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I told no one when I was trying to put the TV show together I didn't tell my
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mom my dad brothers sisters none of my best mates I didn't told poy like I didn't want I didn't want to be that guy
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who said I'm going to be on TV that was the opposite of what at that time you
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wanted to be as a kiwi BL someone who's going to step their head up and go and
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I'd heard it so much and to be honest like i' heard guys go I'm going to do
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I'm going to make a TV show about this I'd literally look at those guys you're wanker and I just didn't
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want to be that wanker there's a certain amount of um ego I guess you need to be
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to put yourself out there and you know that was at the time that you know the old blacks would get criticized if they
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celebrated too much that's right Jeff Wilson came along and had scor a try fist pump and every a little bit bit
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show boy I reckon matez