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If it hadn't been for drugs, I wouldn't have broken the law. I wouldn't have
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gone that way. I wouldn't have become a burglar. I wouldn't have become a
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robber. Mhm. I was just a drug offender because I wanted to have some fun. What reduces your
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likelihood of becoming a criminal >> Mhm. is your upbringing. >> Yeah.
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>> Primarily. And if you've been bashed around and and badly parented or
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serially parented or suffered parental abdication when you're young, you're likely to go off the rails. And
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there was a saying amongst the Maoris, "The prison's full of Maoris and the
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visiting rooms full of Pakehas." Mhm. With the Maoris didn't get visits.
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They came from these really dysfunctional >> dysfunctional, chaotic, splintered
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environments. That's a big factor. I mean, I had my family backing me up. I had my dad and my mom visiting me
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regularly. You've got to have those same people who visiting you when you're
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when you're in jail, they're standing for you and helping you when you get
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out.