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All right, everybody. Welcome back to
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part two of the All-In podcast, episode
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263. We promised you a part two because
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we are very lucky that my dear friend
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Shvvin Pishavar was able to set up a
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very important historic interview for us
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today. None other than Prince Resa Pavi
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is here and we have a limited amount of
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time with you uh Reza. And uh may I call
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you Resa or should I call you Prince
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Resa?
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>> Sorry. Thank you.
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>> Uh,
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>> thank you for having me on your program.
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>> It It's great to have you and this is a
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moment I think you've been waiting 47
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close to 50 years for which is we are at
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this moment in time looking at
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potentially the people of Iran being
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free. You left the country and when you
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were 17 years old to become a pilot and
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now you are looking to help your people
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with a transition post this military
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activity this operation
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essentially a war that's going on right
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now that we all hope gets resolved
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quickly.
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I think people would love to know what
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is your vision for Iran post this uh
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military action.
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>> Well, thank you again for the
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opportunity. Before I get into that, I
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wanted to simply uh stress the
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importance of this intervention that to
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us was like a rescue mission. It was
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literally an a humanitarian intervention
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to protect more lives that would
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otherwise be lost under this extremely
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brutal and repressive regime that as you
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know has massacred as of late uh tens of
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thousands of innocent and unarmed
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citizens in order to equalize the
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playing field. This was a much needed uh
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intervention that a lot of Iranians
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asked for and fortunately it did happen.
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But what's the next step? Where are we
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headed to? The most obvious question
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will be once the regime collapses how do
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we manage the transition. I've stepped
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in to lead this transition with the help
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of many of my compatriots from various
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sectors. We believe that a stable
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transition will lead to a address the
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immediate needs of the country but then
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set the country on a path of
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redevelopment and reconstruction which
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is of course something that we were
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always hoping for that could not have
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happened under this corrupt mafiaike
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regime. Iran should have been had it not
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been for the revolution today's South
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Korea of the region. Instead, it has
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become the North Korea of the region.
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Why? Not because our people are not
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gifted or talented or capable, not
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because we lack uh natural resources.
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It's simply because of a corrupt bad
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management and a regime that basically
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took our country hostage, used it as a
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launching pad to export an ideology. And
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that's why we are here today. A
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different Iran, a democratic secular
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Iran will first and foremost bring about
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the opportunities to our nation. But it
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will open Iran for business again. Iran
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is one of the most untapped
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economic opportunities of the 21st
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century. And it could tremendously uh
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change the shape of our world in terms
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of what would be beneficial to the
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Iranian people of course but also from
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the vantage point of a country like the
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United States and billions of dollars
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that will be generated as a result of
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doing business in Iran. We figure about
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1 trillion in the first 10 years to the
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US market but also billions of dollars
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that will be invested into Iran and
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everything that we need to have done in
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order to rebuild our country. These are
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crazy opportunities that uh we can look
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forward to. And it all starts with uh
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moving towards this recovery and
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transition. And when your father was in
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charge, it was a monarchy turned into a
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dictatorship. And to be clear, the hope
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now is to evolve into a democracy with
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free elections for the people. Average
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age of people in Iran now early 30s, 31,
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32 years old. What would that look like?
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what is a possible timeline and you are
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uh have said on other programs and on
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your YouTube channel which I suggest
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everybody go search for and follow right
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now because you're speaking directly to
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the people on X and on your YouTube
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channel. What is what is the condition
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on the ground from the people you're
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talking to? You said you've been talking
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to uh people in the military, civilians
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and other leadership. They're ready to
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move on. What's the timeline and what
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are they telling you is happening on the
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ground today as we sit here?
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>> Well, I think that now the playing field
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has been equalized, meaning that the
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people could finally, of course,
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awaiting the end of this campaign have a
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better opportunity to re-engage the
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streets and take over uh their homeland.
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uh of course part of the equation is how
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much implosion from within the regime
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and how much defections from the regime
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in the sense of joining with the people
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this time and not be an instrument that
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will halt the people's progress but
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instead help the people in that
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transition meaning uh whether people are
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in the military or security forces as
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well as the civilian bureaucracy unlike
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what happened after the fall of Saddam
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Hussein and debatification the scenario
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of change in Iran is totally different
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and let's not forget Iran is a multiple
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century old nation state. It's a country
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that is extremely unified and united for
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this common purpose. Under this tent, we
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have diverse uh groups that are joining
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in this national campaign. People who
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are on the right, the center, the left,
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monarchists, Republicans, ethnic groups,
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religious groups, every sector of
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society is engaged. I have had
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tremendous amount of support coming from
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inside Iran. We have the support of the
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uh intelligencia. We have the support of
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universities. We have the support of the
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working class. We have the support of uh
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the diaspora that can bring a lot to
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this equation. I think this is a good
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recipe that will allow us to manage this
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transition but set the country to clean
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up, be ready for business and create the
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opportunities that will finally impact
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first and foremost Iranians who have
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been starving as a result of this
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regime's corruption, but have a true
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opportunity to get back on track and
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improve their livelihood. And I think
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it's also good for those who partner
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with us in this process because there's
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a lot to be uh done that will be win-win
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as opposed to be lose-lose to the
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benefit of this corrupt regime. That has
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been the story of the past almost five
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decades. So the difference lies about
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this change and how crucial it is. And
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of course the reason we want to have a
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secular democracy, the final form to be
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determined by the people of Iran through
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pre-elections and a constitutional
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process. But most importantly is that
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under equality and the rule of law, all
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the opportunities that has been denied
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our nation as a result of his
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discrimination, as a result of uh pretty
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much disenfring the majority of
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Iranians, now it creates a true
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opportunity. And as I said earlier, I
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think Iranians are quite gifted. As much
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as it is attractive to uh an
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entrepreneurs in the outside world
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looking in, there are so many gifted and
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talented young Iranians who will have a
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fair chance this time, a true chance for
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being uh using all their creativity and
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genius uh to bring our country back
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online. This will be an excellent
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fantastic partnership that we're looking
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forward to.
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>> So you've spoken about wanting to be on
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the ground there. What conditions and
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what timeline do you have for yourself?
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And this seems like a a pretty
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high-risisk thing to do. It' be pretty
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brave of you to uh go to the country
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now. What conditions have to be met for
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you to
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go to Iran to go home for the first time
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in 47 years? And how close do you think
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we are to the people taking the streets
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now and for starting this transition?
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>> Well, to be honest with you, it's very
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difficult to put an exact timeline. uh
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factors that will expedite it is the
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level of separation from the regime, the
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level of defections, uh the
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strengthening of domestic organizations
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and structure, how can we partner with
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elements from within that are not
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joining this campaign. All of these are
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factors that will contribute to the
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rapidity of the of the transition. As
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far as myself being there, obviously
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there are security concerns to make sure
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that it's safe enough for me to go
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there. I'm no use to anyone if I'm dead.
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So obviously we have to keep that in
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mind but I would like to be able to be
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there as soon as possible. Uh to be able
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to help as much as I can in this
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process. Obviously being in a country is
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an advantage. It's hard to do things
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from far away. I had no choice to be
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living in exile because of the
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circumstances. But I think that the
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opportunity is presenting itself and um
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the the first opportunity that is
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created for me to safely return to Iran
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will obviously be there. Just this
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morning, Trump said there will be no
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deal in Iran until unconditional
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surrender uh is given by whatever is
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left of the government there. What do
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you think of that condition? Is that the
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right move? Do you agree with Trump's
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ultimatum?
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>> Well, let me look at it from the
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domestic prison. In order for a
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successful transition to occur, it has
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ultimately to be something that is
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legitimate in the eyes of the Iranian
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people. We haven't lost so many tens of
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thousands of lives just to settle for a
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continuity of the remnants of this
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regime. That will not fly. People will
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want to have a clean break. The
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alternative will be for all those who
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align with the secular democratic
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alternative. And there are some four
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core principles that who whoever adheres
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to to that including people who may
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today peel away from the regime um would
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be able to agree to work together on
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that platform. The first and foremost
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issue is of course Iran's uh territorial
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integrity. That's an issue that is very
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close to the hearts of millions of
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Iranians representing every aspect of
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our diversified uh country in terms of
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ethnicities, religions and what have
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you. But we find ourselves in this
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united uh uh cause under one flag and
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under one nation. The second element
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that is a prerequisite to democracy is a
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clear separation of religion from state.
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That's a critical element for a
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democracy to occur. Equality of all
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citizens under the law and the rule of
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law obviously is a critical aspect that
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guarantees all of the rights we're
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talking about. and the democratic
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process itself, meaning uh the fact that
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people can elect their representatives
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to go to this constitutional assembly to
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debate the issues of what the next
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system could look like and what it laws
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should be ratified by the people which
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would bring us to the election of the
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first parliament of this new democracy
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and of course the election of the first
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government of such democracy at which
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point the transitional government hands
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over power to the elected uh
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representative of the people in the
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future government. That's pretty much
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the the the the direction that we hope
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to manage this transition and I'm
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playing a role in bringing about this
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transition with a very well-crafted plan
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that is in detail explaining
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particularly focusing on the first 100
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days. I created an organization called
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IP which which is Iran prosperity
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project but it first focus is the first
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100 days. How we immediately stabilize
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the situation in Iran. How can we
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maximize the remaining elements that
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will join with us to be able to survive
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regime change and have a place in the
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future? These are the first components
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and then we move forward with the plan.
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Two quick questions. Under no
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circumstances, would that be a monarchy?
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Uh I think uh is a question everybody
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has for you because you're the prince.
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This is a democracy. We don't have
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princes in democracies. And then number
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two, what do you ideally see as your
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role in the transition? And then would
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you like to have the opportunity to run
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for president and to lead the country
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out of this horrific nightmare of 47
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years?
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>> My focus is on the process, not the
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outcome. And in as a neutral arbiter,
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I'm not taking sides with one form
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versus the other. That's for the people
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of Iran to choose. And I think the world
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has seen successful models in both a
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republican system and a monarchic
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system. examples uh a republic that you
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have like in India or like in Israel or
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in France or the United States are not
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exactly the same but that's under the
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republican structure. In terms of
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parliamentary monarchies we have the
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example of Japan, Sweden, Spain, other
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countries. So I don't think that
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necessarily you can equate democracy
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with one outcome in particular. It could
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be both models that people can emulate.
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So at the end of the day, you know,
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again, uh it's not for me to choose the
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outcome. I'm here to be a bridge towards
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that outcome. That's the function of a
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transitional leader, not to run for
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office or not to have an aim for
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personal uh position or power or
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authority, but to be the element that
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unites the country towards a common
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purpose and allow the nation to decide
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what is their preferred system. That's
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what elections and free elections should
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be all about. and the ballot box is the
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only means to measure uh people's uh
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opinion and the majority will decide on
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that and that's the process that I'm in
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business to bring about. What do you
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believe the people of Iran want and in
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that monarchy subset there are the Gulf
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monarchies uh the kingdom UAE Qatar they
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are obviously distinctly different than
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a parliamentary
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you know system. So I assume you
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wouldn't want to see that. What do you
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think the people of Iran will vote for?
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>> Well, just what you said. I mean, we a
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democratic system clearly uh outlines
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how it should be and and how it should
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not. Uh I mean, if you want to look at
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the closest monarchy to the United
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States, technically speaking, is Canada.
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And you know, if you want to look it
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that way, and I think Canadians are
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quite happy with a democracy that they
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enjoy. And again, we have very good
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models of republic. Case in point, the
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United States. At the end of the day, as
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I said, it's for the Iranian people to
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determine what would be in their best
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interest. Having looked this time,
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unlike what happened, by the way, 50
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years ago, nobody had a clear idea what
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Kmeni was suggesting in terms of this as
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they call it or the tutilage of the
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supreme leader. By the time he took over
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and power was established, it was too
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late. And since then, we've been
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hostages to this regime. This time, in
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full transparency, the Iranian people
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ought to have a clear idea of different
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models presented to them. And on that
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basis, having understood every aspect of
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what it could be, then they make their
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choice. This is a process that should be
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totally transparent with enough time for
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debating different ideas. And again, as
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I said, let the democratic process
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unfold and let the people vote in
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majority. What is their final uh choice?
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I'm not here to determine an outcome.
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Again, I stress my role here is to
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manage this transition and create an
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opportunity that people have been
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deprived of for half a century to
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finally have a say as to what they would
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like to have for themselves in terms of
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sovereignty and determining their own
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future democratically. Final question,
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and I'll get into a bunch of details
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with you, Shervin, uh, as to the plan,
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which I know you're helping construct,
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and I'm assuming you'll help execute on.
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Trump says he's going to pick the next
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leader. Trump says a lot of things. He
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says them sometimes in a provocative uh,
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way, but he said he's not sure how you
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would play within your own country.
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There's obviously people holding up your
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picture. There are people who are maybe
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vying uh to take control of this from
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the previous administration.
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Are you in touch with President Trump
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and what's your relationship with him
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today? What's your best
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plea to him or your argument to him to
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work with you?
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>> Look, uh there's nothing hidden in the
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agenda. Everything is transparent and
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I've been communicating with the
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administration by uh Steve Witkov who
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announced it publicly. That's was our
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channel to President Trump and of course
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on the other side in the legislation
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with members of Congress, senators and
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Congress people to understand a little
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bit from the American prism what it is
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that we are proposing here. I don't
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think that President Trump or any other
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leader in this world would presume that
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it is up to them to determine who should
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be the next leader in Iran. I'm sure as
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democracies they respect the right for
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people to make that choice and as
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western democracies it should be going
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without saying that they would believe
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that the the right to choose the future
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leaders is only up to the Iranian
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people. If the intention is to assist
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that process if the intent is to support
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the Iranian people in their democratic
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aspiration you provide them with the
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help but the choice should be theirs.
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That has been my position and I don't
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think there's a disagreement on that
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whether it is with President Trump or
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other world leaders that I've also
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talked to about this matter.
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>> As I let you go, what should the
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American people know about the spirit,
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the culture, and the people of Iran,
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including the people who fled in 1979
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like you and your family?
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>> Well, I I know many Americans who have
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many Iranian friends. As a matter of
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fact, if you just look at the Iranian
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diaspora in the United States alone, you
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will see how much uh interaction there
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is between Iranians who are now
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Iranianameans, if you will, many of
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them, and the kind of relationship they
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have built with their American
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counterpart. Many people have uh
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connections via marriages. Many people
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have connections through business
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affiliations. Many people have worked
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with Iranians. Many of the high-tech
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companies including Silicon Valley
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employ so many Iranians or they are
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themselves entrepreneurs. This is the
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kind of potential and I'm sure Shervin
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will talk to you more about that. But
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this is the kind of connections there
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is. And for Americans that have traveled
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to Iran or have known Iranians all these
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years, they know what what what country
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it represents, what amount of culture,
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arts, um I mean civilization in a true
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sense Iranians represent and they've
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been completely suffocated under this
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regime. But once Iran is uh is uh you
00:18:31
know free from its shackles uh I'm sure
00:18:33
a lot of Americans know um what
00:18:37
difference there is between an Iran that
00:18:39
wants to be friends with America that is
00:18:41
not the regime that has from its
00:18:43
inception called death to America or
00:18:45
death to Israel for instance
00:18:47
>> but there are Iranians who actually love
00:18:49
to America. Let me just give you a last
00:18:52
parting thought because I think every
00:18:54
now and then I need to remind your
00:18:56
audience and other audiences. We talked
00:18:58
about other countries in the region.
00:19:00
Remember 911?
00:19:03
>> Yes.
00:19:03
>> And how many people on the streets of
00:19:05
many of the so-called allies of the
00:19:07
United States were celebrating that
00:19:09
attack on that sinister day. The only
00:19:12
country in the entire world in the
00:19:13
entire region that actually stood in
00:19:16
candlelight vigils in sympathy to the
00:19:19
victims of the 911 terrorist attacks
00:19:21
were no other than the Iranian people
00:19:22
themselves holding candle light vigils
00:19:25
in Iran. And they've been messaging
00:19:28
America for years now. We are not your
00:19:31
enemies. In fact, they've been chanting
00:19:32
slogans in Iran saying they lie to us.
00:19:36
It's America. Our enemy is right here.
00:19:38
This is the Iran I'm talking about. This
00:19:40
is the people I'm talking about and I
00:19:42
know many Americans both in the civilian
00:19:44
sector including military forces in
00:19:47
America know that and I think that's
00:19:49
something that I'm sure I'm not the only
00:19:51
one uh you know talking about this. You
00:19:54
will hear from other Iranians who will
00:19:56
pretty much confirm what I just said.
00:19:58
That's why this partnership is so vital
00:20:00
for us because together we will be able
00:20:03
to rebuild um uh you know a different
00:20:05
world. Iran will bring an element of
00:20:07
stability to the region and beyond and
00:20:10
that can only play to the interest of
00:20:12
America itself. We need to have this
00:20:15
vital partnership and I think we'll be
00:20:17
able to succeed because I see everybody
00:20:19
now is very much committed to work
00:20:21
together towards uh bringing this agenda
00:20:23
forward. Well, we're we're all praying
00:20:26
for the people of Iran to have a
00:20:27
democracy and what an amazing moment it
00:20:30
will be uh when you get to return in
00:20:33
whatever capacity and help this
00:20:35
transition and 93 million people who
00:20:37
have been suffering will be living free
00:20:40
in a democracy and the impact that could
00:20:42
have on the world and obviously that
00:20:44
region would be by far the largest
00:20:46
democracy in in uh the Middle East. uh
00:20:50
and and this could have ramifications in
00:20:52
terms of humanity that would be
00:20:54
absolutely stunning and beautiful and
00:20:56
the prosperity would be amazing. The
00:20:59
Iranian people I met in my life uh
00:21:01
Prince when I was living in Los Angeles,
00:21:04
all these great Persians I would meet uh
00:21:06
were some of the most joyful
00:21:10
and industrious beautiful individuals
00:21:12
I've met. They remind me of my Greek and
00:21:14
Irish heritage, including you, Shervin.
00:21:16
So, Prince Resin, thank you so much for
00:21:17
your time. I know you're extremely busy.
00:21:19
It's very important for the all-in
00:21:21
audience to hear from you uh and to
00:21:23
understand what's going on in your
00:21:24
vision and we would love to have you
00:21:26
back when you're on the ground uh with
00:21:28
your people and that your people are
00:21:30
free.
00:21:30
>> Thank you again. Looking forward to it.
00:21:33
>> All right, Shervin. Thank you so much
00:21:34
for setting this up.
00:21:36
>> I ask for very few favors for my
00:21:38
friends, but as a good friend, you made
00:21:40
this happen for the all-in community.
00:21:42
So, we I thank you for that. And uh as I
00:21:44
as I said to to the prince, the people
00:21:48
and and the Persians here in the United
00:21:49
States, maybe you could tell us a little
00:21:50
bit about your story and and what this
00:21:52
means to you and then we can get into
00:21:54
your involvement here and what you hope
00:21:56
to see in those first 100 days.
00:21:58
>> Of course. Uh first of all, Jason, thank
00:22:00
you for opening up this tremendous
00:22:03
platform to the Iranian people and to
00:22:05
the prince. Uh as you can see, uh the
00:22:08
crown prince Razip is a is a great man.
00:22:11
uh the most courageous man that I've
00:22:13
ever met. Uh and he's the highest
00:22:15
integrity human I've I've met as well.
00:22:17
Uh we're very blessed as a people to
00:22:19
have a leader like him. Uh who has lived
00:22:23
a very clean life uh and has uh stepped
00:22:27
up in a very courageous way. has put it
00:22:29
all on the line for his people and his
00:22:32
legacy uh to play this tremendous
00:22:34
transitional role to evolve the Iranian
00:22:38
uh nation to a democracy. Um and this
00:22:42
long nightmare of 47 years that all of
00:22:45
my Iranian brothers and sisters have
00:22:46
suffered through um uh is almost over.
00:22:50
And uh also a tremendous gratitude to
00:22:53
President Trump uh for his courageous
00:22:56
leadership on this matter. Uh I don't
00:22:58
think any other president uh would have
00:23:00
the courage and the principle and the
00:23:02
values to take on this Islamic regime of
00:23:05
terror. As you saw last month, uh they
00:23:09
massacred uh over 43,000 Iranians who
00:23:13
were just peacefully protesting. They
00:23:15
gunned them down with anti-material
00:23:18
bullets. I I put a post of a Coca-Cola
00:23:20
can next to these bullets. It was bigger
00:23:22
than the can. Uh that's what
00:23:24
>> and this is super important to to
00:23:26
meditate on for a second here. This
00:23:28
regime
00:23:29
>> is a murderous and evil regime to turn
00:23:32
those guns and mow down 40,000
00:23:35
in over 40,000 individuals peacefully
00:23:37
protesting is just an act of savagery
00:23:40
and brutality that I think most people
00:23:42
don't appreciate and uh or don't fully
00:23:45
appreciate. Um and we there hasn't been
00:23:47
enough coverage of that fact.
00:23:48
>> No.
00:23:49
>> And you are a bipartisan type person.
00:23:52
and I've known you for many years. You
00:23:54
were a super uh funer of uh Obama. He he
00:23:58
wasn't able to get this done. Biden
00:23:59
wasn't able to get this done. Bush
00:24:00
wasn't able to get this done. This has
00:24:02
been something that presidents have
00:24:03
struggled with. And you got to give
00:24:06
Trump credit here. There's a lot of
00:24:08
debate over why this is happening. Is it
00:24:10
Israel driving it? Is it the
00:24:11
relationship with China? We talked about
00:24:13
that in part one. At the end of the day,
00:24:16
as a son of Iran, what matters is that
00:24:20
the people are free. All these other
00:24:22
conspiracy theories theories and
00:24:25
motivations do not matter to you or the
00:24:27
people. Yeah,
00:24:28
>> absolutely not. I uh but one of my key
00:24:31
principles is our our our
00:24:35
sec our moral security precedes our
00:24:38
physical security. So this has as much
00:24:40
to do with American uh security as it
00:24:44
does Iranians security and livelihood.
00:24:48
As you saw, this regime is not only uh
00:24:50
evil enough to mow down 43,000 innocent
00:24:53
people in 48 hours. Their reaction to
00:24:57
this liberation operation is to attack
00:25:01
over 12 countries in the region. Imagine
00:25:04
if they had a nuclear bomb, they would
00:25:06
use it.
00:25:07
>> They would use it. There's not even a
00:25:08
doubt in my mind that they would have
00:25:10
used it by now uh if they had it. Uh so
00:25:13
this is uh incredibly important for
00:25:15
America's national security. Um as uh
00:25:19
the prince mentioned 9/11 uh happened.
00:25:22
Uh that's the same kind of ideology
00:25:24
except the problem we have in our modern
00:25:27
time is that basically criminal and
00:25:29
terrorist organizations have taken over
00:25:31
sovereign nations with nuclear bombs or
00:25:34
seeking nuclear bombs. Wherever you have
00:25:35
Russia, uh China, uh you have you have
00:25:39
North Korea and you have Iran. uh and
00:25:41
then you had Venezuela. So the president
00:25:43
has not only uh gotten rid of the Maduro
00:25:46
in in Venezuela, he has now uh begun
00:25:49
this process of dismantling this this
00:25:51
Islamic regime who is absolutely uh not
00:25:55
a legitimate government and not a legit
00:25:57
legitimate u nation state. Uh and the
00:26:00
only leader that uh is legitimate to
00:26:04
lead us to a transition process to
00:26:06
become a democracy is uh the crown
00:26:09
prince resale. We are very lucky uh I
00:26:13
think in our modern times to have three
00:26:15
leaders who are living at the same time
00:26:16
and leading at the same time as
00:26:18
President Trump, President Netanyahu, um
00:26:22
Prime Minister Netanyahu and and the
00:26:24
Crown Prince Resali all at at in this
00:26:26
one moment in time. I think we're living
00:26:29
in biblical times when 107 happened. Um,
00:26:33
I started the Israeli Iranian alliance
00:26:35
with Michael Eisenberg, Michael Bhine,
00:26:38
Jesse Matin, Sean Rad, uh, and we
00:26:40
started to host these salons with the
00:26:43
crown prince. One was in New York,
00:26:45
Michael Eisenberg flew in, Dan Lo, lots
00:26:48
of, uh, leaders came. Uh and that was
00:26:51
the beginning of the process uh that was
00:26:53
seated with a breakfast with Michael
00:26:55
Eisenberg as a VC and the number one VC
00:26:58
in Israel uh 15 years ago where we said
00:27:01
we have to do more between Israeli and
00:27:04
Jewish community and the Persian Iranian
00:27:06
community and someday we're going to
00:27:08
have uh tea in Thran. And we wrote an
00:27:10
op-ed last year about this. And we began
00:27:13
to build these bridges. Uh and this
00:27:15
connection
00:27:17
between the Jewish people and the
00:27:19
Iranian people goes back 2500 years.
00:27:21
Cyrus the Great, who's in the Bible, uh
00:27:24
freed the Jews from uh slavery in
00:27:26
Babylon, returned them to their homeland
00:27:29
in Jerusalem, and rebuilt their temple.
00:27:32
uh and that he is celebrated for that
00:27:35
courageous act uh in the Bible and in in
00:27:38
uh Jewish religious uh you know holidays
00:27:41
and and it is a tremendous connection
00:27:44
that goes back now 2500 years later in
00:27:47
kind of biblical symmetry you have the
00:27:49
Jewish people helping free Iranian
00:27:52
people from their slavery and at the
00:27:54
same time there is a connection between
00:27:56
America's beginning that many people
00:27:58
don't know is that Thomas Jefferson was
00:28:01
uh a student of Cyrus the Great who
00:28:04
declared the first declaration of human
00:28:05
rights and a lot of the principles that
00:28:08
went into the Declaration of
00:28:10
Independence of America and the founding
00:28:12
of America and the Bill of Rights and
00:28:14
the Constitution have had its roots in
00:28:17
Cyrus the Great and Persian history. And
00:28:20
so this connection between America's
00:28:22
founding and the principles that the
00:28:24
Iranians uh espoused for 2500 years uh
00:28:28
is this beautiful connection between the
00:28:30
Jewish people, the American people and
00:28:32
the Iranian people.
00:28:34
>> And this could have such a tremendous
00:28:36
impact on the region. You have
00:28:39
essentially a lone democracy in Israel.
00:28:41
Uh and now to have 93 million Iranians
00:28:43
in a democracy, if if that can be
00:28:45
achieved, and listen, there's a long way
00:28:47
to go. this could spiral out of control.
00:28:49
This was a very high-risk
00:28:52
move uh by Trump. President Trump should
00:28:55
give him a lot of credit for that, but
00:28:56
he has to own this. So, let's be humble
00:28:59
and and we got to pray for the best
00:29:00
here. Things can spiral out of control
00:29:02
in these kind of situations. But let's
00:29:04
hope that we do get to democracy there.
00:29:07
I'm curious, Shervin, you've spent a lot
00:29:09
of time in the Middle East. I have over
00:29:10
the last 3 years gotten myself educated
00:29:12
and caught up I hope and have started
00:29:14
doing business there and and really
00:29:16
meeting a larger swath of people. The
00:29:18
Gulf monarchies have modernized
00:29:20
incredibly starting with the UAE, Saudi
00:29:24
uh now the kingdom and of course Qatar
00:29:26
uh as well modernizing Oman, Kuwait.
00:29:30
What would Iran going straight to a
00:29:34
democracy if that is even possible? What
00:29:36
would that do to the region in your
00:29:38
mind? I think that uh everything it what
00:29:42
what the Gulf countries have done uh is
00:29:44
a tremendous case study of what the
00:29:47
potential for the Middle East truly is.
00:29:49
Uh being blessed uh by God to have oil
00:29:53
gas the way that most GCC countries have
00:29:56
and Iran uh so has uh gives them an
00:30:00
advantage to be able to have the
00:30:02
resources independently to develop
00:30:04
themselves. And when you look at what
00:30:05
happened in UAE over the last 25 years,
00:30:07
I went to UAE in 2001 2002 and there was
00:30:11
a smattering of buildings there.
00:30:14
>> Yeah, I've seen the pictures of Dubai
00:30:15
then and now.
00:30:16
>> It's extraordinary. It's incredible. And
00:30:20
it it reminds me of what America was
00:30:22
like in the 1950s when they came from
00:30:24
back from World War II. Eisenhower buil
00:30:27
built the interstate highway system and
00:30:29
America developed into this superpower.
00:30:31
Uh and and in many ways the GCC
00:30:34
countries espouse that American
00:30:36
mentality of everything is possible.
00:30:39
Anything is possible. And they've
00:30:41
manifested their greatness. And you look
00:30:43
at Iran, you have 93 million
00:30:46
unbelievably brilliant people who have
00:30:48
been held back. You look at the Iranian
00:30:50
diaspora in America. just our fellow
00:30:53
friends who many people know Dar
00:30:57
Uber
00:30:58
myself at Uber of course um Omid
00:31:01
Cordistani at Google and Ali at at data
00:31:05
bricks um you know pier at eBay when you
00:31:08
add up the numbers it gets to trillions
00:31:11
of dollars of value have been created by
00:31:13
this small population of Iranians in
00:31:15
America and especially in Silicon Valley
00:31:17
and I've been blessed to be part of that
00:31:18
circle and you know one thank God for
00:31:21
America America that we had a a safe
00:31:24
sanctuary to come and develop our
00:31:25
brilliance. But there are as many
00:31:28
there's uh as many brilliant Iranians
00:31:31
way more brilliant Iranian.
00:31:32
>> Yeah. On a numbers basis it's it's a
00:31:34
magnitude more.
00:31:34
>> And so this will be a free democratic
00:31:37
Iran will be the greatest peace dividend
00:31:40
and economic dividend to be gifted to
00:31:42
the world and to the region. So I think
00:31:44
what'll happen is um we will have an
00:31:47
acceleration of the Middle East becoming
00:31:49
this uh unbelievable
00:31:52
place where innovation and investment in
00:31:54
the future is happening. We're at the
00:31:55
dawn of AGI and advanced super
00:31:58
intelligence. We have quantum computing
00:32:00
which you and I you know and Emil
00:32:02
Michael and others have done with our
00:32:04
you know our our spa um and D-Wave.
00:32:08
These these technologies are are going
00:32:11
to fast forward humanity and being able
00:32:15
to tap into the resources of the Middle
00:32:18
East and Iran in in human capital and in
00:32:21
the oil and gas wealth to be able to
00:32:23
unleash an accelerated future is
00:32:26
something that uh we all look forward
00:32:27
to. And one of the things the team uh
00:32:30
the crown prince's vision uh this is a
00:32:33
175page report right here the Iran
00:32:36
prosperity project and I'm blessed to be
00:32:38
an adviser there with many other very
00:32:41
talented uh Iranians um and this piece
00:32:45
by piece month by month uh has a
00:32:48
sequence of of plans to rebuild Iran as
00:32:52
the crown prince was talking about so
00:32:54
that when there is a free Iran there
00:32:56
will be a a four-month process C to get
00:32:58
to a a referendum. Um, and then a
00:33:02
six-month process to u assemble uh
00:33:05
Iranians to to write a constitution. Uh
00:33:08
and then a 14-month process to actually
00:33:11
finalize uh the the constitution and
00:33:14
then have a vote on the constitution. So
00:33:16
you'll have a a sequence of events that
00:33:19
will then lead to uh a legal framework
00:33:22
uh where uh the the the new Iran will be
00:33:26
able to actually execute on this on this
00:33:29
tremendous plan uh and rebuild uh all
00:33:32
aspects and all sectors of the economy.
00:33:34
Uh and that'll lead to um you know uh
00:33:37
this new Iran that we're all have been
00:33:39
dreaming and praying for.
00:33:41
>> And and so this plan's been worked on
00:33:43
for some time. He seems like he's got,
00:33:45
you know, a third or so of the
00:33:48
constituents there who are in favor of
00:33:49
him. There are some people who are
00:33:50
strongly opposed.
00:33:52
Last time his father was not perfect.
00:33:55
He's answered many of the hard questions
00:33:56
about his father's uh tenure. What are
00:33:59
the chances that the existing regime,
00:34:01
what's left of it, there are people in
00:34:03
that who would collaborate on moving to
00:34:06
a democracy where specifically religion
00:34:10
and the government were separated. This
00:34:12
was something NBS was able to do in
00:34:14
Saudi, but not without strong resistance
00:34:18
and great risk to himself. This is a
00:34:21
high-risisk thing, you know, with some
00:34:23
of these radicalized individuals who
00:34:26
want religion to rule over democracy.
00:34:28
So, maybe you could unpack that a bit.
00:34:30
>> Absolutely. The vast majority of
00:34:32
Iranians uh want a a separation of of uh
00:34:37
church and state um of mosque and state.
00:34:40
uh and uh we've seen what 47 we've had
00:34:43
an AB test uh in Silicon Valley speak of
00:34:47
what happens when you have a system that
00:34:49
is controlled by mullas. Uh it has led
00:34:52
to absolute disaster and mayhem and
00:34:54
evil. Um and uh so the vast majority are
00:34:58
out there and they're saying Resa
00:35:00
Palvy's name. If you look at the videos
00:35:02
from uh January, they're saying Javit
00:35:05
Shaw, they're saying his name to return.
00:35:07
he called on them to come in the streets
00:35:09
at 800 PM on the on the ETH and 9th. Uh
00:35:12
and they came out in droves and by the
00:35:14
millions in response to him. So the idea
00:35:18
that we don't know who the Iranian
00:35:20
people want uh to help lead this
00:35:22
transition process, the proof is in the
00:35:24
pudding. You just have to look at the
00:35:25
videos and look at the the actual facts.
00:35:28
Uh and that's the he's the only leader
00:35:30
that uh Iranians are are by name calling
00:35:33
out for to to come back and they're also
00:35:36
calling for for Trump and Netanyahu to
00:35:39
please help save them from this uh you
00:35:41
know terror uh regime and and as we've
00:35:44
seen in the last week their prayers have
00:35:47
been answered uh in a tremendous way.
00:35:49
And what is going to happen is basically
00:35:52
a dismantling and a defanging of this
00:35:54
regime's capabilities to use terror to
00:35:57
use our military uh capabilities. Uh and
00:36:00
we have to let the that run its course.
00:36:03
Uh as the president said, this is
00:36:05
probably about 4 weeks of work. Um you
00:36:08
know, there was a leak uh I think in the
00:36:11
Washington Post today that the 82nd
00:36:13
Airborne was uh activated. Uh and that's
00:36:16
a signal uh that uh this is going to
00:36:19
potentially um lead to even more support
00:36:23
uh in this liberation operation to uh
00:36:26
completely dismantle this regime. Uh
00:36:29
defections are a big part of the
00:36:31
strategy that
00:36:32
>> have the defections started yet or is
00:36:33
that too risky for the individuals on
00:36:35
the ground? What what what are you
00:36:36
hearing through your back generals?
00:36:38
Well, I I the the crown prince had a a a
00:36:41
a system for people to communicate
00:36:44
securely with him and his team and over
00:36:46
50,000 people in the military um have
00:36:49
actually responded to that. Uh you saw
00:36:52
some uh defections that were went viral
00:36:55
uh during the protest and before the
00:36:56
protests of of different military
00:36:58
members. We expect that that as the
00:37:01
dismantling process continues and many
00:37:04
of the as you saw the the the the top
00:37:07
leadership that the IRGC was eradicated
00:37:10
in the first 24 hours. The the the the
00:37:13
supreme leader was just an absolutely
00:37:16
evil man. Uh was gone in the first 60
00:37:19
seconds. He spent 47 years threatening
00:37:21
the world. He lasted 60 seconds.
00:37:24
>> Yeah.
00:37:24
>> And that's going to continue. Um and so
00:37:28
uh I think it's going to be a very
00:37:29
rational thing for the rest of uh uh who
00:37:33
remains to realize that if they don't
00:37:36
actually have a complete surrender and
00:37:40
uh you know capitulate and for the ones
00:37:42
that haven't actually uh executed the
00:37:45
orders of genocide against the Iranian
00:37:47
people, there'll be an opportunity for
00:37:48
people to actually um be a part of the
00:37:52
reformation and the reconstruction of
00:37:54
Iran. Um the plan actually says uh even
00:37:57
people in the military will be able to
00:38:00
one even have early retirement for the
00:38:02
ones that didn't actually um execute uh
00:38:05
those uh you know uh acts of terror
00:38:08
against the Iranian people. And then
00:38:11
others who are talented and have the the
00:38:13
ability to to serve and want to serve,
00:38:16
they'll also be able to show up at work
00:38:17
and continue to get paid and have some
00:38:20
role uh wherever in the military and the
00:38:22
government. So there's this isn't going
00:38:24
to be a hunting down of people. The
00:38:26
hunting down is happening right now.
00:38:28
There'll be a process of peace and
00:38:31
reconstruction
00:38:32
um and rehabilitation. Uh that'll
00:38:35
happen. And we're going to also need to
00:38:37
have a lot of like um you know
00:38:40
specialists to come in and help people
00:38:41
with the trauma that they've been
00:38:43
through.
00:38:44
>> Sure.
00:38:44
>> 47 years. Uh this is be a multiple
00:38:47
multi-threaded
00:38:48
>> multigeneration trauma. Yeah.
00:38:50
>> Multigenerational. Yes. Uh tell me about
00:38:53
uh the Kurd the Kurds being backed Msad
00:38:56
and um the CIA are uh backing reportedly
00:39:01
militias in the west and that's going to
00:39:04
play a role. Yeah,
00:39:06
>> I think you know we we have to be very
00:39:08
very careful because uh a red line for
00:39:11
the Iranian people is uh we have existed
00:39:14
at a as a country for for 5,000 years as
00:39:17
a people for 5,000 years. Whoever
00:39:19
invaders came in or out, we always
00:39:21
outlasted our invaders. These these
00:39:23
people uh who have t had taken over for
00:39:26
47 years were occupiers. They weren't
00:39:28
really truly Iranians. They were
00:39:30
occupiers of this country. Uh and
00:39:32
they'll be booted just like Gjas Khan
00:39:34
and everyone else who who came into Iran
00:39:37
were booted. Um and so uh it's very
00:39:40
important we if if if there's any kind
00:39:43
of separatist movement, we will lose the
00:39:46
goodwill and the support of millions and
00:39:48
millions of Iranians. Um and so
00:39:51
>> it has to be one country.
00:39:52
>> It has to be one country. The
00:39:53
territorial integrity of Iran must be
00:39:56
protected. That's a red line for the
00:39:58
crown prince. It's a red line for the
00:40:00
Iranian people. Um, and so that's that's
00:40:03
incredibly important uh to to uh project
00:40:07
that wherever there's collaborations
00:40:09
that can happen uh to to be able to work
00:40:12
together uh to fight uh for uh the
00:40:16
deliberation to be completed and for a
00:40:19
march on to Tehran and the crown prince
00:40:21
being able to come back to lead this
00:40:24
transition and physically come back to
00:40:25
his homeland. Can you imagine that after
00:40:28
47 years of being away from his nation,
00:40:31
>> me uh being away from my
00:40:33
>> You've never been able to go back or
00:40:34
have you snuck in? And
00:40:35
>> I hadn't been back for you know I
00:40:38
basically I was born in 1976.
00:40:41
My dad the the last Sha was sending a
00:40:44
lot of the top brilliant people on
00:40:46
scholarships around the world. Iranian
00:40:48
community in uh graduate school and
00:40:50
universities was the largest population
00:40:52
in 1970s. he was educating this whole um
00:40:55
class of people and we were going back
00:40:58
to to rebuild and build Iran into this
00:41:00
great nation. We're at the cusp of
00:41:02
greatness. So my father came to
00:41:04
Washington DC uh where I am right now
00:41:07
and uh I grew up here uh on 16th Street
00:41:10
in in in Washington uh and he got his
00:41:13
master's degree at Catholic University
00:41:15
uh 1976 to 1978.
00:41:19
Uh, and I remember when we first came,
00:41:21
it was a bicesentennial of America now
00:41:24
50th anniversary. And so he returned, we
00:41:28
returned to Iran 1978
00:41:30
um, right before the revolution. Really
00:41:32
bad timing. And my dad had been promoted
00:41:35
to head of radio and television for the
00:41:36
Shaw. And uh, this all happened. The
00:41:40
revolution happened, was coming back.
00:41:42
And my dad made the courageous decision
00:41:45
to help uh the US embassy get radio
00:41:48
communications devices to them, do
00:41:51
foreign language broadcast to tell u
00:41:53
foreigners in Iran how to get out of the
00:41:55
country. This was from the different
00:41:56
embassies and
00:41:59
put my father Abraham on the execution
00:42:02
list. So he went into hiding for 10
00:42:04
months. I didn't see my dad for 10
00:42:06
months. and uh in kind of a kismid
00:42:09
moment as someone he helped get a job in
00:42:11
radio and television came to my our home
00:42:14
and said to my mom I want to help and
00:42:16
she didn't trust him and said I don't
00:42:18
know where he is but she checked with my
00:42:19
dad and and they came back and my dad
00:42:22
said no you can trust him and that guy
00:42:24
was the new head of security for the
00:42:27
Meridabad airport in Thran and he
00:42:29
personally met my father and I remember
00:42:32
this moment I woke up to my brother
00:42:34
crying and my dad was at the door after
00:42:36
10 months to say goodbye cuz he didn't
00:42:38
know if he was going to survive. Uh and
00:42:41
he went to the airport um met his friend
00:42:44
and he walked him onto the Air France
00:42:46
flight and uh you know crying he he flew
00:42:50
uh out uh and came to America and the
00:42:52
people he had helped helped him uh get
00:42:55
his papers and everything in order and
00:42:57
then we were stuck in Iran for two
00:42:59
years. Saddam invaded, bombs were
00:43:01
falling on us every night and the signs
00:43:04
were going off. So then we escaped with
00:43:06
my mom and my brother and sister. Came
00:43:08
to America with $35. My dad was driving
00:43:11
a taxi while getting his PhD. My dad a
00:43:14
>> great paradox.
00:43:15
>> My mom was like, "Yeah, I did Uber."
00:43:17
Actually Uber
00:43:20
that was one of the things in my first
00:43:21
meeting with Jason with uh with Travis.
00:43:24
I told him that story and I and I I know
00:43:26
that like growing up in a orange and
00:43:29
black taxi cab in in in Washington DC
00:43:32
helped me win the Uber deal against all
00:43:33
the greats in venture.
00:43:35
>> Yeah.
00:43:35
>> You know, it's all full circle. Only in
00:43:38
America would that be possible. You
00:43:40
know, this the son of a taxi driver and
00:43:42
a maid. Uh you know, coming to America
00:43:45
with nothing be able to have the
00:43:46
blessing of the life that we've had. And
00:43:50
I've never forgotten those roots. I've
00:43:52
tried to to serve America. Um and um I'm
00:43:57
uh you know uh now now helping in any
00:44:01
way that I can to uh uh help the crown
00:44:04
prince in this transition process for a
00:44:06
free Iran and and rebuild Iran into
00:44:09
something great. So make
00:44:11
>> what's extraordinary to me about the
00:44:12
Iranian people is they have maintained
00:44:15
even under this oppression that spirit
00:44:19
47 years later. I I don't know if you've
00:44:21
ever seen the Anthony Bourdain
00:44:23
>> Yeah.
00:44:24
>> uh you know episode when he goes there.
00:44:26
Yeah.
00:44:26
>> And it was always touched me. I don't
00:44:28
know if this was like a decade ago when
00:44:29
he did it
00:44:30
>> and he said, "I can't believe it. This
00:44:31
these people are Americans. They're
00:44:33
they're eating Pizza Hut. They're
00:44:34
listening to music. They're having some
00:44:35
beers on their back porch. They're
00:44:37
dancing. They are on VPNs, you know,
00:44:40
understanding culture and what's going
00:44:42
on around the world. even under the
00:44:45
oppression, women, gays, uh, everybody
00:44:49
in between, uh, they're suffering and
00:44:52
they're still have that joy of life that
00:44:55
every Persian I've ever met will stay
00:44:58
with you like the Greeks or the Irish
00:45:00
and they will close the restaurant. They
00:45:03
will talk and the restaurant closes the
00:45:04
door, the owner of the restaurant sits
00:45:06
down and you just talk for another hour.
00:45:07
Some of the most beautiful people I've
00:45:09
ever met and uh, it's just I'm so glad
00:45:11
that you are engaged in this. uh very
00:45:13
much appreciate you bringing the prince.
00:45:14
Thank you Jason understand the soul of
00:45:17
the Iranian and that is exact we're the
00:45:19
we love to host our friends on the
00:45:22
social and uh and u you know there truly
00:45:26
are as American as you can be uh we love
00:45:29
our freedom uh we've suffered for so
00:45:32
long uh and we're so thankful for uh
00:45:35
President Trump uh having having the
00:45:37
courage to take on this evil regime and
00:45:39
we look forward to uh hosting all-in pod
00:45:42
in tan
00:45:44
>> that would
00:45:45
sooner than later.
00:45:46
>> One of the great bucket lists of my life
00:45:48
to be able to go to and host the podcast
00:45:51
there and have tea with you in
00:45:54
>> Let's put on the schedule a year from
00:45:55
today.
00:45:55
>> Best food in in the world. I can't wait.
00:45:58
>> What's the signature? What's the
00:45:59
signature for you? What's the signature
00:46:01
dish? What's the What's your favorite?
00:46:03
>> Everyone loves the the Persian kebabs,
00:46:05
right? But the kebabs in Iran are
00:46:09
something else. There's like it's a it's
00:46:11
a tremendous uh
00:46:13
>> you know food culture. Uh and the
00:46:15
national dish is called orabzi
00:46:19
um which is a stew of lamb and and my
00:46:22
mom was like the greatest version cook
00:46:25
in the world and she would cook it for
00:46:27
three days. Uh and these foods I can't
00:46:30
wait to to break bread with you in a
00:46:32
free room. It'll be
00:46:34
>> Yeah. I mean that's one of the things
00:46:35
the Greeks and the Iranians share is
00:46:38
that love of lamb. cannot wait. All
00:46:40
right, my brother. Um
00:46:42
>> thank you.
00:46:43
>> I'm so glad you're engaged in this.
00:46:44
Gives me hope. Um and
00:46:47
>> good luck in the next uh three, four,
00:46:50
five weeks. Let's hope and pray for the
00:46:52
best.
00:46:52
>> Thank you
00:46:53
>> to the all-in audience. We'll see you
00:46:55
next time. Bye-bye.
00:46:57
>> We'll let your winners ride.
00:47:05
>> We open sourced it to the fans and
00:47:07
they've just gone crazy with it. Love
00:47:09
you. Queen of
00:47:14
>> your
00:47:17
>> besties are
00:47:20
my dog taking your driveways.
00:47:25
>> Oh man, myasher will meet me.
00:47:28
>> We should all just get a room and just
00:47:29
have one big huge orgy cuz they're all
00:47:31
just useless. It's like this like sexual
00:47:33
tension that they just need to release
00:47:34
somehow.
00:47:36
Wet your feet. Wet your feet.
00:47:39
>> Your feet.
00:47:40
>> That's going to be good. We need to get
00:47:42
merch.
00:47:43
>> I'm going all in.
00:47:50
I'm going all in.
