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miles Andrew migan welcome to my podcast Dom it's a pleasure thank you for having
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me mate oh thanks for coming on and I've done um so much research and this is
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only the like the second long form podcast about yourself that you've ever done I know yeah it's strange it's cool
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to be uh invited and I'm honored and also a little it's a little terrifying
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talking about yourself when you talk to other people about their lives and what they do and you know and interview
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people and to be interviewed it's like oh I might I feel like I had to do like
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research myself actually you're probably going to bring some stuff on go oh yeah
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I forgot about that that does that does haveen for me I find it's um it's a it's
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a balancing act between um preparing enough and and overpreparing cuz if you're over I don't want to ask you
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questions and I already know the answer and I'm like well that's the wrong
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answer mes you know what I mean yeah I do you still want to have that natural sort level of um curiosity but um this
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is going to be fun I'm really excited I'm excited too thank you you um in in a
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a year or a period that has been like crazy for New Zealand media like you're
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one of the most employed people in the do you feel bad about having all the jobs I do feel a little bit guilty yeah
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uh I'm I'm uh I don't want I don't want to say a Survivor um but I'm lucky
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enough to be in position to do what I do and there are a lot of people out there
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who I would say are a lot better and a lot more talented than me who haven't
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been had the the Run of success lately which is um it is terrible out there it really is my wife runs a small business
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marketing company and there's just so much in retail and that e-commerce space
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it's just we don't you just don't know the half of it sometimes it doesn't even
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make the headlines and people are just they're in a bad way so yeah I'm touchwood lucky enough to do what I do
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I'm very privileged yeah we run through that that list of jobs but um knowing
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you like reasonably well and having work with you in the past I've Got a Theory
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it's it's because you let you do good job when you get the opportunity you do
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do a good job um and also like like you're you're you're nice and you're
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polite and you're reliable and you're easy to work with it goes a long way
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it's not like I don't set out to be like that just I've been brought up very well
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by my mom and my dad so I think that's where it's come from so but you see as
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you know you've seen a lot of people come and go in the industry and you see
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how those people act and you sort of think to you say you need to treat people like that you need to talk about
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people like that um so yeah it's um yeah it goes a long way nice yeah 100% um so
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basketball commentary you've done a ton of that with the breakers yeah uh Rugby
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Commentary as well Super Rugby mainly yeah no I did a little bit of uh last couple of years I've done some NPC um
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that was short last year with the Rugby World Cup CU everybody was involved with
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that so they really PL they really plunged the depths of their Talent poll at Sky to do um commentry and I really
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enjoyed that and I did a little bit this year as well where um managed to squeeze
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it onto the old schedule so I really enjoyed it it was terrifying it was terrifying starting basketball like in
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2009 and eventually you know like anything it's not 10,000 hours but it's
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the same thing you do more and more of it regularly and you get better and better you're never great at it but you
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do well rugby is like there's so many names there's so there's like at least
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30 on the field and there are another 16 waiting to get on yeah The Interchange by the time the bench comes on you've
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just gotten use to the prop the locid prop and what they do and where they're
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from and then suddenly they're off and now you're like far out what's what's
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that guy again and your notes are all yeah yeah something I guess most people wouldn't think about is the level of
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prep that goes into that to knowing the names like I I don't know what your Technique is do you write them out
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phonetically some of them and some of them syllable by syllable yeah you do you have to because then you you need it
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to flow and you practice and you you ask around for the the inflections and the right correct pronunciation and
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sometimes because of the pace of the call and the way you're talking and you're trying to get something out you
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just you stuff it up and you don't mean to it's just unfortunately you don't
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want to be a meme but um sometimes you cook it you absolutely cook it and if if you can acknowledge that you've cooked
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it I think that goes a long way to try to correct it later so yeah yeah the names the names will get you speak of
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memes we will get to that um other jobs you've got the Crowd Goes Wild which has
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been on here for like 18 years and you've been there since day one yeah um Olympic Games coverage how many how many
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games Cycles have you been to how many summer and winter summer I've been to
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one winter and I've been to now uh uh three Summer Games and uh a couple of Commonwealth Games as well so yeah six
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all up this year so cool breakfast radio as well on um the incredible Rock breakfast show how long you been on the
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Rock uh we worked it out all up it's been 10 years on the Rock on the morning
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Rumble uh and there was a Hiatus there where I went to radio sport from about couple two three years I think upon
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memory and then I came back to the rock as well so yeah that was a great that was a great learning curve turn radius
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for yeah was it yeah it was yeah you you you quickly became um from you went from
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one brand which was as you know when you at the edge one of the the stronger Brands morning shows ratings wise
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commercially the company is all four whereas you go to radio sport and it was like the ugly stepchild of ZB like it
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was the Barnacle on The Good Ship hosking you know and um they never really it was in its Heyday it was great
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when it had Devin and it had V it was an absolute um beast because it was nothing
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like it there was no one talking sport like that on on radio there were sport shows yeah I get that but there's
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nothing like develin or vichi in their you know manic ways saying some of the hottest takes that people have ever
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heard back in the late 90s early 2000s yeah sport was funny back then it was um I was reflecting on this the other day
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just with with what you've done in sport and in particular like Crowd Goes Wild
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like sport used to be like a real serious angry sort of thing oh yeah like you know calling for heads for roll the
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board sack the board get rid of them and it's like what's the CEO up to he must
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go she has to go it's like bang you fired I fired you it's in my comment
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section you're all gone yeah we only been Italy by 20 we should be angry yeah
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that was a poor performance I couldn't have done any better but I'm sitting
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here telling you I you should have yeah um yeah what oh the rebels sport voice how long have you been the Rebel Sport
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voice for uh 10 years 13 I think so 2011 I yeah started that yeah yeah that's
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that's that was funny they I had been working at ZM very briefly with Jason Reeves and he and I did like a Saturday
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Morning Breakfast show parttime and somebody at the agency rang ZM looking for me and I hadn't been there for
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probably like 5 years but they must have remembered that I'd done this Saturday
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and then they rang ZM and Clint um Roberts who knows my wife rang Emma and said hey M just so you know someone's
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rung through and they're looking for your husband or your fiance um and uh they want to know something about
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voicing something and that's sort of just how it came it's very New Zealand
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how it came about such a small community after after Clint Roberts tried to suggest himself for the role
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no I'm sure he didn't do that oh now the latest feather in your cap um you're on
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an New Zealand safety video which I I think is sort of like Peak New Zealand it is celebrity in a way it's like I've
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skipped shortland Street I've jumped the que you did do a year on New Zealand's
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Got Talent though with Jas R I did I certainly did it was just one year as well not enough Talent not enough Talent
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no the it was like it wasn't rhetorical um the question it was definitely answerable um yeah the safety video came
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out um in the middle of the year and it was it was top secret you know cuz there
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there there's always a lot of interest within New Zealand just as a company from mainly The Herald and stuff but
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also new zealanders we have so much ownership they're like the All Blacks of
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the commercial World in New Zealand and I was asked and I was my honestly my first reaction was [ __ ] no it's I just
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don't want it to be lame and then they and then I explained the um the premise
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without saying that involved Steven Adams but they were like and it's somebody who's kind of in your field but
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an international sports star I was like well that makes kind of okay and then thankfully it's obviously he's the star
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of it and know stepen a little bit he would never do something that's lame and
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so if he's on board then yeah it's it's awesome it's great yeah what is your
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relationship with Steven Adams like what have you had to do with him um I've had
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professionally a little bit to do whenever he's back um he doesn't do any
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media he's not interested in doing any interviews he doesn't have to do any
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interviews he just wants to come back and hang out with his Foo um hang out on his um big property I think go hunting
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and then run these these amazing camps that um give kids the opportunity to um see Steven Adams and play basketball and
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practice basketball which is which is awesome so from Steven I I did uh like a Foot Locker thing with him when he was
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first drafted and I think edid Des bought him out and Foot Locker bought him out when he was
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after the draft but before the season started and it was a Q&A session and that's where I met him at Queen Street
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Foot Locker and it was like I was so I was frothing so much because I knew how big it was because he was not only was
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he drafted into the NBA but he was like a lottery pick which is a big deal which
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is where the worst teams get the best picks and he was high up the um on the board there and so he was drafted by OKC
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and then since then I've just had little bits and pieces to do with him and every
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time he's always been good and he he remembers Crow goes wild as a kid growing up watching it which is which
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really helps like oh yeah you're the follow from Kos well like Kos well and do press conferences and then he'd see
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the mic Flash and Go K as well here that's cool I was like that's gold for
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us like and for yeah obviously me as the presenter with with Mark Richardson and
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so every every time then he's always been really he's a lovely guy he's
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awesome he was such a pleasure to work with and everyone around him in that safety video and he was there for a lot
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longer than I was cuz they had to do multi-day shoot and it's such a big production but he was awesome with
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everybody how do they get him over the line like he doesn't need a Payday no he
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doesn't and I i' i' I'd speculate that he got quite a lot of conscious cuz he
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goes direct to Houston and he plays for the Rockets So I imagine that there there's a probably probably for tax
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purposes I probably shouldn't have said that oh yeah he's going to be gold Elite
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for Life yeah yeah maybe ring doesn't it yeah oh what about um oh your valer so
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Tom ssb's on the on the the infl thing um so is Valerie she's she's awesome I
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love her I got so much respect for her as an athlete and as a mother coming back and being an athlete and being a
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medalist and I love her because that Olympic stuff's um funny isn't it you
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you you're catching people when they're I suppose they're bewildered and they're
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just in the I've had Finn what on the podcast and he talked about like clambering over fences to try and like
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get to you after winning his his gold Med so you're getting people that are elated maybe surprised that they've won
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gold medals or people that are that are shocked because they like they've underperformed it's the lowest point of
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their life man it's like you've got this moment you're in this mix Zone and
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sometimes Sky pay for it because we've got a lot of great athletes and you pay
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a set fee to the the basically the Broadcasting Service arm of the international Olympic Committee and it
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costs a lot of money and you're at the prime spot and we were like say for the
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rowing in Paris we were right beside the BBC and we had um to Matthew pinent who
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was this legendary British rower and it's like so intimidating he's like
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they' been quiet and respectful as you interview your the the Kiwi Rod but he's
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listening to your questions and I'm not a r expert I've done my research but
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there's no way I'm a own expert and he's listening I'm like [ __ ] please and then
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so and then but then like he would look at me afterwards and he would go just nod I was like oh okay good but then i'
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just ask him I'd say is this a good question how does this work what would you be in that situation which you're
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lucky to rub shoulders in that respect but you've got this tiny moment where
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you see them walking towards you you've got to read their body language you've
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got to understand like the time they wrote or the competition they were up against and how you try and get a read
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on where they're going to be at so you the first question or two is really exploratory where you try and get a
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gauge of how they're feeling right at that moment and you genuinely do mean the best when you go how are you feeling
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and a lot of people I don't ask how they're feeling oh they're pissed off I
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mean they could be I had a terrible experience in London it was poolside and Lauren Bole one of our great swimmers
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she would be I think it was the 800 meters and she finished fourth and she came out of the pool crying and this was
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like it's about to be Peak Katie Lei which is she's just that incredible
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American swimmer who just smashed 1500 meters and 800 meters out um and Lauren was crying I was like oh you must be so
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gutted those those you know those tears you must be so disappointed you got so close she was she was like no I'm so
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happy I just smashed my PB oh [ __ ] misread that one misread that one oh but you're not to know and you've
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only you've got such a short window to get it right like what is it 90 seconds
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60 seconds yeah yeah especially these days when it's like you're basically
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going live um back in London you're basically if you're not live you are
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just feeding it back in most of the times it's not live it is repackaged and
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repurposed for the coverage but yeah it really is you've got to have your wits
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about you it's just it's not that it is terrifying did you did you do um Amy
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Fisher at the the Paris games this year no no I didn't do Amy Fisher no I think
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that might have been cumberly Downs yeah remember about everyone was talking about this mess of Jewel day like Lisa
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Carrington and um Amy Fisher um Lisa won Gold and Amy got fourth I just can't
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imagine like how she felt at the time or how you'd handle that as a a journalist
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terrible situation for all oh it is it is and it's the mark of the joural the
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reporter to ask the right questions and pick up the cues but it's also the quality of the athlete to be able to
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compose themselves and have to encapsulate what just happened in a four-year cycle and she had done so well
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she'd beaten Lisa Carrington a couple of times which very few people have done
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since London even before that Lisa Karen and Dame Lisa is just obviously an absolute weapon a goat in the boat and
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for Amy her basically not to really unfortunately fire a shot and finish the way it did it's just yeah really tough
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it's a tough situation it is compelling TV um unfortunately it is really it's
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really good and it's also really tough at the same time oh it's drama isn't it
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it's got yeah but it's um it's someone's actual life and career and four years of
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their work the and that's why I really had this thing with when I did the rowing and for
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Finn Finn's different because he's just this great kiwi battler who has done so
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well on a sport that was brand new to the Olympics no one had heard anything about it was looking at YouTube and had
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a Slovakian crew beside me explain this is obviously massive like handballs massive in Europe and it's at the
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Olympics and we're like what what is this but rowers rowers are just New Zealand
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is it punches above its weight there's massive Crews massive programs out of
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the UK and for them their four-year cycle has so much expectation and weight put on them just by row New Zealand and
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their friends and family because they all live in Cambridge mostly they'll train there and they suddenly thrust in
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front of like at times there were millions of people watching in New Zealand and they they kind of felt like
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you you they have to explain themselves basically as to why it happened or why it didn't happen and it's there one
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opportunity and that's what I've learned over the years is that you have to
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actually deal with you're conveying their story you're not just trying to
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ask why what went wrong what went wrong you're actually helping them get their
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story across in in a short space a short amount of time yeah CU I suppose if they
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have sports pyes or mindset coaches like one thing they they get taught is not to
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entertain the possibility of losing exactly so it's like they can't a prescripted answer about it about what
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happens when um they shut the beard yeah and when they and when they they do lose
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or didn't hit their expectations you they are quickly processing how it went
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wrong and they yeah you're right that mindset just it hasn't entered the
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equation until right there and then and so yeah it's trying to trying to not to
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be offensive but then also find out what they felt like it didn't work for them
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on the day and it can be anything honestly they might wake up and they have no idea but they've got a stomach
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bug and then we saw that with Mah dryy he rode literally his guts out and um I think it was Beijing and he just you
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know he still did it and we wouldn't know that we didn't know that and it
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might be something that they still haven't disclosed and never will disclose that just they don't want to
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tell anyone they weren't feeling 100% because what how can you not feel 100%
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It's the final you're rowing for gold you're Racing for gold why can't you why
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haven't you not timed that it's incredibly hard to do well I think um this like radio sport when it was an
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nday that you were talking about I think I remember hrish Carter getting in trouble cuz I think it was maybe the
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Sydney games yeah um he underperformed and afterwards he goes oh I just woke up this morning and I just knew it wasn't
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going to be my day and yeah the talk was outraged oh that is a red flag to a bll
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that is that is vintage radio sport you would like you can just see the host gu like this perfect the phone's light up
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like an all blacks L it is the easiest shift you put your feet up answer the call Tony and Timo what do you think
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went wrong a they didn't push in the scrums you see the loose head he was angling in too much and we're getting
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panged he's always been like a piece of chewing gum [ __ ] [ __ ] these stories are
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great you've got so many interesting insights but um yeah we'll we'll R it
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back in we'll go back to the early years of the Andrew Mulligan so you wanted to
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be um you wanted to be a cop originally yeah I thought what age what age are we talking this would be like when I was
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like 11 12 and it was there were cops in the All Blacks like there was Murray Pierce and then there was John Galler um
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and they were cops in Wellington and I thought that was pretty cool um and I actually went on a tour of Wellington
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police station and they both took me around because back then um my dad who was in radio and so was mom um he just
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had a connection and he uh they took me around I remember them fingerprinting me
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but and it was like very cool and then I remember my mom telling me you're not
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going to be a cop because um you've got Asma and you've got a lady I that had to
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be corrected when I was 2 years old and I was like oh okay all right fair enough
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then so that's where that came from yeah so it was it was a very young age but
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you you never like to me it seems like you never had a chance it was always going to be media so your mom radio
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Legion Jenny um retired last year after 52 years yeah and R what was she in sales no she was in sales yeah she
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started out in denen as a technician so she was there I think she started when she was 17 18 and nzbc as it was back
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then um and that was in denen and then met dad and they moved to Wellington and uh she's they started a family my sister
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and I and then Dad kept going and then she went away from radio for a while and sold microwaves in a store called
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microwave specialist so there's no LOL leming or um you know Heath coats or anywhere that specialist microwave
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stores that's all they sold that's all they sold all of them JVC sharp Panasonic all the Big Brand National
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where the national National the genius it was the national genius like I think they still made the genius actually
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Panasonic that's where National went so like but then she'll do cooking classes
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and make like show people how to make ginger crunch in the microwave and how you it's so versatile and stuff and
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there would be people who would stop her on the street in Wellington and say oh you sold me a microwave I literally
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think she sold a microwave to half of Wellington she was world famous in in Wellington for selling microwaves and
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then she went back to sales and briefly at Mor FM uh before it was it was at media works it was an independent and
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then she'd been at nzme for very long time and they were great to her yeah and
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Wellington and you guys you guys both won Radio awards last year yeah we did yeah that is is that the first time
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that's ever might might yeah that's got be that's that's really special it's really
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cool she got services to broadcast I think it was services to broadcas and there's one there the big one that might
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Regal got and then there was services but she was recognized for her um tenure and the great people at Enz me
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Wellington put that together her boss and friend former boss and friend uh van and her team did a great job nominating
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her and yeah it was very cool it was like her first R Awards I think ever maybe in a very long time that she' been
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to and they FW her up and stuff that was very cool that's so special and what are
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your early memories of your dad's career see he he was doing like basketball
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commentary and stuff n zbca yes he was yeah so he'll do Saints games Wellington
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Saints games and that was their Heyday that was where ex cheer Saints yeah the ex cheer saints that was when they had
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Kenny mcfaden and Carrie Bo Agy and they were um honestly they'd be like in the
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show buildings there in New Town that' have two two and a half thousand people
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and it was loud and it was bright and it was colorful and it was just exciting and it was very different to going to
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like Athletic Park and watching Wellington Lions play and the N National Provincial Championship it was just it
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just caught my imagination and I he would take me and ID just roam around walk around as the ' 8S you could do
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anything you know and that was so cool how and Terry Orchard called the games um I actually heard Terry Orchard on the
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radio the other day or way we while ago earli this year and I was like oh my God
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Terry Orchard what a blast from the past I was talking to um Jason Pine on ZB and
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it was cool it was great um so yeah that's where but he would also bring home because no one really wanted to
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read it the sports illustrator would be air mailed to his office and no one wanted to read it and I was like cuz
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back then there were two newspapers there was the Dominion in the Evening Post in Wellington and you know that's
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where you got your information from but this American color magazine of all these these amazing photographs and
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these great articles and that really got my love of basketball and just cemented
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it and they had all these Nike ads in it and there was Michael Jordan you know and it was he was on the cover like
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every three issues it was like a cover with Michael Jordan on it you learn about Muhammad Ali and all the stuff
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written about these amazing athletes that just you there was nothing you couldn't you couldn't watch these
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athletes you couldn't hear anything about these athletes back then in New Zealand when was that like early 90s
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late 80s it was start very late 80s probably like 9090 19991 onwards yeah it was just yeah it was great yeah yeah
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pre- internet kids can't remember what it's like America may as well have been
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the moon at that point like the only thing that people remembered about America was with their grandparents
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telling them how much the Yanks annoyed them when they came here cuz they touched up their
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Grandma CU they went on dates to the War World War II yeah so is that where the love of basketball came from yeah yeah
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definitely yeah it was and then like slowly there was NBA programming on TV and Zed and then I think when TV3
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launched they they had some TV they had NBA action as well and they presented show games and there were highlights
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late at night they get the VCR and try and work out how to set the timer um and then obviously it just became easier and
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easier to watch games as the internet slowly progressed through our society [ __ ] those timers on VHS were so hard to
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figure out complicated even with the G-Code one which was supposed to make it easy with the pen and the barcode that
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was impossible as well remember the G-Code gcode was supposed to be revolutionary it was like binary numbers
00:25:02
yeah um yes so your dad um passed away 8 years ago yes yeah yeah what was that that was um that was yeah that was that
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was really it wasn't a shock to me was he unwell was it an ill or he wasn't
00:25:16
unwell he he basically had a a massive cardiac event um on the way to a rugby game um and he was in the he was in the
00:25:23
car with our neighbor well my their neighbor and their kids and it was really un fortunate cuz he had this
00:25:29
heart attack and the drive down um and our neighbor Andrew um had to pull him out of the car and perform CPR and do
00:25:37
the and there were bystandard excuse me bystanders you know trying to help thankfully um Wellington free ambulance
00:25:45
turned up and they took him to the hospital and it was yeah was well it was too late basically it was just a one of
00:25:52
those big events and he was on the the life support for a few days and that was a tough de for Mom and US my sister and
00:26:00
Ida so they were like no he's lost too much um oxygen to the brain so he's not
00:26:06
going to um he's not going to come back sorry so we had to yeah flick the switch
00:26:10
unfortunately yeah how old was he yeah her dad was about to turn 73 so he was 72 so it was 2017 he was born in 44 yeah
00:26:20
so he's 72 [ __ ] young yeah he' already had like about 5 years earlier had a winner for stance
00:26:28
and then they opened him up and had a quadruple bypass instead of getting the stance put in his heart so yeah he was
00:26:36
yeah he was on the yeah on the way basically unfortunately he he tried to make it uh a few health corrections but
00:26:47
it didn't quite work too like too little too late I think so yeah prob was he a
00:26:52
smoker or no I wasn't a well I wasn't a smoker um just just a New Zealand male
00:26:58
that wasn't would try if things got bad would go to the doctor eventually but it
00:27:05
was stubborn in the terms of like not really listening um to his family telling him to Make a Better Health
00:27:11
choices and would do better health choices but then would revert back to type unfortunately so yeah I always say
00:27:19
it's a great reminder for me and teaches me to be more open about your house
00:27:23
struggles and make changes and be responsible because you never know when going to happen and get your blood
00:27:29
pressure checked regularly when you're at a certain age and yeah do all the screenings that you're supposed to do
00:27:35
and check in with your GP and yeah make sure that you're basically on the right
00:27:39
path you never know when it's going to strike you down yeah how how was that for you it
00:27:44
was it was tough man it was yeah it was tough it was tough for mom because she was just in the alone in Wellington yeah
00:27:51
yeah so she's she still lives in our house and it's taken mom a long a long
00:27:55
time to deal with it her work was great uh my sister and her partner Ryan are great they do you know had to pick up
00:28:02
the pieces after the normal bement and the funeral and all that um took place um I was actually in denan at a at a All
00:28:11
Blacks game and I got the call from my sister and she said Dad's dad's had a a
00:28:17
big heart attack and I don't think it's I don't think it's good and so I had to
00:28:20
leave the All Blacks test match because I was doing the in-game fronting I had to tell people from New Zealand Rugby
00:28:27
and that were great that was oh yeah you have to go so had to get a flight from denan luckily before the game started
00:28:33
the last flight out of denan going to Wellington and um got there and then went and saw him and yeah the the people
00:28:40
are nice to you there in val Hospital were great but you just see them the the the breathing being done for him it's
00:28:48
just yeah I don't wish that on anyone and unfortunately a lot of people do have that in their lives and it's yeah
00:28:55
it's really tough yeah so you yes so you didn't get to have like a final like
00:28:59
profound or poyant conversation can you remember what your last chat was was it just some main text exchange what was
00:29:06
your relationship like yeah it was good like it was it was really good sports chat or yeah Sports Chat I remember the
00:29:12
Lions tour was there that year and then in Wellington the second test it was terrible
00:29:20
weather and I checked in with um the people at New Zeal rugby and I said oh you because it was aines it was
00:29:27
something there was something different about the postmatch and they were like we don't need you for the post game and
00:29:34
I was like that's pretty shitty weather I might just go home and watch the second half up at home with Dad and I
00:29:39
was glad I did because I think that was pretty much the last time I saw him and that would have been July and when he
00:29:45
passed away it was late August and so wow yeah yeah so that was that was pretty I got goosebumps yeah that was um
00:29:53
I don't really remember my the last last thing so you really got to take a moment
00:29:58
moment and go when those moments are you always got to check them with Mom and make sure that they're okay and
00:30:04
reconnect as much as he can cuz you never know yeah yeah and that's the um like the downside or the flip side of
00:30:09
like great love isn't it it's great loss and um yeah like I'm I'm 51 my old man's
00:30:14
still alive he's in Wellington but he's in his late 70s and realistically like I
00:30:18
probably see him like once or twice a year for a couple of hours at a time and I saw something on Instagram it was like
00:30:23
if you work out like how many years they've got left and how many more visits you going to have and how many
00:30:27
more hours it's actually yeah you know maybe you put more care and attention
00:30:32
into these visits I know and that's the thing mom comes up all the time which is
00:30:36
really good because she loves seeing the um our two boys and she's helped us out
00:30:40
over the last year as well and we haven't been down enough but we're going
00:30:46
down for Christmas which is great so we're really looking forward to that but
00:30:49
yeah when you start look adding it up and know and looking at that you go oh [ __ ] yeah that's not much it's not a lot
00:30:57
of time yeah how's how's she doing you must feel whenever you think about your
00:31:01
mom like yeah do you feel like guilty that you're not there or yeah oh 100% yeah and and she's I mean she's she's
00:31:08
amazing she's an amazing woman um she's great with the kids she's so helpful
00:31:14
she's like you know old she's but she's not she's not she's very young for her
00:31:20
age she still does yoga she still goes swimming she still does walks she still remains very active um and she still
00:31:28
social as well and I think that those are the keys to old age that that she really sets a great example she loved
00:31:35
working like she loved being in this industry there's a lot of young people and the young people still check in with
00:31:41
her even though she's retired she still catches up with them and we I say young
00:31:45
they're like in their 30s and 40s but for them to still want to you know connect is that speaks volume it speak
00:31:52
it does speak volumes and so that really it's so important when you're in your
00:31:55
old age is to still be active in a in a contributing member of society basically
00:32:01
and still being a part of it rather than just regressing and just clock watching
00:32:05
which is probably some people I think do yeah yeah but it takes it takes effort to do that though way be easy for your
00:32:11
mom just to like lock herself up and sort of mop around a bit but it takes a real effort to do the alternative um you
00:32:18
yeah you spoke about your dad um I don't know when it was but there's an article
00:32:22
online about you speaking about him um on the Rock we'll get into this but you
00:32:26
guys have done um a tremendous amount of work in the mental health space particular for you know for I am hope
00:32:31
and gumo Friday it's it's phenomenal that you can do the top five fart jokes
00:32:36
that's the thing I heard I heard yesterday and then raise like quarter of a million or half a million for I am
00:32:41
hope and you talked about um losing your dad and the mental health realizations that you got yeah from that like what
00:32:48
were they how was yeah what sort of impact did that have on your mental health um yeah I like I said it was just
00:32:55
sort of I felt like a dad won't be here for a long time after the the stin was supposed to go in and
00:33:04
became a quadruple bypass and so I think I just repressed it but I felt like get
00:33:11
used to that phone call so when that phone call came from my sister I knew I was like ah yep that's the one that's
00:33:17
the that's the phone call so and I think that actually helped my grieving cuz I'd
00:33:22
already locked away that that was going to be a thing which was really which which is I don't know that's probably
00:33:28
not what therapists say that that you should do but it's what I did and so I've I've dealt with it that way but in
00:33:35
terms of like being able to speak about on the radio just there's so many people
00:33:39
who have been in those situations that touch that reach out and touch you in a way where you're
00:33:45
privileged to be in a radio situation where you'll get these messages it might
00:33:49
not be on the text machine or on air but it's through other avenues DMS whatever
00:33:54
which has been really it's really cool we're very lucky at um The Rock because
00:33:59
they appreciate the fart jokes but then they amazing as a listenership they gather around each other and they they
00:34:05
help causes and I think over the years they've actually morning Rumble and it's
00:34:09
driven by Bryce case who's just who's done a phenomenal job of just unfortunately having the tragedy and his
00:34:16
within his family and his friends that he's seen it way too many times um certainly more than I have and he's used
00:34:23
that to raise and I think it's up to 1.3 million over the years as the show with
00:34:29
gumber Fridays raised that amount of money which is which is crazy which is all on the listener which is cool it's
00:34:36
in yeah it's incredible and it's incredible that you guys have got that relationship with the audience where
00:34:40
they allow you to do both yeah yeah exactly it' be very very um exhausting probably a shortlived career like from
00:34:47
your own making if it was just fat jokes yeah it would be you want a bit more substance um yeah how's your mental
00:34:53
health been it's been good yeah it's been it's been challenging and that was
00:34:58
pretty challenging for everyone um and then the last few years for media has been really challenging um obviously uh
00:35:07
but my mental health is is really good it's been it's been hard for um my wife
00:35:13
this year she's had some health challenges herself they found a a tear in her brain and I think a lot of people
00:35:20
have it the walking around um but she went in for during Co and it would might have been one of the the delta the
00:35:27
Omicron ways but she tested positive for Co and then she like one night in the middle of the night she collapsed in the
00:35:35
in the bathroom and I rang house line they were great and I told them what had happened that she'd collapsed and they
00:35:42
were like we're going to bring we've already rung an ambulance they'll be one
00:35:45
there in 5 minutes and this is like 3:30 in the morning and I was like what the she's not that bad and what had happened
00:35:53
is that she' basically had these headaches which we thought was Co but I was actually a brain tear and so
00:36:01
they did a CT scan and weirdly they were like where have you been Have You Been overseas it was when you could travel
00:36:07
but you couldn't really travel and said they and they said you've got the
00:36:11
original Co these symptoms are the original Co we can't we're not going to
00:36:14
do it doesn't matter we're not going to do the Bloods or whatever to really find
00:36:17
out what it is but you've got the original Co it's like wow the OG Co not
00:36:22
great but respect not the omy or not the Delta and there was a time when it was flu was getting everybody and they said
00:36:29
just please as an aside get the flu jff because there's not many covid cases in
00:36:35
here there's all the flu cuz it's just obviously we' done the iso and then flu
00:36:39
came back and when we let people back in the country and it just got people but they did the CT Scan they found a small
00:36:46
tear and um a close a friend of hers you know there's a beautiful mural of you
00:36:52
know by the morning side rail Crossing there as you go to um towards like Brisco and rebel swort on the right and
00:37:00
there's Morningside T in Orland and there's a beautiful Muro of Eno and Eno
00:37:04
is a wonderful beautiful um man and has a great was a great artist and he just dropped dead one day on the four Court
00:37:12
of a service station with the brain aneurysm and that was it and it was like she was just like oh my God this could
00:37:19
happen to me so they did a CT scan they said come back in 12 months and we'll
00:37:22
see if it's grown we'll do an MRI they did an MRI and they said look it's it
00:37:27
has grown going um it's not at a rapid rate thankfully but we need to put a stin in your in your in your head um and
00:37:34
then so that was booked in and that happened um earlier this year and she had this stin put in and didn't really
00:37:40
tell anyone and they go through the cored artery and that basically through the thigh and up up up into the head um
00:37:47
and I put they put that in and that was few months of just horrific pain horrific headaches as the brain adjusted
00:37:55
to this foreign object and event the the brain grows around and over it I think I'm no brain doctor it's not rocket it's
00:38:04
not rocket surgery but they um it managed to it's yeah she's on a bit of a
00:38:09
journey herself with this but we're thankful that it was found through Co like Co saved her we wouldn't have found
00:38:15
it we wouldn't have known wow unless the headaches were persistent and we eventually she eventually went and got
00:38:22
help and sorted it out but yeah but with with Eno was just he had the headaches and unfortunately they couldn't get to
00:38:30
him in time [ __ ] tough period for you so mental mental health has been a challenge this year trying to juggle it
00:38:37
was it was really tough when seeing how incapacitated she was trying to work through these these hours that I do and
00:38:45
that meant back to my mom she came up was amazing and then trying to raise two kids you know a 4-year-old and a
00:38:53
10-year-old um now they were great kids they were they were awesome but then just trying to yeah she's trying to run
00:39:01
her business and her business partner Lex is great too and then people who work are great but then trying to make
00:39:08
sure that life continues but also having to deal with that as well was yeah really really hard yeah and put on a
00:39:15
brave face for um your boys yeah you know coer and Miller as well [ __ ] it's a
00:39:19
lot are you are you um thanks for being so open today are you generally quite good at like having open and you know
00:39:26
vulnerable conversations with people people yeah I think so I think I've learned to be that way especially
00:39:30
working at the Rock because we we do it uh on a semi-regular basis um but you just you learn to be more transparent
00:39:39
because a problem shared is a problem halfed and we've got a really good environment on our show off air as much
00:39:47
as we do on air um about it as well and I just think yeah I've got really good
00:39:52
mates who I can talk to and they they know Emma very well and it's been it's
00:39:57
been really good yeah it's it's certainly not easy you don't know how to
00:40:01
start that conversation you don't know go you know what my mental health is not
00:40:05
good you don't expect somebody to say that yeah and as soon as they do you want you feel you want to drop
00:40:10
everything and really go deep you don't have to but then you know if somebody is
00:40:17
in a way then you just start to check in a little bit more regularly and frame conversations a little bit better and
00:40:24
make sure this you are checking in and making sure that there is an open dialogue that's two way that's both ways
00:40:31
yeah I think the the hard thing is um like being um the bigger person and taking the first step and um you know
00:40:38
starting that sort of vulnerability exchange yeah um yeah just but it's it is it is hard it's like like taking that
00:40:45
first step is the hardest one but once you start and it gives the other person permission um you know to share their
00:40:50
stuff as well I don't [ __ ] and I don't do it but I I mean it's I probably
00:40:55
should it's it's Americans do it well they just go to therapy um not allic
00:41:01
you've never been I've never been but I probably think I should I've been twice
00:41:06
and cuz it was like my mental health was but was really taking a hit a couple of
00:41:10
years ago during the co lockdowns and things just were building up and I did a good job of making sure that I was
00:41:19
talking to somebody but sometimes you don't click with your therapist and I found found this this guy and he was
00:41:26
great and we ended up just talking about the black caps and I was like I don't know if I'm
00:41:34
really should have to have to pay to talk about the black CS I we get paid to talk about the black and the black CS
00:41:41
they've they've caused a lot of mental health problems over the years they've
00:41:44
been great they won the test Championship yeah they've been fantastic lately but yeah so I going back I think
00:41:51
if you can and is a is a big cost but if you aren't finding the conversation easy
00:41:57
with your your Foo or your friends there may be someone in the professional side
00:42:02
of it just to have a chat it doesn't have to be I've been diagnosed with this
00:42:08
I need to get on these meds I need to talk to a professional it doesn't have
00:42:11
to be that way yeah yeah I put off going for to therapy for years because I was like oh I don't know it's going to be
00:42:17
weird like talking about the stuff to a stranger and where do you start yeah but
00:42:21
then you go there and you realize other professionals but seems like old black hatat mate maybe maybe he was like just
00:42:26
easing you into a bit too slowly yeah yeah yeah maybe maybe I think we just worked it out and it was it was that
00:42:33
time where everything was happening really quickly in the media space and it was a worry as to whether or not things
00:42:42
were going to happen professionally or not and you just tried to make it work and that stress of trying to make it
00:42:50
work and we had a we had a baby who was a toddler and um my wife it was really tough on her the the second pregnancy
00:42:59
because we'd gone on an IVF journey and thankfully like literally the last shot
00:43:03
of it worked and then it was like he was born September 3rd 2019 and then 6 months later on lockdown and it was
00:43:11
juggling that her juggling a brand new business at the same time she's literally whatsapping her business
00:43:16
partner the night of giving birth and like having to you know keep up um a basically a straight face so yeah she's
00:43:25
an absolute weapon and the and the the the labor in the pregnancy was traumatic because she's a ger she's a geriatric
00:43:33
pregnancy because she's of a certain age so like all these things sounds terrible
00:43:38
by the way it does it does what's a geriatric like mid 30s I think it's 35
00:43:43
and over I think they it's so offensive it is so offensive but hey who we to
00:43:48
question Medical Science but there so it just became um it just sort of mounted and mounted and mounted yeah and then I
00:43:55
just sort of had to say hey no this is a good option here I need to have a conversation and start that spark that
00:44:04
chat are you good at sharing with her or do you do you oh could be better we've
00:44:09
got so much going on with our kids and our lives and our careers that we probably don't and we actually just
00:44:15
enjoy just watching TV together but we we're very good at just um knowing how
00:44:23
it works like we should probably do just coup's therapy and get back into um
00:44:29
reconnecting as a couple because marriage and stress of that and making you know your lives better and your
00:44:35
family happy and stuff like that we're very lucky we got two very good boys so
00:44:38
we' we're lucky but if you have a if there's problems with your child's
00:44:42
learning or they're not socializing at school as much and you're under the pump
00:44:47
professionally and you know you might be made redundant or your job might be I just can't yeah it's just so hard to
00:44:54
have to deal with all these societal pressures that we've had to deal with over the last few years yeah and just
00:44:59
like the just the day-to-day business of adulting like you know having a job paying your mortgage paying the bills
00:45:04
like looking after the kids like the the relationship is generally going to be the thing that suffers the most he CU
00:45:09
that goes on the back burner yeah it does yeah yeah it certainly does because it's like as soon as you get married
00:45:15
you're just on the set path of away you go and it's supposed to be happy family
00:45:19
but it's like a 47 46% divorce rate in New Zealand and it just it just doesn't
00:45:25
happen I mean you know as well like if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen it's
00:45:29
no it's no through any fault of your own or if it's not working it's not working
00:45:35
and so it's probably quite big of you to to say hey let's we've Grown Apart here
00:45:40
where a lot of people don't and it's just toxic households yeah yeah it's
00:45:45
challenging though I it's yeah it's definitely one of the biggest adversities I went through like marriage
00:45:49
breakup along with the fertility stuff as well but um yeah me and JJ are still great friends and we still get on
00:45:55
[ __ ] great and there are times where you think ah did we try hard enough is that the
00:45:59
problem you know you have these yeah but by whose standards you can always have those regrets as well but it's like you
00:46:05
didn't sit out you didn't have bullet well I don't know but you didn't have
00:46:08
bullet points we must we did have bullet points yeah yeah JJ would she would have
00:46:11
had bullet points she would have organized it yeah there was a PDF spreadsheet yeah
00:46:17
yeah yeah yeah no that's great oh thanks for sharing that stuff really appreciate
00:46:21
it um okay let's get back to your early uh media career so um cow TV yeah yeah so this is this was um I found
00:46:30
some clips on YouTube with that are still floating around um this is groundbreaking TV this is sort of like
00:46:35
um I suppose the same s parallel with sort of havoc and news boy well it was around about the same time and havoc and
00:46:41
news boy there that like honestly the in ic TV they were the when we were students and they it was like especially
00:46:49
for me ice TV was just so [ __ ] cool like it was just such different stuff I can't even remember when the slots were
00:46:56
it was like Monday afternoons or Saturday afternoons or something or I they jumped around but havoc and news
00:47:02
boy just had that style of humor which was really really dry for New Zealand at the time so like Fred dag was dry right
00:47:12
but everybody knew the joke because he was being a character whereas havoc and news boy you really didn't you were like
00:47:19
gay old Gore [ __ ] Gore got angry it was so good back then you could make those
00:47:24
jokes but so CTV was basically taking that I guess a little bit of that philosophy and then
00:47:33
just using it on dened and in dened North deden as you know is just like a this I call it like a biosphere back
00:47:41
then especially when it still had the pubs like GIS and the bowler and Captain Cook and the like that was just like
00:47:49
there was no need to leave your world because the uni campus was right there and you know our mate Clark gford was
00:47:56
the producer of CTV it was his internship he went to broadcasting scor Christ Church after his first year of
00:48:02
Union where I met him and then he came back and started this show which was basically all around the Walk of Shame
00:48:09
so cuz we were in this biosphere and nobody really had cars and you didn't need to drive anywhere people on Sunday
00:48:15
mornings maybe Saturday mornings depends if Club rugby was on or not on Saturday
00:48:18
people went out on Fridays but Sunday mornings especially early 7 to 8 people try and walk home back to their flats
00:48:25
from where they'd been the night before and you'd get like the Walk of Shame
00:48:30
like still looking like you know you'd been dragged through the bushes maybe
00:48:35
not literally but you try and get them on T on camera and you can do it because if they're on the street they're fair
00:48:41
game and you'd have people who would still talk to you and you'd have people
00:48:46
who run you know and it was just the guilt you felt bad chasing them I was like you're on an episode of fear go
00:48:53
there's a clip I saw on YouTube and that's Clark saying we love the chase we
00:48:57
love it and you've got like an Old English taxi or something yeah that was the channel 9 taxi I yeah the channel
00:49:04
yeah was it because the channel 9 was a station it had nothing to do with Channel 9 in Australia but it was just
00:49:09
Channel 9 and denen and it's no longer there um unfortunately but um yeah it
00:49:14
would be on like it was half hour weekly show on student life and I don't even
00:49:19
know what Cal stood for I don't even know why he called it Cal TV to this day
00:49:24
um I think it was like campus orientation weekly maybe as an acronym but it was like this old and we had
00:49:30
Nightline turn up and I wasn't the original host it was good friend of mine Marcus sag and Clark think had to have
00:49:39
like classic female male presento because you need to appeal to both audiences and then he went through about
00:49:47
four presenters female wise that just flake out they didn't want to do it or
00:49:52
they just went to you know away for the weekend when they were shooting and it's
00:49:56
like and lived with Marcus um flattered with them and then one day they're like
00:50:01
[ __ ] we're still waiting for so and so to turn up and I was like and we got to
00:50:05
do the shoot and I was like well I can help I can I can do the shoot cuz I know Marcus I know Clark we can we flat
00:50:13
together we've done gags before and so it became like that and I don't think
00:50:18
Clark was 100% of me doing it cuz I still think he felt like he needed a female but the luckily for me the head
00:50:25
of pro in at Channel 9 with the head of the station Ross he was like no the these two are great cuz they know each
00:50:32
other and they have a bond and they can they feed off each other so that's how
00:50:36
that started and So Cal TV became half an hour went from half an hour on a weekday and we do like would
00:50:45
set up a well Clark would set up a camera in the corner of the Captain Cook and then as people came into the dance
00:50:51
floor they just start making out and I was just like P we just F the making out it sounds so creepy now I say it PDF cam
00:51:00
or something yeah PDA PDA PDA Cam and then would voice over it and just like make all these make out noises and say
00:51:09
things put literally words in their mouths you can't get away with it now no
00:51:14
I saw it coming on YouTube under one of the things saying oh is it just and it was like from this year it was like oh
00:51:18
is this is it just me or is this kind of creepy and it's like well you know it's
00:51:21
quarter of a century ago though it was fine at the time it was fine at the time hasn't aged well but not
00:51:27
Regional television who thought that was still going to be on a a video sharing platform um like YouTube you for all to
00:51:34
see quarter of a century later um and you and clug do you you still in touch do you keep in touch yeah every now and
00:51:41
again just via socials yeah like see him at some random spots um yeah hung out with them recently well when I say
00:51:48
recently like last year bumped into him and yeah it's like it's just crazy to go
00:51:53
it's like that's Clark but he's also he's the you know the husband of jendra
00:51:58
Odun it's crazy I think in terms of um like leaders Partners I don't know if
00:52:03
anyone's had a worse go than what he's said like yeah in terms of the rumors
00:52:06
and stuff like him being on home detention and all this other stuff it's just ludicrous and you think it's
00:52:11
laughable but then it's you realize no this is actually someone's [ __ ] life
00:52:15
yeah yeah and now like these the people that start those rumors were empowered by
00:52:21
um lockdowns and vaccines and and 5G where they weren't just they weren't
00:52:26
just on the fringes anymore they were like still Fringe but just seeping into everyday conversation cuz it would just
00:52:32
be like oh did you see that thing on Facebook where xyz's in trouble and they've and like it was your auntie on
00:52:39
Facebook going asking a question and that just fit into itself and it just became this ugly ugly rumor that just
00:52:47
begat another rumor that begat another rumor and eventually it just became had to like they had to address it that's
00:52:53
how that's how messed up it was in New Zealand there for it still is messed up
00:52:58
to be honest oh it's completely cooked so was it after C TV is that when our
00:53:02
paths crossed is that when you started at the ede yeah so Clark started as your producer right and then yeah cuz he was
00:53:08
I think he was on a he was on one of those one of the very very early seasons of Treasure Island back before they had
00:53:13
celebrities on so he was just like a regular civilian he was on Treasure Island I think he did quite well he came
00:53:19
second I think was he and he's like always going to be great at Treasure Island because very resourceful and he
00:53:25
yeah he was he was on Treasure Island then he became the producer of the morning mad house on
00:53:30
the edge and then I finished up at Uni I'd done another year of CTV which had
00:53:36
been picked up as a by Spates as a sponsor and it went from half an hour um weekly to one hour every night every
00:53:44
week night for a full year which is where I just basically cut my teeth like there was no one telling me really how
00:53:51
to do it and how to be a presenter or anything but I just sort of fashioned a a version of myself on TV on in denen at
00:54:00
10:30 at night and that's how I met Steven from denen cuz he'd ring in and
00:54:04
some days Steven was great and sometimes he just H down the phone you as he's
00:54:08
prone to do happy birthday stepen oh Ste we're taking him to La I know I saw that it's
00:54:15
amazing that's so generous that's so cool that you guys sorted that out oh
00:54:18
it's it's going to be fun but being at his um 50th which was at the um the cin
00:54:21
Co in um like at 10:00 at night when it was wrapping up like his was like um have you had a good day stepen he's like
00:54:28
oh it's pretty like you with your your 5-year-old like he was like I don't want
00:54:31
to I don't want to talk about it she was like now Steven you've had a lot of
00:54:34
sugar today I think we need a good night's sleep and then we'll start tomorrow it was an interesting Insight
00:54:39
cuz we thought in La this is how we're going to have to speak to him if he gets
00:54:42
grumpy yeah don't speak to him like a 50-year-old like adult man speak to him
00:54:46
like he's a like he's a a young kid yeah he's he's such an icon of denan like he
00:54:51
really is and he's um he's he was great when I was there and then yeah to see
00:54:57
how you guys had him as a as a a part of your show and and how you've just T
00:55:02
taken him under your wings basically yeah what such a big part of his life you can't just sort of cast him aside so
00:55:09
I wasn't aware of all that TV experience you had in Den need in so then you started the age and you like um you like
00:55:14
a promo you were just like putting CDs and DVDs and bags and them out yeah ordering Banner WAP and right so you
00:55:21
were completely underutilized so I feel like the the the the promo manager and the the pr director I feel like they
00:55:28
they did you did you express an interest in what you wanted to do not really no I
00:55:34
just thought I could get you were completely underused though way may yeah maybe may but also I wasn't any I had
00:55:40
never done radio and never been on radi never studied radio never you know started as a 17year old or whatever what
00:55:46
how are you wearing two x 2xs 2xs sorry 2xs and P me like and then just taken under Mike West Wang and then that's how
00:55:55
you radio never no one ever showed me this is how you radio so I probably was just sort of I'd been hired to do Xbox
00:56:02
Gold uh summer parties and organized them and I did them I executed it relatively well but then I remember one
00:56:12
day Leon our boss said to me right you're doing the fat 40 and Stables is away and you're doing the fat 40 or fat
00:56:21
30 or whatever it was and like I was like what is what does that mean no one showed me how to record anything or go
00:56:29
live and then I I just remember just absolutely cooking it and I remember M putu having to come in and do it and fix
00:56:37
it all on a Saturday afternoon and this is in Hamilton so I started in Hamilton it was just like that probably sent me
00:56:44
back a long time in radio that's so unfair though I know it was like single swim and I S like a Stein did you like
00:56:52
on reflection was it as bad as what you yeah cuz i' i' like the cook the logs
00:56:57
and everything was out of time things were playing over the top of each other I don't know what they were thinking I
00:57:02
don't know what Leon was thinking that was a real test for me and I cocked it
00:57:06
so you yeah you were there for a while and then um then you left you went to Japan to
00:57:12
teach English yeah I went to Japan I had a mate who who had gone to Japan to teach English and then fell in with the
00:57:19
stock broken crowd because he played rugby and they're all xats and then made
00:57:24
a ton of money doing that so he didn't need to teach English but he was like
00:57:27
it's a great way to come to Japan on your way to the UK make some money and he had this
00:57:34
amazing three-bedroom apartment that has work paid for like right like a 10-minute walk from shabuya Crossing by
00:57:42
a place called yoyogi Park which is Flash as and I just stayed in in this room in his apartment that I didn't have
00:57:50
to pay for and then was there for like 6 months and I thought I don't really want
00:57:55
to go to oh [ __ ] I don't really actually want to go to the UK and just grind it
00:58:00
out in a shared space with 12 other people from ashb Hammersmith where all the other out
00:58:07
and you know do that I'd rather go back and do try my luck at media one last
00:58:15
time and by then I was in my mid-20s and I'd already worked with um this girl CLA Gibson who's uh who now
00:58:24
lives in London and she had been my producer after Clark at C TV for that year that we did an hour live every day
00:58:31
and we um she just started at three sport which was basically the production side of TV3 that did all the free to
00:58:39
wear rugby and made the sports Production shows not the sports news that was different and then so I got a
00:58:45
job there and that based off CTV and John McDonald who um who's who had done basically everything now done
00:58:55
Dancing with the Stars and all that for TV3 one of the big dogss at TV3 for years he ran the three sport part of it
00:59:01
and we started a a show called sports are and Oscar kley Nathan Ry were host and I was the I was the reporter that no
00:59:10
one knew everyone else was famous there was Dion Nash there was Kelly Swanson row there was all these famous people
00:59:17
and then there was me and all these famous people had all these amazing jobs and stuff this was one of them a Mandy
00:59:24
Smith now Mandy Barker was one like all these great people and then I was the one who had nothing else except this job
00:59:31
and then I could go and do these incredible overseas trips for two weeks 3 weeks and file these stories and that
00:59:40
that wouldn't age CU they couldn't do it cuz they couldn't take the time to go
00:59:44
away for two to three weeks and so I got to go to like the Indianapolis 500 and interview Scott Dixon in this Rocky
00:59:51
season as first Indie 500 I went interviewed Kirk peny who was in Chicago and about to do the NBA pre-draft pre
00:59:59
pre-draft camp in interview H he just come out of Wisconsin um Travis uh can't
01:00:07
remember I want to say Travis Scott but it's not um he was a baseballer and he
01:00:13
was literally in the minor leagues trying to Slug It Out and make it into Major League Baseball which is a great
01:00:19
story so I went to Syracuse where he was playing in doublea baseball and um Travis Wilson it was and so
01:00:26
I did I did all these stories and I just made it a little bit CTV it was a little
01:00:31
bit rock and roll and we used you know actual production music and it was fastpaced and it was supposed to be
01:00:36
slick and it was slick thankfully and it was just it just had a bit of a you know
01:00:40
a bit of a a wink in your eye about it and yeah that's when it started really
01:00:45
and I was like [ __ ] and I had these I just remember coming back and delivering
01:00:49
the 7500 story and these Grizzly not grizzled experienced joural producers at TV3 come up to me and say Well done and
01:01:00
like really good stuff and I was like they're like yeah I can't believe have
01:01:04
you done this before I was like no I've never done this I've just got lucky and
01:01:08
so that was that would gave me a lot of confidence that I was on the right path I'd made the right decision and that was
01:01:13
about six months after I got back from Japan I'd done some Super Rugby storytelling before then you then you
01:01:19
had that foot on the letter and I suppose that's all you needed so we were talking about before like you do a good
01:01:23
job and you're nice to be around and you're polite and you're and it's
01:01:26
amazing how far it gets you and also but being persistent because like you like you said like did you really make it
01:01:31
knowing that you wanted to be this at the edge and I was like obviously no but then this time round John he so much
01:01:39
John McDonald so much on his plate he kept forgetting about me because he had all these other people who were like
01:01:45
really important ex ex sports stars and I just kept nagging him and St mcferson who was the producer to be on the pilot
01:01:54
for this and be on the pilot and I want to do the story I've got this great idea
01:01:58
bows is back and Bows is Big with the these teenagers and I found the story that three news had done um about I his
01:02:07
name was mroy and he was a really good bowler but he was 19 years old and I just thought I could jux to position it
01:02:15
with a bit of n FR Williams music Fast Cuts make it rock and roll take their track cuz I didn't need to it was just a
01:02:22
pilot and then do it and then put that on the pilot but the pilot wasn't actually my name I could see on the
01:02:29
white ball my name wasn't on the rundown and so I had to I basically just harassed them to do it and it made the
01:02:35
cut because then the exacts who commissioned the show were like oh yeah we really like that and that's how close
01:02:40
it came was like I could have just been left off the list if I hadn't said anything so you really got to if you
01:02:45
feel it and you know you just have to push and you know youve being pushy but you know you're you're right for the
01:02:51
role that they don't think you are yet yeah it's a good skill to have I think
01:02:56
that persistence it's about um having the the I suppose the social awareness
01:02:59
to know when you're just like [ __ ] pain in the ass when you're just a Punisher and like people are like [ __ ]
01:03:05
off oh my God this guy um yeah that's [ __ ] great was IT Crowd gohost wild after that yeah so now you're doing a
01:03:14
sports 365 or something yeah so what happened was TV3 had all the free to wear rights that Sky basically leased to
01:03:22
them which meant that every Saturday night there was a free to a game on TV3 but it was 90 minutes after the game had
01:03:28
actually kicked off and then that was full of ads and then as that I I think that basically the public and the
01:03:36
diffusion of Sky into households diffusion of innovation people slowly became more and more open to bind sky
01:03:42
and we have one of the highest penetrations of of payv in the world especially at that time people would the
01:03:50
audience was dwindling for the free to AAR rights so um I think they just decided that they weren't going to buy
01:03:57
these rights anymore because they couldn't sell them so TV3 basically everything just constricted and John
01:04:04
said look give give Sky a call and you um I'll put in a great word for you I
01:04:11
think your resume you know you've got your Sizzle reel and they'll know who
01:04:15
you are by now which is great which is very helpful and so I rang sky and that was like 2005 and Sport 365 was their
01:04:22
Nightly News show and it was basically I just went there as as a producer and a reporter and I was like starting back at
01:04:32
the bottom of the ladder again which is fine because it was like you just can't
01:04:35
have a rock and roll ride the whole time and so we did 365 and some and sometimes
01:04:40
it would make it to air and other times the whole system would just [ __ ] itself
01:04:43
because they bought uh French radio editing software to edit TV on this vintage Sky back then go cheap and
01:04:54
demand something something that isn't set up to do it and it would just it was
01:04:58
called dallot and it just crashed all the time and things wouldn't happen and
01:05:01
it was a bit of a nightmare but there was people like Melody Robinson was on it Brenan pong was hosting it um yeah it
01:05:10
was like great people step MAA obviously and we all worked on it and then Sky bought Prime TV and Prime was owned by
01:05:20
the Aussies and Paul Holmes was on it remember when Paul Holmes left yeah made the big switch it was mess massive
01:05:26
massive massive deal like a lot of money and that hadn't worked out for Paul I
01:05:32
mean he got paid so it worked out financially but um the audience didn't go with Paul which is a real it was a
01:05:38
real telling like far out Paul Holmes was leaving everyone's going to go watch
01:05:42
them on Prime that TV1 audience is not going anywhere it is it is locked in you know 5:00 the chase nowadays 6:00 One
01:05:52
news no rival to it 7:00 seven sharp with Jeremy and Hillary amazing 500,000 people still watching linear
01:06:00
TV and back then like the Paul homes experiment didn't work but Sky bought it
01:06:05
because they bought a free toar channel so those free toar rights that they were
01:06:10
leasing out they needed those Free To Wear rights to to bid for the Olympics because you got to have an element of
01:06:19
global sport events on free to AAR CU they won't just let everything hide behind a pay wall you have to have a
01:06:25
free to AAR ch pel so it it was a strategic acquisition by John fet the CEO and the board and then the Paul
01:06:32
holes thing I don't think they really wanted to be lumbered with a huge contract so they asked that and that's
01:06:37
how Crowd Goes Wild came about because John fet went to Rick elito and said we need something that showcases sky sport
01:06:43
to a free toar audience and we need it to be every week night and I want it to be fun and a reverent and a shop window
01:06:51
to what we offer and so Kos wild started like that and Rick um and Rick basically got the
01:06:59
existing budget of sport 365 so they guessed sport 365 um which didn't go down well with
01:07:05
some people in the sport office and then they took that budget and gave it to Rick and said this is your kago wild
01:07:11
budget well this is your show budget and you take whoever you want to bring across and I'd known rck because I'd
01:07:17
done a few things a little bit with Sports Cafe that didn't make it to a but
01:07:22
he knew and he'd been at TV3 as a consultant in and out with John McDonald and just right place right time because
01:07:29
he said oh yeah I'll bring I'll bring Andrew across because I think he'll be a
01:07:32
great producer for us and he's he's got a great eye for like you know being a
01:07:37
little bit of reverent and so we ended up he ended up coming out with the show and he he had an idea for Mark
01:07:44
Richardson to abuse him because he' done this thing with Steven Fleming where he
01:07:49
had been um Stephen Fleming was obviously the cricket captain and paid Mark out for
01:07:56
asking a really dumb question and and it was was the best acting it was so good it was so good it was for Mark's Cricket
01:08:03
show and they filmed it solely for the cricket show that played on Sky cuz it was his a reverent style of humor as
01:08:11
well but what the mistake was well wasn't a mistake it was when you when you're in an OB everything gets fed into
01:08:19
a truck right and it's kept in the in the hard drive of the truck but what had
01:08:25
being shut down was the link to India cuz India would buy all the cricket and to stream all the cricket and
01:08:33
somehow it went to Air and they must have thought in India oh Mark Richardson's going to interview Steven
01:08:38
Fleming and somehow got Lost in Translation that they took this interview and I don't know if it went
01:08:45
live or not but they played the interview out of Mark getting ripped by Steven Fleming and the Indians were like
01:08:50
oh my God holy [ __ ] Stephen fing the black caps captain is reaming his former teammate and now presenter Mark
01:08:58
Richardson this is shocking this is great TV this is amazing and um of course it wasn't it was all Lost in
01:09:06
Translation but it became famous went viral before viral was viral um and Rick hired Mark to do that and then he needed
01:09:15
somebody beside him he needed a and so we ended up or I ended up auditioning all these different people one day in
01:09:22
the studio space offsite and all these different people came through and I was the one who sat in the other chair
01:09:30
asking them questions manufacturing a bit of banter and AD liing and just I remember the phone call Rick ringing me
01:09:38
and I was in my flat and gry Lin and he said look um thank you doing for doing all the auditions but actually you're
01:09:45
the one who's going to be um I think you're the one who should be in the
01:09:48
chair it was literally one of those phone calls that you just dream about and I I I never thought I could I could
01:09:56
be that host or I could do it and I'm going to Scupper these people's opportunities it was like no no that's
01:10:01
fine I'm going to be a produc I still got a job in TV it's fantastic I'm in at
01:10:05
Sky this is great this is right at my alley but I never thought it should be me I should be the one what did he did
01:10:11
he like the um the chemistry or the interplay between you guys was it obvious like immediately or yeah well I
01:10:16
never had to I never had to audition Mark he was already had his mind made up on Mark I mean I mean I'm sure like Rick
01:10:24
probably there's variation to his side of the story of course but he just saw
01:10:28
the way I dealt with these other people and thought he's a good foil and he'll
01:10:33
be the straight presenter but he can hold his own if need be I think that's how he would say it and that's how I
01:10:39
remember it being conveyed to me and I was like [ __ ] that's awesome what a
01:10:44
dream and then it started and it was absolutely panned the hated it yeah it was it was I remember seeing you at a at
01:10:54
a mat's barbecue I think it was at the of year one and you I was like oh this
01:10:57
Show's really good and you're like no it's probably going to be cancelled and
01:11:00
here we are like 17 years later it's still going but yeah yeah how was that time was it brutal it was it was a it
01:11:05
was a reality check because in in hindsight they were correct but we were just trying our best but there was no
01:11:11
regular sport show like ours at a at a not technically not prime time but a prime time a Heritage spot at 700 p.m.
01:11:20
like sports fans are like [ __ ] that's good we'll take that but it wasn't
01:11:26
it wasn't the sports news as you expect it sports news with a Twist is what we
01:11:31
called it yeah comedic twist it was like and we weren't trying to be funny but we
01:11:34
were trying to be funny do you know what I mean it wasn't like seven days it
01:11:37
wasn't like um which is a a legendary show it was just trying to get our way
01:11:42
through it different from what you've just seen at 6 p.m. on the sports news
01:11:47
and it [ __ ] a lot of people off which I'm I'm I'm more than happy with and it
01:11:51
still probably does to this day but we've we're part of the furniture now on
01:11:55
t TV which is cool yeah 18 years it's incredible um it's like we were talking
01:12:00
before it was at a came on I guess at at a time where sport in New Zealand was very very serious um you had to sort of
01:12:06
have a frown on your forehead about it and you guys just um Sport's fun and you
01:12:10
guys made it fun yeah exactly and it's like so like the Sunday star times just
01:12:15
wrapped us and and it was like we didn't review that well I was like oh well and
01:12:20
I took it to heart because you know but then the feedback from from people who would say hey you're the guy from Kos
01:12:27
wild and you go yeah and they' go really love the show and he' like oh yeah
01:12:31
normal people actually like it not just some grizzled old sports editor yeah someone who's writing a column in a
01:12:38
newspaper that's not who it's for yeah um and what about um you personally like
01:12:42
how long did it take you to sort of find your voice and feel really comfortable yeah you know being the Andrew Mulligan
01:12:49
the yeah the Andrew Mulligan um it was actually the the following year I reckon and Mark went away for the 2007 World
01:12:58
Cricket World Cup and that was in like the Bahamas in the West Indies um so it was
01:13:05
more the West Indies actually not the Bahamas um but he was away for [ __ ] so long and that was one of the longest
01:13:10
tournaments they've ever had and it's never been that long but I had to do the
01:13:14
show obviously and we had a rotating cast of great people who' come through like athletes like Simon D who I've
01:13:21
worked with for love um Tony Dalton as well who rest in peace yeah rest in peace s Dalton um like great athletes
01:13:30
and I really became it's it's not your show but you are the one that there
01:13:35
these people are Alig on you to guide them and direct them and and make them feel comfortable and not like show them
01:13:42
up or you know they're in a very vulnerable position CU it's a hard thing
01:13:46
to do a half hour tally and just sit there and if you're an ex-athlete you've
01:13:50
never done it before it's like so I really found my voice then which was was
01:13:55
good and when Mark came back I remember having a conversation with him the the car park cuz mark it was all on him
01:14:02
previously and I was there as a little bit of an offsider and then I said look this is going to work if you and I both
01:14:09
go to this level and have that are they do they not like each other or do they like each other are they taking the p a
01:14:16
Ser like we we get to that point it's like Hudson on Hall type stuff you know
01:14:20
they don't like each other but do they like each other and if we can carry that
01:14:23
off every night I think we'll be to winner yeah so that's that's pretty much
01:14:27
how it became you know in its Glory years of just being some shows were good some shows were great other shows were
01:14:35
just like flush it down the Dy it was a it was a great combination though fantastic combination were you guys he's
01:14:42
he's an unusual guy re were you would you would you say at any point you were
01:14:47
actual friends yeah I think we were eventually like we we worked at radio sport together and we um we weren't
01:14:55
close um I don't know if he's close to many people though by by Design no he's
01:14:59
not and I and I I mean I love him for it and I will always say that yes Mark and
01:15:04
I were friends but like uh macka and Rie they were different people and circles yeah yeah and it's like they were great
01:15:12
on air together but it's also just to have a little bit of that doesn't mean
01:15:17
that you're all mates off off the show and it doesn't matter do you know what I
01:15:21
mean like but he was very different like he would go surfing by himself and he would go which was his way of relaxing
01:15:27
he's an active relaxer so he became a runner and as you know like running's a
01:15:32
very isolating situation we spend running for [ __ ] 3 hours like he would he'd be like the guy who ran in
01:15:38
those those those toes shoes oh yeah the vibr five fingers yeah you know he became that guy a triathlete like he'd
01:15:48
do all these things I was like far out we're just different which worked on air
01:15:53
so it was yeah but yeah I mean I Mark Mark works for um bar now for bar now yeah so he's left
01:16:01
that media World behind it all came all came to a very silent stop after Co for his his projects and stuff which is
01:16:08
really really hard for him to deal with uh person because I I remember ringing him and checking in and saying because
01:16:13
it was like today FM shut down the block got cancelled everything just became you
01:16:19
know the am show after before that was you know he been re been moved off that that so it was all very hard for him but
01:16:27
being Mark very resourceful very good mindset of dealing with failure because he dealt with failure as a cricketer
01:16:34
because he literally wrote a book called thinking negatively where he learned to
01:16:38
deal with failure all the time and turning that into success like he started out in test Cricket as a bowler
01:16:45
and was [ __ ] and became an opening batsman like it's one of the great Transformations yeah I I had um a
01:16:52
podcast last week with Dame Julie Christie and she talked about him being the best person that she's ever worked
01:16:55
with like just in terms of his professionalism and just his um yeah his his workflow and his work process and
01:17:02
stuff incredible like would manage like radio sport in the morning go and do Cricket commentary and
01:17:10
then might have to do some stuff for crowd at night if he was away like just had this hectic schedule at times and
01:17:17
yeah I remember being told that on the Block like there's they have a script
01:17:22
like I was talking to Andy Ellis about this the other day who now does the moving houses show on TV1 that's on and
01:17:28
he said the hardest thing is to having to remember a script verbatim and deliver it in a way that feels natural
01:17:34
so you've got not just remember the lines but deliver the and sell the lines
01:17:37
down the barrel and I remember being told by people who worked on the Block said yeah Mark was just [ __ ] great he
01:17:44
just wouldn't if around he knew what he had to do he rehearsed and it was a learning curve for him I remember him
01:17:49
telling me that if you know initially it was tough because I didn't realize you
01:17:53
had to do that you couldn't just add your way through you had to deliver these lines and eventually he became
01:17:58
because he's very dedicated he became really good at it so yeah he was um yeah
01:18:03
he's a he's a lost to broadcasting I really think he should be back in broadcasting but I don't think there's
01:18:08
an Avenue at the moment for him well he's doing bits and pieces they have Cricket stuff yeah exactly so he's got
01:18:12
his toe in the water and that is his that's his passion he loves Cricket commentry like for if there was anything
01:18:18
that he'd want to do the most there'll be paydays that'll be greater than
01:18:21
Cricket commentary but as passion is doing Cricket commentary so the the both end of the day thing which um holes has
01:18:27
done H um homes who else hosing Tony straight it's like an elite Jeremy Wells
01:18:34
oh Jeremy Wells of course yeah radio hardi and it's an elite group of like broadcasters that have done that you
01:18:40
you've done that for many years yeah it's I did that there was a stint there
01:18:45
when I was doing five nights a week and five nights of radio which they've done
01:18:50
and it's incredible to think that you can do it for as long as you can you can't have a
01:18:57
lifestyle away from broadcasting that is a party lifestyle cuz it'll just catch
01:19:03
up on you and it just it's it's it just like you constantly jet lag when you do
01:19:07
breakfast radio right so to be able to manage your day and then Peak it at the other end of the day orbe it for half an
01:19:14
hour was actually quite a good stress relief I really embraced it I really enjoyed it I really I really enjoyed the
01:19:22
fact that I could do both and made sure that I was eventually worked out that you need to do exercise and you
01:19:30
just can't rely on coffees and caffeine and herbal supplements or whatever it is
01:19:35
like gr or ginsing like you really have to have the the consumate lifestyle to be able to do that but I tapered that
01:19:41
back when we had kooper in 2013 cuz I was just wasn't seeing him I wouldn't
01:19:46
see him in the morning and I wouldn't really see him at night because he was a
01:19:49
baby and then so I just said look I'm not going to I'm going to and I knew
01:19:52
that the Friday night show was the one show where I didn't feel like I had to
01:19:56
be on and I think it was important for people like Haley Holt and stuff to be able to do
01:20:00
it um and have an opportunity because I've been greedy and hogging it for like
01:20:05
at least 10 years so yeah so I Ste back a little bit and I remember sainsbury steep back a little bit from doing
01:20:12
closeup and so I thought if I can negotiate that with Rick and he was really good about it and it was probably
01:20:18
the best thing that I did and then I just stayed at four nights for a long time until Co hit and we had to reduce
01:20:25
The Showdown and now it's only two nights Mondays and Thursdays but I feel like we're at a point now where we
01:20:31
should be back to four nights I don't think we need to do a Friday show anymore like Super Rugby kickoff times
01:20:35
earlier at 700 and I mean people aren't watching TV when they are any more like
01:20:41
they were back in the day but that there's still there's still people watching TV and I think unfortunately
01:20:46
you know rest in peace the project this is still an opportunity there to do 700 p.m. Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday
01:20:52
certainly not going to take any numbers off seven sharp but I think people will view will will take to it and I think
01:20:57
commercially it's an opportunity as well what what do you feel how do you feel
01:21:01
about the future of um the media landscape I was having a conversation yesterday um name drop again my friend
01:21:07
Melissa Stokes who is a great news reader a great journalist um and she works at tvnz and you'll see her pop up
01:21:14
on the weekends she's she's amazing she's such a just such a great friend
01:21:19
and great sounding board for TV she's very pragmatic about where TV is going
01:21:24
and we see it like she she feels and I'm I'm in agreeance with her she feels it's
01:21:29
a little bit overblowing I think there's a lot of headwinds obviously but I think
01:21:33
that's also a state of New Zealand business and commercially and with budgets they're just sure audiences are
01:21:39
leaving tvnz has really done a great job of honing their digital strategy and unfortunately that's come at a cost of a
01:21:46
lot of people's jobs so I just certainly don't want to diminish that because
01:21:50
that's really tough um but I don't think I think Linea t will always be there I
01:21:56
think there will always be streamers but I just I think the New Zealand audience
01:22:01
will always rely on turning on the TV turning on their Sky Box and it being there all the time I think there is
01:22:08
diffusion of innovation with tablets and phones and how you digest stuff and you
01:22:12
look at I show speed this week you know 33,000 people around the world watching them just a million 33 million 33
01:22:19
million subscribers on YouTube but 1% of it were active streamers right okay so I
01:22:24
could see that number there and I was like 33,000 that's a nice show for Crowd
01:22:28
Goes Wild but he's streaming for hours like he'll like there'll be there'll be
01:22:33
iow speed and another one like him in five years time doing something different he not won't necessarily be
01:22:39
iow speed maybe in 5 years he'll be doing something different cuz that's how
01:22:44
the algorithm works and he will he will be a factor but people still watch premium TV people still want to watch
01:22:52
HBO Max and while people still want their information delivered in a in certain ways and like you can watch it
01:22:58
on your you can Doom scroll eventually just feel a little bit Dum for Doom scrolling 100% cuz I Doom scroll and I I
01:23:05
just actually feel really dumb right now yeah so I do think there's a future for
01:23:10
TV and New Zealand I I think the big budget stuff will come back I think when production houses and funding becomes
01:23:17
more aligned and certainly with news there's a big debate going on about the
01:23:22
the PE companies like alphabet Google meta paying for news that's not a conversation there I'm not really across
01:23:29
but I think there will be big budget shows we'll come back like they will they'll make the block again eventually
01:23:35
Like Dancing with the Stars will eventually come back because and celebrity Treasure Island that's coming
01:23:39
back because I imagine they got really great numbers yeah if the product's right then
01:23:44
um it works yeah I I agree I think maybe they won't be the numbers that they were
01:23:49
like 10 20 25 years ago like Julie Christie talked about some documentary she did back in the day like thing with
01:23:54
Rachel Hunter that had like half the country watching or something that's not
01:23:58
going to happen but there still a place for it I mean she'll have a very a much
01:24:02
better Viewpoint of it than than obviously I will but yeah she thinks it'll come back yeah although you're in
01:24:08
the you're in the trenches like you're the like you're the shop window of all
01:24:10
these all these things rather than in the back room what's your um what's your
01:24:14
One True Media love like if you had to like just choose one oh yeah I mean that's such a good question because I
01:24:20
don't that's a [ __ ] question that a [ __ ] question cuz if I say one the other the
01:24:24
other ones will feel get jealous they'll get jealous I mean I love love them all
01:24:28
equally they like you kids I know I mean I really enjoy basketball commentary with Casey Frank like I've been doing it
01:24:35
for 15 years now and skyon had do the breakers commentary this season hopefully it'll come back in the future
01:24:42
but it's an ESPN deal they bought the rights and it sits on sky on the ESPN channel so I understand that that part
01:24:50
of the business but I really enjoy doing I still do the men's league and not so
01:24:55
much this season but I will next season do the women's league to basketball and
01:25:00
I really enjoy just calling basketball games it's so fun you don't know what is
01:25:04
happening um it's just two hours of almost two hours of AD liing and it's
01:25:09
great and I really enjoy commentary it's fun I love what I do with the morning
01:25:12
Rumble and it's got three great friends and when you know when you've got
01:25:18
friends on the show it's some days it's just like this is just so much fun you
01:25:23
know it's a lot of fun and crowd is just like I'm so proud of it I'm so
01:25:28
protective of it it's been such a a great ride and it's so resilient it's
01:25:32
been through trying to think it's been through like five or six time slot changes over its lifetime and every time
01:25:41
that some people would come in and go oh it's going to have to go to 6:30 oh it
01:25:45
be late night crowd you could swear more like no one cares if you're swearing or
01:25:49
not you know it's going to 10: p.m. it's going to 9:30 it's going to go it's
01:25:52
going to come back to 700 it's going to be um this that and it's just always
01:25:56
come back to 7 p.m. because that's where it started and that's where it always
01:26:00
should be so yeah I can't choose Don yeah um there was a mean question um no
01:26:06
but it's a good question it has to be asked yeah the the breakfast show stuff
01:26:09
is incredible and it's been such a consistent lineup on the rock for so many years now and you just get to know
01:26:14
you just get to know you know what Lanes people are going to take and what what jokes they're going to make yeah um it's
01:26:20
a very yeah it's very easy if you have it on in the background like R plays his
01:26:23
part well if if you're if you're listening passively like you're having a
01:26:27
conversation with someone that's on in the background you feel like you're
01:26:29
missing out on something yeah and that's great because that's what you need to
01:26:33
have in radio you want to be able to have that like if you're at at the pub and there's a barer and there's four
01:26:39
people having fun you want to like be a part of that cuz it sounds like they're
01:26:42
great people but also you want to be open enough for them if that person comes up to your barer you go come in
01:26:49
mate yeah you know we're we're just talking about this what do you think you
01:26:53
know be open yeah and so I think that's the key to radio is just being accessible and approachable and being
01:27:00
relevant and making sure that you're talking about the right stuff at the right time yeah and and your your show
01:27:07
um even though it's a male like a male skewed audience um I feel like it's a
01:27:11
show with a big heart like you do a lot of Charity stuff and you do a lot of good stuff um but how's how's the whole
01:27:16
like woke culture cancel culture being for you guys I feel like you guys have a torch on you um undeservedly so yeah we
01:27:23
do we do we have a and I think that comes from a place where way back in the day when I say
01:27:30
back in the day like the 2000s when The Rock was really at its peak and there was Nick and Rod and it was just like
01:27:37
people were like this is confronting some of the chat that would happen then it was just this un now an unfair
01:27:45
stereotype of Bogen humor which we're not we're doing F jokes like I said
01:27:51
earlier we're doing you know top five by the way the segment of I referenced ear
01:27:54
it was the top five fat things from Tik Tok or something and it ended with um like a New Zealander that sent you like
01:28:00
a voice note of a 34 second F exactly and we played it but you can do that and then we we for we'll forget that bit and
01:28:14
then look at the fart jokes and it's look if it's not your cup of tea it's
01:28:18
not your cup of tea but we're not doing anything malicious and if we stray a
01:28:22
little bit we'll get our hand slapped and we will get told off but we very rarely do it if at all it's just like
01:28:29
perception is reality unfortunately for a lot of people and sometimes it's true
01:28:34
but in our case it's not like we're we do have a spotlight on us and we're very
01:28:39
aware of that as well and is it fair it's not for us to say you know we just
01:28:43
do a consistent job and thankfully the numbers back it up the listeners say that we're their favorite station at
01:28:49
times which is really cool oh yeah your ratings are like rock solid yeah I know really yeah but it must piss you guys
01:28:56
off like you must see things on Instagram and go well how can Hy do that and we can't even do yeah there is there
01:29:01
are times when they're doing seems like an jokes like I was like oh well but
01:29:06
yeah maybe it's um yeah like a victim of your own success like when your ratings
01:29:09
are are really good and you're doing the stuff you know there's more of a
01:29:12
spotlight on you anyway it's a it's a bloody great show and some of the stuff
01:29:16
you do you should be like really proud of yeah thank you coming from you that's
01:29:19
really appreciate that that's really good hey I've got some um how you going
01:29:23
for time yeah good I'm good I got some questions from Instagram yeah something
01:29:27
that just occurred to me so um we started this chat at uh 10:30 on a Wednesday morning so you you'd done a
01:29:34
breakfast radio show prior for this um yeah sometimes after a breakfast radio show like sometimes I'd be fine but
01:29:40
other days I'd feel like you I'd rent a marathon or something you know it can be
01:29:44
quite exhausting but then Dom you'd go and run a marathon no but how how are you feeling
01:29:49
now like to go from um yeah the breakfast radio show to to changing the pace a bit and you know doing a check
01:29:55
like this like quite a deep chck for a couple of hours yeah no it's been it's
01:29:58
it's good I've really enjoyed it you don't I mean you don't talk about
01:30:01
yourself a whole lot anyway and like you said I've only ever done one other with
01:30:05
this is um uh with Tim provise who's a really really cool guy I really like what he's done um but I don't mind it I
01:30:12
really yeah I mean I don't like talking about myself all the time but if we if
01:30:17
we're doing a deep dive I've never really done it before except that one
01:30:20
other time so this is fine this is good yeah it's nice to reflect on some some
01:30:24
of the stuff you've done I think and the pathway to get there cuz it's um you
01:30:27
know it wasn't all um you know I I I don't know like a you know a perfect
01:30:32
running order sort of thing like it was that that DP and there was that time where you must have thought what the
01:30:36
[ __ ] am I doing with my life yeah especially at the end of radio sport there when after Mark left and he went
01:30:41
to the sound and he he' been at radio sport a while and it had worn him down
01:30:46
and he was just over it and by that at that time we were doing the show together at night as well and it was
01:30:52
just it just you Sports opinions we're trying to have fun and then you just quickly worked out that the audience was
01:30:59
always going to be there and they were just the ones who didn't want it you have that much fun so that was really
01:31:05
taxing like that so it certainly was not a great ride over those years between radio sport and then coming back to the
01:31:13
Rock which was so it was such a relief to go back to the rock it really was I really enjoyed um coming back and then
01:31:21
just building on what um we done previously before I'd left because by when I left I was like the fourth voice
01:31:29
and then there's R Bryson Leah and it was just a a situation where I was like
01:31:36
these guys are great I'm I'm finding my feet breckfast radio is quite hard to to
01:31:41
manufacture something consistently as you know as a product every day but then I've got this opportunity to do
01:31:46
something with somebody who I already have a relationship with that is going to be the brand that I'm already
01:31:51
familiar with and people are familiar with as well and then I can do that as um with have more of a prominent role
01:31:59
and it it worked for a time and then they shifted the goal post about three times by the time I got there within six
01:32:04
months it was just we're doing this we're taking this frequency from you
01:32:08
you're playing music now on radio sport and breakfast time I like what the [ __ ]
01:32:12
it's stressful eh it's like knee-jerk reaction stuff like they Panic it's um
01:32:16
you I've been in situations where um the when when the ratings are really really
01:32:20
good you can do anything and they leave you alone they don't touch it but when
01:32:24
the ratings are bad that's when everyone has some input yeah so the the the CEO
01:32:29
will come in and say oh I was talking to my nieces over the weekend and they reckon you suck because of this yeah and
01:32:34
then suddenly you have to change everything when ratings are good it's sweet ear oh exactly I mean how many
01:32:39
people have had their careers decided by the CEO's partner so many I've had I've had
01:32:48
different conversations with different people who are not not CEOs but that's
01:32:53
like programming people or this sales and then just like oh look I was at the barbecue and Steve says that crowds just
01:33:02
it just hasn't really done up for him and I was like you can you know I like
01:33:06
saying you know what you can tell Steve to get [ __ ] yeah it's like I'm I'm
01:33:11
cheer exp what are you doing what are you doing listening to Steve like oh you know but I'm getting getting the gauge
01:33:16
getting the vibe I was like we're making your own decision yeah yeah Steve says
01:33:20
you're not doing enough eyes hockey and that's that's going to be the fixer yeah
01:33:23
un um oh one thing that I I wanted to talk about I couldn't even find it online um
01:33:29
the the jaggernaut thing uh where you were oh yeah yeah I thought this would have been your most viral moment it's
01:33:34
not on Tik Tok it's not on YouTube it's not on Instagram no it's not I think sky
01:33:39
and Super Rugby took it down to be honest and that must be yeah that would have to be the reason why you can't find
01:33:45
it that was that was hilarious because that was that was the peak of stuff and especially the Herald having this really
01:33:55
acrimonious relationship with sky and anything that Sky did it was written about in a negative light because they
01:34:03
were at a point where they weren't allowed to run as much video of sports highlights as they wanted to cuz you
01:34:11
know fair enough Skype PID a lot of money like there was one point I remember stuff had a 15minute Breakers
01:34:17
highlight package on their page it's like that is not fair usage you cannot have 15 minute someone screen grabbed
01:34:25
someone screen recorded this and just uploaded it to the stuff website and so there was this real butting of heads and
01:34:32
then for me to have this this viral moment where my earpiece basically had this what they
01:34:39
call audio latency where it's this micr second like the Split Second my microphone was unfortunately plugged
01:34:46
into the back of the steady cam when it should have been uh a a uh wireless mic which is fit into another unit and has
01:34:55
nothing to do with the fact that's it's going into the camera because that
01:34:59
creates this cycle where it's just repeating so it's going in a circle and
01:35:03
it's going to the truck but it's coming back and it's and so I had this one
01:35:08
moment where it's the halftime interview the players's walking off uh and I ask
01:35:16
the question and I'm like [ __ ] I can hear myself is everyone else hearing this but you have to get the question
01:35:23
now so this part of the brain is going [ __ ] what the what the hell's that and
01:35:27
the other part of the brain is asking the question and I asked the question and Dom it was a [ __ ] good question
01:35:33
cuz the the stormers were getting pumped by the Crusaders like 30 something3 or 30 something6 and I was like how do you
01:35:40
stop a juggernaut like the Crusaders and the storm's Captain Robbie he's he goes um who cuz I'd slur I'd
01:35:48
slurred everything and then I go like the say how and I'm like slurring and like oh my
01:35:56
God I'm like can I am I the only one hearing this and at the end of the clip
01:36:01
because you can't find it anymore in the clip you see me looking off camera and
01:36:05
I've got this look in my face like what I'm looking at the sound person like
01:36:10
what was that did you hear that like and what it turned out is yeah there was a dead spot at the stadium where the
01:36:17
wildest mics don't work yet Sky have to broadcast from there cuz it's it's
01:36:21
closest end to the trucks and and they decided the wildest M wasn't working just before halftime plugged it into the
01:36:29
back of the camera but anyway afterwards my Twitter mentions blew up so I addressed it and I said someone asked me
01:36:38
what was that have you been drinking and I just went I'm drunk AF clearly I'm not
01:36:43
and then so the herald decided to run with my must have gone why yeah something's gone viral here we go to his
01:36:49
Twitter and then looked at my Twitter and I said I'm drunk AF as a rep not as
01:36:54
a statement and then taking that as literally this is what he's he is drunk on air and put that up as a story and
01:37:03
said I was drunk on air [ __ ] that shoty journalism that's so [ __ ] and then they
01:37:08
corrected it terrible and it went viral and it like it was like this 2448 hour period of just I ended up making jokes
01:37:16
about myself on air on Twitter and and Instagram and there was egg on the face of the herald and stuff because it was
01:37:23
it was an audio latency and people still to the stage though believe that I was drunk when I do the Juggernaut thing did
01:37:30
that um did it make you guny after that like to to make to make jokes or do you question what you no it didn't because
01:37:36
it made me it made me May really made me annoyed but I realized that everything you do is under a microscope and it you
01:37:44
so you have to be super prepared I remember uh remember having to think what would I do in the next time and of
01:37:53
course because one part of my brain is connecting the fact that I sound different but the other one's asking the
01:37:58
questions if I was just down the barrel talking I would have ripped my earpiece out and just kept going like that but
01:38:06
because I was doing an interview I was also trying to deal with the situation I should have just taken
01:38:12
my earpiece out but I couldn't do three things at once trying to work out what's
01:38:15
happening I see question RI but just take the earpiece out next time and I have done it you've given it a lot of
01:38:20
thought it's a shame it's not around cuz it's a great moment it is a great moment
01:38:23
yeah part we play it on the radio all the time yeah they pay me out about it all the time yeah um I got some
01:38:29
Instagram questions here um what has been your most exhilarating moment as a commentator is there one it is it would
01:38:37
be it would be the breakers winning the championship in 2015 and aen a hits this
01:38:45
fallway jump shot and to win the game and I said pandemonium absolute Saints and that's that's probably the most
01:38:52
exhilarating thing where I got to call a championship um and very rarely do commentators get these moments where not
01:38:59
only do they get to call a championship but they get to call a moment that defines a championship and that was like
01:39:05
that was just like holy [ __ ] that's amazing I had nothing prepared for a moment like that I just because if you
01:39:11
do you end up sounding like Keith Quinn going oh oh which in itself is Iconic because he was fumbling for his notes
01:39:17
about what would happen if Jonah scored I've got a line and it was something
01:39:21
along the lines of all muscle and pump but he didn't get the line cuz he dropped the card and he was going oh oh
01:39:27
and that's how he that's what happened to him and you hear in the aftermath of
01:39:31
the replay he gets the line out he says yeah Jonah all muscle and pump but anyway my it's iconic though icon
01:39:39
exactly yeah um if you could cover any sporting event or team in the world what would it be and why oh any sporting team
01:39:45
in the world it would have to be uh my favorite sporting team is the Golden State Warriors uh they are um with Steph
01:39:54
Curry especially so um I got to cover Team USA at the Paris Olympics and that would be pretty close to what that that
01:40:00
answer should be actually because they were up against in the semi-final against Serbia and the final against
01:40:05
France and they needed Steph carry to rescue them basically um and to be able to be there at that moment and and be
01:40:12
part of that as for work for sky is yeah amazing what's your take on the future
01:40:18
of sports media and how fans consume content so fans consume I've started a substack cuz I just felt like I've had a
01:40:26
lot of stuff in my head that I want to get out and even though I've got Avenues
01:40:31
where I'm fortunate enough to be able to get it out I just needed to write some
01:40:35
stuff down and just give a little bit of personality to what I think about Sport
01:40:39
and so I just started a substack um I write semi-regularly and then I started a podcast on it as well just talking
01:40:46
basketball with Casey Frank because we really enjoyed talking basketball as you know the podcast world is highly
01:40:51
competitive and really hard to um manufacture an income from and for people like you Dom who've done it is
01:40:57
fantastic but we just like shooting the [ __ ] so I just do that on my substack and that's where I think a lot of people
01:41:04
have headed a lot of people are leaving X forly Twitter now because it's just a
01:41:09
piece of [ __ ] and it's got It's so negative it's so it's so negative but
01:41:13
then Freds and blue sky will also be like that as well which is unfortunate but it's just a cycle Facebook's been
01:41:20
like that for a while I think people just have have so many opportunities to look at different ways of consuming
01:41:28
sport it's almost overwhelming for some people and that's why I think crowd
01:41:31
still works for aspiring broadcasters or sports commentators what's the most
01:41:37
valuable piece of advice you'd give listen to yourself back watch yourself pay
01:41:43
attention uh take advice from people you trust and get constructive criticism and learn
01:41:52
from it and that's I've had to learn it the hard way and I certainly didn't
01:41:56
listen to myself back or um watch myself all the time but I felt like I would be
01:42:03
much better off now if I did do it but also I wouldn't be where I am now if I
01:42:08
didn't um if I hadn't if I had done it I might not be where I am now I might have
01:42:12
taken it too literal um so yeah if you can self-analyze but don't dwell don't
01:42:18
don't dwell on a mistake don't get down about something that you did just move
01:42:22
on were you good at asking for help or like who were you ment TOS um you mentioned before about the John McDonald
01:42:28
story about you like Ping him um but when you got the job like we did you ask Rick Cito for like advice or feedback or
01:42:35
yeah Rick was really good at at at letting Mark and I be Mark and I but also giving us feedback because he's
01:42:41
he's worked with some of the greats and he is one of the greats of of sports
01:42:45
production in New Zealand like he's got great ideas he said two successful shows
01:42:49
like in Sports Cafe and crowd as well as heaps of other projects um but mentors it was like I
01:42:58
just looked up to people and I studied the way they did things it wasn't so much I bugged people I didn't like
01:43:04
Nathan Ry I really enjoy his style like from IC TV and through the sports uh the
01:43:09
way that he and Oscar delivered um Sports art and the um Super Rugby shows that they did as well I really enjoyed
01:43:17
how they like Jeremy Wells um his sense of humor and his delivery um I watched a
01:43:24
lot of sports center when I was a kid growing up and wanted like seeing how they delivered their highlights and what
01:43:30
they said and just little bits and pieces like that so there wasn't really any mentors per se Tony Johnson's been
01:43:36
really good lately he's reached out about Rugby Commentary and said if there's anything I can help with just
01:43:40
let me know let's meet up this is true the fat which is really cool and I think
01:43:45
Sky's gotten better lately I've created an environment where when all we're all
01:43:51
in the same boat Let's help each other as as well which is cool yeah Tony Johnson's great he like I've met him on
01:43:57
the podcast and he's retirement age and he's still really driven I've got NBO
01:44:01
coming next week for one and he's in his 70s selito he's he's been in here a few
01:44:06
times and just the way that he's adapted to YouTube and can see the growth of you
01:44:11
know YouTube and sort of micro audiences in the future like the I I find all these guys super inspiring like their
01:44:18
age and that they're still that driven it's really cool yeah Rood R's missing
01:44:22
around not missing but he was doing shows on Facebook live while he was doing crowd like he really saw the the
01:44:27
the power of Their audience where you go live and then hopefully like I show speed you get 33 million subscribers
01:44:35
what the [ __ ] but also I don't know if I want to do 6 hours of content every day
01:44:39
like that just to get um the algorithm serving you so I mean obviously he's a
01:44:44
millionaire he's done so well I show speed probably Rickers as well to be honest um but yeah it's like big returns
01:44:52
you know big Investments too I I show speed I watched a couple of hours of that the other day I found it strangely
01:44:58
captivating just watching him in a car and talking about whether they're going
01:45:01
to go and crash some school on the North Shore we we we inadvertently annoyed iow
01:45:07
speed fans on Monday talking about iow speed like we they said you disrespected him and it's like you like he's here
01:45:17
illegally working on a Visa he's on a holiday Visa and he's stilling his dve
01:45:21
like that's a great story at the moment the will be upset that this this YouTube
01:45:25
star is here but you know that's I mean it's great that that I show speed
01:45:29
viewers are also watching Linea TV yeah probably not any longer now now we now we said that he's um he he is a a
01:45:38
YouTube YouTube streamer yeah the the um I sped highlight for me was probably Dan
01:45:42
hooker giving him a really [ __ ] good hiding don't [ __ ] with Dan hooker man
01:45:46
out of all of them Dan hooker is the one you don't want to fight he looks so
01:45:49
happy when he's punching people Dan hooker is built different he's amazing I
01:45:53
love Dan hooker what's the weirdest piece of listener feedback you've ever
01:45:57
received is there anything that Springs to mind weirdest piece you do you you do
01:46:02
develop um quite a thick skin a and become immune to it yeah you you do H just nothing weird just when I started
01:46:09
at the Rock just you got these messages on Facebook from these listeners who just just broke down why you were just
01:46:16
[ __ ] or what you look like or how you didn't fit and and you go oh my God that's so that's so damning it's so raw
01:46:25
like where are you in your life that you have to feel compelled to and I get it because you've come onto their radio
01:46:30
station and you and I'm not the person you would have expected to fill that role so I get it but not weird stuff
01:46:38
yeah I'd have to have a think about that yeah that's that's um but that's that's
01:46:43
so brutal I suppose it's like you were talking at the beginning of this chat
01:46:46
about in New Zealand and how like it's you it's a national carrier so people
01:46:49
have a sense of ownership maybe it's the same with the rock as well it is so
01:46:53
invested in the brand which I respect then that's that's great like we would
01:46:57
get I remember one better feedback we got with Mark and I and crowd and this guy wrote a letter and he wrote this
01:47:04
really well-worded well-crafted letter and he used the word to describe me as supercilious and he was bang on I was
01:47:12
definitely supercilious what do that mean it means sarcastic cuz I had to look it up I had to I had to look up
01:47:18
what but it was wasn't an email or letter no it was a letter he wrote a letter he typed it up and then he didn't
01:47:25
put a return address on or anything that was an email actually but he used his work email and on his work email he had
01:47:32
his email footer and it had his direct dial so I rang him I rang him on his direct dial and he answered and I I just
01:47:39
said get day it's Andrew Mulligan here from the crowd guys wild how are you yeah I'm good thank you and I was like
01:47:46
some sort of joke what is he ringing me here and I said I just want to talk to you if you got a moment I just want to
01:47:51
talk to you about the letter the email you sent me and Mark about our show it was like oh W well yeah okay what well
01:47:59
what part of it and he got a little bit defensive and I just read it out like what part of what part of this don't you
01:48:05
don't you understand about our show like this is we're pest we get it you might
01:48:08
think I'm this XYZ and he goes how did you get how did you get my direct dial I
01:48:14
said you sent it from your work email and I see you've got a master's degree
01:48:18
because it's after your name on your email footer how dumb are you you've got
01:48:23
a master's degree did you not think I'd ring you yeah I really enjoyed that well
01:48:28
that's good did he apologize in the end no no I basically hung up on them yeah
01:48:33
yeah [ __ ] did you have the shakes afterwards after oh yeah it was exhilarating it was so good it was so
01:48:40
and people in the office in the crowd office were like he's ringing them and
01:48:44
they're like getting closer and close listening to the conversation that's
01:48:47
brilliant yeah um what Legacy do you hope to leave in the world of broadcasting um I yeah I don't know maybe just that
01:48:57
he had a he had fun and that there are people who watched who wanted to do and be like the career that I've had yeah I
01:49:06
don't think i' really need to feel like I have to leave a legacy per se I don't
01:49:11
think I've ever got into it to leave a legacy but I'm I'm really proud of the
01:49:15
body of work that I've had so far um and so if I've inspired anyone and there's
01:49:20
been people have reached out whove you know not not many at all to be honest but they when they do it's like oh good
01:49:26
on you because I never would have done that and for you to take the time and um to reach out and say kind things and ask
01:49:32
questions then I'm more than happy to return the favor because good on you because it's a it's a small Market that
01:49:38
we Opera in right and there's not many opportunities and if you wanted to be a
01:49:42
reporter or journalist you know broadcasting school really has to adapt to a changing environment especially if
01:49:49
you're a journo there's fewer and fewer um journalism roles available anymore
01:49:54
you know and you have to become a content creator like I show speed yeah yeah well you're doing the right thing
01:50:02
like before when you talked about your substack stuff like um building up like a a personal content creation brand
01:50:08
while you're still employed is the best time to do it you got to go through that
01:50:11
pain period of growing it yeah like I've got 165 people following me and four of
01:50:17
them have actually paid money for me to do it so now I feel obligated to continue but it's like
01:50:23
are are you being honest or are you being self-deprecating about the no there how many people I have it's been
01:50:28
going since May and uh I've only really just dialed in on it last few because
01:50:34
you're right you do have to you do have to be a brand but not a brand but it
01:50:39
just you do have to keep going and as you say It's Growing Pains but hopefully
01:50:44
somebody listening will want to dial in on the substack and be part of it because it is a community because you
01:50:50
know the ex Twitter stuff's gone I used to be really active on that and I just
01:50:54
regressed and Instagram I don't really like talking down the phone which is ironic because you know you talking to a
01:51:01
camera or talking to a microphone I just find that stuff it's not me um so I
01:51:06
don't really I just reshare a lot of stuff to my story without having a personal take on stuff um so yeah I just
01:51:12
find yeah I find that is important to be able to maintain a little bit of um your
01:51:18
own self entity yeah 100% well whatever you're doing it's working I is there
01:51:22
anything in media that you haven't done that you want to do um no not really to be honest I'm very
01:51:29
lucky in that respect that I've had a really great career so far and I'm
01:51:34
really proud of it and I think I'm really happy with how it's going at the
01:51:38
moment things are always changing um and it's when they change I've just I
01:51:44
learned from people where things haven't worked out or they have had to Pivot and
01:51:49
change and it's it's obviously really confronting for and i' I want to leave I
01:51:54
don't want to leave with a s a bad taste in my mouth and it will I'll be really
01:51:58
disappointed if things don't work out and you lose opportunities but then just
01:52:03
got to carry on and get on with it and and not dwell and not be bitter um about that because you just look back and
01:52:08
think oh we've had great time I've had a great time I'm very lucky to do what I
01:52:12
did but now it's another door closes another door opens and make sure that you sort of move in a direction where
01:52:18
you're happy with what you've left behind I think that's a great great
01:52:22
place to end it it's a great attitude to have yeah thanks hey this has been so
01:52:26
much fun today like two hours yeah it's been a long time yeah time just goes the
01:52:30
way it's been really good and I yeah thanks for sharing the stuff about um about your dad in particular um I'm sure
01:52:36
that stuff's not there's a lot of people who would listen have lost a loved one
01:52:39
especially like a father or or a mother well something we like we're all going
01:52:43
to face and confront at some point and it's and I really I haven't actually
01:52:46
talked about it a whole lot and I maybe out of respect to mom and my sister because then you know they're dealing
01:52:53
with they still process it as well but um on the flip side of that I think um I don't know I'm probably projecting here
01:53:00
but when I die I just wouldn't want to be forgotten at least not for a while
01:53:04
exact about talking about your dad and keeping his memory alive yeah yeah no you're right though it's probably a good
01:53:09
thing to keep going especially for my kids as well they can listen if they choose to that about what their Grandad
01:53:17
was like because they never got to meet him really my 10-year-old did but then he was was it 2017 so he would have been
01:53:24
like wouldn't even been four when he died so he barely remembers him yeah yeah he well Andrew Mulligan one of the
01:53:30
one of the greats one of the nice guys thanks thanks so much for coming on the podcast today thanks for having me mate
01:53:35
I really appreciate it