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>> Tim Morrison, welcome to my podcast.
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>> Very nice to be here, Don. What's taken
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you so long to get me on your show?
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>> It's not
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>> Don't you know me anymore?
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>> Not through lack of trying. I actually
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You might be able to see this on screen
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if you're watching the podcast. The blue
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is my messages and the the occasional
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gray ones are Tim's replies.
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>> Yes. Out of the country. out of the
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country, bro. Call me when I call you
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when I get back.
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>> Unbelievable. So,
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>> out of the country at the moment. Call
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you when I get back.
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>> December 2023. I'm like, "Hey,
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>> 2023,
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>> two years ago, come on my podcast. You
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got" and you replied, "Just got back
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from overseas." And I'm like, "Oh,
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that's cool." You're like, "Now, no
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good. Maybe next week."
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>> And then I keep asking and then then
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you'll reply something like, "Um, uh,
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>> chur sounds good."
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>> Churbo sounds good. I'm there. I'm
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there. But anyway, it's taken that long.
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23, man.
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>> Perseverance.
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>> That's what life's about.
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>> You do.
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>> Perseverance.
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>> You don't really like um talking about
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yourself, do you?
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>> No, I don't even watch a movie. I
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haven't even got a movie that I've been
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in to watch. I haven't even got anything
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about anything that I've done.
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>> Oh, what do you mean? You You do the
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work and then you don't watch it back or
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>> I might go to the premiere and watch it
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then and that's about it. But yeah, I
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just don't like talking about myself
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even though I'm a Morrison and uh and a
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tera from not but yeah maybe I'm just
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the exception and um I don't know I just
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feel vulnerable in these situations. So
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I was dodging you for a little bit. I
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was dodging you for a little bit but
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perseverance I must say but you hung in
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there and I'm I I feel good now that I
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I'm here.
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>> Have you done any other podcasts? one
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for Winnie the Pooh. His name's Jim
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Cummings. He's the famous voice of
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Winnie the Pooh. That's the only other
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one I've done. And I was feeling guilty
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when I was doing it. I was thinking of
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you. I was thinking, "Dee, I hope Dom
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doesn't see this. Hope Dom doesn't see
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this cuz he's he's still waiting for
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me." So, that's the only one I've done.
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And all the other ones that have been
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asking, I said, "Sorry, I've got to do
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Dom's first. Dom's my man." So, it's
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there's going to be a big weight of my
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shoulder after this uh this podcast, but
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congratulations to you for persevering
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and we go way back to the time of the
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edge of course and you were always
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respectful and got me in no matter what
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I was doing. There probably a movie I
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promoting or a TV show I'm promoting.
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So, yeah, I just did that again this
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morning. So, was strange not to see you
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in those big buildings over there, you
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know, where all the radio stations,
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they're all together now. So, I've been
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going around this morning promoting my
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new project which is called Earth Oven.
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>> Should I just interview myself?
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>> This is This is how I got you in here
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today. Reagan the publicist. I She's
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like, "Would you have Tim on your
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podcast?" And I was like, "What do I
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have Tim on my podcast? I've sent him
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like 30 messages in the last 3 years."
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>> Yeah, I knew I knew that. That came up.
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I said, "Yep, let's do doss. Let's do I
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got to do
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>> Thank you. Earth." Yeah. It's my new TV
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show. Uh the idea come about from the
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High Mama Productions. The producers
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thought, "What a great idea. Let's go
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around the world, see who else see the
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hi, the earth oven way of cooking." So
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um then they gave the idea to Mike
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Jonathan who's very good. Uh I've known
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Mike for a long time. He just directed
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Kafonu,
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the the film. Um and it received very
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well too by the way. and um he also did
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my other TV shows and he's he used to do
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all my auditions as well when I was
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trying to get a job in Hollywood. So I
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have a wonderful relationship. So he
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approached me and said hey want to be
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our front guy for um for this earth of
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an idea and then yeah so we made six
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episodes.
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Um
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very good great great job going around
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the world eating hungi and finding out a
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little bit more. But this one did quite
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a cultural show too. It's um
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>> and it's quite different for me too cuz
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I actually had to be myself. Normally
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I'm in the business and you know there's
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kind of
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>> u characters for example to you can sort
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of hide behind and you don't really show
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yourself out there but this one was
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totally totally me out there trying to
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be a funny fellow and just working with
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the local people. I went to Mexico
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Cancun they call it the peeb there the
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earth oven there went to a place called
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Chiloy. It's an island just of Santiago.
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went to Australia, did an Aboriginal one
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they call the Bangar. Went to Jordan in
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the desert, Wadi Ram Deserts. Um, this
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by Akaba there. They do one in the in
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the sand. Uh, Hawaii, of course, we put
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a pig in the in the emu. They call it
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the emu there. So, yes, spectacular. A
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lot of it is um
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um not so much about the eating but more
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about the sharing of culture, sharing of
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ideas, seeing some of the similarities
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and some of the the way they go about
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things. And but you know, I did learn
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that um no matter where I was, it was
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family, family, food,
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you know,
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>> and the people element, you know, we're
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just all the same people really on this
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planet. And uh we love being around
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family. They talk about the food taking
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the time out. So it was a wonderful
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experience and I would always get kind
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of emotional
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you know the show we crescendo to the hi
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coming out you know revealing the food
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you know but that's only just quite a
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small part of it after the after you
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know while the fire's burning I go out
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and sort of do some activities find out
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more about the culture go to some
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spectacular places have a look around
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there. So very colorful, uh, quite funny
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at times. Had a great crew to work with.
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We got some great visuals, especially
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the one in Jordan just looks spectacular
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cuz, you know, I'm out there in the in
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the desert with the camels and
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everything. So great little warm show.
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It's a very warm warm fuzzy feeling you
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get after watching an episode. Well,
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that's the desire, the hope anyway. But
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brilliant,
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>> wonderful experience
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>> and it's on Neon. Um, and the good thing
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about
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>> they're all on Neon. Actually, the whole
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six have been downloaded on Neon. So,
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you can watch all of them or you can go
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to Sky Open
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>> uh once a week every Wednesday 8:30 on
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Sky Open. Sky go I think might be the
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other one.
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>> Well, the good the good thing is about
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streaming now and also podcast. Someone
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can listen to this anytime maybe a year
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from now, two years from now and it'll
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still be available to watch on Neon.
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>> I'm thinking of doing my own podcast
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show. Take a lesson from you Dom. You
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know this acting I'm getting a bit, you
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know, the memory's fading a little bit.
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So, I might do a Tim's podcast. You
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should. You should.
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>> What's it like? All good.
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>> Yeah, it's I I love it. I love it. I get
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to sit down and have these long form
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conversations with really really
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>> They're not like radio interviews, are
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they? Quite in in depth stuff.
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>> Yeah. There's no there's no hurry.
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There's no rush.
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>> That's right. Yeah.
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>> Who has been the best on your podcast?
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Who's the one that's really stood out
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for you that moved you in a way?
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>> Oh, that was this woman um Tracy Hickman
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who I had on the podcast last year. not
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not a famous person, but she had
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terminal cancer and she um chose to die
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with the youth in Asia that's available
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in New Zealand now. Um so she was just
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sharing her experience about that like
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about two weeks before the date where
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she was going to die and it was just um
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an incredibly powerful episode
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>> [ __ ] sad
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>> when they're facing facing you know
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>> like really really in the face. Yeah.
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Yeah, I had a guy on earlier this year
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too called Tamil Tamil Aduju who's a
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Muslim man from originally from Turkey,
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now lives in Christ Church and he was
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shot nine times in the mosque
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>> on March 15 and lived.
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>> Yeah. So,
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>> it would be great if we could talk to
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them on the other side,
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>> huh? You know,
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>> figure that one out and we'll get the
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ratings. We'll get the ratings.
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>> I've I've got to This is very exciting.
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There's There's so much to cover with
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you.
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>> There's Okay, we better get going then,
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buddy. You You made some notes. I'm very
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impressed. I have lots of lots of notes.
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>> Those notes from 2023. Okay.
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>> The difficult thing with doing even a
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long form podcast with someone like you
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is deciding what to leave in and what to
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leave out. Yes.
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>> Um because um it's been such a full
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life.
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>> Well, I tried to live life.
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>> That's what key order actually means.
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Kia order means order is the word we use
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for live life. Living kia order. But the
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kia makes it to
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>> live life. I'm saying kod. Hello. Thank
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you kor. But I'm saying live
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>> the life. You got to live it. You got to
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live it. Okay. I've got a thing here
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that I'm going to share with you at the
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end. One of my what do you call them
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like their little mantra or your little
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uh quotes or little saying. But we'll do
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that one at the end. I make sure I can
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source it.
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>> Worth sticking around.
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>> But yes, I've had a full life. Thanks,
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Dom. And um I think I've just been one
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of those guys too that um I always like
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to try something you know and by the
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doing of it you the process by going
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through the doing you find out if you
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really like it or not. I did radio,
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>> you know, I didn't know what I was doing
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in first, but you know, I just started
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to learn about how to work the the the
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panel and all of that first and then I
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really enjoyed radio. It was instant.
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And then I even tried reporting and
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researching and television New Zealand
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back in the days. They had
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>> Didn't you do a journalism course?
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>> Yep, I did a journalism course. That's
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what led to um my job at TVNZ as a
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reporter researcher for programs like
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Waka Hoya and we had another program
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called Kohaa back in the day. Actually,
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Koha was the last film I was the last
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program on television that used film,
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you know, before digital came along. So,
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I I worked on that program up and with
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Ernie Leonard and all those people up at
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the Maldi department and TVNZ. Great
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job, actually. I really enjoyed it. And
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I loved uh there was another job I had
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for Wakahya researching. So I would get
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to drive the the car and go around the
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country and talk to some of the uh the
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wise people
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>> and um then try and jack them up at time
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so we can get a crew down to record. At
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that time when we were working in the
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Maldi department, they wanted to to film
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as many native speakers of our language
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of Maldi Tel and try and record as much
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as we could well you know with the ones
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that were still alive. So I really
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enjoyed that too going around
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>> sometimes. Um
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sometimes I had to go ahead of the
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people and um I had this boss called
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Horna who was a Reverend Reverend Horna.
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He was my boss. He turned up in Wonganui
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once. He goes, "Tim, who have you got
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who have you got me to talk to?" Uh
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well, I haven't found anybody. Haven't
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found anybody. But I found the pub. I
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found the public bar and I found a boil
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up. We'll start there.
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He wasn't impressed. He wasn't
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impressed. But at the pub there were all
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the people you could talk to and they
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knew everyone to talk to. So it was
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good. Then he got a boil up as well. So
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I knew to go to the local pub, local
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public bar, talk to the people in there,
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find out who were the elders in the
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area.
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>> Just few shortcuts that I learned. Yeah.
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Very clever clever researcher. I was
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>> I saw an interview with Russell Crow the
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other day. Do you know Russell Crow at
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all or very well?
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>> I spoken to him on the phone.
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>> Right. That's it. briefly
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>> about a movie, but he never got back to
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me.
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>> Now you know what it feels like.
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>> He never got back to me.
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>> So he he's 61. You're 65. Um
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>> let's not go there. We still want the
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young roles.
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>> A quote from Russell Crow. He said, um,
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as you get older, the roles shrink. I'm
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61. To be as employable as I am is still
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a big surprise. So what what do you
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think is the key for longevity
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>> in our business?
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>> Yeah. Well, you you're you're the same
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as um Russell Crow in a lot of respects.
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and that you're still highly employable.
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>> Well, try keeping your faculties
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together. That'll be your number one.
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And your good looks probably. Uh health.
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I think health and fitness comes into
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play a lot of it because you know um
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wear and tear a at our age now. But um
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I think it's timing too. It's just
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timing. I've been blessed. Um something
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always comes along. just something
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always comes along right at the right
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when you just think I got to find a real
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job, the phone will ring again. So, um
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um
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>> you did sort of have a career there was
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would it be fair to say there was a
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career slump?
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>> Oh, yeah. My my bloody whole career has
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been a big slump sometimes, but rubbish.
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>> But it picks up again.
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>> No, there are times where you sort of
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just I remember going talking about my
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buddy Mike earlier. I'd be going to have
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Bro, I got a job. Got a job. Shoot my
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video. Shoot my video. And then I'll
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send it off, you know, really wanting to
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work over there. But um that's
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those are all um
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you know, you don't get every audition,
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that's for sure. So um
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just just persevered. I think I just
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persevered and then just something would
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come along right at the right time.
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Um,
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I think it's just had a, you know, once
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you decide to work out there in the real
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world with no kind of salary, you kind
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of choose that lifestyle. So, it's
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always uncertain.
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But, yeah, just carry on, I think,
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carried on, I think.
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>> When I first went to um
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when I first went to Hollywood, it was
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once we're warriors. It was once we're
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warriors that really helped that
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journey, you know, that movie. So, so
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that shook shook it up and then and then
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and then people see that and people in
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the industry see that. So, you get a bit
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of um
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>> momentum
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>> momentum or playback see like Russell,
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let's go back to Russell, let's say. I
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think he did a movie called Rompa
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Stomper.
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>> Yeah, the skin one.
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>> Yeah, the skinny head one. But then he
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got noticed, right? You look at uh movie
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like Bended Like Beckham, you know,
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little lowbudget film about a girls
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playing soccer and then she gets noticed
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next minute you see her in the film like
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The Full Monty, another movie that was
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uh small, lowbudget, but then you see
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them in the Hollywood movies
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>> like Slum Dog Millionaire. Now you see
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him, he's directing and and acting and
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everything now. So, so that is really
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important if you want to work in
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Hollywood having that movie to to open
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the door, you know, and then it and then
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a kind of you're in flavor for for a
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while for a little bit and then someone
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else's movie comes out and then it's
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their turn to do the circuit. I had a
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good one though. I had a very good run.
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You know, I remember once we were always
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then I did Barbwa with Pamela Anderson
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and uh it wasn't the like uh my agent in
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LA wasn't very happy about me doing that
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and my agent in New Zealand I just
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thought oh I just want to go to
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Hollywood just say I've been to
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Hollywood you know just do one movie and
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that's all I was thinking really. So I
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said yes to Barbwire. Apparently
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Pamela's making a bit of a comeback
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these days too. They might even do a
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barb wire TV show re soon. But anyway,
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>> and then uh that's how it started.
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>> Barbwire and then a few other things
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after that. Things like speed two, six
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days, seven nights had a bit of a roll
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actually, a roll effect, roll on effect
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and then it dies down a bit.
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>> Dies down a bit. You really got to be
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>> doing those performances that shake them
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up a little bit, shake the room up a
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little bit. So after the movie they kind
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of and it's hard to find those ones
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though you know those kind of movies you
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know like Warriors very rarely come
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around but
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there's um yeah well I mean there was so
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much in that answer and I'm like that's
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right we got to talk about that we got
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to talk about there's there's so much to
00:16:18
unpack when when people come up to you
00:16:19
now what do they what do they if there
00:16:21
was a Tim Morrison bingo card what is it
00:16:23
the Guatemala line the eggs line the
00:16:25
Jedi line what what do they want you to
00:16:28
say on video a few of them.
00:16:30
>> Um,
00:16:33
sometimes they want Boba Fett to say uh
00:16:36
answer their telephone, you know, and
00:16:40
say, "Can you see Boba Fett here? Uh,
00:16:44
Lionel's uh engaged at the moment. Call
00:16:47
him back later or something." And he
00:16:48
just want silly things like that. Or
00:16:50
cook me some eggs. Yeah, I got that one,
00:16:52
too. You're not in Guatemala now. It's
00:16:54
funny how I ended up with all these
00:16:55
>> Yeah, you didn't even say that line
00:16:57
sayings. No. That line was said to you.
00:16:59
>> Yeah, I know. Everyone else said I was
00:17:00
standing at the lights once in Ponson
00:17:02
and I remember seeing someone in front
00:17:03
of me. They had a t-shirt on and on the
00:17:05
back it had uh
00:17:08
Dr. Oat's surgery Guatemala. I actually
00:17:12
wanted the t-shirt. I see that's cool.
00:17:14
Yeah. So, I made the t-shirt.
00:17:17
>> So, the earliest years we'll we'll start
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there and we'll build into the story.
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So, start with them.
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>> So, you're born uh 1960 in Rooua. Yeah.
00:17:25
>> Earliest memories. Oh gee, I can't even
00:17:27
remember that far.
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I just had a wonderful upbringing. Uh
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the Morrison family was a big part of
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the upbringing in Rodua. Um
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>> your uncle Howard Morrison
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>> Howard and all their kids. Uh and all
00:17:42
the my dad's sisters, their kids, the
00:17:45
Mitchells. And so one of the biggest
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things we had when we were young was an
00:17:51
auntie and uncle called Auntie Dinner
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and Uncle Trevor Maxwell. And they would
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bring us all together to uh teach us how
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to play guitar, teach us the haka, teach
00:18:01
us the girls some po, teach the uh and
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we ended up with all my cousins, first
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cousins, we had about 17 18 of us I
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think in the in our group. And so that
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was the introduction to to
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entertainment. Um, even when our dad
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used to get back from the hotel, um,
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those six o'clock closing days,
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we were always woken up to sing him and
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his mates some songs or tunes, get up in
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the middle of the night, sing them some
00:18:28
stuff, go back to bed again. So, it was
00:18:30
very a musical upbringing there and
00:18:33
cultural upbringing. And the family
00:18:35
always used to get together, too. Not
00:18:37
only for Uncle Howard used to call us in
00:18:39
for some of his shows. Uh we'd always do
00:18:42
some cultural elements in in our uncle's
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show. We then we grew up a little bit
00:18:47
and more then we do some hucker. We end
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up on the road with them a couple of
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times. And then on my mother's side,
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well they were from a place called
00:18:53
Hungatiki and we had a farm there and my
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grandparents lived on the farm. It was
00:18:59
130 acres I think and he milked cows. So
00:19:03
I used to love that going back to the
00:19:04
farm getting out of Rotoda
00:19:06
>> going back and our grandfather was good
00:19:07
horseman too. So we could ride horses.
00:19:10
Uh we would go down milk the cows 4:30
00:19:13
in the morning. He take his two cream
00:19:15
cans out to the road every day. That was
00:19:18
his job. Did that hardly ever left the
00:19:20
farm. I remember I took him to
00:19:22
Oakuckland once. He wanted to go home
00:19:23
straight away. But that was a beautiful
00:19:25
upbringing there working on the farm
00:19:27
with our grandparents going eing at
00:19:29
night. Uh you know using the hoohoo bug.
00:19:32
Um
00:19:34
hard work though
00:19:36
>> pulling ragwood out. So it was a
00:19:38
beautiful kind of
00:19:40
uh you know both families big big
00:19:42
families
00:19:44
a lot of love a lot of um getting
00:19:48
together a lot of singing especially on
00:19:49
the Morrison side. So I was blessed you
00:19:51
know to get that um on both sides see my
00:19:55
granddad work so hard and learn how to
00:19:57
ride a horse and that kind of stuff. And
00:20:00
then on the other the Morrison side that
00:20:02
was more you know Uncle Howard and
00:20:04
growing up with the families there.
00:20:07
Yeah. So very blessed. Very blessed.
00:20:10
>> And you were the fifth born. Uh the
00:20:12
first son in your family. I've got a
00:20:13
photo here. That's you in the middle.
00:20:14
>> Very good. Very good. Very good photo
00:20:16
there. That's me in the middle.
00:20:17
>> You're in the middle. Yeah. And you
00:20:19
>> there eight in our family in the end.
00:20:21
>> And is it small small house? You you top
00:20:23
and tailed with some of your siblings.
00:20:24
>> Yep. Only had two bedrooms in our state
00:20:27
house. So, five of us had to sleep in
00:20:29
the same bed. Uh, two down that end,
00:20:32
three down the other end. Then my sister
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had a tidying. She loved to tidy up. She
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loved us. She had to get us up in the
00:20:39
middle of the night for some reason and
00:20:41
remake the bed again. So, there we all
00:20:42
standing there half asleep. But yeah,
00:20:45
and it was two wheat bricks for
00:20:46
breakfast after school, cup of tea, and
00:20:49
a runaround. That was about it.
00:20:51
>> Um, yeah. Quite humble beginnings
00:20:53
really.
00:20:54
>> Not a lot of money, but a lot of love.
00:20:55
>> A lot of love. A lot of love. extended
00:20:57
family. We hung out with them a lot too.
00:20:59
Big extended family too. That's where
00:21:01
all the love from because Uncle Al used
00:21:02
to travel around the world a lot. So my
00:21:04
cousins used to live up the road from
00:21:06
me. So I was be always up there
00:21:07
>> especially when Uncle Howard came back
00:21:09
from overseas from some always have the
00:21:12
some toys for the kids. So I'd get one
00:21:14
too every now and then. A lot of love, a
00:21:16
lot of close aunties.
00:21:17
>> And again, that's where our culture
00:21:19
started when two auntie Den and Uncle
00:21:21
Trip would practice get us practicing
00:21:23
and we would have fun too. We used to
00:21:26
watch the rugby league as well, you
00:21:27
know, when it was on late at night. Must
00:21:29
be all those English games back in the
00:21:31
day. We used to love playing slow, we
00:21:33
invented slow motion rugby league, so we
00:21:35
could play in the play in the lounge
00:21:37
without breaking all the all the
00:21:39
furniture. So we had to play slow motion
00:21:41
rugby league and then there was a lot of
00:21:44
culture too. Then that led us also to go
00:21:46
out to the to the Marai and do the
00:21:50
kapahaka too. You know, we were, you
00:21:52
know, even when I was going through the
00:21:53
boarding school, we'd go do the Kapahaka
00:21:55
competition. So, the culture was a big
00:21:57
part of my upbringing. The Kapahaka was
00:21:59
a big part of it. And that was my
00:22:01
grounding really. Kapaka gives you that
00:22:03
confidence.
00:22:05
You're breathing, you're singing about
00:22:07
your ancestors. It's like the haka.
00:22:08
You're standing there, you're stamping,
00:22:10
you know, trying to find the energy. So,
00:22:13
so I I can't say much. You know,
00:22:16
a lot of my performance, I'm lucky I was
00:22:19
grounded in my Kapahaka and that that
00:22:21
really was my theater training too in a
00:22:24
way where we'd practice our 20-minute
00:22:27
bracket and we go compete against all
00:22:29
the rest of the groups in New Zealand.
00:22:31
Sometimes we'd win, sometimes we come
00:22:33
nowhere and we're on the bus back home
00:22:34
again. But, you know, everyone gave up
00:22:35
their time, gave up their weekends to go
00:22:38
and compete. So, I really used to love
00:22:40
that. That was my buzz. M.
00:22:43
>> And then I thought, well, one day I'll
00:22:44
go to Oakland and uh try this acting
00:22:47
thing out. I think
00:22:49
>> I think my uncle started a course.
00:22:50
That's what happened.
00:22:51
>> He started a course called Spats.
00:22:54
>> That's right. This is like the New
00:22:54
Zealand version of the TV show Fame.
00:22:56
>> Exactly. That a special performing arts
00:22:59
training scheme, Spats. Uh we had Joanna
00:23:02
Joanna Paul teach us and a guy called
00:23:05
Robin Luicki and they were our teachers.
00:23:07
So there was about 20 of us, people like
00:23:10
Margaret Erlich, people like Kim
00:23:12
Willoughby, people like Jane Langaya and
00:23:14
quite a few other Annie Crumma was
00:23:16
around us then too. So
00:23:17
>> and we were being used, you know, we
00:23:19
were a group so we used to meet we had
00:23:22
to be on the dole too. So most of us
00:23:24
were on the dole and um we'd get
00:23:26
together, learn music, learn dancing,
00:23:28
learn singing.
00:23:30
>> Um
00:23:31
>> no, I believe you you had a job prior to
00:23:33
that. You work at Moldi Affairs and then
00:23:35
you had to quit your job. So you'd be on
00:23:37
the dole so you were eligible for this
00:23:39
course.
00:23:39
>> Yeah, that's right. That's right. I was
00:23:41
I actually had an office job in Rotura
00:23:44
>> in Maldi affairs and I was like placed
00:23:46
around the other government departments
00:23:48
too. I even worked in the magistrate's
00:23:49
court filing
00:23:51
just filing filing every day. Put that
00:23:53
file next to that file. Put that number
00:23:55
next to that number. I said oh my god
00:23:56
I'm sure there's better things out there
00:23:58
than filing and seeing all my relations
00:24:01
come to court anyway. Yeah, I worked in
00:24:03
the probation service for a little bit.
00:24:05
Um, yeah, that's right. Then I had to
00:24:07
get on the dole to be eligible to
00:24:09
qualify for this performing arts course.
00:24:12
And that was a big that was a big mover
00:24:13
for me too, just leaving Rodua.
00:24:16
>> Remember coming up to Oakuckland even
00:24:18
looking at the buildings go, wow, wow,
00:24:20
wow, look where we are. And I I had a
00:24:22
sister stay up here too. So I was able
00:24:23
to stay with her. Then I joined this
00:24:25
performing arts course and that was my
00:24:28
introduction to things like uh being an
00:24:30
extra
00:24:32
>> on there was a police show called
00:24:34
Mortimus Patch. I had one line on that
00:24:37
show an extra line. Um
00:24:41
there were other kind of shows that but
00:24:43
our group was being used all the time as
00:24:44
extras and TV and things like that.
00:24:47
Yeah.
00:24:49
>> One more question just going back to
00:24:51
your childhood. So your your dad Lori y
00:24:53
you lost him at the age of 14 in a car
00:24:56
crash.
00:24:56
>> Car accident. Yes.
00:24:57
>> Um
00:24:58
>> yeah. What what impact? Yeah. What are
00:25:00
your recollections of that? 14's a
00:25:02
strange time in life to to lose your
00:25:04
dad.
00:25:04
>> It's a horrible time losing your dad as
00:25:05
well and then sort of just not knowing
00:25:07
what the hell's going on here and all
00:25:09
the It was a big funeral too. I could
00:25:11
tell he was very well loved out there.
00:25:14
He was a original member of the Howard
00:25:15
Morrison quartet. Great singer too.
00:25:17
>> He was called He was like a Dean Martin
00:25:19
of New Zealand. He could sing like Dean
00:25:21
Martin now, my dad. So, so a little bit
00:25:23
of that rubbed off, I think. And he
00:25:25
always used to say when I'd be in the
00:25:27
bath or come back from rugby. Rugby was
00:25:29
another big part, too. The girls played
00:25:30
rugby. I mean, the boys played rugby and
00:25:32
the girls played netball. That's how it
00:25:35
went. So, I played rugby and rugby
00:25:37
league actually growing up.
00:25:39
>> And uh
00:25:39
>> and all the girls played net ball
00:25:42
>> and um yeah. M
00:25:46
>> and you did when your dad passed um Sir
00:25:48
Howard Morrison said something to you
00:25:50
like um your shoulders back, chin up.
00:25:53
You're the man of the house now.
00:25:54
>> I remember that.
00:25:55
>> Feels like a lot of responsibility.
00:25:56
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'll say especially in the
00:25:58
middle of the night. Up to you now, boy.
00:26:00
Look after the family. You don't really
00:26:02
know it at the time. Everyone's quite
00:26:04
emotional.
00:26:05
>> It was very emotional time for
00:26:06
everybody. So,
00:26:08
>> what what impact did that have on you
00:26:09
losing your dad at that stage of life?
00:26:11
>> Um I think we just had to get on with
00:26:13
it. I think mom was still there. So, we
00:26:15
just carried on.
00:26:16
>> I think we sort of loosened up a little
00:26:18
bit cuz dad was quite strict on us.
00:26:21
>> Um, our mom would have all of us on our
00:26:23
hand each and our hair massage so we
00:26:25
could stay up and light a bit later and
00:26:27
watch TV, one on each foot
00:26:30
massaging each, but just any excuse to
00:26:32
stay up a bit later. Then, as soon as we
00:26:34
hear the car drive in the driveway, we
00:26:36
all run into bed and pretend we're
00:26:37
asleep. Maybe that was the beginning of
00:26:39
my acting.
00:26:43
Yeah, you were you you were even though
00:26:45
you had these other jobs that you
00:26:46
alluded to before um you were destined
00:26:48
to be an actor I believe like as a as a
00:26:50
teenager you were obsessed with Young
00:26:51
and the Restless.
00:26:53
>> Yes. Yes. I used to go to Wesley College
00:26:56
and many a time we'd been racing we'd be
00:26:59
racing out of class to watch the
00:27:00
lunchtime version of uh Young and the
00:27:02
Restless
00:27:04
and then try and get back to Yeah. try
00:27:06
and get back to school work.
00:27:08
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, we used to love Young
00:27:09
and the Restless and Days of Our Lives
00:27:12
and Yeah. Funny thing at Wesley College.
00:27:15
>> Yeah.
00:27:16
>> So then um after the SPATs um you
00:27:19
special perform performing arts training
00:27:21
scheme um there's a series of jobs gloss
00:27:23
which is um iconic I think
00:27:25
>> gloss patch that you talked about
00:27:27
before. Um the piano you weren't you you
00:27:29
were involved in the piano but you
00:27:31
weren't in the piano.
00:27:32
>> No I ended up um working on the piano
00:27:34
but in the crew. Um, I was working on
00:27:37
radio at the time and I'd put the call
00:27:39
out, hey, hey, on my radio station, who
00:27:41
wants to be in the movies? Meet here,
00:27:43
blah, blah, blah. And then I had about a
00:27:45
couple hundred people turn up there,
00:27:47
probably all my listeners. So, they all
00:27:48
turned up for a part in the movie. And
00:27:50
Jane Campion turned up and she was quite
00:27:52
impressed with what I had organized.
00:27:54
>> And there was a big moldy element in the
00:27:56
in the film piano. A lot of it got cut
00:27:58
out, but
00:27:59
>> but that was fantastic. And that's when
00:28:00
I really saw uh acting, serious actors,
00:28:03
because we had Harvey Kitel out of out
00:28:06
of New York. We had Holly Hunter,
00:28:09
>> Sam Neil, very good friend of mine,
00:28:12
>> still very close, and our very own Anna
00:28:15
Pacwin. So, um,
00:28:16
>> so was just a wonderful experience to
00:28:18
sit with Jane. My job was basically,
00:28:20
boys, boys, uh, carry the piano up that
00:28:23
hill there.
00:28:25
Try not to speak English. Okay, you
00:28:27
fellas don't know any English yet.
00:28:31
Okay, boys. Lunch time. Lunch time.
00:28:33
Okay, boys. Yes. Oh, that was my job.
00:28:35
So, it was a great job. And then to
00:28:37
watch I'd always watch Harvey. Then I'd
00:28:39
watch Sam and watch Holly
00:28:42
because I was right into acting back
00:28:44
then. I said, "This is what I'm going to
00:28:45
do. I'm going to do." And then I think
00:28:46
it was probably the last few weeks of
00:28:49
the piano.
00:28:51
I got to know Sam a bit better then on
00:28:52
the piano too. He would always hang out
00:28:54
with the boys and all the extras.
00:28:56
Quite funny though, watching some of the
00:28:57
moldy boys, the extras pushing uh
00:28:59
pushing Harvey Kitel out of the shot so
00:29:01
they could get there.
00:29:03
>> Boys, boys, don't don't do that. Don't
00:29:05
do that. That's the lead. That's the
00:29:06
main actor. Don't push him out, please.
00:29:08
>> Yeah.
00:29:09
>> Yeah. Quite funny. Had some good humor
00:29:11
humorous times, too. But um
00:29:13
>> that was a great movie. Yeah. And
00:29:16
Penguin won the Oscar for that.
00:29:17
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. What a performance to
00:29:20
beautiful
00:29:21
>> beautiful young kid at the time. She's
00:29:22
just so natural. Remember, kids don't
00:29:24
act. They they just they just be
00:29:27
>> I don't know what happens to us adults
00:29:28
but she what a performance. Even Holly
00:29:30
was blamed. Remember Holly
00:29:32
>> couldn't speak in that movie. So she had
00:29:33
to do everything through looks. E
00:29:36
>> and what a performance. Did she win the
00:29:37
Oscar as well? I can't remember.
00:29:39
>> I can't remember. Yeah. And a Penguin
00:29:41
did. I'm not sure who else won Oscars
00:29:42
from that movie. Was great movie though.
00:29:44
Just such a classic. And then after
00:29:46
after that Shortland Street Shortland
00:29:47
Street.
00:29:48
>> That's right. I asked Jane after Jane I
00:29:49
have to leave a bit early. I've got a
00:29:50
job on the soap. So I'm very excited
00:29:53
about too because it's my first real
00:29:54
kind of acting acting acting job to play
00:29:57
Dr. Oath.
00:29:58
>> Yeah. And in terms of that original 19
00:30:01
1992 1992 I think it was cast of
00:30:03
shortness. I've had Michael Galvin on
00:30:04
the podcast. Carl Bernett and Martin
00:30:06
Henderson and now and now you um what
00:30:09
are your
00:30:10
>> good mates of mine we all
00:30:12
>> Carl was the young guy back then. Yeah.
00:30:14
I still have
00:30:15
>> Nick Harrison.
00:30:16
>> Nick Harrison. Yeah. I used to feel
00:30:17
sorry for him all the time but I had to
00:30:19
Dr. But I had to go stay with Nick's
00:30:20
home and I got quite close. I don't
00:30:22
know. I couldn't couldn't figure out why
00:30:24
I couldn't have my own pad, but I had to
00:30:26
go stay with Nick.
00:30:27
>> You're a doctor.
00:30:28
>> Yeah. What's wrong with this?
00:30:30
>> Well, what's what's up with my pay?
00:30:33
>> Yeah. And Galvin and all them had Flash
00:30:35
houses back to go to, but I had to go
00:30:37
board at Jen Jenny's house, wasn't it?
00:30:39
>> I don't know.
00:30:40
>> Oh, we had a lot of fun on that short
00:30:41
street. Yeah.
00:30:42
>> What What are your um Yeah. What are
00:30:43
your recollections of that time? because
00:30:45
um I remember it was panned at the time
00:30:48
when it came out. It was brutal. It was
00:30:50
savage.
00:30:50
>> They had we had the guy come over from
00:30:53
Grundy's to sort of monitor our cuz they
00:30:56
had been doing it for a while, but this
00:30:58
was the first time we had done a seven
00:31:01
seven day a week soap. So yeah. Yeah. It
00:31:04
was just it was new and yeah, we're
00:31:06
breaking we're breaking new ground
00:31:08
there. We just uh the guy from Grundy's
00:31:11
just told us to watch out when you could
00:31:12
get sent into the uh you could be sent
00:31:15
down the road to get the milk or or be
00:31:17
put in the in the you know go get the
00:31:21
something out of the locker room and you
00:31:23
mightn't come out again. So he so
00:31:26
actually I think it was the ambulance
00:31:27
driver that first
00:31:29
first got fired. So then we all go, "Oh
00:31:31
my god, we better get our better get our
00:31:33
act together otherwise we'll be fired."
00:31:35
I actually thought I was going to be
00:31:36
fired one day and um I got called to the
00:31:39
producers's office.
00:31:42
Katarina Dave was her name
00:31:45
and um she sat me down said, "Tim,
00:31:49
you're the thinking woman's bit of
00:31:51
fluff."
00:31:53
Which I still don't know what that
00:31:54
means. Keep smoldering
00:31:57
was my instructions.
00:31:59
You're the thinking woman's bit of
00:32:00
fluff. Keep smoldering. So that's when I
00:32:03
came up with the smoldering look cuz
00:32:07
if you're the actor on the last shot of
00:32:09
the last episode, well, you got to hold
00:32:11
that look cuz then the credits roll up,
00:32:14
you know, just to hold that suspense. So
00:32:16
I had to come up with the
00:32:19
smoke coming out of my ears. Look, is
00:32:22
that like your version of Blue Steel?
00:32:25
>> And what it is, Dom, is an acting trick
00:32:29
here, which I'll share with all the
00:32:30
other actors. You just pretend smoke is
00:32:33
coming out your right ear or both ears
00:32:39
and maybe pelt the lips a little bit
00:32:43
and then you hold it so they can get the
00:32:46
credits flowing.
00:32:47
>> Yeah.
00:32:47
>> Yeah. I used to love those end of
00:32:49
episode shots closeup. I used to call
00:32:53
that that's the closeup there. And down
00:32:56
here is the MCU. The Maldi closeup I
00:33:00
used to call it. It's the mid closeup,
00:33:02
but I used to call it the mai closeup.
00:33:04
>> See, you were like a sex symbol at the
00:33:05
time. Is it was this was this when you
00:33:07
were
00:33:07
>> I wouldn't say that.
00:33:08
>> But you
00:33:09
>> I was hunky sometimes. I was in the
00:33:10
magazine. Hunky. What does that word
00:33:13
mean? Hunky.
00:33:14
>> A hunk. That means Yeah, I'd say that
00:33:16
would that would make you a sex symbol
00:33:18
at the time.
00:33:19
>> Yes.
00:33:20
>> And you were was this about the time
00:33:22
>> that's when I had hair.
00:33:24
>> You had hair everywhere. You did a a
00:33:27
centerfold for Cleo magazine.
00:33:28
>> No, let's not talk about that. Yeah.
00:33:29
That was the stupidest idea of my life.
00:33:32
And what happened there was Wendle, that
00:33:34
lady Wendell who ran all the magazines,
00:33:36
>> Wendle Niss,
00:33:37
>> that's her name, she took my agent,
00:33:40
Robert the Bruce, for lunch, dinner, and
00:33:42
another lunch, I heard,
00:33:45
and managed to persuade him
00:33:48
to who persuaded me to go out there in
00:33:51
Bethl's Beach and hide my little peewee
00:33:54
behind a leaf.
00:33:57
And someone stuck it on the bloom and
00:33:59
weather report too. I think somebody was
00:34:01
doing the weather and then instead of
00:34:02
putting the map of New Zealand, they
00:34:03
stuck me up there. Oh my god. It was the
00:34:06
clear that that magazine didn't last
00:34:08
very long. Have you got a copy of it?
00:34:10
Anyway, I I I Googled it. I couldn't
00:34:12
find it online.
00:34:13
>> Thank Christ for that.
00:34:16
>> Well, do do you think back on that now?
00:34:19
Um like it may have been embarrassing at
00:34:20
the time, but um you know, you look back
00:34:22
now as a 65 year old man. Yeah. No
00:34:24
regrets about doing that surely. Well, I
00:34:26
just it happened so I can't do much
00:34:28
about it.
00:34:29
>> But at that time I was um I was on a bit
00:34:33
of a run bit of a roll too I think to
00:34:35
you know I did two three years Shortland
00:34:38
Street then once we're warriors came out
00:34:40
uh they were looking for that for Jake
00:34:43
and I was still doing um Shortland
00:34:45
Street and my boss um Paul Gittens who
00:34:50
played Dr.
00:34:50
>> McKenna
00:34:52
>> him and I used to room together out
00:34:54
there in Shortland Street. So, so,
00:34:58
so when Warriors came around
00:35:01
the audition process, I I used to
00:35:03
because Paul was very good actor, very
00:35:05
very good actor, very um well theater
00:35:09
trained as well. So, I'd always use him
00:35:12
to uh discuss my acting roles and things
00:35:15
like that. He helped me out a lot too
00:35:16
with Jake for that part of Jake because
00:35:18
we're all nervous.
00:35:20
>> I was actually originally going to play
00:35:21
Uncle Bully, I think, and then Cliff got
00:35:23
that then they called me into Read for
00:35:26
Jake. Read for Jake. So, um,
00:35:30
yeah, it's just funny how it worked out.
00:35:31
>> I got a I got a quote from you. Um, a
00:35:34
lot of people thought I didn't have what
00:35:36
it took to play Jake the M. I was one of
00:35:38
those people.
00:35:39
>> Yep. Yep. Very much so. Even Paul had
00:35:42
his wife.
00:35:43
>> Why would you Don Sin, my casting agent,
00:35:46
there was a lot of them. Well, it was
00:35:47
mainly because I was um
00:35:50
>> I didn't know what I was doing really.
00:35:51
And Jake was just, you know, I read the
00:35:54
book and I just loved the character,
00:35:55
too, but uh he he was a long way from me
00:35:58
really.
00:35:59
>> He he is you're one of the you like
00:36:01
you're you're I'd say you're a charmer
00:36:03
or even even a people pleaser to a
00:36:05
degree like uh you I've been with you in
00:36:07
social settings and you can you don't
00:36:09
need to be the center of attention. You
00:36:11
can quite happily just sort of sit there
00:36:12
and,
00:36:13
>> you know, melt into the crowd. Um but if
00:36:15
you are holding court, you're definitely
00:36:16
holding court and I can't imagine you
00:36:18
even losing your temper.
00:36:20
>> Yeah. Yeah. Now, there was one thing I
00:36:22
really had to work on. There was the
00:36:23
anger side of things, too.
00:36:26
>> I'd be driving out to Shortland Street
00:36:27
and someone would overtake me and I was
00:36:29
getting ready. That was a hard part
00:36:31
because I was still working on Shortland
00:36:32
Street. So, I couldn't really have the
00:36:34
time and clarity just to stop. I
00:36:36
actually worked on Shortland Street
00:36:39
right up to the Friday night. And I
00:36:41
actually broke the record that week
00:36:43
because I had to double up on all my
00:36:44
scenes. I did something like 54 scenes
00:36:46
in one week, which was a lot. And then I
00:36:49
literally had Saturday had a haircut
00:36:52
Saturday, Sunday some rehearsals with
00:36:55
the Rena and Monday we started rolling.
00:36:58
So I really only had that weekend, you
00:37:00
know, just to clear my mind of Dr. Roata
00:37:02
>> and then start on Warriors on the
00:37:04
Monday. But I was getting ready while I
00:37:06
was Dr. Oata
00:37:07
>> and the wardrobe ladies kept saying,
00:37:09
"Oh, you're starting to fill out your
00:37:11
doctor's coat, Tim." I was going down
00:37:12
the gym in Browns Bay just trying to put
00:37:14
on weight.
00:37:15
>> You put on like 9 kilos or something?
00:37:17
Yeah, a little bit. Mainly upper body.
00:37:18
Just had to pump out. Lucky I had
00:37:20
Robert.
00:37:21
>> We all used to train at Clive Greens
00:37:22
early in the morning and then go to
00:37:24
Shortland Street after that.
00:37:27
>> Um, Robert was in charge of that, too,
00:37:29
because I think he made a deal with Lee
00:37:30
Tomahori, uh, the wonderful director.
00:37:33
Hey, get this guy ready. So, he'd ring
00:37:36
if I wasn't in the gym, too. He'd be
00:37:37
ringing me. Where are you? Where are
00:37:38
you, bro? Get your ass down here. So,
00:37:41
yeah, it's one wonderful mornings at
00:37:43
Clive Greens putting on the weight. I
00:37:45
also worked with a guy called Lance
00:37:47
Revel. He was a good boxer,
00:37:48
>> Lance Revel. So, I based a lot of Jake
00:37:51
fighting style on Lance because we'd
00:37:53
sort of punched the bag a little bit.
00:37:56
>> Then they put me in a boxing ring. I
00:37:58
made a complete fool of myself. But
00:37:59
anyway, that was I think they wanted to
00:38:02
recast. They invited the director and
00:38:04
the producer along and then I ended up
00:38:06
getting Jakey ended up getting a big
00:38:09
hiding.
00:38:10
the the movie um yeah by all accounts
00:38:13
the the the movie everyone thought it
00:38:15
was going to be a flop like um you had
00:38:16
Lee Tamahori who was from an advertising
00:38:18
background hadn't done a movie before
00:38:20
>> movie
00:38:20
>> New Zealand Film Commission they they
00:38:22
they didn't think anyone was going to be
00:38:24
interested or watch a movie about
00:38:25
domestic violence uh you you didn't
00:38:28
think you were right for Jake the Mass
00:38:29
and no one else thought you could play
00:38:30
Jake the M
00:38:32
why did it all come together it's one of
00:38:34
the most successful
00:38:35
>> mainly Tommo the director just was just
00:38:38
knew knew his stuff all those hundred
00:38:40
commercials he made were little 30-cond
00:38:42
dramas.
00:38:43
>> So, he was looking for an urban story to
00:38:45
tell. Uh, it kind of worked out that
00:38:48
there was a company called Communicado
00:38:50
at the time, Neil Robertson, Gary Gary
00:38:53
and Robin Schulz. And I think they just
00:38:55
had a meeting one day and they said,
00:38:56
"Look, we need to branch out. We need to
00:38:58
diversify." Robin start making movies.
00:39:01
It was like that. Then someone had read
00:39:02
the book and they said, "Well, later on,
00:39:04
Robin, if you're going to make a movie,
00:39:06
read this book. Make this one." Then
00:39:08
that's how it happened. And I think she
00:39:10
went to look for Lee and Lee was looking
00:39:11
to do a urban kind of story and the book
00:39:14
was out and um yeah the rest is history
00:39:17
I guess.
00:39:18
>> Did you though to put that together just
00:39:20
his craft just the shots I don't and uh
00:39:25
if you look at a movie called Street Car
00:39:27
Named Desire old black and white film
00:39:29
Marlon Brondo
00:39:30
>> that was our model movie. So, um, Street
00:39:35
Car Named Desire, there's a guy called
00:39:37
Stanley Kowalsski, played by Brando, who
00:39:39
I got to meet many, many years later.
00:39:42
>> Um, that was the movie that we modeled
00:39:45
once we're warriors on. You know, they
00:39:47
do different things like, uh, bring the
00:39:50
roof down a little bit so I look taller,
00:39:52
you know, shoot me up this way. They
00:39:54
always had the camera down low on me,
00:39:56
looking up at me the whole time. And all
00:39:59
my shots were looking down at everybody.
00:40:01
So they made me a lot bigger. I wore big
00:40:04
boots too. I used to walk around
00:40:06
Devonport with these Demort with these
00:40:08
big boots on walking up and down the
00:40:10
road swearing my head off. People
00:40:12
thought I was crazy.
00:40:13
>> Yeah, because I mean you played the
00:40:15
character so well. You know, whenever
00:40:16
anyone hears Jake the Master, they
00:40:18
immediately picture you, I think,
00:40:19
especially in New Zealand. But in the
00:40:21
book, Jake's 6 foot something. He's got
00:40:23
giant fists like mix his hands.
00:40:25
>> That's right. In the book. Yeah.
00:40:27
>> There was one thing I was looking at,
00:40:28
too. I was looking at my hands every
00:40:29
day. I used to look at these, you know,
00:40:31
like a
00:40:33
>> your hands almost more petite than mine.
00:40:35
>> Petite, very small hands. And they used
00:40:36
to annoy me and I used to try and trying
00:40:39
to stretch them out bigger. But yeah,
00:40:40
just the description of Jake. He was a
00:40:42
big man. That's what I meant. I was
00:40:45
really too it was the the emotional
00:40:48
depth of Rena Owen that really got us
00:40:50
everybody hyped up to.
00:40:53
We really had to match her her inner
00:40:57
inner energy, her mana, her
00:41:00
those inner things that she could bring
00:41:02
to the table.
00:41:03
>> She'd be crying, all the tears be over
00:41:05
this table now. Even in the read
00:41:07
through, I'm sort of, oh my god. So
00:41:09
really,
00:41:11
and she was born to play that role for
00:41:13
some reason. There was no other to play
00:41:15
that. So,
00:41:16
>> Mhm.
00:41:17
>> So, we really had to work out just to
00:41:19
match her energy, just to match her her
00:41:21
mana, her ferocity as well. She'd soon
00:41:25
let you know too if you if you were
00:41:27
there or not.
00:41:28
>> I I I watched some of the scenes um
00:41:30
again on YouTube yesterday. Um did did
00:41:32
you ever accidentally hit her? How do
00:41:35
you how do you do those those scenes
00:41:36
without without actually hitting your
00:41:38
coaster
00:41:38
>> timing? Sometimes you hit them for real
00:41:40
if you're not getting the right. She
00:41:42
wanted to hit me a couple of times
00:41:43
because she wasn't getting the enough
00:41:45
reaction. So, so uh No, no, but Robert
00:41:48
did all our stunts. Robert Bruce um did
00:41:52
most of that stuff and uh
00:41:56
No, everyone think Yeah, I think we're
00:41:57
pretty good. She She's pretty physical
00:41:59
anyway, Rena. She's pretty physical
00:42:00
anyway. I might have slipped up a couple
00:42:02
of times, but
00:42:03
>> I always when it comes to this the
00:42:06
fighting stuff, I always just got to be
00:42:07
extra careful. That's all. It's all
00:42:08
those angles. So, yeah.
00:42:10
>> And it was just that
00:42:11
>> the ferocity of the character and the
00:42:13
way he sort of
00:42:14
>> um that's what I was trying to work on,
00:42:17
you know, when the guy walks in the
00:42:18
room,
00:42:19
>> you know, he's I wanted everyone just to
00:42:21
go,
00:42:23
>> you know, gez ge,
00:42:25
we don't know what he's going to do. Is
00:42:26
he going to slap her again? Is he going
00:42:28
to have a beer? Is he just going to walk
00:42:29
out? Is he going to tell a joke? So, I
00:42:31
just wanted to keep that kind of thing
00:42:33
there. And then um one day I was on an
00:42:36
airplane and the woman's refuge lady
00:42:38
saying you know your movie it inspired a
00:42:41
lot of women to ring us and was at that
00:42:43
time too. I was saying well gee that's a
00:42:44
good thing then if they could say hey my
00:42:47
life's like that
00:42:48
>> like that lady in the movie I want to do
00:42:50
something about it. So some positivity
00:42:53
come about it in that it opened
00:42:54
everybody up to
00:42:56
>> the discussion
00:42:58
>> to the discussion and all these things
00:43:00
that are
00:43:01
>> people sort of hide under the carpet and
00:43:03
surprising how many carpets there how
00:43:05
many houses that we're putting up with a
00:43:07
lot of that
00:43:08
>> and you're not you're not a method actor
00:43:10
like a Daniel D Lewis or something like
00:43:12
you just do the do the scene and when
00:43:13
the director says cut you stop. Um how
00:43:16
do you how do you do that with a
00:43:17
character like Jake? Like how do you how
00:43:18
do you
00:43:18
>> Jake was a bit different. And I sort of
00:43:20
hung in there for most of the time. Kept
00:43:21
my I know Daniel Day and them uh Lewis
00:43:24
and them just a phenomenal actor.
00:43:26
>> But they're in there the whole total
00:43:28
total day in day out day in day out. I
00:43:31
kind of get wears off after a little
00:43:33
bit. But for that one there, Jacob or
00:43:34
less did the method for that guy. I hung
00:43:37
in there. Just went to work. Went home
00:43:39
again. Just went to work. I got my mom
00:43:42
up to cook for me so I could put on some
00:43:43
weight and eat a lot. And uh but just up
00:43:47
here I had to keep keep him in there. I
00:43:49
wouldn't um I wouldn't stay late after
00:43:52
work. I just go straight home until
00:43:53
probably the last week I started to
00:43:55
relax a little bit. But it was a quite a
00:43:58
quick turnaround. It's only a fiveweek
00:43:59
shoot that movie. Just very quick turn
00:44:01
around.
00:44:01
>> Did Did it [ __ ] you up psychologically
00:44:03
at all?
00:44:03
>> Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Always go
00:44:05
through that because you want to be a
00:44:06
good actor. You want to make everyone
00:44:07
believe that's what you want to do.
00:44:09
That's what we're there for. We got to
00:44:11
make everyone believe that this is
00:44:12
happening.
00:44:13
>> It was tough on me cuz I had to rough up
00:44:15
the young girl at the time too, Anita.
00:44:18
at all who played Grace.
00:44:20
>> Yeah, there was a lot of me in there
00:44:22
literally yelling and screaming and
00:44:24
shaking her up physically. Lee would get
00:44:26
me to shake her up before and then we'd
00:44:29
roll the camera, roll the camera and
00:44:31
I'll just abuse her physically, slap her
00:44:33
around physically, hit her for real,
00:44:35
shake her up and then throw her in front
00:44:37
of the camera. Camera's rolling, go.
00:44:39
And then I remember about a couple of
00:44:41
weeks into it, I'm sort of yelling and
00:44:42
screaming and I could just tell the look
00:44:43
on her face it wasn't
00:44:46
I think she had worn off all my abuse
00:44:48
that kind of she kind of got used to it
00:44:50
and I could tell by the look on her eyes
00:44:52
she go and I said this is not working
00:44:55
anymore. Hey darling. No. Okay. Well, go
00:44:58
over there and do some acting now.
00:45:00
But yeah, that's what the director was
00:45:02
getting us. Even with Lee's direct, all
00:45:05
I just hear WAS THIS VICIOUS VICIOUS
00:45:07
VICIOUS VICIOUS ACTION. They'd be
00:45:10
yelling at me off off camera there.
00:45:13
>> Just just getting everyone just riled
00:45:16
up. Riley up. There's a big scene in the
00:45:17
pub when you know when I'm reading when
00:45:20
I'm reading the find out that it's Uncle
00:45:22
Bully, you know, before I beat before I
00:45:24
beat up Uncle Bully in the pub. That was
00:45:26
a big night.
00:45:28
Rena was on. Everybody was on too. The
00:45:31
the set was on fire.
00:45:33
All the extras were emotionally involved
00:45:35
and and then it come to my closeup.
00:45:39
Sorry, run out of time. I have to come
00:45:41
back in the morning.
00:45:43
Uh man, it was just hard to go back
00:45:45
there 7:00 in the morning, 6:30 in the
00:45:48
morning and try and pick it up. What we
00:45:50
had the night before was just buzzing.
00:45:53
>> But that's when you got to act a bit.
00:45:54
You got to go back in there and everyone
00:45:56
else has done their closeup except you.
00:45:58
So, and everyone's half asleep by the
00:46:00
time you wasn't the same vibe. That's
00:46:02
when you got to that's when your work's
00:46:04
cut out a little bit more.
00:46:06
>> Do do you do you know you're on to
00:46:07
something at the time when you're when
00:46:09
you're shooting it or
00:46:09
>> No. When do you realize you're on to
00:46:12
onto an absolute winner?
00:46:13
>> Podcast and crew screening
00:46:15
when we all went back to the SBQR which
00:46:17
our DOP used at the time Stuart Dberg.
00:46:21
>> And we all went back there and no one
00:46:22
was talking. It was dead quiet.
00:46:27
That's when I saw
00:46:30
Look around talking to someone. Look
00:46:32
around. No one's talking. We're all just
00:46:34
quiet and we're the ones that made it.
00:46:36
And so it affected us. It affected us in
00:46:38
a way.
00:46:40
>> How did you How did you find your old
00:46:42
self again after that? Did you need any
00:46:43
counseling or any therapy or anything?
00:46:46
>> I went straight back to Shortland Street
00:46:47
and started swearing at everybody.
00:46:53
literally on the Monday I went back
00:46:54
wrapped on Friday had the weekend off. I
00:46:57
had the hair coat
00:47:01
the SK
00:47:05
like it was a demon was like crazy and
00:47:07
Paul kittens all the other actors that
00:47:09
look we don't know where I think he's
00:47:11
still in Mexico or Guatemala these m
00:47:14
Jake's making his way back from Mexico
00:47:17
it was hilarious I just keep swearing
00:47:21
and then give people this
00:47:26
took me about probably a month to just
00:47:28
calm down a little bit. Oh, that's
00:47:30
right. Back to the soap bar. That's
00:47:31
right. That's right. Yeah. No, no
00:47:33
fighting here. No fight. Just hands in
00:47:34
pocket acting stethoscope. Okay. Come
00:47:36
come back to Dr. Lord. But
00:47:38
>> cuz I I suppose you unlock something.
00:47:40
>> Yeah.
00:47:41
>> You unlock unlock this character and
00:47:42
your brain doesn't know what's real and
00:47:44
what's acting.
00:47:44
>> Yeah, that's right. That's right. It was
00:47:46
just a weird time. It's a weird time.
00:47:48
>> And the phrase the phrase life-changing
00:47:50
gets uh thrown around quite a bit. But
00:47:53
yeah, would it be fair to say that role
00:47:54
was life-changing?
00:47:55
>> Yep. Definitely.
00:47:57
>> Yeah, definitely.
00:47:57
>> How so? In real terms.
00:47:59
>> Well, it's it's always there now. You
00:48:00
You create something,
00:48:03
>> you just create, you know, work with.
00:48:05
It's just Well, the movie was
00:48:07
life-changing really. And the whole
00:48:09
experience
00:48:10
life changing. I ran into Anita recently
00:48:12
on my Earth Up show. She was in uh I
00:48:15
invited She lives in Ken's funnily
00:48:16
enough. So, it was nice to catch up with
00:48:18
my uh Grace, who the woman woman who
00:48:21
played Grace. She got kids over there
00:48:22
now. So, it was nice to have a final
00:48:24
catch up with her, talk about those days
00:48:27
again.
00:48:28
>> Did you apologize for your technique of
00:48:31
>> Sorry about all those times I had to
00:48:32
shake up. Sorry about that. She was
00:48:35
beautiful, too. What a performance. She
00:48:36
actually came in with her friend and she
00:48:38
was playing table tennis and Don someone
00:48:40
seen her playing table tennis waiting
00:48:42
for her friend who was auditioning. So,
00:48:44
he called her in the next day to have a
00:48:45
go. That's how she got the part two. M
00:48:48
you you mentioned at the very start of
00:48:49
this podcast that you you do the work
00:48:51
then you maybe go to the premier
00:48:53
screening and then that's it. Have you
00:48:54
you never seen Once Warriors like in the
00:48:56
last
00:48:57
>> 30 years?
00:48:58
>> I see it on somewhere and I quickly
00:49:00
change the channel so I don't have to
00:49:01
watch it.
00:49:02
>> Really? Why?
00:49:03
>> I don't know. I don't want to watch it.
00:49:04
>> Yeah. Do when you're watching it, does
00:49:06
it feel like it does it do you It's you
00:49:08
obviously, but does it feel like you're
00:49:09
watching?
00:49:10
>> It just feels weird. Yeah. I don't know
00:49:11
why.
00:49:12
>> I just rather not watch it.
00:49:15
>> Yeah. What's Jeez, it's never It's not
00:49:18
an easy movie to watch at the best of
00:49:19
times. Eh,
00:49:21
>> and that opened doors. Um,
00:49:22
>> that's the one that's the one that
00:49:24
opened the doors.
00:49:25
>> Not that I knew it at the time. The
00:49:27
thing was at that time Warriors came out
00:49:29
and then um I I was trying to find an
00:49:33
agent in um in Hollywood at the time and
00:49:37
then I think I did the some festival
00:49:39
circuits. It got shown at the Sundance
00:49:42
Film Festival. Actually, I was there.
00:49:44
That's where that's how I got an agent
00:49:46
too because sort of come about and then
00:49:48
he heard of the movie and then it was
00:49:49
going to be at the Sundance kind of
00:49:52
everything was just happening.
00:49:54
Everything was just kind of happening.
00:49:55
It's a funny story but also at the same
00:49:57
time I think I got an audition
00:50:00
for a voiceover. Robert's calling me
00:50:02
Robert Bro, they want you to audition
00:50:04
for this voice over
00:50:06
and I kind of oh my god what the hell do
00:50:08
I have to audition for? See, that's ego
00:50:11
coming in too, thinking, "Oh, they see
00:50:13
me on Shortland Street or whatever, or I
00:50:15
don't know, bro, but they just wanted to
00:50:16
come in." And funny enough, I just read
00:50:18
a a book, you know, positive attitude
00:50:21
kind of book, and I was being negative.
00:50:23
I could tell. And then I suddenly
00:50:25
stopped because I thought of this book.
00:50:26
I
00:50:28
uh I wasn't even going to go in for the
00:50:30
audition. I said, "Ah, bugger." And then
00:50:33
I realized what I was doing. I was
00:50:34
identifying my ego was in the way there.
00:50:37
Wasn't listening to my agent probably.
00:50:39
So, I called him back and I said, "Very
00:50:40
sorry about that bad attitude. Uh, uh,
00:50:43
Robert, when's this audition? Uh, where
00:50:46
is it? I'll I'll go there immediately."
00:50:48
So, I went up there and what I had to
00:50:51
say was um, they showed me the
00:50:53
commercial and it was a air New Zealand
00:50:55
commercial with all these birds, the
00:50:57
Southern Alps, and Kiri Tako was singing
00:50:59
po
00:51:01
went for two minutes.
00:51:05
Then right at the end I had to say Air
00:51:07
New Zealand the airline of the world's
00:51:09
greatest travelers.
00:51:11
I went, "Oh, this is good. This is
00:51:13
good." So I blah blah play the music
00:51:15
again. Have the headphones on. And I
00:51:17
started bringing out my voice, my uh
00:51:19
voice over voice. Air New Zealand, the
00:51:23
airline of the world's greatest
00:51:25
travelers.
00:51:27
Okay, let me do it again. Let me do it
00:51:28
again. Air New Zealand, the airline of
00:51:32
the world's greatest tra Let me do it
00:51:34
again. I must have killed I'm killing
00:51:35
everybody now cuz now I'm doing take 20
00:51:37
now. Hang on. Let me do it again.
00:51:39
>> Too much positivity.
00:51:40
>> Yeah, I know. I'm going for it. I'm
00:51:42
going for it. I'm going for it. I
00:51:44
finally got one where I just had a Let
00:51:45
me add a little bit of smile in there
00:51:47
and a little bit more gravel.
00:51:50
Air New Zealand, the airline of the
00:51:52
world's greatest travel. It wasn't quite
00:51:54
like that, but anyway.
00:51:57
And then I get the call back.
00:52:00
I ring Robert. Did they like my voice?
00:52:02
Did they like my audition? Oh yes, bro.
00:52:04
They love it. Well, when do I go in and
00:52:06
do uh the real thing? Oh, no, no,
00:52:08
they're quite happy. You've done it all.
00:52:10
I said, um, okay. And a voiceover back
00:52:14
then probably got couple hundred bucks
00:52:16
for for your half a day session. This
00:52:20
was only like, you know, 10 minutes at
00:52:22
the most. So, I went back to Robert. I
00:52:25
said, "Charge them $10,000."
00:52:27
And he go,
00:52:29
"There's there's silence at the other
00:52:31
end of the phone."
00:52:32
Are you there?
00:52:34
or pro bro pro they'll never pay that oh
00:52:37
they'll never pay that are you working
00:52:39
for them or for me charge them $10,000
00:52:43
see what they say then we make go oh bro
00:52:46
they're going to pay it
00:52:49
they're going to pay it I just knew I
00:52:50
had this special quality in that in that
00:52:53
one little line to go with it cuz the
00:52:55
kit I think palak it just sounded nice
00:52:58
and so I kind of knew I just had one
00:53:00
special thing it would there was no
00:53:02
other voice like it
00:53:03
>> that's $1,000 per did.
00:53:05
>> Yep. And he got both going to pay it.
00:53:08
And I said, "Okay,
00:53:11
I don't want the money. I don't want the
00:53:13
money, but what I'll have is a $10,000
00:53:16
contra contra deal." So that's how I got
00:53:20
to Hollywood. I would go and ring the
00:53:22
lady up and use uh I think it was about
00:53:25
$1,500 to get to Los Angeles economy. So
00:53:28
I take my 1500 out of that get my
00:53:31
economy seat there about there and back
00:53:33
is actually return ticket too. So that's
00:53:35
how I got to Hollywood through that
00:53:36
commercial. Now if I evaluate that one
00:53:39
my ego was in the way. Two I went and
00:53:43
attended to the work itself.
00:53:46
Got rid of the ego and just dealt with
00:53:48
the job. Tried to do the best voiceover
00:53:51
I could possibly do. That landed me a
00:53:53
job with Air New Zealand. That got me to
00:53:56
Hollywood. I think I went about five or
00:53:58
six times using that Contra deal where I
00:54:02
got an agent and I was using it to go
00:54:04
and do some auditions and I got a couple
00:54:07
of auditions, very good auditions, too.
00:54:09
But then I had to leave Shortland Street
00:54:11
to actually finally get the job because
00:54:13
they wouldn't release me. A couple of
00:54:14
jobs I got,
00:54:15
>> but I got one job and I I forgot what it
00:54:17
was. I think it was um um Renee Harland
00:54:21
movie, like a pirate movie. and uh they
00:54:25
gave me the part. Then I couldn't get
00:54:27
off Shortland Street. So I had to leave.
00:54:28
I said, "Well, if I can get one job, I'm
00:54:30
sure I can get another one." So I
00:54:32
decided to leave Shortland Street, which
00:54:34
was a big big call for me because, you
00:54:36
know, we were making,
00:54:37
>> you know, very good money at the time.
00:54:38
And it was a great job. It was secure
00:54:40
job
00:54:42
>> and um I decided to go back to the
00:54:44
insecure job again and have a crack at
00:54:46
Hollywood.
00:54:47
>> But that's how it all happened. And at
00:54:49
that time it was just a timing thing
00:54:50
too. Everything was kind of going on.
00:54:52
Warriors had just come out and things
00:54:54
like that. So, um, sometimes you just
00:54:56
got to make that decision to go for
00:54:58
that,
00:54:59
>> you know, to go for that other kind of
00:55:01
thing that you might have.
00:55:03
>> Yeah, that's some great advice there.
00:55:05
>> Um, just thought I'd throw that in
00:55:06
there, too. Yeah.
00:55:07
>> And the, um, you you've worked with some
00:55:09
amazing people, and we'll run through
00:55:10
some names in a second, but I just want
00:55:12
to know one of your first movies. Um,
00:55:13
yeah, you mentioned this before, your
00:55:14
agent, Joe, who I've met.
00:55:16
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good man. Um,
00:55:18
>> he passed away.
00:55:19
>> Yeah, he passed away. Yeah.
00:55:22
>> Oh, I didn't know that. I'm sorry. She
00:55:24
said, "You've lost Robert and Joe."
00:55:26
>> Yeah.
00:55:27
>> It gets us all in the end, doesn't it?
00:55:29
>> Yeah. Robert passed away, too. That was
00:55:30
very sad.
00:55:31
>> So Joe um didn't want you to do He's
00:55:34
your agent. He didn't want you to do
00:55:36
barb wire. You Why did Why did you want
00:55:39
to do it? You're just like, "Ah, it's
00:55:40
Pam Hollywood. I want to go to
00:55:42
Hollywood." Pam Anderson was hot from
00:55:45
Baywatch at the time. Baywatch was big
00:55:47
big television show. And uh
00:55:49
>> yeah, I didn't worry about any of that.
00:55:50
He just was based on a comic. Um, yeah,
00:55:55
we're having big arguments about that,
00:55:56
but I decided to do it anyway and made
00:55:58
made my way to Hollywood and filmed that
00:56:00
in Los Angeles. So, it was it was a
00:56:02
buzz. Robert come to visit.
00:56:05
>> When you when you're doing a movie like
00:56:06
that, do like c can you tell if it's
00:56:08
going to be a good movie or a bad movie?
00:56:09
>> Not really. It was a lot of action.
00:56:12
>> I believe there's a funny story about
00:56:14
that. It was your first time using a
00:56:16
gun.
00:56:17
>> Yep.
00:56:17
>> True story.
00:56:18
>> True story. True story. I'll tell
00:56:20
everyone the story. I get this m the the
00:56:23
armor they call they come over and said,
00:56:24
"Oh, Jim, which gun would you like? The
00:56:27
AK
00:56:29
>> 47
00:56:29
>> 47 or the Uzi." And I just Uzi sounded
00:56:33
cuz I've seen all those Commando
00:56:35
Commando comic books growing up. You
00:56:37
remember the old Commando? And they all
00:56:39
had Uzi's in there. I need the Uzi. I
00:56:41
need the Uzi. So he's teaching me how to
00:56:43
work it.
00:56:44
>> And he said it moves. I try and keep it
00:56:45
steady. Load it up. I said, "Load, put
00:56:47
them in." And I'm hiding behind this
00:56:49
vehicle. Then I'm supposed to come
00:56:50
around and shoot all the baddies.
00:56:54
So I'm going like that. Action. Come
00:56:56
around
00:56:59
and do all the firing. Then I hear this.
00:57:00
Cut. Cut. Uh
00:57:04
Tim, come to the monitor, please. So I
00:57:07
run over to the monitor. Have a look.
00:57:08
Rewind this. Rewind. Rewind this. Uh
00:57:11
you're doing something silly with your
00:57:12
mouth or your lips or something. Rewind
00:57:14
it. Show Tim. So he's rewinding it. And
00:57:16
then I have a look. And there I am. I'm
00:57:18
going like this. D.
00:57:21
You're dead.
00:57:25
Then I told the director, I see what I'm
00:57:27
doing with my lips. I'm making the sound
00:57:29
effects. Sorry about that. He goes,
00:57:31
look, let's do it again. You don't have
00:57:33
to do the sound effects. We'll put them
00:57:34
in later. Okay. Okay. So, next take I'm
00:57:37
going like this.
00:57:40
Making sure my lips aren't going. Yeah,
00:57:43
but there was a kid and he just pops out
00:57:45
every now and then. Oh yeah,
00:57:48
>> I still got work after that movie. So
00:57:49
that was good. I went from Pamela
00:57:51
Anderson and I ended up working with
00:57:52
Brando.
00:57:53
>> Mhm.
00:57:54
>> On the island of Dr. Marome.
00:57:56
>> I don't know if that was after. Well,
00:57:58
no, it was well after actually.
00:57:59
>> He didn't he take a real shine to you?
00:58:01
>> He liked you.
00:58:03
>> Yes. Yes. Uh he's watched Warriors.
00:58:07
>> He watched Warriors. He sat down with
00:58:09
his PA and um the PA got to work the
00:58:12
next day and he she came up to me. Mind
00:58:14
you, we're all dressed as dog and half
00:58:16
dog, half human. So, Malon couldn't
00:58:19
really take any of us seriously because
00:58:20
he just looked at us and started
00:58:22
laughing go, "Oh my god." And um so as
00:58:25
you could see all the actors trying to
00:58:27
say something u you know with Maron
00:58:30
trying to make conversation like uh who
00:58:32
was the goatman? He was in the Biky
00:58:34
movie. Ron Ron Pearlman. Ron Pearman
00:58:37
famous for
00:58:38
>> Venick. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's dressed
00:58:40
up like a goat. He's got a goat head on
00:58:42
his and he's trying to talk to Maron
00:58:43
about something, but yeah, no one could
00:58:46
uh Maron couldn't take us all seriously.
00:58:47
But yeah, he had seen Warriors and um he
00:58:52
said, "Oh, I thought I was watching a
00:58:54
documentary." Very good work. Good work.
00:58:56
Good work. And then I had to say, "Oh, I
00:58:58
actually watched Street Car Named Desire
00:59:01
couple hundred times." uh so that was
00:59:04
the connection I and then funnily enough
00:59:06
I saw in Chicago Times I think when
00:59:09
Warriors come out they compared me to
00:59:11
Stanley Kowolski in this write up I said
00:59:13
oh this guy got it this guy got the he
00:59:16
got what we were doing here so yeah that
00:59:18
was about and even for Maron to sit down
00:59:20
and watch the film and just say uh very
00:59:23
good work very good work he thought he
00:59:25
was watching a documentary at times
00:59:27
that's what he said
00:59:28
>> unreal
00:59:29
>> do do you when when you were having a
00:59:31
conversation with someone like Um, are
00:59:32
you picking his brain for acting tips or
00:59:35
is it just conversations?
00:59:36
>> Well, I was doing it more on the day.
00:59:38
Doing one on the day. I'd actually be I'
00:59:40
decided to be uh cuz I was half dog,
00:59:42
half human, I decided to be Maron's
00:59:44
right-hand dog. So, no matter where he
00:59:46
went, I was just going to go with him. I
00:59:48
telling the director, I'm with Maron.
00:59:49
Wherever he goes, I'm his dog. I'm his
00:59:51
right-hand dog. So, I'd go in there and
00:59:54
watch him rehearse. Then I give him a
00:59:56
little bit of a water. I was trying to
00:59:58
just gauge his energy.
01:00:00
And he loved playing with his hands too.
01:00:02
He'd be doing a lot of hands. He'd love
01:00:04
playing with props.
01:00:07
And then some I bit nervous because he'd
01:00:09
just look at me and I start to jump in.
01:00:10
I would jump in. Then he'd say, "Never
01:00:13
anticipate my boy. Never anticipate, you
01:00:17
know, which is a good acting lesson to
01:00:19
you. Don't jump ahead of yourself. Makes
01:00:21
you but because he just everyone was
01:00:24
just on on their best behavior around
01:00:26
Brando." So So that's where he took a
01:00:28
liking to me. probably one of the only
01:00:30
actors that got invited back to his bus,
01:00:32
have a few peanuts with him. And he
01:00:35
started talking a little bit of Tahesian
01:00:37
Mai, which he knew cuz he spent all that
01:00:39
time in Tahiti, of course, cuz it was
01:00:40
raining outside. And Mar goes, "Oh,
01:00:42
hey."
01:00:45
Oh, did he just say, "Hey, raining." Oh,
01:00:48
see. So, it was just a nice moment.
01:00:52
So, I didn't ask. Actually, it was one
01:00:54
of those moments where I didn't know
01:00:55
what to ask him, but but he was all one
01:00:58
he's right into the indigenous movement,
01:01:00
too. Remember? Remember, he sent the
01:01:01
Indian up to get this Oscar.
01:01:04
>> Yeah, that's right.
01:01:05
>> Yeah, remember. So, he's been right
01:01:07
around the indigenous rights for a long,
01:01:08
long time, that man. But yeah, wonderful
01:01:11
man. Wonderful. I used to just watch him
01:01:13
just be in awe, watch him work.
01:01:17
He I even overheard him tell the
01:01:19
director who was John Frankenheimr at
01:01:21
the time. He's telling him to cut Val
01:01:23
Kilmer out of the movie. He's Maron's
01:01:25
going you don't need put this guy. He's
01:01:27
pointing at me. Put this guy in the
01:01:28
movie more. Put this guy
01:01:31
>> He's trying to cut Val out of the movie
01:01:32
and put me in more. So it was kind of
01:01:34
funny.
01:01:34
>> Oh, come that's what Iceman from Top
01:01:37
Gun. How was that?
01:01:38
>> Yeah, he was cool. He was very I don't
01:01:41
know. He's just I don't know what's some
01:01:43
of the fellas didn't like. I like Val.
01:01:45
He was very good actor. I remember Jimmy
01:01:47
remember the Jimmy Morrison role he'd
01:01:49
played
01:01:50
>> in the Doors movie.
01:01:50
>> Yeah, the Doors movie. Beautiful work in
01:01:52
that. No, him and me and Val got on
01:01:54
well. I respected Val. I respected his
01:01:56
work.
01:01:57
>> He just had a I don't I think he rubbed
01:01:59
the crew up a couple of times the wrong
01:02:01
way, but I don't know what it is. You
01:02:03
know, sometimes it gets a bit like that.
01:02:04
You know, they don't have to do much
01:02:05
before some crew member might say, "He's
01:02:08
a diva.
01:02:11
>> And we're pretty lowkey. You know the
01:02:13
crews here in Australia and New Zealand
01:02:17
pretty down to earth kind of people too.
01:02:20
>> Over there is they have big you know in
01:02:22
America they have big union you know the
01:02:23
crew are told not to talk to us really
01:02:25
just talk to your boss and don't talk to
01:02:27
the actors
01:02:28
>> cuz they they know
01:02:30
sometimes actors in America don't like
01:02:33
the crew talking to them because they're
01:02:34
in another zone so they're told not to.
01:02:37
Wow.
01:02:38
>> Last thing they might be having an
01:02:39
emotional scene, so they don't really
01:02:41
want to know about the driver's dinner
01:02:43
last night or whatever they're going
01:02:44
through or their problems. They they're
01:02:46
not interested. They just want to do
01:02:47
their do their acting as best they can.
01:02:50
So sometimes they don't like anyone
01:02:51
talking to them.
01:02:52
>> I feel like I I could be completely
01:02:53
wrong, but I feel like you're the sort
01:02:54
of guy when the the driver comes to pick
01:02:56
you up from the hotel, you probably jump
01:02:58
in the passenger seat, have a yarn.
01:03:00
>> Yeah.
01:03:00
>> Depends what sort of mood you're in. I
01:03:01
have a few drivers kill me and get lost
01:03:03
on the way to set and and start talking
01:03:07
their stuff and I go,
01:03:12
"Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah,
01:03:14
>> you know." Yeah.
01:03:15
>> What about Harrison Ford? You've worked
01:03:16
with him, right?
01:03:17
>> Yes, I worked with him 67. Nice. Nice
01:03:18
man, Harrison.
01:03:19
>> Nice man.
01:03:20
>> Mhm.
01:03:21
>> He he taught me a couple of lessons
01:03:24
because I think Air Force One had just
01:03:26
come out and I was interested in Gary
01:03:28
Man playing the bad guy. So I was asking
01:03:31
Harrison about Gary Man. I was saying
01:03:34
Harrison does that guy Omen does he kind
01:03:37
of you know how does he work himself up
01:03:38
because he's very intense actor this guy
01:03:40
you seal some of his early work
01:03:43
>> and he goes yeah Harrison goes yeah he's
01:03:45
a bit of a rant that one yeah he's
01:03:48
saying something like he goes on about
01:03:50
that guy say I don't see you running
01:03:52
around the place working yourself up
01:03:54
Harrison and I put it all there
01:03:59
and you watch Harrison's acting he's got
01:04:01
a lot of energy and he forces it right
01:04:03
up to the forehead
01:04:05
breathing wise and everything. He puts
01:04:06
it right there. Then the other thing he
01:04:08
does too is a number of versions
01:04:11
versions.
01:04:13
And he'll just go down and he'll come up
01:04:15
and give a look. Then he'll go disappear
01:04:17
again. He'll come up and just give a
01:04:19
slightly different version. So yeah, I
01:04:21
learned that one off Harrison versions.
01:04:23
So the editor doesn't have the same
01:04:25
thing. There's a bit of a variety going
01:04:27
on. So they can choose in the cut, you
01:04:29
know,
01:04:29
>> sort of like what you did with the New
01:04:31
Zealand voiceover. Yes, very much so.
01:04:32
Very much until I got the right tone,
01:04:34
the right smile, just that right
01:04:36
version. And Harrison would do a number
01:04:38
of versions and then just leave it up to
01:04:40
the
01:04:40
>> to the director or the editor later on
01:04:42
when they see the best one. So that was
01:04:45
another good Six Days, Seven Nights.
01:04:46
That was with Anne Hesh, too. Anne Hesh
01:04:48
passed away, too.
01:04:49
>> Oh,
01:04:50
>> and Harrison. Wonderful
01:04:53
filming in Hawaii, too.
01:04:56
>> Kawaii, I think it was.
01:04:58
>> Oh. Um, speaking of people you've met
01:05:00
that have passed away, Michael Jackson,
01:05:02
>> I did meet him briefly.
01:05:04
>> Yeah,
01:05:04
>> Michael,
01:05:05
>> how did how did this happen? This wasn't
01:05:07
>> I went to see my friend who was doing a
01:05:09
makeup the Dr. Maro makeup artist
01:05:12
actually Bruce Fuller was his name and
01:05:14
he was doing the black and white
01:05:17
some work on the black and white music
01:05:19
video, Michael's. So, I went in to see
01:05:21
my makeup artist and then I decided to
01:05:24
go for a walk, have a look around the
01:05:25
set and then I'm in this uh thing and I
01:05:28
must have been in Michael Jackson's
01:05:29
personal tent with all this oxygen was
01:05:33
getting blown and I was having a look.
01:05:34
Then I was just about to walk out and in
01:05:36
he walked with his security and the
01:05:38
security guy said, "Hey, aren't you the
01:05:40
guy from Monster Warrior?" So, Michael
01:05:42
was listening to the security guy. Oh,
01:05:44
must have thought I was somebody famous
01:05:45
then. So, I shook his hand.
01:05:49
That was nice. But I I was just like an
01:05:52
idiot. I was staring at him like this,
01:05:54
looking at his nose, looking at his pale
01:05:57
white skin. And I sort of just I freaked
01:05:59
him out a bit. So he kind of left. He
01:06:00
sort of made him feel a bit
01:06:02
uncomfortable cuz I was just staring
01:06:03
like an idiot.
01:06:05
But I did say, uh, look, when on your
01:06:07
world tour, Michael, make sure you visit
01:06:09
New Zealand, not just Australia, like a
01:06:12
lot of them do. Funnily enough, I see
01:06:14
him come to New Zealand, which wasn't on
01:06:16
the original tour. And guess who met him
01:06:18
at the airport? Uncle Howard.
01:06:20
>> Unbelievable. Yeah. Wow.
01:06:22
>> That's funny.
01:06:23
>> Yeah, that was a brief moment, but oh, I
01:06:25
remember going into watching him work
01:06:26
and that sound was just reverberating.
01:06:29
These walls were just shaking and then
01:06:31
man, he was just doing like nothing but
01:06:33
it was something. You know what I mean?
01:06:35
Just minimal just feeling it. He was
01:06:38
just feeling and it was just another
01:06:39
moment. I was wow,
01:06:41
>> wow, it's Michael Jackson. Look at that.
01:06:45
Yeah, I was buzzing up then back to my
01:06:47
buddy the makeup. Oh, I see Michael.
01:06:48
That's me. I'm out of here.
01:06:52
>> So, she was doing the makeup on this
01:06:53
video shoot for Black or White. She
01:06:55
hadn't even got to meet him.
01:06:56
>> No.
01:06:56
>> And she warned you that you probably
01:06:57
wouldn't get to meet him.
01:06:58
>> Yeah.
01:06:59
>> Yeah.
01:06:59
>> Classic Tim. That's funny. Um, what
01:07:02
about Jason Mamoa? Um, it's it's like a
01:07:05
it's it's a very special relationship
01:07:06
you two have. Hey.
01:07:07
>> Yeah. He loved Warriors. Warriors
01:07:09
affected him. I heard him I only know
01:07:11
this because I heard him talking to his
01:07:12
kids. It's the reason why he got into
01:07:14
acting. Warriors. Once were warriors.
01:07:19
And um well, you know, he was growing up
01:07:22
um I think he moved I think his parents
01:07:25
separated too. So he moved to Iowa for a
01:07:28
bit with his mom. And then when he was
01:07:31
going back to Hawaii to find out more
01:07:34
about his his dad's side, well, he
01:07:36
started getting work on those you as a
01:07:38
model and as on that early Baywatch
01:07:41
stuff, too. So I think Yeah. So, he'd
01:07:44
been watching New Zealand for quite some
01:07:45
time and I'd heard about Jason through
01:07:48
my agent to Joe actually had run into
01:07:50
him a couple of times and Joe was
01:07:52
telling me, "Oh, that guy just loves
01:07:53
you. He just loves once we're warriors
01:07:54
and things like that." So, um so yeah,
01:07:56
we've become very good friends now. So,
01:07:59
>> because I think I think the last time
01:08:00
you and I met in real life in person, I
01:08:02
mean, was um probably at the Roosevelt
01:08:04
Hotel in LA. I was I just happened to be
01:08:06
over there with my partner at the time
01:08:08
and it was the same night as the um uh
01:08:10
premiere for the original Aquaman. And
01:08:12
you were like, "Oh, Dom, Dom, give me a
01:08:14
call tonight. There's a party by the
01:08:15
pool. You can come. I'll introduce you
01:08:17
to Nicole Kidman and Jason Mamoa." And
01:08:19
then I tried to call you later that
01:08:20
night. You didn't pick up. But it was a
01:08:22
lovely sentiment. And we had we had
01:08:23
brunch the next day with Jason Mamoa.
01:08:26
>> Did you?
01:08:26
>> Yeah.
01:08:26
>> Oh, that's good. At least I did
01:08:27
something.
01:08:29
>> Yeah. No, but he's um Yeah, he he's been
01:08:32
called really supportive of you, eh?
01:08:34
>> Very very took me like uh put me in I
01:08:36
think he was a big mover and groover for
01:08:38
me being Aqua Dad as well. So uh he
01:08:41
wanted me to be his father. So I think u
01:08:43
they had to listen to him. I think even
01:08:45
though I met the casting agent, I went
01:08:46
through the right
01:08:48
>> um way of going about it. So I met the
01:08:50
casting agent people as well. Actually
01:08:52
at the time my agent Joe we we because
01:08:54
he'd been down in New Zealand a number
01:08:56
of times. So I taught him how to do the
01:08:57
barbecue, the big feed, put the barbie
01:08:59
on. So when we when he got back to
01:09:01
America, he was putting on the big feeds
01:09:04
like we do back here. So, and he'd
01:09:06
invite the uh the casting agents to his
01:09:09
house for a barbecue.
01:09:11
That saves us waiting to meet the
01:09:13
casting agent, you see. So, it was a
01:09:14
good little method to encourage the
01:09:16
casting agents to come over,
01:09:18
>> have a barbecue, and then meet me at the
01:09:20
same time or some of his other clients
01:09:21
as well. So, it was really good way of
01:09:22
working.
01:09:24
>> And then uh the Aqua, I've forgotten her
01:09:26
name now actually, the Aqua Aquaman
01:09:29
casting turned up at one of the
01:09:30
barbecues. Actually, she was late. She
01:09:32
came a bit later. Then I was doing
01:09:34
everything I could to impress her.
01:09:35
Pulled the guitar out. I sang sang my
01:09:38
sang every song I could think of. I
01:09:41
think I killed her. But anyway, not long
01:09:43
after that I got the part, but I think
01:09:44
basically it was due to Jason. He also
01:09:46
put me in a thing like Frontier. Took me
01:09:48
to England with him. Wanted me to do
01:09:50
some stuff in Frontier. That was way
01:09:51
cool. We filmed up in England and
01:09:53
another place called New Foundland just
01:09:55
Canada there. New Finland. New Finland
01:09:57
somewhere there. And then of course um
01:10:03
more recently this Chief of War has been
01:10:05
>> Yeah. on Apple spectacular. Been quite a
01:10:07
spectacular show.
01:10:09
>> Um
01:10:11
yeah, he was actually ringing me and I
01:10:13
was trying to put him on to Cliff.
01:10:16
Need you, bro. I need you, bro. I ring
01:10:18
Cliff. Ring Cliff Curtis. He's your man.
01:10:20
Oh, I already got a Cliff. I already got
01:10:22
a Cliff. I need you, too.
01:10:24
All right. All right.
01:10:27
What? Yeah. You you've done this quite a
01:10:28
bit over the years. E like um when
01:10:30
there's an overflow of work or a job you
01:10:31
don't want, you pass it on to Cliff G.
01:10:33
Why? Why? So,
01:10:34
>> I just wanted to He doesn't need your
01:10:35
help, does he? No, I was just like I
01:10:37
think he wanted to be the bad guy and I
01:10:38
was trying to tell him that Cliff's Oh,
01:10:40
Cliff's an excellent bad guy.
01:10:43
>> Yeah. But then he said, "No, I've
01:10:44
already got Cliff."
01:10:45
>> That was for this chief of all thing
01:10:47
been quite spectacular actually. I'm
01:10:48
glad I didn't I'm glad I had said yes at
01:10:50
the end of the day because it was
01:10:52
>> very rarely get this opportunity to um
01:10:55
do something quite cultural, something
01:10:57
Hawaiian.
01:10:58
>> Had to learn the language,
01:11:00
>> a lot of it based on their history too.
01:11:02
So um and everyone sort of took took the
01:11:06
responsibility on to do the best we
01:11:08
could, you know, for our Hawaiian
01:11:09
brothers and sisters, you know, it was
01:11:11
and it was Jason's turn for for him to
01:11:13
make his story about his ancestors. So
01:11:16
very very very rewarding um job that
01:11:20
was. Besides my feet, my feet were too
01:11:24
soft. Dom walking on that Hawaiian coral
01:11:28
rock. The feet were I'm supposed to be
01:11:31
the big chief walking like this. But
01:11:35
yeah, my feet were way too soft. But
01:11:37
yeah, it was a fab fabulous experience.
01:11:40
Uh we really worked closely with the
01:11:42
dialogue people to get the Hawaiian
01:11:44
sounding as authentic as we could make
01:11:45
it. So made some great friends. Had one
01:11:48
uh who did my hi
01:11:50
>> in Hawaii. He plays Kamehaha. So he's
01:11:53
really a great friend now that I've and
01:11:55
he also hosted us for my Earth Oven
01:11:57
show. So yeah, so we got a lot out of
01:11:59
it, you know, and we even had, you know,
01:12:01
a lot of cultural things happening, you
01:12:03
know, with the Waka, you know, the the
01:12:05
renaissance we're having with our with
01:12:07
our Walker sailing all around the world
01:12:09
now, proving uh we could shoot all the
01:12:12
way to North America. Bam. We could
01:12:14
shoot all the way to La Panui. Bam. Just
01:12:16
like that. So carving wise, we had
01:12:19
people from Rotoa doing a lot of the
01:12:20
carvings in Chief of War teaching
01:12:23
teaching the Hawaiian carvers how to,
01:12:25
you know, so a lot of shared cultural
01:12:27
stuff was going on too. Just amazing
01:12:28
experience.
01:12:29
>> Oh, speaking of cultural Hawaiian roles,
01:12:32
I guess, um you're also a chief in
01:12:34
Moana.
01:12:35
>> Yep.
01:12:35
>> Um a a job like a voice job like that or
01:12:40
um say like doing a voiceover for a Star
01:12:42
Wars game or whatever it happens to
01:12:44
That's been beautiful for me cuz uh at
01:12:46
least you know it's one of those nice
01:12:48
soft things for the kids. Oh, they come
01:12:50
to my Star Wars table, they see Boba
01:12:52
Fett, Boba Fett, Jango Fett, Commander
01:12:54
Cody, blah blah blah. Oh, oh, he's Chief
01:12:57
Dwey as well. I always have a photo of
01:12:58
that.
01:12:59
>> You've got a you've got a young
01:13:00
daughter. Is she a Moana fan?
01:13:01
>> Yep. Oh, she loves him. She loves Moana.
01:13:04
She sings the songs and everything.
01:13:05
>> And she's she's six, so she sort of
01:13:08
makes the connection that dad is
01:13:10
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's she's with me a
01:13:11
lot sometimes on set now, so she comes
01:13:14
for for a look and a watch.
01:13:17
>> My papa does the action. My papa does
01:13:20
the action. She's not quite sure what
01:13:21
the action is, but she hears some some
01:13:24
yelling out action.
01:13:25
>> That's so cute.
01:13:26
>> M has been great for the kids, too. It's
01:13:28
quite funny, though. The parents come up
01:13:30
and the kids looking at me and the
01:13:33
parents are going, "Look, look, look,
01:13:34
son. Look, look, the daughter, whatever
01:13:36
the name is. Look, it's Chief Dwey from
01:13:38
Moana." And they're looking at me going,
01:13:42
>> "You don't look like Chief Dwey.
01:13:45
That's just my voice. It's just my voice
01:13:47
on the Chief D."
01:13:48
>> But do you do you do those voiceover
01:13:50
jobs like in a in a studio near your
01:13:52
home in Rooua or do you get flowing
01:13:54
somewhere?
01:13:54
>> No, right down here in Oakuckland.
01:13:56
>> Right.
01:13:56
>> Yeah.
01:13:57
>> Amazing.
01:13:57
>> I got a couple of studios here I use
01:14:00
>> um just in the city here. Envy and
01:14:02
there's a few around the city because
01:14:04
they got to have these proper
01:14:05
connections.
01:14:06
>> Yeah.
01:14:06
>> Sometimes you can do it on your phone.
01:14:08
Sometimes I've done a few things in the
01:14:09
one and I've just done it on the phone.
01:14:10
Just one line or two that I've missed.
01:14:12
>> Put it on the phone as best I can.
01:14:14
>> But audition for Chief Tui though again
01:14:16
they wanted to see me in person.
01:14:19
Um
01:14:22
I actually almost lost the job too cuz I
01:14:24
wasn't when I first went to thing I
01:14:26
wasn't happy with the way Ma Maui
01:14:28
looked.
01:14:31
So I kind of let out a few things and I
01:14:33
kind of saw them all go a bit red. So I
01:14:35
thought, well gee, I better stop that
01:14:36
otherwise I'll be fired soon. So I just
01:14:38
sort of towed the line.
01:14:40
>> Why weren't you happy with how Maui
01:14:41
looked?
01:14:42
>> Oh, well I don't know. I just I had
01:14:43
another vision. I had another vision. I
01:14:46
had another vision like a birdlike thin
01:14:49
thin looking warrior. I don't know. I
01:14:52
don't know. But hey, the movie's done
01:14:53
well. Beautiful. Beautiful. I'm in Moana
01:14:56
too as well. So there was a little I
01:14:58
actually got a little bit annoyed
01:14:59
because they didn't I sang the song in
01:15:02
the first Moana
01:15:04
but they didn't use my voice. I think it
01:15:06
was a bit too high for me to be quite
01:15:08
honest. It was a little bit high but it
01:15:10
wasn't until I watched the movie that I
01:15:12
realized they cut my voice out. So I'm
01:15:13
looking at my agent Joe again.
01:15:17
That's not my voice. What happened? You
01:15:20
know, they at least they could have
01:15:21
said, "Oh,
01:15:23
sorry, but we didn't use your voice. It
01:15:25
didn't you were flat or something. That
01:15:27
might have been nice."
01:15:28
>> It was a little high for me, but
01:15:31
>> anyway, I got to sing in the second one.
01:15:33
So, that was made up for it.
01:15:36
>> Fantastic. What was that song?
01:15:37
>> I can't remember. Village song. Village.
01:15:39
The village song.
01:15:42
>> Yeah. How How are you? You um Yeah. So,
01:15:45
you've got a six-y old daughter. You've
01:15:46
got you've got a um adult kids as well,
01:15:48
right?
01:15:48
>> Yeah. James, you know James.
01:15:50
>> Yeah. The model.
01:15:51
>> He's um he's 34 now.
01:15:54
>> How Yeah. How how
01:15:56
>> I think you came to his 21st, didn't
01:15:57
you?
01:15:57
>> What's that?
01:15:58
>> I think you came to James' 21st.
01:16:00
>> Yeah. Yeah, I did.
01:16:00
>> In sitting here.
01:16:02
>> Yeah.
01:16:02
>> How How is it different? What What are
01:16:04
your observations from being like a dad
01:16:05
in your 30s versus being a dad in your
01:16:08
late 50s, early 60s?
01:16:09
>> Yeah. It's better being in your 30s, but
01:16:11
Yeah.
01:16:14
>> I got a I got a 20-year-old, too.
01:16:16
>> 20-y old girl.
01:16:18
Yes. So, I've got James, 34, 20-year-old
01:16:21
Aayorangi, and a six-year-old, W
01:16:23
Punaangi.
01:16:25
Yeah. Just the energy level. So, it's a
01:16:28
bit hard when you come home at night and
01:16:29
the sixyear-old wants wants to play
01:16:32
shoulder rides at 11:00 at night. Why
01:16:36
are you still up?
01:16:39
Then they want to jump all over you. You
01:16:40
go,
01:16:43
but it's nice those kids just jumping
01:16:45
all over you. There's nothing like that
01:16:47
feeling really where they're just
01:16:48
hugging you and they're just jumping on
01:16:49
you even though you're tired.
01:16:51
>> Don't feel like playing robot at the
01:16:53
moment.
01:16:55
>> I've I've seen you with your with your
01:16:56
kids at various stages of their lives
01:16:57
and you're a very you're a very present
01:16:59
dad. You've got a lot of love for your
01:17:00
kids. Eh,
01:17:02
>> well try to Yes. Yes.
01:17:06
Yes. Big loves to the kids. Big loves.
01:17:09
>> Yeah.
01:17:10
>> That's why I got to work in the next
01:17:12
lifetime as well. So
01:17:16
the six-year-olds.
01:17:20
I have to go work in the next lifetime,
01:17:22
too. Dom, do they do podcasts in the
01:17:23
next life? Do you think?
01:17:25
>> Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. We'll
01:17:26
find out.
01:17:28
>> Um, should we move on to some Star Wars
01:17:30
stuff?
01:17:30
>> Not really. I don't like Star Wars.
01:17:33
>> You You What are you looking at?
01:17:35
>> My Star Wars things here.
01:17:37
>> Oh, yeah.
01:17:37
>> This t-shirt. I just saw it in the shop.
01:17:39
>> Were you a fan of Star Wars before or
01:17:42
not?
01:17:42
>> No, not really. 77 that first one come
01:17:45
out. So I wasn't really a big Star Wars
01:17:46
fan,
01:17:47
>> but um I met the casting agent
01:17:53
and funnily enough I was in LA. I was
01:17:55
actually in the Balash Hotel staying on
01:17:57
the ninth floor and I had to meet the
01:17:58
casting agent who was staying in the
01:18:00
same hotel on the 10th floor. So I
01:18:02
couldn't believe that.
01:18:03
>> Wow.
01:18:03
>> And I just went up. We had a little uh
01:18:05
chat. That's all it was. Just a talk,
01:18:08
talked about anything and everything for
01:18:10
about an hour I think and that was it.
01:18:13
And then uh about a month or so later,
01:18:15
she called, "We'd love you to play Jango
01:18:17
Fat." So
01:18:19
that was funny. And then I get over
01:18:21
there and there's Jay Lana, my old radio
01:18:24
mate. And I'm looking at Jay cuz we both
01:18:27
did the radio together out south
01:18:29
Oakland. He's looking at me. I What are
01:18:31
you doing here? I said, I'm Jango Fat.
01:18:35
What are you doing here? I'm Captain
01:18:37
Tyo. Oh, come on. I see. So, and then
01:18:40
Rena Owen was there playing Toni.
01:18:43
And uh yeah, do do you ever have a
01:18:47
moment where where where you guys are
01:18:48
looking at each each other and maybe
01:18:49
it's just like a a look and you know
01:18:51
you're feeling the same thing without
01:18:52
even saying it but we're like how the
01:18:54
[ __ ] did this happen?
01:18:54
>> Yeah. Funny too cuz they had a cardboard
01:18:56
cut out of her of her head on stuck on a
01:19:00
hat. Rena wore a hat like a building hat
01:19:02
you know with a cardboard cutout. So she
01:19:04
looked quite ridiculous of how high her
01:19:07
head was going to be. They just had a
01:19:09
little cardboard cutout of some eyes. So
01:19:12
yeah, she looked ridiculous looking
01:19:13
walking around with his hat on, but at
01:19:14
least we knew how tall she was going to
01:19:16
be.
01:19:18
>> But I remember my first scene too was
01:19:19
George was there directing all the
01:19:21
casting agent was there and it was in
01:19:24
Sydney at the Fox studio there. I had a
01:19:26
big scene with you and McGregor and I
01:19:28
was nervous. Gee, I was just I was just
01:19:32
wasn't quite ready, you know. I wasn't
01:19:34
>> I don't But I just wasn't going to. I
01:19:36
was rushed actually cuz I was doing
01:19:37
something else and I had to shoot over
01:19:39
there and do the scene and then go back
01:19:40
and finish this other job I was doing.
01:19:41
Then I could go back and do the rest of
01:19:43
it. So I was rushed in between and I was
01:19:46
going from one set to another. I was
01:19:48
finishing off this TV show called
01:19:50
E-hucka. I think it was a TV cop show uh
01:19:53
with Rebecca Gibney, I think it was. And
01:19:55
then I was rushed over to Star Wars and
01:19:57
did the scene with Euan
01:20:00
and he'd been doing it for a while. So
01:20:02
he was pretty comfortable in his Jedi
01:20:05
outfit and his Jedi pretty minimal actor
01:20:08
too. He was pretty good. So and I was
01:20:10
still finding my way but uh
01:20:14
I was just trying to relax relax. And he
01:20:17
was so cool too. He was just doing very
01:20:21
very minimal kind of acting. Just
01:20:23
eyebrow stuff.
01:20:25
I'm going do you like your army? And I
01:20:28
was thinking, well, I'm just going to
01:20:29
copy this guy and just use my eyebrows
01:20:31
back. So, I was and he was so subtle. I
01:20:35
was trying to be more subtle than he
01:20:37
was, you know. It was like a game of
01:20:38
poker, you know. You know, I've got some
01:20:40
jacks. I got a pair of jacks up, but I'm
01:20:42
sure you got a pair of aces. So, it was
01:20:44
like that. I was playing it like that.
01:20:46
But anyway, I got through the day and
01:20:47
got survived. So,
01:20:50
it was just huge though. You don't
01:20:52
realize
01:20:54
cuz the sets at the time were just
01:20:56
massive and all the blue and green
01:20:59
screen. Now it's even changed again. But
01:21:02
yeah. Oh, there's a buzzer George there.
01:21:05
>> Yeah. What What's your first meeting
01:21:07
with George Lucas like? Are you Are you
01:21:09
super intimidated or
01:21:10
>> No, he's just very nice. He just likes
01:21:12
you. Relax. Yeah. Just very cordial.
01:21:16
>> Blue jeans, the checkered shirt, you
01:21:18
know, the mullet hairstyle. Yeah. Just
01:21:20
very cool. I like George. Very cool
01:21:23
director. So, I had a great time with
01:21:24
him.
01:21:25
>> Does he
01:21:26
>> And he made me feel comfortable, too.
01:21:27
He's very hands-on, though. Very
01:21:29
directing. Very
01:21:31
>> He was just trying to relax me, too, cuz
01:21:33
I think he could see I was a bit
01:21:34
nervous, you know. Just another day at
01:21:36
the office, he was saying.
01:21:39
>> When you're when you're doing that or
01:21:40
when you find out you're going to be in
01:21:42
Star Wars, um are are you aware that
01:21:44
it's like a life-changing role in terms
01:21:46
of
01:21:46
>> No, not not at the time. I didn't
01:21:48
realize it. It's only now that I'm doing
01:21:50
the conventions and all of that. That's
01:21:51
all come from that.
01:21:53
>> And
01:21:54
>> you do heaps of them, mate. When you
01:21:55
when I listen to you to come on the
01:21:56
podcast and you're like, "Sorry, bro.
01:21:57
I'm going
01:21:58
>> overseas." Conventions now. Yeah. That's
01:22:00
the big spin-off.
01:22:02
>> Yeah. I love the conventions. Just get
01:22:04
there. It's nice nice people. They look
01:22:06
after you book and just got to sit at
01:22:08
your desk for
01:22:11
next to all the other guys. And
01:22:13
sometimes you get a bit upset because
01:22:15
there's more in his line than in your
01:22:16
line. Hey.
01:22:18
Oh, so you Oh, so it's not like a not
01:22:21
like a a table talk thing. It's like
01:22:23
lines for autographs. And what do people
01:22:25
want? They just want you to sign like a
01:22:27
pop doll or they want you
01:22:28
>> photograph generally or the pop-ups now.
01:22:30
Huge. The pop-ups are just huge. They're
01:22:33
just a box with a doll of Boba Fett in
01:22:36
there or Jango Fett or Clone Trooper.
01:22:39
>> And they never take them out of the box.
01:22:41
>> No. No. You say Yeah. So then they want
01:22:43
a quote quote from my show or something
01:22:46
like a banana
01:22:47
>> for the phone. Oh, just a quote from
01:22:49
what I've said in one of the movies.
01:22:52
>> No hard feelings. It's just business. I
01:22:55
said that in one of my Boba Fett shows.
01:22:57
So, they want to quote
01:22:58
>> they I they also the famous quote is I'm
01:23:02
just a simple man making my way in the
01:23:05
universe which after doing that all
01:23:07
bloody day long stuff gets a bit boring.
01:23:10
Making my way in the universe like my
01:23:11
father before me and all that. So, but
01:23:13
it's nice. You know what I figured
01:23:14
though? They just they just want that
01:23:16
little moment, you know, tell you tell
01:23:18
you something uh about them about how
01:23:22
something affected affected them. You
01:23:24
know, they're very um very honest, but
01:23:28
it's just that little moment, you know,
01:23:29
they they're getting the photograph and
01:23:31
the autograph is just really an excuse
01:23:33
just so they can be close to you, have
01:23:35
that little moment. And they always
01:23:37
they're very honest with you. They say,
01:23:38
"Man, I was just going through a bad
01:23:40
time." You know, one time I'll tell you,
01:23:42
this is a true story. I'm uh where was
01:23:44
I? I was down down um
01:23:48
down staying in this hotel down by
01:23:50
Shutters down by Malibu there. Nice
01:23:53
hotel. And I was living next door to the
01:23:54
hotel from Shutters. And um I was kind
01:23:59
of I was staying in this hotel. It was
01:24:01
very nice. And I thought, "Oh, I'm going
01:24:02
to go over to that restaurant for
01:24:04
change. See what their breakfast is
01:24:06
like." It was actually the shutters
01:24:08
hotel. I went to go had my breakfast.
01:24:11
Went to go pay. The guy said, "It's
01:24:13
okay, man. It's all me." And he was one
01:24:15
of the assistant managers there. I said,
01:24:17
"Gee, that's very nice of you, man. It's
01:24:19
all good. It's cool. You got come." And
01:24:21
he showed me a photo. He said, "Look."
01:24:23
And I had taken a photo with his sons,
01:24:27
like couple of two, three years
01:24:29
beforehand. He said, "I was on the bones
01:24:31
of my ass. I've gone through a divorce.
01:24:34
I was unemployed. We hardly had any
01:24:36
money. I took my sons and we were
01:24:38
standing. They were standing and they of
01:24:40
course they had no money to get an
01:24:42
autograph. They just stood there and
01:24:43
looked at me for a while and I could see
01:24:44
them looking at me. So I said, "Oh." So
01:24:46
I actually got up at my table and went
01:24:48
over to say hello to them. Oh. Been here
01:24:51
standing there to say hello to the boys
01:24:52
and I said hello to them. And they were
01:24:56
just about to go to university I think.
01:24:59
And uh they made it a bit of a pack and
01:25:01
then I took them back to my table gave
01:25:03
them an autograph. Yeah. From Jang. All
01:25:05
the best with your studies boys. And
01:25:07
then he showed me a photo again and they
01:25:09
both had their gowns on. Wow.
01:25:13
They had graduated.
01:25:19
And he said, "We've always the boys
01:25:22
always when they got went through a hard
01:25:23
time or stuck uh an emotional time or a
01:25:27
very hard time, they would always just
01:25:29
remember the photos from Django Fett and
01:25:31
things like that." He made me cry. I'm
01:25:34
almost crying again just thinking about
01:25:35
it. But he actually made me cry at the
01:25:36
time. So I gave him another hug. Yeah.
01:25:38
So that was a buzz. That was a buzz for
01:25:40
me. I said, "Geez, I'm glad I was just
01:25:42
every now and then you got to be nice."
01:25:44
And that's what I did. I was just nice.
01:25:45
I had a little moment. Went over there,
01:25:47
say hello, gave those boys a couple of
01:25:49
photos. Then they ended up using this
01:25:51
Django Fett experience to to keep their
01:25:53
positivity up. So it was great to see
01:25:55
that they had graduated. And plus, I got
01:25:57
a free breakfast.
01:26:00
>> The return on investment was good. took
01:26:02
a while to get the payoff, but
01:26:04
>> and I got a free breakfast from the
01:26:05
Flash Hotel. But that was just a lesson
01:26:08
for me sometimes, you know, cuz
01:26:09
sometimes I get home after a convention
01:26:11
>> and you know, been flying and you just
01:26:14
get to the airport and someone goes,
01:26:15
"Oh, can I have a photo with you?" And I
01:26:17
have a photo with you and it's just that
01:26:18
one you sort of go, "Ah." So I've done
01:26:21
that a couple of times because I've just
01:26:22
been so tired, but now I don't do that.
01:26:24
I just always go out of my way now
01:26:25
because it might be
01:26:27
>> they might be going through something.
01:26:29
>> So I always just take that time. Yeah.
01:26:30
Yeah. Come on. Come on. Oh god. All
01:26:31
good, mate.
01:26:32
>> Jeez. Oh, you're you're a good man, eh?
01:26:35
I mean, everyone has a like a a a social
01:26:37
battery, right? And I'm sure those
01:26:39
things are incredibly draining, but I'm
01:26:40
sure you're you're better at them than
01:26:43
most.
01:26:43
>> Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:44
>> Like you're really respectful of
01:26:45
everybody.
01:26:45
>> I've been I've been to a few conventions
01:26:47
and there's there sometimes there's one
01:26:50
guy next and then they come to my table
01:26:51
after they've been to the other guy and
01:26:53
they go that this he's so grumpy.
01:26:59
I was just getting complaints about the
01:27:00
other guy. Yeah. So, I made I made it my
01:27:02
point just to be extra nice to everybody
01:27:04
cuz he was so grumpy.
01:27:07
>> I I was out with um yeah, Kesha Castle
01:27:09
Hughes once and we were in like a a
01:27:10
countdown or it's whatever and the the
01:27:12
checkout lady was like, "Oh my god, Kha,
01:27:14
your favor. Can I have a photo?" And
01:27:15
Kesha spent like a minute explaining
01:27:17
like, "Look,
01:27:18
>> oh, do you want to get that?"
01:27:20
>> Um Kesha spent like a minute, two
01:27:22
minutes explaining, "Look, I you know,
01:27:25
>> you know, you're at work. I you know,
01:27:26
I'm on holiday." And and at the end I
01:27:29
was like, "Geez, Case, you could have
01:27:30
just had the photo and it would have
01:27:31
been way quicker."
01:27:32
>> Yeah.
01:27:33
>> But yeah. Do Do you ever turn anyone
01:27:34
down or not anymore?
01:27:35
>> I think I have in the past cuz I was
01:27:37
tired and just not in the mood. But now
01:27:39
I don't. I just I just uh
01:27:44
greet a stranger now. Greet a stranger.
01:27:47
>> Give him some Yeah. No problem. No
01:27:49
problem. Give him some positivity. Be
01:27:52
nice. Be nice. try to
01:27:56
>> that's only just happening though. So
01:27:58
got a lot lot to make up for.
01:28:01
>> But yeah. Yeah. If if you're ever rude
01:28:03
to someone, does it does it like play on
01:28:04
your mind? You feel bad about the times
01:28:06
you're rude or the times that you let
01:28:09
people down. Those are the things that
01:28:11
play on your mind really.
01:28:13
>> Not all the good stuff. Not all the
01:28:14
stuff that you've done and been happy
01:28:16
about and done good stuff. You don't
01:28:18
think about that because that's all done
01:28:19
and you've done it the right way. It's
01:28:21
those little bit of moments where you've
01:28:24
disappointed people. Those are the ones
01:28:26
that come back to haunt you. So, uh, so
01:28:28
I've learned that.
01:28:29
>> Yes.
01:28:29
>> What's that scar from? Did you get a
01:28:30
scar there? Bang in the head. No.
01:28:32
>> Me? That thing there? Yeah,
01:28:33
>> mate. That's just from frowning.
01:28:34
>> That's frowning.
01:28:35
>> It's smoldering.
01:28:36
>> Smoldering.
01:28:37
>> Smoldering in my 20s and 30s.
01:28:39
>> Must be. Yeah. Okay.
01:28:40
>> It's a lot of smoldering.
01:28:41
>> Okay. That's cool.
01:28:42
>> I got one of those there, too. Look.
01:28:44
>> Yeah.
01:28:44
>> Wasn't from smoldering.
01:28:46
>> Um, that that story that you told before
01:28:48
where you were getting emotional. Um the
01:28:49
the fact that you're getting emotional
01:28:51
about it, I think it's speaks volumes
01:28:52
about you as a person and the type of
01:28:54
character you are.
01:28:55
>> Yeah. Know cuz he was he was he was
01:28:57
actually going to tears when he was
01:28:59
telling me and I didn't realize our
01:29:00
connection. But
01:29:02
>> it was wonderful to see his sons had
01:29:03
graduated too and it was wonderful that
01:29:06
you know just in that moment of time now
01:29:08
he's a you know he's come out of that
01:29:10
he's a manager of a hotel now. So
01:29:12
>> so it was good really good.
01:29:14
>> When you meet someone you never know you
01:29:16
never know what their journey is e or
01:29:17
what they're going through. That's
01:29:18
right. No idea.
01:29:19
>> That's right. And I get a lot of that.
01:29:21
The fans, they go, even a lot of the
01:29:22
kids, well, they're all in their 30s,
01:29:24
late 30s now. All these kids that played
01:29:26
my game, a lot of them are voiceovers,
01:29:28
too. I did the early voiceovers for the
01:29:29
Star Wars games. So, a lot of them
01:29:32
played spent far too long playing video
01:29:35
games. And yeah, so um that's where I
01:29:38
make my numbers up at these conventions.
01:29:40
I'm not only Django Fett, I'm Boba Fett,
01:29:42
I'm the voiceover guy for all the games.
01:29:45
Moana, Chief Tui. And so there's a
01:29:48
variety of things.
01:29:51
>> And every time I get something now, I
01:29:53
think I just voiced something recently,
01:29:55
something for a Lego. And that's the
01:29:58
first thing I thought of. Oh, another
01:29:59
signature. Another autograph.
01:30:02
Oh, another autograph. Someone will buy
01:30:04
the Lego game and want my autograph on
01:30:06
it. That's how I think, oh, Yep. I'll do
01:30:09
it. I'll do it.
01:30:10
>> Another autograph. Well, um, Shana, who
01:30:13
you met just before we came in the
01:30:14
studio, uh, who works here at the Pod
01:30:16
Lab Studios, she's got like a a Star
01:30:18
Wars mouse pad, and she showed you, and
01:30:21
you you offered to sign it. She didn't
01:30:22
even have to ask.
01:30:23
>> Yeah. Yeah. I thought I better sign it.
01:30:25
>> I I noticed that. I acknowledge that cuz
01:30:26
a lot of people in your position just
01:30:28
just wouldn't they wouldn't think to be
01:30:30
proactive, but you do.
01:30:31
>> Yeah. I'm a pro I'm a pro I'm a pro
01:30:34
signature signer. Signature sign. And
01:30:37
the other thing I do is give them every
01:30:38
letter. It's not just a scribble. I give
01:30:41
them the t e m u e r a m o r i s o n b o
01:30:46
b a f e t.
01:30:50
>> Yes. So I give them the thing. Whereas
01:30:52
Mark Hamill is just a M AND A SCRIBBLE
01:30:55
>> and KL sometimes I'm signing with KL
01:30:57
Urban. You know Carl that sign autograph
01:31:01
and I'm wondering why he's beating me
01:31:02
because we have quite even lines too.
01:31:04
His line was about the same as mine. But
01:31:06
he's just going then I went over to have
01:31:07
a look and he just scribbles
01:31:10
>> just one big scribble. That's what I was
01:31:12
wondering. But I give them every letter.
01:31:15
>> Every give them their money's worth.
01:31:17
>> You're so good.
01:31:18
>> Yes.
01:31:20
>> Yeah. What? Why? Jeez. They do they pay
01:31:22
really well those things?
01:31:24
>> Uh
01:31:25
it's depending on what deal you do. You
01:31:27
can either go there and they'll some of
01:31:28
the companies will just pay you an an
01:31:31
appearance fee and you set an amount and
01:31:34
you either take it or you can just take
01:31:37
uh the gamble and just see how it goes.
01:31:40
But if you sometimes I set a reserve so
01:31:43
even if I don't make the reserve, I'm
01:31:45
still going to get some money.
01:31:46
>> Yeah. Good.
01:31:47
>> I I as it's in your best interest to to
01:31:49
go the extra mile and and be really good
01:31:51
and give everyone their moment because
01:31:52
uh it means you'll be invited to more of
01:31:54
these things
01:31:55
>> and they all come back again. Mhm.
01:31:56
>> They will come back again. They'll go
01:31:57
and buy something and come back to have
01:32:00
another 5 minutes of your time with you.
01:32:02
They'll go buy something and they come
01:32:04
back and sometimes they'll come back.
01:32:05
I've had sometime people turn up with a
01:32:07
lot of so because they're all the real
01:32:09
Star Wars fans have not one autograph.
01:32:11
They've got all the stuff ready to sign
01:32:13
posters. Some of them had 10 12 items
01:32:16
popups from the Sometimes other family
01:32:18
members can't come so they bring all
01:32:20
their stuff.
01:32:21
>> Helmets. A lot of helmets now. Boba Fett
01:32:23
helmets.
01:32:24
>> Wow. Yeah.
01:32:25
>> Do do you have any mer Do you have Do
01:32:26
you have like a a like a shrine at home
01:32:28
or
01:32:29
>> nothing? No memorabilia?
01:32:30
>> I got nothing.
01:32:32
>> Not even a movie.
01:32:34
>> Not even a DVD.
01:32:35
>> So if someone walked into your house,
01:32:37
they wouldn't necessarily know it's Tim
01:32:38
Morrison's house.
01:32:39
>> They wouldn't.
01:32:40
>> Why? Why not? You just
01:32:42
>> I don't care. Don't want to worry about
01:32:45
it. I might have a couple of lightsabers
01:32:46
that I keep and I give them to the kids
01:32:48
every time I see a niece or a nephew or
01:32:50
something. Here, take this.
01:32:53
I love that too. But yeah, now I don't
01:32:55
keep that stuff. I don't know why.
01:32:57
>> Not a sentimental person.
01:32:58
>> I think I don't think I can take it up
01:32:59
to wherever we're going. We're going to
01:33:01
another place. I don't think I don't
01:33:03
think I can take the U-Haul truck there
01:33:05
with all my stuff in it. So So yeah, I
01:33:08
just I don't know.
01:33:10
>> Have you been to Skywalker Ranch?
01:33:12
>> Yes.
01:33:13
>> Have you?
01:33:13
>> Yes.
01:33:14
>> What's that like?
01:33:15
>> Amazing. Amazing. Stayed in the Ingred
01:33:19
Bergman suite.
01:33:21
>> Yeah. Very nice. Very nice. Very nice.
01:33:24
Like the king country,
01:33:26
>> like you swear you're in like a like a
01:33:28
Cambridge with the undulating green
01:33:30
elves, but then you're up in this, you
01:33:33
know, then you go to all these different
01:33:34
buildings. You can go up to the main
01:33:36
house like a big Georgian kind of
01:33:39
massive house up there and then you can
01:33:41
drive down the road and there's this the
01:33:43
sound studio which they still work
01:33:48
and all that. So very impressive. Very
01:33:51
impressive. Wow. And are you Oh, so
01:33:53
you're there to work or you there as
01:33:55
>> When I went to the ranch, I wasn't
01:33:57
working, right? I was actually just
01:33:58
doing something. I can't remember what I
01:33:59
was doing, but I wasn't working at time,
01:34:01
>> but I got invited to stay and
01:34:03
everything. So, they looked after me.
01:34:04
Very nice.
01:34:06
>> Unbelievable. God, these are great
01:34:07
stories.
01:34:08
>> What a life. What an experience.
01:34:10
>> Yes. Yes. That's what's life's about,
01:34:12
experiences.
01:34:15
>> And it's still going on. I'm The phone's
01:34:17
just ringing again. Something next year.
01:34:21
Um, which is kind of cool. The producers
01:34:25
on the on the letter I had that I read,
01:34:27
the producers Kevin Costner and Leonardo
01:34:30
DiCaprio. I said, "Oh, gee, those are
01:34:32
big names."
01:34:34
>> Oh, that's nice. You know, they're ex
01:34:36
they're down as executive producers.
01:34:38
>> So, does that mean they'll be there or
01:34:39
are they
01:34:40
>> not necessarily?
01:34:40
>> No.
01:34:41
>> But it's nice to see their name on the
01:34:43
paper. Um
01:34:46
they just what happens is the agents
01:34:48
sort of send you an email say these
01:34:51
people are checking on your
01:34:52
availability.
01:34:54
That's what normally happens.
01:34:56
>> I just say tell them I'm available even
01:34:58
if I'm not. I just say that straight
01:35:00
off. Tell them I'm available
01:35:03
>> and then figure it out.
01:35:04
>> They'll figure it out later.
01:35:06
>> Do you you just like saying yes more
01:35:07
than no?
01:35:08
>> I just say yes to anything and
01:35:09
everything.
01:35:10
>> Just not my podcast.
01:35:11
>> Yeah. But
01:35:13
eventually. But perseverance.
01:35:15
Perseverance. That's what it's all
01:35:17
about.
01:35:18
>> That's the lesson here about
01:35:20
>> this podcast going on so long. No wonder
01:35:22
I didn't say yes to it. It's still
01:35:23
going. Look at this.
01:35:24
>> Okay. Well, it's only an hour 34.
01:35:26
>> What's that?
01:35:27
>> It's been an hour and a half.
01:35:29
>> Oh, that's pretty good. I'm quite
01:35:30
enjoying myself for an hour and a half.
01:35:32
>> Yeah. Do you Yeah. You said before we
01:35:34
came in that you're um Yeah. You just
01:35:36
don't like like talking about yourself.
01:35:38
And just a moment ago when we talked
01:35:39
about you not having any sort of
01:35:41
memorabilia or anything that sort of
01:35:43
>> it sort of describes the sort of person
01:35:45
you are. But
01:35:46
>> I used to give it all to Joe my agent.
01:35:47
He'd always if I had something cool I'd
01:35:49
give it to him and he'd put it in his
01:35:50
office or somewhere.
01:35:52
>> Yeah. And you bought me a couple of
01:35:52
things today like a Star Wars shirt and
01:35:54
a Star Wars watch.
01:35:55
>> Yeah. I thought Yeah. You need that
01:35:56
stuff.
01:35:57
>> Yeah.
01:35:57
>> That's why I was just I always used to
01:35:59
give you a watch. I was looking around
01:36:00
for a watch and there was CPO's watch.
01:36:04
CPO. Do you It's It's funny because I I
01:36:07
remember that because you know Yeah.
01:36:09
You've given me a couple of watches like
01:36:10
we've when we've seen you go you don't
01:36:12
have a watch here have this. It's a
01:36:14
watch.
01:36:15
>> Some brand called Red Monkey goes Yeah.
01:36:17
George Clooney, Brad Pit, all those guys
01:36:18
are wearing them.
01:36:19
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just made that up.
01:36:20
But
01:36:22
>> I've still got I've got them in a box
01:36:24
somewhere at home because they they mean
01:36:25
they mean a lot to me.
01:36:26
>> Japanese guy who used to run the
01:36:27
Japanese one of the Japanese
01:36:28
conventions. He used to sell those Red
01:36:30
Monkey watches. So he'd always give me a
01:36:31
couple. So I give you one.
01:36:33
>> Yeah. Who else? kind of cool cuz they
01:36:34
had the leather the leather.
01:36:36
>> Yeah, the watch worked all right, too.
01:36:38
>> Yeah, but but it was literally the watch
01:36:40
that was on your wrist at the time.
01:36:41
Like, how many people are you giving
01:36:43
You've given me three watches now.
01:36:45
>> Yeah, I got no watch.
01:36:46
>> Who else are you giving watches to,
01:36:47
though?
01:36:48
>> Am I Am I special?
01:36:49
>> Just you, mate. Just you. You're the
01:36:51
only one I've given watches to.
01:36:52
Actually, no one else. I think I made
01:36:54
Graeme got jealous even. Yeah.
01:36:57
>> Yeah. That's how we know each other. A
01:36:58
mutual friend. Graeme Cesia. Wonderful
01:36:59
man.
01:37:00
>> Good friend of both of ours. Um, just
01:37:03
got a few conclusion questions here.
01:37:04
>> Oh, very good. Very good.
01:37:06
>> Um, what's been your hardest personal
01:37:07
battles and how did you get through
01:37:09
them?
01:37:10
>> Um,
01:37:11
>> I I I bring this up because I in
01:37:13
researching for this I watched some of
01:37:15
the um the Tim Morrison show
01:37:17
>> that was that was made and that sort of
01:37:19
painted a picture of a guy that was like
01:37:20
down on his luck.
01:37:21
>> Yeah. Yeah. I didn't
01:37:24
I've never felt like It was supposed to
01:37:25
it wasn't supposed to be like that. But
01:37:27
uh the moment I decided to do that show,
01:37:30
nothing started happening. You know, we
01:37:31
really wanted all the auditions to come
01:37:33
in and take everyone through this
01:37:34
positive thing, but it just ended up
01:37:36
being a nightmare. In fact, yeah,
01:37:38
everything was going was just in a bad
01:37:39
space.
01:37:41
>> Um
01:37:42
just wasn't getting ahead, wasn't paying
01:37:44
the bill. So, it ended up being a bit of
01:37:46
a bit of a depressing show instead of an
01:37:50
uplifting show in a way. But still again
01:37:53
I was quite fascinated with the reality
01:37:55
TV kind of things at the time. The
01:37:57
Kardashians were just coming out at that
01:37:59
time and
01:38:00
>> I thought it might be the new thing. I
01:38:02
always try a new something new something
01:38:05
>> um
01:38:06
>> and you you've always been
01:38:07
self-deprecating like you don't mind
01:38:09
taking the piss out of yourself.
01:38:10
>> Yeah. Like an album. I brought out an
01:38:12
album a singing album. I thought I got a
01:38:14
phone call one day by Sony. Hey, would
01:38:16
you like to sing a song? I thought yeah
01:38:18
why not? Gee, my uncle Howard was a
01:38:20
pretty good singer. Maybe there's
01:38:21
something in there. It was one of those
01:38:23
things. You can sing the first line
01:38:25
pretty quick, but then there's then
01:38:26
there's a whole verse that you got to
01:38:28
get through and the chorus. But
01:38:30
>> yeah, but that was even something else
01:38:32
again. I just tried to do it. See how I
01:38:34
like it
01:38:36
>> and then you know then you know. But um
01:38:38
yeah, that show you're talking about
01:38:40
there was some good parts and some not
01:38:41
so good parts. But
01:38:43
>> yeah. So you what would have been your
01:38:45
hardest personal battle? Is there
01:38:46
anything that stands to mind?
01:38:48
>> Yeah. I'm trying to think.
01:38:50
Well, in our, you know, in our business,
01:38:52
sometimes it's just hard sort of, uh,
01:38:54
there's a lot of periods of time where
01:38:56
you're unemployed. So, you know,
01:38:58
sometimes you have to think about, geez,
01:39:00
I better find a real job sometimes. But,
01:39:03
you know, it's the guess and then
01:39:05
something else will come along. You're
01:39:07
just in the nick of time. So,
01:39:10
>> what about mental health? Has your
01:39:12
mental health been good through the
01:39:13
years?
01:39:14
>> Yeah, I'm okay at the moment.
01:39:15
>> Yeah,
01:39:16
>> at the moment.
01:39:17
>> At the moment. Well, sometimes it's hard
01:39:19
to be positive. You know, you read all
01:39:21
these books and then you kind of get
01:39:23
inspired while you're reading them for a
01:39:25
little. Oh, gee, that's a good little,
01:39:27
you know, uh thing. Um what was I
01:39:30
reading? The little little book um
01:39:35
the hell was it called?
01:39:37
>> Don't sweat. Don't sweat the small
01:39:39
stuff.
01:39:40
>> I just read that again, you know, and it
01:39:42
was good just to uplift again. Don't
01:39:43
sweat the small stuff again. I kind of
01:39:45
uplifting, but then it goes away again.
01:39:47
I really find that you really have to
01:39:48
work at being positive,
01:39:50
>> you know, you really have to work at
01:39:52
that attitude kind of thing and um
01:39:57
cuz sometimes just you know things are
01:39:58
just getting in a bit of a rut I guess
01:40:01
>> you still read those sort of books now.
01:40:02
You you said before you fly a lot best
01:40:05
thing to read on a plane quick reads.
01:40:07
Yeah.
01:40:08
>> But then most of it you've seen it
01:40:09
before you know the monk who sold his
01:40:12
Ferrari and things like that. The
01:40:14
satellite of not giving a [ __ ]
01:40:16
>> Robin Sharma got sick of things. I love
01:40:19
the Polo Coelloo book though. The
01:40:22
Alchemist.
01:40:22
>> Oh yeah.
01:40:23
>> I love the Alchemist. Yeah. When I was
01:40:25
on Earth, I got to a place called Jordan
01:40:28
and a place called Wadi Ram. Um
01:40:32
and it reminded me of being in, you
01:40:34
know, on a, you know, on a caravan with
01:40:36
all the camel riders and all of that.
01:40:38
reminded me of scenes from that book,
01:40:40
>> The Alchemist, where this young boy
01:40:43
>> is, you know, just goes gets out there,
01:40:45
gets on his camel and joins the caravan
01:40:48
and gets out there in the world.
01:40:50
>> Yeah. What was your question again? I'm
01:40:52
trying to figure a better answer.
01:40:53
>> Yeah. Just your your hardest personal
01:40:55
battle.
01:40:55
>> Hardest personal battle.
01:40:58
>> No, I think I'm all good. I'm all good.
01:41:00
Yeah.
01:41:00
>> Yeah. The Alchemist. I've never read The
01:41:01
Alchemist, but I believe I believe Jeff
01:41:03
Jeff Bezos from Amazon. I believe he
01:41:05
reads that every single year.
01:41:06
>> Does he? Yeah. Oh, he's he's done well
01:41:08
from the alchemist. It's sort of my my
01:41:10
favorite book actually probably
01:41:12
>> like in those terms of just being some
01:41:15
>> a lot of life's lessons in there, too.
01:41:18
>> You you still read those books now. You
01:41:20
still like working on self-improvement
01:41:21
and being a bit Yeah. Interesting.
01:41:24
>> Got a big pile of them. Like I still got
01:41:25
to get through.
01:41:27
>> Are are there still roles you'd like to
01:41:29
play or, you know, professional boxes
01:41:31
you want to tick
01:41:33
>> or you just see what comes along?
01:41:34
>> Just see what comes along.
01:41:36
It's a strange industry. Like you can't
01:41:38
you can't plan too much, can you?
01:41:39
>> You can't plan too much. It's uh fickle
01:41:41
as well. It's got tough now. Real tough.
01:41:44
They're not making that much stuff
01:41:45
anymore. I have noticed that Amazon out
01:41:47
there a lot. Apple names you'd never
01:41:50
sort of see and you got a Fox or Studio
01:41:53
kind of backing, you know, Universal
01:41:56
Fox. But yeah, Apple and Amazon are
01:41:59
quite prominent now with content.
01:42:02
>> Um we'll see what comes along. M
01:42:05
>> um I love working at home. We had a
01:42:06
great time. While I was doing Chief of
01:42:08
War, actually doing the Hawaiian one, I
01:42:10
actually had to take
01:42:12
I don't know if you saw it online, there
01:42:13
was this big hucker being performed at
01:42:15
the Chief of War and the All Blacks were
01:42:17
there.
01:42:17
>> Yeah.
01:42:18
>> Uh the ex All Blacks were there. I mean,
01:42:20
Troy Flavl and Eric Rush and all of
01:42:22
them. And it was just a beautiful day.
01:42:24
We had a big day filming a big scene out
01:42:27
in the village kind of thing. And we're
01:42:29
all being Hawaiian, of course, but for
01:42:31
this but uh for this little moment, we
01:42:33
all switched back into into Maldi mode.
01:42:37
And um and I actually started that thing
01:42:40
because the ad I needed 10 days off from
01:42:42
this chief of war so I could go back to
01:42:44
Lotua and film my mates movie. So I
01:42:48
organized this big uh Megan M and I got
01:42:51
Eric and them to do their presentation
01:42:52
first. Then I wanted to thank the AD
01:42:54
because he basically found 10 days where
01:42:56
I could go back to Rodu and work on my
01:42:58
buddy's film. So, so I gave him the big
01:43:00
hucker because he was going home
01:43:01
actually to look after his mom. So I got
01:43:04
everyone together and they put on this
01:43:05
mean hucker. The whole blacks were
01:43:07
there. All the had about a couple
01:43:08
hundred extras. So everyone got into it.
01:43:10
And it was just like one of those
01:43:12
moments where we all sort of broke from
01:43:14
being Hawaiian and went over to the
01:43:16
Maldi side and all did the hucker
01:43:17
together and that kind of uh made our
01:43:21
you know that was the end of our day and
01:43:22
we said thank you to the guy who gave me
01:43:25
10 days but no one knew that. No one
01:43:26
knew that. That was the reason I
01:43:28
started. I said I got to thank this guy.
01:43:30
So I was able to go home and work on
01:43:32
fighting then then that's a bus too
01:43:34
finally going home and working in our
01:43:36
own language now
01:43:38
>> um you know all the way through even
01:43:40
through the filming don't hear action I
01:43:42
hear
01:43:45
and I s too much right you know then
01:43:49
then my the lunch would turn up my
01:43:51
cousins on catering what's for lunch
01:43:53
today cuz got the boil up you know
01:43:56
things you wouldn't normally see a boil
01:43:58
up on on a Hollywood movie Yeah. But
01:44:01
yeah, just things like that. It was just
01:44:02
really quite um Oh, just way cool, you
01:44:06
know, and Don Sen was a big part of that
01:44:09
movement too where we're making things
01:44:11
in our own language and making it in a
01:44:13
moldy way, you know, with all the
01:44:14
instructions and the corridors too. So,
01:44:16
we had a wonderful experience. Actually,
01:44:18
I'm up for best supporting actor
01:44:21
>> in a couple of weeks for the Kafonu.
01:44:25
>> Oh, amazing. And I also appeared on a TV
01:44:28
show called End of the Valley
01:44:31
and I'm up for best supporting actor for
01:44:33
that as well. And also best actor in the
01:44:37
Red Indian um awards, Kafon is doing
01:44:41
very well in America and has a lot of
01:44:43
screenings in some of these indigenous
01:44:45
areas. So that's been very good. So,
01:44:48
>> and Chief of Wars, hopefully we're going
01:44:49
to they're going to start putting that
01:44:51
up for some some um notability
01:44:56
acknowledgement or something like that,
01:44:58
too. So,
01:44:59
>> I'm sure you like to win awards because
01:45:00
you're only human, but do you do you
01:45:02
care about awards? Do you do you have
01:45:03
any at home?
01:45:04
>> No, nothing. They're all in a box in the
01:45:06
garage.
01:45:07
>> Yeah,
01:45:08
>> you're a cracker.
01:45:08
>> All my awards that I won, best actor way
01:45:11
back there, they're all in a box
01:45:12
actually somewhere. Actually, don't even
01:45:13
know where the box is. I might pull them
01:45:15
out one day, see what I won.
01:45:17
see what I won.
01:45:18
>> When you when you look back over your
01:45:19
life, what are you most proud of
01:45:21
professionally and personally?
01:45:30
I don't know.
01:45:38
You know, when you work, you I'm just
01:45:40
always grateful for the work really. you
01:45:42
know, the director's gone out of his
01:45:43
way, looked at everybody and chose me to
01:45:46
work on his film. So, I always humbled
01:45:50
by that.
01:45:51
>> I think that's the lesson. I think I
01:45:52
just tried to be a little bit more
01:45:55
humble now.
01:45:57
Not that we're well known for us fellows
01:45:59
on Roto. We're the Towa tribe.
01:46:04
the
01:46:06
they have a saying down there
01:46:11
which means uh literally
01:46:14
the big mouth
01:46:16
blow hard or something could mean that
01:46:19
but um
01:46:20
>> were you ever a blowhard?
01:46:22
>> No, but we like to say it's more uh ti
01:46:27
more kind of great oratorus. We kind of
01:46:31
interpret it that way that they make
01:46:32
great oratorus or there's another flash
01:46:35
word something like loquaciousness or
01:46:37
something like that considered
01:46:39
loquacious
01:46:40
but then it goes on the saying goes on
01:46:44
I think it came from these two chiefs
01:46:47
having a little bit of a debate and one
01:46:50
called outu
01:46:52
you're boastful or something then he
01:46:53
replied of one mind and unmovable
01:46:58
so yeah that was his reply Yes.
01:47:03
You have one mind
01:47:05
and unmovable.
01:47:06
>> Okay. The phone's really
01:47:07
>> Are you Do you want to get that?
01:47:08
>> No. No. It's all good.
01:47:09
>> Is that Is that your partner?
01:47:10
>> Yeah, it's all good. Yeah.
01:47:12
>> Do you've been together a while? Have
01:47:12
you ever been married?
01:47:14
>> No, I haven't been married.
01:47:15
>> Do Do you want to get married one day or
01:47:16
>> too young?
01:47:19
One of the last chapters in your book. I
01:47:20
was reading that yesterday. It's um
01:47:22
there's a chapter.
01:47:23
>> I miss out that chapter. Yes. Yes. Uh it
01:47:25
starts with um I've let down too many
01:47:27
women in my life for the simple reason
01:47:28
that they are my weakness. Um
01:47:31
>> yeah there's a thing in Maui called mate
01:47:33
wah mate wah mate means death wah woman
01:47:40
mate wah or sickness could also mean
01:47:44
sickness.
01:47:47
Yeah, but you've been to say about I've
01:47:49
met your party. You've been with her for
01:47:50
a while,
01:47:50
>> eh?
01:47:52
>> Yeah.
01:47:53
>> Yeah.
01:47:53
>> She's she's not applying the pressure to
01:47:55
get married.
01:47:56
>> Um, no, I don't think so.
01:47:58
>> Yeah.
01:47:59
>> How How do you personally define success
01:48:01
these days?
01:48:02
>> Um, that's my daughter now. Success.
01:48:05
>> Do you want you want to get it? Get it
01:48:06
on speaker if you want. No, no, it's all
01:48:07
good. Okay.
01:48:09
Um,
01:48:14
I think
01:48:18
I think it's to do with um, you know,
01:48:20
where you're at really. I think success
01:48:23
is um
01:48:25
is very good but I think it's more about
01:48:29
uh
01:48:34
you know when you do
01:48:36
I think I like to inspire people in a
01:48:39
way you know because
01:48:41
>> because you know I'm one of the ones
01:48:43
that got out there really sort of left
01:48:45
the village and sort of went out there
01:48:47
in the world so so I think that's been
01:48:50
quite
01:48:52
successful for me that I've, you know,
01:48:53
actually left home
01:48:56
>> and I got out in the world and gave
01:48:58
everything a good shakeup.
01:49:01
>> So, I'm kind of proud of that that I did
01:49:03
that and uh and then you can come home
01:49:06
again. We always end up coming home,
01:49:07
don't we?
01:49:08
>> But then when we do come home, I think
01:49:10
we can look at it a new light, too. We
01:49:12
can discover your own home
01:49:14
>> more so because you've traveled a lot, I
01:49:16
think, if you know what I mean. You
01:49:18
know, after traveling a lot, you learn
01:49:20
to appreciate what we have here. Even in
01:49:23
this Earth Oven show that I've been
01:49:24
doing, too. You know, I get emotional at
01:49:27
the end of the show because it reminded
01:49:28
me of being with my family. You know,
01:49:30
way back when we were all growing up.
01:49:31
You know, the Donim dynamics have
01:49:33
changed a little bit now. The family's
01:49:35
all growing up and we've all gone our
01:49:37
different ways now. But, you know, back
01:49:38
when you're growing up, we're all just
01:49:40
young and and just everything's open and
01:49:43
free and we're alive and everything's
01:49:46
exciting and
01:49:48
and um I don't know what I'm talking
01:49:50
about now. This maybe I'm talking too
01:49:53
much.
01:49:54
>> No, never too much. But then, you know,
01:49:56
it's just um I think that's what I'm
01:49:59
proud of that I've sort of
01:50:01
>> got up and given it a go and then
01:50:04
and now I come back home and sort of
01:50:06
just appreciate, you know, even when I
01:50:07
go back to the farm now, you know, it's
01:50:09
all a bit different. You know, not many
01:50:11
of us get back because we're all sort of
01:50:13
living busy lifestyles now. M
01:50:16
>> sometimes you want to go back to that
01:50:17
childhood kind of innocence where
01:50:20
everyone got together and there was but
01:50:22
we all grow up and two adults and have
01:50:24
dynamics
01:50:26
some good some bad.
01:50:28
>> So yeah
01:50:29
>> you yeah you you lost your dad at 14 so
01:50:31
he never got to see any of this. Um yeah
01:50:34
what what would he make of the man
01:50:36
sitting in front of me now? Yeah, I
01:50:37
think he would be quite proud actually
01:50:38
because he always used to say when I we
01:50:40
when we did see him, he was out quite a
01:50:42
lot. Our father, he always used to say,
01:50:45
"Be somebody, boy. Be somebody.
01:50:47
>> Be somebody." So, I guess I did become
01:50:51
somebody jango fat, you know, character.
01:50:55
>> Do you think um Do you think he'd be
01:50:56
more proud of um these roles or the fact
01:50:59
that you go to these comic cons and you
01:51:00
sit there and you give everyone five
01:51:02
minutes of your time?
01:51:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,
01:51:04
>> but you're the I suppose what I'm saying
01:51:06
is that the fact that you you're just a
01:51:07
good man with a good heart.
01:51:09
>> Yeah. You know, I go to these cons and I
01:51:11
see the other stars like Hayden
01:51:13
Christensen. He was in the Attack of the
01:51:14
Clones with me and his lines are
01:51:16
incredible cuz he plays Darth Vader and
01:51:19
like he has a little private little tent
01:51:23
going on in the whole room and he his
01:51:25
lines go out the building.
01:51:27
Unbelievable lines. Double line and and
01:51:29
sometimes he has to stay late just to
01:51:31
get all this just to get every They're
01:51:33
all pre-sold, too. A lot of them are
01:51:34
pre-sold.
01:51:35
>> So, just to get everything done, he's
01:51:36
still in the he's the last one in in the
01:51:38
building with the security.
01:51:40
>> And then one hour later, I'll see him in
01:51:42
the airport with me and I see, oh,
01:51:45
there's hated. And there's no line.
01:51:47
>> He's just another
01:51:49
>> just a man,
01:51:50
>> just another
01:51:52
making his way through the galaxy.
01:51:54
There's no one chasing him around the
01:51:55
airport. And I'm so so we go I don't
01:51:58
know what I'm saying with that, but we
01:51:59
go from this convention hall surrounded
01:52:03
by people, everyone wanting a little bit
01:52:05
of you or an autograph to the airport
01:52:08
and no one knows who you are.
01:52:11
>> And I just find that strange sometimes.
01:52:14
Okay. See the next and he just walk
01:52:17
around by himself.
01:52:18
>> Yeah, it's a strange ju position. Just
01:52:20
just just humans trying to catch a
01:52:22
flight. Yeah, there are times when I
01:52:24
arrive at the airport and there's Boba
01:52:26
Fett fans waiting outside the where you
01:52:28
exit the plane and they're following me
01:52:30
all the way to the luggage and I'm
01:52:32
signing stuff. These are the these are
01:52:35
the ones that are there on selling
01:52:37
stuff. They've got stuff for you to
01:52:39
sign, but you know they're going to make
01:52:40
some money off you. So, they just hang
01:52:42
around. So, I'm hoping like, oh, my
01:52:44
luggage is coming out quickly, otherwise
01:52:45
I'm stuck with these clowns or blah
01:52:47
blah.
01:52:48
>> Does that bother you? I know some
01:52:49
celebrities get really wound up about
01:52:50
that.
01:52:51
>> Yes. Yeah. Sometimes it does because
01:52:53
you're just tired, you just fly, you
01:52:54
just want to get back to the hotel. But
01:52:57
>> do you think about legacy at all? Is
01:52:58
that
01:52:59
>> No, don't care.
01:53:01
>> No.
01:53:03
>> Um, regrets? Any regrets?
01:53:07
>> No. No regrets?
01:53:08
>> No.
01:53:10
>> Are you you like yourself? Are you
01:53:11
someone that you'd want to have a beer
01:53:12
with? You like who you are?
01:53:14
>> Yep. I think so. Yeah.
01:53:16
>> I can have a beer with myself. Even by
01:53:17
myself,
01:53:18
>> I'm quite happy. Yep. I'm quite happy by
01:53:21
myself. You you like you like
01:53:22
>> I could chat to myself too
01:53:25
because I'll talk to myself
01:53:27
>> but you like you like who you see when
01:53:28
you when you look in the mirror when
01:53:29
you're having a [ __ ] but rough in the
01:53:31
morning these days. Bit rough bit but
01:53:32
rough bit rough in the mornings
01:53:35
and spluts but you know everything's
01:53:37
working okay at the moment.
01:53:38
>> Yeah.
01:53:39
>> Yeah.
01:53:40
>> Are you proud of yourself?
01:53:42
>> Yeah. Yeah, I think so.
01:53:43
>> Just quietly.
01:53:44
>> Yeah.
01:53:45
>> We don't like to say it too loud though,
01:53:47
but just quietly.
01:53:48
>> Yeah.
01:53:49
Well, your phone's been pinging off. Uh,
01:53:51
>> yeah. I don't know what they don't know
01:53:52
what's going on.
01:53:53
>> You wanted to leave by reading out um
01:53:55
>> Yeah, I got something on my phone. Just
01:53:57
something that really really stood out
01:53:59
for me.
01:54:00
>> Yeah. What's the significance of this?
01:54:02
>> Well, it's just something that really
01:54:05
I don't know. It's the man in the arena.
01:54:07
It appears every now and then, even in
01:54:09
the 911, I think one of the guys who
01:54:12
tried to
01:54:14
stop the planeful thing had this on his
01:54:16
desk. Theodore Roosevelt wrote it. Shall
01:54:19
I read it out? You've heard seen it
01:54:20
before.
01:54:21
>> Go ahead.
01:54:21
>> But it's about it's not the critic, the
01:54:24
man in the arena. It is not the critic
01:54:26
who counts, not the man who points out
01:54:29
how the strong man stumbles or where the
01:54:32
duo of deeds could have done them
01:54:34
better. The credit belongs to the man
01:54:37
who is actually in the arena whose face
01:54:41
is marred by dust and sweat and blood.
01:54:45
Who strives valiantly.
01:54:48
Who comes short again and again because
01:54:51
there is no effort without error and
01:54:53
shortcoming. But who does actually
01:54:56
strive to do the deeds? Who knows great
01:54:59
enthusiasm, the great devotions, who
01:55:02
spends himself in a worthy cause, who at
01:55:06
the best knows in the end the triumph of
01:55:09
high achievement, and who at the worst,
01:55:12
if he fails, at least fails while daring
01:55:15
greatly, so that his place shall never
01:55:19
be with those cold and timid souls who
01:55:22
neither know victory nor defeat.
01:55:25
So I guess for me it's about sometimes
01:55:28
that's me. I'm the guy who actually got
01:55:30
in the arena.
01:55:31
>> I'm the guy who gets in there who
01:55:33
sweats, who cries,
01:55:36
might be blood, but that's what that's
01:55:38
about. It's about trying.
01:55:41
It's about taking that step forward.
01:55:43
It's about getting off your chair,
01:55:46
about getting off your chair, making
01:55:48
that one step forward towards your goal
01:55:51
or towards whatever you want to achieve.
01:55:54
And then even if you don't make it, even
01:55:56
if you don't make that goal, the
01:55:58
distance you've traveled is still better
01:56:01
than the guy who's sitting there
01:56:04
criticizing you,
01:56:07
>> criticizing, oh blood.
01:56:09
>> And we get a bit of that in life, you
01:56:11
know, who the hell does, you know, that
01:56:12
tall top,
01:56:14
who the hell does he think he is, you
01:56:15
know, things like that. But, you know,
01:56:17
those are the ones, those are the
01:56:18
critics. So, you got to get off your
01:56:20
seat, Daniel. You got to go for it. You
01:56:22
got to go for it. Don't worry about the
01:56:23
critic who's just sitting there because
01:56:24
they never know anyway.
01:56:26
>> It's Yeah, it's it's a it's a really old
01:56:28
quote that one, but it's never been more
01:56:31
important because the weak and timid
01:56:32
that you're talking about now are
01:56:33
actually the people that are writing
01:56:35
comments online
01:56:37
not doing anything.
01:56:38
>> They just want to criticize. They just
01:56:39
want to criticize. And also, it's about
01:56:41
the arena. So, it's kind of kind of got
01:56:43
that gladiator thing about it, which is
01:56:45
the other one I loved in uh in the
01:56:47
movie, the gladiator. I think Russell
01:56:49
Cro says it right at the beginning when
01:56:51
he's riing, you know, revving his troops
01:56:53
up. They've sent the messenger out, but
01:56:56
the messenger comes back with no head
01:56:58
and he has to make that speech about
01:57:00
it's what you do in this life
01:57:04
>> that will echo into eternity. M
01:57:07
>> and I love that one too because that
01:57:08
reminds me of a marai situation where
01:57:11
you go to a tangi a funeral on the marai
01:57:14
and our old people stand up with their
01:57:16
talking sticks their toko and they
01:57:19
recite the genealogy they tell people of
01:57:22
the deeds that this person has done you
01:57:24
know while they're lying there it's on
01:57:26
the marai so really it's what you do in
01:57:29
this life that will be echoed on the mai
01:57:32
on your courtyard you know and so that's
01:57:34
why I try and tell some of the young
01:57:35
people, you know, do something. I think
01:57:38
my father instilled that in me a little
01:57:40
bit, just to do something and and get
01:57:43
out there and give it a go and then and
01:57:45
then that's what I said earlier and I
01:57:47
always tried something in a way then you
01:57:49
know or don't know.
01:57:51
>> So inspiring.
01:57:53
Timmy Morrison, how's this podcast
01:57:56
experience been for you?
01:57:58
>> It's been wonderful, Dom, and I must
01:58:00
apologize that I didn't get here in
01:58:02
2023,
01:58:04
but it's better. It's better. I'm ready.
01:58:06
I'm ready for it now. It's a lot better.
01:58:08
Dom,
01:58:08
>> it's worth the wait, mate. Thank you for
01:58:10
being so so generous with your time and
01:58:11
your experiences. I know there's a
01:58:13
million places you'd rather be right
01:58:15
right here and now than here talking
01:58:17
about yourself. Um, but I I genuinely
01:58:19
appreciate you doing it and it's been
01:58:20
well worth the wait.
01:58:21
>> Thank you, Dom. Thank you very much. My
01:58:23
pleasure, brother.
01:58:24
>> C, my friend. C, brother.
