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Let's just say it like it is. He was a terrible person. And the other one was
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Jesse Kempson. >> Oh, the Grace Main. >> Yeah, the Grace Main. I mean,
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>> you know, the terrible thing about him was the parallel with Pulking Horn. It
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was the after death conduct we know Kim did with with Grace and which he never denied was just so awful, so terrible.
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And one of the terrors of the Pulking Horn trial was what the prosecution were basically saying in their version of
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events what he must have done with Pauline after she had died and this whole sort of rigma roll of of
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transporting the body and maneuvering the body which we know Kempson did cuz he never denied that. And of course,
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Phil Hulking once, well, I didn't a I didn't kill my wife, and b I I didn't do
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all these gruesome things to stage a suicide. But yeah, that was the parallel.