Search Captions & Ask AI

US Job Growth Revised Down by 818K!

August 21, 2024 / 00:59

This episode discusses job market forecasts, economic data revisions, and the implications of non-farm payroll statistics. Key topics include the birth-death model for businesses, job estimates, and GDP revisions.

The conversation highlights the discrepancy between initial job forecasts, which range from 350,000 to 1 million, and the actual number of jobs created, which came in at only 88,000. The hosts emphasize the trend of overestimating job growth and the consistent downward revisions that follow.

They also touch on the impact of these revisions on economic indicators, noting that the reforecasting of job numbers and GDP data suggests a potential low-key recession. The discussion underscores the importance of understanding the revisions in non-farm payrolls rather than just the initial figures.

TL;DR

Job forecasts are often overestimated, leading to consistent downward revisions and signs of a low-key recession.

Video

00:00:00
you know the the range of how many jobs
00:00:02
they would take away for a variety of
00:00:04
reasons maybe the largest is the birth
00:00:06
death model for businesses was going to
00:00:08
be somewhere between 350,000 and 1
00:00:11
million it comes in at
00:00:14
88,000 the economic data that comes out
00:00:17
keeps getting reforecast down so they
00:00:19
put out a provisional number or an
00:00:21
estimate and then when they finalize the
00:00:23
number 3 months or 6 months later it
00:00:25
always seems to go in One Direction
00:00:27
we've seen this over and over again with
00:00:29
new jobs being reforecast down and we
00:00:32
saw this with a q1 GDP we're in a lowkey
00:00:35
recession so I think that we're going to
00:00:38
probably go through a couple of very
00:00:40
difficult revisions of old data the
00:00:43
thing to remember about non-farm
00:00:45
payrolls isn't as much what the number
00:00:47
is but if you actually look to the
00:00:49
number of times it then gets revised the
00:00:51
reality is that these things get revised
00:00:53
constantly and right now we're in this
00:00:55
trend where we are overestimating and
00:00:57
revising down

Episode Highlights

  • Lowkey Recession
    Current economic indicators suggest we are experiencing a subtle recession.
    “We're in a lowkey recession.”
    @ 00m 35s
    August 21, 2024
  • Economic Data Revisions
    Economic forecasts are often revised down, indicating a trend of overestimation.
    “These things get revised constantly.”
    @ 00m 51s
    August 21, 2024

Episode Quotes

Key Moments

  • Recession Talk00:35
  • Economic Revisions00:51

Related Episodes

Podcast thumbnail
Massive jobs revision, Kamala wealth tax, polls vs prediction markets, end of race-based admissions
Podcast thumbnail
Big Fed rate cuts, AI killing call centers, $50B govt boondoggle, VC's rough years, Trump/Kamala
Podcast thumbnail
Inside the White House Tech Dinner, Weak Jobs Report, Tariffs Court Challenge, Google Wins Antitrust
Podcast thumbnail
E103: Tech layoffs surge, big tech freezes hiring, optimizing for profits, election preview & more
Podcast thumbnail
“It's insane that the largest and most sophisticated economy in the world is this unpredictable.”
Podcast thumbnail
Yen Carry Trade, Recession odds grow, Buffett cash pile, Google ruled monopoly, Kamala picks Walz
Podcast thumbnail
Bernie Sanders: Stop All AI, China's EUV Breakthrough, Inflation Down, Golden Age in 2026?
Podcast thumbnail
E89: GDP growth negative in Q2, $SHOP layoffs, Alzheimer's fraud, Ginkgo acquires Zymergen & more
Podcast thumbnail
E86: Macro outlook: jobs, housing, inflation + Dutch farmers protests & EU climate missteps
Podcast thumbnail
E84: Markets update, crypto collapse, Russia/Ukraine endgame, state of the podcast
Podcast thumbnail
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option
Podcast thumbnail
Presidential Debate Reaction, Biden Hot Swap?, Tech unemployment, OpenAI considers for-profit & more