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What really matters, what really matters
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is first of all
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the environment you came from. Yeah.
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If you came from a loving
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supportive environment, you're much less
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likely to re-offend than if you
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re-offend than if you came from a
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dysfunctional
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uh violent or um
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uh uh
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chaotic environment as a child.
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Secondly,
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when you're in prison,
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if you've got strong support
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from your family, that same family which
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which which supported you when you were
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young, even though you may have
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deviated and and and broken the law and
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gone to jail as I did.
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If you've got strong family support when
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you're in jail,
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that's a big help. That's a big help.
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Mhm. Um
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and when I was in prison,
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I was in prison at a time when there
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were lots and lots of middle-class drug
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offenders like me
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who
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came from good environments, who broke
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the law. Well, we all had good backup.
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You know, I mean, I had my family
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backing me up. I had my dad and my mum
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visiting me regularly.
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Um I had my brothers and sisters
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visiting me. I had my friends visiting.
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And I had them doing stuff for me,
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running in errands for me, helping me
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with my when I was doing studies. Mum
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typed out my my MA, you know, I had all
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that kind of support. And then, the
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third thing is support when you get out.
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>> Mhm.
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You've got to have those same people who
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visiting you when you're
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when you're in jail,
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they're standing for you and helping you
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when you get out. Mhm. And I was really
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lucky in that respect. And also, it
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wasn't just my family. You see, I had
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Bill Hodge
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and Professor Bill Hodge and Professor
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Bernard Brown
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both in the law faculty at court at
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Auckland University who
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backed me
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when I got out, you know? So, I had
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really strong support when I got out and
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that some research that was done by
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Jared Gilbert
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and Bean Ellie and and and me.
