00:00:00
Oh, good. You're here. Come on. This is the center of performance. Whenever there's a top performance in New
00:00:06
Zealand, it all comes from here. That's Lisa Carrington. She's been doing that
00:00:10
for days. That's the boys who got the hole in one in to Finn. How's the performance going?
00:00:18
>> Top tier. >> Nice. This is our generate room. In here, you'll find our top performers
00:00:22
helping Kiwis maximize their Kiwi Saver investments. Get in here, Finn. >> Maximize. Generate. putting performance
00:00:29
first. >> David Stevens, David the Medium, welcome to my podcast. >> Lovely to be here. Thank you so much for
00:00:40
having me on, >> mate. It's great to have you in New Zealand. Um, we you're flying out this,
00:00:45
just to time stamp the conversation, we're recording this in um sort of mid December. Uh you're flying out this
00:00:50
afternoon and you've been here for your very first international show over the
00:00:54
weekend. >> Yeah. So, I'm on tour at the moment, inverted commas tour. Uh, so yeah, I did
00:00:58
every Australian capital city, uh, the Gold Coast, and yeah, first international show being Oakland, New
00:01:03
Zealand. So, and I'm from Melbourne. So, >> how was the Oakland show? >> You know what? It was actually really
00:01:08
good because I've never actually been to Oakuckland before, even for a holiday or
00:01:11
anything like that. So, you never really know what the audience is like, but they
00:01:14
were so engaged and fun and yeah, the messages were great and it was yeah, really good night overall.
00:01:18
>> Who who is the audience? Who who goes to a David the Medium show? >> Yeah. Well, it's been very eclectic. So,
00:01:24
on social media, my audience is predominantly females. I think, you know, the stats like 93% female. Uh, but
00:01:30
you know, the good part is about doing a live show, they drag along their husbands and their boyfriends, so you
00:01:34
get a nice mixed audience. And >> why is it such a female heavy thing? >> It's a question I've been asking myself
00:01:40
a lot since I begun as a psychic medium. I think from a spiritual perspective, females are more intuitive and they're
00:01:47
more open to sort of seeing the the grays of life. Uh, whereas males are more predominantly black and white. we
00:01:53
live more on our ego like as a generalization of course. Uh but I I think females are more open to sort of
00:02:00
seeking you know different modalities, different sort of holistic approaches to life especially when it comes to
00:02:06
guidance and probably more open to spiritual messaging because they probably feel a lot more than males do.
00:02:10
>> Yeah. >> Now full transparency I I hadn't heard of you um and uh a mutual friend of ours
00:02:16
Jamie she messaged me a couple of days ago saying my friend David's in the country. Would you want him on your
00:02:21
podcast? And I I looked up your Instagram page. You got a couple of hundred thousand followers. I end up
00:02:25
going in a deep dive watching some um incredible videos. Um and I felt embarrassed that I I wasn't familiar
00:02:32
with who you are because you're a big deal. >> Well, you know what? Social media only
00:02:36
took off in October. So >> Oh, is that right? It's fairly recent. >> I've been really fortunate. Like I've
00:02:41
had a very loyal audience in Australia and you know they're cy curated to me in
00:02:45
terms of like uh our opinions on life and things like that. But you know I built a quite a large profile in
00:02:50
Australia during co with some of the predictions I was making. But uh when I started my tour uh back in October we
00:02:56
started posting some of the reals from that which I I don't doubt uh you were
00:03:00
able to see and you know those were sort of 45 second to you know minute 30 kind
00:03:05
of clips of the readings from the live shows >> and they just took off >> uh you know on Tik Tok and Instagram.
00:03:11
Like I think my Instagram audience has grown about 180,000 people in two months. Wow.
00:03:16
>> Like it's incredible engagement. So, I'm just, you know, so fortunate to be able
00:03:19
to connect with people in that way and the people are relating to it positively as well.
00:03:23
>> Yeah. Now, full full um disclosure here, I'm I'm I'm a skeptic.
00:03:27
>> That was my next question. I like it. No, so was I. >> Really? >> Yeah. So, my background for those that
00:03:32
don't know, I'm my background was law. I worked in uh my last inverted commas
00:03:36
proper job was criminal prosecution and I wasn't raised religious. I didn't have
00:03:41
a view of the afterlife. If anything, when I was in my early 20s, I was that stereotypical early 20s kind of guy,
00:03:47
like if I don't see it, it doesn't exist. There was that black and white
00:03:50
viewpoint that I think a lot of guys have to life. >> And for me, I started off because I I
00:03:56
just started a new job and I had a work colleague and she said to me, "Have you
00:03:59
ever been to a medium before?" And I was like, "Well, not really. Like, I don't
00:04:02
really believe in it." Like, wasn't for me to say it wasn't real or anything
00:04:06
like that, but I was an open-minded skeptic. And she says, "No, no, I know a
00:04:09
lady who's great. You should go see And I was like, "Okay, well, for I'll go see
00:04:14
what she brings up." Like, and I went in very black and white. Like, I was like,
00:04:16
"If she asks any questions, I'm giving yes or no answers. Like, she's not going
00:04:20
to know a thing about me." And within 5 minutes, she said something. Um, you
00:04:24
know, my grandfather had crossed over at that stage. And she relayed like a conversation that him and I had had
00:04:30
together. And we could sit there for 100 years, Dom, you'd never even guess it.
00:04:33
>> So, I was like, "Okay, that's interesting." And she said to me, she says, "You
00:04:38
realize you can do this?" And I was like, "Absolutely not." And she said, "I
00:04:42
thought you knew, but the more that we're talking, like we're 5 10 minutes
00:04:45
into the reading and I realized you've literally got no idea and this is your
00:04:47
first ever time." Uh, so long story short, she ran a mentoring class. And I,
00:04:52
you know, this was very casual. We were in, you know, the outer suburbs of Melbourne on a Wednesday night in her
00:04:56
lounge room around a couch. Like, it was very casual. And there was about five or
00:05:00
six of us. And I ended up going along to that thinking it would be a complete waste of time and that it wouldn't work.
00:05:05
And turns out in the right environment I could and I could do it very easily and
00:05:09
very naturally. Uh and I believe every single person can do it. Like there's
00:05:14
nothing special about me. I don't have some extra sensory ability that makes me
00:05:18
the chosen one. Uh like we've all got intuition. We've all got gut feelings.
00:05:23
Uh and irregardless of your spiritual belief or your religious belief. Uh you know we're we're all souls who have come
00:05:29
here and we were somewhere before we're here and we're going to be somewhere
00:05:33
after here. like we're just visiting. Uh and I think sometimes skepticism and
00:05:38
especially in my case, it came from a lack of experience like it came from a lack of understanding. Uh I think for a
00:05:44
lot of men in particular, it can be quite a scary thought to think that there are sort of things that are out of
00:05:49
our control. Uh and it also does come from a and you know this is again a generalization, but a lot of guys
00:05:55
sometimes also have um skepticism around spirituality because it's actually a bit
00:05:59
more feminine. And I'm not saying this is your case, of course, but sometimes
00:06:02
if they have uh relationships in their life uh or you you know I find a lot of men uh that I've read for before or even
00:06:09
some you know people that you know troll me on Instagram for example which I'm
00:06:13
used to was fine but like sometimes they had a bad relationship with their mom, sometimes they had bad relationships
00:06:19
with their sisters and you know the spirituality connects more with the feminine side. So sometimes that forces
00:06:24
the shadow to come into them. So it's just uh yeah I think it just comes down
00:06:27
to experience. So you you never saw anything or had any sort of um you know any sort of power as a kid.
00:06:34
>> Never like I looking back on it my intuition was always very strong as a
00:06:38
teenager. >> In what way? >> Like I see with the gut feeling for example I thought the gut feeling for me
00:06:45
uh it was never a suspicion. It was always like that's the answer. Uh and it
00:06:49
was only as I've grown up I realized maybe everyone doesn't have it like
00:06:51
that. But I you know my friends used to ask me for advice cuz I used to give banging advice as a 15-year-old. You
00:06:56
know what I mean? I couldn't sort out my own life to save myself. But yeah, I'd
00:06:59
give great advice. But yeah, like a lot of the more, you know, prominent uh mediums, especially the international
00:07:04
ones, they're very devoutly religious and they always reference seeing spirits
00:07:07
at the end of the bed when they were kids and talking to them throughout their life. I never had any of that. And
00:07:12
I think part of what it is is because I was pretty blocked out to it. Uh which I
00:07:15
think is probably the average human. Like we're not exposed to this. Uh, and
00:07:20
it's only the more that I, uh, you know, developed my ability that I realized in
00:07:24
hindsight that I probably was connecting in certain ways without even realizing.
00:07:28
And I think a lot of people are probably going to be like that. >> Was that quite confronting when you when
00:07:33
you realized when that medium told you that you had this gift? >> I I kind of was very curious by it
00:07:41
because I in that moment I looked at her and I was like, well, there's something
00:07:44
special about you because, you know, through the conversations that we were having. And so she saw that in me that
00:07:49
it was that real curiosity where I really wanted to explore it. Uh but you know in hindsight I think at the very
00:07:55
start of my journey I kind of looked at it more like a party trick like I maybe didn't give it the respect that it
00:08:00
deserved because you know I was this man that was studying law and counterterrorism of all things. Uh and
00:08:05
you know my career path for me was going to lead me to you know working in homeland security. I was going to be
00:08:10
like you know the Australian version of the CIA like you know be a spy overseas.
00:08:15
I wasn't going to be the guy who, you know, connected with spirits at pass on
00:08:18
messages and have that as my, you know, my journey. I just never saw that as a possibility. And I think for so many of
00:08:23
us, especially young men, uh, you know, we grow up, you know, Australia and New Zealand are basically the same country.
00:08:28
No offense, New Zealand. Um, I said at my live show, we've got the, uh, the North Island, the South Island, and now
00:08:34
the West Island. So, it's all good. We're all one country. Uh, but, you know, men in particular, we grow up uh,
00:08:39
and it's society. It comes from our parents in a lot of ways that life has to be a certain way. Uh and it's, you
00:08:45
know, most of us we work the 9 to5 and you know, you have to get a mortgage and you've got to have kids, you've got to
00:08:49
do that. >> Uh so it was confronting to suddenly be exposed to a different way of life
00:08:55
because it wasn't something I'd ever had experience with. No one in my family was
00:08:58
a medium. >> Uh you know, we all sort of had that structure and then this was completely
00:09:04
different. So >> yeah. What was your family's reaction like when you when you came out as a
00:09:07
medium? >> Well, I've come out in multiple ways throughout life. So and the good news is
00:09:11
they've been supportive at everything. But I mean, my uh my mom's like my my
00:09:16
biggest supporter. Like, she's a good sounding board for me. Uh my dad was a
00:09:20
bit like, "Wow, okay, cool." But like, roll with it. Uh and yeah, my family,
00:09:25
they come to all my live shows in Melbourne. And uh my mom's great and so is my brother. Like, I've got an older
00:09:30
brother. They'll always watch the podcasts and, you know, listen to everything that I'm doing. So, I think
00:09:35
for them, like, uh again, it's the firsthand experience. I needed uh and no one in my family had ever been to a
00:09:42
meeting before or you know down done like meditation classes or anything. So >> for them to experience it the first time
00:09:48
again it was like seeing as believing >> and they had their own experiences like
00:09:52
my brother and my mom had both been to my mentor for readings and you know sort of opened up their eyes to different
00:09:56
ways of how life is too. >> Yeah. Oh you mentioned before that you sort of um blew up or experienced some
00:10:02
success during co with some predictions. What what what were they? >> Yeah. So that was,
00:10:07
>> by the way, is Melbourne still locked down? Melbourne had like the longest
00:10:09
lockown in the world. >> Well, it may as well be, honestly. Like, no one's recovered mentally, put it that
00:10:13
way. Uh, so yeah, it was 2019. So I I I built a I was very fortunate to have built a very like cool loyal audience in
00:10:20
Melbourne. And a few of the other states knew about me through social media, but
00:10:23
the audience was rather small. And it was uh my profile in Australia kind of took off because about 6 months before
00:10:30
co begun I started talking about it on Instagram uh about how 2020 we're going
00:10:34
to see you know incredible change in the world like it was going to uh be a before and after view of life kind of
00:10:40
like September 11 was like we look at life before that and after that >> and I remember saying to everyone I was
00:10:46
like yeah once we get to March 2020 like or February March 2020 the whole world's
00:10:50
shifting. I actually thought it was going to be a world war at the start like I didn't know what was going on. Uh
00:10:54
but then when you know obviously it started making news at you know really the start of January that there was a
00:10:59
virus I was like guys get ready like this is going to be massive changes but I made all these very randomly specific
00:11:05
predictions like I talked about how um you know the king was going to get it the queen was going to get it and I said
00:11:10
at the very start Melbourne would go into six lockdowns which you can imagine a reaction to that everyone was like oh
00:11:14
great uh but yeah just it was all predictions around co and then uh you know the flow on effects from that that
00:11:20
really sort of bought it up. Yeah. So, what what do you see or feel? >> So, yeah, it's a great question. So, as
00:11:25
a medium, I see, hear, and feel. So, uh when I'm if I sit down with someone to
00:11:30
do a a one-on-one reading, uh I can see in my head. So, I say if I close my eyes, it basically it's this room in my
00:11:38
head, but people are suddenly here. Uh >> is there really? >> Yeah. If I Well, yeah, we can actually
00:11:43
read later on if you want. I never thought about it actually, but let's do it. Um and uh
00:11:47
>> is that is that Sorry, sorry to interrupt. Is that is that noisy for you? I've learned boundaries very
00:11:52
strongly. So for me, it's like a a uh a radio frequency. So if I it's like
00:11:57
tuning in the dial. So 99% of the time I'm David and 1% of the time I'm David
00:12:01
the medium. Uh so yeah, when it comes to reading uh spirit, I yeah see here and feel. When it comes to making
00:12:06
predictions on the world or sort of world events or future timelines, as weird as it sounds, it's usually when
00:12:13
I'm dreaming. >> Uh so I'll dream about it. Uh or also if I'm in the shower like it's I guess it's
00:12:18
when we go into that autopilot kind of stage which a lot of us do whether we're
00:12:22
driving we're in the shower or you're kind of sitting there watching TV on
00:12:24
your phone and then suddenly you just kind of get things. >> Uh but it was yeah a lot of the uh co
00:12:29
predictions came actually when I was dreaming. >> Uh and I don't know whether you ever
00:12:32
watched or read the Stephen King movie/book the stand. Do you know that? >> No no I don't know that one. one of his
00:12:39
best books and it's they turned it into a miniseries uh like a mini movie in the
00:12:42
1990s but essentially it's about a virus uh that escapes a a military facility in
00:12:48
the US uh and within a month it wipes out the world's population uh and they
00:12:52
were showing me the opening scenes of the stand when I was dreaming and I was like oh great so I thought the whole
00:12:56
world was about to go well it did go nuts but I thought there was going to be a lot more death than there was but
00:13:01
essentially a virus had escaped the military facility >> so this this podcast um that we're
00:13:06
recording today this will be released early in 2026. Have you have you have you got a vibe for 2026? Have you got
00:13:13
any predictions? >> Yeah, it's a great question. I've been working on that myself at the moment.
00:13:17
So, it's uh it's very succinct that you ask about it. I think I mean 2026 is
00:13:20
going to beh like I try and be positive, but I think by now people realize that the world's a
00:13:26
bit nuts that it's a very up and down sort of environment that we're in. I
00:13:31
mean, there's a lot of talk from even a lot of other psychics about, you know,
00:13:34
financial collapses. I mean, but they've been talking about that since the 1990s
00:13:37
really. Uh I just think uh my whole theory and what I say to everyone is sort of like, you know, adaption is key.
00:13:44
Like if we can't control certain circumstances, situations or world events, we can't let them control us.
00:13:49
It's just about how we adapt to it emotionally uh and even spiritually like how we react. But I I'm very interested
00:13:55
to see what will happen over the Christmas period in the US. says a lot of sort of uh a lot of my predictions
00:14:00
actually have formed from the United States because uh from a spiritual perspective the US is ground zero. So
00:14:06
it's uh we call it the spiritual empire. Uh so anything that happens in the US uh
00:14:11
inevitably reverberates around the world and we see that already whether it's
00:14:14
politically, economically. >> Uh so I think there'll be yeah very interesting events maybe around
00:14:20
Christmas time in the US whether that's terrorism or just conflict or yeah there's just sort of a bit of a
00:14:24
heaviness around there. uh that will lead into 2026. But I think I mean it's
00:14:28
pretty much the same as 2025 in a lot of ways. Like we're still dealing with the
00:14:32
same issues whether it's conflict or uh you know Australia and New Zealand as
00:14:36
well as the rest of the world aren't having necessarily the best economic circumstances and situations at the
00:14:41
moment. Uh so in a lot of ways it's a continuation of 2025. Uh time frames you
00:14:46
know as we look at it like there's no difference between December 31 and January 1. like, you know, even though
00:14:51
it's a new year, nothing necessarily changes in that sense. But, uh, I'm
00:14:55
going to feel a bit bad because I'm really going to dive into it over the next few weeks to get my predictions for
00:15:00
2026 sorted out. But, I say always expect the unexpected, which I think we've all become pretty accustomed to
00:15:05
over the last sort of five or six years in particular. >> Yeah. Cuz you got a fair bit of
00:15:09
attention for predicting that Trump was going to win the previous election, right?
00:15:13
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. How far out did you call that? Well, the funny thing is with Donald
00:15:17
Trump, I called his first win in February 206 against Hilly Clinton. I was like, there's no way that she will
00:15:24
win that. Uh, and then I also said that he won in 2020. Uh, it depends how controversial you want to get, but I
00:15:31
don't believe he actually lost in 2020, but that's another podcast altogether.
00:15:34
>> Well, he agrees with you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, some uh voting data
00:15:38
also agrees, but they just didn't look at it. Everyone's like, Dom's canled now. the
00:15:44
podcast off and then but with uh 2024 I made the prediction at the end of 2023 and this is on some other uh podcasts
00:15:51
online that I've said that I said Joe Biden will drop out. I said uh there will be two assassination attempts
00:15:57
against Donald Trump. I even went on Sky News Australia and said that which is pretty big for them to have me on
00:16:01
actually. Uh and I said there'll be two assassination attempts but he'll go on
00:16:05
to win the election. Uh and then lo and behold that's what happened. So >> yeah that is scaringly accurate. It's
00:16:12
and it's a little bit random to say when you think about it. Yeah. So, >> yeah. What gives you the courage to to
00:16:18
say these things? >> Well, it's it's I >> mean I suppose what I mean is like
00:16:23
there's there's a huge potential for you to look like an idiot. >> Yeah. Well, that's the thing. I mean, I
00:16:27
went very all in on 2020 saying that he would win. Uh and then obviously, you know, the situation was maybe a little
00:16:33
bit different energetically in the physical world. But I just have the faith in what I sense and feel. Like
00:16:39
I've done this for 15 years. Oh, no. I've been in, you know, been able to
00:16:42
connect for 15 years. I've been, you know, inverted commas full-time for 8 years. Uh, but for me is, you know, as
00:16:48
weird as it sounds, it's just energy. And I look at it and I was like, "No,
00:16:52
this is it. This is how it is." And, uh, it's kind of like, you know, to put it
00:16:57
an analogy. If you've got to make two decisions, uh, and they're both very
00:17:02
different decisions for you, Dom, you instinctively know which one that you feel will be right. Maybe sometimes you
00:17:07
can't explain it. You don't know why you're thinking about it like that way,
00:17:10
but you just know that instinctively that's a decision I have to make. >> When it comes to predictions for me,
00:17:15
sometimes you see a lot of different sort of timelines or a lot of different possibilities. Like if I was to ask
00:17:19
myself, okay, who's going to win, Donald Trump or Joe Biden? Way instantly instinctively said, well, Donald Trump's
00:17:25
going to win. Uh, and then obviously I build on it and I meditate on it and I dream on it. I was like, well, Joe
00:17:29
Biden's not even there. So I was like, well, he's dropping out. Uh, I had a
00:17:33
dream that Donald Trump got shot in the head and he hit him on the ear. Yeah. And the funny thing was I actually
00:17:39
watched that live. >> I was in Cambodia watching it on X uh cuz I I was lying in bed jetlagged at
00:17:45
4:00 a.m. in the morning. They're like, "Oh, Donald Trump's doing a rally on and
00:17:47
I was like, "Oh, yeah, I'll watch it." But I didn't hear the gunshots. I didn't
00:17:49
know what had happened. Uh and then when I was on Sky News Australia at the start
00:17:53
of August, uh the host uh we we were talking about the assassination attempt because that was only about 2 weeks
00:17:58
beforehand. And I'd already said that there had been two and the energy around
00:18:03
it, you know, I use the word energy very broadly. Uh but it was always around the
00:18:07
nine, number nines, uh with him maybe being shot at again or having something happen. So for me that was September
00:18:12
been the ninth month. >> Uh and you know this is available for people to watch cuz it was you know
00:18:17
online with Sky News and the host was like and you know is he out of the woods? So I was like, "No, there's going
00:18:22
to be another one probably in the next few weeks." And she's like, "Really?"
00:18:25
And I like, "Yeah, like he's in the red zone for the next sort of seven, eight
00:18:28
weeks, taking us up to midepptember." And then obviously there was the pardon
00:18:30
me, obviously there was the, you know, the government in the golf course. But >> yeah,
00:18:34
>> yeah, for me there was just never any doubt that he would win that election,
00:18:37
though. >> It was quite out there the um Sky News having you on. >> I was I thought it was great. I mean,
00:18:43
yeah, I was the very first uh psychic medium to ever go on Sky News Australia, which is, you know, as you're aware,
00:18:48
it's a predominantly quite a conservative news channel. So uh my whole thing is I want to I don't want to
00:18:53
do what anyone else has done. I like sort of pushing the boundaries and my motto is like I want to bring
00:18:58
spirituality mediumship into the mainstream. I want everyone to understand it's not supernatural. It's
00:19:02
actually just supernatural >> and not everyone has to be a medium. Not everyone even has to believe. But uh if
00:19:08
it can help you see life in a different way or if there's little uh tools and
00:19:12
tricks and uh abilities that you can take from it to improve your own life, great. Uh, so yeah, I'm here to sort of
00:19:19
show people that it's not necessarily all velvet and crystal balls and black
00:19:24
hats running around everywhere. They're sort of like we're all souls having a
00:19:26
human experience and we can all do it. >> Sorry to interrupt. JJ wanted me to
00:19:31
interrupt because Kanye's lived out here. >> Oh, >> and Kanye Oh, is he? Oh, bring him in.
00:19:37
>> She's a little dog. >> He's so sweet. I love Oh, I can't
00:19:41
believe we started without him. the he was at the door in the other studio and then JJ went, "Oh, Kanye's not in."
00:19:47
Bubba, >> I'm sorry. He was miss He was so >> deang with me. >> Okay, so the drilling in here. Paul has
00:19:57
just arrived in the garage and he's going to be shaving down those wood. >> Oh yeah. Honestly, we can you can sort
00:20:02
of hear it, but it's not. It won't be picked up on the mics. Sweet. >> We blocked out today to do have no
00:20:07
clients because of all this. >> I know. Thank you for feeding me. I know. Yeah. I mean, like, we just had to
00:20:12
have you. >> Yeah. I'm honored. >> Yeah. So, apologies if he's if if he's
00:20:16
too noisy in the garage. Move him out to the street. Just >> No, I don't think we'll even hear it to
00:20:21
be fair. Like the the drill. Yeah, the drilling's not bad at all. >> Okay. Just see how you go.
00:20:24
>> It's all good. >> Like, you don't want to miss anything real good, you know, like like a
00:20:29
compelling moment or something where you're crying or you're crying or whatever. Like, if that happens,
00:20:35
>> challenge accepted, Tom. Here we go. Yeah. >> Hello. >> Sorry about that. All good. It's
00:20:40
>> all right. >> Okay. And cutting my mic. >> Um, how do you cope with um the crit the
00:20:45
criticism and trolls? >> Well, I mean that's life, isn't it? That's the thing. I mean, you know, if
00:20:49
any of us put ourselves into a public arena regardless of what we do like you do open yourself up to a different
00:20:55
viewpoint and I can appreciate everyone sees life differently. I say we all live
00:20:59
in the same world, but we all have a different reality of it. >> Uh, for me, like I said, they don't know
00:21:04
me personally. I don't know them personally. I don't take it personally if I don't know you personally. Uh
00:21:08
people can have their opinions. They're more than welcome to it. Uh I have my
00:21:12
opinions on things. I'm very opinionated on certain things. Uh and I can appreciate that people are very
00:21:18
opinionated about what I do. Uh but that's it. I don't lose sleep over it.
00:21:23
Like that's it. >> Do you do you try and um convert uh skeptics into believers or
00:21:27
>> Well, I did at the start because I was like, "Oh, you know, everyone has to say
00:21:30
a certain way." And I'm like, "I'm not here to convert people." Like I said,
00:21:33
everyone can believe what they can believe and it's everyone's own experience. Uh but I say to everyone if
00:21:38
you have an interaction with me and I'm telling you things or showing you things
00:21:42
or even making predictions about things then make up your own mind from that. Uh
00:21:46
you don't have to believe in what I do. Just maybe listen to what I say. >> Uh but it's not it's not for everyone.
00:21:51
Not everyone is meant to have a ready. Not everyone is meant to uh you know look at life a different way like maybe
00:21:58
that's not part of their lesson this time around. M. >> So when did you make the full pivot from
00:22:03
law and counterterrorism? >> Yeah. >> It's the most unusual career I've ever
00:22:10
studied law and counterterrorism and talking to the deceased on the weekends like and I had a security clearance as
00:22:14
well. Like thank god they didn't find out about it. It would have been denied
00:22:17
like um so I yeah but that was the thing. I was still working in corporate for about five six years even though I
00:22:24
knew that this was a part of me as well. >> So this was like a side hustle.
00:22:27
>> It was. It really was because I never saw it as a full-time thing. Like, you
00:22:31
know, as we were sort of saying before, I had to have the full-time job. I had to build a career and make something of
00:22:36
myself that way. Like to leave corporate and leave that structure and suddenly communicate with the deceased for people
00:22:42
in my loun room. Like it didn't seem like an interesting or it was definitely
00:22:47
interesting, but it didn't seem like a a suitable or a um fulfilling change. So,
00:22:52
yeah, I was working corporate for 5 6 years. It got to the end of 2016. I was in an incredibly toxic job uh working
00:22:59
for the federal government in Australia. Shout out to them. And yeah, I suddenly
00:23:05
basically quit my job on the spot and I was suddenly unemployed and still studying and nearly 30 and I just moved
00:23:12
uh to a new location in Melbourne. I was like, what on earth am I doing with my life? And I suddenly had clients message
00:23:18
me cuz I was reading about one or two a week, you know, maybe on the evenings or
00:23:21
the weekends. and they started messaging me and they're like, "Are are you ever
00:23:25
free during the day?" And I was like, "Oh, well, I am actually." And I didn't
00:23:31
give it the respect it deserved. I can openly admit that. Uh like I was still I was respectful of the craft and what I
00:23:38
was able to do and the the healing benefits that that gave people, but I never saw it as something that was going
00:23:42
to be me full-time. Like I was always David, not David the medium. >> And it just really kind of grew from
00:23:48
there. Like it was all word of mouth at the start. the more that I read people, the more that other people wanted to
00:23:52
book in. Uh, and it got to the stage that I really had to change how my brain thought about it and how I shaped it in
00:24:00
my life because even though mediumship was getting busy, I actually was still looking for a part-time job because I
00:24:05
still felt that I needed that structure and I needed that security. Uh, and to be able to branch off into being your
00:24:11
own boss and, you know, creating your own business, it was something that was very foreign to me and something that I
00:24:16
didn't understand how to really do. Uh but I was very fortunate that it just
00:24:20
grew naturally and I think sometimes the biggest mistake that a lot of people can
00:24:24
make is that we try and put uh you know caveats and pivots on how it should be. Uh and I think it's great to be able to
00:24:31
think about how you want your life to be especially when it comes to business or
00:24:34
when it comes to careers. that if we become too rigid in it or if we put too much, you know, dot points on it, it it
00:24:42
doesn't flow how it should. And I was just allowing it to flow how it should
00:24:46
because I didn't know how it should be to begin with. >> Can you remember the very first reading
00:24:50
that you >> Yeah. So that was actually in the mentoring class actually and I made the
00:24:54
mental mental cry which was uh bit of a good >> Yeah. I was like, "Oh, here we go." You
00:25:01
know, the ego came out. I'm like, "Fuck yeah." Like, so yeah, we got up and I
00:25:05
got up in front of the class and she was she was a great mentor. She said, you know, whatever you see, whatever you
00:25:10
feel, whatever you hear, just pass it along. And as I mentioned before, there was like five or six people in the room.
00:25:13
I had no idea who any of them were. A few of them were a little bit weird, if I'm honest. Um, and you I'm a short guy.
00:25:19
I'm 5'8. You know, I was in my mid20s at this stage. And I remember standing up
00:25:24
in front of the room and I'm like, "Ah, here we go." Like, okay, I welcome you
00:25:27
guys in. If you want to talk, if you want to say anything, if you want me to feel anything, just go ahead. And I had
00:25:32
my eyes closed. And I remember feeling like that if I was to open my eyes I'd
00:25:35
be towering over the room like I felt like a really tall man and suddenly I got a really sharp pain in my chest and
00:25:43
that goes into the feeling. So uh however spirit crosses over whatever they feel whatever ailments illnesses I
00:25:48
will feel on my body about about 1/100th of how they felt it. So, I got a really
00:25:53
sharp pain in my chest and my legs were tingling and I was like, "Oh, what's
00:25:56
going on?" And long story short, it ended up being uh the ex partner uh of the mentor and she's like, "He never
00:26:03
comes forward in readings." And that was my very first spirit that I ever connected with who was a tall man uh who
00:26:08
died at 39 from a heart attack. >> Wow. >> And I was like, "Interesting." I was
00:26:14
like, "It does work." And then obviously from that moment, I wasn't I was never
00:26:17
scared. uh and I was never intimidated by it but I was very curious by it because again it opened up my whole
00:26:24
world to it as the skeptic because I never had experience with it so I wanted to explore it and I yeah went to
00:26:30
mentoring every week uh and then I started reading friends like I think it's good for anyone who's looking at
00:26:36
opening up uh to do it around people that you feel comfortable with because it was friends that I knew and I knew a
00:26:42
lot about them but I didn't know necessarily their family or their life stories or sometimes what was going on
00:26:46
in their head. Uh so it was good to be able to read for them at the very start and open up and then suddenly it
00:26:50
branched off into clients and then >> and and you're booked out now. E you're
00:26:56
in such demand. >> Yeah, I'm very fortunate. Uh so I at the moment I only sort of released
00:27:01
appointments for the week ahead just so I can structure life a bit more easier for everyone. But there was one stage I
00:27:05
was booked out about yeah two years ahead. Wow. I start off and but that's no way to plan life like you just can't
00:27:10
do anything. But yeah, I've been very fortunate that that demand is always there. And because of my background,
00:27:15
because of how I looked at life, uh I aim for specivity in my readings. Uh so, you know, I don't want to be like, oh,
00:27:22
there's a woman in spirit who says that she loves you. Like by the time you get
00:27:24
to our age, that's usually the case like you'd hope. Uh so I think that's what uh
00:27:29
maybe uh you know invites the curiosity for a lot of people because I do aim for
00:27:35
specivity. So they are going to see someone. You can sometimes get a bit more deep than some other mediums can.
00:27:41
>> Is is there any information that you hold back? >> I decided very early on it wasn't for me
00:27:46
to have a filter. Like if I feel it uh there's a reason why I'm being told or
00:27:50
why I feel it. So it's uh not for me to not pass it on. Uh it's always about
00:27:55
being diplomatic of course. And you know as a medium I am also a grief counselor.
00:27:59
I'm a relationships counselor. I'm a careers counselor. Trauma counselor.
00:28:03
like uh it's you know very crucially important uh that I learned early on to
00:28:08
be able to hold space for people uh and to allow them to feel safe and allow them to feel supported whilst in that
00:28:14
moment because I can meet someone for the first time and then within 5 minutes I'm talking about their worst trauma
00:28:18
that they went through last year. Uh so from a filter perspective it's about
00:28:23
being diplomatic. Uh but yeah I never cut anything out >> cuz we do deal with some heavy topics.
00:28:30
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How many how many readings can you do in a day? It must
00:28:34
must be draining, right? >> Yeah. Well, when I was sort of really in the the depths of it, I do about five a
00:28:39
day. So, about 25 a week cuz I still worked Monday to Friday cuz I thought that's do the 9 to 5 kind of job. You
00:28:45
know, you can work weekends as well, but I didn't. Uh but now I I know my limit
00:28:50
is about sort of three at the moment, three a day and they go for 45 minutes. So, you know, a busy day for me is not
00:28:56
really your average busy day for most people, but uh it it can be very energetically draining, but I've also
00:29:01
become good at selfcare and I I know my limit. >> Uh you know, doing the live shows is a
00:29:06
bit different because obviously we've got audiences anywhere from, you know,
00:29:08
200 to a,000 people. >> Uh so, it's probably why you might be able to hear it in my voice uh at the
00:29:14
moment from the show that I did on Saturday night, but it sometimes can be a little bit energetically heavy.
00:29:20
>> Uh >> yeah. What is what does a a live show for David the Medium look like? Do you
00:29:24
have like a structure? >> Yeah. Well, it's it's fascinating because, you know, not like any live
00:29:29
show, I'm not learning any script. I don't have any props. I don't have stage
00:29:33
placements. I I I did my very first ever live show in Melbourne in March uh of last year uh being 2024. And I honestly
00:29:42
wasn't sure how it was going to go. Like I'd seen other mediums. I'd been to as a
00:29:46
guest to other live shows, so I know that it was definitely possible, but I didn't know whether I was going to get
00:29:50
up on stage and have 20 people yell at me all at once from spirit. But what I do is I I get up in front of the crowd
00:29:58
uh and I channel something that's so specific and so random that only one person in the audience will connect with
00:30:03
it. Uh and then we just go on from there and move through. And uh a it's very uh
00:30:08
a typical live show part of me will connect with about yeah 20 people maybe all up in different groups of people and
00:30:15
uh just pass on. But spirit's very respectful. They take it one by one cuz I didn't know whether I was going to end
00:30:19
up in a fetal position on the stage having everyone yell at me like I said but uh they're great. They take it one
00:30:24
by one and uh it's it's there's no priority either. Like I always say with
00:30:29
spirit and also with myself, we don't prioritize grief. like everyone's grief
00:30:32
is all the same just because sometimes some stories are a bit more like you know sometimes you hear how some certain
00:30:38
people cross over or certain life experiences that people have and it's like w uh but spirit doesn't prioritize
00:30:43
it either like everyone feels the same like we all you know it's very unique we
00:30:47
all go through >> you know different stages but if I'm standing up in front of a crowd looking
00:30:52
at 500 it always feels like there's probably about 2,000 people behind me as
00:30:55
well >> what's what's the difference between a a great show and um and a [ __ ] show have
00:31:01
you had a [ __ ] show. >> Well, I've touched wood. I've loved all my shows so far. So, I mean, this to um
00:31:06
you know, the Oakland show was show 10 of 11. I've got my final show in uh Melbourne in uh mid December. So, by the
00:31:12
time this airs, uh hopefully that was a good show. Uh but yeah, I mean, I I've done I think
00:31:20
as of today, I think about 16 live shows in total. I've loved them all. They're
00:31:25
all very unique. Every city has its own uniquenesses as well. Like, no one crowd
00:31:29
is ever the same. Uh the stories that come through are very unique in every city. Uh but I'm so fortunate that I
00:31:36
actually just love being able to do it. >> Uh and >> is there a huge amount of pressure to
00:31:40
have like an oh well moment from each show >> or even a pressure that you force on,
00:31:45
you know, put on yourself? >> Yeah, I mean not for me. Like I it's funny that you mentioned that because
00:31:50
some of the shows like Oakland for example didn't have that one thing where everyone went wow. But there was moments
00:31:56
that came up in people's lives. But I mean there's certain shows where even
00:32:00
I'm like oh wow like uh you know we predicted or not predicted but a a brother in spirit spoiled the pregnancy
00:32:08
for his brother earthside in front of everyone he's I'll give a bit of context
00:32:13
but the uh I connect with uh there was two parents in the crowd and I connected with their son in spirit and they had
00:32:18
their son earthside who had just met this girl and they were forming a relationship and the brother in spirit
00:32:22
was like she's pregnant and I passed it on and the parents were like nobody knows that she told us last night.
00:32:29
>> Oh, I saw that clip. That's amazing. The mustard one. >> Yeah, the mustard one. Djon. Yeah. I've
00:32:33
never met a person in my life called Djon. So, that was interesting. >> Uh but then sometimes, unfortunately,
00:32:37
the way in which people cross over can be very unique. Uh like I mean in Darwin we had someone who passed in a
00:32:43
helicopter crash. In Gold Coast, I've had people that pass in plane crashes.
00:32:47
Uh I've connected with spirits that have passed in the barley bombings. >> Uh in Adelaide, we had a a poor
00:32:52
gentleman that was uh killed uh by in a police shooting. uh like those are stories you wouldn't
00:32:59
necessarily hear every day. So to have them come up in a live show, I mean those kind of are a bit of the oh wow
00:33:03
moments. >> Uh but it's also fascinating as well at the same time. And I think it's a great
00:33:09
uh sort of experience for the crowd members cuz I can appreciate sometimes some of the crowd members have never
00:33:13
been to a live show. Maybe they've never seen a medium before. Uh so stories like
00:33:17
that come up, it really can help shift people's perspectives and understandings.
00:33:21
What did the old David um the the lawyer counterterrorism guy what what did he think um happened when you died?
00:33:28
>> I it's a great question because yeah I wasn't raised religious. I always
00:33:33
believed that we went somewhere. I didn't know what that was. I you know in hindsight I don't know whether I
00:33:40
believed in heaven. Uh I now I don't really either to be very fair. I think that when we cross over now we go to
00:33:45
what I call the waiting room but I also believe that's not the final spot. Uh
00:33:49
but I was never atheist. I always thought I always called myself an agnostic. So I believed that there was
00:33:54
more to life than this. And I think you know especially for maybe some of the guys listening, you might not
00:33:58
necessarily be open to mediumship or spirituality, but you have to believe there's more than this.
00:34:03
>> Like if this is it, then what's the point? Uh so yeah, and I always believed that
00:34:08
even though maybe that we went somewhere, I didn't really ever think that spirit would still talk back with
00:34:14
us or would still watch over. I believe that even with my own loved ones that when they crossed over, they probably
00:34:18
just went somewhere else and would maybe catch up again later on. But I didn't
00:34:22
believe that they would still be able to watch over and guide us and still be a part of our lives on earth.
00:34:27
>> But what's what's the point of these spirits? >> Well, life is classroom for the soul.
00:34:32
So, >> can you repeat that? What life is? >> Yeah. The biggest question we all have
00:34:35
in life is what is the meaning of life or what's the point of all of this? And
00:34:38
for me, my understanding is that life is classroom for our souls. uh we have to come to this you know this plane this
00:34:46
realm matrix earth whatever you want to call it uh because the soul needs to experience and grow and heal and evolve
00:34:52
and gain new understandings and just like in school how we went to school and we did maths science and uh history the
00:34:58
soul's coming to earth this time because it needs to learn about relationships or
00:35:02
about self-growth or about different perspectives uh and depending on how deep you want to
00:35:08
get into it but essentially we sign a contract uh before we're even conceived
00:35:12
into It's not even born. It's when we're conceived. Uh, and it essentially states
00:35:17
that it's like a computer game or a TV show or a movie. It's got a a beginning,
00:35:21
an end, and a character plot line in between. And it says, "This is what you're going to do. These are the
00:35:25
lessons you're going to learn." Uh, and the soul is born into that life. Now,
00:35:30
the human side of us obviously is here for the first time. Like, we don't know
00:35:33
what we're doing next week. Even as a psychic, I can't tell you what I'm doing
00:35:35
next week. Uh so we are here for the experience and that's how the soul learns through us because we're all the
00:35:41
same. Essentially we're all one in uh each other and eventually uh the soul does everything
00:35:48
it's had to learn. Sometimes it fails the lessons and it has to come back and
00:35:53
do it again. But eventually we get to the end and it's game over. uh or you know the season finale or the series
00:35:59
finale of the TV show or the movie comes out its final scene >> and that final scene for us is crossing
00:36:04
over again. >> Are any spirits [ __ ] >> Well, when they come forth they come
00:36:11
forward as as they were as the human. Um so they're not [ __ ] by foundational
00:36:17
nature. But you know D have you ever met someone you don't really [ __ ] like?
00:36:20
Like >> most days >> it's like by 9:00 a.m. I met two. Uh so the soul itself is not an [ __ ] The
00:36:29
human experience makes us [ __ ] Uh and sometimes the soul needed to be an [ __ ] on earth to learn certain
00:36:35
lessons and certain character traits or certain you know evolutions. Uh but jealousy, anger, negativity, they're not
00:36:42
soul emotions. They're human emotions because that actually what helps us learn things or see things differently.
00:36:47
Uh you know without sounding woo woo, the soul itself is just, you know, it's
00:36:51
peaceful. It's loving. It's connected. uh the way that I want everyone to look
00:36:54
at this whole journey because we're not separate. Uh uh imagine a huge bucket of
00:36:59
water uh and there's a little hole in the bottom of the bucket and each drip that
00:37:04
comes out of that bucket is a soul coming to earth. Uh now eventually that that water evaporates and it goes back
00:37:11
into the bucket. If it goes back into the bucket are you able to find that one drop of water again? No. It's gone back
00:37:16
to oneness. So, we're all the same and we all come as little drips to earth,
00:37:21
but we're all connected at the same, if that makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:25
>> Is there a reading that stands out as the most mind-blowing reading you've
00:37:29
ever done? Like something that really really impacted you? >> The Well, yeah, impacting is a good
00:37:33
word. The funny thing is like I actually don't remember my readings because they
00:37:36
don't come from me. I don't actually remember them afterwards anyway. But you
00:37:39
know that being said, there are some certain circumstances in, you know, some very unique way in which people cross
00:37:45
over or sometimes their life is very different where it does stand out for me. And um unfortunately um the two that
00:37:51
really stand out the most for me over the last uh 15 years were actually two younger people that crossed over. Uh one
00:37:58
was a girl called Lily Das. Uh and her mom is actually a medium as well in Melbourne. Uh and she always stands out
00:38:04
for me cuz she was a young girl who died at uh well crossed over. I hate using the word death. uh crossed over at 8
00:38:09
years old from a brain tumor and she was just the most incredible spirit. There are some people that I've also met earth
00:38:16
side but also spirits where I don't know how they ever managed to get to earth
00:38:19
because they just so evolved and they don't feel human. And I remember Lily um
00:38:25
she came into the reading on the back of a lion. She was like she grabbed onto the lion's mate and she came galloping
00:38:30
in like she was on a and I was like I've never seen that before in my life. Uh
00:38:35
and she was just the most incredible spirit. She really was and you know her her family, you know, like all parents
00:38:40
understand that she was something special. But >> yeah, she was just she's always stuck
00:38:44
out to me and I reference her quite often. >> Uh and just way that she was relating to
00:38:48
her family, the messages that she was passed on, the signs that she was still giving them, like even her mom developed
00:38:53
her mediumship ability after her daughter had crossed over. So it wasn't something that um Simone even knew that
00:38:59
she was really able to do. Uh and then the other one was actually uh there's an
00:39:04
American Australian actress called Jane Badler and her son was uh named Harry uh
00:39:08
and he uh crossed over from an accidental overdose in Los Angeles and again he was just alien. He was the most
00:39:15
incredible spirit and he was the only spirit thus far that has actually come into my dreams. Uh so even after I read
00:39:21
for his mother um there was three nights after the reading where I actually had Harry in my dreams talking to me and
00:39:26
showing me his life. Uh, and Harry in uh, his in my dreams, part of me, actually introduced me to his boyfriend,
00:39:34
and his boyfriend was Earthside. And so I met his boyfriend in my dreams. And they end up reading for his
00:39:39
boyfriend. And I'm like, I've actually met you before. Like Harry, again, I
00:39:42
don't know how spirit does it, but he was again not human. Uh, so they've
00:39:46
always stuck out with me. But then there's unfortunately sometimes the darker side of uh, the mediumship. Uh,
00:39:52
people that have been crossed over in terrorist attacks always stand out for me given my background. Mhm.
00:39:57
>> Uh like I read for people that uh were involved with 9/11 or the Bali bombings
00:40:02
uh and then unfortunately with uh murders uh when a soul or when a human gets murdered uh they actually take me
00:40:11
into the final probably one to two minutes of their life. So you can imagine how heavy that can be. But it's
00:40:18
like I'm seeing it from their perspective. So every time I close my eyes I'm looking at it through their
00:40:21
eyes. Uh so you know as you can appreciate sometimes it's very quick sometimes they can be
00:40:28
living a normal life and then suddenly the event actually happens but sometimes you can step into it while the event's
00:40:33
also occurring. >> Uh so that was that's incredibly difficult and that's where for me it's
00:40:38
all about selfcare because I have to process it. Uh but then unfortunately at the same time people our age and even
00:40:44
the younger generation we are very desensitized to violence. >> Uh so sometimes it's just kind of like
00:40:49
watching a movie. So, victims of murder, what do they experience at the end? Is it is it fear? Is it terror? Is it is it
00:40:57
an um unexplainable calm? >> Yeah. Well, it's it's actually all of
00:41:01
it. It really is. It really depends on the circumstance and the situations. One of the most beautiful readings thus far
00:41:06
from the live shows uh was actually in Perth uh and was a final reading of my Perth show. And this is available for
00:41:12
people to watch on YouTube. And I've actually also created a real about it. It might be on uh Instagram and Tik Tok
00:41:17
actually, David the Medium. Um, but it was a a lady whose daughter was in the crowd and uh she died in domestic
00:41:26
violence. So, her partner was attacking her and she came through. Oh, I'm getting goose. I was talking about it
00:41:33
with the most resolve. Uh, and she even mentioned it to her daughter. She says, "I know I'm going to go out here." But
00:41:38
she goes, "I'm going to go out fighting." Uh, and all her memories was
00:41:42
was her children cuz the lady in the crowd that I was reading for was only a year old when her mother was killed. Uh,
00:41:48
and her mom was saying, she goes, "I just had you in my head." And she says,
00:41:52
"I know I'm about to get killed, but I'm going to go out with a fight." And so,
00:41:55
you know, that's that real strength and that resolve. And I think that's just an
00:41:58
incredible show of display from how special this woman must have been Earth Side.
00:42:03
>> But then there's other circumstances where, of course, there is the fear. Uh,
00:42:06
and there is that sort of doubt. It's very rare that people know that they're
00:42:11
about to cross over, if that makes sense. >> Yeah. Uh cuz even when they have um
00:42:15
unfortunately ended up in circumstances like that, they're not the soul's not
00:42:18
necessarily or the human part, pardon me, is not necessarily aware it's about
00:42:21
to happen. Um but then there's been some uh you know events that of course people
00:42:27
to cross over that have been so unique. Like there was one man that I read for well I read for his family, but he was
00:42:32
in the uh the uh Bosnian war in the 1990s and uh for memory I think he was Serbian trying to escape the military or
00:42:39
something like that. Uh, and he knew they were about to catch him and he had a grenade on him and he put the grenade
00:42:44
on in his armpit and pulled the pin and blew himself up. And that and that was a
00:42:47
weird feeling because I suddenly felt like there was pits of me all over the room. So this is the thing I I I want to
00:42:53
give it the respect, but I also feel like in some ways I've become desensitized to it cuz I can talk about
00:42:57
it very easily. But these are people's stories. This is their journey. They want it to be told. Uh so even with the
00:43:03
murders uh you know that's they still hold it not like a badge of honor of course but it is their story and they
00:43:09
want people to know uh that even though there is that fear and there is that you
00:43:13
know that element of unsurity but there is also that resolve that strength uh that even in those moments that no one
00:43:21
can take away who they are like you might be able to end their life but you don't end their soul which is important
00:43:27
for everyone to know. Is is there a common message that people want to pass on to their loved ones?
00:43:33
>> It's the most common one is that life continues and you know as I you know as
00:43:38
I corrected myself before I don't like using the word death uh because death
00:43:42
creates such a finality and the word itself is very harsh and very blunt um to say that someone's dead or to say
00:43:48
that someone's dying. >> Uh the one thing that I've learned by being a psychic medium is that life
00:43:54
continues. uh the human may expire but the soul continues to live on and I explain that in a very scientific
00:44:02
perspective like science understands that uh because science understands that every living force has an energy field
00:44:09
and we also understand in science that once energy is created energy can't cease to exist it actually just changes
00:44:15
forms so if from a scientific perspective we're we're living forces and even science knows that we admit an
00:44:23
energy field around us uh you can measure it. If I put my hand on the table and lift it up under certain
00:44:28
lighting conditions, you can still see the imprint of my hand. I've left my energy behind. So if the physical body
00:44:33
expires and whether it's cremated or buried, you know, it changes form over time. It
00:44:40
breaks down. If it's cremated, it's obviously changing form in that sense.
00:44:45
But our thoughts, our behaviors, our memories, they're all in our head. And those are living thoughts and living
00:44:52
sparks from a scientific perspective. So what happens to them? >> So are we going to go against science
00:44:59
and now say that those don't exist anymore? Uh they again change form. The soul becomes the energy. Uh you know
00:45:07
from a physical perspective you and I are built exactly the same. You know we've got a heart two lungs like
00:45:12
everything but we're very different people. What makes us different? Uh even
00:45:15
from birth we're very different and that's our soul. That's the energy of
00:45:18
who we are with that little drip that comes out of the bucket. So with everyone, we believe in Wi-Fi signals.
00:45:25
You believe in radio waves. You believe in mobile phone signals. Why would spiritual signal be any different?
00:45:31
>> You know, the the physical body's expired. The energy that's in us goes
00:45:35
out into the ether. We can connect with it. We've got an antenna in our heads. We all do.
00:45:43
>> What's your experience with this? I I don't know. >> I'm turning the mic around.
00:45:47
>> I don't know. Yeah, I'm um I'm I'm a skeptic. Uh just cuz there there's
00:45:51
there's there's nothing I've experienced um that would make me believe it. But um
00:45:55
in saying that, you know, I'm I I'd still jump at the chance to have you on
00:46:00
my podcast because just cuz I don't believe in it. I know that other people do. And I'm al also curious to know more
00:46:04
about things that I don't understand. >> So that's it. It's the same as me as a
00:46:08
skeptic, the curious skeptic. Yeah. >> Do you um No doubt you've you you
00:46:12
mentioned the guy with the grenade in his armpit before. um in um cases of um suicide where people have chosen to end
00:46:20
their own life, like what what is the general message they have? Is is it like regret or remorse or are they at peace?
00:46:26
>> Yeah, they're definitely at peace because that's one of the main things
00:46:29
they want their family to know. Uh what it is, it's it's not necessarily regret
00:46:33
because the soul knew that that's how the journey would end before the soul was conceived. Uh the human side of us
00:46:38
obviously regrets passing on, you know, um the trauma and the the sadness to our
00:46:43
families. The one thing that the soul always says in circumstances of suicide is that it understands that the pain
00:46:50
didn't end. It actually just got transferred. >> And unfortunately for all of us, I I
00:46:54
don't know about your experience, but you know, if I think by the time you get
00:46:58
to our age, we're all sort of affected by suicide in some way, whether it's
00:47:01
family or friends or things like that. And that's it. Uh their journey may have
00:47:05
concluded, but the pain that they felt or the pain that they feel continues to live in us cuz we miss them. We love
00:47:10
them. Uh but the soul always and it's very common within uh those that unal alive themselves
00:47:17
uh to realize >> what what do you call it? >> Well, unalive that's a Tik Tok term.
00:47:22
>> I know. I didn't know what it meant at the start now. Now I actually hate
00:47:25
myself for using that cuz it sounds so weird. >> Um I think that's how they got around
00:47:29
sensors on Tik Tok saying unive. Um, but they understand uh because I think the human side of us, we always try and
00:47:38
find the logic in it. Like, didn't they know that they loved us? What were they
00:47:42
thinking? You know, what did I do wrong? Did I miss something? >> Did my loved ones not realize how much I
00:47:49
love them? Did they feel like they couldn't talk to me? Like, we try and logicize it. Like, we're trying to find
00:47:53
the logic in what they're thinking and what they're feeling. And unfortunately
00:47:57
when it comes to mental health and especially when it comes to you know deep depressions that those poor souls
00:48:02
unfortunately fall into on earth they don't have the logic ability to be able
00:48:06
to think straight. >> So the main message that's come from souls that they want to pass on to their
00:48:11
families is that they felt this deep pain. They didn't necessarily see a way
00:48:17
through it. So they thought they were doing everyone kind of a favor in some ways which is just the most horrific way
00:48:21
to have to think. >> Uh but they don't think logically about it. They think about the actual event
00:48:27
itself, but they don't think about the second after that event occurs. And that's what the soul likes to reflect on
00:48:32
when it when I have readings for people because they say, "Well, now I understand things differently." Uh, and
00:48:38
but they always want everyone to know that they're at peace irregardless of how anyone crosses over. They all want
00:48:42
their loved ones to know that they're okay. >> Because I think as humans, uh, I know
00:48:46
I'm definitely was this way and maybe you were as are as well, but uh, we do
00:48:51
want to know that our loved ones are okay. >> Yeah, of course. Sometimes their
00:48:54
passings were very traumatic and you know we love them and just because their physical
00:49:02
uh element isn't earth side anymore doesn't mean that we love them any less
00:49:06
now. >> If anything you know the more that time goes on the more that we miss them.
00:49:10
>> Uh so >> do you end up um having like a spiritual hangover? >> Like when you do like this is some
00:49:18
really heavy [ __ ] we're talking about here. You do these readings. Yeah. How
00:49:22
how how do you decompress? >> I I am very good at self-care. So, and I I learned very early on that I am
00:49:29
literally the medium. Like, I'm the middleman. >> Uh so, it's, you know, it's for me to be
00:49:33
able to pass on and hold space for that person and to leave those messages with them. It's not something that I hold on
00:49:38
to. Uh but I, you know, I I'm I'm always very sleepy, so I've always got having an afternoon
00:49:45
nap. Uh but it's I I I'm very aware of who I am as well. uh like I know exactly
00:49:52
how my body is feeling. I know how I am mentally uh in terms of my own mental health and I know what I need to do to
00:49:59
either lift my vibration or sometimes you know just take a time out for myself. So uh but when I'm reading I'm
00:50:05
not human really if that makes sense. Like my you know my voice changes, my thoughts change. Um there's video
00:50:12
recordings of me even speaking other languages like you know it's sort of like I'm not me anymore.
00:50:17
>> Well, you like channeling the the person. Yeah, there's recordings of me
00:50:19
speaking fluent Vietnamese >> and you're making sense. >> Well, the girl said she Yeah, she
00:50:24
because I used when I used to do face to face readings, they I let the people that I was reading for record the
00:50:29
readings on their phones and I was reading this beautiful lady like she would have been in her 20s and her mom
00:50:34
had crossed over. I remember this is actually a fun story. Uh and I said apparently well I can hear it but a full
00:50:40
sentence in Vietnamese and I had no idea I said it. I thought I spoke English. And she said she the look on her face.
00:50:47
She was like like my mom always said that. How do you know how to say that? I'm like what did I say? She goes, "You
00:50:53
just spoke Vietnamese." I'm like, "What?" That was at the very start. That
00:50:56
was like arguments like 2018. But there's Yeah, there's recordings of me
00:51:00
speaking French, um, Arabic, Polish. English is my only language and I can barely speak that. You know what I mean?
00:51:06
Sort of like got that Aussie accent. How you going? But like it's sort of like
00:51:10
Yeah. So, you know, with the Aussie slang and that, but yeah, it's just uh my boundaries are strong, but I allow
00:51:16
them to use me as the medium. >> So, you just pass on whatever. >> Have you needed to have any therapy or
00:51:21
anything? >> Uh, probably. No, I haven't. Uh, but I learn a lot from spirit. Uh, you know,
00:51:29
in terms of how life is, in terms of how to take care of yourself, the messages that they're passing on to people, I
00:51:35
will gain something in every single reading about how I adapt that to my own life. So whilst I'm doing trauma
00:51:41
counseling on someone, it's actually trauma counseling for me as well. >> If I'm helping them with relationship
00:51:45
advice or life advice or uh elements of understanding their own journeys, it's
00:51:50
impacting me as well. >> Uh so I make the joke that I do probably belong in the psych ward. Uh but uh I
00:51:59
think I'm doing all right now. >> Yeah. No, you you seem very balanced and
00:52:03
measured. Um I said on Instagram that you're coming in and I've got a couple
00:52:06
of cards here which I put into into sections just gathering them up. Um one about grief and one about relationships
00:52:12
as well cuz relationships is a big part of what you do. >> Es absolutely I think everyone's got
00:52:16
questions around relationships. I know I do personally. Yeah. >> Um okay, we'll do relationships first.
00:52:20
Um yeah, you're quite famous for calling out toxic relationships. What's the
00:52:24
biggest red flag you see over and over? >> Oh, that's a great question. I think the
00:52:29
biggest red flag is when people realize that they are doing wrong or doing harm against someone else, but they're not
00:52:35
actively trying to change it. >> And I think, you know, as we said, life is a soul journey. We're all evolving
00:52:42
through our experiences, but when there's certain people that will look at their experiences and realize that maybe
00:52:46
they were toxic, maybe they realized that they did wrong, but they're not actively trying to upgrade or heal or
00:52:51
change it, that's a massive red flag. >> But then again, maybe sometimes a lot of
00:52:54
people aren't aware of it. And that in itself is a red flag. Uh, so if you can,
00:53:00
you know, I think it was Einstein that said, you know, you can't keep doing the
00:53:03
same thing over and over again and expect a different result. >> Yeah, the definition of madness.
00:53:06
>> Yeah, it literally is the definition of madness. But how many people unfortunately do that, especially when
00:53:10
it does come to love or relationship? >> Are you Are you in a relationship?
00:53:13
>> No. Do you know anyone? >> I hope. >> Is it hard for you to be in a
00:53:18
relationship? >> Yeah. Well, >> does it scare a lot of people off? >> It does. That's it. Like I, you know,
00:53:21
I'm a gay man. Surprise, surprise. I mean, having my hand like this the whole
00:53:25
time. No, just But I think Yeah. I I don't want to block it, of course. And I
00:53:30
actually got uh pulled up by spirit last year because I used to say as a form of
00:53:35
protection, I guess maybe because I was a bit scared about the commitment, but I
00:53:38
used to say, "Oh, I'd love to meet someone, but I'm happy being single."
00:53:41
Like, and I, you know, wholeheartedly I'm not upset by being single. Like, I I
00:53:45
enjoy my life. I would love to meet someone, though. And spirit said to me, they're like, "Well, which one is it?
00:53:50
You want to meet someone, but you're happy being single? Don't put caveats on
00:53:52
it. Don't put footnotes on it." Uh, so I now change it. I would like to meet
00:53:57
someone. I think life experience for me a lot of healing I had to do throughout my 20s and my 30s. I probably wasn't
00:54:03
ready to be an effective positive partner in someone's life. Uh now I feel like I am. But I'm nearly 39 which is
00:54:09
basically retirement age and gay years. So you know the clock's ticking time. I
00:54:13
got to get on. Uh but yeah, I would like to meet someone. It it is a bit intimidating though. I think I I mean
00:54:19
I'm generalizing of course but a lot of people that I even meet for the first
00:54:22
time whether whether they're in a relationship sense or even just a friendship sense everyone does assume
00:54:27
I'm reading their minds uh or they assume that I'm on as David the medium
00:54:31
24/7 >> how do you how do you put someone at ease? >> Well I it's not something you can do by
00:54:38
voice. I have to I tell them I'm not on but I think that it comes down to that
00:54:41
intimidating factor that maybe they are assuming that I am still reading their minds and uh from a relationship
00:54:46
perspective like I've been on like I actually got set up on a blind date would you believe this was last year uh
00:54:52
2024 and it was a by a very good friend of mine in Melbourne um and he's like I
00:54:58
want you to go meet my friend and I'm like yeah cool and I was like can you please tell him I'm a medium and he's
00:55:02
like no no no cuz I don't want him to know anything about you if he knows that
00:55:04
you're a medium he might be able to like stalk you online and find out about you.
00:55:07
I'm like, "Ah, here we go." So then I got to the question. He's like, "Oh,
00:55:10
what do you do for work?" And I'm like, "Oh god." I'm like, "I'm a psychic
00:55:14
medium." And then he went. But I was like, "Oh god, he's not about that." And
00:55:19
he didn't ask any follow-up questions. I was like, "That's my answer that you
00:55:22
know that he's not really feeling it." So that's it. But you know, Dom, we only
00:55:26
need one person. And eventually there will be that one person who's not intimidated by me being a psychic medium
00:55:34
or or doesn't care. You know, that's the thing. So I don't need everyone to be
00:55:38
accepting of it. Like I'm accepting of who I am and I'm happy with who I am. So
00:55:42
someone else isn't. Not a me problem. That's a them problem. >> Yeah. That's a good
00:55:45
>> any of us in life. Yeah. >> Um when you said before that a spirit
00:55:50
called you out about you saying I'm I'm looking for love but I'm happy being
00:55:53
single. Who Who's the spirit? Is it like someone? >> It was actually in someone's reading.
00:55:57
Would you believe? And and the girl said the same thing. And then it was one of her love ones and spirit looked at me
00:56:01
and says, "Well, you say the same thing." And I'm like, "Oh, I actually
00:56:04
[ __ ] do, don't I?" Like, "Yeah. She was like, "Oh, no. It'd be nice to
00:56:08
meet someone, but you know, I'm I'm I'm good single. I'm strong. I'm
00:56:10
independent. I love being single." And I was, >> and then spirit was like, "Well, you say
00:56:14
the same thing." And I was like, "Well, that's it. >> It's okay to be single. Absolutely.
00:56:17
There's nothing wrong with being single. That's I I don't know whether you've got
00:56:20
a partner or not, but like, you know, single's fine. >> But if you are wanting to meet someone,
00:56:24
then you also have to embrace that. It's okay to also because there is that that
00:56:28
internal fear of rejection, that fear of like, oh, what if I do never find someone, which admittably, we all
00:56:33
inevitably find someone if you're if you're wanting it." Yeah. >> But you just got to be comfortable with
00:56:37
that to be like, "Yes, I would love to meet someone. I want to meet someone."
00:56:40
No caveats. >> Why do you think so many people ignore their intuition when it comes to love?
00:56:46
>> I think cuz we're very human. >> We're all here for the human experience
00:56:49
and uh our intuition is something that's a natural thought, but then our human
00:56:53
brain kicks in. Uh so if we intuitively feel something, we then try and logically explain it. And I think with
00:57:00
our intuition, with our soul connection, you can't logically explain it from a
00:57:03
human perspective because it's a bit deeper than that. Uh so with everyone, like I said, sometimes ask yourself the
00:57:09
question with anything in life, relationships, career, work, uh have a conversation with yourself. Be like,
00:57:15
okay, like I arguments like this as an example. Um for anyone listening, say to yourself, you want to make a million
00:57:22
dollars in the next 12 months. How do you instinctively feel about that? Like before your brain kicks in,
00:57:28
do you feel nervous by that? Do you feel excited by that? Does it give you a bit
00:57:32
of fear? Uh and then where do you feel that on your body? Like if I feel fear, is it in my stomach? Is it in my head?
00:57:38
Like you connect with the intuition inside thing before the human brain kicks in. And love's the same thing. So
00:57:42
we all want to meet someone. We all feel connections with someone's but then
00:57:45
maybe our brain over analyzes it. Uh our brain as all humans is also based on past experiences. Sometimes the past
00:57:52
experiences aren't positive. So we bring that into the the present which also
00:57:56
isn't fair. uh because we're basing our intuition and our feelings on past
00:58:00
experiences which aren't valid anymore. So, it's being able to be very self-aware, have those very deep
00:58:05
conversations with yourself and but it does require the work and I think a lot of people are also fearful of putting in
00:58:09
the work. >> What's the most common relationship message that spirits want people to
00:58:14
hear? >> Well, I mean they are all very unique. I think the most common one Oh, coming to
00:58:20
think a good question. The most common one that we want people to realize is that so you have to also
00:58:27
realize who you are in a relationship. That comes up a lot. So especially for people that are looking to connect or
00:58:33
find love uh but also for those that are in ones right now and are evolving into
00:58:38
relationships with their significant others. It's okay for us to be able to imagine or visualize how we want our
00:58:45
partners to be. You know, their personality traits, their physical traits, uh their behavioral traits, but
00:58:50
who are we in relationships? Uh like uh I mean I'm being a terrible psychic right now, but do you have a
00:58:56
partner at the moment? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Perfect. So with her like oh I
00:59:00
assume it's a woman >> otherwise this is a great you know just broken up the podcast episode here.
00:59:06
>> Look at look at what I'm wearing. The gay community wouldn't accept me.
00:59:11
>> Uh you know so you know with her like you know you know what you're seeking in
00:59:15
a relationship for the most part. You know what you would like to grow with her.
00:59:20
then reflect back is are you the man that's being able to support her properly?
00:59:25
>> Are you the man that listens to her properly? Uh for those of us that are
00:59:29
single at the moment, like I said, we all know who we would like to meet in a relationship. Is that person also
00:59:34
attracted to us? We've all got toxic traits. We've all got past experiences.
00:59:38
There's nothing wrong with that. We incorporate it into ourselves. You can't
00:59:41
deny it. Doesn't mean that it becomes a dominating factor, though. But if I'm
00:59:45
seeking someone who's really motivated and someone who's really driven and
00:59:48
successful, are they going to be attracted to someone who doesn't want to get out of bed before 1 p.m.
00:59:53
>> Someone who maybe doesn't want to put in the work either career-wise or personal
00:59:59
wise. Uh so that's the biggest message around relationships. So also remember
01:00:02
who you are as a partner. >> Have you ever had to be too honest with someone and thought, um, oh [ __ ] what
01:00:09
I'm about to say is about to ruin their day. Well, we haven't had your reading yet,
01:00:13
so we'll see. No, no, no, no. Um, no. Is spirit is ever branching off onto topics that can be
01:00:22
considered negative or sometimes tough. It's always with the aim of how we get
01:00:26
through it, how you cope with it, or how you deal with it, or they like to give you tools, tricks, and uh different
01:00:31
understandings about how best to incorporate it into your life. So, uh I have told people that their partners are
01:00:36
cheating on them. >> Usually, they're they had suspicion already. Uh I have told people that yeah
01:00:43
I mean especially around CO like I was like oh you're going to have massive issues with business like uh mental
01:00:48
health concerns around CO as well you know a lot of that was coming up with people being very aware like you need to
01:00:52
really look after yourself. >> Uh but that's the thing it's always a
01:00:55
dam of guidance. So it's never overtly negative. >> So so when you get a message that
01:01:00
someone's being um um cheated on by their partner like what what do you what
01:01:04
do you see or hear? >> So they love using pop culture reference for me. So, I haven't had experience
01:01:11
with cheating myself, but uh they will show me TV shows where, you know, it's
01:01:15
been brought up uh like, you know, movies where there's been cheaters, uh as a visual reference. And then I'll say
01:01:20
to the partner, uh usually spirit questions them. They're like, you know, I actually used to say straight out, I'm
01:01:25
like, "Have you had concerns about cheating?" And they're like, >> "Yeah." And
01:01:29
>> I was like, "Well, yeah." But then spirit can get very specific because as
01:01:32
I said before, I aim for specivity. Like I don't want to be like, "All right,
01:01:36
good. Leave it at that." And I'll be like, well, like I delve right into it.
01:01:40
And it's again with the aim of being respectful, you know, cuz we also are approaching even on the cheaters life.
01:01:46
Like it's not for me to see their personal things at the same time either. >> But then, you know, there's one example
01:01:51
that comes into my head for privacy. I won't say their names of course, but uh
01:01:54
she had concerns her husband might have been plain up uh and um I think it was her mama or her
01:02:02
grandmother or something. I remember it was a strong female. She goes, "Well,
01:02:04
it's bloody Jess from the office. And I said to her, I was like, "Does he
01:02:10
work with a Jess?" She goes, "Like the very stereotypical like they're like,
01:02:15
"Oh, that's his PA." And I'm like, she's like, "I [ __ ] knew it." I'm like,
01:02:19
"Yep." Well, you know, >> you know, that's the thing. But like
01:02:23
again, it's not for me to filter it, but I also need to be very respectful and
01:02:27
you need to be very spot on. Like you can't just say to someone, "Your partner's [ __ ] on you and joining
01:02:32
you day." cuz my I I don't want to place that element of doubt in their minds. Uh
01:02:37
their relationship could have been perfect and as a psychic it's not for me to then put the seed of doubt in it. Uh
01:02:43
spirit will only bring it up if there's that already. But you have to be very
01:02:47
careful. And I've been to mediums where I look at maybe their practices of how
01:02:51
they have done their readings and I was and I'm sitting there like are you joking? Like you can't do that to
01:02:57
people. Like there's mediums that will be like oh you've got very bad negative
01:03:01
energy coming up. Oh, you're in the wrong job. Oh, you really need to leave that partner.
01:03:06
Maybe that is the case, but help them explain why. You can't just dump that on
01:03:10
someone and then be like, great, $500. Thanks. See you later. Like, you know, cuz you really, you're getting very
01:03:15
personal into people's stories and their personal and their lives. You've got to
01:03:18
be very respectful and be able to hold space in a, you know, positive way for them.
01:03:23
>> Jes, you're um you're a villain in Jesus' story, aren't you?
01:03:27
>> I hope so. >> Jesus never coming to one of your shows. I was like, "Jess, maybe you don't
01:03:31
listen to the podcast." >> Um, >> yeah. New to that relationship.
01:03:34
>> Yeah. What's uh the most dramatic client reaction you've had? >> Like a lot of a lot of a lot of a lot of
01:03:41
tears, I'm imagining. >> Yeah. I mean, anger ever. Anger or rage? >> No one's been angry at me. I mean,
01:03:47
there's a lot of people that said that I wasn't spot on, maybe because they just
01:03:49
weren't ready to listen to what we were saying. Uh, so even in the readings,
01:03:53
they're like, "Oh, no, no, that's wrong." You know, I've had I've had
01:03:56
people tell me I'm not good as a medium. And then, you know, most of the time
01:04:00
come back with tales between their legs being like, "Oh, okay, that did happen."
01:04:03
Um, but then there's the funny reactions like especially when you read um men for
01:04:06
the first time and you know, they never had experiences with it. And there's
01:04:10
one, I can't remember his name, but um every time I said something, he banged
01:04:13
his hands on the table. He's like, "What?" And he got up and kept walking
01:04:15
around the room. He was like [ __ ] mind-b blown by it. Uh so, you know, there's fun reactions, but yeah, then
01:04:21
there is, you know, there's the tears, there's the laughter. Um as a medium, I
01:04:25
like to be very different to most. Um, and I do it at my live shows especially, but I like to bring laughter into it.
01:04:30
>> Uh, because we're dealing with very heavy topics. Uh, it's very personal
01:04:34
topics sometimes, especially the live show because it's very personal for people to be there in front of 400
01:04:40
people talking about the dramas in their life. >> So, I love to add a bit of humor and a
01:04:43
bit of comedy into it because it helps lift the vibration. So, we just want to have fun with it.
01:04:47
>> Life is just about having fun. I think >> you're very you're very sassy.
01:04:52
I I haven't been to one of your shows, but I've seen some clips online and
01:04:54
yeah, I can imagine it. It's a It's a lot of fun. And the reviews I've read as
01:04:57
well, they say they say it was almost like part standup comedy. >> Well, I get called David the Comedian,
01:05:02
which I think is the best compliment I could have cuz I'm just a bloody idiot.
01:05:05
You know what I mean? Like I don't know whose idea it was to give me a microphone, but it's like I mean, you
01:05:09
know what it's like. Like suddenly holding a microphone and it's like oh no
01:05:12
one can stop me now, can they? Like I'm like they can't turn it off on me. Here
01:05:15
we go. Like so I just have fun with it. Life is just about having fun. I mean we've it's 2025. By the time you know
01:05:22
this episode comes out it'll be 2026. How did life get so complicated? >> Why is everything so just difficult now?
01:05:29
Like we needed to strip it back and remember that yes, this is going on, but just have fun.
01:05:33
>> Like we are completely for the human experience, so make it the best that you
01:05:36
can actually have. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There's a lot of tension out
01:05:39
there, aren't you? >> I was talking about this with my Uber driver on the way to your studio.
01:05:43
>> Like there's just so much tension and you know whether it comes from you know
01:05:46
pop culture, political, you know, co obviously upended the whole world and no one's recovered from that. M
01:05:51
>> uh but now everything's so polarizing and life is just getting a bit more
01:05:56
difficult and a bit more complex and we're making it that way. Like it doesn't need to be like this.
01:06:01
>> I've got a card here called um spir spirituality, grief and healing. Just a
01:06:06
bunch of questions that came through on Instagram which I thought I'd put in
01:06:08
this section. Yeah. Um >> what do people misunderstand about grief the most?
01:06:13
>> Uh great question. I think we misunderstand that everyone does feel the way that we feel in our
01:06:25
grief but at the same time grief is so personal uh because everyone's story is
01:06:29
very unique. Uh but unfortunately everyone does go through it. So when we are grieving or when we're going through
01:06:35
very traumatic circumstances I think it's very common for people to feel that
01:06:40
no one understands how they feel. M uh and maybe in that some cases it can be right because as we said it is very
01:06:46
personal but everyone can relate to grief uh and people can be still very supportive through grief even though you
01:06:52
feel like maybe no one understands that doesn't mean that they're not there to
01:06:56
help you through it or support you through it. >> Yeah. Is there like a a a sort of set
01:07:01
period of time where it takes people to get over the loss of a love? Like when does it start to get easier for people?
01:07:06
>> Well, that's it. I I I don't think you can put a time frame on it because I
01:07:09
don't think it ever gets easier for us. I think when we have someone that we
01:07:13
love that crosses over uh even as a medium like I maybe have a different understanding of uh you know the process
01:07:20
and uh the experience of what it's like in the afterlife but I don't miss my
01:07:24
loved ones any less uh and the biggest misconception we make about uh crossing over is that uh and this is tied in with
01:07:32
grief as well they cross over they leave us but the person that we were also dies
01:07:38
in that moment as well. >> Yeah. Um, and I don't think people give that enough thought. The person,
01:07:43
>> you're never the same again. >> You're never the same again. The person
01:07:46
that we were when we were with them also no longer exists anymore. >> Uh, and you can't put a a uh, you know,
01:07:53
it's very common for humans to try and put a time frame on things and it's just
01:07:59
the understanding that it does continue. But, uh, a message that comes up from spirit very regularly and I talk about
01:08:04
this with friends as well. Uh, as much as we're grieving, as much as we want
01:08:08
the world to just stop and to let us think and to let us rest and to let us gather our thoughts again, the sun's
01:08:14
still rising the following day. >> Uh, like we might be going through the most traumatic grief of our life, but if
01:08:20
you step outside, people are still going about their lives. >> Mhm. >> Uh, and that doesn't change. So, you
01:08:25
know, it just continues. We learn to become new versions of ourselves. And even though we feel like we've taken a
01:08:32
shotgun to the chest, >> Mhm. Time still moves forward. >> Yeah. And you have to you can't be
01:08:38
consumed by grief >> and you have to. That's it. >> Otherwise, it's a waste of another life.
01:08:42
>> Well, that's it. Well, that's that's perfect. And that's the thing. I mean,
01:08:45
allow yourself the time to, you know, feel and to and to it's okay to take a
01:08:51
little bit of time out just to gather yourself, but >> also remember what what do you think
01:08:56
your loved ones would want for you? And that's important for everyone to remember. like whether you uh have a
01:09:02
sibling crossover, a parent crossover. Unfortunately, you know, as we said in by the time we get to our age, people
01:09:06
have crossed over, uh what do you think they want for you? Do you think they want you to be in your bed crying all
01:09:12
day over them? >> No. They want you to get up and live life. >> Yeah.
01:09:15
>> Uh so do it in honor of them through the grief that you're feeling, through the
01:09:19
loss that you're feeling. >> Change the table on it. Um allow yourself to live the best [ __ ] life
01:09:25
that you can live in honor of them. And that and that will help you evolve and heal a bit.
01:09:33
>> That's clipworthy. >> I know. I thought I thought that in my own head. I was like, I need to write
01:09:36
that. >> That's the end point. >> Um, what's the most beautiful message uh
01:09:41
from a spirit that you've passed on? >> Oh, honestly, every single reading I do
01:09:46
has a beautiful message in it. Uh, none necessarily stand out because again, it's all them wanting to know that their
01:09:54
loved ones on earth, that they are still watching over them, that they are still
01:09:56
guiding them. I love when parents uh reference their own children uh in uh having children earthside. So I love
01:10:04
when parents validate in spirit that they're now grandparents and they recognize that and that's important for
01:10:08
everyone to remember as well. They still watch over our lives. >> Uh they can still see everything that's
01:10:12
going on because I think the biggest part of grief and the biggest part of that feeling of loss is that we feel
01:10:16
like that they have gone >> and that they are going to miss >> the momentum monumental moments in our
01:10:22
lives or the special moments in our lives. And I want everyone to know they're still right by your side.
01:10:26
they're still there with you. Talk to them. Uh, one thing I tell everyone is
01:10:31
before that our loved ones cross over, if you know someone's terminally unwell
01:10:34
or even if they're not, you know, even if they're just healthy, have conversations around passing over with
01:10:40
them. The western world in particular is so fearful of death. Uh, because we feel
01:10:45
that it is this, you know, that it is the end. But I say to everyone, uh, create signs with your loved ones. Like
01:10:51
I talk about it with my loved ones. If you were to cross over, I want you to give me this song, this sign. Make it
01:10:55
very specific. So when that person unfortunately does cross over, they can give you that sign, they can give you
01:11:01
that song, that that n that rainbow, whatever it may be to let you know that they're still there. Uh and that's
01:11:08
beautiful. >> If they are all all around us all the time, why don't they make themselves
01:11:12
more more visible or more present? Do you know what I mean? >> Well, they can if you're open to it.
01:11:18
Yeah. >> Yeah. That's it. Because like >> if you how many but how many times do we
01:11:25
ask them to >> like you know even as a medium I think you know we all expected when our loved
01:11:30
ones cross over that we want to wake up in the middle of the night with them at the end of the bed saying hello to us
01:11:36
>> are most people ready for that is their energy ready for that uh I think we all
01:11:40
get so stuck living the human life which is fine because you know surprise surprise we're human.
01:11:46
>> Uh but the signs are there if we look for it if we ask for it. Uh, and I don't
01:11:50
think maybe people they want the signs but have actually set the intention. >> It is that simple because I get them a
01:11:55
lot now and I like I'm still completely of a human experience. I don't want to
01:12:00
be David the medium 24/7. Uh, but I now understand energy better than anything else and I understand that it is all
01:12:06
energy and and we can manipulate energy and bend it to our will and allow them to manipulate it to show us that they
01:12:11
are still there. >> Why do um why do you think so many people carry guilt after someone dies?
01:12:16
>> Oh, another great question. >> Damn. I outsourced all the great ones.
01:12:20
>> No, no, we're recording. It's all on your body. Um, I think I felt, well, put
01:12:26
it this way. If I look at from my own experience, my grandmother, for me, my maternal grandmother was like a second
01:12:32
mom to me. The last proper conversation I had with her, I argued with her. >> So, I had guilt around that. I still
01:12:39
have guilt around that. Uh I think we feel guilty because we feel like that there is no opportunity to say sorry or
01:12:46
there's no opportunity for redemption. When someone crosses over, we think about all the things that we feel like
01:12:51
that we did wrong, not paying attention to all the things we did right. >> Uh you know, and sometimes people's
01:12:59
passings are very quick, very sudden. They don't have the opportunity to say
01:13:02
goodbye to us. Uh but either way, even if they're in hospital and we're holding
01:13:06
their hands when they cross over, we still feel guilty. uh because it's a very natural human reaction to suddenly
01:13:11
feel like that we should be doing things differently all the time. You know, the
01:13:14
brain kicks in, that logic, that doubt, that fear kicks in and it's simply not
01:13:19
the case. It's just something that we need to let go of and we need to remember that okay, maybe we should have
01:13:24
maybe done that a little bit differently. But there was also those 99.8% of other times that were actually
01:13:28
perfect. >> Is do a lot of people come to see you because they want to be released from
01:13:32
some guilt. >> 100%. A lot of people still feel so guilty over certain things that they
01:13:36
said or that that they did or there's also the worry from uh spirit uh that they're being judged still
01:13:42
>> uh and uh or that their actions earth side of making their loved ones ashamed.
01:13:47
That's another massive thing. Uh and to touch on that uh our loved ones never
01:13:51
judge us because they understand everything is soul journey again. So if you were to say to me, oh David, like
01:13:58
you know we'll cut the cameras but I'm actually a drug dealer. Like Dom Harvey's dealing drugs and he's also
01:14:03
murdered two people. I don't think that's the case, by the way. But like
01:14:07
your loved ones in spirit wouldn't be like, "Oh my god, I'm so ashamed at Dom.
01:14:11
How could he murder someone? How could he deal drugs? Oh my god, I can't believe that this is my my son, my
01:14:16
grandson, my brother, whatever it may be." They don't look at it like that.
01:14:19
They would be like, "Okay, Dom's dealing drugs. Dom has killed someone. What is
01:14:24
Dom learning in that? How's that impacting his soul journey? What lessons is he learning? How's that impacting his
01:14:29
life?" They're not ashamed of us. They don't judge us. The human part of them
01:14:34
definitely would have. You know what I mean? Like if you go to someone like if you go out into the office and you're
01:14:38
like, "Guys, I killed someone." Everyone in the office would be like, "What the
01:14:42
fuck?" Cuz the human element tries to quantify it or tries to compartmentalize
01:14:47
it into certain ways, but the spirit says, "No, this is how it is. Okay, how's this impacting his journey? What
01:14:52
changes does it make? >> Your loved ones aren't judging you." >> Um, yeah.
01:14:59
Even if someone is a skeptic, if you if you're able to release people from some
01:15:03
sort of guilt that they carry, I think that's um a really powerful thing. >> Well, that's it. I mean, with skeptic
01:15:09
and I have read for skeptics, of course. >> Uh but if they if I can just help them
01:15:14
see life differently, uh or help them understand that maybe there is more than they understand. Like
01:15:20
it's very typical of humans to think that we know it all. M uh and you know through life experiences the older that
01:15:28
we get if we're wise we realize that the more that we know the less that we know.
01:15:32
>> 100%. Oh my god that is completely me. I use that line all the time. >> Exactly. So so why would spirituality be
01:15:38
anything different? Maybe as we said you haven't had experience with it yet or uh
01:15:41
but you know we're very silly as humans to think that this is it >> or that with everything in life we see
01:15:49
everything. We understand everything. Even as a medium, I know that I'll never
01:15:54
understand everything as a medium. The more readings that I do and the more that I do this again, the more that I
01:15:58
realize I'm not understanding everything. >> Um, each reading is like opening a new
01:16:03
doorway to a new understanding for me. >> Yeah. >> Uh, so be curious, be open, and just uh,
01:16:09
you know, always want to be better and want to learn more >> with anything in life.
01:16:15
>> What's the um, what does the future hold for you? Where do you see yourself in
01:16:18
the next year, 3 years, 5 years? >> Great question. I you know. >> Do you want to be Do you want to be like
01:16:21
the next Tyler Henry? Is that his name? The >> Yeah, the American guy. >> Yeah. I met him at the airport actually,
01:16:26
would you believe? In LAX? Yeah. Really? Just by chance? >> Yeah, just by chance. It was really
01:16:30
funny. And then I he he got up to walk and I was like, I'm going to follow him.
01:16:33
And then he went to the bathroom. I'm like, okay, well, don't follow him into
01:16:35
the bathroom. Wait until he comes out to say hello. Uh but I you know, I learned
01:16:39
very early on, you know, given my journey, what's the point of planning life? If I
01:16:45
was rigid and I planned life, I I wouldn't be David the medium. be working in counterterrorism for the federal
01:16:50
government in CRA at the moment probably in Australia of course. >> Uh I have goals that I want to reach but
01:16:55
I also understand that life likes to throw curve balls at us. I think every single person listening understands that
01:17:01
life has probably thrown a cable at them once or twice before. So there's definitely goals and accomplishments I
01:17:07
want to reach. I don't plan life anymore. Uh you know to look at the next 12 months I don't know what that looks
01:17:14
like. I'm open to any opportunity that comes my way, of course. Uh but I'm also
01:17:18
very good intuitively now that if things are presented to me, I know whether it's
01:17:23
right or not. And I think that's how really I've got as far as I have. Uh
01:17:27
because I didn't plan it. I didn't, you know, I didn't go into mediumship
01:17:31
wanting to be famous or wanting to have a public image. I wanted to go into actually help people because I realized
01:17:36
the healing benefit it had on me. And then I realized the healing benefit was having on other people when I started
01:17:40
doing readings. But I wanted to be able to do that for everyone. Uh, and I wanted to be able to show them a
01:17:44
different way of life. So, if me having a public profile or doing some bigger things into the future helps more people
01:17:52
have exposure or experiences with it, then I'll happily do it. Uh, but if we
01:17:57
do anything for our ego, if we do anything because we want to be well known or we, you know, I want to become
01:18:03
famous so then I get free [ __ ] or like I mean, I'm actually open to that if
01:18:07
anyone's listening, but like, you know, but that's it. You're doing it from a
01:18:10
low frequency or low vibration. It's never going to if it's not authentic, it
01:18:14
won't work. And that's the biggest lesson for everyone in life. I'm sure
01:18:16
even, you know, with someone who's as distinguished in career as you are, >> if you weren't authentic and if you
01:18:22
didn't love it and if you didn't have the passion or the the positivity around
01:18:25
it, it wouldn't have gone as far as it would. >> So, I think most people most people can
01:18:29
spot a fake from a mile away, can't they? >> That's it. And, you know, I'm in an
01:18:33
industry where it's there's a lot of eyes on it because it is people automatically assume I already am a fake
01:18:38
from the go-get. So, and that's the thing like there are I don't doubt that
01:18:43
they're [ __ ] mediums. I've been to some >> uh I've also been to [ __ ] doctors. I've
01:18:46
been to terrible accountants. I've been I I worked with some bad lawyers. You
01:18:51
know what I mean? There's people in every industry that maybe aren't their
01:18:53
authentic best. >> What do what do your old mates um in in the legal profession make of what you're
01:18:59
doing now? Some of them must think you're bonkers, right? >> I would love to know.
01:19:04
For my own mental health, I don't talk to any of them anymore. But there's also
01:19:07
that ego part of me that wants to go to my old boss who was an absolute [ __ ] and be like, "How you going
01:19:13
>> because I can guarantee they know about me." Like that's the thing. Like they've
01:19:17
got mutual friends that I'm friends with their friends. Like that's it. >> That ego part of me just wants to be
01:19:22
like, "Yeah, hey, what do you think about this?" Like >> but you know that's the thing.
01:19:26
Everyone's open to you know their own opinions. >> This has been a lot of fun.
01:19:30
>> Thank you. Likewise. I' I've really enjoyed talking with you. Got some Yeah.
01:19:34
Great questions. >> Yeah. Well, thank you. It's been really nice to connect. I'm so pleased that um
01:19:37
yeah, our mutual friend Jamie made this happen. >> Yeah.