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hop in a driverless taxi with the Google
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owned self-driving company whmo opening
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up its Robo taxis to all users in that
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City the technology of course is hugely
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expensive alphabet's autonomous vehicle
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unit weo completing another major round
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of funding Teedra has served as co-ceo
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at whamos since
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2021 we are on a mission to build the
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world's most experienced driver and make
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it safe and easy for people and things
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to get where they're going this is not a
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move fast and break things this is a
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move with great great iterative pace and
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focus on
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safety please uh join me in welcoming to
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kedra from weo to the
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stage hi thank you for thank you it's a
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pleasure thanks for coming thank you so
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much Hi D thank you tea thanks so much
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for being here yeah thank you uh tequa
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has been co-ceo of weo since
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2021 where she leads the company's
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business operations and expansion in
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autonomous driving recently weo has been
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reported to be completing I don't know
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if weo put this out or if it wasn't been
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used but over 100,000 pay trips per week
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now is that is that public is that like
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a true thing it's completely true it's
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over 100,000 over 100,000 week week per
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week yeah that's awesome and um we can
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now see wh Mo's autonomous ride haing
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Services in Phoenix La San Francisco in
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the Bay Area Austin and I think on X you
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announced 5 billion an additional
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committed funding from alphabet I don't
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know if that was recent to support wh's
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expansion it was recent congratulations
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and um so thanks for joining us uh the
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weo story started a long time ago as a
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Google X Project when did you join and
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how did you kind of become coo yeah
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thank you um so weo started as the
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Google self-driving car project back in
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2009 and uh actually my co-ceo was one
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of those founding team members Demitri
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doov and in 2016 at the end of 2016 we
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spun out and sort of became wh um and
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that's when I joined um at that point it
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had been determined that the technology
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was on a good enough path to start to
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think about commercialization and scale
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um and so the funny the fun thing about
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joining a moonshot is you know I came
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from Big tech company so I'm like oh
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product Market fit like it's all there
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I'm going to join and we're going to
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scale and the reality is it was an
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opportunity to learn how much this is a
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process of discovery um how much this is
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a process of figuring out not only the
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technology roadmap but also the external
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environment and at that time I had been
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head of policy at a lot of companies and
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I joined under the idea that if the
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technology works the market opportunity
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would come from being able to open
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markets and so that was super terrifying
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to me because if you're at most large
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tech companies doing policy work you're
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actually trying to
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avoid costs or you're trying to defeat
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legislation that's harmful but this was
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really the opportunity of like how do
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you Usher in this amazing technology and
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so that's when I joined and then I um
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was asked by my prior CEO to help
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launched the first Market which was
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Phoenix back then it was Chandler um and
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we launched that back in 2017 and we've
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been since 2018 a lot of people don't
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realize we've had a 247 ride hailing
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service um Around the Clock it was in
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2020 during covid though that we removed
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the driver from behind the wheel so we
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have the weo driver uh that's driving
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the vehicles at all time but there's no
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human behind the wheel and we've been
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offering that service now we're almost
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at four years 24/7 not only in Phoenix
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which was a 315 square m mile territory
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but also in San Francisco and now here
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in La so in that sort of ushering in
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from Market one to this role I moved
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through this coo role um and that's when
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we actually remov the driver and that's
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you know it was the we're the first
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company that's done that and um so it
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was daunting and I think that's one
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thing I love about wh we call our team
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wonuts is you just have to every time
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get to this point of determining what's
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good enough uh what's safe enough yeah
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and then make that leap and then learn
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because you can't learn until you get to
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that next point and so of course we have
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rigorous safety culture um but it was in
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that time that I was coo and then in
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April of 21 I moved into the co-ceo role
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with Demitri so now now that it's
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scaling 100,000 paid rides a week maybe
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we can talk a little bit I mean Jason SP
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a lot maybe starting with security would
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be an interest safety rather would be a
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really good idea um you've done it seems
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like millions of rides now no fatalities
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correct that's right um but there have
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been accidents so when you look at the
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the accidents that have occurred how
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often does an accident occur and in what
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percentage of the time is it just
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somebody running into the weo versus the
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wayo running into somebody else yeah so
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we've done 2 million sort of paid rides
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um so when we think about we just
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released this week our safety Hub so
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this you're sort of tapping into an
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issue that's really important what we've
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been able to determine as of June of
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this year with over 22 million what we
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refer to as Ro miles those are miles
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that are fully autonomous
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uh we've been able to have 83% fewer
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airbag deployments which of course is
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important because those are high impact
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um and 74 or 73% fewer injury causing
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crashes now that's what we're focused
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over a human over a traditional
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traditional human meaning the
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counterfactual in that area at that same
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point in time exactly via insurance
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claims and other data ex we're not we're
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comparing in San Francisco not on
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highways there Apple Apple's comparison
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we're comparing in San Francisco or in
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Phoenix okay great because this is the
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next piece which is you're not yet on
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highways that's right we're testing on
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highways in Phoenix and San Francisco
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saf drivers with employees and a human
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behind the wheel at times and maybe you
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could explain to us when why you're
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taking that approach cuz in my
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experience driving a Tesla since the
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beginning with full self-driving and
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autopilot before that um it seems like
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it's better on the highway than is on
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local streets where you have people
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jumping out and weird things that occur
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on the highway you very rarely have a
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run into a weird thing it's it's pretty
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ABC so I I would think it was the
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opposite but is it because speed kills
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what what's the thinking there so I
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think so just for everyone to orient um
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when you think about the levels of
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autonomy we are only focused on level
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four and above level four and above
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means you do not need a driver's license
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nor do you need to sit behind the wheel
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so when you're focused on tackling the
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hardest challenge first it's really
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important to for the driver the weo
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driver to ingest dense Urban
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environments because that is where the
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driver is going to learn the most
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sitting on freeway seeing the same thing
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every day can be predictable it's not
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entirely predictable but it's not
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additive to what the machine learns
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that's a great answer so we're trying to
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learn as much as we can learn and we've
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always from the beginning been focused
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on freeways it's just that freeways
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isn't actually how the machine learns
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the fastest in the most sophisticated
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environments but because you brought up
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you know sort of a level three or two or
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one system I think it's also important
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that for systems where you need someone
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to sit behind the wheel you can have a
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completely different approach to this
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technology but we're really when I don't
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know how many of you here have had the
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chance to take a away my ride here in La
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it actually includes this campus where
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we're sitting right now but we you don't
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you can't sit behind the wheel so
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there's no ambiguity you sit in the
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passenger seat or you sit in the back
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seat so let's talk about the lar versus
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camera bet elon's been pretty clear hey
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you don't need lar it's a waste of money
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the lar on Whos I believe is still in
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the $1 to $220,000 in incremental class
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am I ballpark correct I not sure oh okay
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um so with that as you scale costs go
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down yeah of course
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so who's who's right I mean are you
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using the liar and is that a critical
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piece of this or do you think eventually
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hey the cameras are seeing
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360° they have higher Fidelity than
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human eyes so and if humans do a great
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job and you just have to beat the humans
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at driving why even have the liar what
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do you think so obviously we have
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conviction that we need liar radar and
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cameras uh we have all three it's given
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us the opportunity to scale at this
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point we're the only company that's
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doing level four driving on public roads
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24 hours a day it's very different to
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get to the place of a demo we learned
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that ourselves back in 2015 and 16 and
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17 we had an autopilot Highway um
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product we allowed employees at the time
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Google employees to ride in that product
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we told them to pay attention we told
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them you have to be alert and be
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prepared to take over what did they do
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they do we're human we want to do other
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staff when we're in the car like I want
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to be on the phone I want to get to that
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meeting I need to send that last email I
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need to check whether or not my son's
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doctor's appointment is tomorrow and
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next Thursday we're distracted and so
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what happens the thing's beeping at you
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it's telling you to re-engage and pay
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attention and what we learned is that
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that's not a way to improve road safety
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and so the question is what's the end
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goal is it to improve Road Safety or not
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for us as a company we are obsessed our
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our culture is about safety this mission
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is about safety and we want to expand
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the number of people who have access to
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Mobility options if you need a driver's
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license then it's just like every other
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Mobility platform you have to be behind
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the wheel can I sorry go ahead I'm
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curious about when this flips from a
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technology problem and a go to market
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problem to one of Public
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Health um because that's a staggering
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fact and you know we all know people
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that have lost somebody close to them
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whether it's just a road accident or the
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dunk driving or to you know I don't know
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if you guys saw anybody follows hockey
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but the you know Johnny hocky who was
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killed with his brother the day before
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his sister's wedding by a drunk drive
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this is like so avoidable so what does
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it take for a politician or a group of
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of politicians and I don't even know at
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which level this decision would get made
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where they say okay we've seen enough
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that should be the only solution and are
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you pushing for that so we are pushing
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to make sure people who put autonomous
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vehicles on the road have to demonstrate
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their safety case we think the worst
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thing that could happen is introducing a
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new technology that doesn't actually
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improve this problem because it'll kill
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the whole industry because it'll kill
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the whole industry and the State of
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Affairs 4 ,000 Americans 1.35 globally
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dying annually from Road crashes is
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avoidable and so the challenge that we
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have to tackle with a lot of humility is
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how prepared is the public you know
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humans can kill other people how
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prepared is the public to accept that
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this isn't going to be a Panacea and
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it's not going to be perfect you didn't
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hear me say 100% 100% 100 right was 70
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there'll be a small error R there's
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going to be a small and so that's the
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work that we're doing which is we have
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Community Partners Mothers Against Drunk
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Driving national Safety Council a host
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of organizations who've been trying to
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tackle this issue who we partnered with
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early because it's it's actually in both
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of our interest to figure out how to
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tell the story that if this technology
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can reduce 60% of the uh fatalities then
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it's worth the exposure to the risk are
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you on any sort of internal shock clock
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meaning there must have been a moment
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where you convened a meeting or you guys
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had a meeting and you said all right we
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have enough data let's go we're going to
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pull the guy out of the car or hey this
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is it we're ready and then you show it
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to regulators and they say okay is there
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a set of these really important
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Milestones that we're going to feel like
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goes to other cities like is it only
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grid cities where this works like so
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where do you go from here yeah I hope I
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hope that what over time you start to
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experience is one because we are you
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know super focused on safety you'll see
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us scaling
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um and because we're building a driver
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and not a car you'll see a scaling in a
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number of ways so we have Partnerships
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right now we have a partnership with
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Uber in Phoenix why are we doing that
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people are like oh my gosh I got my Uber
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Eats in AO like why are you all doing
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that it's because we're building a
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driver and so we're trying to figure out
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all of the ways in which this driver
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could be applied to future use cases and
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so over time you're certainly going to
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see us announce new places but you're
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also going to see like in San Francisco
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we launched a 24-hour service in a
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limited territory and over time we've
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expanded that territory is a step
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functioning complexity to go to cities
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that are more how would I call it more
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chaotically City planned it is
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definitely an opportunity for the driver
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to learn more and so coming to Los
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Angeles for example was more like being
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in Phoenix going to Austin exactly
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exactly going to Manhattan we will
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certainly benefit from our work in San
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Francisco same thing with DC start with
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the GD cities and work your way into
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more complex Series so can I follow up
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on the um on that that last point I I I
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have a friend who's the third or fourth
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investor in Uber and
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um and he he's uh he's very worried that
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once this product scales there's not
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really giv me a need for Uber anymore
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right why would you need Uber if you can
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just summon the robot car directly or
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the robot driver whatever you want to
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call it right driver car whatever I mean
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doesn't this logically disrupt
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Uber at you know once it's at
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scale I think
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um well they're a current part I said we
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have a partnership with right I mean I
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have we have a partnership your friend
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hasn't sold enough
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share your friend's doing just fine we
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have the partnership with Uber because
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we think it's important for us to create
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an AV ecosystem around this technology
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like this isn't going to be we've
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created technology we're going to figure
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out everything ourselves like that would
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be foolish and very expensive and we'd
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never find ourselves profitable but
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having companies that are experts in
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integration having Automotive partner
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you know we have we're not building the
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car having network Partners having Fleet
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operating Partners public officials like
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there's a lot that is built around us
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and these are the early days the early
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Innings and so that's part of it is
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learning in the I'd say five years ago
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people would say to me you know Network
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operators would say oh this is exactly
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like we know how to do this well this is
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a constrained Supply it's not a supply
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you just sege this is a driver that you
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need to understand actually how to
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operate with and so I think we're going
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through those steps to learn together
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and so what I would say is there's room
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for a lot of people under this is the is
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the insurance Lobby in the insurance
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industry a proponent
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or do they would they try to constrain
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your progress so one of the largest uh
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reinsurers in the world swisser is
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actually been doing our safety yeah they
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would want to underwrite this yeah but
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I'm talking about more like the Geico of
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the world same I think they're very
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eager to get the data sets that we're
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releasing like we released set 20 uh
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safety papers last year they're all
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wanting to understand what the actual
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impact of this technology can be because
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you know one of the things I think
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that's hard for us to grasp as as humans
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or at least I'll say for me I don't like
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speaking for everybody the
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you know we drive in a week more than a
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human drives in a
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lifetime and you can say that as a
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company that runs fleets but we're the
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only company where it's one
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driver and that's not like that's not
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the way the world is organized right now
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right FedEx has a lot of drivers all of
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you who have Teslas have a lot of
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drivers like everyone has a lot of
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drivers and all of those drivers have
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different capabilities this is one
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driver learning all the time in
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unison and so like what can we
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demonstrate that's possible and it
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really goes back to your other question
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of like what do what are policy makers 5
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years from now really going to want to
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know and how will they be able to derive
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from what we're doing today where were
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you when you heard the news of Cruz
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dragging that woman in San Francisco 20
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feet and then where were you and what
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was your reaction internally to when you
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found out Cruz covered it up
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um I don't remember where I was uh when
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I learned but I um you know it's we're
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here to improve Road Safety so it was
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pretty um upsetting I think to me and
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the whole org I think as we learned
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about the lack of transparency like our
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view has just been be transparent it's
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not Perfection like it's technology yeah
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but you're considered they contemporary
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and you have a different approach you
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would never cover it up um they
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obviously had something dysfunctional
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did that set the industry back
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significantly how are Regulators talking
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to you before and after that if
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differently if at all it definitely led
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to more scrutiny in San Francisco
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because there was already an active and
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continues to be a fairly active voice
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against technology in San Francisco and
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so we needed to continue to engage which
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we were already doing provide more data
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which which we're of course willing to
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do and I think over time what we'll see
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is you know we have to get to a place
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where the amount of data that we're
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providing actually advances the safety
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concerns I think at that point it was
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just providing a lot more engagement so
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if the mission is to reduce those debts
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and to really scale this technology Uber
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is doing a quarter billion rides a week
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uh you just raised five billion it's a
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big number uh that gives you another
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50,000 cars um which is a fraction of
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the rides in but one city
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it seems like you need a lot of Partners
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in the car space to build this so
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wouldn't the best strategy be to license
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this technology to every car maker and
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then allow the Ubers the lifts the door
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dashes um and Fleet managers to handle
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cleaning the puke in the back of the
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cars and putting the air in the tires
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because I don't think wao wants to be in
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the back of that car cleaning up the
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puke and the and doing the air Tire
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right there has to be somebody who
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manages all that so so maybe talk a
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little bit about that possibility of and
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even a more beautiful thing would be for
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you to open source it so has there been
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a discussion internally about open
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sourcing this technology so I'll start
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at the beginning I think what you just
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described is exactly the AV ecosystem
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that I'm talking about and yes out of
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necessity and because we are the I mean
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whoever was first was going to need to
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create this it doesn't exist right so
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we're doing that um I think the second
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part of what you're talking let everyone
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do what they're good at like we're good
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at building this driver there's though a
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period where we have to become really
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good at what does it mean to operate at
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scale and that's the that's where we are
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right now what does it mean to operate
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at scale what does it you know
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technology can work and not be
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delightful not be reusable not be
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repeatable and that you know we don't
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just want people having tourism rides we
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want people actually integrating this
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into their lives and we just did a a ux
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study and we found that a third of
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people use the service in San Francisco
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to go to their doctor appointments we're
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like that feels like real life and 36%
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uh we using the vehicles to go to local
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businesses which is also real life and
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so these are the kinds of signals that
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we're trying to get as far as like
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personally Owned Cars we've always said
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as part of our strategy from the
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beginning that we would start with ride
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hailing and local delivery and that
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eventually we would make our technology
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available to um Automotive companies so
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that this you know at some point you'll
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find wayo cars sitting on showroom
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floors for sale oh wow so you you we
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could go buy one and then put it into
00:20:27
whatever Fleet we want yes what does it
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cost to make one of these cars today and
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where do you see it in 5 years yeah and
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just I guess on that question where's
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the Tipping Point Unit economics so if
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you look at on the ride hailing business
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based on I know a lot of people drive
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during rush hour and then they don't
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need rides the rest of the time so
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there's a lot of excess inventory
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sitting around so if you look at the
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utilization of a car over its lifetime
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and the cost of the car over the
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lifetime what's the the breaking point
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where the unit economics Mak sense yeah
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um so your question of cost of car we
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just don't break it out since we're not
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um reported separately for alphabet
00:21:01
we're just bundled rumor is a buck 50
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right now it's
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close Okay fck 25 not commenting on
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rumors not commenting on rumors wa wait
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if that's that's just the um the system
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for self-drive the car plus the system
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The Car Plus but what 125 to 150 is the
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rumor rumored cost for the car today
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actually is like comment on the rumor
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well but but that's I mean that's
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obviously a lot more than a Tesla right
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so
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yeah t 40,000 50,000 yeah so do we do we
00:21:32
know ballparks here what can we
00:21:37
say keep on so fun we're just we're
00:21:40
poker players so we're trying to read
00:21:41
you and bait you and it's not working we
00:21:44
didn't know you were a Jedi so so so
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sorry let me just ask is it about
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Reinventing the system or getting the
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next gen of the system before the unit
00:21:51
economics break or is it about volume
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what's the breaking point of where the
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unit economics become profitable become
00:21:57
positive um yeah not not going to get
00:22:00
into that other than to say to you I is
00:22:03
the thing I spend all of my time focus
00:22:05
on and we are on but there's a path
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there there's completely a path there
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well without getting into costs so is
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one of the plans here to sell this to
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you know all the car makers so that they
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can compete with Tesla because most of
00:22:19
the car companies do not have the
00:22:21
technical capabilities to develop their
00:22:23
own self-driving it's just impossible so
00:22:25
are you guys going to be like an oem to
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all the car makers so that they can
00:22:29
provide self-driving yeah we've said
00:22:33
sort of publicly and we've had
00:22:34
Partnerships where we've made the
00:22:35
technology available um it's a question
00:22:38
of when you know when will a level four
00:22:42
sort of product be available and
00:22:43
interesting to Consumers at scale you
00:22:46
know that's part of the question but
00:22:48
absolutely this is part of our strategy
00:22:50
friend of mine can I that yeah of course
00:22:52
I'm sorry friend of mine um who couldn't
00:22:54
make it here um is an angel investor and
00:22:56
Uber and um
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he uh
00:23:01
was no uh if you look at the business
00:23:04
outside of the United States actually if
00:23:06
you look at Uber's business um there's a
00:23:08
lot of opportunity in other markets and
00:23:11
sometimes in other markets they will
00:23:12
prove probably more able and open-minded
00:23:16
to taking like the public health
00:23:18
priority around these things so why such
00:23:22
a heavy Reliance on America considering
00:23:25
the scale and the impr premature of
00:23:27
Google could probably pull you into any
00:23:29
number of markets anywhere around the
00:23:30
world yeah so we really think about it
00:23:34
as this sort of Learning Journey but
00:23:36
it's also just where we started right I
00:23:38
mean part part of the conversation we
00:23:40
get to have now is what would if the
00:23:43
driver was at this level of maturity
00:23:45
where would we have started um that said
00:23:48
we have Global aspirations we are always
00:23:50
thinking about the does it just take one
00:23:52
geography to prove this point or do do
00:23:55
you view it the problem that way like
00:23:57
it's like we're training we're training
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we're training and then at some point
00:24:00
there'll be some City or yeah County
00:24:03
which point I just want to make sure I
00:24:05
understand this idea where like you can
00:24:06
prove that it's just so reliable and
00:24:08
valuable and that you're saving just I I
00:24:12
really care about that idea yeah to who
00:24:15
who who would it prove the point to the
00:24:18
people that would make the rules I guess
00:24:20
yeah I think I hope I I don't know I
00:24:25
think there's a lot of noise in the
00:24:27
system there's a lot of confusion about
00:24:30
full autonomy versus partial
00:24:32
autonomy um there's not a lot of
00:24:35
legislative activity that's informed by
00:24:38
experts right so I don't know right like
00:24:41
certainly It's My Hope and I think one
00:24:44
of the things when you think about
00:24:46
certain countries around the world there
00:24:47
is more of a nation state top- down
00:24:50
approach to some uh regulations and so
00:24:53
that could be easier Singapore yeah you
00:24:55
prove it it's codified into law you
00:24:59
launch um it had it that hasn't been the
00:25:03
primary way we've thought about Market
00:25:04
entri or opportunity but certainly one
00:25:06
of the yeah are but as long as some
00:25:08
markets adopt the rest of the markets
00:25:10
will see and they'll fall behind and I
00:25:12
mean you just have to penetrate some
00:25:13
markets yeah from Google had amazing
00:25:16
success with Android and open source so
00:25:18
back to that open source question you
00:25:20
must have had this discussion many times
00:25:22
internally why not open source the
00:25:24
technology and then provide you know the
00:25:26
premium Android to people who want want
00:25:28
to pay and is that something on the road
00:25:30
map because I hear there's a big
00:25:31
discussion internally to car OEM just
00:25:34
open sourcing the maps the software to
00:25:37
make everybody contribute to it to just
00:25:39
get this out quicker so where where are
00:25:41
you at with those internal discussions
00:25:42
that wayo give away the whole business
00:25:44
yeah exactly no well I mean Android it's
00:25:46
worked right I 20 billion in it's like
00:25:48
let's just give it away well I mean but
00:25:49
freedberg if you look at Android it's
00:25:52
only gotten stronger right completely
00:25:53
different I think that that was
00:25:55
Defensive on search but not your answer
00:25:57
no I like it when you guys answer each
00:25:59
other's questions cuz I get to learn
00:26:01
what you actually want to see your
00:26:02
answer we we fight a lot it's fine no
00:26:04
it's fun it's actually fun for me um so
00:26:07
feel free to keep so on the question of
00:26:12
open sourcing that isn't something that
00:26:15
we're spending a lot of time talking
00:26:16
about right now let's talk about level
00:26:18
six which I believe is inclimate weather
00:26:21
and really heart yeah oh level five
00:26:23
rather sorry um and I know when I'm in
00:26:26
my Tesla it gives me a little warning
00:26:27
hey in Clement weather and the FSD might
00:26:30
be degraded you know extra attention
00:26:31
time um how close are you you know to
00:26:35
feeling comfortable with these things
00:26:37
driving in snow ice rain or when that
00:26:40
happens do fleets just pull over and
00:26:43
game over you know you have you can't
00:26:44
use these this technology yeah we've uh
00:26:47
been improving weather we've tested
00:26:49
across 25 cities specifically for that
00:26:52
so we had massive storms in San
00:26:55
Francisco last year and we didn't take
00:26:57
down the fleet like our fleet was able
00:26:59
to handle all of the rain so rain and
00:27:00
flooding pretty good rain May good
00:27:03
because of like uh liar and radar
00:27:07
maybe you said it okay fog snow ice um
00:27:11
so we've tested
00:27:12
in we've tested in snow and ice we don't
00:27:16
have any deployments there but that's an
00:27:18
area that we're learning fog we've been
00:27:20
able to master that
00:27:23
280 no problem same thing with those
00:27:25
sandstorms in Phoenix that was an early
00:27:28
like those are actually you know very
00:27:30
challenging and then there swarms of
00:27:32
birds in Phoenix like really and and
00:27:35
heat right you have a machine brutal
00:27:37
it's like it's like Revelation
00:27:40
like there's a lot there's a lot and you
00:27:43
know we're the only company that can
00:27:44
pick you up autonomously at the airport
00:27:47
right and so
00:27:50
like is whole thing what has been the
00:27:52
hardest um challenge for you as CEO
00:27:58
I think we've heard I mean we've heard
00:27:59
all these rumors about like cultural
00:28:01
issues at Google or whatnot but you know
00:28:04
I get the sense that you're much more
00:28:05
separated in terms of building a much
00:28:08
more Technical and specific culture but
00:28:10
what what have been the hardest
00:28:11
challenges for you I think one of the
00:28:13
hardest challenges was making we made
00:28:16
such a big decision in going fully
00:28:20
autonomous which is sort of the reason
00:28:22
we're here during CO mean getting that
00:28:25
person out the person from behind the
00:28:27
wheel scaling this and so then bringing
00:28:29
the culture back together to now scale
00:28:32
so we just needed like we needed a
00:28:34
minute to lock back in that's one of the
00:28:36
things and the other one I would say is
00:28:37
what you just said which is you know
00:28:40
it's a brilliant team and the team works
00:28:44
really hard but like bad things are
00:28:47
going to happen in the real world with
00:28:48
human drivers around our cars and the
00:28:51
team takes that so seriously and so
00:28:54
that's it's it's like a it's like having
00:28:56
worked at I mean I worked at a I know
00:28:58
there too but like other kinds of tech
00:29:01
companies I know every kind of company
00:29:02
is stressful it's a different kind of
00:29:04
stress When people's lives are
00:29:06
completely and they personalize work
00:29:08
yeah and so that's it's just a different
00:29:10
level of stress and
00:29:12
accountability responsibility
00:29:14
differently because of that pressure or
00:29:16
no you do when things happen in Industry
00:29:19
you know we need people to sort of you
00:29:22
know stay buckled in and believing that
00:29:24
this is something that is worth it it's
00:29:26
audacious it's hard but it's worth it
00:29:29
and it and it's bigger most people come
00:29:31
because they have lost someone like
00:29:33
they're very Mis can I be very honest
00:29:34
with you it's it's an incredible framing
00:29:36
you gave and I I totally missed it for
00:29:38
so many years which is when you said
00:29:39
we're building one driver I thought for
00:29:42
whatever reason you were building an
00:29:43
autonomous driving system which I I
00:29:45
interpreted very technologically for a
00:29:46
very long time but you're absolutely
00:29:48
right you have one goal it's very
00:29:49
clarifying actually the world's greatest
00:29:51
driver one the world's greatest driver
00:29:53
world's most trusted driver most trusted
00:29:55
driver Teedra thank you forred yeah I
00:29:58
mean incredible thank you so much
00:30:00
yeah thank you it was awesome thank you
00:30:03
so much
