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first. >> Barbara, >> hi. >> Welcome to my podcast. >> Thank you for having me.
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>> Straight away, I'm excited because this is going to be chaotic, I think.
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So, um, some people might might be watching this on YouTube, others will just be listening to it on Spotify,
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Apple, wherever. Um, but you're wearing a a blue wig. So, I greeted you at the
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car. Uh you came out, your hair looked nice and normal to me and then you put this um blue like two two look sharp wig
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on like a $2 shop wig. Yes. >> And you said because your hair is so bad. >> Uh because I cut it on stage. I shaved
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it >> and if my grandma sees me flaunting that around I will not be in her good books.
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>> Why did you So you've been doing a show for the um the comedy fest called Pure
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Mature. >> Yes. >> And was was this the the final night thing you came here? kind of just a
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bye-bye because I haven't written for a long time my own stuff. So, >> right. Well, was it was it pre It must
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have been premeditated, right? Because you had scissors. You need >> I didn't just shave my head. I planned
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to shave my head. Yeah. >> Right. So, you saved it for the last night. Yes.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What? How did that fit into the show? >> Uh, so I wrote a skit about a princess
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who's being sold off to central Oakland um to get rations to Feder Kingdom because there's a war waging. Um, and
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then she falls in love with a servant boy from Riawa and her father banishes her from the kingdom for it and she
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shaves her head. >> Do you cuz you you've got um a lot of people know you as um Tina from Turners.
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Yes. >> Do you need to do you need to speak to anyone before you make a drastic
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appearance change like cutting your hair? >> I didn't even think about that.
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>> Maybe Okay. All right. Oh, this is going to be so much fun. Oh, by the way, yes. So,
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the the Tina from Turners thing I heard I I read I've read and heard just about
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every other thing you've been on and some of the chats you've had. Um, you
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said you're not allowed to talk about that due to contractual obligations. >> Well, I think now I can talk about it.
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Before I couldn't because the illusion was that Cena worked at Turners. Right.
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>> Didn't put that out there, but kind of the public were like, "Okay,
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>> I must admit, I put on my Instagram yesterday that um that Bubba's coming in
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for a chat. And does anyone have any questions?" There were three different
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people that were like in the comments, "Wait, that's her name's not really."
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People are really surprised. >> I know. And there was a bit of an uproar when people found out. So that's why we
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couldn't talk about it too much. We had to drip feed it in. >> It was too much for New Zealand to
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handle. >> Yeah. Which is nice. Thank you guys for being so supportive. >> Yeah. How how has that role um impacted
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or changed your life? >> Weird. I just thought my big break would be some Hollywood movie and it's a car
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ad. Um and it just I don't know kind of I'm sitting at your podcast right now.
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It did that for me. Just plummeted me into mainstream media. >> Yeah. And I Yeah. We we'll unpack a lot
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of this um a lot later on. Um but I think part of the amazing thing for me is like there's so much saturation now
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in the media and the advertising market. So to have an ad that has that sort of cut through, it's um it's it's rare.
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It's pretty special. Like there's you and the Brisco lady and that's it.
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>> Oh. Oh my gosh. I'm coming for it. >> All right. So who is Bubba?
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>> Oh my god. I don't know. Um, I am a kid from I'm not a kid anymore. I'm 28. E.
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Uh, how old are you? >> I'm old as [ __ ] I'm 52. >> Oh, yeah. Well, you're still a kid, so
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act like a kid. >> Even let me I'll tell you something. Even when you get to your 50s, there's
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still moments where you feel like a little kid. >> Yeah, >> it's really weird.
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>> I think they'll ever lose that. >> You came out like this, Bubba.
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>> Good sign. Uh, I think I was just trying to matching match the energy that I
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thought you'd have because all I know about you is what of you know, basically
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what's on screen. >> Oh, what what do you think? What do you think about me?
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>> I think you're super high energy. >> Yeah. But then researching about you, I
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think you're quite introspective as well. Like um >> Yes. >> You Oh, you've got an iPhone now, but
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like an interview I read from you like a couple of years ago, you >> you made a call to get rid of your
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iPhone and just get like a a brick phone or a dumb phone, whatever you want to call it. One that you could only text
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on. Couldn't even do emojis. No. >> So, you're completely off grid.
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>> Yeah. >> I think >> Yeah. Which seems um >> Yeah. And and now you're moving to
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Samoa. You're moving back to Samoa to go get even more off grid. And it seems to
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me um especially in the in the industry that you're in, you know, that comedy
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and art sort of industry like there's that real sort of hustle culture. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like
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there's nothing wrong with people being driven. >> Um but you you just don't give a [ __ ]
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>> Well, I don't know. I don't It doesn't really bother me. I I can join the
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hustle, but I really want to go to some more. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's really
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inspiring and interesting. >> Why? >> Well, it Well, it just is because like a
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lot of people um a lot of your peers are probably like, "Well, you know, you've
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got this momentum. You know, you're doing your comedy show, you've got you
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Tina from Turners. Now's the time. Now's the time to stay stay in Oakuckland.
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Stay in the hub. Stay where the action is." >> I've heard that quite a bit. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But you're doing your own thing. Yeah,
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if I think about sour and waking up to the water, I have no struggle choosing what to do.
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>> And um Yeah. So, what will a day look like in Samoa? >> 7 a.m. karaoke, I heard.
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>> Yes. Yes. 7 anything goes in Samo. You wake up karaoke. The goal is kind of
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just to get dinner. So, you're either fishing or on the plantation. It's just so you have enough to make
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dinner. That's it. There's no other kind of like hustle and bustle that's over
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here. >> It's a real simple and pure way of life, isn't it? >> Yeah. And everyone's happy. Everyone's
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like, "Hey, how are you since yesterday?" It's really good. >> Yeah.
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>> Cuz I've been there. Yeah. What would your stresses be over there? Your
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day-to-day stresses like compared to say here. >> I don't know that the sun's burning too
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hot, so we got to get food quickly. That's probably the only stress. I feel no stress like that.
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>> And you're staying in your your your grandparents village? >> Yes, in my grandpa's village in Ukali
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Samo. So it's the village that he it's the land that he was raised on. So when
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I think about my footprints going on after his footprints, >> it's kind of special, eh?
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>> Yeah. >> So So you wake up in the morning, do some karaoke, connect with your family,
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work or fish, whatever you happen to do that day, then come back to the village,
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play touch rugby and volleyball. Yes. Oh my gosh. Have you been >> twice? Oh, you know, not really though.
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Like just aggy grays. But um I love I love summer and I love the vibe and uh I I was never tempted to eat the fish
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that's hanging out the front of people's beach with flies on >> when you heat it. It'll kill all the
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bacteria. You're fine. >> But it always it struck me both times like why why doesn't someone win like
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gold medals for the volleyball and stuff? Cuz everyone goes back to the village and plays volleyball. Okay.
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>> Yeah. All the time. It's volleyball or rugby. >> I don't play. I I get in trouble
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>> cuz I'm not good at it. >> So, what you your agents like Johnson
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and Lead, what have they what have they said? Are they are they bothered by it? Like you're one of their big clients, I
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guess. Did they try and talk you out of it? >> No, they just support. They know I love
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Sour, so they just >> they also know I'm not going to do what I like. If I want to do something, I'm
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going to do it. Yeah. >> So, they just supported me. They still are. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. You do love You've even got like the Samoa 685 tattoo on your
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>> stalk me. >> Yeah. You're actually quite hard to stalk because you So, you're on
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Instagram, but your Instagram handle is King. >> Oh, King Ulavali. >> Yeah. Why?
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>> Uh Uli means naughty, >> right? Why Why didn't you go with um
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Laba? It was like one of the I made it so long ago when I was young and then it just stuck as I people just found my
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Instagram, >> right? It's like you really don't want to be don't want to be famous or
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it's really it's it's refreshing. It's fascinating. Okay, so what else we
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Oh, are you still working at Tony's steakhouse? >> Not anymore, but I Yeah, that was my
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I love Tony's. Have you been? Yeah, it's like the um it's just around the corner
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from the Civic in Oakland Queen Street. Well, >> the oldest um restaurant in Oakland, I
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think. >> And you you were working there while you were Tina from Turners on TV.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> When did you >> I made great tips off that.
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>> I mean, this is this is the life of um like a a you know, a comedian or you
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know, a performer in New Zealand, isn't it? Like you need these jobs to supplement your income.
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>> I also needed it for my own sanity. Like I think our industry is so fast-paced.
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Working at Tony's and you know seeing people argue over tomato sauce I was like this is what I want is I want to
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argue with tomato sauce. I don't want to argue over kind of all the big ideas the
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industry's. I don't know. I feel like industry has made up some issues. Oh like the um the performing arts
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industry. Is that a hot take? >> Don't worry. You're going to Samoa. You
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won't you won't be here for the backlash. Um okay. What else have we got? Oh, you've got another show called
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Don't launching on TV and Zed soon. >> Yes. Uh that's Greenstone. That's uh I
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think I did I audition? I just auditioned and then posted it. >> Right. >> They Yeah. What is it about? I should
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know this. It's about uh just pregnancy, marriage, having kids uh at this kind of
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age and all the options that there are. >> Right. Oh, and you got a Taskmaster
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tattoo as well. That's another big part of the Bubba story. >> So, Taskmaster the TV show.
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>> I don't know why people think that's fake. >> They're with me all the time.
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>> That's Ray Ori. Who's that? Is that Chris Parker? No. >> Karen.
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>> Oh, is that Karen Ol? >> It's Karen Ori. >> That is That is not a slide on Karen or
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Chris. That's um That says more about the tattoo artist. Who's that? >> Melanie Bracewood.
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>> Melanie Brace and Wood. Yeah. Right. Why did Why did you do that? Do you regret
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it? >> No, I love it. The task was uh do something unbelievable and I just met
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them. So, I got them. >> That's a hell of a commitment. Did it shock everyone? Did anyone try and talk
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you out of it? >> Uh, no. Well, I Yeah, I went to production and I was like, "You guys got
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to pay for this cuz I want all my tasks to be under $10." So, maybe production,
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but they ended up paying for it. And what about your family's reaction? >> Uh, they they know me.
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>> Oh my god. My god. >> No, they're not surprised at all ever. >> And how did how did that go? Like did
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did you go viral with that? That get sort of picked up by international media or
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>> Yeah. I I think Taskmaster Taskmaster has its own fandom. So the UK fandom
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went nuts for it, >> right? >> Yeah. >> It's next level. >> Yeah. Maybe I'll get a tattoo of you
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next. >> Oh, would you? If I pay, >> if you paid for it, I would. >> Um, I've got a quote here. Uh, you
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talking about moving back to Samoa. Um, the quote I heard was, uh, to find personal fulfillment.
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Did you say that? >> Did I say that? >> Yeah. Or maybe it's a journalist
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paraphrasing. Um, but then there was a quote from you. Uh, no one's arguing about silly things and debating online.
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No one cares and I don't either. So, I fit right in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that's just cuz I get when
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I get interviewed, people ask me about the big issues and I'm like, I'm a
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comedian, dude. I don't know. >> What do you worry about? >> Uh, what do I worry about? Uh,
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I think that's a worry for me is sometimes with social media, there's a lot of
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people getting lost in being the savior. And so, they start to make up issues so
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they can save the people from that. And then they convince the young Jen that these issues are real. so they can come
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in and be the savior. And sometimes I'm like, just go outside and touch the grass and look around and
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feel in here. I don't know how to explain that. >> It's quite it's quite I know what you're
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saying. It's quite a wise way of thinking. >> I mean, because there are real issues. I
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get it. Like there's real issues, but you can't find them if you're making up stuff.
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>> Yeah. And I can see why this move back to some would be good for good for your
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soul, good for your mental health. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Is that is is that part of the
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reason? Is it mental health related or no? Would you >> It's fully about sour. Like I just love
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sour. It's just a bonus that I get to leave from all this air fair stuff. >> But you were born here, eh? You were
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born in New Zealand. I >> was born here. >> Um but you've you've been to some
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numerous occasions. Yeah. >> And stay for like two months at a time. >> So you when you go there, you just feel
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like your heart belongs there. >> Yeah. I just feel really grounded and everyone's
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I don't know. I >> Your family's here though. >> Yes, I've got family. They would love to
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come over. They just obviously can't. They've been westernized too much. They
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can't go back. >> What does that mean? >> Like they're going to miss, you know,
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coffees and whatever in the >> coffees. They could go to Aggie Grace and get
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um how's that hair working up here? Is it or is it okay? >> I think it's pretty good. I think it's
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doing me well. >> If you're happy, I'm happy. It's And it's getting strains all over your
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>> Oh, that's okay. >> How How bad is your hair? You better leave me alone.
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>> Okay. If you're happy, I'm happy. >> I am happy. >> All right. So, let's go back to the
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early years. So, um uh your family calls you Bubba, but your real name is, let me see if I can get
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this correct. Sienn Tani Leo Oolo. >> Beautiful. >> Yeah. And that's your grandmother's
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name? >> My grandmother's name is Tieni and that means Jane. Tani is from my godmother uh
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Mivun from Fatafi. And then Leo Olo is my grandpa's chief title. My great-grandpa's chief title. He came
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from China to Samour and then settled down with my great grandma. >> So everyone in the family just calls you
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Bubba because you're you you're actually the eldest of the family. >> Yes.
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>> But you the first baby along. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So that's just sort of stuck.
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>> Yeah. >> So in like say primary school, preschool, all that stuff, people just
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called you Bubba. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> So who calls you CNI? Like it's there's been certain times
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where I've walked into a place and been like I've got to be professional so let
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me use my government name. >> So just like those people. Yeah. Maybe my theater company still calls me Sienn.
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But that's it. >> What your parents if you're in trouble or >> No. No one. No one.
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>> No one. >> Unreal. >> Yeah. >> So you're born in Mongade uh in South
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Oakland. What What are your earliest memories? >> Uh what did I do? Earliest memories? Uh
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I was raised with my grandpa's siblings, grandkids as well. So like just family
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all the time. Very family orientated. Uh and then just mis mischief. Little bit of mischief.
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>> Like what? >> Like >> like what sort of age would the mischief?
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>> Like pretty young. Like even four. >> Okay. Well, that's not mischief.
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Mischief. >> Yeah. See, I think when you say mischief, it's like if you say, "Oh, 13 to 18," I'm I'm
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thinking something different to like a foury old. >> Oh, well, when I was mischief at four,
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>> when I was four, uh, I lit the mattress on fire um and burnt the garage to the
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ground and didn't tell anyone. >> What What do you mean? So, what did they
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think happened? >> So, they they I don't I just went inside and started watching TV like nothing
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happened, but the garage was on fire. I was like, but I was like, what happens if I do this? And then when it started
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going really bad, I was like, damn. >> So you, why didn't you think I don't
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know if you can remember back this far, but why didn't why didn't you think to
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go inside and say, hey guys, [ __ ] >> I knew I was going to get my ass beat. I
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was like, oh [ __ ] let me pretend something else happened. >> So when when at what point did you come
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clean? >> They already knew. They took one look at the garage and one look at me watching
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TV and knew it was me. And um yeah, what did discipline look like in your household?
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>> Uh like discipline like I also Yeah. So I think I was disciplined well where I understood why
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I was getting in trouble. Mhm. >> So, I did have um my uncles always explained to me like and my grandpa
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always explained why I got in trouble. >> Mhm. >> And I would see it in that way and I'm
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like, damn, I'll be doing some dumb [ __ ] sometimes. >> So, um Yeah. So, you you get like um
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like a belt a belt or a hand or smack. >> Oh, I got hands. >> Yeah, >> I got it. I'm someone man. I got it.
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>> From from who? just like anyone in the family or >> I think all the adults,
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>> right? >> But yeah, I know that's going to be touchy when this comes up, but it's I
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got I got good >> It's Pacific Island, right? >> Good hiding. >> Yeah,
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>> not abuse. I didn't get cuz I I know what abuse is and that wasn't what I
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>> but like under the 2025 lens, it's all considered abuse. I I was raised in a
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household where Yeah. We were we were smacked all the time, but it was it was mainly dad that did it. So I remember
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being like four or five years old and we'd do something and during the day mom
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would be like wait until your father gets home and then hours later we'd be getting like whacked on the ass. Like at
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that age you couldn't even remember what you did that was wrong. >> True. But also it did get if you're
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unsafe and you know touching a boiling pot and you get a smack, you'll never
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touch it again. >> Yeah, that's true. That's true. Fair enough. Um
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yes. So you're the oldest of four. There's four sisters. I have four sisters.
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>> Yeah. Yep. >> Three sisters plus you. >> I have four sisters. Four sisters plus
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you. >> They're all girly girls and they're very reserved actually. Yeah.
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Compared to me. Very reserved. Uh and they're all like if they saw this they
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would be spewing >> cuz they're so well put together. They don't leave the house in pajamas. Like
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>> I jumped in the car one time and one of my cousins was like you're not going out
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like that. It's one or the other. So, choose which one. And it was between my
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hus and my gum boots. >> How did you end up so different to everyone else in the family?
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>> I don't know. I don't know. I How did you end up like you? I think it just
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>> Some people are just wired. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, what um what role
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did humor play in your household, if anything at all? >> I think that's how we talk. I think
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that's our language. It's like we never answer seriously. It's like uh
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it's always sarcasm and like roasting all the time. You know, you know, islanders, we like to roast each other.
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>> I I I heard you talk about this in another podcast and I um I honestly feel
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like I belong um like this. I do. I do. Yeah. Roasting is kind of like my love language and I've realized that there's
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friends that I just I can't do it with because they're too sensitive. Oh,
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>> I think roasting's good because you're laughing at yourself. >> Yeah. And if it comes from a place of
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love and it's from someone that you know loves you, then Yeah. >> I can't roast you if I hate you cuz like
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I It won't come out like it'll be serious. I'll be dead serious. >> So, what did you dream of doing when you
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were little? >> Um, I want to be a cashier. That was it. >> At where? Uh, I just remember always
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doing the beep beep and and you know beeping the cashier thing and then sometimes I would put on performances
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for my family. So maybe I did want to be an actor. >> So you had that sort of performance
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gene. Um, and did it start with church skits? >> Definitely. Yep. A thousand% started in
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Sunday school, White Sunday. Um, and then I started my pastor just let me kind of take the reigns and host
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white Sundays and Easter services. So I would take the whole youth and I'd have
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people in there older than me, but I would direct a big piece just like >> and you were just naturally good or you
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just really enjoyed it? >> I really enjoy it. Yeah. Still to this day enjoy it, love it.
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And what about your family when you said this is like a career you wanted to pursue?
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>> Uh I mean they were supportive but were they supportive cuz you know I came I'm going to be an
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actor you know there is a thing of like sure but I kept at it and I'm glad I
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did. I'm glad I didn't listen to people who told me no. >> Yes. There's reluctance in the
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beginning. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Of course. Yeah. >> Yeah. Why is that? They just
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You're right. She's pulling blue hairs from this wig out of her mouth. They
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just they they Well, they thought you should do have something more secure or >> Yeah. Uh
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cuz that thing's not secure. And it wasn't for for a while. And it was kind
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of when I did the backyard shows that it started popping off and then >> I started getting paid instead of
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working for exposure. Yeah. The the impression I I get from the research I've done is you're just
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not money driven at all. >> No, >> I just don't care. >> I really don't care.
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>> Yeah. And I I find that intriguing cuz Yeah. I wish I was more like that.
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Well, I grew like grew up broke and like even the last show we did, I was recommended to sell at 35, but I
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knew that people that can pay $35, I kind of didn't want them there. Like not
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didn't want them there, but I wanted people who couldn't afford it purely off
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their vibes because I broke is like a almost like a breed. like there's a breed of us and we kind
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of relate on this kind of pain of existence if we've been broke before. So, I wanted to talk to those people.
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So, I brought the tickets down um to $10 for Sons and 15 for brown people. And I'm so glad I did.
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>> What does What does that mean? >> Um I just little prejoke was I um bought
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the Anyone else has to pay $35 and then um brown people and sours got to pay $10
00:23:26
and $15. Well, I'm glad I did. Yeah. >> So, so you say um yeah, you identify as
00:23:33
broke or you grew up broke. What what does that sort of mean in real terms? >> Like Yeah. I wasn't um
00:23:41
just like we didn't have the luxuries like we used to pick onions for um money, you know, pay bills. That was
00:23:50
our school holidays. And that's a that was a reality for a lot of sour is we
00:23:53
all would meet up um at this place that just had rows and rows of onions and we'd be picking onions from morning till
00:24:00
night. You'd camp there >> picking onions and that would get some money to pay the bills. Uh and I was
00:24:05
talking about that with one of my friends and she was like oh my god yeah we had to pick strawberries and I was
00:24:10
like what a [ __ ] luxury picking strawberries. It's not this. And she was like yeah say before this car and I was
00:24:16
like but they already had a car. I was like, "Oh, so you're you're picking
00:24:20
strawberries for luxury." Like, it's not the same. >> Like, we're picking it to eat to get
00:24:25
food. >> Now, how many in your household? >> Uh, bunch of us grew up together. So, it
00:24:31
was me, my grandparents, parents, my mom's brothers, and their kids. Yes. >> So, like a dozen
00:24:43
14, 15 in a household? No. >> Oh my god. I have no idea how many kids there are. I think there's 13, 14 kids,
00:24:50
eight adults, >> 18 22. >> Yeah, but you take away like five of them cuz the the new five are new.
00:24:57
>> Okay. 17. So 17 houses. So you never you never had your own room? >> I ended up having my own room when um
00:25:04
one family moved out. Yeah. So one of the when we started getting older, then they moved out, started to move out. One
00:25:10
>> So So Oh, so it was like a family in each room. Um, no. It was my grandparents and all the kids in the
00:25:16
front and then the couples in the rooms. >> Right. How many bathrooms in the house?
00:25:20
Just the one. >> One. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, we would shower We would shower at
00:25:26
night for primary school. We would show at night and then wake up and um just get flannel
00:25:32
and then go to school like that, >> right? >> And and >> that's so much too much information.
00:25:39
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. It's it's really intriguing. It's real intriguing. And
00:25:43
it's sorry if I'm I'm a bit curious like I grew up in I suppose what you'd call
00:25:47
like just um >> like a very sort of middle middle class New Zealand background. I was in Palmer
00:25:52
North. I never had my own bedroom. We always live in a three-bedroom house. So it was me and my brother in a room, my
00:25:56
two sisters in a room, and mom and dad in a room. Always one bathroom. Um but that was um that was very normal. And
00:26:01
I'd go to other kids' house and they'd have their own room or they'd have like
00:26:04
nice chocolate biscuits or nice meat for dinner and I'd be like, "Whoa."
00:26:09
So, did did you is this um like a money thing that you're living with that many
00:26:13
family members or is it just a Samoan thing where you want the family to be in the same
00:26:17
>> Yeah, it's such a like my whole street live like that cuz I always get asked
00:26:21
about this. I'm like everyone lives like that. I don't know why that's so weird.
00:26:27
>> No, but I suppose like the the life that you're moving to in Samoa like it's um
00:26:31
>> that the villages are very big though are and there's open open wall sort of
00:26:36
hall buildings. What are they called? the >> the folly o so they're >> f yeah but there's a difference to to to
00:26:42
I suppose living like that and being in like a very small yeah three fourbedroom
00:26:46
house in South Oakland >> yeah but I think because it's intergenerational we see I haven't
00:26:52
learned that route because people have asked me about it but oh my gosh so yeah it was just you live
00:27:01
we look after each other so like we live with our grandparents because we look after our grandparents and And I guess
00:27:08
it'll continue. It's like the circle of life where we just look after each
00:27:11
other. >> There's something really pure about that. There's something really beautiful
00:27:15
about it. Whereas the the Palangi way like we grow up, we leave home as soon as we can and then we turn our back on
00:27:20
our on the elders. >> Yeah. I've seen Palangi friends argue with their parents. I'm like, damn.
00:27:26
>> Oh, really? Like you just wouldn't you wouldn't have the courage.
00:27:28
>> I'm uncomfortable. >> Yeah. Even as an adult, you you still don't feel comfortable having
00:27:33
>> No. >> No. just argue. Yeah. Respect. I like they can like snap at their
00:27:40
parents. I feel like if I can talk to them like if need be, I can go serious and be
00:27:47
like, "Hey, can I chat to you about that?" But I can't snap or I will be in
00:27:52
immense trouble. >> What does immense trouble mean when you're like a an out like a grown woman?
00:27:59
>> It's like everyone will know like you know and hit me up about it and I'll be
00:28:02
like, "Yeah, [ __ ] embarrassing. >> Well, thanks for sharing. Sorry for
00:28:07
being so curious about all this stuff as well. It's like it's just a different
00:28:10
world. >> Um, do you remember your very first time on stage doing comedy? >> Yes. It was for 50 people in the cellar
00:28:20
and most of that was my family. Um, and I just remember being backstage like, "Oh my god, why did I put myself
00:28:29
up for this?" And it was literally seconds when I got out and I was like, "Yeah, yeah." And
00:28:34
then I don't know, feel like a demon tapped me and then took over. >> Wow. Just like at pace. And
00:28:42
>> yeah. Were you were you well prepared? >> Yes, I was. Yeah, I did prepare for that
00:28:47
show. Um, but still went off script like I f and that was the those are my favorite parts
00:28:55
was going off script. >> Did you nail it? >> I think so. Yeah, I think so.
00:29:01
I think. Yeah. >> Have Have you ever like bombed on stage terribly or do you just have like the
00:29:08
natural chops to punch your way out of a bad situation? >> Yes. And that's the beauty of that craft
00:29:13
is if you are dropping to be like, how do I get out of here? >> So, yep. Have been close.
00:29:20
>> But that's interesting for like a young comedian like um I'm pretty good friends
00:29:24
with uh Jeremy Corbett and I've seen him perform a number of occasions. Okay. So,
00:29:28
he he's old. He's like 60 now and he's been doing it forever. But he's been in
00:29:32
every scenario imaginable. Like, so he >> whether it's a corporate gig or a thing
00:29:36
on stage, he can always figure a way out. Figure figure a way to win a crowd over.
00:29:41
>> Yeah. >> Um but you've you've you've got that those tools in your tool kit already.
00:29:45
>> Oh, yeah. I love it. Yeah. I don't know what the tool is. I think >> you also have to listen. So, like I've
00:29:52
got to listen to the audience. It can't just be me performing. I actually have
00:29:55
to. This is so yuck. But just like the show is alive. So >> why is that so yuck?
00:30:02
>> Because it's so artsy fartsy, but it's so true. I'm like, "Oh my god, the show
00:30:05
is alive." >> And And what do you mean by that? Listening to the audience.
00:30:10
Like they're either laughing or they're not, right? Or >> like And like what vibe is it? Like the
00:30:15
show I just did, people were yelling out and I was like, "Oh, we're going there.
00:30:18
Okay, we're going to go toe to toe and roasting each other." They kept yelling
00:30:21
out and it was >> it was cool. >> Oh, so like people are heckling you and
00:30:25
you just heckle back. Yeah. And then because of their heckles, I was able to heckle
00:30:31
>> and win. >> What do you have some like set set heckles? >> No.
00:30:37
>> No. You just roll with it. >> Yeah. I think that's the worst thing to
00:30:40
do is plan, >> right? I think a lot of people do plan. Eh, it's become it's become a thing where
00:30:45
like if you just go if you go with what's of Isn't that called crowd work
00:30:48
now? They've come up with a name for it. Crowd work. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know if I could do crowd
00:30:54
work. I feel like if anyone could, you probably could. >> It just have to be.
00:31:02
>> Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I should have trained it. >> And did you What happened when you were
00:31:06
19? There was like a a panic attack or something on stage. An anxiety attack. >> Who? You
00:31:16
I read about this in an interview with you. Like there's there's some incident
00:31:19
when you when you were like 19 on stage. No, a good time at 19. No. >> Okay.
00:31:28
>> I don't know. >> I read that an interview somewhere. Oh, no. Maybe not.
00:31:33
>> No, I don't think I've had an anxiety attack before. >> No. Okay. Well, that's good.
00:31:37
>> Oh, >> okay. Misinformation. >> What? >> Fake news? >> Who's doing fake news about me?
00:31:43
>> So, 2020, um, you do the show, uh, Ode to South Oakland. >> Yes. >> Yeah. It was originally called some
00:31:51
something else something like more negative like um >> surviving >> surviving South Oakland or something.
00:31:56
Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So why did you change the name? >> Uh because so for my to South Oakland um
00:32:03
I found this little boy on Instagram. So his sister was posting up I was obviously um trying to explore stuff so
00:32:10
I could write it. And I found um the sister was uploading videos of her little brother and he was really
00:32:16
naughty. like the class is taking photos and he he's in the back like fighting
00:32:20
like fully fighting. Um so then I hoo her up and I was like can I hang out with your brother for a day? Like and
00:32:27
she actually gave him to me for one day. So I think >> How old was the brother? He
00:32:30
>> was four. >> But because we had a mutual friend, I was like I'm friends with this guy. Like
00:32:34
I'm not like creepy. I just I just want to hang out with him for a bit. Um and
00:32:38
then yeah, he came and met me at the preschool and one of my friends preschools and he was like she was like,
00:32:45
"You better behave." And he was going, "Yep, I will." And then as soon as she
00:32:48
left, he was like, "I'm bored." And I was like, "Oh, wo." And then he was
00:32:51
like, "Yeah, I don't want to be here, but she forced me to be here." And then
00:32:54
he just like this little honest boy came out. He was like, "Let's go for a walk."
00:32:57
And he wanted this bike just like I just had a really cool day with him. And then um I met these other
00:33:04
dudes doing raps on the streets and then I asked them if they wanted to be in the
00:33:09
show. So then by the end I just had a bunch of people and I got that little boy to come on stage and I just
00:33:15
interviewed him and he was like oh I was like oh give us a fun fact. He was like
00:33:19
Jesus died at 33. I'm like how'd you know that? He's like Siri. I was like oh
00:33:24
he's so good. And then and then I brought on the rappers and I was like you guys owe the rappers the same
00:33:30
respect that you just gave the little boy cuz that's who they are or who they
00:33:34
were or whatever or who this boy could grow up to be as these rappers. And then the rapper started rapping and the vibes
00:33:40
just went up and everyone was like, "Yeah." And so, yeah, that's what became
00:33:44
my That's a long story, but that's one of the reasons. >> Well, this is a long form podcast, so
00:33:48
there's plenty of time for these long stories. Yeah. But you'll be able to do
00:33:51
a better job explaining this show. So, this is a one-off show, owed to South Oakland.
00:33:55
>> Yeah. >> Um, and it was in the backyard of your house. >> Yes.
00:33:59
>> Yeah. So, why? >> Uh, because if it's my o to South Oakland, why not do it in South Oakland?
00:34:06
And I only know theater because I stumbled into a theater workshop and I love massive company and they opened me up to
00:34:13
this whole world. But that's the only reason that I know theater. If I had not
00:34:16
gone to that workshop, I don't know if I would go into a theater willingly. >> Yeah.
00:34:24
>> What do you do you feel have you done stuff at the classic? >> Yes, once.
00:34:30
>> Do you feel you don't feel like you belong there? Like a lot of people
00:34:32
>> like I can go in there, but like why would I go in there if the magic's in
00:34:36
South Oakland? M right. So, I might be paraphrasing here, but are you like um instead of having
00:34:44
your fans come to you, you may as well go to your fans? >> Yeah. Well, I don't think they're like
00:34:49
fans. I think they're like mates. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Just like a bunch of
00:34:54
I've constantly gone to the city and not been met. >> Oh, people don't get you or
00:35:00
>> like No, no, more like behind the scenes stuff. It's like there's obviously like cultural barriers
00:35:07
and stuff, but when I bring it home, it's so easy. I just show up to the backyard. People show bring their box
00:35:13
and we just have a little party and that's it. There's no rules, no like you
00:35:17
got to do this and that and whatever. It just happens and then it's one night and
00:35:21
it's over. >> So this this was only done once. This owed to South Oakland.
00:35:26
>> Was done once in the backyard and then I went to the basement with it. >> And how how long how long was the
00:35:31
buildup for that show? Uh, one week >> one week build up. How how did you advertise it or market it?
00:35:38
>> Uh, Instagram, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And then um did like were you scared in
00:35:43
the leadup to it like that it was going to be as popular as what it was? >> No, I don't. I just thought in my head
00:35:50
it was going to be like 50 people and I was going to be like this is weird. Haha. And then the streets shut out and
00:35:56
I was like oh wow people are walking from the streets over. >> Yeah. You end up with like 250 people
00:36:03
there. >> Yeah. >> So, so where was it? It was on your backyard. >> Yeah.
00:36:08
>> So, you were on a like a deck or was there a stage there? >> Cuz this is another thing. You you told
00:36:13
told no one that they allowed their cell phones and they had to be in the moment.
00:36:16
Um, which is wonderful, but on the flip side of that, it's also unfortunate because you got this incredible event
00:36:21
which was was a oneand done and there's not too much footage of it in existence.
00:36:27
Quite nice if it was. >> I don't think so. Like I was there. I know what happened and I'll know what
00:36:33
happened forever and so will the other people. >> I love your outlook. >> I just think Yeah.
00:36:41
>> I've got some more questions about this. Like where did everyone go to the
00:36:43
bathroom? >> In the house. So >> who like who did your family know know
00:36:50
that this was going on? >> Uh like three days before I was like uh guys please I'm going to go. No
00:36:56
actually. Yeah. When I posted the video, they were like, "What are you are you
00:36:59
doing a backup show here?" I was like, "Yes." And so then they just started
00:37:03
mowing lawns. They just got onto it >> and and where did everyone park >> or did the streets and then walked over?
00:37:12
So like it was just cars and cars. >> Did you get anyone from like the council
00:37:17
or the police trying to shut it down on >> No. >> No. >> Yeah.
00:37:23
>> It just happened. >> It's crazy. And there was no And there's
00:37:26
no chaos, no trouble, no fights, no nothing. It's a really good crowd. >> Yeah.
00:37:31
>> Crazy. And like nothing got taken from the house or >> No. >> Yeah.
00:37:38
>> It's just so many people to have in someone's backyard on an impromptu
00:37:43
night. >> Yeah. >> And and from your perspective, like what made the show so good?
00:37:48
um that it was gold coin which mean which opened it up to kind of everyone and that everyone came and just
00:38:03
I don't know it's like heaps of me cuz we all brought up in the same place so
00:38:07
it's like a bunch of us in the same place laughing. >> Yeah. Also just like having no I had no idea
00:38:15
like what it was going to become. That actually started my career I think. >> Yeah. How did that not make the news?
00:38:25
>> Cuz it's very private. >> No, but there was 250 people there.
00:38:30
Yeah. I know. It's it's it's it's crazy. It's intriguing. It's such a wonderful
00:38:33
concept. But I Yeah. I feel like it had to be just that moment in time. It had to be like a one a one-off thing.
00:38:39
>> Yeah. >> That's what makes it special. Um, and then during during co when you
00:38:44
know, do you remember the like the traffic light system and the different levels?
00:38:48
>> You were doing some really small shows. Hey, like shows for 10 people. >> Yeah. I wonder if I'll get in trouble
00:38:54
for that. I don't think so. >> No, I think you were like respecting the
00:38:57
rules they had at the time about gathering sizes and things. >> So, there was um Yeah. What were they?
00:39:02
There was one at a barber shop, one in one in your mate's sleepout. >> Yes. I did a South Oakland tour. So I
00:39:07
did one in Mangad Pep who at a barber shop um rewa in a sleep uh where was it one in Dawson in a shed.
00:39:20
Yeah just sort of South Oakland tour for 10 people only. It's really fun. >> How do you It is fun but how do you work
00:39:26
it how do you work a crowd that that small? >> I think it's really weird. It's It
00:39:33
already breaks the awkwardness that 10 of you are here and you've come listen
00:39:37
to me tell jokes. So I think it's we've already passed a little silly line. So I just
00:39:43
got to pick you up from that line. Yeah. >> Yeah. I suppose you just have to treat
00:39:49
it like the intimate crowd that it is. >> Yeah. >> So will you do shows like that in Samoa?
00:39:55
>> Uh I would love to do shows in Samoa. I just I want to go to Samoa just for a
00:39:59
month and just sleep >> and then figure out what I'm going to do after that.
00:40:04
>> Yeah, I've heard you say that. What do you mean? Are you just exhausted?
00:40:06
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm tired. [Laughter] I had a funeral and then I came back to
00:40:14
I was going to cancel the show, but I thought I'd want to say bye to Ali. So,
00:40:20
I came back to do the show and then went to Brisbane and then got back a few days
00:40:26
ago. My dog got sick. Had to catch up with some family. Did some ads this morning. Got you today. Got a premiere
00:40:33
tonight. Oh, >> okay. Yeah. >> Got a media day tomorrow. It's like go
00:40:37
go go. >> Right. Yeah, it is a lot. Yeah, cuz I I suppose I didn't think about something
00:40:41
like this as work, but it is it's you. It's It's a There's a >> Oh, it's not It's cool, but
00:40:46
>> No, but there's still a performative aspect to it for a couple of hours.
00:40:48
Like, you got to be on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks for being here today. >> No, thank I trust anyone that Cully
00:40:53
trusts. >> Oh, yeah. We'll get to that. Christian Cullen. Um, yeah, from Celebrity
00:40:58
Treasure Island. Um, just a few more on the comedy thing. So, yeah. What's your
00:41:02
writing style, prep style? Like, do you do you write a fresh show for all these like the the um the O to South Oakland,
00:41:08
the big one in the backyard, or these little ones that you're doing for 10 10
00:41:12
people? Is it the same show or do you >> uh No. So, when I explored, I literally
00:41:18
looked around and found that little boy and then the older boys and then wrote around that. um put some lip-s syncing
00:41:26
in there. Was lip-s syncing to a rapper, Lily Allen, I think it was. Um and then
00:41:32
it kind of all pieced together as just these beautiful stories woven together. Um and then
00:41:39
I usually write, but for the last one, I thought to freestyle my standup. So, I just went in knowing what to talk about,
00:41:46
like what stories to tell, and then had a bit of liquor. And then I even I was surprised at the punch lines. I was
00:41:54
like, "Oh my god, this is good." >> Do you do you think um Yeah. Does a
00:42:00
little bit of liquor help your performance? >> I've never drank like that before. I did
00:42:03
that for the last show. Was I was just in a like wow mood and so I did that and it went really well.
00:42:12
>> I might have to do that all the time. >> Um yeah. What What sort of stuff do you
00:42:15
do in your What's the most vulnerable thing you've talked about on stage?
00:42:19
Uh uh just this last one just was talking about stuff that I do in my room and I
00:42:27
still have a vivid imagination and actually go into characters in my room when I'm alone and then I showed it to
00:42:34
them on the stage. Yeah, cuz I don't think people think that that's real. Well, I've never told
00:42:39
anyone. >> Really? What do you mean? Can you explain that a bit more? >> Like I'll be in my room and then I'll
00:42:43
play some music and then I'll just like turn into a cyclist. I don't know. and
00:42:47
then start talking out loud >> saying >> no one's in there like >> Right.
00:42:53
>> So, who who do you live with now? You are you in your family home or No, you
00:42:57
live on your own with your dog. >> Uh, no, it's me and my dog and then my
00:43:01
siblings and my grandparents and my parents. >> Oh, okay. So, you've got your own room.
00:43:05
>> Yeah, I got a >> Yeah. Yeah. That's where you do the >> sleep. Yeah,
00:43:08
>> that's where you you do the performance. Um, >> what about your worst bombing on stage?
00:43:15
>> Ooh. Has there even been one or have you been able to well I'm trying to think
00:43:22
>> work your way out of it? >> No, I did a really I think um when it was
00:43:33
when I was at Snort and I came out I can't remember I said something really stupid like really
00:43:39
>> snort's like an improv comedy >> improv. Yeah. >> And I was like yeah let's go. And it was
00:43:44
like something like I can't remember what the line was. I said it and like the audience was
00:43:50
silent and I was like damn this I don't know these guys and they don't know me
00:43:55
and I've come out talking about freaking I don't know ass eating or something. It
00:43:58
was something stupid eating. >> Yeah. But it was silent and I was like okay. And Tom Sainsbury saved me. I
00:44:04
think it was Tom who came in and >> had my back. When when something like that happens, are you are you just like
00:44:11
in in a panic moment or is part of you thinking, oh, the fact that this bombed so badly is going to I'm going to talk
00:44:17
about this another time and it's going to make it funny. >> It's also funny cuz it's like of course
00:44:22
they don't know me. Why would I come out with that? >> Can you remember what the line was?
00:44:27
>> It was something like a like you know it was something stupid and I just came and
00:44:31
oneelined it and then I and I was like and it was silent and I was like oh [ __ ]
00:44:36
that's right. So that's the moment you leave the room. Like it's not an ass
00:44:40
crowd. Um, how does how does your family react to content? Like do they ever feel
00:44:45
like exposed or like embarrassed? Do they like you stop telling stories about us or are they quite encouraging and
00:44:52
supportive? >> No, I don't think they even they just think it's so they're having a laugh as
00:44:56
well. I think it's uh about how you share certain stories. Like I haven't
00:45:00
got in trouble for sharing any >> Yeah. stories about my family yet. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, they're quite supportive
00:45:07
now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they're quite happy with your career path.
00:45:12
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think so. >> Um, is there one joke that you regret telling on stage?
00:45:19
>> No. >> I I heard you in another podcast talking about um and you didn't say you
00:45:24
regretted it, but um apparently the crowd turned on you. You told some Kobe Bryant joke or something.
00:45:30
>> Kobe Bryant helicopter crash. >> They turned on me up. So, the crowd in
00:45:33
there like loved it. It was after it was the aftermath. I posted a short uh clip
00:45:38
and then they went ham for me in the comments. Then again I was like why are you calm down everyone calm down and I
00:45:44
removed it. Another thing like everyone went ham. They were like I will come kill your family.
00:45:50
>> Yeah. >> Oh they take it really serious. >> Oh yeah. >> Wow.
00:45:53
>> I was like wow. >> Did they know Kobe personally? >> I was like wow. Okay. Kobe's nephews.
00:45:59
>> Um yeah. Well, are you is that something that plays on your mind like cancellation or the fear of cancel
00:46:04
culture or >> you can't cancel a human? >> Like I will still be alive.
00:46:11
>> Well, have to keep going. Doesn't >> Yeah. I think you can be so chill about
00:46:16
that cuz you got such a good grasp on it like um it's not like what you do doesn't define who you are.
00:46:22
>> No. But also people are always learning. Like I think counseling stops people
00:46:26
like it doesn't give them the chance to learn or >> overcome something.
00:46:32
>> Yeah. >> Unless they're a real dicky. It's like >> Yeah. Keep doing the same joke over and
00:46:37
over again. It's like >> Yeah. Otherwise, it should be a teaching exercise.
00:46:41
>> Is that part of the reason you largely sort of avoid social media? >> Just the [ __ ]
00:46:48
>> Yeah. I don't really care to take photos of food or I don't know.
00:46:56
But a lot of people um a lot of people use it as like a like an extension of your personal brand, like a branding
00:47:02
exercise. Yeah. >> Um >> it looks like a necessary tool to have to get, you know, to get the jobs or to
00:47:09
promote what you've got to promote. But you just seem sort of indifferent about
00:47:11
it. >> I feel that if you have shows, it's the producers's job to promote. It's
00:47:17
production's job to promote. It's not mine. I'm gonna get a show. I just, you know,
00:47:24
like when I promote my own shows, I'm literally I'm the director, the producer
00:47:29
there, so I promote my own shows, but then other people's shows, I'm like,
00:47:33
>> I shouldn't have to bombard my No, I look it looks like a work page. I'm
00:47:37
like, "Hey guys." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But then people that follow you
00:47:40
are people that love you. So it's like fish in a barrel. So you can be like,
00:47:43
"Hey guys." And they're like, "Yeah, we'll travel to >> wherever she's putting a show on."
00:47:48
But then also like my family's on there and I want to post normal stuff, >> but I can't cuz now it's a work page.
00:47:56
>> Yeah. >> You're like such a reluctant celebrity. >> I love it. I love it. It's so
00:48:02
refreshing. All right, let's talk about the Tina from Turner stuff. >> Yes.
00:48:06
>> So, um, how did this come about? Was that a character that you did on your
00:48:11
shows or >> No, I that was all scripted, so I auditioned for it. So, do do you have
00:48:16
anything to do with the writing or No, >> no, >> no. >> I auditioned for it late as well. So, I
00:48:20
came in I just saw it and was like there's no way that I'm going to get that um cuz it seemed
00:48:28
kind of out of grasp, you know, it's and I just started in the industry and then
00:48:32
went for the audition, got the call literally the next week. >> How many people did they audition? Do
00:48:37
you know? >> I have no idea, but they had they had someone set for it. So, they had someone
00:48:43
uh already ready to be Tina and then I sent my tape in late and then stole it. Send my tape in late.
00:48:56
Oh my god. Oh my god. John Le, like you must be such a headache. >> Um, so yeah, what did you do in the
00:49:04
audition? Did you record something on tape at home? Um, so they it was a No, it was with the director.
00:49:11
>> Yeah. >> But they my Johnson and Le pushed me to do it. I was like, "No, I don't want to
00:49:16
do it." And then Dennis who's at Johnson and Lead was like, "You have to do you
00:49:20
have to go for this one." So then I went and met with the director and I think I
00:49:23
was the last and late. Um, and then he was like, "Can you just make love to a
00:49:28
car?" I was like, "Fucking that's my dream." So I just made love to a car for 10
00:49:35
minutes and he was going that's amazing. >> So that that audition they they gave you
00:49:42
direction of what to do or was it >> Yeah. >> And and it was largely what we see on TV
00:49:47
now. >> Well then he they had sent me a script and I learned it and then that's what
00:49:53
you see on TV is the I saw the script and I was like I love this character. She's cuck.
00:50:01
Is there some story about your hair? Like you you you you had your hair a certain way for the audition, then you
00:50:06
got drunk and you >> Yeah. >> shaved your hair and you turned up for
00:50:08
What's the story there? >> That's exactly it. I had long hair down
00:50:12
to my like down here, long curly hair, auditioned and then got really drunk and shaved my head. I I I know it looks bad
00:50:20
cuz I'm wearing a wig now, but it's not a normal thing. I only did that one
00:50:24
time. Um, so is any of it improvised or is it all scripted or have they used any bits?
00:50:32
Is it scripted and there's been bits that you've improvised that end up making it on screen?
00:50:35
>> Yes. So there's like scripted parts and then that online everywhere.
00:50:40
>> M. >> They literally told me to tell everyone that online that it's online.
00:50:44
>> Yeah. >> And then we're like go. >> So So you do the ads and then um you you
00:50:50
get paid whatever money it is. Is it good good money? Reasonable money. >> I think they look after me. Yeah. What's
00:50:56
got to be better than doing >> so mafia? They look after me. >> Well, it's got to be it's got to be more
00:51:01
lucrative than doing shows for a gold coin donation and a mate sleep out. >> Yeah.
00:51:05
>> Um so you do the ad, it pays well then you just get on with your life. >> And like when are you aware of the
00:51:12
impact it's having? uh like the more people kept coming and then like the news were hitting me up but I
00:51:23
wasn't allowed to talk about turns at that time. So radio stations like a bunch of people were hitting me up and I
00:51:28
was like I actually can't come on. I'm not allowed to talk about it. And that's
00:51:31
when I realized wow this is kind of out of hand like getting when I get stopped. It was really weird
00:51:40
but people love it and I love people so I was like cool I'll take this photo but
00:51:44
it's really weird. >> Yeah. Was it was it fun or was it quite um unnerving? Like how how was it? Like
00:51:52
yeah, you you were so so famous when those ads came out. It >> was like Tina from Turners was
00:51:57
everywhere. And it's you. It's Bubba. >> Yeah. >> Just I don't know. Like
00:52:05
>> enjoyable or like a little bit Oh, >> yeah. I was a little like No, no, no.
00:52:09
That's not me. I'm actually She doesn't have blue hair. >> Exactly. So I would be like, "No, it's
00:52:15
not me. It's my sister." And and so what are people saying to you? Like
00:52:21
>> Oh, they it was so much love, you know. People were like, "We love those ads. We
00:52:25
like never skip it." And they would recite it back to me. So I learned to love it as well.
00:52:31
>> But you know, it's really it's weird for it to happen like that. Just people come
00:52:36
at you and want photos. And I'm not even like I'm acting like I'm Halle Berry,
00:52:41
but like I mean like >> No, no, no. No, as as I said at the beginning of this, it's like um
00:52:47
everyone's familiar with the Briscos lady and I feel like like Tina from Turners over the last few years has been
00:52:52
the like the the like the standout thing in advertising in New Zealand. Like it's
00:52:57
really had what you'd call cutth through like it's a marketer's dream.
00:53:00
>> That's weird. E. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It just in a big way. And I feel like
00:53:04
it's because people like the character which is you >> I think so. Yeah. I think they love.
00:53:09
We're also talking about it that it came out after co. So Tina coming out and
00:53:13
being like, "Hi guys, was something for New Zealand to love because we've just
00:53:19
gone through co." >> Any negative or is it all positive? >> I've had a few um older senior men come
00:53:26
in to sit me down and tell me what to do with my career, but that's it. That's
00:53:30
the only way. >> They're just like, "We don't like the ads. Uh horrible ads. Don't like them.
00:53:36
what you should do is go to um rewrite them and you can come out like they have a lot of advice. I'm like
00:53:42
okay >> is it giving you like >> why don't you go be Tina and then we'll
00:53:46
see we'll see what you come up with. >> Yeah. When was the realiz when was there
00:53:52
a moment that you realized that Tina had gone like full full-blown? >> I was like she's out of control. It's
00:53:56
gone. It's gone out of control. Um just literally of people if you'd walk
00:54:02
outside and a bunch of people would be like Tina but I'm kind of It's weirdly normal for people and it's
00:54:09
something that I love it for um Polynesians, you know, they're all like Tina, especially the elders,
00:54:15
they're all like we love her and so I'm really proud of that. >> And then um Tina Turner dies.
00:54:22
>> Yes. >> What's that like? >> Um that made the news. >> People in New Zealand were worried that
00:54:31
Latina from Turners had died. That's the first time I realized I was old. You know, when our parents tell us,
00:54:38
oh, you know, you like when they feel like they're old because we don't know
00:54:41
their kind of musicians. That's the first time that happened to me >> was because kids didn't know who Tina
00:54:47
Turner was. So, they all thought I had died. >> Grateful. That was very lovely response.
00:54:54
>> Oh, so so during that period where you were contract contractually not allowed
00:54:58
to talk about it, why why so why was it a why was it a secret thing? just to um keep that illusion going for people.
00:55:05
They loved her so much and were showing up to turn us to find her. Right. >> We don't want to break it.
00:55:11
>> Oh, like break the fourth wall that it's just a comedian/ actor. Yeah. Right.
00:55:15
>> I also don't want to do that to people either. >> Break the >> They loved her. They loved Tina.
00:55:21
>> Yeah. And has anything um else good come from it? Any other opportunities or anything?
00:55:30
I think Yeah, I think just more heaps of love. I I don't know if opportunities
00:55:34
because I don't think you can recreate Tina anywhere else. >> Yeah. >> And um what about the family, your
00:55:43
family, people that care about you the most? Like was this the moment for them where they're like, "Oh, okay. Bubba
00:55:48
wants to do this unusual career path and it's paying off." >> Yeah. And also they've got all the
00:55:54
Turners merchandise. I know my grandparents are church celebrities right now cuz they've got all the
00:55:59
Turners jumpers and it so they wear it. It's their converter. They just wear it
00:56:03
everywhere. So someone will ask them. >> Oh, that's so cool. They're so proud.
00:56:09
>> That's so awesome. Do you still go to church? >> Um I did miss Yeah. You know what?
00:56:15
That's [Laughter] I should be going to church, but I have missed a lot of church recently. like
00:56:24
like a lot of juice has in years. >> I think you can still be a good person
00:56:27
without is it different in some c culture like or can you still just be a good person and
00:56:33
>> identify as being Christian or whatever without going to church? >> Hard up. But I still try to go when I
00:56:40
can cuz >> I grew up in it and I love my pastor and my church. >> Yeah. Do do you like going um like for
00:56:46
the sermon and the message or is it the sense of community? >> Oh, sermon and message I like. Yeah.
00:56:53
Yeah, >> I like picking what I like from there. >> Unless it gets too real. I'm outside
00:57:00
having a smoke. >> What do you mean real? >> This might relate to me. I'm going to
00:57:04
go. >> Um, okay. So, you're moving to Samoa and but the the Tina from Turner commercials
00:57:13
are still going to keep going. >> Yes. So, >> yeah. So, you they'll flow you back
00:57:17
every >> I think if that EP >> Yeah. How many ads have you done? you
00:57:22
you were doing some radio commercials for uh Turner. >> They got some stuff in the pipeline that
00:57:26
they should be >> Yeah. >> And and the song you did, that's the most recent.
00:57:32
>> Yeah. So, yeah. How was that? So, someone else wrote that. You didn't have
00:57:37
a hand in writing it? >> No, someone else wrote that. Yeah, that was really fun to film. I think that was
00:57:41
Yeah, that was a really long shoot. >> Which I did before leaving to Sour for
00:57:47
that funeral. And so, that's al I have not had a break. Yeah. >> You do you think the move move to some
00:57:55
you just need like a maybe a break for a few months and then you'll get itchy
00:57:57
feet and want to come back or do you think >> No. >> No. >> Yeah.
00:58:00
>> How can you be so certain? >> Cuz when I'm there I'm there when I'm
00:58:03
not tired. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know what it is. I just feel
00:58:07
really grounded as soon as I hit the pavement of getting getting off the plane >> and then I hear the sounds of sour and
00:58:16
I'm like, "Oh, >> that's me." Oh, that's cool. >> Yeah.
00:58:21
>> So, you you got some um some Turner's cash and what's your cost of living over
00:58:26
there? What do you need? >> Um not a lot cuz we have plantation. Um and animals.
00:58:35
So, not really a lot. >> Yeah. >> It's just not a financially driven
00:58:40
>> no >> a way of life, is it? >> No. >> That's so cool.
00:58:45
>> Yeah. Don't you worry about like ending up with nothing. Like that's I've I'm
00:58:50
I'm projecting here, but I've got um I've got a strange relationship with
00:58:53
money. Like I'm I don't know. I think because we we grew up in a as I said a
00:58:57
middle-ass household, but it was still sort of a scarcity household. Like felt like we were
00:59:02
>> never >> felt like we were always poor compared to the other kids. Like other kids would
00:59:06
have a microwave or a video or nice bikes or nice clothes and we wouldn't. So because of that, I feel like I've got
00:59:12
a strange relationship with money where I'm always scared of of running out or
00:59:15
not having enough. >> You don't you just don't have that at all. >> No, I should though. Like I'm I should
00:59:21
be an adult. But >> um >> Yeah. Cuz you're in a position where you
00:59:24
like you could do like a lot of good for a lot of people in your in your family or your community. Eh,
00:59:30
>> and I do. Yeah. Like I help >> where I can and >> Yeah. I think I just
00:59:38
>> they'll have someone to run to anytime that they need over there, you know. And
00:59:43
>> I also want to learn how to plant stuff >> like what? >> Like coconut trees and
00:59:48
>> I want to do a plantation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think it's just a new journey.
00:59:53
>> Everyone's so amazed by it. I'm just going flight. I went down the road.
00:59:59
>> No, but the fact that you're like, "No, no, no. It's not a it's not a it's not a
01:00:02
break. It's not a whim. It's not a sabbatical. This is it. and it's unlikely I'm coming back. Um because it
01:00:08
just feels like you're on the the the cusp of um you know like I suppose it's
01:00:11
called a tipping point in your career and you're just like sort of turning your back on it. And I think it takes a
01:00:15
lot of courage to do that. But uh I mean you're doing what's going to make you
01:00:19
happy and I think that's really empowering. >> Well, I'll be able to give my best to my
01:00:24
if I get, you know, jobs here and they call for me, I'll be able to give my best because I'll be at my happiest.
01:00:30
>> Yeah. Have you not been at your happiest? >> No. My happiest is in Sour,
01:00:36
>> right? >> Like still happy here, but >> in I don't know what it is in Sour.
01:00:40
>> Yeah. Have you Have you got a partner or anything or you just on your sle? Yeah.
01:00:43
Just you and your dog. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you're at an age and a stage
01:00:47
of life where I suppose you you can just do this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I've got no kids or anything, so I can
01:00:52
actually dip out. >> You want to have kids at some point? >> I don't know.
01:00:56
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I've got no idea. All right, let's talk um Celebrity
01:01:03
Treasure Island. >> Yes. >> So, you've been on the most recent series which um was on TV last year,
01:01:09
2024. >> Um yeah. What did you know of it? I feel like you're probably not much of a TV
01:01:13
watcher. >> No. >> So, you knew nothing about the show? >> No.
01:01:17
>> So, Johnston and Le, your agents, they they call you and they say, "Oh, you
01:01:21
want to do this?" >> Do Treasure Island, but didn't really say what it was.
01:01:24
>> And do you say no immediately or yes immediately? Yeah. >> What did I I was on another job and so
01:01:31
there was going to be a clash and then they were like, "You got to do it. It's
01:01:36
a really good show." I had said no to Treasure Island, I think, left years before that cuz I just heard you you had
01:01:42
to be fit. So I said no. But then this time on a whim said yes. And then I'm
01:01:49
glad that I went on this season. >> Why? Why did you say yes? It pays pretty
01:01:52
good money now. I I did a series with them about 15 years ago and we just got >> Oh, we on it.
01:01:56
>> Yeah. Yeah, we just got a flat rate. But I think now you get a like a couple of
01:01:59
grand a day or something. >> I don't know. >> You can't. >> You're going to get me in trouble.
01:02:05
>> You don't have to talk about it. Um so yeah, you're on the 2024 season. You
01:02:10
you did really well, too. You were there 17 days. >> Yes. I got right down to the end and
01:02:14
then Cully knocked me out. >> Yeah. So Christian Kullan um you and him sort of became like almost like best
01:02:21
friends on the show. Who Duncan Garner was on the show as well. He wasn't on
01:02:25
for very long No. >> Did you get on well? >> Yeah, I got I think I got on with
01:02:30
everyone. Yeah, I don't think I left there with any bad bad blood. >> Yeah. So, what did you what did you know
01:02:37
of the other people on the show? >> Uh, I just did not know anyone except for JP and Gabby. Um,
01:02:44
>> or JP who ended up winning. >> Yes. So, I only knew JP. >> That was it. That's all. And Jane. M.
01:02:52
>> So, who who did you meet that you became like really good friends with that you'd
01:02:55
keep in touch with? >> Uh, Kali and Milan, >> right? Yeah. Right. >> What are the three of you,
01:03:01
>> eh? >> Yeah. I love Milan. He's so weird. He's like >> the ultimate dad.
01:03:08
>> Like nerd dad. >> And what about Kelly? What did you know about him?
01:03:12
>> Not a thing. But Michelle was like, that's Christian. >> Michelle.
01:03:18
>> Uh, I don't know her last name. Who's Michelle? Is she one of the one of the
01:03:22
other contestants? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Right. >> Um she's an actress.
01:03:26
>> Okay. But and you you don't know you you never watched rugby. You don't know who
01:03:29
he is. >> No. >> Right. You've heard of um Jon Lom, the Tongen. >> Yes.
01:03:33
>> Yeah. So they were playing at the same time. >> Oh my god. No one's ever told me that
01:03:37
before. >> Right. What do you mean? Did you think he was playing years before that or
01:03:42
>> I thought it was ancient. >> Why? Yes. So, so you meet and do you do
01:03:48
you um connect straight away? >> He was talking about sour cuz I was talking about sour and I was me and oh
01:03:55
me and Mo is another one. I think I got really close with her too. I'm talking to her about sour and then
01:04:01
he starts talking about sour. I'm like here we go this tourist and and then I heard him say that that's
01:04:06
his like talking about his village and then I was like are you sour and that was it and then I just annoyed him. I
01:04:13
was like teaching him words. He like did not ask for that. >> Yeah. Because watching it on I mean all
01:04:20
we saw was the the little bits and pieces on screen but you seem to have have like a really nice connection
01:04:24
almost like um Yeah. Almost like he's like a father figure in a way. >> Yeah.
01:04:28
>> Yeah. >> Like what they didn't show was that he cuz I it was like athletics with
01:04:33
athletes. So like >> I was vulnerable. I was like, "Damn, I am not an athlete." But he would be
01:04:40
like, "Come on, Bubba." And like encourage me like yell out for me. It
01:04:44
just was really good. And then after that, even he would be like, "See, you
01:04:48
did really well." And he would check in with me. And I'm like, "The hell?"
01:04:52
You're like, "My dad." >> So, he's just really nice and supportive
01:04:56
and encouraging. Yeah. >> And then I just started annoying the [ __ ] out of him.
01:05:01
>> In what way? >> Just by waking him up too early, throwing pillows at him.
01:05:07
Yeah, just annoy him. And every time I don't know, say go left, I'd go right.
01:05:11
It's like, >> and have have you kept in touch since? He's he's a very He's a hard guy to keep
01:05:17
in touch with though. You don't get a lot out of him. >> Or is that just me?
01:05:20
>> Sorry. >> Is that right? Sometimes sometimes I'll message him, I'll get a text back like
01:05:26
two days later. Is that not He's not like that with everyone. Oh m he gave me your number to come on the
01:05:35
podcast. Yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> But I I didn't um I didn't hit him up
01:05:39
for any um like goss or ice breakers about you cuz I just didn't think >> Oh,
01:05:42
>> it's not just not sort of the style. >> Yeah. >> So what how often do you guys keep in
01:05:47
touch now? >> Uh we message now and then. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. When we first came out it was like
01:05:54
>> Yeah. >> with Milan. Me, Kelly, and Milan. How good you you go through this
01:05:59
experience together. I suppose it seems like a big thing and then after a while,
01:06:03
you know, you get back into your normal day-to-day life and you sort of forget about the trauma of CTI.
01:06:07
>> It is a bit crazy. >> Is it? Yeah. 17 days there. Did Did it sort of [ __ ] with your head a bit?
01:06:13
>> Well, it was just weird cuz everyone was serious about the game and so I was
01:06:17
like, damn, it doesn't turn off like when the cameras go off. Like it's like being in
01:06:23
jail, >> you know? like your >> well it becomes your whole your whole
01:06:27
world your whole ecosystem. I remember yeah when I got voted off like for the first couple of days afterwards you're
01:06:32
like you're in back in the hotel but you're just imagining what's going on.
01:06:34
>> Yeah. >> Like oh right now they'll be sitting around doing this. What was your biggest
01:06:38
like surprise about the show? >> Um that they actually starve you. You don't they don't
01:06:46
>> give you food when the cameras go nope. You're on beans and rice. And if you
01:06:51
don't soak the beans for 10 hours, you can't cook them because they're not good
01:06:54
for you. So if you forgot the beans, you just had rice that day. >> Yeah. So it's Did you lose weight over
01:07:01
there? >> Yes. I got to go again. Oh my god. I came out and went straight back into my bad eating habits.
01:07:10
>> Yeah. And what about um your biggest things you learned about yourself on
01:07:13
Treasure Island? >> Ooh. um that I'm kind of sporty like I was actually like damn I really did that.
01:07:27
That's cool. I thought that I would I was really scared of being the guy that
01:07:30
like lets the team down. You know, you don't want to be that guy that's like
01:07:34
but we actually didn't end up having that and I wasn't it, >> you know?
01:07:39
>> That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Were you were you super proud of yourself at how far
01:07:42
you got? >> I've only got to top four. Hell yeah. It made it to last second to last day
01:07:47
>> and I was really proud of that because then my family didn't have to stop
01:07:50
watching the show early. >> Oh, they >> you know, like they get to watch it
01:07:54
right to the end. I was like, "Oh [ __ ] you guys are lucky I didn't get
01:07:57
>> Yeah. Cuz a lot of people a lot of people if their friend gets voted off,
01:07:59
they'll be like, "Oh, no. The show's gone to [ __ ] It's gone to [ __ ] now."
01:08:03
>> Um Yeah. And what was the uh Yeah. What was the hardest thing about it? the food
01:08:10
aspect or was it just the the [ __ ] mind games? >> Yeah, food and the the mind games.
01:08:20
>> Yeah, food and the mind games maybe. >> Mhm. Yeah. People end up taking these
01:08:24
things really seriously. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like we'll live and die for it.
01:08:28
>> Yeah. Um were you surprised at how emotional you got when people were getting voted off and sent home and
01:08:36
>> or were you emotional? I think I was an emotional woman. I'm an emotional I'm I
01:08:41
I'm very empathetic. I So I was like, "Oh, that's like, you know," and
01:08:46
everyone's crying, but I just was I was like, "Guys, it's like we'll literally see each other
01:08:52
soon. I don't get it." Yeah, you've just got like a good a good grasp on things, eh? On what's important
01:09:00
and what's not. >> I don't know. And I suppose I suppose for a lot of people like this would
01:09:05
definitely be an issue for me is um I I do have like quite a se severe addiction
01:09:10
to technology like I'm always on my phone. I'm always on social media. >> Um whereas you're not and you can quite
01:09:16
easily turn your back from it. So that wouldn't be like an issue for you that I
01:09:21
suppose the first couple of days on Treasure Island people would be like, "Oh, it's so weird not having your
01:09:24
phone." But for you, no big deal. >> I was still on my brick phone when when
01:09:27
I went in. So >> yeah. What what was that all about going to the brick phone?
01:09:35
>> Why did I have get a brick phone? Oh, >> what was it? Like a no like a Nokia or
01:09:39
uh >> Yeah, the really old brick phones that >> just everyone looking at their phones
01:09:44
and I was like, "Oh, I don't want to do that." I don't know if I was one of
01:09:49
those people, but I didn't I wanted to make sure I wasn't. So, I went back to
01:09:53
the brick phone. >> When was the moment of realization? heaps of places like everywhere you walk
01:09:59
in the elevator and the in the markets like everyone's face down and I was like am I crazy or was
01:10:07
everyone looking down and then when I got a big phone >> it's interesting so it's not like you
01:10:14
you had a problem but you just didn't want to be part of the problem >> yeah and I don't think that they have a
01:10:19
problem being on the phone like the phone's like part of today's culture so
01:10:23
>> Oh can be a problem I if it's an addiction. >> Yeah. Well, I don't care if you're
01:10:29
looking at your phone. I just >> I don't know. I want to be out here. >> So So um when you go back to summer,
01:10:37
what will you have like in terms of a phone? >> I'll go back to my brick phone.
01:10:40
>> Will you? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I only need it for calls.
01:10:47
>> Yeah. Calls from like Johnson and Johnson, >> right? Just work opportunities.
01:10:52
>> Yeah. But beyond beyond that, um beyond that and your family members that are
01:10:56
here and I suppose a few close friends, um everything you need is right there in
01:11:00
your village. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] It's such a cool way to live your
01:11:04
life. >> Come visit. >> Can I? >> Yeah. Come. >> I will.
01:11:10
I'd love to. I'd love to come over. I love some. Um that's a really Yeah. I
01:11:17
mean, I was online last night. I read some some comments that someone wrote about me and it put me in a bad mood and
01:11:22
it was someone that I don't even don't even know. And I think the life that you
01:11:26
were going away to lead, but that's not an issue. You're surrounded by surrounded by love. You're surrounded by
01:11:31
family. You know, everyone in your village. >> Um >> why did that get you down?
01:11:37
>> I we just did for five minutes cuz I was [ __ ] off that someone would write some
01:11:40
[ __ ] about me. And then um and then I'm like, I don't even know this person.
01:11:43
It's a fake name. Like why do I care? And I I I got out of my own head for a
01:11:47
second, but um it's amazing. I I think that's feel you're looking at me like
01:11:52
I'm abnormal, but I think most people are probably like that and they have a
01:11:54
visceral reaction to someone, you know, writing something mean about you, even if their opinion doesn't matter.
01:12:00
>> Like I don't know who it is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But you're okay that it upset you for a
01:12:05
bit. >> Um one last Treasure Island one. Can you remember the most meaningful
01:12:10
conversation you had with any of the contestants? Is is there something that stands out that would stick with you?
01:12:15
Um Milan I Milan was um it wasn't on camera but Milan was thinking about going home and it was just him. Um and
01:12:26
he was you know a bit emotional and I went over to him. He was he said to me, "Oh, I'm thinking about going home." And
01:12:33
I said, "Ben, what would your daughter say?" And then he was like, "You're right." And then yeah, we had a
01:12:42
little chat about it because it was the it was kind of part because of the mind games and I was like, who cares? Like do
01:12:49
your best. You don't want to go home. Because he had been talking about his daughters and stuff and he wanted to
01:12:53
make them proud. I mean, if his answers was like they would want me to come home, then that's okay. I just wanted
01:12:59
him to >> think about that before he decided to go. >> You sort of talked him around.
01:13:05
>> It was pretty Yeah. And we had a little DMC, a little deep, meaningful conversation. M
01:13:10
>> and he ended up staying. >> It's crazy these unlikely like relationships or friendships like people
01:13:16
that you probably never never crossed paths with had it not been for something like that.
01:13:20
>> And it's amazing who you who you end up connecting with and who who you just
01:13:23
don't. >> When I was like 27 >> Yeah. He's How old is he? He's probably
01:13:29
the same age as me. Like 50s or something. Yeah. >> I'm like you can also smack me in the
01:13:33
face and tell me to get lost. >> I don't know [ __ ] I know you you're
01:13:37
very likable and I can see like um from Christian Cullen's perspective like you
01:13:42
know he's he's got four kids of his own not in their 20s yet but um >> he probably felt like a a a sense of
01:13:48
nurturing towards you in a way I guess >> I think so. Yeah. And I think he could
01:13:52
see that I was a bit scared. >> Were you Why were you scared? >> Just like literally because of the
01:13:56
athletic stuff. I was like damn. >> Yeah. >> I got bent back. Um >> this is not things that I I wouldn't be
01:14:04
ab sailing at. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that he's scared of heights, is he?
01:14:10
>> He would never do a bungee jump. Never do a sky. He's a little Get him Get him
01:14:15
high. He's a little >> I'm going to get him. Hi. >> Um, hey, this has been a fun chat today.
01:14:24
It's been really cool. Yeah. Have you enjoyed yourself? >> Yeah, I have. I've like
01:14:30
>> really enjoyed myself. >> Yeah. We just end with a couple of deep
01:14:33
ones. What's um so you're in your late 20s now. What's the biggest adversity uh
01:14:38
you think you've gone through in life so far? Let me think. Oh my god. I need some I
01:14:47
need some character. Hang on. Adversity maybe. I think behind the scenes I've been put
01:14:59
in some places where I've had to speak up. And I actually have like um what's it?
01:15:08
What is it? What can I say without saying? >> Oh no. Can you say can you give spill
01:15:15
some >> t So you did you were in situations and you you're like shall I say something?
01:15:21
Shall I not say something? And you did say something. >> Yeah. Cuz I had to be like hey that's
01:15:25
Polynesian. That's South Oakland. >> What was it about? >> So we can't Oh my I'm on I'm on contract
01:15:32
for it. Oh, okay. Okay. Can't talk about it. But you you're >> But I have stood up and
01:15:38
>> why was it why was it a big adversity? >> It's just an important thing.
01:15:42
>> It was Yeah. It was an important thing and something from our culture that
01:15:45
someone was [ __ ] on and Yeah. >> Right. >> So, I had to speak up and be like,
01:15:52
>> and I hate when I have to speak up because I'm like, you're adult, man. Why
01:15:56
why why do I have to say this? It was like, why are you putting me in this position where I have to speak up?
01:16:02
>> Yeah. But I was like, okay, there's no other Polynesian South Oaklanders in the
01:16:05
room. And you were speaking about something Polynesian South Oakland. >> And then Yep. that got cut.
01:16:11
>> How how uh were you in that moment? Like were were you like shaking with
01:16:15
adrenaline? Were you nervous or you you feel like good about yourself after that? I I was just a thousand% certain
01:16:23
that they were [ __ ] on something that didn't belong to them, but belonged to us. So, I felt pretty confident. I
01:16:30
just felt like, I can't believe I got to do this. >> Did they Did they backpedal? Did they
01:16:36
apologize? >> They uh did say to me, um, it's okay if you're not like educated on this thing.
01:16:44
And I was like, I just think you're the one that's uneducated. Yeah. >> Was anyone else around or was it just
01:16:52
one? >> Caused a stir. There were people around so a stir but that I said it and
01:17:01
>> says what sort of person you are like a sort of person that stands up and I
01:17:04
don't know if I'd always be >> not even I was like damn why do I have
01:17:08
this? >> Yeah. >> Oh no. That's a strong character. Um what's your inner voice like? Like when
01:17:14
you're when you're alone like in your car or in your room and you're talking
01:17:17
to yourself are you are you quite nice to yourself? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What do you mean like nice to myself?
01:17:24
Like >> Well, I don't I don't know. Like I suppose like my my inner voice at times
01:17:29
and it's like um I I will say things to myself internally that I'd never dream of saying to
01:17:36
another person. And a lot of it's like what >> are you saying it to yourself? Like are
01:17:41
you talking to yourself or are you >> Yeah. Like come on, you could do better.
01:17:44
You should be doing more. Oh, >> like really really like like flogging myself. And I so I ask other people and
01:17:51
it's it's interesting. A lot of Yeah. A lot of like high performance people um
01:17:56
are like have a very very negative inner voice which is terrible. It's counterproductive.
01:18:00
But you've got quite a quite a good inner voice and self-esteem. >> I think we can go anywhere. Like I can
01:18:07
be like what was that? What are we up to? But also at the same time be like yeah cool. Um, what about uh
01:18:16
vulnerability? Like have you got a good inner circle of um like friends that you
01:18:20
can talk to and be really open to >> like really v I can be really vulnerable
01:18:24
with them? Yep. >> You always been that way or has that been a learned thing?
01:18:29
>> Um I think I honestly credit that to my uncles because my uncles have always
01:18:33
they're like staunch sour men but have always talked spoken to me openly about things
01:18:40
that I'm feeling or like deep issues. they've allowed me to express it and
01:18:44
then they come back with how they feel like because you know they're the they're the out they're the when I was
01:18:50
like in high school and I'd like I don't get this this is weird and then they
01:18:53
would be like maybe it's like this and then I would think through it and be like wow you're right or you're wrong
01:19:01
that's not how I feel. >> So I was able to like work through my feelings.
01:19:05
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's powerful. >> Yeah. >> Um and your mental health's been good.
01:19:10
>> I think so. Yeah. >> I mean, I'm cuckoo, but >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but we love that.
01:19:16
We don't want that to change. Um, yeah. Yes. You never had any anxiety issues or
01:19:22
mental health issues or >> No. >> No. Just >> I'm not like perfect, but obviously I
01:19:28
get sad and stuff. Everyone like every time I go on like a interview or something, they're like, "When do you
01:19:34
get sad?" I mean, I get sad, but not >> No, I'm I'm I'm intrigued with with
01:19:39
anyone that's not. It's like um yeah, you want to work out, you try and reverse engineer it and work out like
01:19:45
you why they're so happy or how do they get that cuz I love it. I think it's a
01:19:49
great way to live your life. >> Yeah. I don't even think you think about
01:19:52
it. It's just [ __ ] happens, man. [ __ ] happens. That's it. >> That's all I got for you.
01:20:02
>> No, it's it's you're 100% true. Like you got have to expect um like adversity in
01:20:06
life because um if you think it's if you think shit's not going to happen. Yeah.
01:20:10
>> Then you're not going to be ready for it when it does. >> Yeah.
01:20:14
>> Um, what are your best worst habits? >> Um, uh, I always, what do I do? I
01:20:24
I've forgotten who I am. Uh, what do I do? Worst habit, I think, is I apologize.
01:20:35
Like, like I like [ __ ] sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Um, I think yeah, when I Yeah, I think that's a bad
01:20:42
habit is apologizing too much. >> I think I do the same. I don't know where that comes from
01:20:46
>> cuz I feel in the way. I'm like, [ __ ] Sorry. So, I know. Okay, it's me. It's
01:20:50
all but I've made it worse. Like, get out of the room. >> Is that Is that a Kiwi? I think that's a
01:20:55
Kiwi thing. >> Yeah. Yeah, actually. Yeah. >> And then best habit. God, what are my habits? Getting
01:21:08
tattoos. >> Yeah. What have you got? So, you got the Taskmasters one. >> Yeah.
01:21:13
>> You got the um the big Sam one over. When did you get that? >> Uh uh
01:21:20
also got it for a show cuz I was mocking San boys cuz they always put sour on their stomach. And then I got it and I
01:21:26
love it so much. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. How was your What was your family's reaction like when
01:21:32
they saw that? >> Uh oh my god. They wanted to kill me. >> Oh, do they? Do you want to show us or
01:21:38
not? Not really. >> It looks like I'm a little gangster. >> Yeah.
01:21:43
>> 685 something. Oh, wait. So, how did they know about it? >> They came to the show
01:21:48
>> and it was Glad Wrapped. I like got it done the night before. So, they saw the Glad Wrap and knew it
01:21:54
was real. >> And then, so they they want to kill you. They're mad at you. But for how long?
01:22:02
Uh, not that like they just didn't want to see it ever again. But I think time's passed. Maybe they don't care
01:22:10
about it now. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the thing with um with anyone that gets tattoos.
01:22:14
For a lot of their parents, it's just like an initial shock >> and then it's fine.
01:22:18
>> Um, do you have any regrets? >> Uh, what regrets? Uh, maybe this hair
01:22:22
that's under >> maybe the hair under here. >> Yeah, I I'm I'm intrigued to see how bad
01:22:29
it was. Like I I met you at the car just before you put the wig on. I didn't even
01:22:32
notice it, but you've been going on about how bad it is. Can't be that bad.
01:22:36
Surely. >> I'll show you after. >> Okay. Um regrets. >> Uh I regret
01:22:46
it's all the past. I don't care. >> I don't think any Yeah. >> Like such a cool attitude. We could
01:22:53
bottle up what you've got. I think um society would be a lot better. You're so
01:22:58
like it feels like everything's water off a duck. >> But I do care. Like I just want people
01:23:02
to know I care about stuff. >> Yeah. No, but I think you've got a good
01:23:05
grasp on like what's important and what's not. And you you're able to you
01:23:09
separate the you know what matters from the [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Which which I and I feel like this is
01:23:14
looping back to what you were saying before about social media and stuff and a lot of it is just noise.
01:23:19
>> It's [ __ ] and it doesn't matter. >> But also that's just me and like however
01:23:22
you think is also right. And like I'm not a I just however your thinking is right
01:23:29
for you and >> like people think admire it but I'm like I literally I'm wired that way and
01:23:35
you're wired your way. >> Even I want to be wired more more your way than my way.
01:23:39
>> Yeah, but it probably won't happen. We won't be able to swap. >> So
01:23:43
>> unless it's like a Zack Efron movie way. >> Me and you should do a freaky Friday we
01:23:48
make >> um future goals. Are are you a goal setter at all or do you just sort of
01:23:55
like roll with whatever happens? >> I did have a goal like I mean like the last show that I did I
01:24:04
wanted to make it a good one. Um and the like going to sour was a goal and so yeah.
01:24:13
>> Yeah. Got goals. >> Yeah. So like where do you see yourself at say like 35 40?
01:24:20
I just see myself in some more of 10 dogs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But also I I think I might want to
01:24:26
still try with my career here. >> So living and working maybe by 35 I'll have that sorted as to
01:24:36
what that looks like. >> So career goals you just want to keep going but you don't necessarily know how
01:24:42
that looks or >> No. >> Because a Yeah. you a lot of people in your position, I could have them here
01:24:47
and they could be like, "Oh, my goal is to like play Madison Square Garden one
01:24:51
day or do a sellout show at the Sky City Arena, whatever it happens to be or Spark Arena." You don't you just like
01:24:57
just do with what what you feel like doing at any particular time. >> Yeah, cuz I might be standup, but also I
01:25:02
would love to be in a Marvel movie. So, I don't know. Yeah, it depends what path
01:25:08
I take, which I have no idea. >> But so, so you're not going to pursue
01:25:11
any of these things. It's just if it happen if it >> if it comes your way. You're not
01:25:16
aggressively trying to push doors down. You're happy to walk down the corridor
01:25:19
and if a door opens, it opens. >> Yeah. But also, I do want to write and I
01:25:24
think I will work towards writing some shows, but I don't know if that's TV or
01:25:30
standup. >> Yes. >> Like a drama show. >> Yeah. >> Well, the fact that you say you don't
01:25:35
know tells me that you kind of do know. >> Well, I really love psych. Like I love
01:25:39
Black Mirror. I love like that kind of >> and the end of the [ __ ] world. Have
01:25:45
you watched that? >> No. >> Oh, the end of I think it's called the
01:25:47
end of the [ __ ] world. >> Right. >> Well, whatever you do, I've got no doubt
01:25:51
you'll be like talented at and you'll do well. >> Oh, thank you. >> Yeah.
01:25:55
>> Um, what what are the three words that your family and people that know you
01:26:00
best would use to describe you? >> Idiot. >> Nah. >> Yeah. No, seriously. Don't be an idiot.
01:26:09
I won't [Laughter] >> um idiot but also maybe because of my nieces and nephews
01:26:20
they say I care cuz surprisingly caring. >> Are you you have that nurturing side? I
01:26:27
can see. >> Yeah, with my nieces and nephews. Yeah. And my dog. >> Anyone else? I'm like sort of yourself.
01:26:34
>> Uh and then silly. Yeah, >> I feel like silly and idiot are kind of
01:26:40
the same word. They're definitely in the same ecosystem. Um, yeah. What makes you
01:26:45
mad or sad? >> Oh, wow. What makes me mad? Uh, it makes me mad when people don't
01:27:03
consider the outside like the I don't know how to explain that like when people get so what wrapped up in their
01:27:09
own I think guess that's probably one of the I don't know if I was mad about it
01:27:14
though but >> sometimes it can get frustrating speaking up you you know, cuz it's like,
01:27:22
why do I have to say this? You're an adult. >> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Just
01:27:28
annoying. >> Yeah. >> Like it's annoying that it comes to this. >> Yeah.
01:27:31
>> Yeah. Um, and are you proud of yourself? >> Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. >> I just look at it through my dog. Like,
01:27:39
if my dog's eating, I've done well. >> And sometimes he has like salmon.
01:27:45
>> Does it? >> And I'm like, damn, I did well for us, buddy. >> My dog here. Yeah. Boiled boiled
01:27:50
chicken. That's what I think. He's doing well. We're doing all right. Um, yeah,
01:27:56
that's cool. Yeah. Are you allowed to be proud of yourself being s >> Oh, hell yeah.
01:28:02
>> So, I have Son friends and some Son friends and they're always like, um,
01:28:05
yeah, humble yourself. Be humble. >> Oh, >> is that a That's different to being
01:28:10
proud of yourself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You just can't be like braggy or
01:28:14
showy or >> Yeah. >> But you can. Yeah. It's a weird >> balance of being humble and proud and
01:28:23
respectful. Like don't be a sore winner. >> Don't be a what? >> A sore winner.
01:28:29
>> What does that mean? >> You know, there's like a sore loser that
01:28:31
ss and then a sore winner is like an absolute [ __ ] >> Like >> breaks into all I do is win.
01:28:41
>> But you have to consider the loser. You've won. You have to consider
01:28:45
consider the loser. That's awesome. I think I think it's good being proud of yourself.
01:28:53
>> It demonstrates a good self-esteem. >> I have a lot of people on the podcast
01:28:56
that I've I've asked that too and you know a lot of people really struggle
01:28:59
with that answer. I think it's maybe like a Kiwi thing. Mainly males. >> Yeah.
01:29:03
>> True. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I'm proud of I'm sitting at your
01:29:08
podcast. >> Yeah. >> I started in a backyard. I'm a thousand% proud of myself.
01:29:13
>> Why? Um Well, yeah. I'm I'm proud of myself today. I started this on my
01:29:16
dining room table like 3 years ago. >> Now I've got the studio. Why Why are you
01:29:20
proud to be here? This is just a shitty podcast. >> Cuz I've heard your name so many times.
01:29:24
>> And also when I was doing the like doing those ads, I was just like, "Oh, I've
01:29:27
got to be out of here for um Dom Harvey's podcast." And they were like,
01:29:30
"Oh, cool." >> Like everyone knows you. >> Oh, that's awesome.
01:29:34
>> Yeah, >> that's awesome. How do How do you know about me? You didn't even know who
01:29:37
Christian Callum was. >> But people say nice things about you all the time.
01:29:41
>> Tilla was on here. >> Ta. And I saw >> Yeah. Yeah, >> it's one of my favorite episodes of all
01:29:46
time. Twila Blakeley. >> Yeah, >> she's wonderful. >> All right, Bubba. Hey, well, this has
01:29:52
been amazing. >> Um Oh, do you want to give us a Tina from Turners before you go? I don't
01:29:59
think we did that when we talked about >> what? >> Cars. Cars. Cars.
01:30:04
>> Hi, I'm Tina from Turners. Cars. Cars. Cars. >> Oh, you're wonderful. Hey, this has been
01:30:12
really nice connecting. >> Come to more. Um, actually in more. Yeah, come on. Kelly,
01:30:17
>> how far is your village from Maggie Grace? >> I am in between the airport and the
01:30:21
city. >> Oh, real close. >> Yeah, >> real close. >> But once you're in my I'm going to lock
01:30:26
you up. >> Okay, then um we'll go for a drive to to sew a trench. >> I'm not being e
01:30:32
>> I'm not um athletic at all. So, I'm not diving. I'm I'm going down the mossy
01:30:36
ladder. >> I hate that. >> It's terrifying. Gives me the shits. It
01:30:41
looks amazing on Instagram, though. Not that you'd know. Yeah, >> social media.
01:30:46
>> Hey Bubba, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. >> Thank you for having me.
01:30:49
>> Good luck for the future. >> Okay. Love you. >> Love you too.