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Steven Sheamus between two beers welcome to the Dom Harvey podcast cheers Dom Stu
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to be here man I we we open these um exp cheers by the way we opened these export
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Ultras before we started recording I feel like I should have done the welcome too I was waiting for I was waiting for
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I was waiting for Steven for some reason to k i in right so I'm um I'm a big fan
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of you guys in your podcast and your your intro is the same like every time I reckon you could you could have them and
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overlap them and you're um what's the what's the word I'm looking for the tone
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the inflections yeah the same almost every time you nail it it's great Yeah by Design it's just it didn't yeah
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slowly started like you you crack open the beer and you get into it and I thinking that's something that people
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are going to remember and now we do a thing where we cut the little video for socials and there's always the you know
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the little KN of the hat to the sponsor and the the I started the I started the opening so Steven used to do the so and
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so so and so welcome to between two beers and then I used to do the can open then when I stopped drinking it uh I
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passed the mantle back over to Steven so he handles everything now and I just kind of sit in the passenger seat hey
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it's fabulous to have you guys on my podcast I suppose there'll be like a
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number of people listening to this that'll be fan of you guys fans of you guys and there'll be a number of people
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that um uh being introduced to you guys but I like this I like having you had me
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on your podcast like over a year ago and it's lovely to have you on my podcast I
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think it's great crossovers cross we're stoked to be here Dom um fans of what
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you do like I don't think people realize how hard it is to build a podcast following and what you've done how long
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you've been going now okay 18 months or so 18 months continuously one a week
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like it's so impressive like people don't realize unless you're doing a
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weekly pod like what's involved in the the burn and turn of putting it all together so bur and turns are good you
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should use that more of yeah but but building an audience like there's so many people trying to create pods now
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like a hot shiny object in media land right but it takes ages like do you even remember the the numbers of the early
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down the episodes you had like it takes takes a long time for the audience to grow and stick with you so yeah it
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really does It's a Grind and I think it was you that said to me Steve um you
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it's just it's Relentless it's never one a week it's just never ending like there
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is no and it wasn't until that point that I really thought about I thought oh
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he's right it is and it's exhausting like you're tracking down guest you have
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guest that that pull out or they they commit then they something else comes up and then it's um it's stressful and it's
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often a long time without any sort of reward in terms of yeah for the work you're putting in yeah there's some stat
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that I don't know 90% of podcasts don't make it past episode 7 and because it
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starts off with a hiss and a Roar and you got all these good ideas and then it kind of turns into a job which is why
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people ask like what's your advice for people starting off of the podcast do it
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for the right reasons do it because it's something you enjoy doing which is why
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we started in my garage talking to our best mates and our family about football and if it wasn't for that we would have
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stopped after if it wasn't fun you know there was no thought of financial reward
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or no thought of audience it was just about yeah a chance to get out once a week it wasn't even actually we li it
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wasn't even once a week then it was just a chance to get out get in front of
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someone put a microphone in front of them and then ask them a bunch of questions which we never really had done
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so it kind of gives you license to pry into people that you know's lives with
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um without a care in the world yeah so it came from a good place by the way I listened to that episode today episode 1
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November 2019 um with Aaron Scott who's Aaron scottt Ms a soccer guy football
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guy he is a Grassroots football legend so he just played in the chadam cup fin he's got four kids he's played 350 games
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for Melville he's in the chadam Cup Final they lost on penalties but a guy who we'd grown up with he played for the
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all whites he should have gone to the World Cup but just got dropped from the squad so we asked him about how hard
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that was and he talked about Ricky Herbert and the Fallout and all these things Have you listened no I haven't it
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rough as guts I listened back so did you listen to it today yeah just just today
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and there's there's it's it's quite um it's quite cute like there's a lot of
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what you're doing now that's exactly the same yeah um like at the beginning
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Sheamus you say how you know the person yeah um but then there's like real cute
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aspects of it like it sounds like there's one microphone yes yes correct but I mean like it's it's palatable the
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sound is fine but from where you are now like four years on to back then [ __ ] it's um I'm I'm getting actually
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Goosebumps just um talking about this and sharing this you've come such a long
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way we we spoke for about the first 15 minutes I think of that Aaron didn't say
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a word for about 15 minutes we were just like prattling on about who we were and
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what we were what we were doing and then finally it was like well let's get a
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chance to hear from the guest Aaron but yeah [ __ ] it's a long way and we had a
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moment I think like history's repeated itself so Melville Steven said have been
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in the chadam Cup Final recently as well which was a catalyst for getting azer on
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the show and um yeah hell it's a long way away from Steven's Garrett that's
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for sure that's what it was you say it sounded like a One mic for the first 50
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episodes it was in my garage it was a JB high-fi $200 Omni microphone and we just
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sat around a table like this and Shay was drinking I was drinking with you know the the conversations maybe got a
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bit looser as the it went on I probably drank more than than I did now but yeah it was just trying to ask the best
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questions to anyone we could get into my garage basically and yeah there's others
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other things that have changed um like from a life perspective since then like at the time you Steve you mentioned you
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got two kids now you got four kids and a vasectomy four kids and a dick that doesn't Works enough yeah it's quite so
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so so back then by the way we we'll go all the way back to how you guys even know each
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other how this um Bromance if you call it that began but um so there was no in no intention this was just like a hobby
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something for you to do we've done or did you did you secretly like deep down
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have a desire to Rogue in it no not at all it was we we were both quite involved in the Melville football club
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and we did a few videos before we started a podcast we did this video series where we would chat to the
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coaches who were also our best mates and we quite enjoyed it and we'd always
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thought like oh [ __ ] man we should do something we should start a podcast we should start a show I didn't know what a
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podcast was when we started like totally totally true and yeah and it wasn't
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until I bought the microphone $220 was a lot of money back then probably still is
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now but um I was like oh [ __ ] I've bought the microphone we're going to do
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it and then I was like right Aaron come come across to our house on Thursday night no expectation of anything it
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literally just let see what happens we it didn't even go out on Spotify or apple podcast it was just uploaded to
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SoundCloud I think at the time like not even on YouTube Just SoundCloud I think and we just L around yeah and maybe
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YouTube actually without the video anyway just total amateur operation but there was enough there was I don't know
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50 people listen to it maybe in the who were they just friends how did you how did you Market it just on your social
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media account I can't even remember just put it on our Facebook on our Facebook
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page and um cuz cuz Aaron's quite a known person in Hamilton football circles like he's he's quite a big deal
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in a for a small group of people so just yeah our friends listened to it and got
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some good feedback so episode two was Paul Nixon who was my former school teacher and coached me when I was
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growing up and this was kind of so Paul Paul had four kids and his wife passed away and I you know I invited him to my
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wedding he didn't turn up he got the day WR he got the day wrong he turned up the
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day after but I knew him really well but there were topics like that and it's
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kind of been a theme when you put a microphone in front of someone it gives you permission to ask questions that you
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probably wouldn't otherwise and I remember talking to him about that how what it was like raising four kids after
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his wife died of cancer and it just I was like [ __ ] they're on to something
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here like it just real conversation real deep meaningful conversations and yeah it was like we we started I think
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Stephen you sent me a link to um what's old mate's name TOS of Titans oh Tim Ferris Tim Ferris and it
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was like a section of a podcast of his which spoke about asking good questions so I think initially it was like we'd
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each come up with 10 questions and that was kind of it and we just we just rocked it from there and it was it was a
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kind of it had a cult following within like Northern League football circles and then it kind of grew to New Zealand
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football circles and then it just yeah kind of gathered momentum and I don't
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even remember our first nonf football guest was Chris Ru I think who was again one degree of separation worked
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columnist at the hero joural who worked who worked with Steven so it was really just who do we know and who would be
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interested to come in and that was that was the kind of the length of it right so was it when did you start to think
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okay we could we could probably scale up here and do something good I think it was Eric Murray we made a trip to Eric
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Murray's house so up until then we had had been a football show and we were Nobody But Eric Murray and I always
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think of these guys who opened their door to us when there was nothing for them to game there was no platform for
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them he said come over to my house in Cambridge bring some beers and we'll have a yarn and we went over there with
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a dozen beers I think he drunk about 10 of them and in the first 15 minutes as well he was hoovering he he's he's a big
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boy though he was up for he was up for the chat big dick energy was a term coined for Eric Murray like that guy has
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just the the most like upbeat full on energy and it was an awesome episode and I was like holy [ __ ] if we can get one
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of our greatest ever Olympians to open up like that that transcends football and Sport this that's going to appeal to
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everyone and it got a bit wider reach than normal got some good like Twitter was quite big for us back then I think
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like guy haval or someone like that shared it on Twitter and like that was a big moment for us because you know he
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had thousands of followers and it's just really slow small little gains but mostly it just put fuel in our tank
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we're like [ __ ] that was fun like who's next and then lockdown lockdown helped
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us as well cuz we were no one was able to go anywhere people were sitting around we invested in streamyard
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technology which was kind of like zoom on steroids so it kind of kept the it kept a solid base so we were able to
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keep ticking over um while everyone was sitting around and I guess that was kind
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of that was good in terms of like just honing just there's that whole 10,000
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hours rule right so it's just like just aggregating kind of our skill as we grew
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and grew and grew um and just got better and better at it and then that consistency element came in eventually I
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think in year two yeah I I credit lockdown to our growth because when you're building a podcast it's really
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hard to get high-profile guest especially when you're starting out well harder now because there's so many
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podcasts at that point there weren't quite so many but with lockdown people had nowhere to go like no one had an
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excuse to be out anywhere to talk to someone we knew they had to be home and so it
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was just a matter of just finding a night where they didn't have anything else to do have a couple of beers and
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we'll ask you good questions about your life and we ticked off like we we were
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pretty prolific across that period like one a week and and slowly you build a template to go to guests and say oh we
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just had John Kuan on we had Laura McGoldrick on you know would you consider coming on and then it sort of
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snowballs and like you probably exp yeah same sort of thing people are like well
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if it's good enough for surley Bloomfield then I I defin come on sort of thing yeah you find that it's almost
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like a dick swinging thing in a way yeah um when did you guys start to become like consistent cuz if if you go back on
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Spotify like to the very early episodes it's like there'll be one and then maybe
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a month without another one yeah so episode 50 was Ryan Nelson so when you are a football podcast there is no
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better guest than Ryan Nelson he is the Everest we've just done Chris Wood who
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who would be a close second I think K2 but Ryan Nelson the Ming to and I remember remember we had a wall it was
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like [ __ ] we've just clocked football where do we go from here it's like who
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who is ever going to compare to Ryan Nelson and I think we did we have a few conversations about like should we
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continue yeah I think it was it was around Ryan Nelson I think the other one was Steven's the arrival of Billy
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Steven's third child and it was kind of like well I'm going to have to take some
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time off to support Bor and look after the kids it was kind of like oh [ __ ] that's the end of that's the end of that
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like it a month will turn into six weeks with two months and what was a good kind
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of idea will just fade away into the distance like so many before but for some reason we double down and cuz no
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Financial game 50 episodes not making any money taking a lot of time like we're traveling we're we're traveling to
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Oakland to bring a microphone yeah shout out to the patrons that that jumped on so we set up a patreon account and I
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kind of only ever heard it on like YouTube videos of like subscribers can do this bit this bits in peace but that
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sustained like our website our streamyard like just kind of the little bits and pieces so that we were hand to
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mouth almost but we were investing our own money into kind of making it work like Steven said driving around the
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place just enjoying other people's company but yeah when your wife is is looking after two young kids when you're
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off driving to South Oakland to talk to Kin Fel she's like really like what what
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are we doing here guys yeah well I mean at that point it's basically going out
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for 9 holes of golf is it like um I bet the um the patreon thing like do you have you got all right money out of that
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over the years I've been reluctant to go with a a pay set of model cuz I just
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feel like kiwi aren't into it yeah look we we haven't put that much effort into
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it it's like people set up a patreon and they give special things to people that
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sign up and we never for whatever reason we were just like look if you'd like to
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support the show that would be awesome but we're we're not going to do anything
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extra and so it's been pretty consistent it's and it's a small amount it's like
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400 bucks a month but not many have canceled like they're the ogs they're
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the ones that stuck with us from the early days from football and they they're kind of just still there it's
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cool it's like shamuses it keeps the lights on yeah generally speaking the only cancellations are just when credit
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cards expire people have people have forgotten that they were they were members and it just just doesn't it just
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doesn't renew and they're kind of like hey do you still listen to the podast
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yeah of course I do when people do one of those yearly chicks like what what is Amazon Prime I haven't watched that in
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months cost a cup of coffee [ __ ] it's way more than that um okay so let's go all the way back so
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how do how do you guys know each other Steve you were a real good soccer player right at a regional level is that feir
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to say yep I think that's you're and you're a and you're a journalist and and Sheamus you're like a
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sports administrator yeah yeah so we go back to high school we go back to Hamilton boy High you the same age no I
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was going to oh good thank you I'll s I'll s I'll sort you out later I just
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realized when I said I don't want to look at anyone in particular yeah yeah no very good I'm I'm a lot younger than
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um no we were in the same Judah class we call it I don't don't know what you I
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don't know what what it is in the v like the modern vacular but you know when
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you've got like T yeah year 13s down to year NES third form through to seventh
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form your registration class in the morning so we were in the same class um I was the captain of the first living
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football at that stage and Steve was a young upand cominging footballer as you said and he played for the school first
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11 in fourth form which was very unheard of back then wow and um took took you under my wing the inaugural Super Eight
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Tournament down at Englewood that's right in taranaki and uh we kind of just
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kept in contact after that from that point sh became a mentor so he he sort of was out in the in the real world as I
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was you know nating still at school navigating those difficult teenage years and he used to send you remember he used
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to send emails and they'd have like little motivational quotes and stuff when he was working at Pizza hard and he
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was at sort of World Cups and things yeah and Shay was this big Wise Guy of the world
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still am I I still am a but yeah yeah exactly ex exactly so so was um was it was it a friendship or like a like a
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like a mentor sort of situation yeah it's it's an interesting one to look
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back on because like Steven said I was a few years older so I was already like it
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really was galvanized talk about chadam cup chadam cups earlier so Melvin went on the chadam cup run in 2003 and Stevie
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was like the hero at age 17 and they won this game at Central United they were kiwi teer Street like a glam Club here
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in Oakland and all of the fans of which I was one of them like flooded the pitch
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at the end of it and I remember locking eyes with Steven on the pitch and giving
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him a big hug and at some point I was after that I was like [ __ ] that was like
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this real weird magical moment he then went off to the US to go on a college scholarship oh you were real good yeah
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he was really good nationally good that's why I said no he wasn't regionally good he was nationally how
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did you end up a journalist and a broke podcaster how did you [ __ ] it up so yeah yeah I ask myself that all the time
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don't get into journalism yeah it's the hips it's the hips it's the hips and
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hammies um yeah I think that's a fear fear retail and and you just you've kept
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in touch all the way through yeah yeah yeah that's when I was sending the emails when he was in America and then I
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think when you come back after you graduated I was working for a football organization here a regional football
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organization and he came in and worked in the media Department lasted a period of time maybe a year year and a half
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yeah yeah sh was hit of comption oceanian football Confederation which is you know was quite a big job I was a
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worker in the media department so yeah I would walk down the hallway every day we'd go have lunch um yeah about two
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years and then he chucked it in to become a poker player oh what actually yeah yeah I can't tell if he means it on is
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po exactly um is this right this this feels very Forest Gumpy there lots of strands no I
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left the ofc job to tra chase a professional dream so I was wanted to be a professional footballer oh yes and I
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went across to Australia and I had a contract which didn't work out and I ended up back at my parents house in
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Hamilton and so I was uh 23 24 uh the global recession had just hit and there weren't a lot of jobs out there so I was
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like well [ __ ] when I was in America I played poker a lot during the summer and
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I earned a little bit of money from it can I dedicate myself to poker for one month and how much money can I earn and
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I did it for one month and I earned $1,000 a week us I was like oh [ __ ] that's pretty good probably more than I
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would earn at any other job can I do this can I put three months together if I if I can put three months together
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consistently then I will consider myself a professional poker player and I'll
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move to mount mongui and I did it so I moved to mount moui and when I was there I met up with these big time poker
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players who did tournament poker so long story short they took me under their wing we moved to a big house in papamoa
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there was seven of us all professional poker players it's my my wife came in
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and lived with us when we were there and we played poker we bought in for $3 to $4,000 of tournaments every day we
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played four days a week we drank a lot we partied a lot we all moved to Queenstown together I shacked up with um
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Chris Mormon who we had on the podcast who is the winningest online poker player of all time he's won about $40
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million playing poker he lived with us so it was this wild ride of Poker about 3 years traveling around just working
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off my own schedule um learning from these masterminds and then they all moved to Vegas bought a house there I
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was with Bon we didn't fancy it moved to Orland did it for about another six
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months to a year where I was everyone else in my house would get up and they would leave uh and go to work and I
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would sit there with a computer there would be about 16 games I'd be playing
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at a time and I was like this this is an antisocial like this isn't the future
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like I need to get out of this so I got out of it I applied for a job at The Herald and I've been there for the last
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13 years so Steven's dad is a top top journalist from uh Hamilton from the W
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at of time so Sports journalist from Wayback so journalism's in his blood as
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well so downplaying that side of it a little bit and then all the while that was happening I was doing all this stuff
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in football and soccer Administration going to World Cups in Germany and Canada and all around the world and kind
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of doing getting my life experience through my vocation which was pretty cool at the same time but um not
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conducive to kind of a um a great life style so it kind of looked flashy from the outside but probably on the inside
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was a little bit kind of uh shallow yeah and when when did the McDonald's um
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story happen this is something that come anyone that listens to your podcast I suppose on a regular or semi-regular
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basis will hear Sheamus tell a McDonald's story and Steve almost I don't know I don't know it feel
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it's kind of playful banter I guess yeah but you can always feel you eye rolling
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on the inside yeah it's like about poker your handbreak is McDonald's story what
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is the McDonald's story for anyone that's so in 2012 I was the team operations team Ops for the New Zealand
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men's football team that went to the London Olympics so if you've ever been
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to Olympic Games you go to the athlete Village there's whatever food that you
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want um and there's a McDonald's in there because they're an official
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partner so together with a physio Roland Jeffrey who's another early guest of
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ours on the podcast we decided before we flew that we would have a cheeseburger eating competition to see who could eat
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the most now I'm far far superior to him in terms of my um size capacity exactly
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and um so it was all kind of the it was the talk of the group and we were ready to go so the games hadn't started yet so
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we all piled down to the dining hall and yeah sure enough one after one these cheeseburgers started coming out and
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like the lads were all around you had 18 players like six staff some of the other
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New Zealand staff had come down so we just we just ate and eight and eight and then like we lost the day afterwards we
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were both r ruined and then we woke up we were in Austria cuz the team had a pre had a pre-tournament game over in
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Austria but in the postmatch uh the post games kind of debriefs apparently The Story Goes that the black sticks hockey
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team wrote a formal complaint to the New Zealand Olympic Committee that the New Zealand under 23 men's football team
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didn't take competition seriously they were all leading McDonald's before the
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competition and it was they were just treating it like a big joke so I can't
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believe I've set through the cheeseburger story again from the podcast I like I can't believe
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it's come you did it very well you s Meely and let me have my moment thank you very much yeah so um who who who do
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you think your favorite guest has been so far is it hard for you to have one I find it really hard to to to when people
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ask me that question I find it really hard to kind of narrow that down so I'm
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going to let Steve answer it while I think long and hard about who that's been okay I can even give you three or
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five if you want yeah um do they all sort of blend into one for you a little bit and there's recency bias so it's
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almost like the guests who have you know been in the last couple of months are more top of mind um the one which was a
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bit of a breakthrough for us was Dave Wood so Dave is is rna's um mental skills coach and breathing coach and he
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was a bit of a late so we had a guest pull out and his wife who's also his business partner reached out to us and
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said oh would you like Dave on your pod I'm like yeah all right it'd be fine um
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and then looked into his story and holy [ __ ] his story was amazing and he was a
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guest which I would say most people didn't know and it was one of our most popular episodes
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and it just opened up this whole world of health and wellness and I went and did has come under pressure workshop and
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we've had a really good relationship since I've got issues he's been helping
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with me my hips and it's kind of the story of a lot of guests is the relationships we develop with them
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because what we're doing and what you're doing with long form podcast over 90
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minutes we're asking people to be really vulnerable and really authentic and when
00:23:58
you have those conversations and those connections you like it's it's meaningful you develop like friendships
00:24:04
a lot of the time uh the other one that Springs to mind and I know you've had
00:24:07
her on as well is mam Motu and oh man um that podcast overwhelmed me so at the end I I sort of held it together quite
00:24:19
well cuz her her story for those that don't know is is incredibly inspiring and equally horrific the domestic abuse
00:24:25
she suffered and she's so bubbly and fun and energetic and Lively and such an
00:24:30
amazing person at the end I was reflecting on uh basically her story and where she is a world champion from
00:24:38
someone who was living in a car with her two kids and a dollar and had absolutely
00:24:42
nothing and had suffered this terrible abuse and all the emotion came pouring out of me and I was trying to do the
00:24:47
wrapup and I just started crying and I just couldn't sort of stop and Shay was
00:24:53
really good and and we've learned this through the Journey that it's it's okay
00:24:58
to sit in silence and let they have the moment so he didn't try to jump in he
00:25:01
just sort of waited for me to reather my composure and then I sort of finished it
00:25:05
off and passed it on to him so whenever I think of which episodes affected me the most I mean that clearly did that
00:25:12
that was was really really strong yeah actually I um yeah I I cried with meia as well I found myself breaking down
00:25:19
like sh we just got to a point of the interview I we talked about the frequency of the beatings that she got
00:25:24
over a period of a decade and I said they they stopped though during your pregnancy's right and she was like no no
00:25:30
they they didn't and it just it just hit me right at that moment was so horrible
00:25:35
and you think I don't know when I had her own I was I I was having a [ __ ] week
00:25:39
I had some stuff going on and then you realized like whatever adversity like 99% of people have got going on in their
00:25:45
lives it's nothing compared to what she went through and as you said she's so
00:25:48
bubbly and so lovely and so positive yeah I like to think they were happy tears it wasn't I wasn't crying because
00:25:55
of what had happened to her I was crying because of what what she had come through and achieved and the person she
00:26:00
is now and the inspiration she is to people out there who are I mean the thing you learn about this is everyone's
00:26:08
story impact like the Ripple on effect of people listening and getting affected and being helped by these messages is so
00:26:15
powerful just by talking about it and voicing it and I had friends who commented to me about they had been
00:26:21
suffering similar situations and hearing her talk about you know being open about
00:26:25
it and talking about it and battling through it's just just so helpful you one thing you said just before that I
00:26:30
want want to pick up on you um talked about it's okay sitting in silence and
00:26:34
that is um that is a big got there's so many things that you guys do on your
00:26:39
podcast that I've um sort of borrowed I guess or stolen plagiar we stole from
00:26:44
someone else we stole from because of my commercial radio background there's this
00:26:50
natural sort of tendency that's INB built in me to to to to jump in and not be able to sit in any silence and I'm
00:26:56
trying to unlearn learn that and I I've got a lot from you guys and uh even stealing a every time I say the line um
00:27:03
you know talk about this in as much or as little DET detail as what you want I say to myself [ __ ] come up come up with
00:27:10
another way of saying the same message you're stealing that [ __ ] but um but I
00:27:15
I'm I'm inspired by what what you guys do I think you do a remarkable job oh
00:27:19
thank you it's High Tide Rises all boats right so like the the the I think the
00:27:24
beauty of this part of what we've been doing as well is just seeing everybody
00:27:28
else get on the journey and there's a real humbling sense that people are now
00:27:32
looking at us as people that they can learn off which is [ __ ] blows my mind to think we're sitting here with a guy
00:27:39
that I listened to for majority of my adolescent years who loves what we do like it's a real um interesting kind of
00:27:47
dynamic to find yourself in yeah what a it's I mean it's a different skill set
00:27:51
so I you know I'm I find I'm learning and um I whenever I go to the the app
00:27:57
chat and I see I'm ahead of you guys I'm like oh oh get a screen cap of that cuz I feel you guys are are the
00:28:04
leaders I think and um the long form podcast thing um one thing I'm fny which
00:28:09
is quite nice it's um you know we can have the same guest on it doesn't feel
00:28:14
like it it matters I don't know I feel like there's enough difference in our
00:28:18
style of podcast that people aren't going to go oh yeah I've heard me aoto I
00:28:21
don't want to hear her again well it actually helps us in our method as well
00:28:24
because we aggregate we aggregate the best kind of stories from every so if there's more of that person out there
00:28:29
for us it makes our research kind of task easier but I think you're right I think everybody's kind of got a
00:28:34
different lens and they'll find some part of somebody's story different even
00:28:38
between the two of us we find um different pieces of somebody's story quite different because we've got
00:28:43
different outlooks on life different kind of previous experiences that we can lean into and rely on as well so um I I
00:28:49
think it's it's an amazing kind of space that we find ourselves in and like I've
00:28:55
finally cracked on my favorite episode and I'll I'll Loop I'll Loop right back
00:29:02
to that one but it was it's kind of that idea or that notion of kind of challenging perceptions and it was Grant
00:29:06
Fox and it was foxy when like growing up I saw him as this kind of austere guy that um you know played for the ABS and
00:29:14
was kind of much maligned and then he transitioned into being a coach and a selector and he kind of had this media
00:29:19
persona but then when he came into the episode with us and he spoke so um emotionally I think about his work with
00:29:26
big brother and you know his his friendship with the late super yeah yeah he he he welled up and started crying
00:29:33
yeah and I think there's a there's a yeah it's a it's a weird moment there
00:29:38
when you've got three men sitting in a conversation that are just very comfortable in each other's emotions and
00:29:44
letting somebody go in their emotion whereas I don't know like kind of you're
00:29:48
brought up of a certain generation that you you know men don't cry and you've
00:29:52
got to hold everything in and be stoic and be this person but um no that that's
00:29:56
one of the great things I think think about the platform in general not just what we do but what a whole lot of
00:30:00
podcasters do is that they're bringing these conversations these topics to light and normalizing the conversation
00:30:06
around them as well how are how are you guys with um like vulnerability yourself
00:30:11
and being uh like in terms of walls and stuff like have have you always been good Steve or do you find like being
00:30:17
married and being a dead of four now it's like with each birth the Wall comes
00:30:20
down a little bit Yeah it it really does um I think when we started I would have
00:30:25
been quite stoic and afraid to show emot um and things just get me now which I think it's the kids I think it's the
00:30:33
family and like with me story the kids involved like like pulls on strings but also because we've been doing this
00:30:41
journey together me and Shay best friends who started this thing in my garage and now we're on this sort of
00:30:48
Epic wave and we're not really sure where it's going there are moments where
00:30:52
we reflect on you know difficult times for us which get me as well and there'll
00:30:58
be T like what do you mean have you got an example uh yeah guyan espa came on our show and um really weird dynamic
00:31:06
because our show is between two beers and it's sponsored by export gold gion
00:31:11
was on to promote his book about how better his life has called the drinking G since he stopped giving up alcohol and
00:31:18
Sheamus has been off the booze for about two years now and towards the second half of the episode uh Shay started sort
00:31:27
of talking about his experience with booze and Shay I don't want to speak on
00:31:33
your behalf for me but um is it the cheeseburger story sh Shay is in probably having the best year of his
00:31:40
life like he is smashing it on all fronts and I remember we might have started the Pod
00:31:47
it might have been early days um he was not in a great place like struggling it's all right man go for it
00:31:59
and yeah as you can see when I think about how far he's come and how difficult those
00:32:08
conversations were it gets me yeah yeah I think it's been really good in terms
00:32:15
of making making sense of the world for me um it's given me um a voice where sometimes a lot of
00:32:24
maybe what I was thinking or things that were rling around my head they wouldn't
00:32:29
come out and they'd bottle them in and my way of coping was to turn to the bottle and it was to to drink and to
00:32:34
suppress to suppress those emotions and and maybe not deal with them um and you get courage from other people having the
00:32:41
courage to share their story and it gives you a little flicker of oh I've felt like that or I've been in that
00:32:47
position and I think with the podcast you've got to give to get and I think yeah it's like a vulnerability exchange
00:32:56
is it yeah but not in a not in a [ __ ] um like you drink Seven up and I drink eight up you know what I mean like it's
00:33:03
it's not about like who's had a [ __ ] experience but it's about it's about
00:33:06
it's about I guess showing showing who you are and showing that you understand
00:33:10
and you have you have a level of empathy and yeah it has been like in terms of of
00:33:15
of that situation yeah I was in the the darkest depths that I I had been yeah why what what um was there any sort of
00:33:23
like Catalyst I think probably I was looking around and like comparison as a thief of Joy or
00:33:29
whatever however that whatever that saying goes and I was sort of mid late 30s no relationship I was living at home
00:33:35
with my mom which is totally fine but you're dunkan gner if you're listening
00:33:39
to this it's all good but um you know like life is a shared experience as well so you know
00:33:46
I'd love my mom dearly um and I love spending time with her but there there is an element of joy that was probably
00:33:52
missing so while I was able to do some cool things and travel around and and have exciting experiences you want to
00:33:59
share those with people right you want to share they aren't just your family so
00:34:02
there was probably a little bit of sadness and probably a little bit of um avoidance in that in that kind of time
00:34:08
of my life and um yeah they're probably all coming home to roost I was yeah feeling a bit sorry for myself being
00:34:16
like I said that age no house no kind of assets not that they be all and end or but in my mind it was yeah it was where
00:34:23
it was so it was yeah a little bit of courage and I'd like to say a little bit
00:34:28
of nouse or a sense from from Steven that something was up and then we had a really you know challenging conversation
00:34:36
at a cafe with another one of our good friends a good supporter of the podcast gav Douglas around what's going on and
00:34:41
and you know have you thought about doing anything silly and I had at that stage thought about you know maybe the
00:34:47
world would be a better place if I kind of wasn't around in it and yeah that's a
00:34:51
hard conversation to have with a mate it's a hard conversation to to have on a
00:34:56
microphone and it's a confronting one to throw it out to the world for them to
00:35:00
kind of consume and the shame and and fear of judgment and what that means for you as a person but the overwhelming
00:35:08
response to anything that I think either of us have ever thrown out there has been one of adoha and one of love coming
00:35:13
back and understanding and acceptance of of those things so that's a really powerful um Foundation to kind of launch
00:35:22
from and yeah I am having a great year it's going it's going it's going it's
00:35:27
going really good and do do do you what what oh you you just had a little twinkle in your eye like a relationship
00:35:32
thing you mean or all this you think is like largely as a result of the um non-drinking yeah I think so I think
00:35:39
it's definitely like yeah there's [ __ ] times where you've got to sit with the
00:35:42
feeling of whatever you're feeling and go [ __ ] I I really have to unpack why
00:35:45
I'm feeling this way or why I'm reacting to this situation but it's a lot for me
00:35:51
not saying it's the same for everybody else but for me it's it's a lot of a
00:35:54
better way to kind of work through that and be comfortable in your own skin about who you kind of who you are and
00:36:00
what you're about cuz [ __ ] you are who you are at the end of the day um yeah
00:36:05
yeah I heard heard a podcast that um a podcast I really like called Diary of a CEO you guys are familiar with that one
00:36:10
very much and um steo from Jackass was on there and he talked about um you know the disease of alcoholism and he goes
00:36:16
any disease you have your goal is generally to get back to the person you were before like meaning say cancer for
00:36:22
example you just want to get back to where you were he said like um the disease of like alcoholism or drug
00:36:27
addiction it's the only disease where when you give it up your life will be better yeah I thought oh that is a that
00:36:34
is a great way of looking at it so was it kind of an intervention like a like casually like a an intervention [ __ ]
00:36:41
Steve that must have taken a lot of balls on your part it was a checkup it was you know you know when things uh are
00:36:51
a bit off and you get a sense that they're more serious than what's been
00:36:56
LED on and and I I felt like it needed a really clear question um to get to to to
00:37:02
get to what the [ __ ] is like you know when when Shay was in this dark dark space he was he was shielding how bad it
00:37:11
was and it wasn't until I asked you know are you considering doing something
00:37:16
silly or whatever it was that it opened this this ched up and Fa man like yeah it send us on a bit of a ride like we
00:37:26
were I don't know how much you want to talk about it but we were booking shrinks and we were like talking to your
00:37:32
brother and like there was this whole thing and I like to think it was a really cool thing like there was a group
00:37:41
of us a group of us best mates and we all came together and we're like [ __ ]
00:37:47
we're a bit worried about [ __ ] here like what are we going to do and that community that came around you fact
00:37:54
ask that's um I mean it's it's it's a big um I feel like it's a big friendship
00:38:00
risk he like he could have taken it the wrong way and um you stormed out or then
00:38:05
just being um aloof with you moving forward with the information that he shares with
00:38:10
you I supp you to be ready for the our friendship was tighter than that it was never going to go to there it was it was
00:38:17
always going to be this just means we have to address what's going on um this
00:38:21
just means we actually have to fa face this front on and yeah just [ __ ] hug the big guy and and let's get him
00:38:29
through it which is why I'm so emotional it's just because you don't often reflect on well
00:38:36
we've never reflected on it until now like really like the conversation happened we were in a
00:38:42
cafe surface level spoken about it maybe since then I don't think I've ever
00:38:45
spoken to Gavin about it ever since no um yeah so you're kind of you're just
00:38:50
yeah you brush over it and you kind of move on yeah I mean what are what are your Recollections of it uh not not that
00:38:56
same level of detail I I don't even I I kind When you mention it like I do remember that you you someone contacted
00:39:02
my brother cuz weirdly I got a phone call out of the blue like just asking how I was um which which doesn't always
00:39:09
or hadn't always happened how how did you reply I I don't I'd probably be like
00:39:13
yeah no all good yeah that's probably that was that's probably my default or
00:39:16
make make a gag or something like that but um yeah I like I I I I maybe didn't
00:39:22
realize that it was so obvious or Apparent from the outside um um yeah it had been it was probably on the tail end
00:39:29
of quite a challenging time where I was I was up in papini for two years working
00:39:32
on a project which really pushed me to my limit um every which way you could imagine so it um I was maybe just in a
00:39:41
bit of a blur at that stage I don't remember really when I came maybe came out of it I don't know but but then like
00:39:48
that was even before the drinking stop so I think we had that situation and then carried on boozing you know for a
00:39:54
while and then the boozing finished 2019 yeah so that was a separate 2020 conversation right like that wasn't oh
00:40:03
I'm getting them confused okay so when did this one happen uh that would have
00:40:07
been 2018 may maybe this before the podcast start podcast and then the drinking conversation was was a separate one um
00:40:16
it had just annoy it had just annoyed me to be honest cuz Shay for anyone listening to this like
00:40:22
Shay is the most charismatic man in the room like he comes in he makes everyone feel comfortable he's the life of the
00:40:28
party but after a few beers he would just get sloppy and he would get I wouldn't like hanging out with him after
00:40:36
he' maybe like one beer fine two beers okay and after that I was just like M I
00:40:40
actually don't like hanging out with you when you've been drinking because what
00:40:43
do you mean what do you mean sloppy like a like a spit talker pisty just pisty and just like I'm very clever like very
00:40:50
witty and very like very very good level of gags but then like but like a really
00:40:57
seedy undertone to the gags you sure you're not on the coke this something someone on the coke would say I'm very
00:41:03
very good yeah it was you know well there was a little bit of everything but you know it was um it was yeah I I like
00:41:09
I could recognize that behavior and um yeah it was it was just picking up the pieces in the next morning as well and
00:41:16
being like [ __ ] it was like a broken record conversation of like H I'm like
00:41:20
I'm here again but it was conversations were often in my kind of own head and I
00:41:23
do remember vividly that that first that first flare up where he was having a pop
00:41:28
at me and I didn't like it and I think I didn't like it because I knew it was no
00:41:31
no one no one's going to like it are they no but I think also it ate away because I knew he was right and it was
00:41:37
like [ __ ] I just I remember saying like you're just not it's like a [ __ ]
00:41:42
weird therapies that's great I appreciate you're not you're not living up to your
00:41:47
potential like you've got so much potential like you're starting to fulfill your potential starting to but
00:41:52
back then you're in some [ __ ] shitty job and you're pissed up and I was like
00:41:57
man you've got so much to give [ __ ] cut the booze out like let's get this
00:42:01
get this uh train back on the tracks [ __ ] that's nice I think that's the
00:42:06
greatest gift you can give someone as a friend eh like have the courage to have that conversation it'd be much easier
00:42:10
just to bite your tongue and not have it but I had I mean I I had bit my tongue for a long time and I think that was the
00:42:16
culmination like his tongue was raw man Sam Seth you need to stop dring but it's it's a weird relationship with boo
00:42:28
because for so long we had also championed it like we used to go to these labor weekend tournaments where
00:42:33
Shay would be doing 16 funnels on the sideline and we'd all be chanting shus
00:42:37
show like he was the hero cuz he could SN so much piss so it's kind of and that
00:42:42
gives you this weird gratitude like gratification kind of cycle as well that's a page of Honor yeah was it was a
00:42:48
thing you know sh he can he can hold us piss in certain name here he can hold us
00:42:53
piss it was it was and probably still is I guess a bee of Honor I don't know I
00:42:56
feel like the conversation's changed but then I'm old as [ __ ] now so if I go Ahad
00:43:00
and say I don't want to drink I don't have anyone calling me a [ __ ] yeah yeah
00:43:04
it's an age thing yeah that was mid 20s late 20s like you can't be doing that
00:43:08
when you I still I still I Frank the Tank just not the same doing a doing a power rid out of a shoe is
00:43:15
it oh that's neat that's really really special but like I think it's um it's
00:43:20
definitely like I think it's an example as well for friendships that that we can
00:43:24
have that level of directness and honesty um in conversation and it's probably been
00:43:31
honed in this kind of environment where we do have license to ask challenging questions to people um and then to take
00:43:40
that out of this environment into it kind of everyday life as a as a skill as well yeah yeah yeah I'd agree um yeah
00:43:48
I've been doing a lot leot a lot of short of time than what you guys have but um one thing I've realized is that
00:43:52
everyone's got a [ __ ] going on yeah absolutely everyone and when you when you realize that it's actually quite
00:43:57
comforting it's like oh okay I'm I'm not special I'm not alone it's just
00:44:01
everyone's got [ __ ] going on even people that you wouldn't even expect yeah
00:44:03
absolutely which I think that's cool it's a broken record as well but you
00:44:06
know like if by listening or comparing yourself if there is one person out there it's a [ __ ] cliche it winds me
00:44:14
up but if there is one person out there that takes some Solace and can avoid the
00:44:18
feelings that you felt yourself in that moment then that's [ __ ] worth it that's worth the the embarrassment or
00:44:24
kind of the uncom discom of um being in that space or having that conversation or facing up to that reality really is
00:44:32
yeah and how's your mental health now you're good yeah I'm really good yeah I
00:44:35
am really good it's um yeah it's it's it's uh I really enjoy the ability to do
00:44:42
what we do and I why I find it quite hard to nail down like a favorite episode is because when I I listen back
00:44:49
to everything that we do like from welcome to between two beers to the outros that I tend to to throw together
00:44:56
that's not a dig at you yeah I don't but like they just they're just
00:45:01
packed with little nuggets of wisdom and they're amazing gifts that we've been
00:45:07
privy to that yeah they just they they do all blend into one but I always find there's some little piece that I can
00:45:14
pull from whoever we've spoken to that I can adapt and and relate to whatever I'm
00:45:19
going through or feeling or or make sense of at that moment it's [ __ ] awesome so yeah really good really good
00:45:25
um really good head space um right here right now well that's brilliant because
00:45:30
being in that space where you're like w do I want to live anymore it's like it's
00:45:33
not a it's not a great place to be is it it's not nice no it's horrendous and I
00:45:38
don't think anyone actually actually really wants to die they just want the pain to stop yeah but I suppose I
00:45:42
suppose that's the thing you can stop you can stop actually I don't think the
00:45:45
pain actually stops though so it gets transferred around to other people around you yeah yeah totally when when
00:45:49
you're in that space where you'd rather sleep than go than leave the house for
00:45:53
the day that's not that's that's not a great kind of place to be but but there
00:45:57
are people in there and anyone that is in that space that might be listening to this at the moment man just reach out
00:46:03
talk to someone um yeah give those thoughts some air because the worst place they can kind of reside and stay
00:46:09
is in your own head yeah and what what about you Steve how's your mental health
00:46:13
been yeah good I suppose the reason I asked this is I know you've you've been
00:46:17
into like cold showers and whm Hof stuff and um I find I don't know for me personally I'm probably projecting here
00:46:24
um yeah I found that's something incredibly useful for my mental health and other people that I've met that have
00:46:29
done like whm Hoff stuff and cold showers same sort of thing it's like they're looking for a solution or
00:46:33
something to make them feel mentally better yeah I went through a phase in my I'm 38 now maybe in my early 30s through
00:46:40
experimentation and I was trying all these different things and life hacks and seeing what what really connected
00:46:45
with me and I got really into the Wim Hoff method which is the the breathing and the cold showers I love the
00:46:50
breathing and in our early episodes I talked about a lot like how good it was and I always thought that would be
00:46:55
something I would always do but I don't do that anymore but I still do the cold
00:46:59
showers I still do the the cold immersion is the one that stood the test of time so for the last three years
00:47:04
maybe four years I've had a cold shower every morning every night and there's
00:47:09
all sorts of sort of scientific benefits that go along with it but for me you've
00:47:12
never had a hot shower in in four years no I have had a hot shower but I I would
00:47:16
say 98% of the time I'm um yeah a guess that I really want on my podcast you
00:47:21
guys have had her I haven't had her yet Sarah hiy she hasn't had a hot shower in
00:47:25
years yeah really but it's the it's the psychological wi you know when you get
00:47:30
in that shower you're going to have a shower regardless um the easy thing to
00:47:34
do is to turn it warm the hard thing to do is to turn it cold so if you turn it cold and you conquer that challenge you
00:47:39
get your day off that'll be the hardest thing like middle of winter having a
00:47:42
cold shower at 5: in the morning that will be the hardest thing you do for the whole day if you can get a little wi
00:47:47
under your Bel early doors like you just feel a million bucks it's just like a a
00:47:51
Kickstarter to the day yeah and I found that you talk about me house the the thing that I have learned is that the
00:47:59
hardest things to do are the ones that make me feel the best and there's a few
00:48:03
things and there's like fasting I do long fast I'll eat with the kids at 5:00
00:48:08
will be my first meal of the day it's cold showers uh it's swimming which I I
00:48:14
wasn't able to run anymore after like running being a big part of my life and
00:48:17
I hated swimming and I dreaded the thought of getting in the pool then I got swimming lessons as an adult man got
00:48:23
swimming lessons and now I swim and it's something I hated and I really disliked
00:48:27
for a long time weeks and weeks and weeks and now I love it so it's these things which are difficult to start with
00:48:32
that you overcome and then you I'm not going to say I love a cold shower but I
00:48:37
I feel I love the feeling afterwards yeah yeah I get that I fully fully agree I think you're doing hard things um
00:48:44
helps build resilience doesn't it gives you a bit of self- Pride yeah being comfortable in the uncomfortable is is
00:48:50
just like I'm so I'm so on board with that um and and every part of my life
00:48:55
when I whenever I come across something which I feel is quite challenging and with four kids in a job and a podcast
00:49:01
and coaching two teams there's a lot going on but I always just yeah I I sort
00:49:08
of walk into those challenges but also perspective and again from the guest it's like [ __ ] yeah there's a lot on but
00:49:13
it's not that hard compared to what Brad smil has been through you know yeah yeah that's the thing um yeah
00:49:20
sh you mentioned the saying before yeah comparison is the theft of Joy but if you don't have to comp gear down very
00:49:26
far to see how good you've got it whether it's your motus or your Brad Smiler or whoever Josh Coman like oh
00:49:33
incredible human yeah that was like th those and I think to your point before about we've had similar guests on I
00:49:41
don't think any amount of retelling of of Josh's story in particular will ever
00:49:47
do it justice I think it's a story that a lot of people need to listen to In
00:49:51
terms not in terms of what he's had to go through but in terms of the out look
00:49:55
that he has on life like that's been my like we spoke before about you know where you at and is this the best year
00:50:02
like I think just my Outlook and my perspective of life has changed through the interactions that we've had with
00:50:07
people not only on the podcast but people who listen to the podcast who take the time out to you know reply and
00:50:13
provide feedback like I love when you share feedback that you receive because it does mean a lot it means a lot to you
00:50:20
because it's a justification for the effort that you're putting in and the
00:50:24
respect that you're giving the person in terms of that conversation that that
00:50:28
other people can pick up on what was the what was the one you had um you shared about someone considering taking their
00:50:35
life and then listening to an episode oh my god oh yeah that was remarkable an email I got a couple of weeks ago uh
00:50:40
from a lady that said she was you know thinking about taking her own life and a friend by the way the appalling advice
00:50:45
from the friend the friend was like listen just listen to this podcast listen to a few episodes of this no
00:50:50
don't do that in future yeah I mean yeah there's a few steps you should do before
00:50:55
that give give it a number for Lifeline or whatever but it's touching it's
00:50:59
[ __ ] touching I I radio for a number of years and you get a lot of nice feedback and you know some some of it
00:51:05
some of it is for things that you've done on the year that you you know maybe
00:51:08
it doesn't S entirely comfortable with who you are you know at at your core as
00:51:12
a person um but yeah the conversations that I'm having which I guess there's
00:51:16
parallels between the you know the three of us and what we do um feedback like that is so meaningful eh totally it's
00:51:24
really cool and and I I I can't speak on behalf of you guys but it it gets me
00:51:28
through those dry spells where there's you know um no sponsorship money in sight and you're like what the [ __ ] am I
00:51:34
doing how long do I do this before I go and get a real job again yeah yeah it's
00:51:39
it's a really weird place the podcast scene in New Zealand and you're right
00:51:43
you get fueled by feedback and little drips and someone might sort of come up to you in the street and say I love the
00:51:49
podcast like that is kind of for for a long time that is all we had to to get going but it feels like it feels like
00:51:57
there's a wave building it feels like um I don't know anyone in the media now has
00:52:03
a podcast right toa's got one Duncan Ghana's got one all the big star it's
00:52:07
it's kind of like there's wavers Rising together and that the Outlook seems
00:52:12
pretty bright well it makes sense that it's a future of media I I say to people
00:52:15
it's like radios like um free toar TV podcasters like you know neon or Netflix
00:52:20
or whatever it's like radio on demand it is it makes perfect sense and it's it's
00:52:25
are making a choice to listen and making a choice to to to spend that amount of time the most precious resource to
00:52:31
listen to what you are doing so it's incredibly valuable as well yeah and I mean those connections those connections
00:52:39
they're remarkable you like radio interview feels like a transactional sort of performance in a way you know
00:52:44
it's like four minutes 5 minutes yeah as a host you want to ask some funny questions and hopefully get some funny
00:52:49
Snappy answers and then you're out it's just so transactional then they're off
00:52:53
to the the studio next door so in the space of an hour they'll do like 10 interviews and it's meaningless
00:52:59
yeah and Steve you and I had this chat um shortly after I started last year and um Eric Murray messed me after hour one
00:53:05
and said oh that was really good let's catch up next time without the microphones and just have the have the
00:53:09
chat was really cool someone asked us a while back actually it's a question we
00:53:14
get quite a lot is um how often do you socialize with guests and it got us thinking about the relationships we've
00:53:22
had with people since they've been on the show and I was like [ __ ] we went out
00:53:25
for dinner with Brody Kane where um we hang out with Mike Mano quite a bit I play golf with Marcus Daniel
00:53:34
uh Dom's been to my house and you're like [ __ ] you think about the network that
00:53:40
you're developing in the the community you're building and I said this on one
00:53:44
of our ambassador podcasts but after a certain age it actually gets quite hard to make friends like it does like you
00:53:51
want to hang out what do you mean school no problem but you get to a certain point it's like well it's kind of hard
00:53:56
to invest the time to get to really know someone to put the the groundwork in to
00:54:00
develop friendships but we've found the Hat we' found the shortcut for it CU
00:54:04
we'll get you in for 90 minutes and we will cover all of the most the highs and
00:54:08
lows of your life we'll be vulnerable you'll be authentic with us and like I
00:54:12
said we connect that connection and we know the people so well because it's not
00:54:16
only the episode we're producing we have also listened to probably four or five
00:54:22
different podcasts that done with different people so we know so much more about them than actually goes out to ear
00:54:28
and when someone puts the spotlight on you for 90 minutes and they ask really good questions and they're
00:54:34
empathetically listening to the answers and they're there with you on your journey like it's just it's just a
00:54:39
shortcut to to Absolute connection so it's it's really cool it's it's almost
00:54:45
like we make a new friend every week yeah it is that's exactly what it's like
00:54:49
yeah I do feel like that's the um that's a strength you guys do you you um over
00:54:53
prepare and and as as someone that's been a guest on your podcast like you can see that and you want to deliver you
00:55:00
want to you want to give everything you've got back to you guys because you know that you've put so much effort in
00:55:04
that's just my theory anyway noon Nash said that to us after we we we recorded
00:55:09
with him just up the road I guess at Triumph and disaster um at the end of it said man you could tell within the first
00:55:15
10 minutes that you guys had really prepared for it and then yeah there's an
00:55:19
obligation if someone's made the effort that yeah you meet you meet them it's
00:55:23
the same thing as that vulnerability chat having before you meet them kind of halfway on middle ground and and um yeah
00:55:29
it makes for it makes for cracking interactions and connections no I was in Topo doing some speaking thing and I I
00:55:35
was on my way back and I said oh I'll message Steve and you see what you're up
00:55:38
to and you kindly invited me around to your house even though you had open hom goinging that day and uh the the level
00:55:45
of organization your wife um Bonnie she was um heavily pregnant at the time with
00:55:50
baby number four um and the house was just like so organized and the kids were so well behaved uh it's it's not like
00:55:56
that I mean you got us on a particularly good quiet moment there might have been
00:55:59
10 minutes of of quiet but it is chaos like four kids 95% of people listening to this four kids sounds like a crazy
00:56:07
man of kids like it must sound that oh it is yeah and it is and I totally yeah and I know that because
00:56:14
when I had one kid one of my friends announced they were pregnant with their fourth and I thought what the [ __ ]
00:56:19
crazy like what are they up to so I know how it sounds I know how it is and if anyone comes to my house it's just chaos
00:56:27
all the time and it's full on and it's tantrums and tears and happy dancers and
00:56:32
and it's just it's just all of the senses all at once so if yeah that period you came out don't know what's
00:56:38
going on that's not reality yeah I know but I've um yeah thoroughly enjoyed the
00:56:43
relationship with not not so much you Shamus just because I haven't had much I
00:56:46
feel like Steve's the the secretary of the podcast yeah that's fair he's very
00:56:50
good he's very he's very thorough and very detailed in terms of his admin M I
00:56:56
am the talent the talent I was trying to I was trying to think of what I was what I bring okay so
00:57:03
Steve's like the Rick elad so you let the mar something like that yeah yeah I
00:57:08
am a lot looser with my uh with my administr my podcast administrator how do you how do you structure that
00:57:13
relationship like Steve how do you not get [ __ ] off with him for not pulling us he no I do we actually hate each
00:57:19
other I get very passive aggressive with my communications to him and you know how you can see if someone's like seen a
00:57:27
message I'll send him a little message and then he won't look at it I know it
00:57:30
show up on his phone but he won't look at it but I know he's got it and we've
00:57:33
got this this this really we know each other really really well by now he did it yesterday he's like are you going to
00:57:39
reply to I can't uh I remember who it was I won't say who it was you're going
00:57:43
to reply to so and so and I saw it and I went [ __ ] sake I replied straight away
00:57:48
and then I didn't just I didn't close the loop I didn't do anything I just
00:57:51
left it and he's right I didn't look at the message so that he would see that
00:57:55
I'd seen his message um yeah it works for us it works it doesn't work it's a
00:57:59
funny it's a funny relationship because over time you realize you're not going
00:58:03
to change someone so it's kind of like okay he's not going to respond to emails
00:58:08
I'm going to respond to emails that's fine he'll pick up the slack in some
00:58:12
other area and so it's kind of like he'll listen to every minute of every
00:58:15
episode he listens to every episode I don't do that so you kind of just find
00:58:20
things that work for you and that you enjoy doing um yeah plenty of strengths I guess marriage really isn't it well I
00:58:26
suppose it is and it's um yeah and and because of the history of your relationship and how well you know each
00:58:31
other you can you can have these difficult conversations yeah and we can be brutally honest with each other which
00:58:36
so important yeah rather than letting things Fister yeah but but even um editorially like if someone brings up
00:58:44
you know an angle of a podcast or something like we'll just be like no no [ __ ] I don't like that what are you
00:58:49
doing yeah it's a waste of time stupid question let's you know if you didn't
00:58:52
know the person so well you might think oh [ __ ] I might have to approach that a
00:58:54
bit delicately but it's yeah or vice versa if you really want to fight for an
00:58:58
idea then you've got grounds to do so and be heard as well how um what was I going to ask where was I
00:59:08
going to go with this see I'm I'm not as organized as you guys of course you are
00:59:12
it's gone in there you're just dazzled you're just Daz a lot easier with two
00:59:16
yeah how much how much how much editing do you guys do you guys do much editing no not really we TR only if the
00:59:22
guest wants something cut out yeah ideally we don't um we do this thing at the start
00:59:28
where we tell the guest that uh we want you to be we want you to be happy with what we put out there we're not here to
00:59:35
get you we're not here to create a sensational headline we want you to have editorial control so we're going to ask
00:59:42
you some questions about some really difficult moments um if you're okay with
00:59:46
it uh but know that nothing is going to go out there that you don't want out
00:59:50
there and most of the time 98% of the time no edits are asked for but just by saying that it gives them a security a
01:00:00
safety blanket they're in a safe space and and it just seems to work and that
01:00:06
is a big part of what we do creating the space to have the conversations and the
01:00:12
Preamble before we record you know making them feel comfortable sort of just like just being good humans uh but
01:00:20
you both you both are like it's not like an act or anything it's not a stick like
01:00:24
yeah there's um being from a radio background there's a lot of people that
01:00:27
are like known as radio's nice guys and then off the air it's like oh that guy's
01:00:31
a DK or that guy's a jerk but you guys are genuinely are like what you see is
01:00:35
what you get thank you very much no act whatsoever I I think you get found out I
01:00:38
mean anyone gets found out over 90 minutes like you can put on an act for 10 20 30 like and often in the second
01:00:46
half of the episodes the real personality comes out especially if I've had a couple of beers but like you
01:00:52
people can see through it right people can sense [ __ ] and they can sense authenticity and it's just the most
01:00:58
powerful thing yeah well I've got so much of you guys um like in terms of um
01:01:04
just the the generosity of things like being from a radio background it was always I don't know I suppose it's like
01:01:09
a a scarcity mentality it's like you could you never when you're on radio
01:01:14
you're never supposed to talk about any other radio show because then the thinking is you're giving them publicity
01:01:18
like if you if you mention flet and Vaughn you know you're giving them as if
01:01:21
someone's going to be listening going well all these other buttons on the radio then what what they must you know
01:01:27
it's like it's a really weird mentality but I'm finding the podcast thing and uh
01:01:31
you guys I mean you put me into the same social media person as you guys and Steve you sent early on one my podcast
01:01:37
days you sent me a a link to a Diary of a CEO episode where Steven bartler talks
01:01:42
about how he grew his podcast and it's um it's made me a more generous person
01:01:46
as well oh awesome it's I think it's you're just every now and then I go back and I
01:01:52
have one of those moments I'll be like those [ __ ] they got Mark Ellis and then I I pull pull my head on and
01:01:57
think that that that's the wrong attitude you got to be happy for these guys yeah well it helps everyone yeah
01:02:02
right like the more podcasts that are doing well and bringing in big numbers creates more interest in advertisers and
01:02:08
sponsors and hopefully this thing can cick up a gear and uh we can all leave our jobs yeah but yeah you are nice guys
01:02:15
and you deserve all the success you get but you yeah you you are both still working full-time jobs kind of I've
01:02:22
carved a cool little niche where I'm uh like 20 30 hours a week working in football Administration back in my sweet
01:02:31
spot where I used to be but it's contract so I'm not obliged to be in the
01:02:35
office I try and have some FaceTime with the office where I can um and then do some other bits and pieces so the
01:02:42
juggling Act of a full-time job plus a podcast was really really challenging and I often found when I was working um
01:02:49
that working that job you know when you would excuse yourself or get time away to to go and do a podcast man my
01:02:56
attention would never fully be on it because I'd be thinking [ __ ] like what's
01:02:59
happening with my phone what am I what am I required to do in my job that's paying my bills like where the where's
01:03:05
the slippage what am I'm going to have to make up now having you know a bit more flexibility and being kind of the
01:03:10
master of your own destiny it's it's opened up a whole lot of other opportunities but it means that you can
01:03:16
um yeah you can focus on kind of key areas as as well and and it's a weird one with podcast because I don't listen
01:03:23
to that many other podcast unless I'm researching it's a kind of a weird thing
01:03:27
so you can yeah honing your craft or getting better is an interesting one when you've
01:03:32
got more time on your hands because you just get more I think you just get better by doing more yeah do you guys
01:03:37
like um this this is a radio term but do you a check do you listen back to your work and like self-critique I should do
01:03:46
more of it I used to do a lot in the early days and it helped pick up you know when you I don't know if you have
01:03:52
the when you starting when someone's telling a story and would be like like encouraging like verbally encouraging
01:03:58
them that you're into it and then you'd listen back to a net like Oh shut the
01:04:02
[ __ ] up holy [ __ ] like you just ruined a story by continue I've caught myself doing it
01:04:08
recently like falling back into it of like Ming for encouragement and being like sh shut the just shut up but
01:04:15
there's lots of little things like that where and I go back it just annoys me
01:04:20
and just turns a phrase and just like I can be so critical of my performance yeah uh and which is why I should I
01:04:27
should still listen back but with the time in the day but um I know we could always be improving but I feel like by
01:04:35
yeah fixing a lot of those really rookie mistakes early doors made a big difference I find my biggest work on I
01:04:41
think is I [ __ ] waffle copter before I get to a question so I'll kind of make
01:04:46
this big statement about some sort of thing and then I'll catch myself making
01:04:51
this big statement and then I go [ __ ] I need to ask a question and then I'll
01:04:53
quit like crowbar a question in there that's got nothing to do with the point
01:04:58
that I was making before and whenever I listen back I'm like ah just stop being
01:05:03
so vibos like just ask ask a question get to the point exactly I did it just then yeah um yeah I've sort of stopped
01:05:11
editing I used to go through and like edit them every week and then um I you know I tend to I tend to starter and I
01:05:16
you know I think my my brain and my mouth work at different sort of Paces so I'd get to the end of editing and I'd
01:05:21
find most of the stuff I edited out were just like little stutters that and then
01:05:24
I'd be full of self-loathing at the end I'd be like Oh I'm a piece of [ __ ] so
01:05:27
I've stopped editing it I I feel like the more AI becomes a thing the more that sort of normalness of you know
01:05:34
human conversation and the nuances that come along with it will become I don't
01:05:39
know more important or more more valuable I don't know I think it's endearing to leave the false like within
01:05:45
reason to leave the false starts and to leave the I'm off on a tangent and then
01:05:50
I've gone H I'm not actually making sense here let me come back and start
01:05:53
and start again I think that's that's a natural conversation so the the kind of
01:05:57
my read on a podcast is that's what you want you want to be eavesdropping on a
01:06:01
conversation that's really really interesting and just be a bystander which quite often I find becomes my role
01:06:06
in a podcast not becomes my role but I catch myself just being engrossed in the conversation that's happening in front
01:06:12
of me and then interjecting every now and again when I kind of feel it appropriate but that's where do you
01:06:17
interject every now and then I thought it was just Steve doing all the Talking you guys hear that a lot that you sound
01:06:23
the same all the time all the time even even when I listen back sometimes I think I don't remember asking that
01:06:30
question that's a good question by me yeah that wasn't that wasn't me at all I
01:06:34
so um yeah Steve how do you fit it all in like your time management must be remarkable um so you're you're a
01:06:41
journalist for the New Zealand Herald you do the podcast which is incredible as we've established and you're a data
01:06:46
four yeah um and and I see you on social media on the weekend like with your your
01:06:51
kids at soccer and so you're not even like an absent dad like you I'd say the life hack oh
01:06:59
the hack the podcast hack is that preparation for the podcast is listening to other podcasts and the best time to
01:07:06
listen to a podcast is when you're cleaning the house after the kids are in bed I do a shitload of dishes every
01:07:11
night there's so many like endless dishes and I'm listening to a podcast
01:07:14
and that is work and work at the same time so that certainly helps um I've got
01:07:22
a great job where uh I work from home so there's not I don't waste time in my day
01:07:29
traveling um I do four days a week in Hamilton and one in Oakland so I've got
01:07:34
that balance right um and we have been in the fortunate enough position where the podcast is earning a little bit of
01:07:39
money now where we can Outsource a lot of the jobs that we used to do all of ourselves you mentioned uh a marketing
01:07:46
guy Marcus who does our social media now who's amazing so I'm hands off like now
01:07:51
we record the I re researched the episode weord record the episode he listens through it picks out Clips sends
01:07:57
it to our video producer ja who's also amazing and between them they they pretty much take care of everything so
01:08:05
all of my focus is just on um prepping for the next episode nailing that with added ambassadors in and it's work and
01:08:11
but yeah it is a lot look it's it's it's full on like days are full on um I can't
01:08:18
really explain like I'm up at 6:00 in the morning making three breakfast and
01:08:22
three lunches and getting the kids out the door and then it's working and then
01:08:25
it's swimming lessons and then it's dishes and getting to bed and then podcast prep and it's just rinse and
01:08:31
repeat and weekends as football but it's like it's fun like it's it doesn't feel
01:08:36
like work it's just yeah plus you've got an amazing wife Bonnie oh shout out to
01:08:40
Bon yeah Bon is the best she uh she holds the place together for you you you can't run an operation like the holay
01:08:46
house without a Bonnie holay yeah she must be incredibly supportive and encouraging she's great she's great yep
01:08:52
she uh I don't know the perfect the the perfect companion for me so supportive
01:08:58
um so good with the kids and she's been so understanding with this podcast like
01:09:03
I said for the first two years it was basically a passion project same as going out for golf it was but she saw
01:09:11
the bigger picture and she listens to most episodes and and she's just been just incredibly supportive yeah so how
01:09:18
did you guys meet um so I had a best friend whose name was Ross McKenzie and Bonnie was
01:09:26
his little sister so she's still oh you your mate's little sister she's still is
01:09:31
she still is she still is she always will be isn't your mate's little sister and no go yeah so we made
01:09:38
a well I made a rule I said look if you're going to hook up with your mate's
01:09:41
little sister you got to marry her so I married her and then you got to have four babies with her um yeah
01:09:48
so yeah shorten story Melville United wi the uh Northern premier league in 2009 big
01:09:57
night on the piss everyone's back at my place and we're going out into town me
01:10:01
and Bon are the last two to leag we couldn't all fit in the taxi so we stay behind we end up hooking up we don't go
01:10:08
into town we don't meet the rest of the team but everyone is so drunk they don't
01:10:11
notice they come back in bed the next morning because we had this house where people would just come it was quite
01:10:18
close to town people would just come back and they'd crash anywhere I woke up
01:10:22
next to my now wife Bon and her brother Ross climbed into bed he he had no idea we'd been hooking up that night and he
01:10:28
jumped into bed with us and our other friend and it was just in the morning like oh what the hell is going on what
01:10:32
hell of a night no one knew what what had happened but that was the beginning of A Beautiful Romance was how long did
01:10:37
you keep it secret from your mate for ah she went overseas quite soon after that so she had to leave the
01:10:44
country yeah she went to India for six months I don't remember the time one but
01:10:48
yeah I don't think he I don't think he found out right I mean he knows now yeah
01:10:52
now he knows he knows what a bell so who's the dead of these four kids stepen you got you got the you
01:11:01
got the exclusive D yeah so what does what does the future hold like where do use I mean it's it's really hard to plan
01:11:07
with the podcast thing isn't it like it's your your growth is s never in a
01:11:12
linear sort of fashion but like a year from now two years from now 5 years from now where do you where do you wish
01:11:16
things would be uh it's a question I think about a lot and it's so hard to
01:11:22
know what's around the the corner because it seems like the picture changes every couple of months like
01:11:27
things were really gaining steam um good sponsors on board PlayStation and Expo and things look like you know they were
01:11:34
really taken off and then it's kind of like the recession and then advertisers
01:11:37
are pulling back and you're not sure when you know the tanks are going to be
01:11:41
full again so it's hard our thing right now is we've got this big audience we've
01:11:46
got we have I don't know 150,000 downloads a month like an enormous amount of people people paying attention
01:11:54
to us so we're trying to figure out what to do with that and there is the traditional advertising and sponsorship
01:11:59
which is working really well but we've got a few business ideas we're not quite
01:12:02
ready to announce them yet but we sort of want to push people in a direction which is going to be mutually beneficial
01:12:08
to us and the audience so we think by creating a couple of different income streams along with the podcast that
01:12:15
might help us just become a business because at the moment we are a business you know we we've got an accountant and
01:12:20
a marketer and a video producer and it's scared to think of how far this thing
01:12:26
has come in 4 years and it's only rarely the last 18 months where it's like okay
01:12:31
this this could be long-term career like this could be a real this could be the next 20 years if we play it right yeah I
01:12:39
think like the recording an EP or recording something is the highlight of my week I think as long as that is a
01:12:47
constant in my week I will be happy um it's great like we started this ambassadors thing which is really
01:12:54
interesting cuzz for a long time it was we were just kind of facilitators to have a guest come in but as we've
01:13:01
progressed people become more and more interested in us as people and and what we have to say which is a weird platform
01:13:08
as well to have so yeah like looking at different ways to kind of keep that going so that you get to do the fun
01:13:14
things and you get to do the parts that you really enjoy um is is really important and uh how do you scale it and
01:13:21
how do you make it work again that's why it's important that all podcasters kind
01:13:24
of succeed at the same time so that the market that doesn't maybe understand the
01:13:28
power of a podcast goes oh wow okay this is a real thing this is a real thing that we can invest in and that we can
01:13:35
get Returns on so that we can all do it full-time and quit all of our jobs that's a long way of saying we don't
01:13:40
know I don't know yeah that was one of my Waffle cop that was the WAFF get yeah
01:13:45
well I found from like a personal perspective it's um taken me in in glorious directions that I could never
01:13:50
have imagined like uh since having mamoto on the podcast like men who have done some the Q&A sort of like public
01:13:56
speaking engagements together where I'm sort of it's basically like a live
01:14:00
podcast you bet I'm just helping her shape and share her story and I could never have imagined that happening yeah
01:14:04
but it's wonderful yeah and the the excitement's wonderful but there is also
01:14:08
the element of te it's like okay where is this going when is it going to start
01:14:12
to pay the bills yeah um but yes Steve you more than anyone with your understanding wife it must be like okay
01:14:19
all right mate yeah there's there's opportunity to take some pretty big risks but we're
01:14:25
we've just bought a new house and with four kids in a new house like I I'm
01:14:29
fairly risk averse at this point so I don't know we'll just keep going as we
01:14:33
are and and see what opportunities pop up I guess yeah and we're recording this
01:14:37
in Oakland you guys travel from Hamilton to do these do these things most of them
01:14:41
in in Oakland Studio yeah yeah pretty much all of them now yeah um the video aspect has become really important to us
01:14:48
so we did some in a Hamilton Studio but there was no cameras and setup um we've
01:14:52
found that you know by clipping out uh the best bits and and you do the same thing just the reach the organic reach
01:14:59
especially on Tik Tok goes crazy some viral Clips will have over a million views and it's just the way that that
01:15:05
sort of grows and it's like the growth model is so good with what we do with long form
01:15:11
interviews with a diverse range of people because if you do it well it will sprinkle through their community and
01:15:18
people will listen to it and then [ __ ] that was brilliant and they'll look
01:15:20
through your catalog and think oh so and so is interesting but we've done 140
01:15:24
guests surely they will find someone else there that they would like to hear an interview of you na the second one
01:15:29
hopefully you've got a listener for life so I we really are enjoying at the moment just trying to think of new
01:15:35
diverse areas I I've seen you doing the same thing uncle tick you know that sort
01:15:39
of social media um you know that his huge Tik Tok following Instagram following it's yeah I don't know it's
01:15:47
it's a journey yeah it's frustrating cuz I I know the way I consume podcasts
01:15:51
personally like I'll scroll I'll say Dex sheeper I'm cheer expert I'll scroll
01:15:55
through find a name that I'm interested in and then listen um and now I I see
01:15:59
people doing the same thing with me and probably yours and you're like no no no
01:16:02
they're all good they're all good they're hidden gems people you don't
01:16:06
know of they're good give it a go yeah um but it's exciting and it's exciting
01:16:10
to be on this path with you guys they stop trying to make Hamilton a thing we never we will never stop I'm even
01:16:16
wearing the Hat you weing the head the I I I when I when I left palson North in the radio station in there to start
01:16:23
working at the edge it was still based in Hamilton so I lived in Hamilton for last 6 months it was the bleakest most
01:16:29
awful winter of my life how long ago was it though oh it's like 20 years yeah
01:16:34
there we go see fell into my trap you walked in like a big Dopey beer straight straight into it straight into it oh I
01:16:41
no but it was like we'd leave work after doing the breakfast radio show at like
01:16:44
11:00 a.m. it would still be like a deep fog in the city yeah people like balloons over white and I was like I
01:16:50
can't see them it's foggy lot changed in 20 years what there's just nothing happening in the
01:16:56
city there's no balloons anymore balloons over is the highlight of the holay calendar every
01:17:02
morning um couple of quick ones before we go um this is one of those questions you
01:17:09
ask we you already know the answer um what's your biggest [ __ ] up in terms of
01:17:13
uh uh if you need a a q name David Nik yeah yeah is this the only Monumental Co oh Danny Morrison too we lost two
01:17:22
episodes so we used to record in this Hamilton Studio we still sometimes do um and I
01:17:27
got trained by the ACC staff of how to work the system it's like this nextg system it's kind of old technology I had
01:17:35
it I understood you know the microphones are on red light on each press record all good what I hadn't been told was
01:17:42
that you need to move the mouse every 30 minutes otherwise the program is going to lock
01:17:49
out it's going to automatically log you out so we do 2 hours was with David and
01:17:54
he's never done like a long form interview like before talking about Tyson Fury and his vulnerabilities and
01:17:59
just just like a hell of an episode he messages us the next day first thing next morning hey hey boys that podcast
01:18:07
was amazing like thank you so much like I enjoyed it so much I can't wait for
01:18:10
you to release it so bad listen on think back as [ __ ] and then I go to check the audio uh well we checked it that
01:18:18
night yeah that's right we checked it that night I knew that night that night
01:18:20
was a disaster that night and real that we didn't catch a single second it logged us out so we lost the whole thing
01:18:27
we didn't even get the start we got nothing not only that but we also got locked out of the studio too so we like
01:18:33
said goodbye and I could see the terror like Steven's like logging out I could
01:18:37
see the terror in his eyes and I thought [ __ ] something's wrong here we say
01:18:41
goodbye to David and then we go back to go and he's like you've got the the
01:18:45
dongle to get us back in E and I was like no I do not that's right so we're
01:18:49
like fumbling around in this office like looking in people's draws trying to find
01:18:54
a way to get back into the studio the whole while thinking [ __ ] I don't think
01:18:58
I don't I don't think we got that episode and then like next morning ah it'll be fine it'll be saved in the
01:19:04
system there'll be a way way to retrieve I thought the tech Geeks would be able
01:19:07
to save it so like urgent call someone could say that yeah like yeah there should be a way and there wasn't a way
01:19:12
so yeah David messaged me and I had to reply I'm so sorry I felt sick how long
01:19:17
did I feel s like 4 days of just feeling like absolute [ __ ] like he was one of
01:19:22
our biggest gu at the time too like it was such and he's not been back in the
01:19:25
country since and the other one was Danny Morrison so yeah that was that was I reckon Morrison was almost worse Danny
01:19:32
Morrison I don't know if you know his story well but you're former New Zealand
01:19:36
Cricket are in the like the the 90s yeah famous for getting Ducks he's the worst
01:19:41
batsman ever yeah so yes so terrible way fabulous Cricket an incredibly Rich Cricket story and people know that quite
01:19:51
well but we touched on areas which perhaps people don't know which was the suicide of his sister losing everything
01:19:57
in the global financial crisis and it was like again a super vulnerable episode verge of tears there might have
01:20:03
been some tears but it was over video call and he was in Abu Dhabi and the streamyard which I referenced before is
01:20:10
like banned in the United Arab Emirates so you can't use it so we had to use
01:20:14
zoom so streamyard would like record it and then even if the line was wonky there's some widgets in the background
01:20:20
that smoothed it all out so like we' had dodgy connections before and that all
01:20:25
worked out fine but the when we used this Zoom it was it was same thing two hours maybe two two and a bit hours yeah
01:20:33
listen back and there was like 45 minutes of just completely unsalvageable audio and it was right at those moments
01:20:40
where he was talking about the loss of his sister and he was like bearing his soul yeah we tried hard to piece it
01:20:46
together but we just could like it was all based around this this rebuilding after this horrific Middle and we like
01:20:52
[ __ ] yeah so and then yeah and then same thing being like really sorry it hasn't worked oh man
01:20:58
buger well we'll try and make it work some other time like seene like just fair oh my that's
01:21:07
just embarrassing you feel so amateur and David Nik amazing I was I've just been in Sydney the previous weekend
01:21:14
running the the marathon I didn't see him at all but I saw on Instagram today
01:21:18
he ran the half marathon did like an hour 22 Yeah sub four minute case he's he's carrying around a lot of muscle as
01:21:24
well he's not a he's not a light dude fear plon as well he's a proper
01:21:28
Ambassador so we put we retold that story in a speaking gig that we had and then tagged it up for social tagged him
01:21:34
in and said what do you reckon uh round two and he came back and said yep boys I'm back in Hamilton in December let's
01:21:40
make it happen so yeah Redemption there's a Redemption there at some in some way shape or form hopefully and do
01:21:47
you do you guys get many people coming to you asking to come on or we do now yeah yeah yeah we're reached a Tipping
01:21:53
Point where the audience is big enough that it's in people's interest and we
01:21:56
get a lot of public publicists come to us when someone's got a new book out or
01:22:01
an album or whatever it is they want some publicity um they come to us which is really cool because the hardest part
01:22:06
of the journey in those early and mid-stages is finding regular guests and and people wanting to come on your show
01:22:13
so we're really fortunate to be in a position where people want to come on our show and we're as far forward
01:22:20
planned as we've ever been I think we've got five six episodes in the can and for
01:22:25
most of our journey we have been working on a week toe basis I remember talking to you in the early days and you had
01:22:31
about like two months worth backed up and we like oh [ __ ] I don't know who
01:22:34
we've got this week like I I I left that conversation with you guys with anxiety on your behalf
01:22:40
like how do they do it like one person lets you down and you're [ __ ] for the
01:22:44
next week stressful a lot of stressful weeks that um that it is and to pick up on a
01:22:50
point you made earlier on about the radio promo celebrity kind of a cycle and people coming in and doing like a 10
01:22:57
minute stint or five minute stint in 10 different places now that we're on that
01:23:01
kind of distribution list it's a really cool point of difference to be included
01:23:06
in those CU it is something different for the person that's coming in to be yeah we'll talk about whatever you're
01:23:12
promoting now but we've actually got a whole breadth of other stuff that we want to talk about so I'd like to think
01:23:17
for the from their perspective it's a break from the monotony of maybe some of
01:23:21
the other promo stuff that they're doing at the time yeah I I really like that
01:23:25
turn I'm I'm humbled when when that happens because you think okay we've got
01:23:30
half a day of promo with this person so to do a 90-minute podcast it's a big
01:23:34
chunk of that time 100% uh when generally they go for Mass like scatter gun and do as many places as what they
01:23:40
can and what what about your dream list who's who would you be like three dream
01:23:44
new zealanders be oh good um you go first so buying time again well he asked he asked me on ambassador's episode as
01:23:51
well heard this you said Joe Rogan like anyone in the world alive or dead Jo I got cancelled on social media
01:23:59
straight away did did you why just from actually you were the only one you were the only one who end who endorsed
01:24:05
what I said I think CU Brody Kane jumped on me big time was like I think Rogan gets a Rogan gets a bad rip like if you
01:24:10
listen to enough Rogan it's like um he's he's kind he's hardworking he's
01:24:15
disciplined he's anti-drug he's a good family man yeah you never hear any
01:24:19
Scandal about him and it's he doesn't like the vaccine I you know I don't know
01:24:25
have I missed something else is there something well I yeah I don't know I don't want to get
01:24:30
canc but still you know while we're [ __ ] on you shay out of all the people in the world you could choose
01:24:35
from Rogan yeah yeah I panicked I panicked so stepen Adams if he wanted to do it I
01:24:45
feel like he would never want to do a long form podcast but if he was up for it and wanted to come in with good
01:24:51
energy he would have the most amazing Stories and he's such a like a hard case
01:24:54
funny kiwi and no one we've had a few episodes that people was sort of plucked
01:25:01
from obscurity Mark Alice's one he had been off the grid for about 10 years huge episode our biggest one we've ever
01:25:07
had because people hadn't heard from him for so long same with Paul Henry before
01:25:11
he sort of made his media rebirth he hadn't done interviews in years and years and we had him on same with Chris
01:25:16
kin so when you have these big guests that no one has heard of for so long it's just magic Steven Adams would have
01:25:23
that effect um Scott Robertson I know that we've both been trying to I know we've both compare trying to get him for
01:25:31
a while you know that story you had about how you text him and then he responded I've had the same text and it
01:25:37
was like the same sign off with Razer and it's like hey mate I only do one podcast a year try again next year and I
01:25:43
did the same thing I texted him on the first of the first of January I I was I was a bit cooler I think I waited till
01:25:49
like the fourth but I was thinking about it on the first I was reminding him on the 31st do not
01:25:55
forget to stroke of midnight it' be brilliant at the time of recording this the the guest on my podcast this week is
01:26:02
um Dr boo Keefe who was uh he's an i surgeon he was the the referee of the Crusaders Chiefs Super Rugby final um
01:26:10
and we went through some of the mean messages he got and one of them was like um and we turned this into a clip it's
01:26:15
like oh you probably won't see this this this message because you got razor [ __ ]
01:26:19
in your mouth so I'm thinking do I send this clip to razor as well like maybe well I just leave him alone and
01:26:25
take the [ __ ] hunt yeah I feel like he's G I think anyone anyone's getting
01:26:28
him for a while but um Steven Adams would be Phenom like what do what does he earn like 30 million a year or
01:26:33
something it's crazy money and just the backstory like one of how many kids yes
01:26:38
like 11 kids or something I had 12 in my head but that might be his jersey number
01:26:42
and and when you see clips of um yeah his teammates arriving uh arriving to a game and they're you know dressed up in
01:26:48
you know like highend designer gear and he's got like a bush shirt on and like
01:26:52
he just seems like a remarkable remarkable Jermaine Clement I would really like to have on the Pod because
01:26:58
he doesn't do interviews like I've not seen or heard him do anything long form
01:27:03
I think it'd be fascinating to kind of unpick his brain don't guys that hate
01:27:07
interviews yeah we're going to break them we're going to make it so good they're going
01:27:12
to like doing it psycholog psychologist whatever what what is it you want to make them love you yes 100% yeah totally
01:27:20
that's the object of every podcast is to have them come away thinking yeah these guys are pretty cool all right
01:27:25
good to know that's good Intel I'll go for Brit Mackenzie then I'll go for the
01:27:28
other one and what about International oh here we go again um this is this is your Shane this is your
01:27:35
chance of redemption I I still I still stand by Graham Norton okay I still stand by Graham Norton I
01:27:42
think I would I would be fascinated by what hasn't made the show um or the links that he goes to or his method to
01:27:50
to do what he does I think actually Secret he's been like a really big influence in terms of like watching and
01:27:55
asking questions and and um honing your craft he's been yeah that would be really fascinating for me yeah I think I
01:28:02
said Tiger Tiger Woods I think would be yeah yeah it'd be it oh how good would
01:28:09
that what a life oh I wish yeah I CU I see you guys do some interviews and I'm
01:28:16
like I know what these guys are doing here they're playing a long game like when you have someone from Oakland City
01:28:23
whatling their way us have you had Steve Williams on yet Tiger's old Cy no would
01:28:30
love to get him can't get a I need to get a contact are you trying to get him
01:28:33
too we no no I haven't tried just when you mentioned Tiger Woods but actually I
01:28:36
don't think that'd be a good gateway to Tiger um yeah Tiger's remarkable like
01:28:42
when he had all this chaos going on he was playing some of the best golf of his life yeah yeah if you could get him to
01:28:47
if you could get him to tell his story and open up on the whole journey yeah forget about it yeah oh that's brilliant
01:28:54
hey it's been wonderful to sit down with you guys today uh it's really cool I
01:28:58
love I love what you're doing and um I feel like you guys are sitting The Benchmark for podcast in New Zealand
01:29:03
cheers Dom it's been a really cool experience being on the other side um so yeah we had Dom on our podcast what you
01:29:10
say about a year ago yearo and I spoke at the start about what a fan I was because I used to deliver the paper in
01:29:16
the morning and I'd listen to you on the edge as I'm doing it so a bit of a
01:29:19
surreal moment come in Full Circle and you interviewing us me and Shay were talking about it on the way in like
01:29:25
again we have so many pinch ourself moments across this ride we like who okay that just happened they're starting
01:29:32
to become a little bit more normal but we still you just really appreciate it so yeah thanks for us on your space
01:29:37
that's what yeah one more thing sorry I was wrapping up but yeah how are you
01:29:41
guys um like coping with the level of Fame it must be like a nice level of Fame you know what I mean it's not it's
01:29:46
not like [ __ ] Lord or something but be a good guest must must be nice that you're at the age and Stage that you
01:29:52
guys both at in life to you know have this sort of recognition or yeah fame's
01:29:57
weird in New Zealand it's like no one's really famous but it's it's weird cool
01:30:04
being recognized by people because of what you do right because we are when people come up to us in a cafe or
01:30:10
something and they say oh you guys between two beers I love what you do that means they love the conversations
01:30:16
we're facilitating and they're fans and I've listened to like I I just really
01:30:21
value people's time and to give us 90 minutes to listen to us over and over and over again some people listen to it
01:30:27
every episode it just blows my mind and I'm just really yeah appreciative of it
01:30:32
so i' certainly wouldn't call us famous but um it's it's cool it's it's a cool
01:30:38
experience what's yours yeah it's uh yeah same thing it's I find it really I
01:30:43
got a weird thing with it like I love it and I'm humbled by it but I'm also
01:30:48
sometimes I kind of just want to not have it well it doesn't know they you wereing a
01:30:53
ambassad a hat and I know it's it's a it's a weird I think the weirdest one that we had I'll
01:31:01
just share this anecdote we were we were watching we were at a FIFA Women's World
01:31:04
Cup game and we were watching and I thought we were talking quite quietly to one another about some kind of
01:31:09
questionable subject matter at times as we do having known each other so familiarly and then the lady in front
01:31:15
like pulled her phone out and then went to Spotify and then scrolled to the podcast and then like pointed at our
01:31:22
photo to the person next to her and I was like hey that's us like over her shoulder and she was [ __ ]
01:31:30
mortified that I was like hey it's like really nice like nice to meet you I'm
01:31:34
Sheamus he's like yeah I thought it was your voice but I wasn't sure who it was
01:31:37
it was yeah like that is that that sort of stuff is cool I think it's really
01:31:41
cool I mean say you say you're Simon Del and someone comes up to you for a photo
01:31:45
it's because they they don't know Simon Del they like the way they recognize his
01:31:49
face or they like the way he reads the news same like Michael galin who's Chris
01:31:52
Warner it's like you know but if someone comes up to you or they I mean it's it's
01:31:57
cuz you made a connection with them I guess yeah that's a really that's a
01:32:00
really good way of looking at it that's a much better way much better lens to
01:32:03
look at it I'll I'll use that now moving forward cuz you may thank you very much
01:32:07
well you may as long as you you give are you going to do the r up can you do the
01:32:10
r up you do this on your podcast all the time we're throwing on the spot here
01:32:14
that's okay I can try and just I don't feel like it's my place to do it but
01:32:17
I'll I'll I'm sorry I'm being lazy yeah I'll try and I'll try no I wait I no no
01:32:22
it's been really cool it has been really cool thank you very much for making this
01:32:25
happen for us it um it's it's probably our highest profile appearance on
01:32:31
somebody else's podcast um and a cool experience and thank you to my friend over here who I love very dearly for um
01:32:39
his friendship and his care for me it's um really really special to to have that
01:32:45
friendship in your life and have someone that cares that much um that they are willing to have those challenging
01:32:49
conversations and um yeah bring them back up again it's cool it's cool not
01:32:53
that not that Steve needs it cuz he seems very very organized and disciplined with his life and his time
01:32:58
management but yeah would you be that person F I'd like to think I would be but
01:33:03
he seems to really have it together he's like despite the despite the chaos um
01:33:11
yeah he does but I do yeah I'd like to think if there was a moment or a time
01:33:14
where that was needed or that he needed that sensitive a or that Sage advice that I'd be there and be able to kind of
01:33:21
provide something or at least listen how good is the question by the way how are
01:33:25
you with um vulnerability in showing your emotions Steve and crying [ __ ] [ __ ]
01:33:32
jackpot Marcus Marcus will be sitting there just rubbing his hands going I've
01:33:36
got it I've got the goal well played oh it's got um yeah I've had fertility
01:33:41
struggles so I've been unable to have cats so I'm very invers of the family
01:33:45
Dynamic you've got but I I I've sort of found like through my mental health
01:33:48
struggles over the years it's made me more compassionate and vulnerable um so
01:33:51
I yeah I cry pretty easily these days as well and I think it's a marvelous thing
01:33:55
I think it's wonderful yeah I could probably count on count on on you know one hand the amount of times I cried
01:34:00
through my 20s and 30s now I'll just cry thinking about something that I'm
01:34:04
grateful for I see save mind for podcasts what's that I just exclusively cry on podcast now that's my thing this
01:34:13
why Bonnie must be like never cries at home who is this guy anyway I love you guys I'm an awe of what you're doing and
01:34:21
it's wonderful be in the same space as you and I um genuinely value um our friendship I really do thank you so much
01:34:27
for coming on the Dom Harvey podcast Steve and shanus between two be cheers thank
01:34:41
you