
00:55:52
transgressed as much as you do um yeah so that great yeah well yeah she used to you know if you said the word
00:56:01
bloody she' get herck WR your a little note that's awesome um should we end
00:56:07
with a couple of sort of um I was going to say quick five but they don't actually have to be quick five but um
00:56:11
just some questions that I think um can provide some information that can you help anyone that's listening to this
00:56:17
yeah that would be good um first of all one thing one thing I've I've noticed
00:56:20
and some people I suppose depending on the quality of the headphones they're
00:56:23
listening with would have noticed um you're a nasal breather like quite often
00:56:27
you'll stop at the end of a sentence and inhale through the nose and speak again
00:56:32
um this is an intentional thing this is the correct way of breathing yes exactly
00:56:36
the we should be breathing through our nose for pretty much 100% of the time for most people because nasal breathing
00:56:44
is so important for Optimal Health the nose serves 26 different functions it warms the air humidifies the air you've
00:56:52
got turbinid in the nasal cavity which spiral the air into the lungs at the right speed you've got mucus which traps
00:56:58
pathogens and um all sorts of stuff um Motorway dust out here in Oakland Dom but um yeah and you've got the cyia
00:57:07
which is here which traps pathogens and filters as well uh you got nitric oxide which is a vasod dilator which opens up
00:57:14
the Airways so it's all about getting more oxygen into our body how do we feel
00:57:19
good well if our body is properly oxygenated when you're breathing through your nose all of that St starts to
00:57:25
happen when you breathe through your mouth you're blowing off carbon dioxide
00:57:30
far too much you're not utilizing the nitric oxide which is not only a vasod
00:57:35
dilator mean more oxygen into the the blood but it's also a sterilizing agent
00:57:40
so another protective mechanism um if you breathe through your mouth you can actually alter your jaw shape so it's
00:57:47
really important for kids to be nasal breathers what takes us away from nasal breathing is things like growing up in
00:57:53
an anxious environment experiencing some form of trauma perhaps um and that doesn't have to be like an emotional
00:57:59
abuse or anything like that it could merely be growing up in a moldy damp home and that will dictate kids to fall
00:58:07
into a mouth breathing trap postco I'm seeing a lot of people with um you know
00:58:12
long covid problems and they flick into a mouth breathing pattern um what else it changes teeth um growth so you can
00:58:21
get a clusion of the teeth you get a um m um Mal form jaw formation so it becomes
00:58:27
a lot shorter and sunken rather than elongated um what else happens so it really yeah makes sense to try and be a
00:58:35
nasal breather at all times and I this is a real loow hanging fruit not only for just dayto day but for exercise as
00:58:42
well and did I am I imagining this or did I um hear you say somewhere that people should sleep with um tape over
00:58:49
their mouth yeah some people should um and there's a thing in one of the meteor
00:58:54
Outlets you know just trying to debunk that until you read down the bottom um they had like a uh you know a little
00:59:01
conflict of interest report there saying actually this guy owns a sleep sleep clinic and of course he's advocating for
00:59:06
everyone to go to a Sleep Clinic but on the whole let's Empower people let's not
00:59:13
say oh you've actually got to you know give them something and try it is it going to work yes or no you're not going
00:59:17
to die from taping your mouth and how do how do how do we take that because the last thing I want is anyone to you go is
00:59:24
it like a little strip covering the lips or all all it is and of course you use some logic if you're full with a cold if
00:59:32
you can't breathe very well through your nose to start with yeah you wouldn't
00:59:36
maybe tape it but if you do die hey come back and see us and then give you a refund ha Nigel ha Nigel
00:59:45
but yeah mouth taping is simply a strip of you can use multiple tapes I've actually got some specific mouth tape
00:59:51
with me now for one of the guys but um you can get something called myotape or you can just get some 3M micropore and
00:59:58
it's literally a vertical strip so your lips aren't even completely uded and I
01:00:03
think if people just try even if they don't tape through the night they might
01:00:07
just tape their mouth for the hour before bed and see does this bring about some change because if you tape your
01:00:13
mouth at night and if it's going to work for you you'll wake up feeling massively
01:00:17
more refreshed that's how you know if it's working is there um breathing routines
01:00:23
or techniques that anyone can do while while you know driving or walking or whatever that can improve their mood I
01:00:28
know I know wh whm Hoff like before the the the ice ice water stuff um it's generally rooted in sort of a breathing
01:00:35
technique isn't it yeah but with whims breathing definitely keep that away from
01:00:39
water because um wh's breathing technique is very strong and powerful it's a controlled hyperventilation
01:00:46
technique I actually don't teach that in my clinic so um there's other forms of
01:00:52
breathing you can do which can bring about a a better change within you I think for
01:00:58
the general population and that is to shut their mouth and breathe through their nose that's a key okay and then on
01:01:04
my Instagram um I've actually done a video of my 5 minute anti- agitation breathing and I get so many comments
01:01:13
about that um and that's just the tile where it's my head holding up four
01:01:17
fingers and if you look at that one and go through that for 5 minutes I think that would be my advice on a powerful
01:01:24
technique that you can do to bring about change when you're in an anxious moment
01:01:29
it brings about a real sense of calm how far down on your Instagram is that oh yeah it's a little bit you you need to
01:01:35
learn how to pin post maybe I should pin that that at the top I pin it for two months or something and then people you
01:01:42
know the listeners can check it out sounds good um I've heard you say in a podcast that the gut is the second brain
01:01:47
can you explain what that means yeah I I think I don't want to get too In The
01:01:51
Weeds on that because yeah but cuz there there are some other things that we can
01:01:56
do which can influence the gut for example the vagus nerves go vagus nerve goes all the way from the neck down into
01:02:02
the gut the Vegas nerve is directly related to your autonomic nervous system so if you can bring about some
01:02:10
equilibrium into that stress and calm State your gut is going to get better what I see in people is people that come
01:02:16
in with say anxiety or chronic pain you will often find they'll have either um
01:02:22
diarrhea or constipation so that's a neurally driven autonomically driven problem so sometimes people can be
01:02:31
labeled with say IBS irritable bowel syndrome or different things but really I think we we've got to come out from
01:02:36
the heart of it which is a um disequilibrium in the autonomic nervous system so I think that's really where it
01:02:43
comes in yeah oh that's cool on how did how what's your relationship with Mike
01:02:49
hosking and Kate hawksby he he talks about you quite a lot yeah have you have you had sessions with him haven't made
01:02:55
no so you you guys not bros I thought you were like Bros no and have you met we haven't met no he had me on his show
01:03:02
and I I did an interview with him I've heard him do an interview with you and
01:03:05
he he and he talks about you a lot in other interviews as well and I've I've
01:03:09
heard him talk about how you love a like a French readed wine and I thought oh these guys must have been on the Dick
01:03:14
together yeah no we haven't mate I'd love I'd love to meet him um he really
01:03:19
sings your Praises yeah it's really it's really good I and I really do appreciate
01:03:23
it cuz he's got such a platform and and Kate does as well and yeah I really appreciate those two it's amazing
01:03:31
that you can be on like a top rating essentially a news program and he's talking about things to optimize the
01:03:37
health so I really do like that well one thing about that so um I believe they've
01:03:41
got a sauner at home uh I've heard him say he has three cold showers a day yep
01:03:46
is that too is that one too many I think one might be one's probably linked into the SAA so when you when you
01:03:53
do SA he should always finish on cold whether that be a cold shower or cold plunge um and that's probably going to
01:04:00
make up at least one of his and if he showers twice a day he'll always finish
01:04:04
on cold which is really what you should do I mean what whatever he's doing it's
01:04:08
it's working for him I know I know he's got a massive massive following like his
01:04:11
ratings are something like he's got like a 20% market share which in radio is
01:04:14
massive um there's also a lot of people that you know don't like him for his
01:04:17
beliefs or whatever but you listen to the guy he's upbeat he's never sick he's
01:04:22
relentlessly positive and enthusiastic and you think whatever he's doing he's
01:04:26
doing it right he's very cognitively sharp isn't he when he's you know
01:04:30
imagine interviewing all those people with a very short moment's notice and having to be over such a range of topics
01:04:36
so I think when you look at him from that perspective um yeah someone sent like I
01:04:41
did a a post there and I said be like Mike you know because in terms how did they go down in the comments not too
01:04:48
well yeah so and I saying like be like Mike in terms of his you know what his health practices are
01:04:56
not his opinions oh and the the work ethic of both those guys is second to none I mean um you cannot take anything
01:05:02
away from the success that they have because they they get up at [ __ ] o00 every like in the we're talking middle
01:05:09
of the night like 233 a.m. so they have no sort of life during the week outside of work and um he's done that for
01:05:16
they've both done it for a number of years they're phenomenal broadcasters so
01:05:19
to to stay at the top of your game um with those sort of growling hours for that long um there's got to be some
01:05:25
secret to the success and uh maybe it's the hot and cold thing yeah and I do
01:05:29
like looking at Elite performers and looking at what they're doing and it sometimes it's Sports people sometimes
01:05:35
it's the UFC which is a real great playground for people to be in that sympathetical stress state so I love
01:05:43
like watching and observing those guys I would never do a UFC fight you don't
01:05:46
have to agree with what they're doing but in terms of a study around um how they're executing their skill set and
01:05:51
talents it's the the fighting realm is yeah fascinating and also you look at
01:05:58
sport the clutch kicks you know or the clutch throws and high preure situations have you done much with any of the UFC
01:06:05
guys um who do you know yeah well I have met israela Dan hooker um uh Shane Young
01:06:13
because they came to a workshop that wonderful guy Jason suty and I did together at Jason's gym but um no but I
01:06:22
don't work with them one-on-one they they are now um doing some great work with a wonderful guy called Dave Wood
01:06:28
and Woody is an amazing guy really trying to bring up this um notion that we can have better influence and control
01:06:36
over our um our situations oh yeah I've seen what Dave would his his Retreats
01:06:40
look way less fun than yours I don't imagine he's having red meat and red
01:06:44
wine in the evening would he he might be having a DB export or something like that but um no
01:06:50
he's a he's a top guy yeah hey but um the only when I was coming here I was
01:06:55
thinking Runners podcast Runners podcast what could I say to help runners or maybe help them understand what the
01:07:00
process is because so many Runners they feel great doing it right and that's
01:07:04
what is driving a lot of their uh Pursuit into running is the feeling they get from it right Dom you feel that AB
01:07:12
absolutely even on days you I I don't feel great every day but even on days where I don't feel great and I'm not
01:07:17
enjoying it I I always feel good afterwards feel amazing I never get home from a run and regret going on a run so
01:07:24
what about if I try and educate people there will be a couple of big words on why that's happening so I think that's
01:07:30
the key if people understand the why maybe they can um then program accordingly so when we run so we've got
01:07:39
amino acids in our body amino acids they aid in the repair of muscle tissue but we've also got a substance called
01:07:46
tryptophan tryptophan is a precursor for something called serotonin serotonin is
01:07:51
what makes us feel great yeah tryptophan and amino acids travel on the same Pathway to the brain amino acids Will
01:08:00
trump tryptophan all the time so that means that amino acids are going up to the brain and trypt tryptophan cannot
01:08:07
get on that track to get to the brain to release serotonin to make you feel good
01:08:11
unless you exercise when you run your muscles are now needing amino acids so they come down which frees up the track
01:08:20
for the tryptophan to go to the brain and release ser at Onin so that's why a
01:08:25
lot of people genuinely feel happy and high and they feel great when they go for a run so I think if people
01:08:32
understand the physiology around how exercise can influence our mental health then that might be a reason for people
01:08:37
to hey let's give this a go yeah I love that hey thanks for coming over today
01:08:43
thanks and for being so uh generous with your time my God the big words that you
01:08:48
use um and they just like roll off your tongue um it's phenomenal you're so well
01:08:53
educated um how are your books full or can you like consult new people if someone if someone has heard this
01:09:00
podcast and they want to get a hold of you what's the best way to go about that
01:09:03
yeah so I work with people in different ways um my clinic is generally booked up
01:09:07
about a month or so in advance but but that's okay you just wait for that time
01:09:12
and um so you can book online just Nigel beach.com very old website doesn't really say what I do nowadays but that's
01:09:19
all right too busy helping people to fix that just yet but they can book on online for a consult either in person or
01:09:25
over Zoom but what I also do I do 12E programs with people via my app so I don't actually need to see someone in
01:09:33
clinic and um that's another option and then the I guess another way of working
01:09:38
with me is I work in the corporate space a lot so you know some people if they've
01:09:42
heard this they might have a chat to their HR manager and say hey let's get this guy in to talk about some real
01:09:48
tangible ways we can influence our mental Fitness or health and that's another way and then finally I do run
01:09:54
those performance intensives down in Mount mongui it's generally word of mouth but I am going to start to open
01:09:59
those up to to people now yeah I mean it was it was great as I've said it was an
01:10:03
invaluable experience and I I would I would love to go back for another one because it was fantastic it was really
01:10:08
cool I got so much out of it there things I do now and I I think of you like if I'm if I'm waiting in line at a
01:10:13
coffee store I'll look down at my feet and make sure my feet are both quite close to each other like a fist apart
01:10:20
facing forward that's it and that's the correct way to standard activate your
01:10:23
butt muscles just little little things like that and I'll I'll catch myself
01:10:28
doing it I'll go oh that's something I got from Nigel yeah cool that's great
01:10:31
would great we would love to see you again the kids would totally love to see you again I don't know if I can afford
01:10:36
all the fines from your daughter and Nel Beach you're a good man thank you very
01:10:41
much for coming on the podcast I appreciate you thanks for having me thanks for listening
01:10:44
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