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Nigel Beach good dayy mate how it going
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Dom thanks for having me today mate
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we're doing we're doing so thanks for
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coming over you and I have been talking
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about this for a long time um you you
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legitimately have a busy schedule so
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you've had to back out a couple of times
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um I was Dick swinging so I pretended I
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had a busy schedule and dropped you a
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couple of times but we finally made it
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happen yeah yeah it's good to be here
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mate I've been seeing you work and yeah
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really appreciate the platform you're
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creating for so many cool people and now
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you get me which is less cool but for
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your listeners I'm sure but um I'm to be
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here mate absolutely none of that we
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we're not dealing with any of that sort
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of self depre self-deprecation stuff
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here um uh so I was thinking Nigel Beach
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this we'll do this maybe as a podcast of
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two halves so uh first half will get to
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know you who is Nigel Beach um then the
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second half we'll get info from you that
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anyone can use to improve their own
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quality of life yeah cool CU you're like
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a you're like a genius like a guru with
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the stuff um first of all uh who are you
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and what do you do like elevator pitch
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yeah so uh I'm a physiotherapist by
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trade um but I use that as currency more
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so Dom because a lot of techniques I
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have gathered from different areas of my
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life and my experiences um and
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effectively what do I do well I help
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people who are struggling I help people
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who are in pain um I help people get
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their response to their situations under
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their control so how do we control your
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situational response to an environment
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uh which essentially is how do we help
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people execute their skill set under
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pressure yeah um and then I also help
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train someone's physiological response
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to exercise which I don't think is
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really done well in the training space
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even now and then the Third Way is I
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look at how people move I assess to see
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is this optimal or not and try and
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identify causes for either pain that
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they're experiencing or how can we
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actually optimize their power output or
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their economy of movement and and
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execution of their talents right I was
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trying to um wind the clock back
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yesterday and think about how how I came
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into contact with you or how we know
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each other and I can't actually pinpoint
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it exactly I think um a mutual friend of
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ours J Reef maybe he talked about you on
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Instagram and I followed you from there
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but last year I was dealing with um a
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knee injury that was persistent and just
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wouldn't go away and you you um messaged
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me out of the blue and was very kind of
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you as well and you said you gave me a
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list of like exercises to film myself
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doing like walking forwards and walking
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backwards and a bunch of a bunch of
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cooky stuff so I sent you a a bunch of
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video files and then you sent them back
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like within a few hours uh commentating
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what I was doing with lines on the the
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videos and it was really nice of you it
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was like a like a free consult cool mate
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yeah well I really I do care for people
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really at the heart of it and I think a
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lot of physiotherapists get into this
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kind of job for that
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um because they do genuinely care and I
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could see your struggles with your knee
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and I know how much it means to you to
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run so um yeah I just felt I've got to
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try and help this guy sometimes I try
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and help too many people and but um yeah
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so that's why I did that mate and um it
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was really nice of you yeah thanks man
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it was really cool and and I am um I
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mean there's been no miracle cure um but
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I am back running again and um I'd say
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maybe like 75 80% yeah back to where it
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should be so I'm hoping with um
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continued work on trying to strengthen
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the muscles and the tendons around the
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knee it'll get back to 100 at some point
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but yeah I don't know yeah um but and
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then towards the end of last year I came
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and stayed with you for a couple of days
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for like a a boot camp and um we got to
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bond a bit further then and that was a a
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invaluable experience it was fantastic
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yeah that was great and that was with
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some great people too and oh my God yeah
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yeah so that was with um s had who's um
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an Olympic gold medalist in the sevens
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and she's also won the Rugby World Cup
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and Jack good you for all black and six
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six time Super Rugby winner with the
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Crusaders and so I'm from a media
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background and then in my sort of
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circles I'm considered a bit of an
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exercise Savage cuz yeah the bar is very
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low in media you know what I mean so
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they're like who Dom runs 30ks on a
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Friday what a machine and then suddenly
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I'm at your place hanging out with um
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these high performance people and I'm
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just a piece of
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[ __ ] I'm I was was so out of my depth
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but it was it was a fascinating iic
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experience for a couple of days just
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seeing the level these sort of people
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operate on yeah and I really when I do
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my performance intensives which range
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from 2 days to 5 days down in Mount
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mongui where I live I try and bring
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together people from different
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backgrounds because you can learn so
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much from different you know experiences
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that people have had so it's good to
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bring someone who's out of the sporting
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arena in and we all learn from each
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other's stories and experiences yeah I
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thought I was going to have was I
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thought I was going to have a miserable
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couple of days I thought I I knew I knew
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you were a big fan of saers and Ice
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baths and uh I wasn't I was dreading the
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ice bath but um it turns out that was
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fine um but I thought oh he's going to
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have me on like plant-based food or it's
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going to be no alcohol but you love you
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love steak you love the barbecue you
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love a good red wine and I thought this
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is my S of guy balance yeah AB
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absolutely um yeah cook over fire
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whenever I cook which is about three
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four nights a week um because there's a
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real something good for the soul about
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cooking over fire terrible for the
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Neighbors who get to smell all my
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charcoal burning I'm sure but um yeah
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and then red wine like it's sort of the
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oldest form of artisanal alcohol making
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so there's a real story behind that um
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so yeah I do enjoy my red wine as well
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so how did you how did you blow up
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initially when did that is there exact
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moment that you can pinpoint sort of
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like a tapping point for Nigel Beach
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sort of so what got me into all of the
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sort of different teams that I've worked
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with and all of that do you mean like
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yeah well I mean you've got a like in
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terms of like a physiother you you know
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you describe yourself as a humble
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physiotherapist and there's not many
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physiotherapists that have how how many
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Instagram followers have you got like
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8,000 yeah something like that I think
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you I feel like your name is quite well
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known I'm just wondering if there was a
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moment where it felt for you like there
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was a breakthrough not really um see I
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had a decade in London so I was working
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over there for a long time I came back
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and then um yeah I looked to start
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something here in Oakland but I soon
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worked out actually um I'd rather be in
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Mount mongui so we moved down there and
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um set up shop down there just started a
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clinic there from nothing um and I just
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pitched up to one of the lowest ranks
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football lowest ranked football teams in
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the town said hey would you like a
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Physio and they're like wow what you
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know your resume is you know you've done
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all these things with different teams
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it's too good for us and I said no just
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about you know helping people out and
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then so that's where I started my clinic
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from that's really what generated my
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clinic and then um yeah I think just
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Word of Mouth it just progressively grew
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and then um yeah I just think I only
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started Instagram a couple of years ago
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and um you I'm 46 so I wasn't in that
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sort of mode you know we're both Boomers
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yeah so didn't come easy I was still
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sending faxes to people um yeah so I
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think it was just Progressive and then I
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just started working with really cool
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people who had large followings and then
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they gave testimony like art green for
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example and um Logan dods Danny Robinson
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and then their followers were attracted
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to some of this work that I was doing um
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because there really wasn't anyone in
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that space for them to learn from I
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guess yeah yeah oh you're doing great
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things and um yeah so many people speak
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so highly of you uh I by chance um
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listened to a podcast the other day that
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Bowden Barrett was on and he was was
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singing your Praises oh was he oh cool
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okay so there's um you you're highly
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respected with a lot of these high
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performance athletes they swear by you
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and I I wonder if um um like from the
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team perspective a lot of um Team like
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management or the hierarchy think you're
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about kooki yeah yeah do do they like
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sort of alternative little bit weird
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little bit out there yeah but it's kind
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of good because they've already got team
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physios um so I'm I'm I pose no threat
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to them because I really don't want
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their job don't want to be the All
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Blacks team physio because I don't want
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to be away from my family like I'm not
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actually the best at being that kind of
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physio so there's no real threat to them
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so for example I'm up here at the moment
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um you know with your blacks and Pete is
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the physio there he's been there for 18
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years we have a great relationship we
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totally respect each other's work so he
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is very welcoming and enabling of my
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work so it's really good um I think yes
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some coaches who haven't been exposed to
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this kind of work before um they can
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find it a little bit difficult to
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understand and the problem is they
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actually need to do it themselves to
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feel it to understand it so I think
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really a lot of the work needs to be
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done on the coaches and management sta
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first to if you really want to get a
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great team connection what I tend to do
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now I do work with some teams but more
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so it's the individuals within those
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teams right which are seeking out that
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top 2% they're really my nowadays well
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yeah that's what we were talking about
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before when we met um December last year
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for like a two-day retreat at your house
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with s Hy and Jack goodu um CER was at
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the end of a epic year um she was on a
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break uh Jack Goodhue in between all
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black seasons and Super Rugby season he
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was on a break as well and they just
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came to you because they wanted to be
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there yeah yeah and those those are the
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ones like you look at Cody Taylor you
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know he's I've known Cody for four years
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now we've probably worked together for
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probably two and a half to three years a
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little bit off and on in in times but he
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they had a bye for the Crusaders
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everyone goes away and plays golf um or
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they go on holiday Cody brought his
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whole family up to the Mount we had a
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5-day intensive up at the mount
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interwined with his family you know
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coming and going so um those are the
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people like and you look at Cody's year
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he's been phenomenal it doesn't happen
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by accident because talent and skill
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will only get you so far yeah and when
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you go through some adversity that's
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when all of that starts to crumble so
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you've I really admire Cody he's he's a
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great friend and those guys that are
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taking on the work they're the ones that
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have probably been at it a little bit
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longer um and they might have gone
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through some adversity whether that be
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selection um or whether that be injury
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um yeah and they sort of know a little
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bit about what it's like to lose that
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Peak Performance or being at the top and
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then they want it back yeah so well this
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is this is one thing that um um I F
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found quite compelling with you uh last
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year like I went through numerous
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physiotherapists and and they were all
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well-meaning and their advice came from
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a professional and educated place but a
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lot of them said to me if it hurts when
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you run and it doesn't generally hurt
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otherwise just don't run yeah and I
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tried to articulate to them that you
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running is quite an important part of my
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life and yeah it's like a Cornerstone
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for my mental health and you you never
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discuss that you were never like
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shrugging your shoulders saying well
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yeah maybe just don't run yeah exactly I
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really really appreciated and respected
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that cool thanks mate and I think you
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know we we do get limits put Upon Us by
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people in Authority or power in the
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medical sense whether that be from
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surgeons telling us what we can and
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can't do for example I was told I could
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never run again um you know I was told
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we could never have children so all of
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these things that get put Upon Us by
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higher powers and I think really it's a
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lack of to to me mate I know they're all
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well-meaning but I think to me that's a
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little bit lazy it's like well why not
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do we tell Cody Taylor he shouldn't
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really play rugby because he might get a
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head knock or you know no you want to
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try and optimize why they are not doing
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something at their best and how can we
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get them back there um it's like with
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Crossfit you remember the CrossFit craze
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yeah of course yeah massive so many
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physios hated CrossFit I like don't do
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it but there is a massive like there's
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so many reasons we do exercise
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and so I actually took a room at a
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CrossFit gym and I planted one of my
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physios over there to help them still
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continue to train because I saw the
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community CrossFit was building I saw
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the effects on people's mental health
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and the connection that it gave people
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um so yeah we've got to try and look
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Beyond you know I don't do this if this
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happens rather than how can we actually
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make that work so from from what I look
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at I look at okay why is a site in in
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pain why is a site in pain and it's
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typically not because of a dysfunction
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at that site it's normally improper
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loading somewhere else which is
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directing too much load into that sight
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of pain so that's what I try and work
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out okay so let's go right back why why
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physiotherapy so you're you're a kid
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from TS y That's right just just Mom and
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Dad and one brother yeah one brother
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Chris and very fortunate to have he's
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just down the road and Pap I and my mom
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and dad are in Mount [ __ ] too so the
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whole family the beaches love the beach
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they do love the beach so why why
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physiotherapy so you're you're in your
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teenage years at school mate I I wanted
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to be a physio since I was 11 years old
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that is so Random did you did you go to
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a physio at 10 or 11 yeah I did I was I
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was in all the rep teams for hockey so
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um I did have my time on the physio
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table there and I was just fascinated
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with the whole the whole thing you know
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healing um and I was always the guy
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making the first aid kits you know when
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we go away on holiday always prepared
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you know and well family holidays yeah
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EXA as a kid yeah man what do you mean
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you know those Griffin stins yeah I'd
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always like Peck like you know probably
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nothing useful but Band-Aids or um a
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needle to get out of Splinter or things
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like that why didn't you become like a a
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nurse or a paramedic or yeah maybe I
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should have done that but I I think it
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was the physio side of it which I was
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drawn to because of my own experiences
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with physio so um I went you know and
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from yeah from the age of 11 and that's
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all I ever wanted to be M um all of my
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you know essays and assignments that had
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my own free choice through either
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intermediate or high school was done on
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what is physiotherapy or um Homeopathy I
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remember I did assignment on and then
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not only that I went and spent time with
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physios in practice and not just in
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private practice but in Orthopedics at
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hospital or with um posttop in hospital
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so maybe the yeah different facets of
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physio just to try and learn it right
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yeah okay so you study physio what's
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involved there how many years it's four
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years four year degree um and then I
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came out of that degree and then I
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thought well I don't know anything so
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then um much to my you know my parents
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eyebrows being raised because they
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funded me through these next courses um
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I went and did all the courses I could
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do on Physiotherapy and then I went and
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did a postgrad in Sports physiotherapy
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so that took another two
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years um so I got yeah and I just that
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thirst for knowledge has continued I
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I've spent so much money on courses and
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learning um and now I'm 20 24 years in
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and yeah I still keep that I still
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maintain a constant thirst for knowledge
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and learning so um came out of the
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postgrad I was I had some great mentors
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here I missed out on the New Zealand
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Sevens job as their physiotherapist IST
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so I thought right I'll go overseas the
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old big OE and um who was that was that
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when Gordon tens was still the coach of
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the sevens he was the coach what year
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was this what are we talking that would
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have been early 2000s yeah that might
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have been 01 2001 maybe um wow that
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would have been a hell of a team yeah
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Christian Ken Jon lomu well yeah all the
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superstars and um yeah it was it was
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really good it was a really interesting
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experience to interview I think it was
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who was there was Doc Mayu there Kevin
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McCoy was physio at the time and and uh
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Gordon titens yeah yeah Gordon Gordon
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titens very effective coaching style but
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I feel like in um under the 2023 lens um
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he'd probably be called a bully or I
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don't
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know I I don't think his coaching style
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would translate well now but so
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effective yeah well he he
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really well I think he was really one of
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the first coaches now I've never
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experienced his coaching or or seen into
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it but just from talking to some of the
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players who played under him um
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he was biger around Fitness wasn't he
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massive massive famous for um getting
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these guys that were superstars of the
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game like vomiting or almost crying on
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the first day of his you know preseason
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Boot Camp or whatever yeah just drilled
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them so hard but they were the they were
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the along with FG like the best team
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around at the time yeah they were and
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they also had that ability to um when
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when they were down in the last 2
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minutes which is what Fitness really
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does doesn't it it gives you the
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opportunity to come from behind and be
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good in the last two minutes when the
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other guys are flagging yeah okay so so
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you're quite young in your career at
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that point so you miss out on that job
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then what then I throw your toys and go
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overseas no I I didn't really um they
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gave very good praise and um you know
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complimented me on the interview and it
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was a good friend of mine that actually
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got the role so I don't really think I
00:17:50
yeah I wasn't upset about that I just
00:17:52
thought right what next by the way I was
00:17:54
kidding about that I've um I've spent
00:17:56
quite a bit of time with you and I've
00:17:57
never seen you like yeah you you don't
00:18:00
get upset about anything yeah I've never
00:18:02
seen you raise your voice even when you
00:18:03
when when you're you're at your house
00:18:05
and you know your kids are being tirant
00:18:06
you never Raise Your Voice you're always
00:18:08
a very very measured and calm guy thanks
00:18:11
mate I think that comes from my
00:18:12
upbringing I never saw my parents scrap
00:18:14
it all um never heard my dad raise his
00:18:17
voice wow yeah so I I really do value um
00:18:22
my upbringing to a lot of My Success if
00:18:25
you call it that or um perseverance and
00:18:28
discipline dedication to my work um and
00:18:30
also love for people really based on my
00:18:33
parents um so then I thought right I'll
00:18:36
go I'll go overseas I'll go do my OE I
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had a large friend group up here and
00:18:41
they're all going overseas traveling so
00:18:44
um my best friend he was Keen to go as
00:18:47
well so we went together and did the
00:18:49
typical southeast Asia over to Turkey
00:18:51
for Anzac day and then um yeah up into
00:18:55
London and then onwards from there and
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it was sort of in the boom time time
00:18:58
there the economy was good I had really
00:19:00
good qualifications if you had a
00:19:02
postgrad qualification in London you did
00:19:04
really well you could step into any job
00:19:06
you wanted so then I would sort of work
00:19:08
for four to six months and then travel
00:19:10
for four to six months too so it was a
00:19:12
great way to see the world how good and
00:19:14
how did you how did you meet your wife
00:19:16
yeah so we met in London yeah uh Jess is
00:19:18
a
00:19:19
radiographer she's an absolute cracker
00:19:21
and um yeah we met there she was coming
00:19:25
back to I think she was going to
00:19:27
Australia
00:19:28
she was born in Australia um and then
00:19:31
she decided to stay convinced her to
00:19:33
stay for a couple of months um we got to
00:19:35
know each other more and then I thought
00:19:37
yeah I'm ready to come home now too so
00:19:40
yeah so we met over there yeah I I I I
00:19:42
bring her up because I think she's
00:19:44
worthy of a mentioned because um you you
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have all sorts of people traing through
00:19:49
your house every day of the week and
00:19:51
she's so hospitable and so nice and your
00:19:53
kids are so great with everybody as well
00:19:55
so you mentioned before um something
00:19:57
about um fertility issues yeah what was
00:20:00
that was that on your side or her side
00:20:01
that was on her side in the sense of um
00:20:04
she really struggled with endometriosis
00:20:06
okay for a long time since about 16
00:20:08
years old um and she had five surgeries
00:20:12
to try and remove this endometriosis
00:20:15
which is basically these endothelial
00:20:18
endometrial cells should grow inside the
00:20:20
uterus and those cells are responsible
00:20:22
for releasing blood in the menstrual
00:20:23
cycle in endometriosis those cells grow
00:20:27
outside of the uterus so it can be very
00:20:31
painful very disabling it can cause
00:20:33
adhesions all sorts of issues it's a
00:20:35
terrible problem that we really need to
00:20:37
try and Tackle better than what we are
00:20:38
now um and yeah I remember she had her
00:20:42
fifth surgery and they opened her up and
00:20:44
just closed her up and just I remember
00:20:46
when the surgeon came into the room and
00:20:49
just said I'm really sorry honey but you
00:20:50
cannot have children and for a guy
00:20:53
that's gotten everything he's ever
00:20:55
wanted in life through perseverance
00:20:56
discipline and you know all of that um I
00:20:59
was like wow that was the first thing
00:21:01
that was token taken totally out of my
00:21:03
control mate um and then of course you
00:21:06
ask well what can we do and anyone who's
00:21:08
got endometriosis would be able to you
00:21:12
know um be sympathetic to hearing that
00:21:16
you can't do anything or maybe go on a
00:21:18
vegan diet or maybe you know these kind
00:21:20
of there's nothing really that you can
00:21:23
do about it we weren't even really told
00:21:25
what it was so if you don't know what it
00:21:27
is how can you overcome it you don't
00:21:29
really know the the physiology of it um
00:21:34
yeah so that yeah but hey there's a
00:21:36
there's a great story at the end of it
00:21:38
we've got our beautiful family now and
00:21:40
um yeah two kids yeah so I think I think
00:21:44
language is really important and I think
00:21:46
optimism um is perhaps lacking in some
00:21:50
medical spaces I think you got to give
00:21:53
people confidence yeah and I mean
00:21:56
completely different but like we were
00:21:57
talking before with my knee I think some
00:21:59
of the physios I went to see sort of
00:22:00
underestimated my um will and desire to
00:22:03
be running again yeah um yeah but the
00:22:06
the fertility thing that's something
00:22:07
that I'm um it's quite close to my heart
00:22:10
uh myself and my former wife JJ like we
00:22:12
we I had a tumor in my abdomen area that
00:22:15
was taken out and it left me with a a
00:22:17
condition called retrograde ejaculate
00:22:19
which means everything works the same
00:22:20
but when you have an orgasm um nothing
00:22:22
comes out but the so the surgeon that um
00:22:25
that uh took the tumor out and like
00:22:28
quite a lengthy and I suppose in a way
00:22:31
potentially a life-saving operation he
00:22:33
he knew nothing about fertility and he
00:22:35
saw me when I was recovering in hospital
00:22:37
like a couple of days after the
00:22:38
operation and he said to me oh hey you
00:22:40
may have this condition now it's fairly
00:22:42
common retrograde ejaculate but don't
00:22:44
worry um the fertility situation is real
00:22:47
easy now they just um harvest the sperm
00:22:50
and blah you know and he made it sound
00:22:52
really simple and I thought at the time
00:22:54
okay sweet is and all I knew about um
00:22:56
IVF and fertility at that point was what
00:22:58
you read in women's day like you know
00:23:00
she had a baby at the age of 70 or you
00:23:02
know Nicole Kidman's having quadruplets
00:23:05
or whatever and you do think it's really
00:23:06
easy and turns out this surgeon he was a
00:23:08
fantastic surgeon but he knew nothing
00:23:10
about fertility treatment so anyway long
00:23:12
story short we went through years and
00:23:14
years of fertility and didn't have kids
00:23:16
at the end but speaking to you now like
00:23:17
I wonder if there was um I yeah I don't
00:23:20
know I wonder if there was anything else
00:23:21
that could have been done to like
00:23:23
Rectify or change my situation Maybe not
00:23:25
maybe not it's really it's really tough
00:23:27
isn't it you know winding back and see
00:23:29
and I think that what we can do from
00:23:31
there is maybe look forward and say what
00:23:34
are some of the things that do affect
00:23:36
the ability to conceive and that's a lot
00:23:38
of my work is looking at the autonomic
00:23:39
nervous system which is that stress
00:23:42
State and the calm State and really to
00:23:44
have your body in an optimal state for
00:23:46
all sorts of Health not only just
00:23:48
fertility is to have a a balanced system
00:23:51
not be in that stress State too much
00:23:53
because our body isn't really made to
00:23:55
conceive if we're in this burnt out
00:23:58
stressed out situation because it's not
00:24:01
going to be doing harm uh not be going
00:24:03
to be doing benefit for a baby to be
00:24:05
brought up in that environment because
00:24:07
what if there's a famine going on or war
00:24:09
or something like that so um I think
00:24:13
yeah the more we can educate ourselves
00:24:15
on the role of the autonomic nervous
00:24:16
system in Health Plus also stopping this
00:24:20
cleaving at the joints every sort of
00:24:24
injury or uh disease State and looking
00:24:27
at us from a holistic one being you know
00:24:30
which means instead of saying you know
00:24:33
okay here's depression okay you need to
00:24:35
see this guy for that okay here oh
00:24:37
here's your back pain you need to see
00:24:38
this guy for that and then the
00:24:40
depression guy won't talk about the back
00:24:42
pain because that's not his domain and
00:24:43
then oh the doctor's going to prescribe
00:24:45
something but he's not responsible for
00:24:46
that I think we really need to stop
00:24:49
siloing off all these different things
00:24:51
like fertility the psychology around um
00:24:54
depression or anxiety that may come from
00:24:56
chronic pain um and we need to start
00:24:59
bringing things more together M and
00:25:03
educating people like instead of saying
00:25:05
that's not my role educating people on
00:25:07
some of that whole person approach to
00:25:12
back pain fertility what whatever it be
00:25:15
I think that's really the key mate how's
00:25:18
how's your mental health been has it
00:25:20
always been good yeah it has mate I'm
00:25:23
have you had to work work on it or you
00:25:24
just you've been one of the lucky ones
00:25:26
or really fortunate mate and that um I
00:25:30
found a lot of these modalities before I
00:25:33
got married before I had kids before I
00:25:36
had a mortgage before I had a business
00:25:39
all of the things which may Peak people
00:25:42
off to have a less than optimal mental
00:25:45
health I was already doing things to
00:25:47
steal my or make more resilient my
00:25:50
mental health or mental Fitness uh so if
00:25:52
you think of mental Fitness like
00:25:54
physical fitness so I was just very
00:25:56
fortunate in my Pursuit of helping my
00:25:58
population of clients that these
00:26:00
techniques also help to improve your
00:26:02
mental Fitness so mate I've been really
00:26:05
good I'm I'm really fortunate to say
00:26:07
that what what has been um like the
00:26:10
lowest point in your life you reckon I
00:26:12
think um back pain I struggled with back
00:26:14
pain yeah for a very long time and I
00:26:16
think that out of that adversity has
00:26:18
given me these tools to look at things
00:26:20
differently because I had back pain for
00:26:22
12 years really debilitating back pain
00:26:24
and I remember when my my parents came
00:26:26
over to see me in London
00:26:28
and uh we went to have dinner and they
00:26:30
were up at the table and I was kneeling
00:26:31
down on the floor and Mom just started
00:26:33
crying and it you know still creases me
00:26:35
up a little bit now because I couldn't
00:26:37
sit because of my back um and I just
00:26:41
thought that was normal I'm like yeah
00:26:42
but I've got three prolapse discs in my
00:26:44
back I there is a ceiling on what I can
00:26:47
do that I just normalized that because
00:26:48
that's what I was told by the 14
00:26:50
different physios that I saw oh you in
00:26:53
for my my girlfriend she said to me Dom
00:26:56
you can't keep replacing phys until you
00:26:58
find the answer you want but it turns
00:26:59
out you can you can mate and I really
00:27:01
encourage you to four people out there
00:27:03
keep searching cuz so many people come
00:27:05
to me or when you go to a barbecue which
00:27:08
you know you always get tapped for info
00:27:09
when you're at a barbecue um and then
00:27:12
they I tried physio you know so
00:27:15
depending on how much um respect I have
00:27:19
for that person will depend on my answer
00:27:20
it might be like okay cool man or it
00:27:22
might be like hey do you know that not
00:27:24
all physio the same and not all physios
00:27:27
are s of the same on the one day as the
00:27:29
next day so physios really get a window
00:27:33
of maybe 20 to 30 minutes to see someone
00:27:35
yeah they can't unravel all the stuff so
00:27:39
maybe you need to give that physio
00:27:40
another chance a different lens to look
00:27:42
through maybe more time or maybe you
00:27:44
need to seek out another physio who will
00:27:46
be totally different to the other one
00:27:48
yeah and you got to keep searching
00:27:49
that's certainly what I did and then
00:27:51
found the answer eventually so how did
00:27:53
you fix your
00:27:54
back so um I had spinal surgery when I
00:27:58
was 30 over in London which was a really
00:28:02
I was a Physio and I saw what happened
00:28:04
when people had spinal surgery so I was
00:28:06
really freaked out about that um but
00:28:09
that was yeah that was the lowest point
00:28:10
in my life the Searing back pain I
00:28:12
couldn't defecate in the morning you
00:28:13
know it was those things which was such
00:28:16
a problem I couldn't touch my kneecaps
00:28:18
from a standing position wow wild mate
00:28:22
so much disability you wouldn't believe
00:28:23
it now right but um so I saw Europe's uh
00:28:27
top neurosurgeon um Peter Hamlin and he
00:28:32
did a really good job on my back but a
00:28:35
year later I was still in pain and I
00:28:37
went back to him and um he was sort of
00:28:41
frustrated and annoyed because surgeons
00:28:43
don't really like to admit that they
00:28:45
might not have got that problem sorted
00:28:47
so he sort of dismissed me which is fine
00:28:49
that's okay but it made me now my good
00:28:52
friend Jimmy hunt will call this radical
00:28:54
ownership but it made me have a moment
00:28:56
of radical ownership realizing no one's
00:28:58
going to fix this it's up to me now and
00:29:01
that's when I looked outside the box of
00:29:03
physiotherapy to basically come up with
00:29:07
a program that alleviated my back
00:29:09
pain radical ownership I like that I've
00:29:12
never heard that phrase Jimmy HP by the
00:29:13
way for anyone that doesn't know he's
00:29:14
like a mental health Advocate um he's
00:29:16
written a book about didn't he like raft
00:29:18
down the W River he did he led down Li
00:29:21
yeah and walked the uh walked the length
00:29:23
of the country as well he did yeah he's
00:29:25
the world's largest water slide um yeah
00:29:28
he's he's an amazing guy so worth
00:29:30
Googling withth Googling and doing some
00:29:32
uh research on him yeah and he's he's
00:29:34
got numerous books out but he also just
00:29:36
genuinely cares for people yeah and you
00:29:38
can hit him up and he will try and help
00:29:40
you yeah but that radical ownership
00:29:42
that's that comes from a position of yes
00:29:44
things aren't fair in life things aren't
00:29:46
just whatever it took to get you into
00:29:49
this state it might be totally unfair
00:29:52
but it's how you come out of it and
00:29:53
that's 100% your
00:29:55
responsibility do you do you think with
00:29:57
mental health there's some people that
00:29:58
um that would say clinical depression
00:30:01
need to be medicated or do you think
00:30:02
that for most people like 95 99% of
00:30:05
people there's an alternative way yeah I
00:30:08
think um depression is a there's it's a
00:30:11
really complex thing depression is um
00:30:14
but I do think there's mental health and
00:30:18
mental illness yeah well this mate this
00:30:21
is one thing that really irks me like
00:30:23
someone will say um oh yeah no he's not
00:30:25
he's not well he's got mental health but
00:30:26
it's like
00:30:27
everyone has physical health and
00:30:29
everyone has mental health yeah like
00:30:31
mental health is not a condition it's
00:30:32
something that we all have yeah exactly
00:30:34
and this is where I think mental health
00:30:36
awareness is not really doing quite
00:30:39
right and if anything it might be making
00:30:40
things worse because people are learning
00:30:42
that there's mental health out there and
00:30:45
then they use that as an excuse or a
00:30:47
crutch because they don't really
00:30:49
understand the physiology of say anxiety
00:30:52
and when you understand that anxiety is
00:30:54
actually a physiological state that
00:30:56
occurs goes through various things maybe
00:30:59
a disordered breathing pattern maybe a
00:31:01
poor tolerance to carbon dioxide maybe
00:31:04
inflammation and then there are actually
00:31:06
some things you can do to alter that
00:31:08
positively so how about we have the
00:31:10
discussion around mental health
00:31:12
awareness of actually talking about what
00:31:14
is anxiety yeah what is depression how
00:31:17
about we talk about the fact that 30% of
00:31:20
depression 30 to 40% of depression is
00:31:23
caused by inflammation so why don't we
00:31:25
learn about how inflammation is
00:31:27
potentially causing depression and how
00:31:30
people with inflammation as their cause
00:31:32
of depression the medications won't
00:31:34
actually work well for them not only
00:31:36
that Dom but there's also the notion
00:31:38
that if you are inflamed your risk of
00:31:43
depression becomes greater yeah so why
00:31:45
aren't we testing people for their
00:31:47
inflammatory marker which is a very
00:31:49
difficult thing to get out of a doctor I
00:31:51
pay for my own cost
00:31:53
$20.10 down down at toonga and why
00:31:56
aren't we testing these things routinely
00:32:00
and then we can say well your
00:32:01
inflammation marker is up a little bit
00:32:03
there's a you know there's a potential
00:32:05
risk factor here for depression yeah do
00:32:08
we understand what that is and until we
00:32:09
go through some things which might be
00:32:11
able to mitigate that from happening so
00:32:13
the other conversations I'd rather see
00:32:15
in Mental Health Awareness Week um or
00:32:18
just in mental health programming really
00:32:20
the understanding of what mental Fitness
00:32:23
is because what I'm seeing is people
00:32:25
coming to me asking for it note to get
00:32:27
them out of PE because of their anxiety
00:32:30
you know but it's sort of been you know
00:32:32
it's in our culture now we get the
00:32:34
Kardashians on the television there and
00:32:36
you get Courtney come out and say to
00:32:37
Chloe oh my God those shoes are giving
00:32:40
me anxiety so we're using the words
00:32:42
wrong th those shoes are not giving her
00:32:45
anxiety she is upset at the color choice
00:32:48
of Chloe's shoes or whatever it be but
00:32:50
that is not anxiety yeah that's it's a
00:32:52
flippant remark isn't it totally and
00:32:54
we're using that now and people are
00:32:56
hanging on to my anxiety you know what
00:32:59
is that is it a a living thing within
00:33:01
you no it's just your response or
00:33:03
reaction to a situation which is over
00:33:06
and above what it needs to be
00:33:09
yeah um speaking of anxiety though um I
00:33:12
did have real anxiety when I was at your
00:33:15
place and I was about to go on the ice
00:33:16
bath um so at the back of Nigel's house
00:33:18
you've got a a SAA um which is a great
00:33:21
social Space by the way and you share a
00:33:22
lot on your social media um does has
00:33:25
anyone anyone um complained or said oh
00:33:27
no can you not please no photos you like
00:33:30
right everyone everyone seems really
00:33:32
good like you have you have so many high
00:33:33
performance and high function Joel
00:33:35
shadbolt good friend of yours from the
00:33:37
band La one of the best vocalists in the
00:33:38
country um he's on your Instagram all
00:33:40
the time in the sa All Blacks rugby
00:33:42
league players yeah you name that
00:33:44
they're there no everyone's okay with
00:33:46
being yeah they are yeah yeah they um I
00:33:49
mean I was happy when I was there
00:33:50
because I was um flanked between an all
00:33:52
black and one of the greatest female
00:33:54
rugby players yeah that's right and and
00:33:56
the conversations are so good and
00:33:58
honestly what's happened on that sauna
00:34:00
bench has really launched some careers
00:34:03
so Josiah naty who um there was we had a
00:34:06
great performance group there we we did
00:34:09
I think it was four days we had Marcus
00:34:11
Armstrong who's the Indie Car Racer now
00:34:13
um Josiah natski who's a he races for
00:34:17
Kawasaki uh over in North America um
00:34:21
professional Motocross rider we had Nick
00:34:23
Mo from zuru oh yeah he's a great guy
00:34:25
Jay reev was there and on Ln Brown so
00:34:28
man what a pool of experience and advice
00:34:31
and it was in the SAA that Josiah you
00:34:34
know Anton lard Brown and Sarah had they
00:34:37
asked him what where's he going with his
00:34:39
career and Josiah said oh I really want
00:34:41
to race at America and Anton he was
00:34:44
pretty tough he said well you're not in
00:34:47
America you need to be in America if you
00:34:49
want to race in America so he really
00:34:51
challenged his process of Josiah was
00:34:53
just sort of cruising through with this
00:34:56
notion and this head that that was his
00:34:57
goal but he didn't have any steps to
00:34:59
enable him to reach that goal right so
00:35:01
in that SAA mate that was the moment
00:35:04
that triggered his he brought flights to
00:35:07
the states that week I I I love that so
00:35:10
much about that space that you've
00:35:12
created in your saw it's like it is like
00:35:13
an exchanging of ideas yeah um I had
00:35:16
very little to bring when when I was in
00:35:19
this cor um but I was just like taking
00:35:21
it all in and absorbing it it was great
00:35:23
so when did you get into the the whole
00:35:25
hot cold thing because this is become I
00:35:28
suppose um like a Cornerstone of what
00:35:30
you're about but it's nothing
00:35:31
necessarily to do with physiotherapy is
00:35:32
it no not really and but it kind of is
00:35:35
it's what it should be because I was
00:35:37
seeing this population of clients who
00:35:39
are struggling with chronic pain I
00:35:41
typically see people that have had pain
00:35:42
for a long time I don't see the rugby
00:35:43
guys that have had a bump or a bruise on
00:35:45
the weekend or the sprained ankles going
00:35:47
up the mound I don't see that stuff you
00:35:49
better off seen someone down the road
00:35:50
who can who can handle that I tend to
00:35:52
see people who are struggling that are
00:35:54
failed common treatment approaches and I
00:35:57
knew that there was a role in their pain
00:35:59
and their condition of the autonomic
00:36:02
nervous system which is made up of the
00:36:04
parasympathetic and the sympathetic so
00:36:07
rest and digest flight fight and freeze
00:36:10
calm stress I knew there was a role but
00:36:14
we didn't know that we could influence
00:36:15
it we thought it was unconsciously
00:36:18
beyond our control and that's what
00:36:20
science said in the books and then in
00:36:22
2013 whim Hoff did a study at the Rabon
00:36:26
University in the Netherlands where he
00:36:27
was injected with ecoli an
00:36:30
endotoxin uh which should have triggered
00:36:32
off this huge immune response he
00:36:34
defeated the eoli within 15 minutes so
00:36:38
that then to those researchers they were
00:36:40
like wow whim you've just attenuated the
00:36:43
innate immune response the that cannot
00:36:45
be controlled you've controlled it
00:36:47
you're amazing and whm bean whim said
00:36:50
I'm not amazing you know he could have
00:36:52
been a David Blaine and done all these
00:36:54
tricks around the world slowing his
00:36:55
heart rate yeah yeah so for anyone I
00:36:58
don't want to patronize anyone that's
00:36:59
listening but just in case there's
00:37:00
anyone that doesn't know uh about the
00:37:02
Wim Hoff story or who he is um how would
00:37:05
you how would you describe him in a
00:37:06
couple of sentences I know he's got a
00:37:08
[ __ ] ton of World Records yep 26
00:37:09
Guinness World Records he is a
00:37:12
remarkable man who has a technique
00:37:16
called the Wim Hoff method which
00:37:18
utilizes breathing techniques and
00:37:20
gradual nonforced exposure to cold an
00:37:24
awful awful backstory right with us with
00:37:26
wife yeah and when you think about why
00:37:30
why did whim get into this well his wife
00:37:32
committed suicide and he was left with
00:37:35
five four children between the age of 5
00:37:37
and 11 to bring up so his real Mission
00:37:40
he wanted to end depression so she had
00:37:43
depression and uh she committed suicide
00:37:45
and you know he had his own grief to go
00:37:47
through as well so that was his very
00:37:49
noble cause for seeking out how to help
00:37:52
the world and he's just a
00:37:54
massive like his spirit is phenomenal if
00:37:58
you could watch a documentary on him I
00:37:59
think and if it was just one I would say
00:38:02
the goop lab no I would agree with seen
00:38:05
that yeah it's it's a good bite-size
00:38:07
entry into the world of Wim Hof yeah and
00:38:09
it comes from a bit more of a feminine
00:38:10
angle rather than some of the you know
00:38:13
people that he was on Joe Rogan's
00:38:16
podcast so then you got a lot of Macho
00:38:17
male men attracted to his techniques and
00:38:20
methods and they were sort of telling
00:38:21
the story from the ah but I think
00:38:23
gwyneth's show brings it down to more of
00:38:25
that more feminine um style which I
00:38:28
really like so so you're you're not just
00:38:30
a student of H you and him are sort of
00:38:32
like mates right yeah stays at your
00:38:34
house and yeah so we're very good
00:38:36
friends good confidants um yeah Mass how
00:38:40
did how did that happen um so that study
00:38:43
was in
00:38:44
2013 um so so then I read that study I
00:38:50
was blown away and I was like this is
00:38:51
going to help my population of clients I
00:38:53
have to seek this guy out and learn more
00:38:56
from him and he happened to be coming
00:38:57
down to Australia to do a weekl long
00:38:59
livein retreat so I went over there um
00:39:03
to try and learn more about his methods
00:39:04
it was an amazing group of people there
00:39:06
were 30 of us there this would never
00:39:08
happen now there' be probably 500 people
00:39:10
there and you'd probably get an
00:39:11
instructor of whims but there were 30
00:39:13
people there and we still really tight
00:39:15
to this day that group of people and
00:39:18
there was no one there really going to
00:39:20
learn about his method to deploy it in a
00:39:22
clinical setting it was more people they
00:39:25
had lme disease uh major depressive
00:39:28
disorder um all manners of you know
00:39:32
there was pain it was like wow this is
00:39:34
amazing but all of these people were
00:39:36
sort of seeking out that top 2% you know
00:39:39
these were real successful people in
00:39:40
business but they might have been
00:39:42
suffering with burnout or successful
00:39:44
people in um whatever they're trying to
00:39:46
do in life um yeah so amazing group
00:39:49
people so I went and had a week with him
00:39:51
um just connected um and yeah we became
00:39:56
really really good friends I help him I
00:39:57
helped him articulate some of the
00:39:59
science that I was seen from what I
00:40:02
thought was occurring during the Wim
00:40:03
Hoff method um then he came and stayed
00:40:06
yeah with the family and uh my little
00:40:09
boy is is sharing his middle name uh my
00:40:12
my little boy's middle name is whim so
00:40:15
wow yeah so there's a connection there
00:40:17
named after whim that wasn't my choice
00:40:18
that was my wife's and you um you you do
00:40:21
you do a great impression of him you um
00:40:24
I don't I don't know if you want to
00:40:24
share this on maybe this is a thing but
00:40:27
uh uh when I stayed with you we walked
00:40:29
up Mount [ __ ] and you were bare feet
00:40:31
and you you did an impression of wh
00:40:33
walking up uh Mount [ __ ] chatting to
00:40:35
strangers on the way oh yeah yeah cuz it
00:40:37
was amazing we're cuz when we're staying
00:40:39
and we're going up the mount and you
00:40:41
know it was always a bit of a bug beer
00:40:43
of mine when you'd go up the mount that
00:40:45
people wouldn't say hello and um you
00:40:47
know I like saying hello to people
00:40:49
you're you're both out there doing the
00:40:51
same thing at the same time and it's
00:40:52
kind of a cool connection I agree I'm
00:40:54
like that with running I wave at
00:40:55
everybody and wh just wouldn't say hello
00:40:57
mate he say hey man hey how you going
00:41:00
good are you man keep it going we go on
00:41:03
you go and these people were just
00:41:06
getting bursts of enthusiasm from weird
00:41:10
Barefoot Jesus looking guy they didn't
00:41:13
know who he
00:41:14
was yeah so yeah it was great stuff um
00:41:18
oh yeah yeah you told me another story
00:41:20
about um most people had no idea who he
00:41:22
was or they didn't acknowledge Him and
00:41:23
then there was some guy at the top that
00:41:24
uh said oh my God whim off you changed
00:41:27
my life thing that's so cool and I've
00:41:29
been with whim so many times now Jess
00:41:31
and I went and saw him um had a week
00:41:33
with him in Australia a couple of months
00:41:35
ago and he's so so full of life mate but
00:41:38
he practices what he preaches he gets up
00:41:39
in the morning and he does does the
00:41:41
stuff um but when you're out with him in
00:41:44
public now like especially in Australia
00:41:46
people come up to him and say you saved
00:41:48
my life and they like one guy jumped
00:41:52
through a restaurant window women and I
00:41:54
were having dinner he jumped in through
00:41:55
the restaurant window
00:41:56
and hugged him and said how he saved his
00:41:59
life so and that just happens so often
00:42:02
mate amazing and he travels only with um
00:42:04
like carry on right like a he tuned up
00:42:07
at my house I had to give him a pair of
00:42:08
shoes um yeah and he had a just a
00:42:11
backpack which was half full he had
00:42:13
nothing in there so um mate he's he's
00:42:16
the Gypsy traveler yeah um I listen to
00:42:20
an audio book of his a few years ago and
00:42:21
there was a there's a mentor in the a
00:42:23
cold Sher day keeps the doctor away um
00:42:25
but you go level you've got like a a
00:42:28
customade ice bath which by by the way
00:42:32
um am I the most hilarious person you be
00:42:34
honest with me the most hilarious
00:42:37
awkward uncomfortable person you've seen
00:42:38
in the eyes you were definitely up there
00:42:41
yes it was I'm not good at putting on a
00:42:44
a poker face but so this this this this
00:42:47
time I spent at your house so um Jack
00:42:48
godu from the crusaders had get in and
00:42:50
he was like chatting to me and chatting
00:42:52
to you chatting to people it was like it
00:42:54
was a warm bath I got in there and and I
00:42:56
was like a face of concentration you can
00:42:58
see veins poking out of my neck I wasn't
00:43:00
haming it up or anything I was doing the
00:43:01
best I could to be calm yeah but then
00:43:04
when I see that in someone that's when I
00:43:06
know hey he's in the right place because
00:43:08
this is what he needs and day two you
00:43:10
were much much better you know so and I
00:43:12
I I didn't not enjoy it either I found
00:43:15
it invigorating it was a wonderful
00:43:16
experience it was it was [ __ ] amazing
00:43:19
well that's the unconscious that's the
00:43:21
that's our threshold for that stress
00:43:23
system to come on is governed by our
00:43:25
environment
00:43:26
so past experiences current environment
00:43:30
and everyone's got a different threshold
00:43:31
to that stress St so by going into the
00:43:33
ice that triggered off your stress
00:43:35
system that was like flight and fight
00:43:37
and freeze you know survival so you know
00:43:41
people like Jack and you know I jumped
00:43:43
out of my first cold shower after 10
00:43:45
seconds I thought F this no way man but
00:43:48
um yeah is that a good way for people to
00:43:49
start so I must admit so you're in my
00:43:52
house at the moment it's an apartment I
00:43:54
could probably get a sauna put in the
00:43:55
closet somewhere but I don't really have
00:43:57
room for an ice bath so I've been doing
00:43:58
I'll have a shower in the morning and
00:44:00
then for the last minute I'll put it on
00:44:02
cold and stand there in the first couple
00:44:04
of times you do it you're
00:44:05
hyperventilating um and then it just
00:44:07
gets it gets easier and easier and now I
00:44:10
wouldn't wouldn't say I look forward to
00:44:11
it but um it's a nice feeling when you
00:44:13
get out yeah if if you think about
00:44:15
what's the loow hanging fruit what is
00:44:18
the
00:44:19
non-negotiable cold shower at the end of
00:44:21
your daily warm shower non-negotiable
00:44:24
because for 30 seconds there is no one
00:44:27
who can come up with an excuse which
00:44:29
could derail you from that constant
00:44:31
practice so that's what I do personally
00:44:34
every day non-negotiable a cold show at
00:44:36
the end of my warm and if people just
00:44:38
start with that because then they're
00:44:40
achieving something and that is going to
00:44:42
have a therapeutic benefit and then
00:44:45
there are you're going to see a
00:44:46
proliferation of spaces around Oakland
00:44:49
uh coming up over the next few years
00:44:51
with proper SAA proper cold plunge and
00:44:54
then there will be a community to this
00:44:57
like I'm sure that people in Finland
00:44:59
would be uh like thinking wow there's a
00:45:02
guy talking about saer and cold plunging
00:45:04
on a podcast you know it's just their
00:45:06
culture it's their life it's what they
00:45:08
do and uh cuz it feels like it was um I
00:45:11
don't know I remember vaguely like like
00:45:14
growing up being real little like in the
00:45:15
1970s or 1980s and saers became like a
00:45:18
thing um and it feels like it's sort of
00:45:20
fashionable again but do you think it's
00:45:22
do you think it's like a a phase at the
00:45:24
moment or it's going to be here to stay
00:45:25
yeah I think it's fashionable now
00:45:27
because of the understanding around how
00:45:28
it works okay and the big thing with SAA
00:45:30
there was a 20-year observational study
00:45:33
which is huge 20 observing people over
00:45:36
20 years and to see what the effects are
00:45:38
of saering in Finland done by a
00:45:40
cardiologist called Dr Yari linan um in
00:45:43
Finland observing
00:45:45
2340 men over a space of 20 years to see
00:45:48
how it influences their health and that
00:45:50
study was amazing because it came out
00:45:52
that if you sorted four plus times a
00:45:55
week your risk risk of death from any
00:45:57
cause went down 40% your risk of
00:46:00
cardiovascular related death went down
00:46:02
50% and I think it's those kinds of
00:46:04
numbers that have gotten people to say
00:46:07
hey I want some of that now so instead
00:46:09
of us not really knowing what sauna was
00:46:11
thinking it was some kind of
00:46:12
Scandinavian or Russian kind of practice
00:46:14
that they would do but not knowing the
00:46:16
reason behind it and I've spoken to many
00:46:19
Scandinavians uh an Estonian sauna
00:46:21
master who we a great chat in a sauna he
00:46:23
knew nothing about the health benefits
00:46:25
of sauna he just knew it made him feel
00:46:27
great but he knew a lot about the
00:46:28
cultural aspect of sauna which we had a
00:46:30
great chat about um but I think that's
00:46:33
why youve seen this uptick people like d
00:46:35
Dr Ronda Patrick that are coming out
00:46:38
explaining the benefits of sauna people
00:46:40
like Andrew hubman coming out explaining
00:46:42
the benefits of SAA um yeah Lex fredman
00:46:45
Joe Rogan all that circuit they're all
00:46:47
massive on it um doesn't matter if it's
00:46:49
INF fored yeah so you will get some
00:46:52
benefit from infrared but you get a lot
00:46:54
more benefit from traditional authentic
00:46:57
finish SAA and in fact in in Europe in
00:47:00
countries it is illegal to to use
00:47:03
infrared SAA as two words oh okay you
00:47:06
have to say infrared cabin okay because
00:47:09
it just doesn't have the same benefits
00:47:11
you know it's better than nothing maybe
00:47:12
but um I really think if people can I I
00:47:16
really push for people to get an
00:47:17
authentic finish saer or authentic
00:47:20
Scandinavian sauner uh in their home and
00:47:22
that is what defines that well that
00:47:24
means a saer that can go
00:47:26
um between 0 and 100° which is bloody
00:47:29
hot and also you need to have the
00:47:31
ability to put water onto rocks which
00:47:33
will create what in the in the Finnish
00:47:36
term is Lulu which I'm probably
00:47:38
pronouncing terrible there but um uh
00:47:41
yeah Lulu which is essentially means the
00:47:42
spirit of life or the essence of life um
00:47:45
that really does bring about a new
00:47:47
sensation into the sauna remember when I
00:47:49
put the water on the rocks and it's like
00:47:51
w this wave of heat and you try and bury
00:47:53
down as low as you can go to try and get
00:47:54
away from that um oh me me specifically
00:47:57
yeah yeah only you Dom ever
00:48:01
so yeah I know since I saw you I've been
00:48:05
doing the cold shower thing which I know
00:48:06
is not as good as a nice bath but it's
00:48:08
still invigorating and makes you feel
00:48:10
good and I've been going to um there's
00:48:12
some baths not far from where I live
00:48:13
called The [ __ ] baths and I've been
00:48:14
going there but this morning's like 70
00:48:16
70° yeah so I did 30 or 40 minutes in
00:48:18
there and I know I remember you saying
00:48:20
something about how it's um it should be
00:48:23
stressing your body but I actually enjoy
00:48:26
starts to get maybe a little unpleasant
00:48:27
towards the end but it's mostly
00:48:28
enjoyable does that mean I'm not getting
00:48:29
the benefit potentially if you're at 70
00:48:32
you need to have a high amount of water
00:48:34
on the Rocks so I was in London end of
00:48:36
last year um and I went to two amazing
00:48:39
saers over there um though were more
00:48:42
Russian style so they run their saers at
00:48:45
about 70° but they use a lot of humidity
00:48:47
a lot of water on the rocks and boy that
00:48:49
was tough so I think 70° in a dry sauna
00:48:54
probably won't be enough um so when I
00:48:57
say won't be enough you probably have to
00:48:58
spend a lot longer in there to reach
00:49:00
that state of discomfort but really with
00:49:03
saer it should be uncomfortable in the
00:49:05
last minute or two um and with ice it's
00:49:08
always uncomfortable in the first minute
00:49:10
and then you start to get a little bit
00:49:11
used to it yeah that's
00:49:14
cool that's really cool okay well yeah I
00:49:17
was eyeing up this one called an Oslo
00:49:18
which is like a one
00:49:20
person um sweet infrared cabin I guess
00:49:24
yes um maybe I'll I'll put that on hold
00:49:26
for now save your money if you and I I
00:49:28
really yeah I get a lot of this on my
00:49:30
Instagram people always ask me what's
00:49:32
the difference and there are benefits
00:49:34
from infrared SAA but it's a different
00:49:36
style of heating it's it's heating you
00:49:38
from within so it's infrared waves which
00:49:40
enter in your body so it's not really
00:49:42
heating up the room um whereas authentic
00:49:45
SAA heats up the room to 80 to 100° and
00:49:49
the modality is a lot different and then
00:49:52
you think about well why do we SAA and
00:49:55
you know why are we seeing all these
00:49:56
amazing results in the studies looking
00:49:58
at longevity but also depression uh heat
00:50:02
as a um modality to help treat a major
00:50:06
depressive disorder there's some great
00:50:08
research on that um so really we're
00:50:11
activating what's called our heat shock
00:50:13
proteins these are proteins that um
00:50:16
directly come out as a response to heat
00:50:18
and they seek out the damaged proteins
00:50:21
in our body which when proteins damaged
00:50:23
we're all made up of proteins when they
00:50:25
damage they fold over and then they
00:50:27
aggregate they stick together and that
00:50:29
can cause all sorts of problems
00:50:31
medically so these heat chock proteins
00:50:33
come out and literally unfold those
00:50:36
damaged proteins so that's how we get
00:50:38
repair and Rejuvenation but there's
00:50:40
numerous other benefits to that
00:50:42
authentic St sauna it um stiffens the
00:50:45
arteries which is actually a good thing
00:50:47
um it uh helps our blood pressure it
00:50:51
mimics moderate cardiovascular exercise
00:50:53
it's really like a workout so there's
00:50:55
there's a lot of benefits to traditional
00:50:57
SAA you've used so many big words in
00:50:59
this podcast um I I I generally assume
00:51:02
any room I go to I assume I'm probably
00:51:04
the dumbest person in the room so I'm
00:51:05
sure there's a lot of people that
00:51:06
understand everything you're talking
00:51:07
about but maybe there's some people like
00:51:09
me that don't but it's um the the bits
00:51:11
in between that I do understand it's
00:51:12
bloody great stuff cool God you're doing
00:51:14
great work um so the week we're
00:51:17
recording this the the All Blacks are in
00:51:18
Oakland and they're about to go to
00:51:20
Melbourne for a game against Australia
00:51:22
who so who reaches out to you so you're
00:51:24
not here in an official role with the
00:51:25
All Blacks yeah no I'm not like an
00:51:27
individual sort of personal trainer sort
00:51:29
of VI yeah but but with their blessing I
00:51:31
guess so I was with the All Blacks in
00:51:33
2019 I was asked to come in and uh give
00:51:38
um my thoughts on performance I was with
00:51:40
the uh Wes at that stage and um yeah so
00:51:45
implemented a program in that World Cup
00:51:47
campaign that um they use for the year
00:51:49
so in that time I got to meet a number
00:51:51
of the All Blacks and um I continued to
00:51:55
work with they they saw some of my work
00:51:58
and the when you're in an all black
00:51:59
environment there's just no time so but
00:52:01
they knew that there was some more to my
00:52:03
work and so I started working with
00:52:05
members of the team on a one-on-one
00:52:07
capacity over time and
00:52:11
then yeah
00:52:13
the uh the All Blacks had a camp down in
00:52:15
Mount mongui one of the players reached
00:52:17
out to me um for some help around a
00:52:20
situation and then seeing I I knew the
00:52:24
All Blacks set up he went back spoke to
00:52:26
them and they said yeah let's bring [ __ ]
00:52:28
into these camps to help um how did you
00:52:30
how did you um team up with Joel
00:52:32
shadbolt from laab how did that
00:52:34
relationship come about yeah so he came
00:52:35
to me um and he was just you know he was
00:52:41
having some issues um before a
00:52:43
performance so i n stage yeah which is
00:52:47
totally logical when you go out in front
00:52:49
of you know 30,000 people and you have
00:52:53
to execute a skill set and give to that
00:52:56
crowd and lift them up and to all of
00:52:58
those things um yeah it's logical that
00:53:01
your body will start to corrupt your
00:53:02
skill SC and start to put you into this
00:53:05
state of uh maybe Panic or agitation or
00:53:08
and then yeah so I started working with
00:53:10
Joel back then um and yeah we just
00:53:14
continue on because there's been it's
00:53:16
been a really good relationship and um
00:53:19
there's still some techniques and
00:53:21
modalities that Joel uses you know
00:53:23
before a performance or um on tour
00:53:25
especially cuz that's really rigorous
00:53:28
but he's noticed massive changes and um
00:53:31
yeah he's great so he he comes for the
00:53:32
catch-ups we were working together for
00:53:35
three years saering doing all the stuff
00:53:38
before we actually had a drink so that
00:53:41
was he loved it because it was like
00:53:43
every time people want to catch up with
00:53:45
him it's always around alcohol and it
00:53:47
was only about six weeks ago he's like
00:53:48
mate do you want a whiskey on the deck
00:53:50
and we did and he's like this is the
00:53:52
first time we've actually had alcohol so
00:53:54
I think saer is great because you don't
00:53:56
need to have something in your hand I
00:53:59
was going to say just when you were
00:54:00
Midway through that sentence um that
00:54:02
environment of being in your sauna with
00:54:05
a bunch of other people it is kind of
00:54:07
like sitting around in the evening
00:54:08
having a drink with people on a deck the
00:54:10
sort of conversations that go on I don't
00:54:12
know it just feels like a safe space or
00:54:13
something totally it is really good for
00:54:15
that totally good for that so that's why
00:54:17
I recommend when people get saers get
00:54:18
bigger than what you think you'll need
00:54:20
because then you can invite people
00:54:21
around and it's quite a social thing um
00:54:24
does does I mean clear clearly the
00:54:26
answer is no but I I wonder if like your
00:54:28
wife's bothered bothered about this like
00:54:29
your house is like a halfway house yeah
00:54:32
gr granted it's it's a very very um upm
00:54:35
Market halfway house it's like a who's
00:54:37
who of New Zealand sports and
00:54:38
entertainment but there's people traing
00:54:40
through all the time she's getting tows
00:54:41
out for people like me that forget to
00:54:43
bring their own yeah she all good with
00:54:44
it yeah she is she's she's very
00:54:47
welcoming and she's um she's amazing
00:54:49
mate she totally is so um very welcoming
00:54:53
of the people um and she knows the
00:54:56
mission yeah
00:54:57
so
00:54:59
um yeah she's she loves it yeah she's
00:55:03
very shy like she'll she will like be
00:55:06
like I won't go in when you're in there
00:55:07
or you know but then I'm like no come on
00:55:09
then but it's great she doesn't know
00:55:11
half them because she's not really in
00:55:13
that space it's quite funny she asked
00:55:15
one of the All Blacks uh what do you do
00:55:18
and play R oh who do you play for you
00:55:20
know it's quite endearing exactly quite
00:55:23
good um and so you got two kids man's
00:55:26
your daughter how how old she she's
00:55:28
eight eight and Henley Henley that's
00:55:31
right um yeah so so when when we were
00:55:34
there last year um your daughter Mani
00:55:36
she she kept on writing me up like
00:55:38
citation tickets for swearing yeah mate
00:55:40
um yeah Jack good she's clearly got a
00:55:42
type and it's going to be it's going to
00:55:44
be big rugby players because um yeah
00:55:47
Jack good Hugh he he didn't get any
00:55:48
citations yeah well he got a free pass
00:55:51
on a lot of things I don't know if he
00:55:52
transgressed as much as you do um
00:55:55
yeah so that great yeah well yeah she
00:55:59
used to you know if you said the word
00:56:01
bloody she' get herck WR your a little
00:56:04
note that's awesome um should we end
00:56:07
with a couple of sort of um I was going
00:56:08
to say quick five but they don't
00:56:09
actually have to be quick five but um
00:56:11
just some questions that I think um can
00:56:14
provide some information that can you
00:56:16
help anyone that's listening to this
00:56:17
yeah that would be good um first of all
00:56:19
one thing one thing I've I've noticed
00:56:20
and some people I suppose depending on
00:56:22
the quality of the headphones they're
00:56:23
listening with would have noticed um
00:56:25
you're a nasal breather like quite often
00:56:27
you'll stop at the end of a sentence and
00:56:30
inhale through the nose and speak again
00:56:32
um this is an intentional thing this is
00:56:34
the correct way of breathing yes exactly
00:56:36
the we should be breathing through our
00:56:38
nose for pretty much 100% of the time
00:56:41
for most people because nasal breathing
00:56:44
is so important for Optimal Health the
00:56:47
nose serves 26 different functions it
00:56:49
warms the air humidifies the air you've
00:56:52
got turbinid in the nasal cavity which
00:56:53
spiral the air into the lungs at the
00:56:55
right speed you've got mucus which traps
00:56:58
pathogens and um all sorts of stuff um
00:57:02
Motorway dust out here in Oakland Dom
00:57:04
but um yeah and you've got the cyia
00:57:07
which is here which traps pathogens and
00:57:10
filters as well uh you got nitric oxide
00:57:12
which is a vasod dilator which opens up
00:57:14
the Airways so it's all about getting
00:57:17
more oxygen into our body how do we feel
00:57:19
good well if our body is properly
00:57:21
oxygenated when you're breathing through
00:57:23
your nose all of that St starts to
00:57:25
happen when you breathe through your
00:57:27
mouth you're blowing off carbon dioxide
00:57:30
far too much you're not utilizing the
00:57:33
nitric oxide which is not only a vasod
00:57:35
dilator mean more oxygen into the the
00:57:38
blood but it's also a sterilizing agent
00:57:40
so another protective mechanism um if
00:57:43
you breathe through your mouth you can
00:57:45
actually alter your jaw shape so it's
00:57:47
really important for kids to be nasal
00:57:50
breathers what takes us away from nasal
00:57:52
breathing is things like growing up in
00:57:53
an anxious environment experiencing some
00:57:55
form of trauma perhaps um and that
00:57:58
doesn't have to be like an emotional
00:57:59
abuse or anything like that it could
00:58:01
merely be growing up in a moldy damp
00:58:03
home and that will dictate kids to fall
00:58:07
into a mouth breathing trap postco I'm
00:58:10
seeing a lot of people with um you know
00:58:12
long covid problems and they flick into
00:58:15
a mouth breathing pattern um what else
00:58:18
it changes teeth um growth so you can
00:58:21
get a clusion of the teeth you get a um
00:58:24
m
00:58:25
um Mal form jaw formation so it becomes
00:58:27
a lot shorter and sunken rather than
00:58:29
elongated um what else happens so it
00:58:33
really yeah makes sense to try and be a
00:58:35
nasal breather at all times and I this
00:58:38
is a real loow hanging fruit not only
00:58:40
for just dayto day but for exercise as
00:58:42
well and did I am I imagining this or
00:58:45
did I um hear you say somewhere that
00:58:47
people should sleep with um tape over
00:58:49
their mouth yeah some people should um
00:58:51
and there's a thing in one of the meteor
00:58:54
Outlets you know just trying to debunk
00:58:56
that until you read down the bottom um
00:58:58
they had like a uh you know a little
00:59:01
conflict of interest report there saying
00:59:03
actually this guy owns a sleep sleep
00:59:05
clinic and of course he's advocating for
00:59:06
everyone to go to a Sleep Clinic but on
00:59:09
the whole let's Empower people let's not
00:59:13
say oh you've actually got to you know
00:59:14
give them something and try it is it
00:59:16
going to work yes or no you're not going
00:59:17
to die from taping your mouth and how do
00:59:20
how do how do we take that because the
00:59:22
last thing I want is anyone to you go is
00:59:24
it like a little strip covering the lips
00:59:26
or all all it is and of course you use
00:59:29
some logic if you're full with a cold if
00:59:32
you can't breathe very well through your
00:59:34
nose to start with yeah you wouldn't
00:59:36
maybe tape it but if you do die hey come
00:59:39
back and see us and
00:59:41
then give you a refund ha Nigel ha Nigel
00:59:45
but yeah mouth taping is simply a strip
00:59:47
of you can use multiple tapes I've
00:59:49
actually got some specific mouth tape
00:59:51
with me now for one of the guys but um
00:59:54
you can get something called myotape or
00:59:56
you can just get some 3M micropore and
00:59:58
it's literally a vertical strip so your
01:00:00
lips aren't even completely uded and I
01:00:03
think if people just try even if they
01:00:05
don't tape through the night they might
01:00:07
just tape their mouth for the hour
01:00:08
before bed and see does this bring about
01:00:11
some change because if you tape your
01:00:13
mouth at night and if it's going to work
01:00:14
for you you'll wake up feeling massively
01:00:17
more refreshed that's how you know if
01:00:18
it's
01:00:19
working is there um breathing routines
01:00:23
or techniques that anyone can do while
01:00:24
while you know driving or walking or
01:00:26
whatever that can improve their mood I
01:00:28
know I know wh whm Hoff like before the
01:00:30
the the ice ice water stuff um it's
01:00:33
generally rooted in sort of a breathing
01:00:35
technique isn't it yeah but with whims
01:00:37
breathing definitely keep that away from
01:00:39
water because um wh's breathing
01:00:42
technique is very strong and powerful
01:00:44
it's a controlled hyperventilation
01:00:46
technique I actually don't teach that in
01:00:48
my clinic so um there's other forms of
01:00:52
breathing you can do which can bring
01:00:54
about
01:00:55
a a better change within you I think for
01:00:58
the general population and that is to
01:01:00
shut their mouth and breathe through
01:01:01
their nose that's a key okay and then on
01:01:04
my Instagram um I've actually done a
01:01:08
video of my 5 minute anti- agitation
01:01:11
breathing and I get so many comments
01:01:13
about that um and that's just the tile
01:01:15
where it's my head holding up four
01:01:17
fingers and if you look at that one and
01:01:19
go through that for 5 minutes I think
01:01:22
that would be my advice on a powerful
01:01:24
technique that you can do to bring about
01:01:27
change when you're in an anxious moment
01:01:29
it brings about a real sense of calm how
01:01:31
far down on your Instagram is that oh
01:01:33
yeah it's a little bit you you need to
01:01:35
learn how to pin post maybe I should pin
01:01:38
that that at the top I pin it for two
01:01:40
months or something and then people you
01:01:42
know the listeners can check it out
01:01:43
sounds good um I've heard you say in a
01:01:45
podcast that the gut is the second brain
01:01:47
can you explain what that means yeah I I
01:01:50
think I don't want to get too In The
01:01:51
Weeds on that because yeah but cuz there
01:01:54
there are some other things that we can
01:01:56
do which can influence the gut for
01:01:58
example the vagus nerves go vagus nerve
01:02:00
goes all the way from the neck down into
01:02:02
the gut the Vegas nerve is directly
01:02:05
related to your autonomic nervous system
01:02:08
so if you can bring about some
01:02:10
equilibrium into that stress and calm
01:02:12
State your gut is going to get better
01:02:14
what I see in people is people that come
01:02:16
in with say anxiety or chronic pain you
01:02:20
will often find they'll have either um
01:02:22
diarrhea or constipation so that's a
01:02:25
neurally driven autonomically driven
01:02:28
problem so sometimes people can be
01:02:31
labeled with say IBS irritable bowel
01:02:33
syndrome or different things but really
01:02:35
I think we we've got to come out from
01:02:36
the heart of it which is a um
01:02:39
disequilibrium in the autonomic nervous
01:02:41
system so I think that's really where it
01:02:43
comes in yeah oh that's cool on how did
01:02:47
how what's your relationship with Mike
01:02:49
hosking and Kate hawksby he he talks
01:02:51
about you quite a lot yeah have you have
01:02:53
you had sessions with him haven't made
01:02:55
no so you you guys not bros I thought
01:02:56
you were like Bros no and have you met
01:03:00
we haven't met no he had me on his show
01:03:02
and I I did an interview with him I've
01:03:04
heard him do an interview with you and
01:03:05
he he and he talks about you a lot in
01:03:07
other interviews as well and I've I've
01:03:09
heard him talk about how you love a like
01:03:11
a French readed wine and I thought oh
01:03:13
these guys must have been on the Dick
01:03:14
together yeah no we haven't mate I'd
01:03:16
love I'd love to meet him um he really
01:03:19
sings your Praises yeah it's really it's
01:03:21
really good I and I really do appreciate
01:03:23
it cuz he's got such a platform
01:03:25
and and Kate does as well and yeah I
01:03:28
really appreciate those two it's amazing
01:03:31
that you can be on like a top rating
01:03:34
essentially a news program and he's
01:03:35
talking about things to optimize the
01:03:37
health so I really do like that well one
01:03:39
thing about that so um I believe they've
01:03:41
got a sauner at home uh I've heard him
01:03:43
say he has three cold showers a day yep
01:03:46
is that too is that one too
01:03:48
many I think one might be one's probably
01:03:51
linked into the SAA so when you when you
01:03:53
do SA he should always finish on cold
01:03:55
whether that be a cold shower or cold
01:03:58
plunge um and that's probably going to
01:04:00
make up at least one of his and if he
01:04:02
showers twice a day he'll always finish
01:04:04
on cold which is really what you should
01:04:06
do I mean what whatever he's doing it's
01:04:08
it's working for him I know I know he's
01:04:10
got a massive massive following like his
01:04:11
ratings are something like he's got like
01:04:12
a 20% market share which in radio is
01:04:14
massive um there's also a lot of people
01:04:16
that you know don't like him for his
01:04:17
beliefs or whatever but you listen to
01:04:19
the guy he's upbeat he's never sick he's
01:04:22
relentlessly positive and enthusiastic
01:04:24
and you think whatever he's doing he's
01:04:26
doing it right he's very cognitively
01:04:28
sharp isn't he when he's you know
01:04:30
imagine interviewing all those people
01:04:31
with a very short moment's notice and
01:04:33
having to be over such a range of topics
01:04:36
so I think when you look at him from
01:04:37
that
01:04:37
perspective um yeah someone sent like I
01:04:41
did a a post there and I said be like
01:04:44
Mike you know because in terms how did
01:04:47
they go down in the comments not too
01:04:48
well yeah so and I saying like be like
01:04:52
Mike in terms of his
01:04:55
you know what his health practices are
01:04:56
not his opinions oh and the the work
01:04:58
ethic of both those guys is second to
01:05:00
none I mean um you cannot take anything
01:05:02
away from the success that they have
01:05:04
because they they get up at [ __ ] o00
01:05:07
every like in the we're talking middle
01:05:09
of the night like 233 a.m. so they have
01:05:12
no sort of life during the week outside
01:05:13
of work and um he's done that for
01:05:16
they've both done it for a number of
01:05:17
years they're phenomenal broadcasters so
01:05:19
to to stay at the top of your game um
01:05:22
with those sort of growling hours for
01:05:23
that long um there's got to be some
01:05:25
secret to the success and uh maybe it's
01:05:27
the hot and cold thing yeah and I do
01:05:29
like looking at Elite performers and
01:05:31
looking at what they're doing and it
01:05:33
sometimes it's Sports people sometimes
01:05:35
it's the UFC which is a real great
01:05:39
playground for people to be in that
01:05:40
sympathetical stress state so I love
01:05:43
like watching and observing those guys I
01:05:44
would never do a UFC fight you don't
01:05:46
have to agree with what they're doing
01:05:47
but in terms of a study around um how
01:05:50
they're executing their skill set and
01:05:51
talents it's the the fighting realm is
01:05:56
yeah fascinating and also you look at
01:05:58
sport the clutch kicks you know or the
01:06:00
clutch throws and high preure situations
01:06:03
have you done much with any of the UFC
01:06:05
guys um who do you know yeah well I have
01:06:08
met israela Dan hooker um uh Shane Young
01:06:13
because they came to a workshop that
01:06:15
wonderful guy Jason suty and I did
01:06:18
together at Jason's gym but um no but I
01:06:22
don't work with them one-on-one they
01:06:24
they are now um doing some great work
01:06:26
with a wonderful guy called Dave Wood
01:06:28
and Woody is an amazing guy really
01:06:30
trying to bring up this um notion that
01:06:34
we can have better influence and control
01:06:36
over our um our situations oh yeah I've
01:06:39
seen what Dave would his his Retreats
01:06:40
look way less fun than yours I don't
01:06:42
imagine he's having red meat and red
01:06:44
wine in the
01:06:45
evening would he he might be having a DB
01:06:48
export or something like that but um no
01:06:50
he's a he's a top guy yeah hey but um
01:06:54
the only when I was coming here I was
01:06:55
thinking Runners podcast Runners podcast
01:06:57
what could I say to help runners or
01:06:58
maybe help them understand what the
01:07:00
process is because so many Runners they
01:07:02
feel great doing it right and that's
01:07:04
what is driving a lot of their uh
01:07:07
Pursuit into running is the feeling they
01:07:10
get from it right Dom you feel that AB
01:07:12
absolutely even on days you I I don't
01:07:15
feel great every day but even on days
01:07:16
where I don't feel great and I'm not
01:07:17
enjoying it I I always feel good
01:07:19
afterwards feel amazing I never get home
01:07:21
from a run and regret going on a run so
01:07:24
what about if I try and educate people
01:07:26
there will be a couple of big words on
01:07:28
why that's happening so I think that's
01:07:30
the key if people understand the why
01:07:32
maybe they can um then program
01:07:35
accordingly so when we run so we've got
01:07:39
amino acids in our body amino acids they
01:07:42
aid in the repair of muscle tissue but
01:07:44
we've also got a substance called
01:07:46
tryptophan tryptophan is a precursor for
01:07:49
something called serotonin serotonin is
01:07:51
what makes us feel great yeah tryptophan
01:07:55
and amino acids travel on the same
01:07:57
Pathway to the brain amino acids Will
01:08:00
trump tryptophan all the time so that
01:08:02
means that amino acids are going up to
01:08:04
the brain and trypt tryptophan cannot
01:08:07
get on that track to get to the brain to
01:08:08
release serotonin to make you feel good
01:08:11
unless you exercise when you run your
01:08:14
muscles are now needing amino acids so
01:08:17
they come down which frees up the track
01:08:20
for the tryptophan to go to the brain
01:08:22
and release ser at Onin so that's why a
01:08:25
lot of people genuinely feel happy and
01:08:28
high and they feel great when they go
01:08:30
for a run so I think if people
01:08:32
understand the physiology around how
01:08:33
exercise can influence our mental health
01:08:36
then that might be a reason for people
01:08:37
to hey let's give this a go yeah I love
01:08:40
that hey thanks for coming over today
01:08:43
thanks and for being so uh generous with
01:08:45
your time my God the big words that you
01:08:48
use um and they just like roll off your
01:08:50
tongue um it's phenomenal you're so well
01:08:53
educated um how are your books full or
01:08:56
can you like consult new people if
01:08:58
someone if someone has heard this
01:09:00
podcast and they want to get a hold of
01:09:01
you what's the best way to go about that
01:09:03
yeah so I work with people in different
01:09:04
ways um my clinic is generally booked up
01:09:07
about a month or so in advance but but
01:09:10
that's okay you just wait for that time
01:09:12
and um so you can book online just Nigel
01:09:15
beach.com very old website doesn't
01:09:17
really say what I do nowadays but that's
01:09:19
all right too busy helping people to fix
01:09:22
that just yet but they can book on
01:09:23
online for a consult either in person or
01:09:25
over Zoom but what I also do I do 12E
01:09:28
programs with people via my app so I
01:09:31
don't actually need to see someone in
01:09:33
clinic and um that's another option and
01:09:36
then the I guess another way of working
01:09:38
with me is I work in the corporate space
01:09:40
a lot so you know some people if they've
01:09:42
heard this they might have a chat to
01:09:44
their HR manager and say hey let's get
01:09:46
this guy in to talk about some real
01:09:48
tangible ways we can influence our
01:09:49
mental Fitness or health and that's
01:09:52
another way and then finally I do run
01:09:54
those performance intensives down in
01:09:55
Mount mongui it's generally word of
01:09:57
mouth but I am going to start to open
01:09:59
those up to to people now yeah I mean it
01:10:02
was it was great as I've said it was an
01:10:03
invaluable experience and I I would I
01:10:05
would love to go back for another one
01:10:06
because it was fantastic it was really
01:10:08
cool I got so much out of it there
01:10:10
things I do now and I I think of you
01:10:12
like if I'm if I'm waiting in line at a
01:10:13
coffee store I'll look down at my feet
01:10:16
and make sure my feet are both quite
01:10:18
close to each other like a fist apart
01:10:20
facing forward that's it and that's the
01:10:22
correct way to standard activate your
01:10:23
butt muscles just little little things
01:10:25
like that and I'll I'll catch myself
01:10:28
doing it I'll go oh that's something I
01:10:29
got from Nigel yeah cool that's great
01:10:31
would great we would love to see you
01:10:33
again the kids would totally love to see
01:10:34
you again I don't know if I can afford
01:10:36
all the fines from your daughter and Nel
01:10:39
Beach you're a good man thank you very
01:10:41
much for coming on the podcast I
01:10:42
appreciate you thanks for having me
01:10:43
thanks for listening
01:10:44
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01:10:52
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