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the United States at all with this huge
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stigma. Right. If you've got out of
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jail, and I've been to the States quite
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a few times.
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You know, I can't go there now since
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9/11, but um but I've been to state
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states well over a
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over a dozen times to conferences where
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I given papers at at the big conferences
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over there. And they they're totally
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different attitude over there to
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uh criminal. So, there's a real stigma.
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A real stigma.
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To the point where
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I was once at the uh
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at the Hyatt staying at the Hyatt in
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Chicago or somewhere.
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And um
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and there was some a group of criminals,
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ex-criminals,
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had got together and they were doing
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work on the hotel as a as a a company
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that was doing the putting in the
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drywalls.
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And you know what? There were people
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outside pamphleting the hotel.
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Dear um Hyatt customer, did you know
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that the that the company that's
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installing drywalls into this uh hotel
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are criminals? Do you really Do you feel
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safe in this hotel knowing that
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criminals are working in this hotel?
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True. And there was a big and there was
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the picture with the with the message of
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a rat holding a a bag of money.
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And that's That was true. I couldn't
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believe it.
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>> Mhm. They were pamphleting the bloody
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hotel and these guys were trying to make
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a go of their lives.
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>> Mhm.
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Yeah.
