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Steven Su, welcome to my podcast. Uh, thank you for having me, man. I'm excited. I'm ready. I'm Oh, man. I'm a
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little bit nervous. I don't know what to expect, man. It's good to see the
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[clears throat] myth, the legend. >> Oh, sharks. Well, you you you were messaging me. You sent me some voice
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notes. Why Why did you want to come on the podcast? >> Well, because honestly, I feel like
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you're a very in uh influential figure. I I honest I honestly believe that you
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are the final boss in podcast. You know when you play a video game you always go
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through your level ones, level twos. I think you're the final boss. Like if you
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play the game of Street Fighter in Bison is at the end. I feel like you're the
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bison. So you know we don't know where I go from here then. I don't know who's
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bigger than you in the New Zealand space but I think it'll be great. I've been
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quite infused. So you know this is awesome. Well I'm I'm not a gamer but
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that feels like a massive compliment. So I'm here to I'm here to take that. Thank
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you so much. And I'm just I've only been going 3 years, so I'm just getting
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started. >> But it's crazy. You say you've been going for 3 years, mate. But I've seen
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the names that you've talked to and I've seen the people that's come on here. I'm
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just like, mate, it's crazy cuz usually podcast would start with, you know, guests that not really people know of
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and but you, you're jumping into the, you know, the ex- prime minister and, you know, actors that, you know, I'm
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just like, mate, how do you even get them on, buddy? You know, if you've only
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been here for 3 years. But >> hey, I guess that's the pull and the reach that you have and that's amazing,
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mate. >> Yeah, thank you. Well, one thing I'm um trying to do with this podcast is um
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>> just basically get a better understanding of um of of how people operate. Um so, and with that in mind, I
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just want to speak to as many as many people as what I as what I want to. So, you reached out to me about coming on.
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Um I looked you up. I'd heard of you before and I've heard a podcast you've
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been on, but I didn't know much about you. Um I looked you up. You're very
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polarizing. Yeah. very controversial, but um I'm not going to shy away from that because I figure it's better to
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>> try and you know there's this thing with society now. People be like, "You
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shouldn't give this guy a platform." But >> I'd rather try and understand like why
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you think the way you do. >> 100%. And that's what I love about platforms like yours is that you give
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people a a place to speak, you know, irregardless whether you agree with their rhetoric, but you still give them
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an option to speak. And I think it's amazing that um you give that opportunity to people because there are
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companies that are saying, "Well, we're going to be the arbiter of free speech.
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Who put you as the judge duty that's going to got going to say this is good and this is bad?" So, it's great that
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you've actually put me here. It's very hard for me to try to get onto podcast
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cuz a lot of times, you know, people are sponsored by a certain, you know, demographic and that demographic does
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not like the stuff that I speak about. So, it's I I'm just, you know, thankful
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that you let me be on here. >> Yeah. So, who is Steven ST? >> Um, a Sourorn boy from West Oakland. Um,
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a lot of times people could say I'm a loudmouth online, but I like to see myself as a bastion of light and a
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beacon of truth. Um, I'm a person that, you know, just happened one day to say,
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"Hey, I feel like I have opinions that I want to share with the world." And I
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went on uh TikTok and all of a sudden I started complaining about third world first world problems. and um and I was
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complaining about stubbing your toe in the morning on the bed, but it went from there to now complaining about world
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politics and everything like that. So um it's been a hard ride for me, but it's
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been a rewarding ride for me. I feel like I've taken it the toughest online than anybody else. And I feel like
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that's the reason why numbers come. You know, a lot of times people when they
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first hear me as I'm the guest on the show, they're like, "Stephen Situ, I
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know of him, but I don't know of him." And then when they see the numbers,
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they're like, why do people watch this guy? And there's something about this
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guy that we want that they want to know. So yeah, it's um that's a bit about me,
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man. What why why have you had the toughest time online? The toughest time online, I think it's because
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[sighs and gasps] your freedom freedom of speech I I'm just going to say I feel like it just
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doesn't exist. It it it's correlated to your um insignificance of how you are
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online. I feel like if you have a platform and a thousand of people listen to you, I I feel like freedom of speech
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is now hindered. But you know, the homeless person on the street or the person that has no platform can speak to
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his to the top of his lungs and say the most heinous things or say things that are deemed controversial and nobody
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would care. >> I've had multiple accounts banned. I've had bank accounts frozen. I've had so
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many things that people have stopped me. I've had the police come to my house for
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welfare checks to see if everything is okay cuz my name is getting super slandered online. But I understand that.
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>> Oh, welfare checks. Like they thought you might self harm. >> Yeah, self harm. Yeah, that's correct.
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And it was not me that called the police. It was my followers that called the police. Random strangers that called
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the police saying, "I've never seen someone get dragged online so much as
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this." So, you know, by the grace of God, I'm here. But also as well, I feel
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like I thrive on hate and I thrive on um you know on opposition. I would say that
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the haters built the empire that I have as Steven Settle. Every single hate they
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threw at me was a brick that built the empire. So I've I've realized that that
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that's what's made me who I am today. As cliche as it may sound. >> Were you at risk of harming yourself?
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>> Never. I I the reason why I'm never at risk of harming myself because I have a
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very good uh reflection of who I am. I'm a man from a lineage of warriors. I am a
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setu and that's who I am. And I feel like knowing who you are in the midst of
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struggle is what pushes you through life. Um, and that's what sort of got into that whole kufflele with me and
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Mark Khan cuz he came on your show the other day and he was talking about mental health and everything like that.
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And I was telling people to get out of your feelings. >> And when I say that, I a lot of people
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take it a little bit weird when I say just get the [ __ ] out of your feelings, you know, man up. And they say, well,
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you don't care about our feelings. Well, the reality is, Dom, nobody does. You probably could [laughter]
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you probably could find you probably could find somebody that will care about your feelings for 15 minutes. You
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probably could sit with your wife and talk for an hour. But for the 23 hours of your life, it it all comes down to
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you whether you're going to be able to withstand life. And I give the final advice and I like to make the example
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such. So let's say a friend gets his heart broken. He goes to his friend and
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he's like, "Ah, she broke up with me, brother. I don't know what to do." The
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friend then replies and says, "You're amazing. You're awesome. Everything's
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going to be fine." If that friend kept calling him every single day, kept going
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to his house every single day. The the friend's going to finally just go to the
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final vice and say, "Bro, get the [ __ ] out of your feelings, mate. >> Get over it." So, for me, I've always
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been that person that just jumps straight to level 10 because life is level 10. Who told you that life for a man was
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supposed to be happy and roses and dandelions and candy canes? Tell me any point of history where there's ever been
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an amazing moment for men. It wasn't amazing for men on the Titanic. It wasn't amazing for [laughter] It wasn't
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amazing for men in the Napoleon wars. It wasn't amazing for men when they're
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dying in the trenches. It wasn't amazing for men in the medieval ages. It's never
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been amazing for men. I truly believe that happiness should be for women and for children. And men get their
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happiness cuz they live vicariously through their woman and their children. And people don't like to hear this, but
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this made sense. Literally, >> you're sexist. That's anti- man. [laughter]
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Well, no, no. The thing is is this. I'm not trying to say that women are not
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Look, I believe that every gender is amazing. I believe there are certain things women can do that are that
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exceeds way better than men. There are certain things that men can do that exceeds way better than women. I'm not
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saying they're better than each other, but I wouldn't drop my my daughter at a
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all day care center full of straight male men. You could call that sexist perhaps, but I would feel more
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comfortable dropping them off at a all daycare center full of women. >> Why?
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>> Because I just feel like women have a nurturing nurturing attitude. And I feel
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like when you're sick, and I'm sick, we would love to have our woman in the bed
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putting our putting ice pack on our head. I'm sure you wouldn't want your
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best friend who's a man lying next to you saying, "Dom, are you all right, my
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darling?" You know what I mean? There's a nurturing element that you get from
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women. And I think this is what I'm trying to say about um free um opinions is that people find all of this
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controversial. But I'm not trying to say women are weak and men are strong. Now,
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I'm saying if I needed bodyguards, yes, there are women bodyguards, but science
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have shown that men are more physically stronger. They have more testosterone. So, I'll just choose men. So, it's not
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about who's better or who's not. There are certain genders that operate in a
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better realm than other genders. Would you agree? >> Yeah. Yeah. I would you you must have
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heard the saying that um like opinions opinions are like [ __ ] Everyone everyone's got one. And it I do agree
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with that. >> And something you said before, the thing about um your daycare daycare teachers,
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you you know, you wouldn't want to drop your daughter off at a um a daycare full
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of dudes. >> Yeah. I think any any guy that's in that job like the um you know the numbers are
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so low right of male primary school teachers, male preschool teachers. Most guys are like I just don't need the
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don't need the drama, don't need the stress, >> don't need, you know, people accusing me
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of having untowards motives. I think anyone any guy that goes into that profession is it's commendable because
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they're going against a lot of adversity. >> And and I'm not saying they aren't. I'm
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not saying they aren't. And that's what I really want to get out to the populace
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is I'm not saying they aren't. What I'm just saying is personally I would feel
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comfortable with my children at an or daycare center full of women. That's just me and many other men would believe
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that. Of course there might be amazing teachers. I'm not saying they aren't.
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But my preference is I just believe women are more nurturing, more caring. They you know they women have the
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supernatural power where they can read your mind like they know what's up. like
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if something is off, they can hear and you know this Dom they could look you could walk in the door and not even say
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a word and like what's the what's wrong? What happened at work? What happened?
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And this is I would want my children to be around that realm. >> I wouldn't want them to go in there and
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and and and steal that sort of beauty and that genuine from women by putting them in an old daycare center full of
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men because I believe I'm an amazing man and my kids will always get amazing
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feedback from me. So, I would I would like to get there another realm of, you know, femininity.
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>> Yeah. Have you got kids? >> No, I don't have kids. >> Okay. All right. It looks like I have
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kids, man. >> I'm losing weight, though, buddy. >> Are you Are you in a relationship?
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>> Yes, I am in a relationship. I'm in a relationship with a beautiful Mai Wahin
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woman who lives in Australia at the moment. Um, you know, obviously with two different lifestyles. I'm a social media
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content creator. So, you know, obviously I'm all all everywhere and you know, she
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owns a salon and does, you know, hair. But, um, yeah, I we stick to traditional principles. I'm the man. I'm the head. I
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make the decision. She's the next. She guides me. Um, behind every great man
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has always been a stronger woman and a greater woman. If you look at Genghask Khn, if you look at Napoleon, Julius
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Caesar, Alexander the Great, they always had one amazing woman that was always with them at all times. So obviously
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back then they had mistresses, but there was only one woman that could walk into
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the room of that king and sit down with them because I believe that their healing power, they that man needs it to
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conquer the world. So yeah, I feel like it's great. I believe feminine energy
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and masculine energy creates a beautiful beautiful harmony symphony. It's amazing. M there's there there's a lot
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to talk about including um you took some footage in here before and I noticed your um your phone case is a picture of
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Andrew Tate. >> We'll get into that later cuz that's that's slightly problematic.
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>> Okay. [laughter] >> Well, to me that says um >> that's crazy that you even saw that.
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>> Yeah, I saw that. But that that to me says like this this is someone that I
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like a lot. This is Yeah. Um but first of all I want to know um yeah who who is Steven Ced in terms of your early years.
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So you're born in America sour. >> Yes. So I was born in America sour. I
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was raised in New Zealand. Uh West Oakland, New Zealand. Uh six years. >> When when did when did you move here?
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>> Uh 2 years old. But I came under my mother's citizenship at that time. Okay.
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>> Um >> and basically I was raised in West Oakland. Um uh six kids, solo mother. My
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father left when I was five. He came back at 23. So my older sister got married at 23 and he came back. sister
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gave him an ultimatum saying if you're not coming back then you're out of my
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life and then he came back and ever since then I forgiven my father were better but I always knew I was meant for
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the bright lights I always meant my voice is going to be a lot of people are going to hear my voice um that's who I
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am and I'm just a person that likes to speak my mind like to be a bastion of
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truth and a beacon of light and um a lot of I get a lot of stick because I do everything the opposite of what everyone
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does Like in the Polynesian social media space, everybody does comedy skits. Gang
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comedy skits. Terrell comedy skits. All these names. If somebody said, "Who's
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that sour guy that does comedy skits?" It would be hard to pinpoint which one
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because everybody does it. But if they said, "Who's that big fellow that runs
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his mouth online and calls people how it is? That Polynesian guy, people can already immediately say Steven Settle."
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So there's a I I don't think what I'm doing is that controversial. I just feel
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like there's nobody in competition. So I'm in my lane dominating and everybody's in their lane competing. And
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I think I do everything against what a Polynesian is. Cuz people like to say Polynisians are humble and, you know,
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loving and caring. They don't swear online. They don't say all of these sort
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of things. But I'll be like, well, that's when the camera's not on them.
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Cuz if you knew what Polynesians were, they're just normal people like everybody else.
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>> And I feel like that's the only reason why I've stood out like a swollen thumb,
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that's all. >> So um your dad? >> Yes. >> So what are your what are your
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recollections of that time? Like so do you have a good relationship with him in the first 5 years?
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>> Well, the thing there was not very much vivid memories cuz he left when I was
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five. >> What are your memories of those first five years? I saw him as my superhero. I
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saw him as, you know, I wanted to be like him. You know, he was in the American army and it's like, whoa, he's
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a soldier. You know, everything I think as a son, you always aspire to be your dad. You want to be like your dad, but
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with age builds perspective. And then getting older, I realized that he was everything I didn't want to be. I
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believe in loyalty. What he did was absolutely putrid to my mother. >> What did he do?
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>> He got other women pregnant. >> Okay. and got a whole set of kids out
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there. Um, and I just don't know how any man would be able to leave a woman on
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the benefit with six kids by herself and then just [ __ ] off. And to me that is
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almost like manslaughter in a way because you know after a heartbreak of 25 years of 15 years of marriage, 25
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years of knowing each other just to leave abruptly like that is crazy. >> Where where were you in the birth order?
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I'm second to last youngest. >> Okay. >> So the So I'm 33 now. My baby sister
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would be like about 30 years old. >> And then the oldest would be like about
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45 46. >> Right. So So what are they? How many sisters? How many? >> Two. Two sisters. The oldest the
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matriarch out of all siblings is the sister and then the youngest is the sister. But it's sister brother
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and then me and then sister. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Um so you I'm guessing when Yeah. What
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do you remember about when your dad left? What were you told? What did you know what was going on?
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>> Well, my mom never really wanted to belittle my father ever because and and
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that's one thing I Yeah. And that's one thing I applaud about my mom is that she
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never wanted me to have a bad image of my father because I am my son's father.
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And she never wanted to tell me. My mom always believed speaking about positivity. So, she would always say,
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"Oh, he's gone. He's gone." Until I start to realize, "Well, how when is he
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coming back? You said he's coming back every single Christmas." Then my mom had
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to get a little bit real with me and tell me, well, you know, actually he's moved on. And I felt betrayed. I felt
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resentment. I was like, how dare he promised that he was going to come back. You know, he went to get the milk and
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then, you know, he ended up being with a cow. [laughter] Pardon the pun. Yeah. So, um, yeah, just been that's
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that's been me. But I grew up with my mom and my mom gave me a lot of feminine energy.
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And there was a point in time cuz remember there's three brothers including myself and there's two sisters
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including myself. My mom would literally split the line in the middle and say these are the boys and these are the
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girls and I was one of the girls cuz I was the second to last youngest. So I grew up around my sisters. I never
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really knew who my brother was. And I grew up in a way where I didn't have any
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masculinity. I didn't grow up I got bullied a lot. I didn't care about who I
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was. I didn't speak up a lot. I just felt like I was just a porn on a chessboard and that's all I was. And now
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we're gonna if we segue into Andrew Tate and all this whole new masculinity thing.
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>> What he says about women is absolutely disgusting. >> Let's get that straight.
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>> We agree. >> We agree on that. >> What he says about women is absolutely
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disgusting. But Piers Morgan, Joe Rogan, all the biggest names have all agreed this. If you can remove the misogyny
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away from Andrew Tate, everything he does is commendable. That's what they've
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actually said. He talks about mental health for men to be stoic. He teaches men how to overcome situations. He
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teaches men to go into the gym and work hard and focus on themselves. Ever since
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I met Andrew Tate, I was in such a deep hole that I've now become better. My
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social media have have popped off. I've been in the gym now. I've lost over 20
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kilos. So, a lot of people could say, "Well, he's a misogynist and he's done
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this and he's did this." I'm like, "Yeah, but I see the result." You don't.
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You just see what you've been told by mainstream media, by legacy media. And
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if you still believe that legacy media holds a holds a narrative where it's all
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fair game, mate, then you're living in the [ __ ] matrix, buddy. >> Yeah. But you you understand you
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understand the problem with that. Like it's it's like take a slice of the pie
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away, >> but it's still a part of that same pie. >> Yeah. But then at the end of the day,
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mate, it's like we are all colorful human beings. Nobody has one personality. I can guarantee you, Dom,
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if I would talk to all the people that you've met in your life, they would all
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give me a different perspective of Dom. They'll say, "Oh, Dom, he's that
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annoying bastard that blah blah blah. Oh, Dom, he's the kind-hearted. Oh, Dom,
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he's loving. Oh, Dom, he's a creep." >> But that still makes you Dom.
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>> And that's like it's it's a very hypocritical for me to say, "Well,
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Andrew say he's a misogynist. Okay, that's great. Cool. That's there. Now,
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let's look at the other side of the pie." You know, like Donald Trump. Well,
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let's get into Donald Trump. Oh my [laughter] god. Like like like like like [laughter]
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I told you I'm controversial, man. This [ __ ] is going to Oh my god. Look, Donald
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Trump. This guy, let's just say he's probably far from presidential, but he is the
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lesser of both evils. And if anything, you can say he's this and he's that, but
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mate, he's a multi-millionaire, billionaire. He's a businessman, and that's a fact.
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>> He knows how to run a country. Now, I don't know what's happening with these
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tariffs. That's that's another story. >> Do you see where I'm coming from?
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>> Well, it's one thing I do believe in is is democracy. So, we here in New
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Zealand, we can say what we like about Donald Trump, and there's no doubt doubt
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about it. like he's a problematic man and he's a bully and he's all sorts of
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things, but we don't live in America. We don't have the right to vote. Americans
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do. And they uh emphatically decided to elect him. And you can't argue with democracy.
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>> That's what I'm saying. It's because he even won the popular vote.
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>> He didn't just win the electoral vote. He won the popular vote and he won the
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Senate. It's it's because the media, what the media does is they try to tarnish your influence. I would say the
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reason why Donald Trump won is because the media tried to make us hate Donald Trump. And if you try to purport an
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image so much, we're going to just say, "Oh, [ __ ] off, bro. We've heard too
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much." They keep saying, "Oh, a rape accusation, a woman, you know, tribunal.
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This is that." It got to the point where we're like, "We got we know the
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narrative now. We know what you're trying to do. We're just going to vote
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for Donald Trump to piss you off." >> And also as well, I think a lot of times
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people can see through the [ __ ] And I think media control the narrative and then people think that the media is true
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not knowing that there's a whole another like online you'll think I'm the most
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hated person. Online you would think Steven is hated. He has no fans. Well, the numbers tell different. That's
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that's all I'm saying. The numbers tell different. I've never had a negative
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interaction out in public. People love me. They swarm me. They come around me when I'm out polyfest because my my
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demographic is mainly Pacific Islanders. Whenever they see me, man, they're all
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over me. I don't have a private life no more. But online, you would think I'm
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hated >> because the media tries to paint you as a hateable person. But no, I'm a lovely
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guy. Don't you think I'm a lovely dog? >> Yeah. So far, so far I So far I do.
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Well, there's and that's one thing I like about doing this um this this podcast and uh there's a a quote that I
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bring up um all the time actually from Michelle Obama and the quote is that um most people are hard not to like up
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close. >> Yeah. And um I've found that to be I've done it like 220 podcasts now. I'd say
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that's true. Like you meet someone in person, but it feels like we've got to a
00:21:59
point now with society where if you have a differing opinion to someone, it's
00:22:03
like, well, we can't agree on anything now. >> Correct. And people are getting so lost
00:22:08
in their feelings, feelings, feelings, feelings, feelings, feelings. And I know this is another
00:22:14
controversial segue we're going into. It was only 30 years ago when I said, "Yeah, she's a woman."
00:22:21
And that was a fact. You say somebody's a woman now, that's a hot take. >> But it's amazing how things have
00:22:29
changed. You see what I mean? It's I'm not I'm not even trying to say this to
00:22:32
be a dick. But let's just be real, bro. You know, 30 years ago when you would go
00:22:36
on a date, you're like, "Oh, I can't wait to see my woman." Now, if you go on
00:22:39
a date in 2025, you have to say, "I hope it is a woman." It's just things have
00:22:44
just switched. And I'm I'm not saying this anything to push against the LGBT
00:22:48
community. Now, I got friends in that community, but all I'm trying to say is
00:22:52
is that what is reality? What is the what what is common sense? But I'm just wondering why why you'd
00:23:01
even dip your toes in that in that water like the the the you I've heard you say
00:23:05
some um like homophobic, transphobic things. Like why would you like you're um you're a Christian guy. You're a man
00:23:13
of God. I've heard you say that. >> If it's not bothering you, it has no
00:23:18
direct impact on your life. Like, why do you care? >> Well, where do we draw the line?
00:23:23
>> Well, see, here's the thing. >> Sorry. This year, this year >> I'm um
00:23:28
>> Sorry, T. You guys have to see me. I'm trying to lose weight. Sorry.
00:23:31
>> I'm um I'm I'm 52. I'm I'm old as [ __ ] I'm set in my ways. I I don't understand
00:23:36
pronouns. I don't understand they them. It doesn't make sense to me. >> But you know what?
00:23:43
It it it has no impact on my life if someone else if it's important to them for me to address them by those pronouns
00:23:50
like it's no skin off my nose. >> So I don't have a problem with gay
00:23:53
people. I'm just generalizing the whole thing because if we pick at everything
00:23:57
we're going to be here for a long time. If I say water is the most healthiest
00:24:00
beverage I'm pretty sure I can find in India from India they will say yeah but
00:24:04
the water here is disgusting. It doesn't defeat the purpose that water is still
00:24:06
the most healthiest beverage. >> So I'm just I'm just generalizing the
00:24:10
whole matter. So, I don't want people to think that I'm homophobic or, you know,
00:24:13
misogynistic. It's just an opinion, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm just wondering why
00:24:18
this is the hell hell you die on. But I'm I'm like, it's generally like we're
00:24:22
not having an argument or anything. I'm just curious as to the the why you think
00:24:25
this way, but I'm I'm more interested in getting to know >> um the guy behind these opinions online.
00:24:32
>> So, um so your dad takes off at 5. >> Yeah. >> A [clears throat] confusing time for
00:24:37
you. And it sounds like your mom's [ __ ] amazing, by the Oh, thank you so much. Appreciate
00:24:40
>> woman. Is she still around? >> Yes, she is. She is. >> How old is she now?
00:24:43
>> She is uh 65 then. >> Yeah. Well, I can't imagine the strength
00:24:48
of character it took your mom to bite her tongue and not talk [ __ ] about your dad. That's um that's a powerful
00:24:54
matriarch of the family there. But um you may have been like just cocooned from this because you were too young to
00:25:01
remember or whatever, but um life must have been tough for her. >> Yeah, it was. But she never showed me it
00:25:08
was tough. And uh you know I would see her always stay strong. I never saw a weakness from her. And I think this sort
00:25:18
of like um bleeds out to how I am online in a way. You know I I can only teach you what I know. And what I know is to
00:25:27
always show up strong even if you feel weak. And so seeing my mom being that example, that's really motivated me in
00:25:36
life, knowing that despite how you feel, that shouldn't trigger how you operate
00:25:43
throughout the day. >> And um you know, I don't mean to be that person
00:25:49
that always goes back to our old topics, but that's why I'm saying with this
00:25:52
whole mental health situation, when when I say to people, no matter how you feel,
00:25:58
you can overcome. Who cares about how you feel? Keep pushing forward. Somehow I'm
00:26:04
>> somehow I'm hated for that. >> I don't know why they say they say, "Well, you know,
00:26:11
medication is this." And I'm like, "Yeah, you believe in medication. I
00:26:13
believe in the world will of a man. I believe in the will of a woman." [sighs and gasps]
00:26:17
What's your thoughts on that, Dom? What? Why do you think I get heat for that?
00:26:21
For telling people, saying that you don't need medication, you're powerful
00:26:25
beyond measure. You're the victim, not the victim. Why do you think people hate
00:26:29
me telling people that? >> I think probably because there's a mental health crisis in this country.
00:26:33
Like there's a lot of people that are really confused and uh a lot of people
00:26:37
are doing it really tough. >> I don't know. And I I I also think there's just people that [clears throat]
00:26:42
have a like a chemical imbalance in their brain um that potentially needs to be rectified with medication.
00:26:48
>> How do you think that chemical imbalance came into place? >> Because they weren't because they
00:26:53
weren't born with a chemical imbalance. But I find it funny that the chemical
00:26:57
imbalance came into place as soon as they went for a heartbreak. [laughter] >> That chemical imbalance came that
00:27:03
chemical imbalance came when they got locked in prison. >> So it's now situational.
00:27:08
>> So if they weren't in that situation, it would never would have happened.
00:27:12
>> That's what I truly believe. I believe that if you're in a bad place, move
00:27:16
because it's situational. >> Um you know, I had a friend that said, "I'm depressed." I said, "Why are you
00:27:21
depressed?" He goes, "Cuz I don't have a job." I said, "Well, then you're not
00:27:25
depressed. You're [ __ ] lazy cuz if you had a job, you wouldn't be depressed." Yeah,
00:27:28
>> that's um I suppose that's like circum circumstantial depression. And I don't
00:27:31
think that's real depression. Have you Have you seen someone that's like like
00:27:35
really properly depressed? [ __ ] Have you? Yeah. >> But I But I operate and I move and I
00:27:41
stand strong. >> When When was that? When were you when were you depressed?
00:27:44
>> I'm depressed every day. I'm depressed now. >> Are you Why are you depressed now?
00:27:48
Because I feel like, you know, I I feel like you shouldn't be trying to chase
00:27:52
this hedonistic behavior. You know, I'm not satisfied with the life I have now.
00:27:57
I always want more. You know, it's imperative for the it's a masculine imperative for to conquer. Why did Dick
00:28:02
Gingus can't go to Vienna when he already owned nearly half of the world? We just want to conquer. And I think for
00:28:08
me, I I always want more. I raised my bar so high that I'm never happy. >> But I've accomplished so much. But what
00:28:15
I'm trying to say is that everybody is sad, but you just got to keep pushing
00:28:19
through it. >> You know, there's s there's sadness and you need you need sadness in your life
00:28:24
to appreciate what happiness is. But when it's in, you know, it's easy to say
00:28:27
I'm depressed as a throwaway sort of line. >> But >> so would you say people exaggerate
00:28:32
depression? >> Well, you you said you're depressed all the time, but I I'd argue that that what
00:28:36
you've got is not actual depression. >> Exactly. That's that's the whole
00:28:40
argument that I'm I'm trying to say is that There are only two emotions,
00:28:47
two positive, negative. Everything is subheading. Enthusiasm, joy, laughter, all of that
00:28:55
falls under positive. Negative is depression, anxiety, fear falls under negative. There's only two oper two two
00:29:03
emotions. >> I just operate in in in in a positive emotion. I feel negativity in there, but
00:29:10
I just I keep moving. I I could guarantee you, buddy, my whole family could be unal alive tomorrow and I still
00:29:17
would have showed up to this podcast because it's in my duty. It's in my
00:29:23
heart. It's in my bloodline. It's in my It's in It's in my nature, in my mantra
00:29:28
to show up despite I could have walked into this pot. My whole family could have unalived. Touch what it doesn't
00:29:33
happen. My whole family could be unalive. I could literally come here and shake you in the hand and be like,
00:29:37
"Buddy, I'm ready for the podcast. Let's go." And then cry tears as I'm getting
00:29:40
back in the car. you do you cry much? Um are you an emotional guy? It's quite
00:29:47
funny like we've been talking like half an hour and I've seen um just an
00:29:50
observation. It's like um >> like when you talk about your mom and your family, there's this real um like
00:29:56
softness to you. >> Yeah. >> You sort of lean forward and it's really
00:29:59
good and then then it's like [laughter] >> no it's like a volcano that's about to
00:30:04
erupt. >> No, no, The thing is like I I because I've been on other podcasts, right,
00:30:10
where they really want to dive into the soul of Steven Setu. Um I finished off with Latell with Dave and that was, you
00:30:18
know, that's done numbers and everybody's like, "Wow, I like to see
00:30:20
that side of Stephen. With you, I feel like it's nice. This is really cool because you're just laying it out
00:30:27
there." I feel like this is probably the first time I've been challenged on a
00:30:30
podcast, which is great. And so you tell me a bit about how is Stephen like when
00:30:35
he's growing up and then you see okay cool you see that but then you'll say
00:30:40
why is your opinions like this and I'm like okay cool >> game on game on
00:30:45
>> you [clears throat] see what I mean so >> yeah yeah yeah >> it's great but I prefer these podcasts
00:30:50
because you're not you're not being biased. I actually love this and I love
00:30:54
your authenticity and I I would say from every podcast because like when I went on Duncan Ghana me and him basically
00:31:00
have the same rhetoric. He basically everything I said he just he agrees even you know with you I got a little bit of
00:31:08
push back but that's great and I feel like you need push back in order to learn. You need push back in order to
00:31:15
come from a different angle or listen to a different perspective. So you know >> Yeah. And I'm I'm just curious. I'd
00:31:20
rather I'd rather like have you have you explain why you think certain things um
00:31:24
rather than just like be like nah let's not give this guy a platform >> um cuz it's interesting like we got to
00:31:30
we got to share the same streets with each other you know people have different opinions so it's good to get
00:31:34
to the bottom of it >> but yeah so what was school like for you you mentioned before like you were
00:31:39
bullied was this at school in New Zealand once you moved to New Zealand or >> Yep.
00:31:43
>> What was what did the bullying look like? >> Fat. >> Yeah. Were you a big kid?
00:31:47
>> Yeah, big kid. I've lost weight, gained weight, lost weight, gained weight.
00:31:50
That's happened because I've injured my meniscus, you know, playing sports and
00:31:54
things like that. So, I've gained weight, lost weight. At the end of the day, it's just excuses. I think I got to
00:31:58
lose, you know, I'm on a weight loss journey now, but you know, I I've been
00:32:03
bullied a lot in school. um at that point. >> Yeah. Like primary school, intermediate.
00:32:10
>> This might be another controversial take, but when I was in [laughter] >> Sorry, Tom. I used to think at that
00:32:19
point bullying was bad. But I believe we should bring bullying back cuz I believe
00:32:24
bullying turns people into the greatest beings. I believe like we need to bring back bullying. No, we don't. We need
00:32:34
what we need is more kindness and compassion. I mean being being I mate I I >> I'm curious to see how you work because
00:32:42
um you probably you probably don't know me from my radio career e >> somewhat.
00:32:47
>> Yeah. So I I did 20 years doing the a nationwide breakfast on the station
00:32:50
called the edge and I was never going to be the funniest person. I was never going to be um the nicest person or the
00:32:57
best looking. So I found out I needed a niche and the niche I went went as like a shock jock. So I was the guy I was the
00:33:03
guy on the radio. People would say, "Oh, Dom says what everyone's thinking." And
00:33:07
often time it wasn't even what I was thinking. I was just trying to shock and
00:33:11
provoke and evoke an emotion out of people. >> You think I'm doing that?
00:33:14
>> Do you think I'm doing that? >> I do. I do. [laughter] I I do.
00:33:19
>> Perhaps. We don't know. >> I do in a way. But may And but maybe and
00:33:23
maybe for you like for the age and stage you're at life now, you genuinely believe all these things you're saying.
00:33:29
Then I don't know. [ __ ] For me, during my 40s, I went through some mental health stuff and now I realized like the
00:33:34
the best thing I can do, there's a lot of people doing it tough out there. The
00:33:36
best thing I can do is just be be nice and it makes me feel better. Makes other people feel better.
00:33:41
>> I think I'm a nice guy, Dom. >> Yeah, >> I think I'm a nice guy, Dom. I I I don't
00:33:45
think my opinions make me not a nice guy. >> You know what I mean? I think I'm Look,
00:33:50
okay, obviously there's a bit exaggeration. Obviously, there's a bit probing the bear out there and getting a
00:33:55
bit of a reaction. But what what I mean by the context of they should bring bullying back. They
00:34:01
shouldn't bring bullying back as a whole. But but what I mean by that is is that sometimes to get to appreciate the
00:34:09
sun, you got to go through the rain. And every diamond was once cut, you know? That's what I'm saying. You got to go
00:34:15
through some sort of whiplash. The faster the car, the stronger the wind, >> you know, but I I never thought I'd be
00:34:22
um [laughter] the first person to walk out on my own podcast. Okay. [laughter] Okay. Okay. No, no. But
00:34:31
on on a realness, sorry guys, [snorts] on a on a on a realness, I think we got to bring it down to it was a is Yes. Be
00:34:37
kind. Be nice. >> Um like bullying bullying's Yeah. I don't know how much of that is just you
00:34:43
trolling. But like bullying is [ __ ] terrible. And when I was at school, there was no technology. So you get
00:34:48
bullied at school. Home was a safe haven. And I feel like home's not a safe haven anymore because everyone's got
00:34:53
devices and you know kids are contactable with their classmates 24/7. It's not cool.
00:34:58
>> Yeah. No, you're right. It's it's it's not good when it gets to that point.
00:35:01
Yeah. With that point, it's absolutely revolting. >> Yeah. Like how did you how did you feel
00:35:04
when you were bullied at school? >> Disgusted. Um sad. Depressed. It's
00:35:10
>> Did it make you Did it make you meek or did you sort of fight back or >> It made me weak. It made me weak. It
00:35:16
made me. It made me feel it made me feel like I wanted to go. It made me feel like I've had enough of life.
00:35:23
But it's easier for me to say I guess you know I could meet you at Common Ground and and I guess it's just easier
00:35:30
for me to say now because age builds perspective and I'm in a better place now and I can look back and try to make
00:35:37
it sound fancy and say well if I didn't get bullied I wouldn't be here. But
00:35:41
going through it at that moment was ridiculous. And it was hell. And not many people have that mental, you know,
00:35:48
acumen to push through. So I think it's a little bit farfetched for me to say,
00:35:53
"Mate, mate, it's I I [clears throat] got an email." >> I stand corrected, fam. [laughter]
00:35:58
>> I got an email out of the blue last week from a guy I went to school with, and it
00:36:01
was um a lovely email telling me how much he loves the podcast and the work I'm doing. As soon as I saw this name
00:36:07
pop up on my [ __ ] Outlook Outlook thing, >> like it made my uh it made like the the
00:36:13
hairs on my back stand up because this guy was a [ __ ] bully at school. Wow. >> This guy made my life hell for years
00:36:19
>> and now he's like, "Hey." And but made me realize I just wrote back a nice, oh,
00:36:24
thanks, man. Appreciate it. Made me realize he probably didn't even realize he was doing it. He probably didn't
00:36:29
realize the impact his actions were having on me. Here I am. [ __ ] old ass man. [laughter]
00:36:34
>> Yeah. still triggered by seeing this guy's name in an email. >> Yeah.
00:36:39
>> Yeah. So, when did you start to get big? >> I've always had a problem with my
00:36:45
weight. I've always been up and down. >> Is it is it is it is it diet or is it a
00:36:49
genetic thing or >> you know what it is? I just love food, mate. >> Yeah.
00:36:54
>> And I shared this on on another podcast. Um I dived into it. I said, "Yes, as
00:37:02
much as I say depression is not real and I say you got to get up and get the [ __ ]
00:37:06
out of your feelings and keep moving." It was only until recently cuz my friends keep everything real with me.
00:37:12
And I had a friend that said, "Stephen, mate, yeah, you might not be sleeping in
00:37:16
bed. Yeah, you might not be drinking alcohol. Yeah, you might not be taking drugs, but you're [ __ ] eating
00:37:21
yourself to a grave." >> And I just that that was like, whoa. That was crazy because I feel like
00:37:28
depression, my way of dealing with depression, one of the vices has been gluttony.
00:37:34
>> And um so yeah, I could I stand [snorts] corrected and say so it's a bit
00:37:40
hypocritical for me saying, you know, get the out of your feelings, keep moving,
00:37:45
but you know, but it's it's easy to say that when you're eating eight Big Macs
00:37:50
and 12 fries and can of Coke and for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you know, [ __ ]
00:37:56
>> [snorts] >> Yeah, it's a form of self harm in a way. >> Yeah.
00:37:59
>> Um, yeah. What did Yeah. What did you get from overeating? Like was it was it
00:38:03
eating comfortable food make made you feel good? Like endorphins? >> I think food was the only thing that
00:38:07
made that had my back. I think food was the only thing that made me that that never hurt me. I think I've been hurt my
00:38:14
whole entire life and food was the only thing that um that didn't hurt me even though it did.
00:38:22
Every time I ate, I always had a release of endorphins and I felt happy and that
00:38:27
was enough to get me through the night. >> That was enough to that was enough for
00:38:31
me to, you know, outlast the storm. But then, you know, like everything, you realize
00:38:40
it's actually doing the opposite. It's gone to the point now where I don't really emphasize that much on
00:38:49
feelings because I think there was a huge part of my life where I did and now I don't really emphasize on feelings and
00:38:54
it's getting to the point now where I'm like why do I need to lose weight? I'm
00:38:58
all good. I I'm confident. I'm this and that. But that's the trouble, man. I
00:39:03
don't wear shoes like cuz I can't tie my shoelaces, man. I wear jandals, man. I'm
00:39:07
you know I walk around like David Tour. The only difference is he's fit. I'm
00:39:10
not. So, it's just >> he's so fat, eh? >> Yeah, he's fat, man. What the [ __ ] I
00:39:15
love watching his um if you follow him on Instagram, it's a captivating watch.
00:39:19
He trains every day. >> He's in his own gym, I guess, because there's no health and safety.
00:39:23
>> He's in his He's in his early 50s, man. He can [ __ ] move. >> Hey, he's like lifting massive massive
00:39:29
weights with >> Yeah. So it's um yeah it's just it's it's I've I've re I
00:39:36
can say that it was only till recently I realized that the reason why it's easier
00:39:41
for me to say that depression is not real is because my vice is to eat eat out of it
00:39:47
>> but also move but I can only move because I ate so for me to move I need
00:39:52
to eat you know but I want to be able to replace that with going to the gym and which I [clears throat] have recently
00:39:58
I've been going to the gym and exercising >> what What did you weigh at your peak?
00:40:02
>> 220. >> [ __ ] What are you now? >> I'm 190. >> Right. [ __ ] That's a lot of weight to
00:40:08
be carrying around, eh? >> Yeah. It's a lot, mate. It's a lot. But
00:40:12
I went to the doctors, man. The doctors were saying to me, you're still a little
00:40:15
bit fit. Like the doctors are saying, "You're still like the doctors go,
00:40:19
normally somebody who's at 180 is bedridden." >> Mhm. >> Like can't even move yet. I'm in my car
00:40:26
coming out of my car going upstairs doing this. So, you know, I think half is to do with genetics and bone density,
00:40:33
but >> yeah, your your siblings, are they big? >> Uh, yeah. Big, small, big, small.
00:40:39
>> You know, but also I think if you look at the Polynesian culture, food is
00:40:44
culture. >> And when you're in a Polynesian family, all you see is your parents buy food.
00:40:52
You don't see them buy clothes. You see them buy food. So, we hold food at a
00:40:56
high echelon. But I would argue the family's in broken head and he had like Takapuna, you know, out in the shore. I
00:41:04
have a friend who's Pacquiao and he was telling me that he goes, "We went to the
00:41:07
mall one time and I said, "Let's go to the food court." And he's like, "Why?" I
00:41:11
was like, "Well, don't we eat when we go out?" He's like, "No, I'm here to buy a
00:41:15
shirt." So, he would buy a shirt that's $40 and then look at a family feast and
00:41:20
say, "What a waste of money." Whereas, I'll buy a family feast for $40 and look
00:41:24
at a shirt and be like, "That's a [laughter] waste of money." But it's
00:41:27
just culture, you know. It's culture and differences. Yeah. >> Yeah. [laughter]
00:41:33
>> It's funny. I've I've been to um Sam a couple of times. Not American Samurai.
00:41:37
Um just, you know, up here Samoa. >> Um and there's there's there's no one
00:41:43
there that's not massively overweight. So I think it's probably some of the
00:41:46
processed food here in >> New Zealand or other countries where some move to. Well, if you think about
00:41:51
it, our bloodline who grew our ancestors and all that grew up from the land, >> you know, ever since the white sugar,
00:41:57
the white bread and all of that got involved. If you look at their their convenience stores, it's highly
00:42:01
processed. >> Like highly like corn beef, mutton flaps, turkey tails. They don't even
00:42:07
have sirloin steaks, none of that. They all have the offcuts that butchers from New Zealand sell abroad. So that's why
00:42:15
in Samo, they don't have like a lamb chops. They have like mutton flaps and it's like about 90% fat and then 10%
00:42:22
meat. It's [laughter] just Dude, do you like corn beef? M I look like corn beef.
00:42:27
Of course I'm not cold beef, buddy. [laughter] You like corn beef? >> No, you don't.
00:42:30
>> No, I had it growing up all the time. I [ __ ] hate it. >> What? [laughter] How? What do you mean?
00:42:35
>> That's blasphemy. No, it brings back um it's triggering. It brings back uh
00:42:40
memories of my childhood. Um, so when you were bullied at school, you'd come home, you would you tell your
00:42:47
mom or were you sort of introverted? You kept this to yourself? >> No, because I grew up in a family where
00:42:51
you couldn't, and this is predominant in poly families is you couldn't share your
00:42:56
feelings because mental health wasn't really a thing. So, you would go back to
00:43:01
the family home and you would want to share your feelings and you, you know, but then they'll say, "Oh, you're gay.
00:43:06
Weak yuck." >> You know, things like that. So, we've always been known just to hold it in.
00:43:14
>> And as much as that sounds sad, >> I feel like it's made me who I am today.
00:43:20
>> And I feel like if I never went through that sort of [ __ ] I probably wouldn't
00:43:24
be able to withstand the hate that I'm getting now. Cuz I can guarantee you when this podcast uploads, it's going to
00:43:29
get views. >> And you'll probably do some snippets of things that are going to probe the beer.
00:43:35
>> [laughter] >> I know you, Dom, you're going to probably do one where you got to, you
00:43:38
know, we where there's going to be some snippets to get people enticed to watch
00:43:42
it. >> And there's going to be a lot of people that's going to hate me. There's going
00:43:45
to be a lot of people that's probably going to call me out, >> but but it is what it is, you know,
00:43:51
>> got the truth out. one one one thing I found um I found really interesting so
00:43:55
far. So I've heard you on some other podcasts and you talk about how almost like men shouldn't show vulnerability,
00:44:01
they shouldn't show weakness and things like that. But you you've you've shown
00:44:04
some already today and it's really endearing. Well, yeah. Well, that's the
00:44:07
thing. I don't want to I don't want people to think that I have no remorse
00:44:11
or no heart. I think that's the misunderstanding that people have with me is they think he has no heart. Bro, I
00:44:18
have the biggest heart off camera or even on camera. I think I'm I'm I'm I'm
00:44:23
such a loving guy. It's just that people can't get through the noise when they
00:44:27
hear the opinions and they hear the so-called misogyny and so-called homophobic. They're like, "Oh, this
00:44:34
guy's a terrible person." I'm like, "Mate, I'm such a cool dude. If you get
00:44:38
to know me, I don't I'm not trying to tell you don't have emotions. I'm just
00:44:43
saying don't operate from it." M >> that's like the Bible says be angry sin
00:44:49
not >> and that's all I'm saying if if you could break down Steven Settle's message
00:44:55
into a nutshell it would be move even when you don't feel like moving and that
00:45:01
is a beautiful message because life is not going to be all [ __ ] fireworks. It's going to hit you where it hurts.
00:45:10
You're going, you know, you're always going to have a bad day. You know,
00:45:13
everybody has a bad day. M >> whether you you know somebody you love's
00:45:19
going to die or you're going to die and that's a fact. >> Everybody's entitled. Everybody's got a
00:45:26
bad day coming. Either you die or somebody you love will die. >> So why have a bad day now?
00:45:34
[laughter] >> You see what I MEAN? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU SEE, SEE my message is that
00:45:38
why have a bad day now? Why? >> Yeah. Well, s suffering is part of the human experience. But um like
00:45:45
essentially the Bible, there's a lot of wacky stuff in there, especially the Old
00:45:49
Testament, right? But the Bible, the the message in there, like with the Ten Commandments, is basically it's don't be
00:45:54
an [ __ ] eh? More or less, if you boil it down to one sentence, it's don't
00:45:58
don't be an [ __ ] >> What the thing about me is I wouldn't say I'm religious. I'll say I'm very
00:46:01
spiritual. You know, I wouldn't say that I I, you know, adhere I look at the
00:46:07
Bible as a book of philosophy rather than a book of theology. I think it's the first personal self-help book. So
00:46:13
like people would actually think that there was an ark and Noah had it and the ark actually is out there. I would
00:46:20
believe that the ark is just a parable and it's a story that the ark is God and
00:46:24
then and that the floods are trials and turbulence and that if we put our faith in God that we would withstand the
00:46:30
flood. >> So I see the Bible more as poetry rather than actual true events. So
00:46:39
yeah, I don't I'm not that person that's out there trying to like Did you know
00:46:43
that the charity of fire flew into the air, mate? Like I'm that's [laughter]
00:46:48
that's not that's not me, bro. The water turned red and the wine. Yeah, that's I
00:46:53
see it as poetry, >> right? Part of me would like to think there was a guy called Daniel that had a
00:46:58
fight with a liar, [laughter] mate. >> Well, see, the thing is this is like I
00:47:01
believe that there is a higher power. We're living in such an amazing time because science and theology are in
00:47:08
agreement. Theology believes that there's a God. Science believe there's a higher power.
00:47:14
So they both are in agreement. If you talk to a scientist, a scientist will say, "We believe in a higher power. We
00:47:21
believe there's a higher power. This higher power cannot be created or destroyed. This higher power is
00:47:25
omnipresent. This higher power lives in us, through us, around us. We are. This higher power is around the cosmos." And
00:47:31
then there would call that higher power energy. Energy is justice. Energy cannot
00:47:36
be created or destroyed. Energy is omnipresent. We are energy. Energy is around us. We all started from energy.
00:47:42
>> You ask a Christian, they would say God. They will say God is just is. God is
00:47:47
omnipresent. God lives through us around us. God is around. So they both believe
00:47:53
that there is a power. It's just so many labels. >> Science believes that power is called
00:47:58
energy. Christians believe it's Jesus. And Muslims believe it's Allah. So if we
00:48:04
strip back all the labels, we can all come into a general consensus and say, "Well, there is a power."
00:48:10
>> Oh, yeah. And everyone's looking for something to believe in. And I think
00:48:13
>> I don't know, I'm basing this on nothing but sort of um feeling really, but I
00:48:17
feel like um religion's sort of like back on the rise and it's just cuz people are searching for some sort of
00:48:22
meaning. >> You're um >> you're you're you're very articulate and
00:48:27
and intelligent. Were you intelligent at school? Did you do well at school? >> I did a lot of drama. I did a lot of
00:48:31
drama in school, man. I p I I failed everything, but I passed drama. And it's
00:48:36
funny how it extrapolates now to every part of my life is drama. But I hated school so much. Only went there to eat
00:48:43
my lunch. Now I look like lunch. So [laughter] do do you feel like you have to make um
00:48:49
you've done you've done this a few times today. Do you feel like you have to make
00:48:52
fat jokes cuz you got to get in and make the joke before someone else does? Well,
00:48:55
the thing is is it's like how can you how can you laugh at the world if you can't laugh at yourself?
00:49:02
>> You don't want to be that guy that can give out jokes but can't take it.
00:49:05
>> Yeah. Oh, no. You have to. If if you're going to make the jokes, you have to
00:49:08
take the jokes. >> Yeah. You can't be that. You don't want to be that guy. Nothing's worse than a
00:49:11
comedian that goes and, you know, roast the people in the crowd and then as soon
00:49:15
as he gets heckled, he [ __ ] has a brain hernia, you know? >> So, I don't want to be that guy. And
00:49:22
>> yeah, honestly, I I I just I don't know. I just love making people laugh. But
00:49:26
going back to what you were saying was I always passed the drama. And yeah, I just I don't know. That's it. I
00:49:34
love talking. My parents always said I had the gift of the gab. I'm that person
00:49:40
that you can drop me in the middle of Saudi Arabia, the middle of United Arabs of Emirates
00:49:47
with no money. You come back in a year, I'll be on a camel speaking Arabic. That's me. You throw me to a set of
00:49:58
wolves, I come back leading the pack. I always believe that I'm him. Like literally, um that's been my
00:50:08
mindset. And a lot of times people say that's very arrogant. No, [clears throat] it's confident. I truly
00:50:13
do believe that I can get myself out of every situation that I've been in cuz
00:50:17
I've been in situations where my back was against the wall and I've always
00:50:23
come out of it. There's only one situation that I think I would have never been able to come out of is the
00:50:28
Ocean Gate submarine. You remember the Ocean Gate submarine? >> What's that?
00:50:32
>> You remember those people, the billionaires that went into the submarine?
00:50:35
>> Oh, going down to look at the Titanic. >> They went down to look at the Titanic.
00:50:38
Yeah. Cuz I can only imagine the lights cut off. as as they were going down. I can only
00:50:45
imagine they're looking at the man saying with with his little uh joystick trying to control the ocean gate. I can
00:50:51
literally SEE THEM SAYING WHERE WHAT'S HAPPENING? What can we do? What can we
00:50:57
do? And I can only imagine the man going there's nothing I can do cuz you can't
00:51:03
swim out. You you're you're in the middle of nowhere. You can't just open
00:51:08
the door and say well goodbye guys. are going back up to surfers. You literally just have to accept your fate then and
00:51:14
there. So, that's probably the only situation I feel like where you you there's no other way to avoid that other
00:51:23
than not getting into the submarine in the first place. >> But if I'm in a house, I would always
00:51:29
think, oh, I can go out through the back door. If I'm in the car, I could break
00:51:32
the window. >> So, that's always been my mindset. But when I started thinking about that
00:51:36
submarine, I was like, bro, there's no way you're just dead. like you're done.
00:51:41
>> Yeah, that was a weird that's I forgot all about that. That was a weird time.
00:51:44
Like there was so many jokes and memes online and it it's like people got a sense of glee that these billionaires
00:51:50
>> Yeah. >> um with the victims was really odd mentality. >> Yeah.
00:51:54
>> Almost like a tall poppy sort of thing. >> But but you know what I find absolutely
00:51:57
funny about that situation is >> you get the same experience mate watching on YouTube. [laughter]
00:52:07
You want to Why do you need to travel anywhere? You >> That's what I'm saying, mate.
00:52:11
>> You have billions and billions of [ __ ] dollars. You're in your mansion.
00:52:16
You got your Lamborghini and your Ferrari up front. >> Everything is working. Got so much money
00:52:22
you've never dreamed of. And you're like, "Son, let's go." [laughter]
00:52:27
>> Cuz they could even have YouTube Premium. No ads. >> That's what I'm saying. Cuz [snorts]
00:52:32
you're not even really looking at the ship. You're looking at it through. Did
00:52:35
you see the image? It's like a little circle. It's a little circle window and
00:52:38
they're staring out there. >> Why would you pay [ __ ] dollars to go into a submarine? Probably stinks as
00:52:45
hell because it's a small submarine. You're in [laughter] there. You're going
00:52:49
all the way down for 7 hours, bro. You couldn't even let me stay in here for 7
00:52:53
hours. Like, you know what I mean? >> Oh, I got news coming, son. >> You [laughter]
00:53:01
Jackson, get rid of the power. [laughter] But that's what I'm trying to say to
00:53:06
people is like you it's it's it's just crazy. It's mindbending. I will never do anything if I know that
00:53:14
the pros never exceed the cons. >> So like somebody like I went to the wired doctors the other day. There's a
00:53:20
place where you can uh it's like a little gap and then you stand on this little bench and then it's just the
00:53:27
water there. And my friend would always be like, "Do you reckon you could stand
00:53:30
there for $50?" And I'm like, mate, the pros is like they're at $50. The cons is
00:53:38
drown. If [laughter] you can keep your [ __ ] 50, mate. I don't know. These billionaires were like, "Yeah, he has a
00:53:46
joystick, you know, that controls the the thing. We're just signing a waiver
00:53:51
saying that there's a chance we can die." But like the the hubris to think that
00:53:58
you can just go in there and nothing's going to happen is absolutely ridiculous. M
00:54:01
>> would you have went? >> [ __ ] no. No. Too scared. Too scared. I'm
00:54:08
probably like you. I'd weigh things up. >> You have kids? >> Uh, no. No.
00:54:12
>> Okay. If you Okay. You have a wife? >> I've got a Yeah, a partner. I've got an
00:54:17
ex-wife sitting out there. >> Okay. I've got a current partner. >> Okay. Well, let's say your current
00:54:20
partner. Well, that's Whoa. Did you say ex-wife and current partner? I don't
00:54:24
know what you have, man. But you [laughter] you have a spirit of like getting together, man. That's awesome,
00:54:28
man. I don't know how I could make my girlfriend and my ex partner be in the
00:54:32
same room, man. It would be Jerry Springer. Uh, so what I was saying was as uh [ __ ] what was I talking about?
00:54:38
[laughter] >> Okay, so if your if somebody close to you came to you and said, "Dom, let's go
00:54:45
and see Titanic. This means the world to me. I went and purchased our tickets. It's about 10,000 a piece and I think
00:54:52
this would be amazing." Somehow I feel like you would say yes. No, no, no, no,
00:54:57
no. >> So, you would say no? >> No. Yeah. I'll give you an example.
00:55:00
Smaller stakes example. >> Myself and my girlfriend, we went to Rainbow's End once. She wanted to do the
00:55:05
giant drop. I didn't. She went on the giant drop. [gasps and laughter] I stayed on the ground and held held her
00:55:10
bag. >> Yeah. That's good. That's good, [laughter] man. Yeah. I would interest.
00:55:15
>> You You're um you're really you're you're funny. >> Thank you.
00:55:18
>> Why don't Here's something to think about. Why don't you do funny stuff online? Or
00:55:24
if you feel really really strongly about some of these crazy opinions you've got,
00:55:28
try and get into politics. But it's funny because a lot of people do think I'm funny online. My opinions, they find
00:55:33
it funny. >> Yeah. >> You know, like I don't try to be funny, but by default it's funny. It's just
00:55:38
like I'm not trying to be funny to you, but you just have a laugh because it's
00:55:40
like it's so outrageous that it's funny. >> You know what I mean? So a lot of times,
00:55:45
like that's the amazing thing about social media is you can be anything you want to be. So, it's like I'm speaking
00:55:51
about my opinions and by automatically I'm a comedian. >> Mhm. >> Because I make people laugh. But a lot
00:55:57
of people have been telling me to run in parliament. They feel like they need a voice like mine. I can man if I went
00:56:03
into parliament. It would be it would be crazy, man. It would it it would be crazy cuz I feel but I feel
00:56:11
like it would be a a a breath of fresh air. I honestly think it would be because it would be the first time
00:56:18
you'll see somebody in the House of Parliament going, "I don't give a [ __ ]
00:56:22
This is how we're going to sort it." Look, Mr. Speaker, shut your shut your
00:56:27
mouth. [laughter] Mr. Speaker, shut your mouth. Hey, you sit down there, Christopher Lux, mate,
00:56:33
when I'm talking to you. I honestly feel like it would be crazy. It would be a
00:56:37
show, but people would love it. >> Yeah. And we're like, we're a democracy,
00:56:40
so you put yourself out there. If the people want it, you get in. Otherwise, they don't.
00:56:45
>> So, when is your dad still alive? >> Yeah, he's still alive. >> Yeah. You made peace with him? Are you
00:56:50
guys? >> Yeah, we we we you know, you can't fly when your wings are heavy.
00:56:53
>> Mhm. >> Um >> it's never going to be the same again, though. You can forgive. But
00:56:58
>> yeah, and [clears throat] also as well, it's like when you hold on to
00:57:01
unforgiveness, the only person that's getting hurt is you. It's like you're
00:57:04
throwing a sand in a huge gust of wind. You think that the sand's going to hit
00:57:09
your dad when it's coming into your own eyes. M >> there's a little a depiction I would
00:57:14
like to share with you Dom where um this wife she came home and the house was unclean
00:57:22
and then she said you ain't getting any sex tonight to her husband. So at night
00:57:26
time comes she goes into her bed the husband comes he goes onto the bed the wife moves off the husband gets closer
00:57:34
the wife moves off all the way to the point where the wife falls off the bed. Then the husband's in the bed with a
00:57:39
nice blanket going to sleep while the wife is shivering on the ground. And that is a great depiction of
00:57:44
unforgiveness because you think that you're winning yet you're not. >> And when you're holding on to this
00:57:50
unforgiveness and you're holding on to this unresentment, that person that you
00:57:53
hate is like their husband sleeping in a warm blanket when you're shivering.
00:57:58
>> Yeah. Blissfully unaware. Blissfully unaware. >> So yeah, a friend of mine used to say,
00:58:03
um, yeah, anger is like holding on to a hot rock and hoping someone else gets burned. Yeah, that's it. Um,
00:58:09
>> variation of what you just said. >> Yeah. So, I forgive I've forgiven him. I
00:58:12
love him. I love him because he's my dad. I wouldn't say he's my father,
00:58:16
though. >> I feel like dad and father is two differentiations. I believe a dad is a
00:58:21
sperm donor. I believe a father who raises you. >> So, I wouldn't say he's my father, but
00:58:28
you know, I said to my mother, don't think that I'm going to start [ __ ]
00:58:31
sending him love letters and happy daddy daycare, you know, like happy daddy father's day. like you ain't going to
00:58:37
see none of that. But >> you can't make up for that time that's that's missed and also also the poor way
00:58:42
he treated your mom and you guys. >> Yeah. Well, when I mentioned him on my
00:58:46
podcast, my family watched the podcast back and like, "Son, be careful. Like,
00:58:51
your dad's going to watch that and feel sad." And I'm like, "But
00:58:54
I was sad for like a whole [ __ ] 20 years when he was gone. I'm sure a little [ __ ] 5 minute podcast would
00:59:00
[ __ ] affect him, mate." >> Yeah. And yeah, if Steven's dad is watching this,
00:59:05
>> get the [ __ ] out of your feelings. [laughter] >> GET THE [ __ ] OUT OF YOUR FEELINGS.
00:59:09
>> [ __ ] hell. >> Have you ever um >> Did growing up, did you ever you ever
00:59:15
had try therapy or go to therapy or anything? You've got strong views on it now.
00:59:19
>> Well, the thing is I used to love therapy in high school counseling because you didn't have to go to class.
00:59:26
I >> like the the school guidance counselor >> honestly. And I used this so much. I
00:59:30
would say cuz they say if you have any problems go to the school counselor. So I did that all the time. I kept going to
00:59:36
the school counselor and remember I I passed in drama. So I'd go to the counselor and I'll say I feel like I'm
00:59:41
walking a tight rope without a circus then. I feel like I'm down like so the
00:59:46
counselor will have me in there talking sending reports to my teacher saying we need Steven for more lessons to come
00:59:52
into counseling. I think they started to realize after a while because they noticed I wasn't coming to class all the
00:59:57
time and then yeah they caught on to that so I had to go back to class but but I don't believe in therapy bro what
01:00:03
do you mean >> damn it like this this chair is like really >> yeah how are you do you do you travel
01:00:10
much like look just say I'm fat dog >> no I'm not going to you are you I mean
01:00:16
you're yeah you're you're overweight >> you're overweight but I'm just just
01:00:19
wondering like the um yeah the chair has been like a logistical problem. Well, the great thing is I have, you know, a
01:00:24
lot of cushion, so it can keep me a, you know, afloat for a few minutes, you know, a few hours, you know, I'm I'm a
01:00:31
big boy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's there's there's nothing wrong with that. Apart
01:00:35
from the like the health the health factor, I've never I'm I wouldn't fat
01:00:39
shame you or anything, though. >> That's all right. You can fat shame me,
01:00:42
mate. That just pushes me to be the better version of me. >> Now, I feel like is that what you get
01:00:46
mainly get online from people trolling you? People fat shaming you. The thing is this is like when like people I I did
01:00:52
this vid uh I I made a video this last time cuz people say Steven's got a small
01:00:56
penis. You know people this has been the joke for men. >> Is it is it a small penis?
01:01:01
>> Well, here's the thing, mate. I [laughter] think my wife thinks it's
01:01:03
nice. I don't know. I think my girlfriend thinks it's good. Hey, don't ever [ __ ] ask me.
01:01:11
[laughter] So, what it is is it's okay. So, I went online and I did a video where I was like, people will try to
01:01:19
mock me or diss me and say, "Stephven's got a small penis." And then I would
01:01:22
say, "Well, duh. You think I carry around a long schlong? You think I carry
01:01:27
around a tree?" Like, if you think that saying I got a small penis is somehow
01:01:33
surprising, then you clearly don't know life. Because obviously, just looking at
01:01:38
me, you wouldn't think that I carry around an anaconda. You know what I mean? There's no Steve Irwin here. Steve
01:01:44
Asetsu [laughter] to be to be honest. Up until now, I hadn't thought about your genitals at
01:01:49
all. [laughter] >> Well, we'll go back to therapy. Anyways, I think I might need therapy. I just I
01:01:56
don't believe in therapy because look at Robin Williams. >> The most funniest man alive.
01:02:02
He could have sex whenever he wanted. He had all the money in the world. He was so rich. But for 10 years, he went to
01:02:09
therapy. And when you go to therapy, they don't they they talk about your problems all the time. If I went to
01:02:18
therapy for 10 years talking about how sad I am, even I would have wanted to commit suicide. I'm just being real.
01:02:25
>> If Robin came into my to my therapy class, I would have just said, "Bro, you
01:02:32
live a life that many people don't live. You have tons of money. You can have sex
01:02:36
with whoever you want. You can travel the world. You're literally the 1%. Get
01:02:41
the [ __ ] out. Don't ever come here again. You're so ungrateful. And you
01:02:44
probably still would have been alive. >> No, but that's that's not how mental
01:02:47
health works. And that's the for for people like the you the 1% or the 2%ers,
01:02:52
the Robin Williams of the world, the people that have a heap of money. I think it can be even even scarier and
01:02:57
lonier place cuz you're like, "What the [ __ ] is wrong with me? I've got
01:03:00
everything I thought." This is me speaking from personal experience. So I I had a a very nice house in uh in
01:03:06
Westmir, which is a a nice leafy suburb in Oakland. >> Even sounds expensive. [laughter] West.
01:03:12
>> I had had like a nice heated swimming pool. It was heated all year round, the
01:03:15
swimming pool. Had a spa pool. I had a a a small room in the house that was a nothing room. So I turned into a
01:03:21
library. I had a [ __ ] library. It was like I was living in the Pluto house. >> There was a second lounge which I never
01:03:27
went into. >> I I had everything I thought was going to make me happy. and you you accumulate
01:03:32
all this material wealth and then you you realize you you still feel empty and it's a scary place to be.
01:03:38
>> Yeah. But that ain't going to lead you to take your life off. [laughter]
01:03:41
>> No. No. But that's that's >> you know what I mean? Like >> that's why I'm saying it's like you I
01:03:47
feel like it's absolutely disgraceful to be living the life that most people
01:03:50
don't live and for you to so like Liam the guy from One Direction who dropped
01:03:55
who jumped off the hotel. that guy had like there was they said they recorded a conversation of him like
01:04:03
there was a bystander because he committed um suicide the next day, but apparently he was in the um in a cafe
01:04:11
screaming at his laptop talking to somebody on FaceTime saying >> he goes, "I got $25 million. I can do
01:04:18
whatever I want." >> Yeah. He he was he was high at the time. So I don't think he was in a like a
01:04:22
right frame of mind. >> But therapy um I don't don't knock it till you try. I I found I was very
01:04:28
reluctant to go and I think a lot of it was based around fear. I didn't want to
01:04:31
go and in my sort of mid to late 40s I went and um >> I found it really beneficial. It just
01:04:37
gives you a different way of like framing things. >> So you're not you're not going there
01:04:40
like talking about the same problem over and over again. >> Well, the thing is I'm therapy is
01:04:44
literally you finding the answers. A therapist can't give you personal advice. They can only lay out options
01:04:49
and ask questions for you to find the advice yourself. I don't need someone to
01:04:53
ask me questions for me to find who I am. I know who I am because I've lived in
01:04:59
this body forever. So, I'm not going to let someone else try to navigate a way
01:05:02
for me to find out who I am. I already know who I am. >> You know what I mean? So,
01:05:07
>> but you only know what you know. And a trained therapist, I'm not talking about
01:05:11
a school guidance counselor here. Like a a good trained therapist can just give you a different a different way of
01:05:16
looking at things, like a different perspective that maybe you haven't seen before.
01:05:19
>> Yeah, perhaps. But for me, it just doesn't work for me to be honest. Yeah.
01:05:23
Like I'll probably have a laugh and a chuckle if I walked into therapy and they said, "So tell me like how does
01:05:29
your heart feel? I'd [ __ ] probably burst into laughter, mate." >> They don't ask how your heart
01:05:34
>> honestly if I went in there and they going, "Do you smell the roses and
01:05:38
lavenders flying from the sky?" I like, "Mate, get the [ __ ] out [laughter] of
01:05:40
here." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, Steven, Steven, Steven. Um, >> but I must say, bro, I really enjoy
01:05:50
>> I've been on a few podcasts and I really enjoy this one. And obviously there's
01:05:55
going to be some angry people that are going to watch this and there's going to
01:05:58
be some people that are going to laugh and have a chuckle about this. >> But I appreciate this, Dom, cuz this is
01:06:03
probably the most realist podcast I've been on. I feel like there's a lot of
01:06:06
people that are on in the podcast space where they're too afraid to go against
01:06:13
their guest's belief. M >> so a guest would come in and a guest would say stuff but they're trying to
01:06:19
make a conversation flow so then they would just start yes they're being yesmens this is the first time I've ever
01:06:26
been here where you've where I've said something like no no no come on boom but
01:06:31
then at the same time you would agree but then at the same time you would kick back and wanting to know in my life it's
01:06:36
like very nuance it's like so that's I'm giving you flowers buddy for that
01:06:41
>> thanks mate well I I think you can we've just lost the art of being a to like
01:06:44
conversations with people like everyone everyone has an opinion but I think a lot of people
01:06:49
>> they've they've lost the ability to have like a rationale >> Yeah
01:06:52
>> conversation around it just and I just want to figure out like what makes you
01:06:56
tick a little bit more that's it >> yeah yeah and and it's great I prefer I
01:07:00
prefer podcasts like this to be honest and I'm glad it's on a big stage I do
01:07:04
believe you are the Wrestlemania of wrestling in terms of [laughter] >> WrestleMania wrestling I've been called
01:07:09
a lot of things today that I've never been called before >> yeah I honestly believe it cuz I I don't
01:07:13
know who would be a bigger podcast than you? And this is not even me being a dick. Like I don't even know who would
01:07:18
be. I don't think I think you're leading the pack in in in terms of the game. And
01:07:23
I think you know too that you are leading the pack. I don't think there's
01:07:25
any podcast that's bigger than your name right now. You know, you got Duncan
01:07:30
Ghana. He's amazing. But I don't think D I I feel like Duncan Ghana doesn't have
01:07:34
the pool that you have. >> Yeah. >> I feel like you got a stronger pool.
01:07:38
>> Yeah. >> I appreciate that a lot. Um, so what makes you happy these days?
01:07:44
[sighs and gasps] >> Winning. >> What does what does winning look like?
01:07:50
>> Proving the haters wrong and proving myself right. >> Yeah, >> that gets to me, I think, but but that's
01:07:55
always been the masculine imperative. >> It's a It's not a bad fuel, eh? Like um,
01:08:00
you know, turning, you know, using your haters as motivators, but it's not the
01:08:04
best fuel there, is it? >> Well, I always I always say this. I say from the dawn of human time, men have
01:08:12
always wanted to be proud. Um, you know, peacocking when, you know, when they used to take over a tribe,
01:08:19
they would take one of the feathers and put it on their hat >> because it would show that I'm proud.
01:08:24
That's why medals were invented, medallions are invented because it's a sense of bragging rights. I always say
01:08:30
to men, never chase happiness, chase being proud. >> What made you proud today? Let women and
01:08:36
children chase happiness. You just chase being proud because if you be proud by default you'll be happy.
01:08:43
>> So I like winning because that makes me proud. You know when people like I got
01:08:49
asked on a podcast the other time, what's your why? And I said my why is to prove to myself every single day that I
01:08:56
matter. Prove to myself every single day that I can win. >> Because there's a lot of people that
01:09:01
don't want me to win, Dom. >> Yeah. But are are you chasing happiness though even if you're even if maybe
01:09:07
you're not conscious of it like when you're when you're um eating bad food or
01:09:12
when you post something on Tik Tok or Instagram and then you watch the likes go up.
01:09:17
>> I don't look at the likes and that so I I on my content cuz I know inevitably
01:09:23
I'll get a lot of views on my videos. >> But I do [ __ ] get happy when I see it
01:09:28
blow up on on other podcasts. I'll give you a prime example. When I went on to
01:09:32
the Dave Latelli podcast, and I might not I'm supposed to probably not even share this, but I'm going to share it
01:09:36
anyways. I went on his podcast. It's called Unfiltered, and they [clears throat] have a sponsor called
01:09:41
The Fanaticals. I think that's that's their sponsor. When they when Dave told
01:09:46
them that I was coming on, they looked at my social media profile, they searched me up, and they're like, "Why
01:09:51
should we get them on? Why why why should we get them on?" like the people that we've had on, the Joe
01:09:56
Damon's, the Lewis Davies, these people that have millions and millions of followers. Why should we get Steven on?
01:10:03
And then Dave said, "Trust me, this guy has influence." Soon as I came on there,
01:10:08
I beat every single person in views. Every single person that they thought was going to outvview me, I outvviewed
01:10:14
them in two days. And that makes me happy, [laughter] >> does it? >> Yeah, that makes me happy because I'm
01:10:20
like, "You [ __ ] you doubted me, but guess what? I I beat your ass down, you know?
01:10:25
Because people also got to understand, I've had multiple accounts banned. If I
01:10:29
never had my accounts banned, I probably would be one of the most viewed in the whole of New Zealand. I had a 1.5
01:10:35
million Tik Tok following account in 6 months. Banned. >> Why? Why were you banned?
01:10:41
>> Hate speech. >> What did you say? >> Well, oh, some like stuff that we said
01:10:46
now. >> Oh, okay. >> And they said there was hate speech. And I was like, who who made you the arbit
01:10:50
of what's hate speech? >> Cuz to other people, they agreed with it. So they're not saying it's hate
01:10:55
speech. >> Yeah. I suppose some of the things you say it's probably just not not helpful.
01:11:00
Maybe. >> Well, it's not helpful to the people that don't find it helpful.
01:11:03
>> Yeah. >> But it's helpful to It's like people will say to me, "You don't care about
01:11:08
people's feelings." But then I get testimonies in my DMs that tell me, "You
01:11:12
made me leave a 5-year marriage. You made me not commit suicide. You made me walk away from something that I couldn't
01:11:17
walk away from." So, you know what I mean? >> Yeah. Yeah, >> if I never did these videos, yeah, there
01:11:25
might be 10 people that I don't like, but as long as I got one person that didn't commit suicide, from that one
01:11:31
person, a whole family tree can come from it. >> Yeah. But I'm I'm just thinking of like
01:11:38
the the the gay and the trans stuff that you've done. Like if you're if you're a
01:11:41
kid that's watching that that's maybe in the closet or confused about their
01:11:44
sexuality and how they feel, it probably wouldn't make them feel very good. >> Well, the thing is I think I've haven't
01:11:48
really said anything bad about gay people. Like I I've I've actually said
01:11:52
they're actually good people and amazing people and they I got gay friends. All I
01:11:56
said is the agenda that they're trying to push. Like they're trying to say that
01:12:00
you can be whatever gender you want to be. I feel like yes, that's okay if they're 18, but don't push that on them
01:12:06
now. >> I feel like that's not fair. >> I think that's not fair to get drag
01:12:10
queens to go and read to 5-year-old kids at schools. That's not fair. I don't
01:12:15
think that's that fair at all. I don't even think it's fair to let Christianity
01:12:19
pastors to go into school and do Bible readings. I don't think that's fair at
01:12:23
all because that's when they're the most impressionable. They're the most
01:12:27
impressionable at 5, six, seven. And if if you don't think it's nice for the
01:12:33
pope or pastor to go and read Bible readings to kids that are five, then you should also agree that you shouldn't let
01:12:40
drag queens come and read gay books to kids. What's a gay book? >> No, just [laughter]
01:12:53
I mean read books to kids. [laughter] Sorry. >> Right. Right. So So maybe a bisexual
01:12:58
book. We don't >> or just a book a gay [laughter] book. The book is a gay book, bro.
01:13:04
>> But look, all I'm saying is um [ __ ] gay [laughter] book. Who Who stood up for
01:13:10
you when you were being bullied at school? >> No one. no one. And that's why I want to be that
01:13:16
bastion of truth and that beacon of light. Like I want to show people that when they see me that you can get
01:13:22
through with it. And I'm making like um fat people cool in a way because I'm so
01:13:29
out the gate with my content. I have my shirt off. Sometimes I'm eating with my
01:13:33
shirt off and that is not normal. Like you only you don't eat on the camera with your shirt off and everything
01:13:40
exposing. But now when I do a fat, people are like, "Man, I love this. If you could do that, I could do it."
01:13:45
>> See, why don't you just do the funny content? >> I do funny content.
01:13:49
>> Yeah, but just do the funny content. Like, what what brand deals do you get?
01:13:53
You'd be too hot, wouldn't you? Too hot to work with. >> That's why I mentioned that I I've been
01:13:56
dropped so many times from brand deals. I had big big brand deals that would message me, but then they do their
01:14:02
research and they've dropped me. Um, so I knew I couldn't work with none of
01:14:06
them. So, what I did was is I said, "Okay, well, I'm going to start from
01:14:08
small family businesses." So I cuz I knew family businesses needed me more than I needed them. I'm the ones with
01:14:15
the followers and the influence. They only have 100 followers. >> So when I started selling things,
01:14:20
promoting them, >> I had all these small family businesses underneath me that big franchise
01:14:28
companies started looking in and were like, "Oo, okay. Well, let's work with
01:14:32
him." Yeah, he might be a [ __ ] online, but the numbers don't lie. M >> he's got like 50 70 food reviews, you
01:14:40
know what I mean? So, but Oh, yeah. It's hard to work with me. But when you have
01:14:46
me on, I'm a gunner. I do have some other brand deals that work with me, but
01:14:49
they're controversial as well. So, they've helped me and pushed me. So, >> all right. What like
01:14:54
>> I don't know, Dom. I don't know. I know. I don't know. We can't speak about those
01:14:57
companies, but >> Well, like like N1 Bets and >> I don't know. What is N1 Bets? Tell me
01:15:02
all about [laughter] them. >> I don't know. I read about I I got an email from them, but I just assumed it
01:15:07
was like a scam thing. >> You don't want you don't want to do casinos and all that. That's not you.
01:15:11
[snorts] >> I I did I did a um a sponsorship deal last year with um Betcher, which is part
01:15:18
of the tab. >> Yep. So, >> did you get did you get heat for that? >> Not as much as what I thought I would,
01:15:23
actually. >> Yeah. >> No. >> What's your thoughts on gambling?
01:15:27
>> I'm My thoughts on gambling are probably the same as my thoughts on junk food,
01:15:31
alcohol, [ __ ] tobacco, vaping. I'm a huge believer in just arming people with
01:15:37
information and then letting them make their own choices. >> Yeah, I'm 100% agree with you. I find it
01:15:42
funny how I promote food. So, I promote food every day. Not one person ever says
01:15:47
to me, "Stephen, you're the reason why I'm fat." But when you promote gambling,
01:15:52
all of a sudden you become the reason that they're broke. >> It's weird. They blame you for making
01:15:58
them broke when you promote gambling, but they don't blame you for promoting
01:16:01
for making them fat when you promote food. For some reason, they demonize gambling more than they do demonize
01:16:07
obesity, but I would argue obesity is a bigger epidemic than gambling ever is, >> but they just it's strange.
01:16:15
[sighs] >> What's um what's been the biggest uh sort of adversity or challenge you've
01:16:19
been through? Is it your your dad leaving or is it [laughter] >> um nothing much really? I I mentioned
01:16:25
this before. It's just allegations. I've had stupid allegations of people just
01:16:30
saying the most heinous, stupid, ridiculous things, but like >> well like I looked on when you Google
01:16:35
your name it comes up um Steven Cedu allegations and I did a bit of a deep dive in it. You did have you got a
01:16:41
conviction from impersonating a security guard? >> No. So basically Well, that is a
01:16:46
conviction. That's a truth. So that >> what's you doing? >> No. So what No. So, what happened was I
01:16:53
had a friend I had a friend that needed me to work on the doors and I didn't
01:16:59
have a COA and he gave me a COA. >> What's that certificate of >> of of approval?
01:17:04
>> Okay. >> Cuz you can't be a security guard without um actual qualifications from
01:17:09
the government and I did a few doors. I became very, as you know, I'm a very
01:17:14
charismatic guy. So, I became loved in the community. But I became loved in the community without an actual security
01:17:19
license. And you know, the police does their checkups and they did a checkup and they realized I wasn't I wasn't a
01:17:26
security guard. And then that's when I got an infringement. I got a I got a convicted. But what the
01:17:31
>> what's the conviction for? Like for fraud or impersonating a >> Yeah. Yeah. Um for being unlicensed,
01:17:37
being unlicensed security guard. >> So I had the qualifications. So I I studied how to be a security guard. I
01:17:43
just didn't get the license. Okay. So it's like a lawyer practicing law without a law without a law license. But
01:17:49
he knows everything about the law, >> right? >> Yeah. Like the the episode Suits, I
01:17:54
think that's what it is. The lawyer, he doesn't go to law school, but he knows
01:17:58
everything. >> Okay. Yeah. I think they call they call that there's a name for that. It's like
01:18:01
a bush lawyer. Um there's lot like a lot of people that are incarcerated that
01:18:04
study law are known as like a bush lawyer. >> When I was like me, I I got all the
01:18:09
qualifications to be a dorman. >> I just didn't have the license. >> Okay. Is is that that the only legal
01:18:14
trouble you've been in? >> Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, that's one of them. And the other ones is like pity
01:18:19
fines. For me, I countered that because I started building a massive portfolio. So the brands now have to work with me.
01:18:26
>> They have to now work with me. It's like those rappers that um you know become
01:18:31
famous rappers. If you look into their history, they like criminal activity, all this sort of stuff like cuz you know
01:18:37
they got guns and all of that. But then these big companies like Nike and all of
01:18:41
that starts working with them because they got like 1.7 million followers. So they're like, "Well, even though he's a
01:18:48
criminal, >> but he's got the influence. >> Too too big to ignore."
01:18:53
>> Yeah. He's [snorts] too big to ignore. So I've built my brand on so many food
01:18:58
reviews that big companies can't say no to me no more. >> What's your what's your inner voice
01:19:03
like? So when we finish this chat today, you turned up here today on your own. So
01:19:07
when we finish this chat, you'll be back in your car driving home. You're going
01:19:10
to be stuck in afternoon traffic, by the way. Sorry about that. >> Probably an hour hour on your own in
01:19:15
your own thoughts. What do you like? You talk to yourself nicely. >> This is what I'm going to do. I'm going
01:19:19
to get in my car and I'm going to sit down. I'm going to lean back and say,
01:19:24
"Where's the closest McDonald's?" I feel like the closest McDonald's is probably
01:19:29
[ __ ] up the road. >> Great North Road. >> Yeah. Great North Road. I'm going to go
01:19:32
and get me that cheesy bacon sandwich. Then I'm going to drive home and I'm
01:19:35
going to be like, "That was a super long podcast. That [ __ ] hurt my ass like
01:19:39
never before." [laughter] >> Have you got a Have Have you Have you actually got a sore butt,
01:19:43
>> mate? Look, I thought I had enough cushion to protect it, mate. But I didn't realize it penetrated. But it's
01:19:48
all right. It's fine. It's not the chair's fault. I don't make excuses. The
01:19:52
chair The chair is probably like saying, "Well, I didn't know a fat guy was going
01:19:55
to sit on me, so it's okay." >> Did do you do you avoid like flying and
01:19:58
going on planes for that reason? Those those seats are [ __ ] narrow. >> The thing is, it's not it's it's
01:20:05
when they come up to you and they say, "Do you want the belt extender?"
01:20:10
M >> I've went up to them and I would say it silently as I walk in. I'm like, "Hey,
01:20:15
just the belt extender seat number this." For some strange reason, they're
01:20:20
dumb as [ __ ] cuz every time I sit down, they're like this. Steven, [laughter]
01:20:25
YOU WANT THE BELT EXTENDER. [laughter] [gasps] HONESTLY, it pisses me off, man. It piss me off. And then they come up
01:20:36
and then they give you the bell extender and then all of a sudden they want to be
01:20:39
quiet. They go, "Yeah, BUT [laughter] they come up, they're like, "Yeah, it's
01:20:44
okay. Nice." >> It's just like the bank when you go to the bank when you have no [ __ ] money and
01:20:49
you go there, go to the till and you're like, "Can I just uh withdraw out
01:20:54
>> $14?" And then they're like, "Excuse me, $14." And they go, " $14? Is that what
01:20:59
you want?" Like, "Bro, shut up. >> Keep it down, mate. [laughter] Chill."
01:21:05
Yeah. So that's the only thing is but you know I promise you do can we make a
01:21:08
deal and I would want to do it now so that way you don't have to backtrack. When I lose all my weight can I come
01:21:12
back on your show? >> Of course. >> Is that a deal? >> Yeah of course. Of course.
01:21:15
>> That's it. So when I lose give me a weight loss. Give me give me give me
01:21:19
give me 100 kgs. >> What's what's your goal weight? >> My goal is 100 kgs.
01:21:23
>> So when I go 100 kgs I'll do a video where I say Dom Harvey I've lost 100
01:21:28
kgs. I'll find this snippet inside the in your podcast. Attach it. Deal. >> Yeah. I'll be back on the show.
01:21:35
>> You'll come back and you'll be like, "These seats are so comfortable for a
01:21:38
slender man." >> I want the same seat. I'll look at that seat. I'm like, "You bastard gave me a
01:21:43
grievance the other time." >> Well, is it a good idea to be getting McDonald's on the way home?
01:21:48
>> It was a joke, but yeah, it was it was a funny joke. What what my inner thoughts
01:21:52
is like is >> work. I just work. I'm a workhorse. You see it too, bro. Have you seen I'm
01:21:58
always posting every day. Always have something new that I post about every day. I'm I'm always constantly working.
01:22:04
you. What does an average day look like? >> Work, work, work, work, work. I have a
01:22:08
cameraman that follows me everywhere I go. Yeah. Everywhere except for today. >> But after this, I have to go and meet
01:22:15
him to record. >> Yeah. So, it's just my life has become so much about working
01:22:23
that I can't stop because it's the fear of nothing cuz I've came from nothing.
01:22:29
>> So, like I could have a billion dollars. cuz I could be sitting on a billion
01:22:32
dollars, but I would still fear that it will be taken away from me the next day.
01:22:36
>> And and I guess it's that trauma of having nothing that I'm scared to go
01:22:41
back to nothing. >> So that's what pushes me to keep going every single day.
01:22:46
>> Yeah. But even though you had nothing, it feels like um like with your mom and
01:22:49
what she created for you guys, you had everything in a way. >> Yeah. Yeah. I would say that too. Yeah.
01:22:54
We had family, we had love, and um it's it's a bit weird now for my siblings to see me because I'm sort of
01:23:01
that one person that's made it, you know, that one person that's made it.
01:23:04
You know what I mean? Like out of your family, you know, you're on the big screens, you're on the bright lights of
01:23:09
your name and things like that. >> So when they watch it, they're like,
01:23:12
"That's my baby brother. That's my brother." >> But when I'm with them, as you know,
01:23:18
it's very grounding. You know, when you're back with family, you just go
01:23:20
back to like >> everything is in in the background when you're with family.
01:23:24
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Who Yeah. Was your Was your Who was the disciplinarian in your household? Did
01:23:29
your mom have to be the nurturer and the >> No, cuz So I had a It was my older
01:23:33
sister, my older brother. So when my mom wanted to discipline me, she would tell
01:23:38
my older brother, "You have to do it. [laughter] >> That's unfair."
01:23:43
>> And my older brother would walk in like my Tyson mate. As soon as my [laughter]
01:23:46
soon as my mom would tell my older brother, he'd be like this. Where? So what what
01:23:52
it was annoying. But yeah, >> what's your relationship with him like now?
01:23:56
>> He's a pastor. >> Oh, [laughter] is he? >> Has he apologized or he's apologized?
01:24:00
I'm like, [ __ ] mate, you're going to hell. But [laughter] >> yeah, now that's what's basically been.
01:24:07
It was just he did the disciplining. But >> yeah, it is what it is. What are um what
01:24:13
would you say your best and worst habits are? >> I eat a lot. >> That would be the worst habit.
01:24:22
>> My best habit is I don't give a [ __ ] about anybody. >> It's a powerful position to be in to get
01:24:29
to that point. >> Yeah. >> I I don't [ __ ] I don't know. I'm
01:24:34
probably projecting here, but I'd argue no one ever really gets to that point.
01:24:36
Like you read a a a hateful comment, it always hurts. For me, it doesn't because
01:24:42
I believe that opinions only matter from people who you love and respect. So, if I don't love you and I don't
01:24:48
respect you, your opinion will never hold weight with me. >> If you don't have my cell phone number
01:24:53
in your phone, your problem shouldn't be that big >> with me because I if an opinion from my
01:25:01
mom would hurt me more than opinion from 10,000 haters. >> So, that's how I keep track of it.
01:25:09
>> Yeah. hate comments never get to me. >> Also, um yeah, anyone that writes um a
01:25:14
hate comment online, it's it it's kind of a loser. Like you think of all like
01:25:18
the the biggest winners in New Zealand, like say like Richie Mccor or Lord or Christopher Luxon and insert any name of
01:25:27
a winner you want. They're not sitting at home writing comments on a stranger's
01:25:30
>> Yeah. >> you know, Tik Tok profile. They're just not. They're busy winning.
01:25:35
>> And if you see hate comments, then your following is not that big. I always say
01:25:39
that it's like if you know how much money you have in your bank account, then you probably don't have that much
01:25:43
money. >> So I I don't really see hate comments. Like I'm pretty sure if I went on The
01:25:49
Rock's page right now on his Instagram page and said, "You're an idiot." I
01:25:53
don't think The Rock would be going. >> Who's this guy? >> He [laughter] called me an idiot.
01:25:59
>> You know what I mean? He's worried about where do I put my a million dollars, you
01:26:02
know? So that is what it is, bro. >> Do you have any regrets? >> Nope.
01:26:07
probably eating too much but no not really >> don't have regrets man >> and I know this sounds cliche but you
01:26:13
live life with no regrets and it made you who who you are >> but I don't have any regrets
01:26:19
>> what say say you um say you you pass away and it's your funeral >> um this question I ask all my guests is
01:26:28
this like the final question is this the one oh one of yeah yeah you're one of
01:26:31
the final ones this something I like to ask all my guests cuz it's um >> can you edit this parts where I keep
01:26:36
standing up cuz I'm standing up so many times. [laughter] I'm standing up so many times. You can
01:26:42
leave it hurt, but Jesus, I'm standing so many times. Yeah. >> Um, so imagine it's your funeral and
01:26:46
your friends and family, they they have to come up with three words that describe you and describe the way you
01:26:52
lived your life. Um, the reason I like asking this question about what those three words would be is I think if you
01:26:59
if if it's sort of like reverse engineering, if you can come up with those three words and then use that as
01:27:04
sort of like your north star, >> you can live in a way where hopefully when it comes to the end, they will be
01:27:09
the three words. >> Yeah. >> What would you like the those three words to be? [snorts]
01:27:14
>> People that matter to you to say at your funeral. and he never gave up.
01:27:25
I've just never given up, bro. That's always been me. And I feel like my family and that like
01:27:33
my mom's even like they all they're all in tears when they when they started
01:27:38
seeing me make a name for myself because there was many times where a lot of people thought that I could never do it.
01:27:45
M >> but now I'm here at the Dom Harvey podcast. >> You know what I mean? So, never give up.
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He's just the guy that never gives up. >> And you proud of yourself? >> Always proud. Always proud. Always
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[ __ ] proud, man. I came a guy, six kids. So, sorry. [laughter] A serious moment. My dog's probably
01:28:10
scratcher. Scratcher. You keep your eyes off him. He's not a snack. [laughter]
01:28:15
So, six kids, solo mother. Six kids, solo mother. Came from nothing. Housing New Zealand house complex, state housing
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to getting so much hate online to now becoming one of the most, I would argue probably one of the most prominent
01:28:32
influential people in the Polynesian culture. >> And people like to disagree with that,
01:28:37
but I'm like make the numbers speak for itself. went on mandate. They've had
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many [ __ ] powerful names on mandate. Boom. Broke the record. Many powerful names on day. Boom. Break the record. So
01:28:49
whether you like it or not, hey, bro. Even uh Duncan Ghana, I broke the record. So whether people like it or not, people
01:28:59
will listen and people watch >> and they will never want to admit it, but they will. Like I said, I'm a car
01:29:06
crash. The car crash may be gruesome. The car crash may be bloody. Oh, [ __ ] you. Keep
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watching the car crash. That's Steel. [sighs] >> I think we're done.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> that's it, man. I want to thank you for
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letting me on your podcast, bro. But, uh, I'm going to finish out the classic
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way how Steph will finish it. >> How's that translated? It means goodbye in Sour.
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>> I love it.