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hang out there perfect my home brew and
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um decide you know decide on my next
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move from
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there but it was then I sort of looked
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at you know and and social media is is
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one of the good things about it is is
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it's an opportunity for me to see what
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people think of the shows and stuff and
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people can't wait for the next series
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when's your next stuff coming out and I
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realized how much people you after 20
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years people have grown up watching the
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show and I was like it's not right for
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me to just go okay well that was great
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and let it kind of f away you feel like
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you owe it to the fans I do and I ow it
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owe it um and I wanted to do a season
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where um I wasn't going into the season
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going man I have to make this work to
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make it right so I can keep my sponsors
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so the TV network stays interested I've
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come into this filming this season with
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going I don't I nothing left to prove
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I'm just going to have a real good time
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shooting this last season so I did it
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for myself as well um and then last week
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just putting a post on social media
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saying well okay we're we're repping up
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the TV show number of people say I'm
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crying I don't know how to break it to
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my kids it's like hang on I'm not died
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you know I'm still going to be releasing
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content it's just not going to be on
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it's not going to be on tell so yeah it
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is a um a surreal thing in that but I I
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certainly don't see the um AIT s or or
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the it doesn't feel like an ending okay
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well no end of an error in a way but um
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but I I feel like you're you're probably
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getting out and ch at a good time cuz um
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I think that the medium of TV free to
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Air TV especially is dying and now
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there's a way you can do the content
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release it on your own sort of um
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digital platform and uh it can still
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reach the people even greater audience
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yeah so I um we started a um television
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production company me and my mate Kizer
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22 years ago and we um I I liked madfish
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TV and kieren liked tight lines
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television and we so so to sort it out
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we wrote the names on a Bits of Paper
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and we pulled it out and our company
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became tit lines television um which I
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ended up Kieran uh after a few years
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went on find another career path and I
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stuck with tit lines television eight
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years ago I looked at that name and had
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the word television in it and I went to
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the company's office and I changed it to
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tit lines media cuz I could see eight
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years ago the writing was on the wall
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for for TV and that's when we started
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ultimate fishing TV which is our own
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platform where we could post our content
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straight to the audience but when you've
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got TV contracts they get rights to
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everything first and we couldn't release
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any of that content so TV was still
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getting our all of our energy and all of
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our our best content but that platform
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was slowly chipping away in the
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background and then if I got time I'd go
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and I'd shoot something specifically for
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our online for our social media and um
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it just grew and grew and it's still
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growing by 4,000 followers or
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subscribers a week W what's your what's
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your YouTube numbers um YouTube is not
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great about 200,000 I think okay well
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I'm sitting here with I just clicked
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over 3,000 this week
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so to me that sounds great yeah yeah um
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we are go like I mean I I still like
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we're mid- production on this last TV
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series and honestly all my energy is
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going into that to try and make it the
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best TV series I've ever made and after
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two decades of doing this you deserved
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this um freedom and flexibility to do
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things on your own terms but let's go
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the way back cuz it's such a fascinating
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story The Matt Watson Story So you
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you're sort of raised in like a fishing
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environment family of commercial fishes
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so that's what you always sort of wanted
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to do yeah and then you have like a fist
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fight at a Christmas Day cricket match
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yeah um well my fist didn't really get
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used cuz I got knocked out pretty quick
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so so how old are you at the time I was
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17 17 and and so your uncle gave you a
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hiding or something oh hit me with a
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cricket
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B like like accidentally or um you with
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so yeah let me establish let me
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establish this a little bit we're
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painting a very interesting picture of
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the Watson family as a broader group
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yeah so um we're a very competitive
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family big family God and we've got this
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uncanny thing where we've got an even
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split of left and right handers amongst
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the blogs so on Christmas day that's how
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the teams would be divided lefties
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versus righties and uh we'd do
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volleyball um touch rugby and backyard
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cricket and um we the righties we've
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done pretty well in the touch rugby
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which ended up being more like a game of
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League by the end of it um we lost the
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volleyball and it came down to the
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backyard cricket and it came down to the
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last ball and like you know you imagine
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hot summers's day everyone's had a few
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TS on Christmas day and it was me
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bowling to my uncle in and he owns the
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you know he owned the commercial fishing
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boats I'd been I'd worked all my school
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holidays and and weekends for him since
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I was 14 and I built up enough SE hours
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to get my Skippers ticket so my plan was
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you know basically come straight out of
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school and go and work full-time for my
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uncle you know running one of his boats
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um I had told Mom I was going to go to
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UNI she wanted me to be the only male in
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my family not to be a commercial
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fisherman um I think she you I think she
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wanted me to be a lawyer or a doctor or
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something and pinned all her hopes on me
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cuz my brother was a dropkick so sorry
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Benny was a joke um and um so yeah so I
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I remember feeling so happy that running
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into That Christmas Feeling my last exam
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is behind me I'm never going to open
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another book in my life I'm just you
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know my life's going to be out in the
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ocean catching fish and um so but it all
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come undone with one bowl of a cricket
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ball so I knew my uncle in couldn't play
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a fast straight Yorker um for those that
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don't know the Yorkers a high speeed
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delivery aimed at the toes and he was
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hopeless if you pitched it up fast so I
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come in all the way back to the closes
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line and coming off the long run up and
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I ripped it in as hard as I could maybe
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cuz I had a few beers that came out the
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hand wrong and it was a beamer a full
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toss that just got them B right in the
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middle of the head like SCA them and cuz
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it was the last ball and we'd already
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had a big argument about no balls in
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backyard cricket and the Bloody lefties
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had said no there's no no balls in
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backyard Cricket so we win right and so
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I'm high-fiving my cousins and
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everything I see can see my uncle
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running at me with the bat like holding
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it up like he was going to hit me I
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thought n he won't hit me but he did he
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did scum me with a cricket bat um that's
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like over the arm over the body well I
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got my arm up and it kind of glanced off
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my shoulder which was a good thing and
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it got me in the jaw and anyone that's
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being whacked good in the jaw knows and
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I thought [Â __Â ] I can feel my legs going
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here like and then next thing I oh hell
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are falling over my legs are gone and
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then next thing I I notic is my dad um
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who is also a lefty um but you see at
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the moment my uncle hit me with a
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cricket bat the teams kind of split we
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went back to tribal family
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routes and right out left and right is
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out now it was it's War yeah so the old
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man come and punch blood uncle in the
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face I was just like oh my God it's an
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all in Brawl it was yeah yeah yeah
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Auntie Glenn has had the hose out hos
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trying to
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hose yeah it was a horrendous scene for
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a Christmas day you know family
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gatherings you know and um yeah I saw my
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commercial fishing career disappear as
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my uncle did a burnout off up the road
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in his Ute he last parting shot he threw
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a coffee cup at my Ute on the way past
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and I thought oh man guess I'm not going
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to be a fisherman but um I had another
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Uncle um or my auntie Glenn's boyfriend
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at the time was uh a roofer and he said
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oh you want to come work for me and I
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said yes sweet I didn't even know what
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he did it was the same day the same day
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same one door closes another door open
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and that's how I became a roofer I so so
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I cuz I've heard this story before the
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unclean one how does he how's the
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relationship now how does he feel about
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you telling the Y does he love it or
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embarassed yeah I'm I don't know we've
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never really spoken about it um I in a
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lot of ways I've I mean because it's
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such a good story right and a lot of way
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and a lot of ways I feel bad about it
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because he's a good guy right he's great
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guy and like he was my hero growing up
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you know he was the greatest mullet
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fisherman in Waymouth he's done
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incredibly well for himself but uh I
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don't what it was it was if you get hit
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with hit with the ball like you're
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you're in a rage and he probably
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immediately regretted it oh yeah oh
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absolutely absolutely but you know we're
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from that area guys don't talk about
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that sort of [Â __Â ] we just um you know
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see each other next Christmas the very
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the very next time I saw him was the
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very next Christmas Day we downgraded to
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a tennis ball for saf no no we see my
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mom banned banned all sports all sports
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were banned for about 4 years and then
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when it finally came back and it was
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actually um back at um
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Uncle Steven AE Glenn's place again um
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we we said come on let look we're not
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going to get into a punch up again let
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us play backyard cricket and we'd been
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going about five minutes and I jokingly
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just gestured to throw the ball at my
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Uncle Ann and my mom pulled the stumps
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out of the ground we got another two we
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got we got another
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band so yeah I mean yeah I mean it
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wasn't on but you know I I do in a lot
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of ways feel bad cuz he's not a a a
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violent man or or anything like that it
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was um you know it was a and and I don't
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bear any any ill will you know like at
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all that's a great story you're painting
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a picture of your family is is it a
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Bogan family um no South I don't know I
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mean because it's my family you you're
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and it you're just they're your family
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right yeah
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um um I mean we we' from all of us from
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South Oakland so Way by way I I don't
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mean Bogan is a derogatory oh no I I
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would just um say
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kiwi working class hardworking um family
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like and everyone in my family's done
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done really well through hard work um
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you know so I I always had that as not
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just with my mom and dad but you know
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aunties and uncles I I just great role
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models for people that just got up every
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day and worked hard you had a party hard
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yeah work
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yeah and and it was the it was the
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mentor then like literally I think it
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was my generation that started saying
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that but it was our parents that we saw
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doing that you know they just going to
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work and working hard never complaining
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about it um and then and maybe maybe to
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be fair probably playing you know in in
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the light of 2023 probably playing a bit
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too hard that was like the the the peak
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of kiwi Bing drinking culture era I feel
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anyway yeah you and I are about the same
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age and definitely that generation where
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you know eating is
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cheating NOS in the Hydraulics
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man all that yeah yeah yeah um yeah it's
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great there's another another term which
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um sounds derogatory almost like the
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word Bogen kiwi betler I feel like you
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like a kiwi kiwi betler sounds like
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someone that's um has nothing but bad
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luck after bad luck but I I sort of
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frame it as differently someone that's
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just grinds and works [Â __Â ] hard and
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get what they're after I that's a
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wonderful compliment like I don't I
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don't see derogatory at all I um I um
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see someone that works hard um whatever
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their
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circumstance um whether they manage to
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get ahead or not hopefully they do um
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kiwi B I just see that as a really kind
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thing to say about somebody oh well
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that's cool you're you're like you're a
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guy and we'll get into the whole at
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whatson story but you've um like in
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spite of every obstacle that's that's
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coming your way like you you know you've
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defied the odds and you've made your own
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luck yeah like in a big way yeah yeah
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yeah I mean I I get told I'm lucky all
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the time and it used to really annoy my
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wife would' go out somewhere and people
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would come up for a for a photo or to
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say good day or whatever and they'd say
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oh man you're so lucky you got the best
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job in the world you're so lucky and
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would be like why don't you tell them
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about you know how much bloody stress
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you're under and all that and I'm like
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no that's that's if if they think that
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I'm out fishing every day and I've got
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the best life and and I do have a good
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life like I'm not complaining about at
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all um that means that I'm I'm
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portraying that dream you know and and
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of there're watching that man that guy's
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got it easy or got it good well I'm
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doing a good job so I I would you know I
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wouldn't want to break anyone's illusion
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and if I turn around and see them
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actually mate I'm just about going broke
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I don't know where I'm going to find the
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money for the next series you know all
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of this sort of stuff um you know that
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would kind of ruin that yeah cuz you're
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sort of like an unlikely TV star and
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that TV's always been one of these um
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Industries where there's there's someone
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sitting at the top that either gives you
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a tech or a cross and deci ID if you're
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going to be on the TV or not going to be
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on the TV and you've just sort of like
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penetrated your way through in spite of
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that gatekeeper and it's remarkable mate
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yeah and I've buttered heads with a few
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Gatekeepers and and there is no way
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around them like if they decide that and
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that's why I've had to switch networks
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like we and sometimes it felt like the
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higher the show rated when when we were
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just winning like all genres like head
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to-head with everyone we were just
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rating the pants off of things a lot of
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the people that were working at the TV
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networks were people that had their own
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ideas and dreams about TV shows that
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failed and I only found out this in sort
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of retrospect um and I don't know
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whether it was professional jealousy
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they're like who's this guy that was a
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roofer who's never been to Media School
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never done anything who does he think he
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is coming in here and getting ratings
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like that um and the you know I had the
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words quoted to me from a TV exact which
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I thought was absolutely ridiculous you
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know ratings aren't everything man I'm
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kind of like well if we're not rating
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ratings are everything and you're gone
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yeah they live and die by the ratings
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they get every [Â __Â ] day so we had to
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bounce around networks and I was
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constantly trying to convince people
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that it's worthwhile but the main thing
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that allowed us to keep going was that
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they weren't paying us it was no cost so
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it was no cost no risk and our sponsors
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bore that risk we're going to fund the
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series and um I know people think
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they're sponsors but for me like
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honestly
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itm fishing show it's got the name itm
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in it and it would be just the nothing
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if it wasn't wasn't for them and um you
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know I'm just I'm I'm not here on your
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show to try and plug itm but as an
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independent Creator you can plug them
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all the [Â __Â ] you want absolutely and and
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I'm I'm well aware of the situation you
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get like they come on in the early days
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when when you've got nothing they come
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on with good faith and maybe because
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they like you as a person and then 5
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years 10 years 15 years down the track
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it's easy for one of of their
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competitors to come on and try and
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counter offer um when you've already
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established but they your day ones yeah
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exactly and so um not just itm a lot of
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the sponsors that we had at day one um I
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get head up particularly like you know
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fishermen like um fishermen are
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passionate about their gear and
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everything they use and a lot of them
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will look to me and they'll like um and
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I'll get hit up at a boat show or even
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at a a pub or something okay Matt like
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if you weren't um sponsored by staby
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Craft What boat would you actually have
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and you know what what wagon would you
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be toying it with what what tackle would
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you use and I say to them you know what
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before IID even thought of the idea of a
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TV show I had a stab Craft boat I had a
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Toyota I had Shimano tackle I had F I
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had all of those Brands and I paid full
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retail for them and I've still got them
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to this day and yes all the competitors
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have come along some have offered me
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some crazy money um but um I I'm a loyal
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person and um um don't get me wrong if
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the gear was rubbish it would be a
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different story but you know I was I was
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that um Enthusiast wanting to do my
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research and buy the best geare and I
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felt I did and I've stuck with them and
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they've stuck with me and it's and that
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has been a massive part of the success
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of the show um and um loyalty um can be
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hard for some people I think in terms of
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commercial terms when you're being
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offered a lot of money in the long term
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it pays off um because it's not only I
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mean let's say um uh opposition to staby
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craft comes along and they offer me um a
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bunch of money and I go yeah I'll take
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it that's a good bunch of money and one
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day I'm saying I love these staby Craft
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boats next day I'm saying H Hunter yeah
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exactly I'm saying that that doesn't
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just affect um staby craft that affects
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all of my sponsors because they rely on
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um the end user getting my honest
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opinion and all of a sudden they're like
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hang on Matt wen't you saying this maybe
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you're just saying what you're being
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paid to say and I've always prided
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myself on if if one of our sponsors
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bring out a product that I don't think's
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that good I'll try it I'll just say look
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you best not for me to use this on the
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show because I I won't plug it if I
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don't think it's good sometimes I'll
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even go back and and tweak it with my
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recommendations which is incredibly um
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flattering yeah so yeah so um to anyone
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that's doing anything um in any kind of
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business I would say if you're in it
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really in it for the long haul um be
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loyal um you know you might think in the
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short term that Jesus isn't going to pay
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off but but it will m
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okay so let's go back so there's um the
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punch up with Uncle Ian and then another
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Uncle offers you a job as a roofer yeah
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so you become a roofer this is where
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where you have the um the testical
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injury yeah yeah the Epiphany as I call
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so how long had you been Roofing at this
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point um I'd been Roofing at that point
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so this would have been I would have
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been roofing for almost six years five
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or six years and so this is your lot in
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life you think this is well um or did
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you did you still like have um were you
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missing the ocean
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so I I'd become um more of a recre recre
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I mean I always recreationally fish when
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I even when I was doing my commercial
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fishing with the family but once the
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commercial fishing door closed um it
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open up this you know this thing called
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weekends um whereas you know I could
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work all week as a roofer and then on
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the weekend i' hook my boat on um and I
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would tow it and I could go up to hoort
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um up north one weekend to chase Maron
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I'd be down fakat the next weekend
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chasing tuna be great I just going on
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these weekend adventures with my mates
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and I was just like man this is awesome
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um but I and I knew I was going to get
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back to fishing I had to it was in it
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was in me it was in my blood I wanted to
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be a fisherman and my way of being a
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fisherman again was I was going to be
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the hardest roof Ty Tyler ever I was
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going to squirrel all my money away and
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one day I was going to buy a big game
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fishing boite I was going to move to the
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Bay of islands I was going to take
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people out on fishing charters and that
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was my way of getting back to this
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full-time dream of of being on the ocean
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every day um and that was exactly what I
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was doing and then the more successful
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the roofing business got the less
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fishing I was doing cuz I found myself
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you know I got up to 11 staff at one
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stage and I was working
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weekends and I'd worked I know must have
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been close to three months straight it
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was in March anyway and it was a most
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awesome day perfect it was a Sunday
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perfect day for fishing and of course I
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wanted to be out fishing but you know
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Flex flexure construction needed me to
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put more roofs on so and I had the
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contract so I was doing that and I was
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just I was on the roof um only one of my
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workers had turned up because it was a
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Sunday young guys you know and um I was
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thinking about what it would be like to
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be out on the ocean and that's cuz my
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mates had rang me just as just before I
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went up the ladder and said mate it is
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the calest day we've ever seen across
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the Monaco bar you could water ski
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across here and they're saying there's
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guys on the radio hooking up on Marlon
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and I was like man I wish I was out
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there I was just looking around there
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was not a breath of wind and I was
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sitting the roof out and I was walking
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backwards and I was thinking thinking
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about being on the ocean and maybe I
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should have been thinking about where I
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was stepping cuz stepped over the gutter
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one leg either side of the gutter and it
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was a um a sharp midle edge on the
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inside and wearing the old rugby short
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shorts don't afford much
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