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our next guest needs no introduction
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she has an incredible uh career in film
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she's an entrepreneur she's a podcaster
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but interesting we learned about a year
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and a half ago
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that our friend Gwyneth Paltrow is also
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a fan of the all-in podcast
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are you trolling me with my glasses do
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you have your blue lights on
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I can't I honestly can't see without
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these things at this point it's
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unforgiving I'm just curious thanks for
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uh zooming in here
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um when did you become aware of the
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podcast because you said you'd listen to
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two podcasts you have your own amazing
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podcast how did you discover the all-in
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podcast because you wrote about it so
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graciously in the group newsletter and
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said it's your latest Obsession then you
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shattered us out on another podcast so I
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get like a hundred we all get like 100
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inbounds when you do that but how did
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you find out about our podcast
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I think he's recommended to be my friend
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um and I just you know there's some
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obviously the field is so crowded but I
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thought okay
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put it on and honestly I think you guys
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are the only thing I listen to
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religiously every single week but I love
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all of them would you open my mind and
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challenge my thinking
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um and actually learned so much from all
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of you so I I just I appreciate what you
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guys do and I really feel very honored
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that you
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um you know my husband that we have a
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little bonus attention is he thinks I'm
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in a long time with David so he's
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letting him do this so it's
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but you're breaking up a little bit but
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I think I heard in there that she hates
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David she hates David sash is that
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correct
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that you just I I heard that I was in
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favor of bestie but
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um so you're traveling right now you
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don't have starlink on your plane
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I'm flying on American did not lend me
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his claim for this uh appearance
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we'll make sure regret we brought the
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summit to you this year but you couldn't
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make it in person I wanted to ask you of
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all the things you've done
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uh you had this incredible uh career in
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Hollywood which really spanned from the
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independent film era all the way to the
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Blockbuster superhero era uh obviously
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uh goop and the tremendous success there
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and podcasting what have you enjoyed
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most and then I'm wondering I know you
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get haranged by all the Marvel fans to
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play Pepper Potts again but it's not
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exactly your decision
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um what have you enjoyed most in your
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career
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you know I have to say I genuinely and
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have enjoyed all of the chapters
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I've been incredibly fortunate in that
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I've had this amazingly diverse life
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I've been an expat in London for a
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decade a
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and it's been it's been it's been really
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it's been just thrilling to be able to
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do that and then kind of segue into a
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life of Entrepreneurship and I don't I
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would be hard-pressed to pick a favorite
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yeah
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yeah how did you how did you make that
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decision Gwyneth we talked with
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Alexandra botez before this she's a uh
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you know gotten a lot of notoriety and
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built an audience streaming chess
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um chess matches and now she's building
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her own business and we're going to talk
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to Jimmy Donaldson Mr Beast here in a
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minute and he's similarly building his
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own business with his audience
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um how did you make the decision to
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build goop to build a business with your
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audience instead of uh endorse other
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businesses and get paid to put your
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stamp on other products that were
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already in market and help us think
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about you know the the intention on
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being an entrepreneur and an owner
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instead of being you know an endorser
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and a service provider
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I mean I I think that in my position you
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know we're expected to kind of be an
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endorser and put our name on something
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more white label in my case maybe it was
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naivete like I just really wanted to try
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to build something Brick by Brick and
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have that incredible hockey stick and
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education and um and the business
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happened very iteratively it really just
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started with me kind of writing content
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in my kitchen in London almost 15 years
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ago which is kind of hard to believe and
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the business models there have been a
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few of them they've slowly evolved over
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time you know we started monetizing
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content and then moved into product and
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then making our own product
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um
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and I think it's sort of what I didn't
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like so much about acting was the part
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where you're kind of waiting around
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waiting for permission to engage to
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create something to put something out in
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the world and this is far more immediate
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and
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um I I loved my acting career but I find
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this like incredibly fulfilling in a
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much different way
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yeah maybe you could talk a little bit I
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know I listened to your pod and I've
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been watching your intellectual
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curiosity it seems like aging and kind
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of living our best lives in our 50s and
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Gen X is kind of moving into this new
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era I'm curious what you'd think about
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this having multiple careers and moving
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into this this new era of life
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um and living your best life in your 50s
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in your 60s people are staying healthier
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longer skiing into their 60s and 70s I
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want to bring up too much skiing I know
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that was a bit of a distraction this
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year for you congratulations on the case
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um
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yeah
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I mean the best part of it was
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when you walked out of the case and you
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put your hand on your shoulder said I
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just wish you well or something you were
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very you were very kind and magnanimous
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but maybe talk about just how great it
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is to be able to just keep having this
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healthy lifestyle and you know what
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you're doing on the Pod because I'm
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watching you intellectually go from
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shorter to longer to longer and more
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in-depth conversations
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um yeah thanks Jacob
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um you know I
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that's your way of saying you're full of
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[Laughter]
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um
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you know I think what I watched over the
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span of this kind of 15
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kind of General curiosity in wellness
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and this idea that we can impact the the
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way that we feel I think you know we
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were a little bit early on the early
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side and the trends um and and I I
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really am so happy to see people
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understanding that how they think and
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how they breathe and what they eat
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really impacts how they feel the quality
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of their relationships and everything
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and
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and I think it's
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it only intensifies in your 50s I think
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when you start to understand that life
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really is finite and in a way that you
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don't you can't conceptualize that when
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you're 26 years old and so I'm glad that
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I um I feel bullish about aging you know
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I I definitely want to do whatever
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interventions I can to feel good and and
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happy and and live a long life I I love
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my kids so much I want to live a long
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time and meet their kids and
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um and I think the Pod the goop pod is
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is just a way for me to learn more about
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kind of what's out there and we talk to
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amazing doctors and and experts and
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scientists and thinkers and and so for
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me it's just a wonderful opportunity to
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learn and that's why I said in the
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beginning I don't know if it cut out but
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that's why I I listened to your pod
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religiously every week it's the only one
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that I I listen to every week because of
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the depth of of knowledge and you guys I
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think are bringing this amazing kind of
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open-minded perspective
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um and that's why I think you're you're
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so resonant with your listeners do you
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um
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you've probably read then you heard us
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talk a lot about Brian Armstrong's memo
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you probably heard us mention Toby ludke
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the CEO of Shopify his memo now both are
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sort of in one end of the Spectrum which
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is we're a team
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we're not a family keep your views to
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yourself essentially and you know we're
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coming here to work but there's a
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spectrum of different ways can you just
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describe where you are on that spectrum
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and some challenges or things that have
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you know you've had to go through in
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building this business
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relative to what how those guys would
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have run you know their companies
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yeah I mean I think that's been kind of
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the the most unexpected challenge is is
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the people piece the team building piece
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that knowing how once you're at a
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certain scale you know and you're not a
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CEO interacting with every single member
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of the team every day how difficult it
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is to define a culture
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um be agile about the changes in the
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culture
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um and I think you know for us I think
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it's hard right like I'm I'm a woman
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founder our team is probably 70 women
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women you know are typically are we're
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collaborative we are creative
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um and I I think that it's very hard to
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you know for us anyway at group 10 it
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would be impossible for there to be this
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kind of
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strict team uh mentality only I think we
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we do bring our hearts to what we do we
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there's there's meaning at what we're
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trying to create and
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um but but then again you know there are
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boundaries that need to be created and
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honestly I think when I look back at all
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the mistakes that I've made in in
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growing this company
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all of them stem from you know my
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wanting to be a family is that a
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different way
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my inability to sometimes say what
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needed to be said in order to spare
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somebody's feelings and so that that is
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there's a lot of personal work for me in
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that in that Spectrum
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um and I think that I'm sort of starting
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to really get the hang of how to do that
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and do it in my own way but I kind of
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had to give myself permission to to
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navigate through it and sort of Define
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how I want to operate like that as a
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leader
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and and I suppose being a celebrity uh
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is is an adjustment for people working
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for you I'm curious how that transition
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was and and can people be normal around
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you at work
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the truth yeah I mean it just must be
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hard at first no
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I think it is hard you know I think
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um I think people come in and you know
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I've been in the culture for better or
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worse for a really long time now so I
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think everybody kind of has something
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there
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coming in with
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um a Prejudice or a projection
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um and and I also just am you know
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famous so sometimes that's kind of it
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feels like a filter that lives between
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me and and other people I think the best
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people at goop you can feel like they
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drop that really quickly
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um and and we we work best and make the
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best stuff and and grow in the best way
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when people say no and people challenge
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me um is Hollywood
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challenged in being able to speak its
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mind
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Hollywood from the outside seems to have
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a very kind of monocultural point of
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view and you're very quickly canceled if
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you say the wrong thing or you say
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something that's on your mind that
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doesn't fit with the standard
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and is that something that you view to
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be kind of an inherent challenge in
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Hollywood today
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you know I it's interesting like
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the I think cancel culture is really
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toxic and really stems from
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you know I mean I have a whole long
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theory about this but I I do feel like
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um I do feel like in our culture there's
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a very binary way we look at good and
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bad and I think we put a lot of pressure
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on ourselves and we are not good at
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understanding that we are human we are
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all light and dark and at various times
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we have great qualities we have
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qualities we're working on
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um and I think what happens is because
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we don't live in a culture where we're
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allowed to sort of show our shadow sides
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um when somebody else does something
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that you know we can quickly have Sean
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right over we sort of jump on it because
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it feels like a release you know it
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feels like a relief like oh well at
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least I didn't you know do X like this
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guy
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um and I don't think he gets his very
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far as the culture I think it's actually
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really reductive and um and I'm hoping
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that we're going to kind of mature out
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of this binary cancer culture way of of
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looking at things you know I personally
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don't think about it because I would
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never open my mouth like I I have to be
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myself and and of course you want to be
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measured and you know you don't want to
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unnecessarily you know get yourself in
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trouble or say something stupid but at
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the same time I think it's important to
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be true to who you are be in Integrity
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say what you mean and and sometimes you
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know you see that that creates
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controversy but I don't think that
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that's always a bad thing
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what is the future of of Hollywood I
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feel like I was thinking about your
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career because I was reviewing all the
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amazing films you were in in the 90s and
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then obviously I mentioned you know um
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the last run of the superhero films it
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feels like you're part of the last
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generation of movie stars and Freeburg
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and sax and I are huge Cinema Buffs and
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fans of what you do
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um maybe you could talk about I've I've
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watched her movies yeah he liked pop She
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Bop texted me like hey what should I
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watch tonight and I give him well no I
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tell you to watch something really great
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and you're like that was terrible and
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I'm like well okay it's got seven Oscar
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nominations anyway
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um terrible movie yes she wasn't in it
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if she was in it'd be better
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Carr was a great film it was incredible
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yeah did you see Tara Gwyneth
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so what's been what have we lost now
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with this kind of the end of Cinema it's
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kind of heartbreaking for me and I
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wonder if it's heartbreaking for you too
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and maybe then you could speak on the
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strike and maybe how that might get
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resolved I know you're out of it pretty
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much but maybe you could talk a little
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bit about the end of yeah watch yourself
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what should the unions be fighting for I
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mean you're on the other side in a sense
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you're running a tech company you know
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you're probably figuring out how to use
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Ai and all of these disruptive tools
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your old compatriots must need a lot of
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help and guidance to not fight for the
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wrong things
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so yeah how do you think about the
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future of Hollywood like how would you
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direct them like hey guys this matters
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and this other stuff just doesn't matter
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yeah I mean it's I think we're at an
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incredible inflection point and you know
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to to start with your question JJ Cal
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like the the inherent models of the
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business have changed so much as we know
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with streaming
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um I I do think that it brings up really
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interesting questions around like what
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does this mean for artists going forward
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um the business isn't monetized the way
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that it used to be residuals used to be
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a huge part of how artists made their
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living and I do think that this is an
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area where the studios kind of need to
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need to readdress how they have been
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paying in the back end
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um especially on TVD but we are living
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in a time where there are these emerging
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technologies that just are going to
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change the way that things are made and
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so I think you know look I as you said
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I'm kind of out of it I I
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I don't um act very much anymore I am
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married to a television writer
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um who knows far more about the ins and
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outs of this
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um but I I do think you know there are I
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think artists do need to understand that
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you know it's like with anything when
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when
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an industry
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um led by you know first these
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technology right streaming and now ai
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and these things that are coming around
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the corner I think we all need to be we
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all need to be open-minded
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um and understand that like
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the the train has left the station these
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Technologies exist so we're gonna have
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to find the best way forward through
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them what what what is your point of
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view what is the conversation behind
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closed doors on generative art
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generative film where we're headed not
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the public conversation but the behind
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doors dinner conversation with your
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colleagues and Friends
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I think people are really concerned you
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know my actor friends are very concerned
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about the idea that you know for example
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just use myself that they could decide
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you know to make the Royal Tenenbaums
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too and because I don't own my IP Disney
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owns that IP and my name and likeness
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for that film that they could just
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theoretically create a sequel and not
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ask my permission
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um and that I wouldn't have to be paid
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for it so that that's kind of what the
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actors where they go like you know for
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example I invested in a company called
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speechify where they use AI
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um you can I don't know if you guys know
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I use it and you can read the New York
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Times you're one of the official voices
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on speechify in right so
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um you know I read a bunch of stuff into
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a microphone and then AI took my voice
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and now if you want to read uh then you
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know Walter isaacson's new book on Elon
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which I know David sacks is going to be
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the first person in line to buy that
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book
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um you can you can listen to it with my
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voice so you know in that case I said
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I'm licensing it to you and here are the
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parameters but I think the idea is going
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forward if that that wasn't the case
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um it could be it could be a
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free-for-all that's that's kind of what
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that's what the actors are worried about
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I think you know I think the writers
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that I speak to
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um
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they seem to be less worried about
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the AI piece right now because it's so
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nascent and obviously it's mining things
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that have already been written and you
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know I think
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art that resonates with people comes
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from new ideas
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um and new ways of creating resonant
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intersections for people and I think
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we're always going to need people for
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that I mean maybe I'm naive but that's
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so I don't think I don't find writers
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behind closed doors as concerned about
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the aips as I do the actors right now
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that makes sense we have a friend here
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who's a showrunner is a television
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writer he may be in the audience here
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somewhere I think that's his attitude as
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well which is like I don't really want
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to be on strike and I don't I don't need
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to be protected from AI that's kind of
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like protecting me from a word processor
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or something like that that I mean I
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think these AI tools are going to be
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really useful to writers it's going to
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be kind of crazy to say that writers
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can't use generative AI Tools in their
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research or writing or whatever I agree
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with you about the actors that that's
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different I think actors should be able
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to control their name and likeness and
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make licensing deals for that that kind
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of stuff but but I think but I do think
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there's like a little bit of paranoia
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going on with the writer's Guild like
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there I think they're way too concerned
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that like writers rooms are going to get
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replaced with AI software and I just
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think you know this is a debate we have
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in other occupations as well where
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people are really afraid that you know
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AI is just going to replace all the jobs
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and you know I think our view is at
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least for the foreseeable future it's
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giving more like co-pilots where it's a
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human working with the software not a
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total replacement of the human yeah
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yeah I think I think that's right can I
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ask you about
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um unions for a second so part of you
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know revitalizing maybe the movie
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industry but a lot of these industries
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is just that sometimes the cost of
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making these things just get really
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outrageously high right and you know
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you've probably lived on sets of movies
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where it's just like these cost overruns
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and then you get into this tricky
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accounting and then all of a sudden one
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producer is pursuing the other all of
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this stuff at some level just boils down
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to there's just just massive
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cost inflation that exists that probably
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shouldn't exist nine people doing a job
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the one person Etc
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um just talk to us about like what is
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the future of that kind of stuff like
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how do you
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provide opportunity how do you protect
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folks but then how do you make sure that
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the costs don't become so exorbitant
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that it just kills the industry Without
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You noticing
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I think it's a really good question I
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mean you know I think you have to look
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at who who profits from all of the
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inefficiencies and um
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you know it's one of the reasons that I
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feel so frustrated when I'm on set is
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because it's it is inefficient and it
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does feel like there's a lot of padding
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um but
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again you know it's this is the the
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systems that exist
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um have been in place for a really long
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time
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I I I don't really want to opine on
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um you know the state of unions per se I
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think you know I I would focus more on
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like if I was running
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efficiencies and
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um and I I would rather I would rather
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create profit for shareholders from
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creating efficiencies and like dealing
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with all of the essentially offbacks
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that it takes to make something like
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that and and and less about you know not
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wanting to share profits with the art
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artists
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you as somebody who did movies in this
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incredible Golden Era Sundance era
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independent film all these incredible
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new directors who you got to work with
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and then this Golden Era of Television
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arrived over the last four or five years
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which is I'm sure you know you've
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enjoyed and I know your husband's uh
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participated in that meaningfully have
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you can you must have gotten tons and
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tons of offers because they keep trying
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to get movie stars to do TV shows
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did you ever consider any of them are
00:22:02
there any you passed on that we could
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hear about and
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um what would what would it take to get
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you to do one of those TV shows like
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what have you passed on I'm always
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interested in that
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my mother says who's also a great actor
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she says I'm never allowed to say
00:22:18
anything about what I passed on she says
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it's not ladylike and I can't do it in
00:22:23
public so I have to defer
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not even one okay
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what would it take to and have you
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considered it like it does seem like a
00:22:34
moderating have you ever moderated
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we could use a new monitor here
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soon yeah can I can I ask you I assume
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meaning like in the next two hours when
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this thing is done I'm gonna can I ask
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you your point of view on the rules that
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the academy passed for qualifying for
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best picture
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um obviously they added all these
00:22:54
diversity rules this past year I think
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they were formalized this past year
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um and we heard from Larry Summers
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earlier today I know you it's a pity you
00:23:03
weren't here because there was a lot of
00:23:04
great conversations
00:23:05
um but Larry said something along the
00:23:08
lines of um you know self-esteem should
00:23:11
come from Achievement not achievement
00:23:13
coming you know it was I don't want to
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butcher it but basically we have a
00:23:17
challenge right now that we aren't
00:23:19
really earning
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um the credit we get and
00:23:23
we risk seeing the best things not
00:23:25
always win does the best film not win if
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there's a lot of new qualifying criteria
00:23:31
that might keep the best film out of the
00:23:33
best picture
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nomination because it doesn't fit these
00:23:36
new diversity rules how do you view that
00:23:38
how does Hollywood behind closed doors
00:23:40
talk about this and is this the right
00:23:42
way to kind of
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um you know give the awards for the best
00:23:46
pictures every year
00:23:50
you know Friedberg I honestly don't even
00:23:52
know like I feel so out of this business
00:23:53
I don't even know about these new
00:23:55
diversity roles uh well to get nominated
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can I educate myself yeah that's the
00:24:01
whole point of the podcast all good well
00:24:03
when you moderate these next episodes so
00:24:06
um I'm looking forward to it I have a
00:24:08
question which is uh back to goop for a
00:24:09
second so you're building distribution
00:24:11
this is like this theme this afternoon a
00:24:13
little bit
00:24:14
um with Alex with you with Jimmy who
00:24:16
we're going to talk about which is
00:24:18
these new content creators emerge you
00:24:20
guys create formats that engage in
00:24:22
audience what they really give you is
00:24:24
their trust you build these new
00:24:25
distribution rails and then you decide
00:24:28
Gwyneth where do you want to point those
00:24:29
distribution is it chocolate bars in
00:24:31
Jimmy's case is it you know merch and
00:24:33
chess related things for Alex
00:24:35
um
00:24:36
I'm sure that you and your team are
00:24:38
looking at like what are these areas
00:24:39
that are just so brittle that can just
00:24:41
be totally ripped apart like where new
00:24:43
brand consideration can happen you can
00:24:46
establish the trust can you just give us
00:24:47
some insight into that like what are the
00:24:49
old laggard businesses that are just
00:24:51
ready to get dismantled
00:25:00
do it more from the inside out like what
00:25:03
do where is the book base that I
00:25:13
oh
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Zoom
00:25:17
I mean it was held up pretty well so far
00:25:21
all right with that uh we'll thank
00:25:25
you Gwyneth Paltrow yeah amazing well
00:25:28
done I mean
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it's kind of great
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um
00:25:33
that she is so engaged with the Pod and
00:25:36
yeah well I'll tell you her comment
00:25:39
about waiting around
00:25:41
um on a film set really resonated with
00:25:43
me I've released a couple of movies I've
00:25:44
been to movie sets if Dolly and thank
00:25:46
you for smoking congratulations smoking
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and if you talk to anybody who's ever
00:25:49
visited a movie set the first thing they
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will say every time is there's so much
00:25:54
waiting around it's like it's boring
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it's a lot more boring than he thought
00:25:57
it was going to be and there's a huge
00:25:59
amount of time waiting around on sets
00:26:01
for the next you know for the next setup
00:26:03
they have to move the lights around or
00:26:04
whatever so you know in I'll tell you
00:26:07
with Dolly the dolly movie we did you
00:26:10
know they would do like an eight to ten
00:26:11
hour shooting day I would get the the
00:26:13
dailies which is all the material they
00:26:15
shot you know in a link to basically
00:26:17
like a Dropbox folder everything he shot
00:26:19
was two hours so you take a 10 hour
00:26:21
shooting day you're only shooting for
00:26:23
two hours of that and then that two
00:26:25
hours is maybe three two or three pages
00:26:28
of material
00:26:29
you're watching five takes of every
00:26:32
angle or whatever so so there is a huge
00:26:34
amount of of just sort of boredom on a
00:26:37
set so um I think it's really cool that
00:26:39
cheap while thinking about this is like
00:26:41
hey I could start a company yeah and I
00:26:44
think your growth is one of the first to
00:26:46
do this like 15 years ago yeah I mean
00:26:48
she came before anybody and I think she
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she
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had a lot of iteration along along the
00:26:55
way
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