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Jeff Ellen, number 831, winner of Beast Games. Welcome to my podcast. Hey, super
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excited to be here. Thanks for having me, mate. I'm I'm so excited to have you
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on. I've been um just fixated with Beast Games. Um so you won $10 million, uh
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which is the biggest prize in TV history. Um by by the way, the exchange rate is so bad at the moment. If you
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moved to New Zealand, you'd have 17 million. Really? Oh my gosh. I need to uh maybe need to take a look at it.
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Yeah. What's um I I've heard you in a couple of other interviews and and uh
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the the main question that um American podcasters want to know is um about the tax situation. How much how much do you
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lose with tax? Is it a real issue? Yes. I mean, I don't know how it is in New
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Zealand, but uh in the States, you know, if you contribute to charity um and there's other kind of tax exempt or tax
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deductible investments you can make. Um, but if I didn't do anything, I would pay
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over 50% in tax. Wow. I mean, it's still not bad. No, no. I mean, I'm I'm not complaining. The
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good news is, uh, you know, obviously the the purpose for me joining Beast Games was to try to help kind of fund
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and find a cure for my son's rare disease. So, uh, a good chunk is going to go to kind of funding research
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through charitable uh, form. So, um, my taxes will not be 50%, but I don't know
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what they'll be until early next year. Yeah. So, um, since since the final I
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suppose you had to keep it all quiet until the final episode went to air since you won, uh, what are the what are
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the top three questions you get from people? The the one you just asked is how much are you going to pay in taxes?
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Um, is there a big like have you made a big purchase and um, you know, how has your life changed? Yeah. How has your
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life changed? Um, you know, in many ways, none at all, but a lot of ways, you know, tremendous. I mean, here I am
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talking to you. I mean, like, I wouldn't have been talking to you six months ago.
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Um, but like, you know, just even walking down the street now, I'll have people stop me uh if I'm taking my son
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on a walk to just ask for a picture, say congratulations, which is, you know, super cool. Um, but, you know, I'm still
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kind of driving the same minivan that I drove a year ago. Um, so like some things change and um some things are
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staying the same. Have there been any special purchases? I bought my wife something nice for her
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for her birthday. And then I took my kids um on a beach vacation over the holidays. We've even though we live in
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California, we'd never been on like a true beach vacation. So we went to Hawaii and um had a blast. Wow. Okay,
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let's um yeah, talk about the final episode. By the way, I want to do the podcast in a way where um it's still
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going to make sense and be a fun listen for anyone that um hasn't watched Beast
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Games. So, I'll try and keep them kind of broad, but um there's a moment in the
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in the final episode where uh there's a coin flip and that's when it goes from
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$5 million to $10 million. Talk us through that moment. It's crazy. So, um the the whole nine um
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episodes before the before the final episode that Jimmy talks about, Mr. talks about $5 million. $5 million. $5
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million is the grand prize. And then he goes, "Until now." And he wheels out
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another stack of $5 million. By the way, this is real US dollars, not fake like movie money. And in my mind, I'm like,
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there's no I'm not going to flip it. I'm not that's just it's too risky for me.
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But my buddy Gage, number 974, kind of had this twinkle in his eye and I'm like, wait, does he does he want to do
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this? And you know, he eventually touched the coin and said, "I'm going to
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flip this." And for those who haven't seen it, if he flips it, the the prize
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goes from 5 to 10 million for everybody. And if he if he calls it wrong, he gets
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eliminated. So huge risk for him. And he did it. And he called it Tales. And it was Tails. And uh it changed everything.
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And and um yeah, you can you can see it's not a contrived moment. Like Mr. Beast looks I don't know, he looks kind
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of deflated. Oh, he was I mean because like the the thing the the the way the economics work
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and m and Mr. Beast has been kind of transparent about this is Amazon paid Mr. Beast a sum of money to do the show.
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Anything he spends on top of that is his money or the company's money and you
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know it's his company. So that $5 million technically was his money or the company's money that he wasn't expecting
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to spend. Yeah. I suspect from a a content perspective, he would have loved to um announce all through the series
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that he was giving away $10 million. You know, it doubles the appeal really. Well, yeah. I mean, especially in
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today's world when you think about titles and how important titles and thumbnails are. The fact that he could
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not share that in any of his titles until after the episode aired is like heartbreaking for him. Yeah. So, when
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you got down to the um the the final three contestants, um you had the chance to walk away with a million bucks at
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that point. Why? Why didn't you walk? When did you think? Um I Yeah. No, that's a good good question. You know,
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you could easily self-eliminate, take a million dollars, no harm, no foul. Uh however, for me, the way I played the
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game, I thought I made great inroads with people. So, it was um whoever had kind of the the the least amount of
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votes uh or least support from the top 50 was the one whose kind of name was on the chopping block. And I felt there was
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no way I was in the the the bottom three or the the bottom third. So, I thought I
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was either number one or number two. So, I said, "You know what? I'm not going to
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go for it. I feel good." High risk, but it paid off. Super high risk. Yeah. You You never know. I was
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But I was really I was remarkably confident that whole final episode. I don't know what was into me, but uh I
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felt really really good and I'm glad glad I didn't uh take Jimmy's bait.
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Yeah. Although um yeah, had you not won the the the $10 million um it'd be a
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different conversation we're having now potentially. 100%. I would probably be
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thinking about it every night. Why didn't I press the button? Why didn't I
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press the button? And um the moment you won, uh this is really memorable. You did this um this big leap into the giant
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mountain of money. Um how planned was that? At what point did you plan to do that or was that just spontaneous? I I
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mean if it was I mean in in my mind I kind of blacked out. I kind of like don't remember what happened. Um so I
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just I sprinted. I took off and like people were like watching the video that you see Mac and Carl Chandler trying to
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hug me. I just run right past them up the up the pyramid and then I start falling. So I just go, "Okay, I need to
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be safe." So I slid down. So like to answer your question, it was not planned
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at all. Um I just knew I kind of had all this energy. I need to express it. It was such a good reaction. Just um Yeah.
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So authentic. Yeah, it was um you know I I opened it up and then I did like I'm a huge Elvis
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fan and I did this like Elvis move I didn't even realize I did until I watched the episode. So it was like it
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was it was surreal. And what about um souvenirs or memorabilia from the the set? I'm guessing you've still got your
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your number 831 top. Um did you Of course. Yeah. No, I I got a couple tops. I um I got this right here. I
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don't know if um so this is the number six. Wow. The number six key. Um I got
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my ticket to the um to the to the helicopter. So yeah, I mean anytime I could grab something, I would, but
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they're they're usually pretty good at not letting you do that. So I was
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fortunate to to take a few things. Yeah. And um Lucas is your why. He's your he's
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your son. Um he was born what was the condition he was born? Born with it was like a creatine deficiency thing. Yeah.
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It's called creatine transporter deficiency. Um have you ever heard of it? No, not until I saw you on Beast
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Games. Yeah. And and and you're I mean obviously you're an endurance runner.
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You've probably heard of creatine. You probably have taken creatine. Um our bodies make creatine naturally and so
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does his, but it it gets into the blood and it travels to your organs and the organ that needs creatine the most is
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your brain. There's a transporter that takes it from the blood to the brain and
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his is defective. So his brain doesn't get the energy it needs to develop, create synapses, function, and
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ultimately thrive. So, he's um he's kind of ultimately powering on low power mode
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and has never kind of allowed his brain to fully develop. How old is he now? He's seven.
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Yeah. Can Can you remember the moment where um you and your wife got told um that your your child had special needs?
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Yeah, it was um you know, we knew around 8 months that something was off, something wasn't wasn't right. Uh so we
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did about 20 to 24 months of kind of extensive testing. We hooked them up to every machine. Um we did every lab test
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and when we found out we just we we are like okay at least we know and let's
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Google it and then we Google it and there's no treatment. There's no cure.
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Um but you you quickly kind of surrender to what is and then you know you shift from God I'm trying to fix my son to how
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do I connect with him and he's he is a happy boy. He is like the the sweetest
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boy around. He has taught me more about life than anyone. And so like there there's nothing to be sorry about, but I
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certainly want to be able to help him um heal and other kids like him and other families like ours heal. So kind of my
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quest right now is to can can we fund and find a treatment to help kiddos like Lucas? Yeah. Um has it changed you as a
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person, do you think? Oh yeah. Um yeah, my um my oldest son, Jack, kind of gave me the gift of sobriety. Um I didn't
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really know what it was like to be a dad till he was six months old. And um I I put down the drink and I kind of go,
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"Wow, okay, this is great." Um and then my his little brother when he was
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diagnosed gave me the kind of the gift of faith again and I was, you know, so like for for me he has allowed me to
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really explore kind of the beauty in the bumps like seeing challenges in your life and trying to find the good in it.
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And um he's given me more than any teacher, mentor, coach has ever um so like I'm just trying to pay him back.
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Yes. So, so what can you do with the the money? Obviously, it's going to give um
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yourself and your family and Lucas um a better quality of life. Um but in terms of um finding a cure for the disease,
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like you know, can the money help? Can it do anything? Yeah. No, I mean, yeah. I mean, it's uh you have you have a
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mixed reviews. Some people are like, "Oh my gosh, you have $10 million. Where's
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the cure? Like, did you already find it?" Well, it doesn't work that way. And
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then there's other people going, "There's no way $10 million can help."
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And I think the real answer is somewhere in between. is to to to kind of find a treatment for
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a rare disease. It's going to cost4 to $50 million. And um that means, you know,
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you got to fund the research to try to find a treatment. Then you have to make sure the the the treatment is safe,
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non-toxic, and effective. And then you got to put it in the US through clinical trials. So, um the $10 million isn't
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necessarily going to do it, but it's going to help bolster the efforts and kind of really jump charge it. So, it's
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um and the good news is there's been a ton of researchers over the last 20 years who are investing time into this
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and this just kind of gives them more resources to to do what they've been doing. Yeah. And and like money aside,
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as I said, um until you came on Beast Games, I'd never heard of this and I'm
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guessing a lot of people are in the same boat. So, um the torch that you've shown
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on it is um I mean, you can't put a sum of money on that, can you? You can't.
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No. And this is like I get goosebumps thinking about it. This was the goal. This is why I signed up for Beast Games
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was I wanted to get on have a platform to talk about my son and his condition. Um, winning was the cherry on top.
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Winning was secondary. And so for me, like every challenge, people like, "Why
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didn't you take a bribe? Why didn't you do this? Why didn't you go for the
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island?" Because I needed to get far enough to where I could talk about Lucas. So, um, yeah, the the there's
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been countless families who've reached out and said, "Hey, I didn't know one
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other family who had CTD besides us." I've had researchers reach out to offer
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their time at, you know, really prestigious universities. So, I am um forever blessed from this experience
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and, you know, I'm super excited to kind of hopefully report back to you in a
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couple years the the impact we've made. Yeah. Brilliant. Um, in in day-to-day
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terms, what does the disease mean? Like, is he is he communicative? Yeah. So, that that's probably the biggest
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challenge is um him communicating his needs and and what he wants. He has he has some words that kind of mom and dad
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can understand. Um and um but he's he's a smart kid. Like he he I think he knows more of
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what's going on than we give him credit for. But yeah, he uh he needs assistance
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with activities of daily living. So he will, you know, barring if there's no
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treatment, he'll live with us for the rest of his life. Um so, but it's uh
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he's he's a great little kid to be around. It's a lot for you and your wife, isn't
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it? actually for any parent with um you know special needs needs kids. It's a
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lot. Yeah. I mean it's it's certainly not something that you you get married
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and say hey I want to have a kid with special needs rare disease. Um but you know sometimes you don't get what you
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want. You kind of get what you need. And um you know I I what's helped me is I
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believe that he kind of his his soul his perfect soul came into this world to teach me and mom some lessons. And it's
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up to us to learn them and to love them. And um you know the good news is we're
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doing that. So it's yeah it's it's it's not easy. It's different. But man I I
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wouldn't trade it for the world. Was he able to watch TV and sort of you know
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comprehend what was going on? Good good good question. Um we had it on. I mean he he could see me but he didn't really
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understand that it's a competition that dad won it. Um but it's neat to kind of
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see and obviously they showed him some some videos and pictures of him too. So, it's neat for him to see that on the
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screen. Um, yeah, he didn't he didn't really fully understand what dad was
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doing. Hey, thanks for sharing that stuff. I really appreciate it. Yeah, of course. You know, it's um you know, and
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I hope if there's some families out there, especially in New Zealand, who um
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who need some support, who think that their their child has creatine transport deficiency, like feel free, you can
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reach out to me. I'm happy to help. Yeah. Oh, thanks for that. That's a very
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generous offer. So, um tell us about Jeff Allen pre pre-beast games. Like, what were you doing? You were in between
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jobs. You just lost your job and that's how you were able to do it. Yeah. I mean
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it's Yeah. This is another reason of trying to find the beauty of the bumps.
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I um I've been in healthcare and led sales teams my whole life and I was leading a a sales team for a startup and
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I got laid off last April. And so in May I filled out the application for Beast Games. In June I found out I'm in it and
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then July I get shipped off. So um interesting conversations to have with your wife. Hey, no longer do I have a
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job and now I'm going to some Mr. Beast, you know, summer camp. And she always
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kids around. She goes, "You and I are dealing with our midlife crisis very differently." But um I I got to have the
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time of my life. Like Beast Games was so fun. Yeah. I was I was thinking midlife
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crisis. She must have been like, "What is Jeff doing? He's just got to get this
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out of his system." And uh Yeah. So did you know who Mr. Beast was? Yeah. My my
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oldest son introduced me to him. My oldest son is a huge Mr. Beast fan. So, like I think it was like early last
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year, the year before, he's like, "Hey, Dad, can we watch these videos together?" I'm like, "All right, you
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know, I've heard of Mr. Beast. I saw him on Joe Rogan." Um, but once I started
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watching, I'm like, "Oh, this guy's pretty cool." Like, it's obviously fun
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for an 8-year-old to watch, but also fun for a 40ome year old. So, that's how I
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got introduced. And when I saw the application, I'm like, "Oh, this is a
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no-brainer. I can be cool dad for Jack and I can kind of have a platform for Lucas." What? There must have been like
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tens of thousands of of um applicants. What made your entry stand out? You I I don't know. I mean, my when I
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when I look at when I rewatch my my application video, it is very plain like my it's in my office. My office is a
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mess. Um I kind of, you know, messed up some words, but I, you know, I do think it was authentic. It was me and Lucas
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was in there, too. So, you know, the world got to see him. So, I think it was just more like, hey, this is a dad kind
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of going who's willing to do whatever it takes to try to find a treatment for a
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son. Um, and you know, the good news is it was enough for them to call me back. And you didn't um tell your wife you
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were applying. You just sent it off without running it past her first. Um, did did that get you in trouble? No, it
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didn't. I mean, no, it probably saved me. Um, you know, it was um, you know, I
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I might have been a little vague like, "Oh, hey, there's something that, you
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know, I'm looking at like, you know, like from a casting perspective, I was very, very vague cuz like if I tell her
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that I'm going to do something that's that I'm going to be gone for weeks,
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like she is like a logistical like conductor. So, she'll know, okay, so who's going to do this? Who's going to
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pick up for this? Who's going to take the camp? Who's going to be um be able
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to drive to this place?" So, like I didn't want her to do all those logistical juggling until I knew I was
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in. So, like once I was in, I told her and she was like, "Well, you're already
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in. Like, you can't not do it." And um she was awesome. She kind of looked at
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me and said, "Hey, like this is cool to go talk about Lucas' platform, but if
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you're going to be away for a handful of weeks, you better win this damn thing."
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, imagine if you turn down that million dollars when you're in
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the final three and you come home completely empty-handed with just a little number six keychain. I I would
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have to make I would have to make sure she did not watch that episode. Like honestly, like I had to come home with
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something or she would have killed me. Yeah. And what what was um the sort of due diligence they did like um that
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there must have been background checks to make sure you're not some sort of psychopath. Yeah. No, yeah, it was uh
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background checks. It was like social media checks. it was like kind of health and wellness, you know, obviously um you
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need to make sure other contestants are safe and that you're like, you know,
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physically and decent enough or emotional like a good enough emotional state. Um and then there was just kind
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of some general questions. So like I'd imagine when you're casting a thousand
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people, you wanted people from a kind of a wide variety of backgrounds and interest. They did a great job. You
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know, it was I was really surprised by how many good people. I thought there was going to be a lot more kind of like
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infighting or backstabbing, but there was a lot a lot of good folks. Did you have a strategy going into it or
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what sort of like preparation or training did you do? Yeah, I I thought it was going to be super physical or
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endurance. And I Yeah, I like that stuff. You know, I'm in decent enough shape endurance wise. Like I can fast
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for days. I can um you know, I'm I'm willing to put my body through weird
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things. I'm not not the best at it, but I'm willing to do it. So, like that's
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what I was training for. Um, and then we kind of get in there in the first episode. We're stacking like little kids
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blocks. Um, so there wasn't much physical to it except for the monster truck hole in episode 6, which was
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awesome. Um, but most of the game was social. It's like how well how how well
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can you do at making friends, earning trust, building relationships, and like that's like what I love to do in
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general. So, I got to like part of the game was just me being myself, which was a ton of fun. Yeah. Would you describe
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yourself normally in day-to-day life as like an extrovert or an introvert or I I
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think I'm a little bit in between. Like I usually like to take in my environment, get to know people, and
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then once I kind of like, you know, figure out kind of the environment, I'll
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I'll start being more active. But like like when I when I when I first went there on before I knew anybody um I was
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like very shy. Like I was like I'm like what am I doing here? I look around like
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I'm like one of the only few silverhaired guys there. And this one guy who made it to the top 10. This is
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this is before we even started 9:30. Patrick kind of put his hand on on my chest and said, "Hey, like you know
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started chitchatting me and I'm like I have no clue who you are. What are you
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talking about?" He's like, "Hey, you seem like a good guy. Come with us." And
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so I made friends and once I kind of had a group of friends, it allowed me to kind of really be a little bit more
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extroverted. Um, but usually I'm kind of in between in a game like this. Do you think it's
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better to be a leader or a follower in the games? Um, I I think it's circumstantial. I think there's
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certainly times to step up and there's a lot of times where you're better off
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blending in like um, you know, captains, people who step up. I mean, aside from 8:30, actually the captains were treated
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very well. If you really look at it, um, captains for the most part did well. Um,
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like Tana obviously got to the very end. Jeremy just got in trouble from the from
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the helicopters and then Dino, god bless him. Um, he got in trouble on the elimination train. But if you stepped
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up, you were rewarded. Um but like for me I I stepped up more on kind of small group sessions than doing it for the the
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entire group. Yeah. All right. I'm I'm keen to get into some um BTS stuff um
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behind the scenes. So you arrive on set um what do you get told your devices get
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taken off you straight away or? Yeah. So there was kind of two beast games. There's one where we had 2,000 people go
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to a thousand. That was in Vegas. That was to make it on to the Amazon show. And we get into our hotel in Las Vegas
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and they tell us, "You cannot leave your hotel room. We will bring food to you."
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And I I thought the game had already started. I was trying to memorize serial numbers on the lamps. Like I was trying
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to memorize what my room looked like. I thought I thought I'd have to recreate
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it. Um obviously I was totally wrong. Um but then once you kind of go into um Amazon Prime, we're down to a thousand.
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Yeah. You check in. you check in your electronics. So, you know, for the whole time I was there, no computer, no phone,
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really no concept of date. Um, time was kind of tough to find out. Um, and you just like like after a few days of like
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reaching for your phone. You get used to it and you kind of like feel like this weird sense of freedom and not have your
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phone and not like you just have to be wherever they tell you to go. It was um was pretty cool actually. Yeah. So, what
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did an average day look like on on Beast City? So, and what are the what are the
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sleeping arrangements, the living arrangements, the food hall? Yeah, the the the the food was awesome. Um, you
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know, we had this thing called Fables Cafe that they serve kind of three meals a day. There was snacks available 24/7,
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drinks and um available 24/7. And then the the sleeping arrangements like we it felt like you're like in a summer camp
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with bunk beds, but it was like comfortable and remarkable. I don't know how I played college football. I
00:22:39
expected our bunk of 50 men to smell like a locker room. Somehow they kept it they kept it nice. It was uh it was
00:22:46
good. And then um like B city was was awesome. Like I just I I can't believe
00:22:52
they built a giant city just for that. So um yeah, all the accommodations um in B city were were pretty pretty
00:23:02
rad. And how many how many cast and crew on site? Because that's one of the remarkable things for me. You you rarely
00:23:09
see them on camera. Yeah. Uh there's a lot, you know, when when you when you think and I've never
00:23:16
done a show like this. I've you know, I'm not kind of in TV or acting like on
00:23:22
film. So like for me, I'm not used to seeing this many cameras, this many sound people, production assistants,
00:23:29
gaffers, directors, lighting. So, like when when I walked in, especially in that first episode when we were all on
00:23:36
the pillars, like there was I think they they said there was over a thousand cameras recording, you know, that there
00:23:42
were GoPros on everybody's platform. It was just one of these it was just a crazy spectacle. And again, I mean,
00:23:49
that's what Mr. Beast does. What about duty of care and um yeah, looking after
00:23:54
the mental health of that many people. Yeah. Um, another thing that obviously they
00:23:59
they've thought of everything kind of once we got to Amazon Prime was there was a psychologist on staff
00:24:05
24/7. And so like if you needed to speak with someone or if you're struggling,
00:24:10
you could um you could reach out to one of the psychologists. And what about you with um homesickness
00:24:16
and um you're wondering what's happening at home? Like um were you were you were
00:24:20
you allowed like a daily phone call or anything like that? No, never. No, no. Oh, it's I mean I I wanted to, but it
00:24:26
was one of these things. My wife's like, "Hey, you better not call me because if
00:24:29
you call me, I'm going to think like you paid like you gave up some type of prize
00:24:33
to do it. I'll see you. I'll be back." My wife is awesome. My wife is tough and
00:24:38
sweet. So, she's just like, "Do not do not take any deals to call me." So,
00:24:43
yeah. Like, of course, I missed my family and there was a couple challenges where I really really missed him, but I
00:24:48
knew like I'm here. like going home is not an option without something substantial either telling Lucas' story
00:24:56
or or winning it. So, were they sort of in the dark? So, you you just went away and you got and
00:25:02
and your wife thought you were going to be away from maybe one day, maybe x amount of weeks. Yeah. You don't know. I
00:25:09
mean, u Yeah, because what happens is people get eliminated to go home essentially right away. like if you get
00:25:14
like and and most of the filming was done at night. Uh because it was outside, you need to you want to control
00:25:20
the lighting and the easiest way to do that is to have it be dark. So, we would film during the night. We'd get done in
00:25:27
the morning and like let's say like four or five o'clock in the morning. We'd be
00:25:31
able to sleep for eight hours, but if you got eliminated that night, you would go to a
00:25:37
hotel, they would process you, and they'd either get you on a flight later that night or early the next morning.
00:25:42
like there's like kind of no messing around. What do you mean process you? Yeah. So, everything from kind of
00:25:49
turning in your uniform to getting your technology back. Um if you wanted to speak to a psychologist, you could um
00:25:56
giving you your tickets back, your your your flights back home. So, just making sure that all the belongings you came
00:26:03
with, you get them returned. Um and they kind of get you on your way. It's like
00:26:07
leaving jail. I mean, I Yeah, I've never been, but I'd imagine that's what it's
00:26:11
like. It's like you got the Ziploc bag, here it is. Um, but yeah, it was uh I I
00:26:15
just I it was weird because there was like as you get further in the games, you your relationships get super strong.
00:26:21
And I remember in the top 10 when we got to the final six and my best friend of the game, 9:30, Patrick got eliminated.
00:26:29
And it's not like we get to spend time together. It's like a 30 second hug, a
00:26:34
handshake. Um we wish each other well and then he's off. And it's like this is
00:26:38
the guy I've spent every almost every moment with for the last five weeks and
00:26:42
now he's gone. It's just uh it's super bizarre. Was there much downtime or was
00:26:46
it pretty much just sleep, eat, film, repeat? Yeah, there was a lot of downtime. You know, if you think about
00:26:53
it, most of the day was downtime. And but you know, in the city, they had basketball courts, they had yoga mats,
00:27:01
they actually had free weights, they had a little soccer field. So there was stuff to do. Mhm. Um and they mostly
00:27:08
filmed at night. So there just a ton of socializing and it was I mean it was it was really really cool. The the
00:27:15
socializing was that the time to make um to make connections and sort of like develop a bit of a strategy in a way.
00:27:21
Yeah. Um yeah. So you know some people were there kind of you know having fun and chitchatting. There's other people
00:27:28
who took the game very seriously and kind of going okay this is what we think is next. You know what are we going to
00:27:32
do? Other people who are just building new relationships. So, it's a it's a
00:27:36
combination of it all, but uh as we kind of get deeper in the games, most of the
00:27:40
people are there to to win. And so, they're certainly kind of strategizing, teaming up, building alliances. Uh it
00:27:48
makes it a lot of fun. Yeah. Um competitiveness and also um a large sum of money can bring out like the worst in
00:27:54
people. Um yeah. Did you sort of find that like did things get sort of like you kind of nasty or [ __ ] towards the
00:28:00
end with some? Um, I think it I expected it to get way cheekier. Um, you know, there was a lot of good people for a
00:28:10
handful of reasons. Um, most people were kind of playing the kind of the game fair. Uh, I think I think season two is
00:28:17
going to get pretty nasty. I'm excited to watch it. Um, but yeah, like as you
00:28:22
get further in the games, you realize gosh, like you know, you get into the top 20, like there's a 5% chance that I
00:28:27
can win five million bucks. Get in the top 10. There's a 10% chance you get in
00:28:31
the top six after the coin flip. You're going there's like a 17% chance I can
00:28:35
win $10 million. Yeah. You're you're going to play hard. Yeah. Was there any chat when it got to
00:28:41
the pointy end like the the final five, final 10, final 20, whatever, was was there any like talk or strategy about
00:28:47
splitting the money or was that not allowed? Not allowed. Yeah. It's it's uh
00:28:50
explicit in the kind of the agreement we signed and then you know they they reiterated you know a few times
00:28:56
throughout the challenges like hey by the way just remember remind you guys like you can't make deals. Um so like it
00:29:02
was just one of these things that you could never do. And friends for life how many how many
00:29:07
how many of the thousand contestants are you going to keep in touch with? Uh it's
00:29:11
weird like I I with like um with sports and with school and with work like you make these amazing friends while you're
00:29:19
there and then you leave and like oh yeah like I remember Scott like let me shoot him a note with Beast Games like
00:29:26
I'm six months out and there's still people who I talk to every other day.
00:29:30
It's um you definitely friends for life really good people some very talented
00:29:35
people. So, um, yeah, I am, you know, I I won in so many ways on beast games. I'm so fortunate. Um, oh, it says I
00:29:44
think it says a lot about you as a person and just, you know, the sort of impact you have on other people and the
00:29:47
connections you make. could be, you know, and it's probably kind of the other end, too, is the I was
00:29:55
lucky to meet and connect with some amazing people. And um yeah, it's fun when you can kind of meet your match,
00:30:01
you know, people who want your best, who want to root for you and are fun to hang
00:30:05
out with. Like those are the best friends you can have. Um and the the second place getter, um I'm I'm guessing
00:30:12
you're not friends or is there any sort of No, no. I mean, I'm I'm I'm certainly
00:30:17
cordial with her, you know. She uh she's awesome. So I I was I was right next to
00:30:21
her in episode one. She was number 830. I was number 831. So we were stationed right next to each other. I got to know
00:30:26
her well. We spent two and a half days right next to each other. Um but I got a chance to talk to her a couple weeks
00:30:32
ago. We had a reunion show and got to meet her her daughters and um she she's
00:30:37
awesome. She is so competitive, so smart, so tough, and really really talented. U she's a professional
00:30:44
wrestler and um yeah, she's you know, she's great. Tana is gonna do great
00:30:49
things. She already has. And you know, I really hope to see her on uh season two.
00:30:54
Is Is she okay? Has she processed the loss? I think Yeah. I mean, when I saw her, she was good. But I mean, I I I
00:31:02
could imagine being in her shoes, you know, like turning down a million dollars at the bribe, turning down a
00:31:08
million dollars at the on episode 8 and turning down a million dollars on episode 10. Like, that would that would
00:31:15
be hard for me to process for sure. Um, what about lessons about human behavior, good and bad, from this
00:31:22
experience? Um, you know, I I think good is that there's a ton of good people out there
00:31:31
who like their word and integrity means something to them. Um, you know, I I was
00:31:37
really surprised that no one took the million-dollar bribe in episode two and three. That was crazy. And then um you
00:31:43
know bad you know you I I think I think money certainly brings people's personalities out you know and
00:31:57
um you know I wouldn't say it's bad but you definitely like it kind of surfaces
00:32:02
whoever you are. So it was just it was interesting for me to kind of really truly find out like who my who my
00:32:07
friends were on the show and who they weren't. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, what about
00:32:13
emotionally speaking? What was the most difficult challenge? Yeah. So, um, the challenges were all
00:32:20
crazy in their own kind of way. And you know, Mr. Beast kind of said before the the game started, this is going to be
00:32:26
the most emotional, psychologically intense games of your life. And they were like, uh, so episode three, we have
00:32:33
the red cubes where we go in with three people. Um, these are teams that we selected. So these were friends and we
00:32:41
can only leave if someone cussed himself to the wall. We were in there for 5 hours. It was like bright white like you
00:32:48
feel like you are in a like very sterile room. That one was like early on in the
00:32:53
games I was missing my kids a ton. And um I was just like oh my gosh like this is it. This is like this like we were
00:33:00
making no progress. It it was it was a total it it screwed with my mind like I I I screwed with my mind so much like I
00:33:07
didn't eat for a day or day and a half after. Yeah, that um yeah, that that challenge
00:33:12
was very memorable. Was that the one where you could request anything? There was a phone on the wall and you could
00:33:16
request what what did you guys request? So me personally like um again my aim was my son Lucas like how can I help
00:33:24
find a cure? So I I asked for a phone call with Elon Musk and Yeah. And I'm like, okay, like
00:33:31
Creatine is like the energy of the brain. Tesla is energy kind of uh, you know, different energy than Neuralink is
00:33:39
this company that has to do with the brain. So I'm like, if I can get a minute with him, I'll ask him to dinner.
00:33:43
I'll fly anywhere in the world. I'll, you know, pick his brain. Maybe he can
00:33:47
help make a connection to to try to find a cure. Um, and it was like three hours
00:33:52
late and in my mind I'm like going, "Mr. Beast always gives away Teslas. He's got
00:33:56
to know Elon." And one of the producers like kind of looks at me a couple hours
00:34:00
later goes, "You need to ask for something else. It's not going to happen." So, Oh, with Craig. With Craig.
00:34:07
Yeah. No. So, my my one of my buddies who was in my room asked for a tattoo artist. So, he got a giant Mr. Beast
00:34:13
tattoo. Um, and then I eventually asked for a psychologist to come into our room
00:34:18
because we we had one person in our room who didn't want to play a game. Most
00:34:22
people played a game to try to get out. Um, and there's one person in our room
00:34:26
who didn't want to play a game. She's like, "No, I'm not going to play." So, I
00:34:29
asked a psychologist to come in to try to help us get past that, and she didn't
00:34:34
have any luck. So, that one the one girl didn't play, and then it was me and my
00:34:38
buddy had to flip a coin, and obviously I came uh came out on top. What were some of the other items that
00:34:46
other contestants um requested? Um, it was crazy. I remember looking out my window and seeing a horse going to
00:34:54
walk to a cube. a horse. Yeah, it was a I mean everything from a horse to a psychic.
00:35:03
People were getting kind of massages, uh puppies, all different types of food. Um
00:35:10
literally you could ask for anything. It doesn't mean you would get it. And like
00:35:13
people always ask me like, "Hey, why didn't you ask for money or you know
00:35:17
something else?" Like you could ask for anything, but you couldn't take it with
00:35:20
you. So, like if you ask for $500,000, yeah, they might bring it in, but they're not going to let you leave with
00:35:26
it. Was Was Be City near near like a shopping complex or did they have like a big store room or I know. I mean, like
00:35:33
this is something that's it's cool because I've seen it in my comments on
00:35:36
like Tik Tok or YouTube because in my mind I'm going I think they had a lot of
00:35:40
that stuff there and then people are going this is Amazon Amazon Prime Beast Games like it's Amazon like I I
00:35:46
guarantee you they have a warehouse nearby. I'm like, "Oh, that probably
00:35:49
makes sense." But I do think they had a lot on like a lot on site. I think their
00:35:54
writers probably sat around and kind of go, "What are the weirdest things that
00:35:57
people will ask for? Can we have him here? Let's get a horse just in case." I
00:36:03
mean, like, cuz I was in such a bad place. Like, I was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to get eliminated." Like, no,
00:36:09
this this one girl doesn't want to play. Like, I just I felt so bad. And I look
00:36:13
out the window and see a horse and go, "What the hell am I doing here? what am
00:36:17
I doing here? So, it was uh it was crazy. What were the biggest lessons about yourself through this whole
00:36:23
experience? Not just that challenge, but the whole the whole series. Yeah. Um yeah, I I
00:36:30
think the people who went the furthest. Um and the people who I connected with the most were the people who tried to
00:36:37
help others, which is really cool. was just kind of reinforcing that those who share genuinely like typically typically
00:36:46
go far. Um especially the ones who's like they're not doing it for that reason like they're doing it because
00:36:51
that's who they are. Um then also like you know take risks like I mean again
00:36:58
I'm a 44 year old man father of two like I'm on the internet like the the the
00:37:05
highest point of the internet is Mr. beast with a bunch of internet people who are like in their 20s and maybe
00:37:10
early 30s. I didn't belong there, but I did like but when you like actually when
00:37:15
you watch the show like I made great friends with young people with older people. So it's like if there's
00:37:20
something you want to do like man just take the action and give it a shot cuz I spent so many
00:37:27
years thinking things had to be perfect and not taking chances. Um you know it's
00:37:33
just like you got to take the chance if you want to. M you seem I mean we've
00:37:37
only been speaking for 37 minutes, but you seem like a super calm and measured guy. Um did you did you ever lose your
00:37:43
[ __ ] or snap at any of the other contestants? Yeah. No. Um I I I am usually I try not to ride the highs too
00:37:51
high or lows too low. But um when when my friend JC in episode 8 took six $650,000
00:37:59
um I lost my [ __ ] Like I just I could not believe he did it. And I'm like are
00:38:04
you kidding me? like like this is a guy who um you know I bunked with and I knew
00:38:08
really well. I was just super super surprised. So like you know him and I kind of had a grown man kind of
00:38:14
argument, you know, like no fists were thrown. No fists were thrown, but it was definitely like, "Hey, what the hell are
00:38:25
you doing?" So like um I tried not to get too fired up, but sometimes I couldn't hold back. M he he
00:38:32
seemed um very tormented by his decision at the time, didn't he? Yeah. And I
00:38:38
don't blame him, you know, and it's one of these things like um like it is a game and like I have a
00:38:46
lot of different perspective now watching it than I did living it. And man, he got an opportunity to take
00:38:53
$650,000, man, do it. M um I I think I think where what kind of maybe tormented him is like I think he
00:39:00
also felt betrayed. Um he he I think he felt that people he trusted with the most were turning on him. So like I feel
00:39:08
like he was just experiencing kind of a whirlwind of emotions. Yeah. Did you did
00:39:13
you have much to do with Mr. Beast? Uh obviously in the beginning when there's
00:39:16
2,000 people then 1,000 people very little I'd imagine but um because you were there right to the very end. Yeah.
00:39:22
Did you have much one-on-one time? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. So, once we got down to the top 10, he spent like an
00:39:30
entire day and night with the top 10. So, we got to play games. We got to hang out with him and his fiance and uh a ton
00:39:36
of the other beast folks and it was great. And then on the top 10, episode 9, I was on the top floor and that's
00:39:44
kind of where he and Carl and Mac were all kind of in holding patterns in between kind of shooting. And so, I got
00:39:51
to talk to them too. And then obviously getting in the top six and the further I
00:39:56
go like there's time in between where I get to talk to him and he is it's just
00:40:01
crazy for me to think that he's 26 years old. Like he is so damn talented. He's
00:40:07
so committed to what he what he's doing. Like he's he does what he does so well
00:40:12
because he loves it. And so like it just yeah he I I knew he was a sensation. I knew he was like phenomenal what he
00:40:20
does. I just did not I did not expect him to be kind of as good of a guy too. Like I was I was pretty pretty taken
00:40:28
back. Oh yeah. And I mean the work ethic is just it's boggling, isn't it? It's
00:40:34
inspiring, you know, and again like I'm you know I played college sports, you
00:40:38
know, I I like to work hard. Um but to see that in someone who's achieved so
00:40:44
much like I feel like so many people who've achieved that at that age just kind of shut it down. M but he's doing
00:40:49
it for obviously more than just the uh the accolades or the money. He absolutely loves it. Yeah. If it was for
00:40:56
the accolades or the money, I he would have stopped by now, I'm sure. Yeah, that's that's my guess. What mean like
00:41:02
what makes you like you've done couple dozen marathons. Like why do you keep
00:41:07
going to the next one? Oh, just cuz I love it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um what since you've won, what have there been
00:41:15
any sort of like weird um interactions with fans of the show or any odd DMs or anything like that? Um people asking
00:41:24
Yeah. I mean I mean Yeah. I mean so I mean I've gotten you know some some pretty cool people have reached out to
00:41:28
me over DM which is great but like this is a funny one. Like my wife and I were traveling together a couple days ago and
00:41:35
um we're kind of in the jetway about to board the plane and this this girl turns
00:41:39
around. She goes, "Hey, were you were you on a TV show?" like, "Were you uh
00:41:43
were you on Beast Games?" I'm like, "Yeah." She goes, "Can I get a picture?"
00:41:45
I'm like, "Of course." I was ready to take a selfie. Then she hands the phone
00:41:48
to my wife and says, "Hey, can you take a picture of us?" And I'm looking at
00:41:52
like, "Oh my gosh, like this is just it's just something that like I never
00:41:56
thought would happen." It's just super interesting. But yeah, there's, you
00:41:59
know, people who are, you know, yelled out the window while I'm on a walk with
00:42:03
my son like, "Hey, congratulations." So, so people are people are recognizing me
00:42:08
on the street, but it's all kind of great wellwishes. Like, man, I um I'm
00:42:13
super super thankful. Um if you had to put a percentage of it, how much was luck and how much was
00:42:18
skill? I think a lot of it was luck, you know, or you know, or a lot of it was out of
00:42:26
my hands. I'll put it that way. Um but like a lot of the stuff that people think was luck had a little bit more
00:42:32
skill involved. Like for example, the first episode where you had to have someone self eliminate to in order to
00:42:39
move on. Well, the reason I was number 831 was from the YouTube video where we had to get our flags. And the people who
00:42:47
went and got the early flags like I need to go get this flag right away. I'm
00:42:50
going to get, you know, one through 100 or 100 through 200. Those were the rows that nobody chose to eliminate
00:42:56
themselves. So you think about these hard chargers who weren't around either
00:43:00
helping others or were weren't the the feelers who kind of felt like they needed help. Those were the rows that
00:43:06
got eliminated. So it's um but you know on paper that looks like chance. So it's
00:43:11
there was there was a lot of luck but there was certainly more skill but the skill was around kind of social. It was
00:43:20
it was a very very social game. Yes. So, so you win, then what happens? You jump on the pile of money and then
00:43:28
what? Like in the uh in the minutes or the hours after that? It was Yeah, it was it was bizarre. So, my my my wife
00:43:33
and my oldest son were there and I'm like, okay, like what do I do now? Like
00:43:36
for five or six weeks I've been told where to go, what to do, and they're
00:43:40
just like, you go back to the hotel and we'll send you your flights. And um so I
00:43:45
go back to my wife's hotel and I'm like, did I did this really just happen? Like,
00:43:50
did we really just win $10 million? So, I went to Dunkin Donuts and got like a coffee and a donut and like I'm sitting
00:43:57
there going, "What is happening?" Like, it just still all felt surreal, but then
00:44:02
it's weird. So, then I get to go home, but I can't tell anybody. Like, I can't
00:44:06
tell my mom. I can't tell my dad. Can't tell my sisters. I can't tell any of my
00:44:09
friends. So, it's like I have this giant secret that I'm super proud of and
00:44:13
excited about, but I have to keep it a secret for like five or six months. Yes. What? There must have been an NDA or
00:44:19
something. Um, you what was the penalty if you if if it got out, did you lose? Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, it's it's
00:44:24
strict. I mean, it's like Yeah. Like they reserve the right to like I think take it all. Um, but it's one of these
00:44:30
things where like in the in the final six, one of the show producers like gathered us together
00:44:36
and said, "Hey, like think about everything you did to get to this moment. Think about all the challenges.
00:44:41
Think about how much fun you had, the emotions you felt." Um, and he said, 'Believe it or not, people at home
00:44:47
watching it will have the same feelings, will feel the same emotions. So, you telling friends or other people how you
00:44:54
got out, when you got out, if you won, you're robbing them from the experience
00:44:58
that you just had. And so, that combined with the NDA was like enough for me to kind of go, man, I I don't want to do
00:45:04
that. And then, so, like, if you see my family's reaction, like my my parents,
00:45:07
my siblings, my nephews, my nieces, um, to me winning, it's all worth it, man.
00:45:12
like their their their elation is so raw and real. It's so cool. Did Did you have
00:45:18
to go through the um the outing process that all the other contestants did? Like
00:45:22
did you have to see a a therapist or anything? Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah. It was um you know, it's it's it's it was
00:45:29
interesting. It was probably, you know, a half an hour after I won, you know, like I think it's just they I had to do
00:45:36
it. And so it's like I can only imagine what it was like for the therapist, too,
00:45:39
to kind of go, "So, you won $10 million. how do you feel? Um, but she but she
00:45:44
kind of, you know, mapped out what it was. She goes like, "Hey, like I'm sure
00:45:47
you're going to feel awesome. It's going to be hard not to tell anybody. Life's
00:45:51
going to get back to normal. You'll probably for some weird reason are going
00:45:54
to get depressed." And a lot of like, you know, it's maybe like you've
00:45:58
experienced it kind of training for a marathon. Like you train for a marathon, maybe you have your your PR, but then
00:46:03
you're like, "Now what?" And um, and the same thing kind of happened. I just
00:46:07
rocked across California. like after I rucked across the state, I'm like miss
00:46:11
it. So the same thing happened with beast games. You kind of have you kind of get down. You're like you don't know
00:46:15
why, but that goes away and then you forget about it and then the games air again and then you get to feel it all
00:46:22
again, watch it with your family and then um you fast forward a few weeks, you know, you're sitting next talking to
00:46:28
uh the host from New Zealand having the time of your life. That must have been a
00:46:32
surreal experience watching it on TV. Um yeah, did it feel like you were back there? I mean, obviously you knew the
00:46:37
outcome. you knew how it was all going to play out. I I knew the outcome, but it was a different perspective. Like it
00:46:42
it was really cool for me to to see other people's experience. Like I I um I I knew my experience, but I didn't
00:46:52
know what the Habibi brothers were doing or Akira or Gage. So, it was just really
00:46:58
neat to see other people kind of go through their processes and their experience.
00:47:03
And when did you get the money? Was it after the final episode went to air? Yeah, it was. So, the final episode
00:47:08
aired on like the 13th and it was the 14th. So, it's like um um it was Valentine's Day and I Valentine's Day
00:47:15
I'll never forget. So, what? So, it just gets deposited into your into your bank account. Yeah,
00:47:21
it was just a wire. It's just a wire for the entire $10 million went into my bank
00:47:26
account and they really didn't tell me like they didn't call me and say, "Hey,
00:47:29
is it in there?" They just said, "Hey, this is going to come sometime in the
00:47:33
next couple days." And I looked down and it was there and I'm like, "Oh my gosh,
00:47:36
crazy." Unbelievable. Um, yeah, it is. It's like it's like it's it seems almost
00:47:41
fake, but it's not. Did you Did you have you considered just investing it? Uh,
00:47:46
like if you say you end up with 5 million after tax and you invested at 10%, that's half a million a year. You'd
00:47:51
never have to work again. Yeah. No, I mean that that's that's the plan. I
00:47:55
mean, obviously like our our goal is to stretch this money out, make it work for
00:47:59
us as long as we can to do two things. to obviously make sure my family is taken care of. Um, you know, the goal is
00:48:05
to make sure Lucas um is gonna be fine when mom and dad are no longer here, you know, and that his older brother Jack
00:48:12
doesn't have to look out for him financially. So, that's number one. Then, two, can we make the money work
00:48:18
stretch far enough so that we can help fund kind of treatments and really try to uncover to help more families like
00:48:25
ours. So, um, yeah, I mean, I am I'm lucky to be to have access to some really smart people who know how to do
00:48:32
good things with money, but yeah, my job is to make sure that this thing returns
00:48:36
as much as it can so um, we can take care of our family. Yeah. When people talk about that sort of sum of money,
00:48:42
they talk about it being a life-changing amount of money. Is it a life-changing amount of money? Oh, clearly. I mean,
00:48:46
it's um you know, it's clearly money that like in my mind it would take me
00:48:53
decades to have ever made, you know. Um you know, gez, like it's like could you
00:48:58
even make that in your lifetime? Geez, probably not. So, it definitely changes my life. Um, but it doesn't mean I need
00:49:06
to change my lifestyle, you know, like um, you know, fortunately, I think I I I went through that in my 20s and kind of
00:49:13
I needed to have fast cars and this that and the other and country clubs. Don't
00:49:17
get me wrong, those things are still great and maybe I'll get one someday, but right now I am uh I'm totally okay
00:49:22
with the lifestyle I got. Yeah. And what's next for you? Do you like do you want to work again or now that you've
00:49:27
got a taste of um you taste of fame I guess um do you want to keep sort of pursuing you know something a bit
00:49:33
public? Yeah. No, I mean I I definitely will pursue something um a little more kind of you
00:49:39
know content facing. So um you know I I just you know rocked across the state of
00:49:45
California 365 miles. We document it every day. It's pretty cool. It's on
00:49:48
YouTube. Uh Legacy 831 official. I'll be posting on kind of Instagram and then I
00:49:54
think there's some neat opportunities for me uh to help kind of advocate for
00:49:58
the rare disease community as well. So, in the time being, you'll see me doing
00:50:02
kind of more um more online things, but uh you know, I do have a knack for business. I like um you know, I'm I'm
00:50:10
like you and I'm like, you know, Mr. Beast, like I like to be busy. I like to
00:50:13
be doing stuff. So, um, you're not going to see me kind of like on a on a lawn
00:50:17
chair kind of sunbathing, reading magazines. You got to do something, eh? You got to be striving for something
00:50:23
else. Um, are you are you proud of yourself? Oh, um, of course. You know, it's um, it's funny cuz I don't think
00:50:31
anybody's asked me that. Um, yeah. Yeah. No, it's um I'm I'm I'm
00:50:37
proud that I I can like show my son both of them like to to go for stuff. And you're never kind of you're never kind
00:50:48
of uh blocked out of going for something like Yeah, I was I was the odd man out.
00:50:52
I was the old guy going on a young person's TV show, but I went for it. So, like, uh it's neat to be able to show
00:50:58
Jack that you can go for your dreams regardless of the age. and to be able to kind of show Lucas, you know, whether he
00:51:03
understands or not, that um it's amazing what those who love you will do for you.
00:51:08
And um I just think these are things that I'm proud of. And I again, there's
00:51:13
zero chance I could have done any of this stuff without my wife. Like she's she's taught me so much about myself,
00:51:18
too. So, it's just uh I'm proud of me, but I'm also proud of my entire family.
00:51:23
M do you think um do you think your religion and faith played a role in you winning as in like sort of a higher
00:51:29
power sort of looking after you because you for the right reasons? It's it's
00:51:32
hard it's hard to think not. Yeah, it's it's hard to think not. No, I um I've
00:51:37
got a great relationship with with God and um yeah, it like even even in the last challenge the the number six was
00:51:46
speaking to me like it it was I had a a sense of calm and a sense of certainty that I've never had. Um, and like I
00:51:54
don't know where it came from, but you know, you can you can surmise it's uh
00:51:58
from something divine. Hey, this has been so great, Jeff. Yeah. No, this is awesome. I uh I
00:52:07
enjoyed catching up. I I need to get some tips for you because now I'm I'm
00:52:10
supposed to run 68 kilometers in June in Holland to raise to raise money and I've
00:52:17
only ran one marathon. So, like, can I can I get ready in two and a half months? Of
00:52:23
course you can. Yeah, you can you're the winner of Beast Games. You can do anything.
00:52:29
Hey, I love that answer. But no, but um but I I I might need to pick your brain on um some training plans, but uh yeah,
00:52:35
I'm excited to I'm excited to get out there and continue to do stuff and kind
00:52:39
of raise awareness. But yeah, it's um Beast Games was a huge pivotal moment for me and hopefully it's just the start
00:52:45
of my journey to um to do great things for for kids with rare disease. Yeah. Brilliant. I um how can people follow
00:52:52
you? Yeah, you can you can find me on Instagram at legacy.831. YouTube legacy831 official.
00:53:00
Uh and you can find me on X and Tik Tok too. Legacy.8831. Jeff Randall Allen number 831, winner of
00:53:08
Beast Games and $10 million. Thank you so much for your time, mate. Really appreciate it. And um if you ever make
00:53:13
your way down to NZ, uh make sure you look me up and uh we'll go for a run. I
00:53:18
would love it. I I I really will. Thanks so much. You're a good man. Congratulations. Appreciate you. Take
00:53:23
care.