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well let's uh let's just go around the horn who voted for Trump let's all raise their hands for those who voted for
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Trump ready one two three go I voted twice I voted twice me too for me it was so easy how many swing Stakes did you
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fine anybody can do this anyone can do this math how many how many how big is the theater and what are we charging for
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the tickets well it's not a theater so there's like the tickets are like 500 bucks I love you being the moderator and
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and everything yeah should be fun okay so um it sounds great yeah if you could take some pictures sax would love to
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only unless it's marago saak will not show up I want to just congratulate like oh we're spending a million dollars I
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won't be there okay sorry keep going I want to congratulate someone really special uh
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without whom Trump would likely not have been elected president so your bravery your Ingenuity
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your creativity you led the way and you brought millions of people the direct news they couldn't get anywhere else
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Jason congrats by putting the all-in Pod you've inadvertently architected a system that's helped return Trump to the
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White House and for that many people are praising you today congrats Jason how does it feel to have finally accompl
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your dream feels great yeah absolutely yeah big shout out to J I did see a tweet where somebody somebody gave me a
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lot of credit for moving the Overton window in Silicon Valley and they said that Jason was indispensable as my foil
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if I didn't have him to dunk on for four years with my political takes it wouldn't have been nearly as effective
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so thank you for that absolutely not yeah my pleasure I'm I am Abit to your internal MSM debating partner um we
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needed someone to represent the Legacy Media point of view absolutely absolutely okay so let's kick it off
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saak you were at maral Lago on election night I thought it' just be great if you
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could tell us a little bit about what the scene was like how was it and when did you guys kind of know that Trump had
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kind of the victory in the bag was it pre uh the polls coming in because you had poster data early or you know tell
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us a little bit about the experience there and when it all kind of came together yeah I went over there I guess
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around 7:30 I want to say Eastern Time Tucker invited me to come on his show Tucker was doing a live stream from the
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library at moral Lago I'd actually never been over there before there was also a
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dinner going on in the ballroom which was I think primarily for maral Lago members and you know there were some
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Senators there members of The Campaign and then there was another room set up with a bunch of TVs for basically the
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the staff to watch the results come in when I first got there people were kind of just watching trying to find out the
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early results I would say that the The Whispers were positive but people didn't fundly know more than the rest of us you
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know everyone's kind of waiting for the results to come in I did get a chance to
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take a photo with the president actually Elon came in separately around the same
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time and we got a very memorable photograph here when I shook the president's hand I got to tell you he
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was cool as a cucumber he did not seem nervous did he feel confident like he had it in the bag yeah I think he was
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confident but I don't think he was acting like he had it in the bag or anything like that they didn't know yet
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but he was just super super relaxed and calm and um taking photos with everyone a good you remember the moment when his
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hand touched yours take us to that just unpack it a little bit give you the shake he gives that
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little shake to exert a little dominance did he give you the shake it was just a
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normal handshake but my point is like I could detect no nervousness whatsoever on his part and look the rest of us were
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we were like nervous we were wondering what was whole country was nervous yeah yeah and what were you guys doing just
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hanging out having cocktails having dinner just everyone was Meandering chilling what's the scene what's the
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scene like at Marva Lago there's a dinner in the ballroom actually I saw Jared there Jared was very nice to me he
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he asked me do you want to sit down at the at the dinner and I I could have joined him but then I decided to do the
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the live stream with you guys and I pulled in Don Jr and we did the live stream with with Don
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Jr like I said are you officially a Mara Lago member by the way for 500 large oh
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my Lord is that true 500,000 well that's what Don junr told us but look there's a
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process to get in I mean I don't I don't live in Palm Beach I I think it's the Palm Beach Community is members of mar
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Lago yeah so I think that there were you know it wasn't a huge group of people at
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maral Lago and really all the supporters were convened at the convention center in Palm Beach there were thousands of
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people there I think originally they had talked about doing a election night party at maral Lago but it just got too
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big so they moved it to the convention center so I don't know whatever it was that I dropped off the live stream with
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you guys I then moved to the convention center Got Back back on with new and then we were kind of waiting at the
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convention center we were all feeling good increasingly so throughout the night I would say that when Pennsylvania
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finally got called then I think everyone knew that it was in the bag at that point and it was just a matter of time
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before the election got called for for Trump and then you know at some point they kind of hurted us downstairs into
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that large Ballroom where Trump gave his victory speech with the rest of the campaign staff so the final t it looks
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like is going to be 3112 Electoral College votes for president Donald Trump versus KLA Harris's
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226 just for context in 2016 Trump won with 304 electoral votes and Biden won in 20120 with
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306 so it's a pretty sweeping Victory he won all the supposed swing States this year fairly resoundingly there's there's
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no real super close calls there's some close calls but but pretty resounding victory chth what happened wow it's a
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it's a really good question I think that there's many layers of the answer but I think in its most basic
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calculation I think that the bottom fell out of the democratic party and if you look at
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why there's a simple explanation and then there's the more nuanced explanation I think the
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simple explanation is like they just lost the script I think that there was so many
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people that just got really tired of being spoken at and labeled misogynist racist fascist
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transphobe whatever it was and there was just these Litany of these judgmental labels that would come out instead of
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engaging on the topics at hand so I think the Democratic party played this game of trying to use
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identities genders races as a bid to basically get people that they thought should always vote in
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their direction to continue to support them and instead what happened was people just started to think for
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themselves and say hold on a second I'm just a normal person that wants to be left alone what matters to me and I
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think what Donald Trump spoke to was a desire for folks to have economic Prosperity a safe neighbor
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neighborhood a predictable educational curriculum where these kids could go to school not be indoctrinated and come out
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the other side and just know some useful skills so that they could get a good job
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and do better than they did and all these basic truths ended up on the ballot and so it was a bunch of
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perception versus just a bunch of hard realities and I think Trump stayed focused and
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ultimately made sure that people understood that that's what he was focused on and I think the Democrats
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just went to this place of demagoguery and labels and I think it was just a resounding defeat and David I just want
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you to like just to put a pin in on how resounding it is in California and New York which I
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would say are the two most prolific bastions of elitist liberal thinking Democrats won those States in
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some of the narrowest margins they've ever seen I think in 2020 they won California
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by 29 Points it was barely half is what they won by this year in New York it shrunk to a 12-point margin so what is
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this telling you it's telling you that the Democrats really need to retool and get back to First principles it was a
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cataclysmic dismissal of wokeism of cancel culture of judgmentalism it was an ringing
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endorsement of a meritocracy of just plain simple common sense of talking with people and to
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people being able to tolerate disagreements remaining friends all of those things were on the
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ballot and it it was just an absolute resounding victory for just normaly that's what I think we saw we
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saw a return to normaly Jason do you think that that message got across more clearly in this election than ever
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before as some have claimed because of the power of alternative media for reaching the audience rather than having
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everything pushed through reporters and traditional Legacy Media in this case many of the candidates particularly on
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the Republican side went direct to the audience through long form podcasts like ours but also Joe Rogan and Lex and many
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others and did that move the needle for a lot of people in a way that won this or was it the policies and the
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difference alone yeah I well clearly being on podcast was a major part of Trump's strategy that people are
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starting to report on right now and you know in media you go where the audience is and I think the Democrats just didn't
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get that now stepping back I think the number one problem here is the candidate that the Democrats put up and probably
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the close number two is inflation and you know the economy as you know we all know it's the economy stupid if you were
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paying $2 for a cheeseburger at McDonald's and now it's $4 that's what people are going to remember and the
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inflation that occurred over this last four years was huge and people cited that over and over and over again so
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there's probably three buckets you could put this conversation into there's the candidate KLA Harris was a terrible
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candidate she was put in at the last minute and she was annointed and she didn't go through a proper primary I
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think that's probably number one in this entire thing it was a terrible candidate
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you're saying you're saying number one is the candidate I number one's the candidate uh number two I think because
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remember Trump was incredibly unpopular as well and all credit to Trump for winning and running an incredible
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campaign I mean just they they crushed it on podcast with JD Vance turned out to be spectacular on podcasts and really
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delivered the message and um you know then number two is obviously inflation in the economy
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and then I think number three is the bucket that shamat started with which is the country really really does not like
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being told that they're racist or sexist Etc cancel culture and you put those three things
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together one of the things that's coming out right now is some of the ads and we'll play an ad here I wanted you guys
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to see this I think this ad sums up exactly how bad kamla was and we'll combine this ad with just
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some of the statistics that have come out of how many people have gone right this is Charlemagne the God from The
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Breakfast Club for those who don't know in a Donald Trump ad taxpayer funded sex
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changes for prison surgery um for prisoners for prisoners every transgender inmate in the prison system
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would have access hell no I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to that comma supports transgender sex changes in jail
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with our money comma even supports letting biological men compete against our girls in their Sports Kamala is for
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they them president Trump is for you I'm Donald J Trump and I approve this message and so
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how does kamla come back from this with black voters with male voters with people who are tired of having this
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agenda shoved down their throat obviously it's going to be incredibly difficult plus she was in charge of the
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Border claimed she wasn't plus she was in charge of uh you know and Biden were in charge of the economy when inflation
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spiked terrible candidate combined with a bad track record combined with a flawless campaign from Trump I think
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easy Victory and you know if we pull up this uh ft chart Nick that I sent you ahead of time and I tweeted this you
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know Americans Love winners and Innovation and they hate socialism and this woke nonsense and if you look at
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how Trump's support increased look at this chamat every single demographic black Asian Hispanic 18 to 29 30 to 34
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fale white college men except for two 6 5year old plus very moderately very modestly went left and white college
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women very modestly went left in terms of increasing support otherwise a hard shift right including some categories so
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so so the biggest the biggest shift right was in Hispanic and Asian population right and these are groups of
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people I think who you you can you can double click on young people Hispanic and Asians Asians believe in meritocracy
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I think is what most people have read into that dramatic swing and Hispanics are anti or more traditional family
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values and that's probably what pushed that so far right but I wanted to just get your take on that chart chamama in
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relation to your handicapping of the election and then how much comma and how much the inflation played into it I
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think that there are three ways to kind of identify and tell me if you guys think these are the wrong vectors
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there's either the policies the candidate and the methods of the campaign all of
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it it's all three right that's how I kind of break down what happened in this election cycle there's a a big
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difference between the candidates as people some people cannot see past the fact that comma did not get any primary
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vote some people cannot see past yep the behavior of Donald Trump on Twitter and
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when he talks to people and how he has talked to people and perceived to be a bully and the felony conviction and some
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people cannot get past other factors of those two candidates and then some people can get past it I've been saying
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this since I'm blew in the face but I'll try it again I think that the mainstream media
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has been working hand inhand with the Democratic party to propagate and move forward an agenda that tried to vilify
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Donald Trump I did not know that when I initially encountered him in 2015 as a candidate but what you're supposed to do
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as an adult is once you start to see a pattern of behavior you know this is for the safety security of your family this
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is about how you think about economically taking care of your family like you have to
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reerrr you must be prepared to change your mind when you see important information and I have said this till I
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blew in the face but I'll say it again if I think of all of the people in the political infrastructure
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of America that I have met and spent time with from Bill Clinton on I remember sitting and having dinner
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with Barack Obama the day of brexit and getting a note that he read and he said oh my gosh and says wow the
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UK just pulled out I was sitting across from him that dinner I've been with all of these
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people the Democrats only come to me to ask me for money the only politician that has ever called me
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just to have a conversation just to say thank you and be kind the only one has been Donald
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Trump isn't that incredible of all of the people every other person has only ever called and asked me for
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money so what does that mean I think what it means is that there has been a concerted
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effort to perturb the way that you interpret who he is separately there's been a concerted
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effort to prop up whoever is sitting against him in opposition and I think this is an
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opportunity to finally acknowledge that if you trust these traditional Legacy sources of helping you to get to a
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decision you're going to get tricked there's that old saying you know fool me once shame on you but fool me twice
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shame on me because I am now allowing this to happen and I think that for a lot of Americans
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that is what happened I think it is really as simple as that I think they were able to see through the
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veneer of an attempt to malign and Corner somebody and on the other side an attempt to basically play on Vibes and
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feelings and emotions and I don't think that America wants that that is not what
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they want in running the country they want somebody serious running the country where you can have disagreements
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with them and you can still find an opportunity to work together with those people I think it's that sex do you do
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you think about how important the policy versus the individual versus the way they ran the
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campaign the media and how they reached people as as kind of three vectors and if so how would you kind of rank those
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three in importance and what changed people's votes and got them to vote differently than they did in the last
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election yeah I think it's a pretty good framework I mean you have the message you have the messenger and I guess you
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have the the campaign at a tactical level I think it's a little bit unfair to blame this entire defeat on KLA
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Harris being a bad messenger or candidate it's true she's not the greatest candidate she has a lot of
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problems however I don't think she was dealt particularly strong hand the fact the matter is that we did have rampant
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inflation in this country that really hurt people in their pocketbooks every time they went to the grocery store and
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that resulted from the trillions of spending that was agreed to by virtually the entire Democratic party remember
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they not only did they pass trillions in spending they wanted four and a half trillion more for build back better and
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the only reason that didn't happen is because mansion and Cinema voted against it and can you imagine how much worse
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how much worse would have been Mansion was driven into retirement and Cinema was basically kicked out of the party
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she effectively told us that at the all-in summit so this defeat is on the entire Democratic party the Democratic
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party was in support of Joe Biden and KLA Harris's agenda they were in support of the de facto open border policies
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they were in support of the softon crime Soros da decarceral policies you can see
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that even in California which is a deep blue State there's a huge backlash huge this sort of insane soft on crime agenda
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the Democrats have 70% of California voted for prop 36 which basically reversed the excesses of
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Prop 47 which a decade ago basically made shoplifting legal in California you know who opposed prop 36 despite its
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massive popularity Gavin Nome KLA Harris wouldn't say whether she supported it or
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not so what you see is that even in blue States the Democratic party Elites are completely out of touch with what people
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want and then finally you've got foreign policy where I think that the the Democratic agenda basically one to
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engage in a proxy war with Vladimir Putin because he's the Incarnation of all evil that I think is blown up in the
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collective West face that has been a disaster that was supported by the entire Democratic party so on issue
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after issue that I think mattered in this election you cannot just put the blame on KLA Harris it's got to be on
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the Democratic party as a whole and just to Echo what Chamas said about the cultural stuff they've talked down to us
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they've lectured us they've insulted us they've censored us they've gaslit us they've tried to cancel us they've tried
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to cancel us they tried to punish descent with Warfare they turned Elon into an enemy which was the single worst
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own goal in history remember this wasn't just and Joe Rogan don't forget out as well Bernie supported Joe
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Rogan but with Elon it wasn't just disinviting him we never inviting him to the EV Summit it goes all the way back
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to Lena Gonzalez's tweet telling him to F off and leave the state of California so look the Democrat party as a whole
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has to own this and they're not going to start winning elections again until they
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have an improvement in their agenda not just their messenger so saak is this the
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nature of democracy that over time when you have a two-party system and one party veers too far to the left or one
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party veers too far to the right people jump ship to the other party and ultimately they pull the policies of the
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party that they left back to the middle and that's the way democracy is supposed
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to work and has worked historically so is this the way it's supposed to go and do we project that four years from now
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the Democrats will need to be and need to adjust to the center and will'll see less of this extremism because of the
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way the voting turned out this this I think that's a very interesting question is whether the Democrats have the
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necessary introspection to learn from this loss I would say that one of them does if you look at Mat glacius who's
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someone I've sparred with on on Twitter X who is a Democrat partisan he basically tweeted a list of principles
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that he thought the Democratic party needed to adopt I read it and retweeted I said laughing my ass off this is a
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list of Republican principles it was all about you know opposing woke and being in favor of Merit and Innovation
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tolerance I'm like great look you know what if the Democratic party wants to adopt these principles that's a
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wonderful thing for the country I hope that they do it okay but will they do it I have my doubts you look at this tweet
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by Ari f where he talks about who the Democratic party now is yeah I think that this is a
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really important tweet because it sort of tells you Sak who's going to be left in the
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room if these are the only people left in the room the last thing they're going to do is admit defeat right exactly so
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what you see is that the Democratic party base is these very affluent very overeducated very non-religious types
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and frankly I wonder whether they're too out of touch to know they're out of touch they're certainly very whiny and
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entitled and I just don't think they're going to seed control of the party without a
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fight and frankly they've disappeared so far up their own woke asses that I don't
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think they can find an electoral majority if they try so if these people stay in control of the party and these
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are the people who you're seeing having a mental breakdown on Tik Tok they're posting all the videos they're insulting
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the electorate and let's face it it's not just on Tik Tok it's on the Legacy Media it's on msdnc
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it's basically the the Legacy Media who are trying to diagnose a psychosis in the American electorate to explain why
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they were so wrong if those people stay in control I think that the Republicans could have an electoral majority as far
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as the eye can see I completely agree with you and I'll go even further which is I think that the Democrats will lose
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one of California or New York in the next eight years if they don't attack right that so that's the key question
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they're not going to attack if you think that the intelligent Genia quote unquote
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the Bill Gates readed Hoffman of the world that funds Dustin moskovitz that funds the Democratic apparatus at the
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highest level if they can't change what are the odds that the state infrastructure or
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the local infrastructure changes I think maybe on the margins the local infrastructure can change more quickly
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and adeptly because it just costs a lot less money and it's much more concentrated
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but I think the states are very lagered in that sense and I think that they take
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the table scraps of what's left over so if if you have the Democrats lead there is no chance that if unless they change
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the planks of their platform that the state legislatures in New York and California are going to change what they
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believe Nick pull up the the link I just sent so let me just underscore an important aspect for you guys on this
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which is the amount that the Democrats spent in this campaign and obviously they saw a significant negative return
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they lost across the board Senate majority House Majority governorships the White House but they spent more here
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you can see the difference between the Harris campaign and the Trump campaign spending Harris campaign spent nearly
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$900 million the Trump campaign 350 million if you look at the super pcts the super PCT spent 1.4 billion on the
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Dem side roughly 400 million 450 million on the Republican side and if you scroll
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down in some of these key Senate races the Dems far out spent the Republicans and still lost the Ohio Senate race
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shared Brown $58 million of spending Bernie Moreno 21 million and Bernie Moreno had a resounding Victory John
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tester 84 million is spending Tim shei 22 million T Tim shei won the uh the election so across the board the
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spending was greater the return was negative because money cannot overcome common sense so my question again is
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does this not necessitate attack to the center for the Democrats they want to see the party survive and if they're
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going to continue to lose like this they will not continue to maintain the same policy agenda that got them into this
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position in the first place jcal do you think that the Democratic party will need to tack to the center and that
00:29:41
they're going to start to adjust because of this they they started that process they knew that going into this election
00:29:46
and they started moving to the center it was laughable in some cases because you
00:29:50
have like kamla talking about providing sex changes for prisoners and you know all of those receipts came out out so
00:29:58
even as she started to try to get to the center people didn't buy it so of course
00:30:02
they're going to but what's very interesting about spend there and the genius of trump is earned media what's
00:30:08
earned media when you are trying to get hits in media you will put them into two
00:30:13
buckets paid and earned what you just showed was paid paid is considered what you do if you can't earn media Allin
00:30:21
podcast is an example of earned media we do this every week we earned our audience we didn't pay anybody for this
00:30:28
audience and I think that was you know what Trump did uh and JD importantly someone someone that comes on the show
00:30:34
earns that uh correct so that's the piece of this that I think is so important you don't have to pay to go on
00:30:40
Joe Rogan but the candidate that the Democrats put out there was so bad that she could not even and I think Sax's you
00:30:50
know Master at setting people up here the the Democrats put up a horrible horrible candidate and I know sax is
00:30:58
saying oh it's not kala's fault kala could not go on Joe Rogan because they knew that it would be so embarrassing
00:31:06
and that she would get so embarrassed that it would lose her votes his Doom Loop uh you know observation from I
00:31:13
don't know eight weeks ago you had that sax was exactly correct the more she spoke the more she started going down
00:31:20
she was leading Trump at one point on poly Market in some of these places and she absolutely proved that she could
00:31:27
would not communicate well and so and I just want to just circle back to the point about inflation here's the
00:31:36
McDonald price increases that I was mentioning before end of 2019 you could buy a McChicken for a buck 29 and in mid
00:31:42
2024 it was $389 the majority of Americans wind up going to Taco Bell McDonald's every week
00:31:51
some cases multiple times a week you cannot discount exactly how profound this cost of eating food and buying
00:32:01
groceries had on this election it is the number one issue I think this election we can talk in our bubble about it but
00:32:09
about inflation this is what I mean by a return to normaly these are normal people problems how much does it cost to
00:32:16
put food on the table how much does it cost to drive from point A to point B I want to send my kid to a school where
00:32:22
they go and they learn the ABCs and the one 123s because they're going to have to graduate and compete with India and
00:32:28
China I don't want to worry about indoctrination and all this other stuff absolutely yeah so look I I did predict
00:32:34
the Doom Loop for Comm Harris two months ago because she is just not good at interviews or being off the cuff or
00:32:40
being unscripted not good is generous yeah s sxra Damas was right about that absolutely however and I would say the
00:32:47
biggest problem in her campaign is that she would neither defend the Biden Harris record nor say what she would do
00:32:54
differently the question you have to ask is why and I think it's because she was
00:32:59
in a really tough position that her own party put her in which is they said you can't criticize Joe Biden yep because
00:33:06
he's the sitting president but at the same time you can't defend him either because he's so unpopular well what made
00:33:14
him unpopular Democratic party policies they should have frankly looking back they should have just let Joe Biden
00:33:21
defend his own record the old man must have been in the White House nashing his teeth saying please put me in the game
00:33:29
let me defend my own record he at least believed in it the Democrats wouldn't defend their own record because it was
00:33:35
so bad you have to put some blame for that not just on KLA but on the entire party that's my only Point sax it's so
00:33:42
obvious that the technique they used to defeat Trump in 2020 after those chaotic
00:33:47
four years was hey do you want normaly and thenni is that 15 million votes what wait what's
00:33:55
that I I didn't hear the the joke I said what what tactic was that 15 million extra oh you're please don't start with
00:34:03
the conspiracy theories well going to say this has to be a conspiracy theory nowy right who's the chart from what's
00:34:14
the Providence of the chart just just so you know the Y AIS starts at 50 million
00:34:18
so don't be you know like a little too crazy like they they mailed hold on we go down this rabit let me just finish my
00:34:24
point then you guys can go to conspiracy corner and say the election was stolen the point I'm making here is obviously
00:34:30
Biden ran a very successful campaign against Trump based on Vibes and based on his creating chaos in the country in
00:34:37
most people's mind and this return to normaly so that did work for them previously it just didn't work this time
00:34:44
because they had to defend their record on the border they needed to defend their record on the economy and saxs is
00:34:49
exactly right they didn't touch that and how do you not talk about their own record and their record had some good
00:34:57
bright response to it record low employment record high stock market and we tamed inflation and they could have
00:35:04
had a really great discussion about inflation and just said Hey listen both of the last two terms there was a lot of
00:35:10
spending and so inflation manifested during the last four years and uh hey we tamed it so here we are we still have
00:35:16
record low unemployment we still have a record high stock market and we tamed inflation things are going to get better
00:35:23
but she couldn't even communicate that I can communicate that better than the presidential candidate
00:35:28
come on she could have easily done that free let me just go back to your point about the money it is true that the
00:35:32
Democrats had roughly three times as much money as the Republicans did the Democrats had something like a billion
00:35:39
dollars for this campaign the Republicans had presal campaign for the presidential campaign exactly the
00:35:45
Republicans obviously still won in a landslide I'm sorry that excludes that excludes the super pcts which had
00:35:50
additional funding that were going towards supporting the nominee as fair enough my point is just the Democrats
00:35:54
had a massive advantage on the money side they also I think think had a massive advantage on what you would call
00:36:01
the Legacy Media side I mean I don't know how you put a value a dollar value on what the Legacy Media has done not
00:36:08
just in this election cycle but for the last eight or nine years they have basically call Donald Trump a Nazi a
00:36:16
fascist a traitor a did it work or did it their to get to that blew up in their faces they called him an agent of Putin
00:36:25
they called him an insurrectionist they called him a convicted fellow they called him a dictator they've been
00:36:29
yelling that at the top of their lungs now for at least four years the country didn't believe it I would just say that
00:36:36
the Legacy Media spell is broken their credibility has been destroyed and I think that the repudiation of the Legacy
00:36:44
Media is one of the most important results of this election it just shows that the Democrats had I don't know how
00:36:51
you valued a trillion dollar propaganda machine on their side and Trump was still able to win and you have to at the
00:36:58
end of the day say that that's a result not just of alternative media gaining Steam and free speech on X I think those
00:37:06
were absolutely necessary enablers it's also the fact that Trump has a trillion dollar personality and is a tremendously
00:37:13
gifted communicator and politician in his own unique way but then but finally you have to say that the issues are on
00:37:20
Trump's side Americans want the border to be sealed they see that the spending and the bureaucracy in Washington are
00:37:27
out of control they do not want woke cancel culture anymore they see America getting over involved in Foreign Wars
00:37:35
they want the spending to be brought back home where it benefits them these are the key points of the Trump agenda
00:37:42
and at the end of the day whatever you want to say about Trump he ran a campaign based on issues he talked about
00:37:50
issues what did comma Harris run her campaign on Vibes celebrity endorsements name time debunked hoaxes I just want to
00:38:00
go around the horn real quick and ask each of you guys once again I'm going to ask you one more question after this
00:38:05
What mattered most was it the policy sacks as you're proclaiming is what a lot of people voted on was it the issues
00:38:10
with the candidate the individual or was it the media or the the campaign tactics
00:38:14
are those three what What mattered most you think in terms of moving votes what moved the most V list I don't think you
00:38:18
can separate the man from the message or the messenger from the message okay listen if you had a conventional
00:38:25
Republican out there don't think that they could have overcome the trillion dollar propaganda machine in Hand of the
00:38:33
Legacy Media that being said I think if Donald Trump had been campaigning with Mitt Romney's message or Mitch
00:38:41
McConnell's message I don't think he would have gone anywhere I don't even think he would have been the Republican
00:38:45
nominee you have to say that Trump since 2016 has tapped into something very deep
00:38:52
in the American electorate and you know this is something we can get into but I think that if you look back now over the
00:38:58
last 10 years is clear that he's the transformational figure in American politics it's not Barack Obama with all
00:39:04
due respect j k your turn the policies yeah the individual or the campaign tactics it's very clearly this had to do
00:39:13
you know primarily with kamla it is the candidate and how she was selected yeah I mean obviously if you had it's it's
00:39:22
interesting for you to say that as a Dem right because I think that may have chased a lot of people moderate I'm not
00:39:25
a voted Republican one third of the time maybe even a little bit more recently but two two3 you voted them so you were
00:39:33
open to that and I'm leaning moderate I mean I've been very clear about that my record's been very clear about that it
00:39:38
is clear that it was her because I will say if you had put up fredberg and I think it's great that you're forcing us
00:39:44
to pick one of the three and it's a hard thing to do but if you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro
00:39:50
I think they would have beat Trump very easily or because remember Trump was phenomenally unpopular and I think the
00:39:56
big question that's to come out of this is how did Elon do getting young men and
00:40:02
how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours do at getting young men to come out and
00:40:06
vote that's something we haven't talked about yet and I feel like that could be the one thing that comes out of this
00:40:11
election over the coming years that we look at that'll be the sustainable change is that young men are now voting
00:40:20
and they want to vote for something very different than white women or old people
00:40:25
and chamat what is your on What mattered most do you have one of those three how
00:40:30
would you wait you to R I think the policies of the democratic party are fundamentally
00:40:37
broken they've become the exact opposite of where they were even 20 years ago so
00:40:42
the Democrats used to be the protector of free speech now they are pro censorship the
00:40:50
Republicans are free speech the Democrats used to be all about anti-war now they are more like
00:40:58
to get mangled into all of these foreign Misadventures in partnership with the military industrial complex whereas the
00:41:04
Republicans have been a bull workk to war and they embraced the chaines ultimate proof of that oh my gosh I mean
00:41:10
that was the scariest and oddest turn of events so I think that what happened is
00:41:15
the policies they just lost their way now the question is was it purposeful or was it by accident and I think that
00:41:24
belies the bigger question which is just the people in charge of the democratic party I think to Sak's
00:41:31
point do they even have a sense of that they have to change or are they just so now fundamentally out of touch and they
00:41:38
just believe what they believe so ferociously they're going to have to go through maybe three or four or five more
00:41:43
elections of just getting totally trounced in order to learn the lesson okay I'll I'll um I'll wear my mlin hat
00:41:49
and say chof right answer now my next my next question back to you chath is I've had a lot of conversations in the
00:41:58
last few days um with good friends with people I'm close with with family and so
00:42:03
on hold on freeberg what do you think before you ask the next question I think policy matter but but here's the the the
00:42:09
stumbling block if you talk to anyone that did not vote that that did not vote for Trump and voted for kamla Harris
00:42:16
that is you know kind of reasonable people or what you know I I don't want to kind of classify people
00:42:24
but people that you would normally have decent long form conversations with and you start talking specific policy issues
00:42:30
with them the convers keeps coming back to Trump the person in my experience people can't see past a person who is a
00:42:38
quote convicted felon as they claim who is taking away women's rights who is a bully who is mean a lot of this is
00:42:44
influenced by his past behavior and things he said and the way he's said things and done things on Twitter we can
00:42:50
we can Proclaim that there was a lot of misrepresentation about Trump in the in the Legacy Media but there were a lot of
00:42:55
tweets that Trump put out that we offputting to a lot of people so I want you chamat to speak to the many
00:43:02
individuals out there who are good people who feel disenfranchised who are not like the the funny people you can
00:43:08
make fun of on Libs of Tik Tok or what have you but just everyday normal people that said I really don't trust the guy I
00:43:14
really don't believe that this is a good person and I think that the policies make more sense I agree with a lot of
00:43:21
the policy issues but frankly the guy doesn't seem like the right guy for me how do you kind of break through is that
00:43:26
possible and can you speak to that person to help them kind of see past the individual to the policies and have
00:43:33
trust and faith that this individual can actually Shepherd this nation forward there are so many very powerful
00:43:41
examples of how the media colluded with the Democratic party to fundamentally lie about things
00:43:54
that actually happened when it relates to Donald Trump one of the most simple and
00:44:01
Powerful was the lie about Charlottesville when I process Charlottesville I'm probably one of
00:44:08
those people David that you talk about I was just so scared and angry and I took
00:44:17
at face value what the media said that Donald Trump said and then I was really angry at
00:44:26
Donald Trump until I saw the footage and saw that it was just an complete lie and that is just an incredible
00:44:36
shirking of responsibility that the media has undertaken the deviousness the dishonesty it's really bad and that's
00:44:46
where I said I have to stop as a grownup rational man as the head of my family I
00:44:54
need to reer where I'm coming from well head of my family with Nat when she lets
00:44:59
me be but anyway feel I can feel her you listen to I can feel that one back to H me keep that line in Nick I am
00:45:15
the head of my family okay anyways guys let's get let's get back up go back go back go back go
00:45:23
back but but the thing is like I started to reenter it and I do that every day in my day job
00:45:31
I'm running a company is 8090 going well or not well it depends on the conditions
00:45:36
on the ground when things are going well I need to do more of those things when things are not going well I need to re
00:45:41
underwrite is it something that I'm in control of is it something that I've missed how do I change it how do I get
00:45:47
my team to be better I live it every day in investing it's the same thing you know there was periods where I was on
00:45:54
top of the world and everything was working then there were waves where things were not working but I still had
00:46:00
to show up and do my job well as it's turning out in those Darkest Hours was when I probably have made some of my
00:46:07
absolute best new Investments that would not have happened if I did not keep my feet on the ground and constantly re
00:46:15
underwrite and try to challenge my biases there are so many examples that have happened to Trump that when you
00:46:21
actually unpack them there was a concerted effort to lie and that is why it's important for folks
00:46:29
to be able to suspend that judgment the second thing I would say is then you saw
00:46:36
four years of the man in office and if you actually separate the interpretation by the media
00:46:45
who frankly just hate him with what he actually did you take a step back and you're like man these accomplishments
00:46:52
were incredible for example let's look at what happened with the Abra hemicords we have never been closer to substantial
00:47:01
and sustained peace in the Middle East in any era of government under any president than we were when Jared
00:47:09
Kushner on behalf of Donald Trump negotiated those agreements and look how far we have slipped since
00:47:16
then and all of that happened as a result of the incoming government wanting to undo what was so logically right in in
00:47:27
the first place and part of that was to feed a media cycle so again I just go back to
00:47:32
David all of these normal people and I know a lot of them as well speak to them yeah like I mean yeah you guys need to
00:47:39
just take a step back and take a beat and just think about something for a second how do so many normal high
00:47:47
functioning well-intended people switch sides how did that happen now jcal let me ask you the flip side of the coin you
00:47:55
have expressed publicly recently even on a podcast yesterday with Sachs in vigorous debate on the show many times
00:48:04
reservations about Trump and the character of trump yeah how do you feel you obviously align with the policies
00:48:12
that he's highlighted and indicated you you've said so absolutely yeah do you see past the person or do you still have
00:48:17
a a strong degree of reservation about the individual and do you see that playing out in your cohort friends
00:48:23
family what have you that there's strong reservation because of the character yeah it's a great question you know I
00:48:30
think the thing we have to do now is come together as a country he's the president it's great that it was not a
00:48:36
debatable election and we're not going to have riots at the capital and people beating up police officers and now it's
00:48:43
time to actually look at what Trump said and then we will grade him on what he actually gets done and and you know if
00:48:50
he is able to hang out with the cohort of Elon and chamath and Sachs and JD Vance I feel a lot better about it now
00:49:01
there's a lot of people speculating he will turn on shth he will turn on Sachs he will turn on Elon and that
00:49:08
relationship will end in the next year or two that's what I'm looking at Will trump actually do the things he says
00:49:14
he's going to do and what did he say he was going to do well he's not going to have a National Abortion man he's not
00:49:20
going to have kick people out who get college degrees here remember he said on the show he's going to staple the green
00:49:25
guard to it and but then there's other and he said he's going to end the Ukraine the war in Ukraine on day one so
00:49:33
let's make a list of all the things he promised and like anybody else let's judge him based on what he gets done now
00:49:40
some of the things he promised like the mass deportation of 15 million people I think a lot of people even on this
00:49:46
podcast probably don't agree with I don't think anybody here wants to see 15 million people who came here to have a
00:49:53
better life and who are working hard and who are productive m MERS of our society
00:49:58
literally get dragged out of here the the 500,000 that are criminals or a million sure nobody wants to see them uh
00:50:05
get a free pass here but you know there's going to be some of the items on his agenda that are going to be very
00:50:11
uncomfortable to see executed and some of them would be amazing and miracles if he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine
00:50:18
war is settled fantastic if he starts dragging a million people every you know two or three months out
00:50:26
of the country that could be absolutely disastrous and incredibly hard to watch happen in America so we got a judgment
00:50:34
based on his actions that's great let's give him the support he needs and I really hope you know the thing that
00:50:39
gives me hope is the fact that saak chamath Elon and JD Vance are by his side so I'm goingon to move on to the
00:50:46
rest of the election the other races so so the presidency we've talked about let's talk about the house and the
00:50:52
Senate sacks in the house there's 37 races that have yet to be called but it looks like the Republicans need about 12
00:51:01
more to be called to have a majority it seems very likely I mean ACC according to poly Market it's 99% that the
00:51:08
Republicans will have the majority in the house the Republicans have control of the Senate and Trump is in the White
00:51:14
House what are the top policy items that the Republicans will pursue with this degree of legislative and executive
00:51:24
control what's number 1 two3 on the list what's top priority and how are they kind of getting together to figure out
00:51:31
what and how to execute those items in the in the weeks and months after January
00:51:37
20th well so first of all I think the Senate majority matters a lot in terms of trump getting the appointments that
00:51:42
he wants because if he was just at 51 let's call it it would be quite hard Susan Collins and Lisa marowski tend to
00:51:53
be very very moderate uh Republicans and would oppose I think a lot of conservative appointments Trump's
00:52:00
already at 53 senators and there's two more that are still up for grabs and waiting to be counted so he might get to
00:52:07
54 in the next week or so it just means he's going to have a Freer range on appointments I think that'd be really
00:52:12
good for for uh Bobby Kennedy I think it might be harder to get Bobby Kennedy confirmed for a major cabinet post with
00:52:20
51 with 53 54 I think we get there I think that's a really great thing for the country there's other appointment
00:52:26
appointments in a similar vein that I think it be easier for for Trump to get through in terms of the rest of the
00:52:32
agenda I mean Trump clearly does want to end the war in Ukraine is he going to be
00:52:36
able to do it on day one no I mean I don't think that's realistic because frankly the ukrainians are not willing
00:52:43
to make the concessions yet they're not in a place where they're willing to make
00:52:46
a deal I still think that what Trump was saying during the campaign if you look at it as expression of his motivations
00:52:53
and where his sentiments are coming from they were good sentiment but if he can't
00:52:57
solve it on day one because the ukrainians don't want to make a deal I can't really fault him for that but I
00:53:01
think he'll try I think that on Doge there's clearly a strong desire of many in the Republican party and Elon and the
00:53:11
people that Elon brought with him for major government reform much more efficiency much less spending I think
00:53:18
that we have to get as much of that past as possible in the first certainly the first year there's a necessity for
00:53:24
legislative action to get all the cuts in federal spending that they're looking to cut is that right Sach so if if
00:53:31
elon's objective is cut trilon there might be some things you can just do through executive orders and they should
00:53:36
do as much as they can but I think you do need some congressional action as well this is an area where it's just
00:53:41
going to be really hard because spending is a bipar and problem and it's going to
00:53:46
be really hard to jam through the type of deep reform that we really should have at the federal level but I think
00:53:55
that now there's a shock because Trump does have majorities in the House and Senate that he can at least get
00:54:01
something through so at least we have a shot of getting something done there are
00:54:04
we going to get two trillion in Cuts Like Elon wants I would love that I doubt you're going to be able to pass
00:54:10
that through Congress but do you start with that number and then work your way down to a number that you can get both
00:54:16
parties to support maybe that's possible hopefully I would have started I would have started with three
00:54:21
then but I mean that's just my that's just my tactic but whatever but I think reforming the bureau is just such a huge
00:54:28
theme coming out of this election and we just have to figure out how to get that
00:54:32
done got the Mandate we have the Mandate that's Trump's mandate and the the federal government is such a large
00:54:39
sprawling it is the largest organization on earth except for maybe the CCP and in
00:54:44
that sense you really have to have leverage in leadership to be able to realize that degree of action at that
00:54:51
scale so the cabinet positions matter a lot to realize that agenda is that is that fair to say chth and you know maybe
00:54:58
we can talk a little bit about who are the the folks in the orbit of Donald Trump and the transition team that are
00:55:06
being considered for different cabinet posts and you know as an adviser or as a let's call you a theoretical adviser uh
00:55:13
to the transition team what are the kind of key posts that matter to you how would you kind of
00:55:18
advise them who to look for that could really realize the outcome that the Mandate is dictating well I I have no
00:55:26
influence on this process so I'm just totally spitballing but right people who I think
00:55:32
are who I think are excellent I'm going to put Bobby Kennedy right at the top of
00:55:36
the list I think that Bobby has an opportunity to allow the transparency of information that will allow folks to
00:55:47
keep doing what we've done or to change course in a way that right now I think is a little bit more difficult than it
00:55:55
needs to be I think Vive ramaswami is indefatigable I think he's a you know if you remember back to the
00:56:05
Republican primaries there was only one person that did not attack Donald Trump and it was viic I think he um believed
00:56:12
in what Donald Trump was doing and was willing to sort of embrace and extend this idea so I think he'd be a really
00:56:18
good proxy I don't know what role that looks like but I just think that he would be exing there's some rumors that
00:56:25
he's going to run for governor Ohio but he'd be amazing in the federal government tulsy gabard we got to get
00:56:30
there yeah yeah I just just to go through the list I think tulsy gabard is so awesome for what role what would you
00:56:37
put her in you know the rumor is is Veteran Affairs yeah Veteran Affairs but you know hopefully it's at least that
00:56:45
yeah that's a cabinet position right just for those who you know there's another race that's going on that's
00:56:49
really below the surface but is extremely important and that is the new Senate Majority Leader MIT Mitch
00:56:55
McConnell says he stepping aside there's two major C th versus Mike Lee yeah well
00:57:00
it's it's John th versus Corin from Texas and Mike Lee has been sort of agitating it's not clear that Mike Lee
00:57:07
will throw his hat in the ring if he did I would be all in favor of it if Mike Lee who is from Utah doesn't we should
00:57:14
really go with whoever he recommends I really trust that Mike Lee will represent the Maga agenda whereas quite
00:57:21
frankly the other candidates will be a continuation of Mitch and this Trump's moment to weigh in on that he's basking
00:57:29
in the glow right now he is in the winter Circle he can get anything through the Republican caucus and I
00:57:38
think that he could weigh in right now in the Senate majority race and make sure the right person gets it if you get
00:57:44
a continuation of Mitch McConnell you will not get real reform through the Senate look at what happened during
00:57:49
Trump one Mitch McConnell was one of Trump's biggest opponents so there would be Alternatives but I think Trump would
00:57:56
have to step in and act there's some talk about Rick Scot from Florida being a candidate I think he'd be very good if
00:58:01
he's still in the race or just go right over the top and go with a Mike Lee this
00:58:06
is your moment to basically put in a loyalist and then the big cabinet positions that are left I think defense
00:58:13
probably somebody like Rick grenell who's already worked for Trump and was the dni right at the end I
00:58:20
think and then in treasury it's you know I think people say it's between scottt bessent and
00:58:28
John Paulson I'm not so sure I don't know fed Governor I think it's like probably
00:58:33
hasal but then you know I saw like you saw Jerome pal Jerome pal this morning said he would not step aside if asked to
00:58:39
resign by Donald Trump no he's got two more years so he's got until 26 he's got until mid 26 so you know I mean the
00:58:45
rumor I don't want to say too much but I think this is pretty much out there I think reyell wants State not defense I
00:58:50
think that it's not to say he's going to get it I don't know but that's been out
00:58:54
there for a long time I I think that what a lot of people in let's call it the Maga movement the America first
00:59:00
movement are going to be looking at very closely is do neocons worm their way into this Administration look at what
00:59:09
happened during Trump one he ran in opposition to Forever Wars I think was a major part of his appeal it's what
00:59:15
allowed him to shatter the bush Dynasty it's what I think really hurt kamla in terms of having the Chinese Embrace her
00:59:22
so it's a major part of his I'd say not just appeal but also his legacy that he will not continue forever Wars but the
00:59:29
problem is that the blob keeps infiltrating the Trump Administration or they did they infiltrated Trump one by
00:59:37
putting in John Bolton and esper and all these guys who frankly betrayed Trump totally so I think a lot of people are
00:59:43
looking closely at will neocons be able to worm their way into this Administration and if they do it's a
00:59:49
very it would be very very sad I think the difference this time around which is so incredible is that you're now seeing
00:59:56
on X people asking all the neocons to be named and shamed and they're creating these lists so that they can't worm
01:00:03
their way in it's the most incredible thing I've ever seen where have you espoused those views in the past if so
01:00:10
the likelihood that somebody will raise an alarm Bell now on the so that you can't get near this
01:00:18
Administration I've never seen anything like that before actually yeah and you know what here's the great danger is you
01:00:23
look at the last few months okay who was there for trump it was people like Elon
01:00:28
it was basically you know all of us who worked and look I'm a very minor minor figure but I did my little part and
01:00:35
there were a lot of other people on the ground doing their thing but where is Elon today Elon had to fly home for a
01:00:41
Tesla board meeting he's got real companies to run and who all of a sudden shows up in maral Lago the swamp
01:00:46
creatures they were nowhere to be found for the last three months now the swamp creatures come crawling out and they're
01:00:52
going to be swarming Mara Lago and trying to worm their way into the administration and that's that's the the
01:00:57
issue is we got to keep you know this is where I I hope that all the the Maga influencers Stay Frosty and stay
01:01:05
involved we have to consolidate this Victory and get reform type people in the administration not just the usual
01:01:13
type people from Washington would you serve if asked no I mean look I I've already said before I'm the key manic
01:01:19
craft I can't do that but you know look I would do something part-time meaning if it wasn't a full-time job if I didn't
01:01:25
have to leave my current job if it was just serving on some advisory committee or something that that was compatible
01:01:31
with my current job I would do that that's a no-brainer I would love absolutely if not full-time because I'm
01:01:37
running a company but yeah if there was the opportunity to help basically just put me on the Doge committee sacks if
01:01:43
you wouldn't mind I just want to go like line item by line item in one afternoon
01:01:47
and I'm out of there like I'm just gonna go did say this today but he said The A
01:01:51
Team are running companies we're all we're all running companies but if asked to serve especially in a part-time
01:01:59
capacity where you don't have to divest everything you own and you can actually just go and call and actually
01:02:04
just make sure good decisions get made it would be an honor to serve in that capacity yeah I think everybody should
01:02:10
have given a chance I want to say one thing just to build on yeah and then I want to ask you one more question sham
01:02:15
go ahead I do want to give a shout out to Elon and in one very specific way you know you've heard
01:02:22
all these stories where he gets obsessed about something and then he focuses on it at the sake of
01:02:30
everything else and strips it down and gets to First principles rebuilds it back up and it
01:02:37
works and as far as I can tell basically when he decided that this election was going to come down to
01:02:46
Pennsylvania on one hand and young men on the other he just kept doing that one thing
01:02:57
over and over and over again every time you turned on X he was doing a rally crazy he was speaking to the residents
01:03:07
of Pennsylvania and spent like two weeks there young disaffected voters and getting them out and then his pack built
01:03:16
an infrastructure that rivaled the Democratic infrastructure in terms of get out the vote and
01:03:22
transation with a lot less money and only a month or two is is incredible well and then the sweet Stakes was also
01:03:32
inred it's really really incred there was a lot of controversy around the sweepstakes idea I don't know why that
01:03:37
was so controversial because if you think about that was the media trying to make an issue that was a nothing Burger
01:03:43
a burger yeah and so they you know I think this is where it was dismissed on its face because if any person spent
01:03:49
eight seconds understanding the law the the the judge dismissed it within an hour so you know if we look at that
01:03:55
million sweep Stakes to sign up for his pack if you think about how people normally uh
01:04:01
get people to sign up they're paying a dollar a click probably $50 a click whatever it is using giving money to ABC
01:04:08
or giving money to Facebook and he just said hey I'll just do a sweep stake sign
01:04:11
up for this and then I have you in the database and then I can Market it to you there's no difference between giving
01:04:17
away a million dollar sweep Stakes or buying a bunch of ads and paying by click and for everybody to frame that as
01:04:23
he's buying votes when it was so clear he wasn't I think that's the kind of media
01:04:28
manipulation people are getting Savvy to and does not work anymore it was very clear it was just a sweep Stakes to sign
01:04:33
up for his pack no different than paying $10 a click to Facebook when the legal infrastructure of America dismisses a
01:04:40
case on its face within 60 Minutes of it being heard it means it is a farce yeah
01:04:46
I mean look I think what Elon showed is that a smart person can come in who who basically like you said can go into
01:04:54
demon mode with how a startup or innovation mentality is willing to spend money but wants to do it smartly but is
01:05:00
really hardcore can come in and beat the supposed professionals their own game I
01:05:05
think one of the big stories that's going to come out there's already some tea being spilt within Democratic
01:05:11
circles about Jen Ali Dylan who was the campaign manager that kamla Harris inherited from Biden she had a billion
01:05:19
dollars to spend billion doll the campaign still ended $20 million in debt in debt and this at least has been
01:05:26
reported Mone go so well I'll tell you the money went to expensive Consultants they did overly elaborate staged events
01:05:33
they did these like fake concerts celebrity cameos supposedly they paid Beyonce $10 million and they didn't even
01:05:39
get a song out of it and that ended up you know pissing off she got paid they were paying I don't know if that's true
01:05:44
I just read it in a tweet so I I can't say for sure but that's what I read yeah who knows it sounds it sounds suspect
01:05:50
but the point is they spent a lot of money on the consultants and you know the events and Elon went after the Amish
01:05:59
you know that's like a lot smarter the person on the Democratic side where I feel the most disappointment after all
01:06:06
of this is Barack Obama I think he in the period when he was elected to me was just
01:06:16
Transcendent and I thought that this is a person that really was immune to getting assimilated
01:06:25
into the B and I don't know why I thought that but I did think that and I was just so saddened to see the tone and
01:06:35
the rhetoric from Barack Obama during this last home stretch it I think was reputationally very damaging to him what
01:06:43
did you say that offended you it was less about it didn't offend me it was just observing or disappointed you the
01:06:50
when the rhetoric was you know trying to propagate these lies the very fine people hoax all these things I just
01:06:56
thought he's so much smarter than the abortion ban the abortion ban he knows that these things are not true why is he
01:07:03
saying objective lies I don't really judge politicians for doing it in general but I never considered him a
01:07:11
politician I sort of considered him here just like this Echelon above and I and I was I was really
01:07:17
disappointed that he chose to go down that path yeah well I I I could definitely add to that I mean look I
01:07:22
think o Obama's whole Mystique was that he transcended into politics and he tried to maintain that position of being
01:07:29
above the fry and Let The Grubby business of politics be beneath him and even during the whole coup against Biden
01:07:36
I mean they say that Obama signed off he was basically in favor of the the switcheroo to Harris but he was the last
01:07:43
person to endorse it right he did not want to be seen as doing the dirty work that was left to Nancy Pelosi but
01:07:48
there's no question that the switcheroo I think was was backed by Obama and then
01:07:54
he did everything he could to prop of Harris including using the very fine people hoax telling these lies and I I
01:08:00
agree chamath I think that he has diminished himself he's brought himself now down to the level of politics down
01:08:06
to the level of a average politician right I think probably you're disappointed because you had such a high
01:08:11
Benchmark for him but we were just talking about Trump saying he would end the war on day one he said that he's
01:08:18
going to deport 15 million people and you know all these politicians lie so I think my closing statement on all of
01:08:26
this is y'all were a key part in putting Trump in obviously and if he starts behaving in the way he behaved during
01:08:35
his first term the darker things he did I hope that y'all will call him on it and publicly call him on it and that he
01:08:42
will steer towards you know his better angels and that's my hope for America and my hope for all of you who helped
01:08:48
put him in office and played a very significant role in getting him here when he does something crazy if he does
01:08:54
try to drag 15 million people out the the country is that okay with you sex well you said that he would start with a
01:08:59
million of people 500,000 to a million who are clear criminals he should do that what JD said and we all agree yeah
01:09:05
JD said that the way you about the other 14 he said that the way that you do deportations is the same way you eat an
01:09:11
elephant you do it one bite at a time eat a sandwich so the way you eat an elephant is you do one bite at a time
01:09:17
let's start with the biggest criminals the biggest people who shouldn't be here and then let's see what happens after
01:09:21
that and look if he went 14 million what would you you be in support of that I we
01:09:27
haven't gotten there yet the point is you take the first bite of the sandwich then you talk about the second bite but
01:09:31
there was a line from the 2016 election about Trump that I think was attributed to Peter teal which is very important
01:09:36
which is that Trump should be taken seriously but not literally sometimes when he expresses a
01:09:42
policy or a point of view he sells it so when he says I'm going to end the Ukraine war on day one does that mean
01:09:49
he's literally going to do it on day one no what it means is he's going to try really hard to end the Ukraine war if he
01:09:54
does it on day 365 of his presidency instead of day one I'm not going to come out and say he lied he didn't do what he
01:10:01
said no I'm going to say he got the job done he did what he said he was going to
01:10:04
do so I think it's very important to judge him in that way when he says I'm going to deport 15 million people do I
01:10:10
expect him to do all 15 million not necessarily but if he closes the Border builds the wall seals it so it's no
01:10:17
longer a problem and deports 500,000 to a million hardcore criminals out of this
01:10:21
country I'm going to say that was a massive success and you know what's going to happen Legacy me is going say
01:10:26
well he lied because he didn't Deport the other 14.2 million come on let understand let's understand the
01:10:32
difference between camping and governing I agree with all that and I do think if
01:10:38
he does try to do the 14 million that's the thing I have concerns about got it okay freeberg over to you so let's talk
01:10:43
about the cabinet positions chamath a guy like RFK Jr has never held an executive position before you and others
01:10:50
on this panel saaks J myself we''ve all kind of managed large groups of people we've all been in positions of being a
01:10:57
CEO of a business you talk a lot about bringing in The Outsiders and the Trump campaign talks a lot about bringing
01:11:02
these Outsiders sexs begrudgingly highlights the swamp creatures emerging to ask for those slots and those
01:11:08
positions because they are lifelong politicians and bureaucrats how do we have trust and faith or do you think
01:11:15
that that's the whole point is that you have folks that don't have the experience to run these organizations
01:11:20
that don't have the insights on who actually works there on how they operate and them coming in is going to provide
01:11:25
enough of a fresh perspective and things up enough that that's exactly the point
01:11:30
and like talk a little bit about bringing in Outsiders but Outsiders that can be effective in transforming these
01:11:35
government agencies not just blowing them up or is the goal to blow them up no again I would I would just temper
01:11:43
and tone down that rhetoric there's not nobody's blowing up anything but I think
01:11:47
step one is going to be a level of transparency so that doing the obvious becomes obvious and I think that if you
01:11:55
look back over 40 or 50 years what has happened is that secretaries and political appointments have gone from
01:12:03
get the best person in the job because they know it to here's political Peola if you will and I think the pendulum has
01:12:10
swung to two far of an extreme that's why the Swamp People are able to maintain control because the person
01:12:17
above them who's appointed doesn't fundamentally know the inner workings of the organization I suspect what you're going
01:12:23
to see is a radical push to transparency and I think that when you combine transparency and SX called for
01:12:29
this a version of the Twitter files for the government I do think you're going to see that but if you combine that push
01:12:36
to transparency with a handful of topics you know by the way we introduced a long
01:12:41
time ago this idea of zerob based budgeting into the Lexicon and language of these political candidates that they
01:12:46
used all the way through to the Finish Line I do believe the Republicans earnestly mean it and so I think when
01:12:53
you put these two things together freeberg I think what you will have is all of this laid be and then I think
01:13:01
it'll start a debate on what to do and I think the the decisions about what to do
01:13:06
will be so blindingly obvious the lwh hanging fruit will save this country once we pluck it can can I say a word
01:13:14
about I I think it's so important for Bobby Kennedy to be confirmed in whatever c a position that he's going to
01:13:20
get number one you know we look back the campaign now and it seems obvious that Trump was going to win it but at the
01:13:26
time that Bobby Kennedy came on board that was a major factor in shifting momentum towards Trump so that's number
01:13:34
one number two we need to keep Bobby Kennedy's Coalition as part of our movement it's not just about what he did
01:13:41
in this last election it's keeping all of those people those young people and those former Democrats on side and part
01:13:48
of the Republican Party in the Maga movement and number three he's genuinely going to reform that huge part of the
01:13:54
bureaucracy and that's extremely important we need Outsiders to come in and shake things up
01:13:59
he's right about the regulatory capture he's right about the marriage of state power and corporate greed let's have
01:14:06
someone go in there who's got fresh eyes but also understands how the bureaucracy
01:14:10
works because he's litigated and shake things up if you look at what Bobby posted to Instagram Nick I don't know if
01:14:16
you can find it but it was pretty telling on this dimension of the first inning is going to be about
01:14:24
absolute radical transparency and sharing with the American people everything that's been that's been under
01:14:29
the covers by the way it's not just on that Dimension right we're going to see the Epstein files we're going to see the
01:14:36
Diddy lists we're going to see the JFK file I know that these things are sort of Fringe conspiracy theory type things
01:14:42
for some people but the point is from Pillar To Post that first phase of this radical truth seeking
01:14:50
transparency is an incredible disinfectant that you can build from and he told the FDA I think something to the
01:14:56
effect of pack your bags and keep your records now let's let's take the hyperbolic part of it out but it's the
01:15:03
keep your records part that should be valuable because we deserve to have answers now when you think at the same
01:15:10
time that you have inventions like AI that can crunch every single piece of data Under the Sun and tell you the
01:15:16
absolute truth imagine when you put transparency and the government sharing incredible amounts of information with
01:15:24
the compute power that the Googles and the Facebooks and the and the open a eyes of the world are creating you'll
01:15:30
know these answers to all of these questions vaccines are they good or bad when how fluoride is it good or bad when
01:15:37
how all of these drugs that have been approved why all of these drugs that have not been approved why you're going
01:15:43
to start to see some really interesting things has there been research on the impacts of food on physiology were they
01:15:49
suppressed were they not suppressed so I think phase one is get it all out into the open totally and and what I what I
01:15:58
said just what what shth referred to is yeah I said we should do Twitter files for the whole federal government just
01:16:04
what I meant by that is remember before Elon bought Twitter they told us for years that the idea that Twitter was
01:16:12
shadowbanning conservatives and engaging in censorship was a conspiracy theory then Elon opened up the Twitter files
01:16:18
and we saw that it was all true and moreover that the government was engaged in censorship they been working hand in
01:16:26
glove with the trust and safety department the FBI had logins they could just go in themselves I me crazy the FBI
01:16:31
had their own tool called teleport which would allow them to transmit secret instructions to the trust and safety
01:16:37
team at Twitter and they were censoring based on those instructions that's completely unacceptable Twitter
01:16:42
management lied about it the government lied about it we only found out through the Twitter files let's do a Twitter
01:16:47
files for the federal government what do you think we're going to find out what do you think we' find out about covid
01:16:53
what do you think really happened there if Bobby Kennedy can do that the lies they told us incompleteness of the
01:16:59
actual clinical validation studies the authorizations and the waivers that were secured how good or how brittle or how
01:17:07
fragile was that data by the way I think what we what it'll also do freeberg is if if it looks like this data is
01:17:14
actually of extreme high quality you know what that does it reestablishes trust in that institution which is also
01:17:20
a win so this whole thing is a win-win well and well let's not forget the foil leader they were literally
01:17:29
being taught how to route around fou Team how to route around subpoenas and people looking for information I mean
01:17:37
there's a lot to uncover here I'm 100% here for it yeah so just to be clear there there's a there's a there's a law
01:17:43
in the United States called the Freedom of Information Act the Foya uh is kind of a common term and it gives the power
01:17:50
and authority to individual citizens and and third party agencies to have a check
01:17:55
and balance on the federal government that they can go in they can request actual data actual files and it is all
01:18:01
necessarily available to the public at any time except for classified information okay well the federal
01:18:08
government now over classifies everything we have something like what like a billion classified documents they
01:18:13
literally classify everything so through the foyer process thirdparty lawyers and
01:18:18
nonprofits have made requests to federal agencies to get access to this sort of information and I've done it I don't
01:18:24
know if you guys have ever use foyer powers for information from the federal government I had to do foyer requests 10
01:18:29
years ago to get weather data or 15 years ago for my startup climate it was the only way we were able to get access
01:18:35
to a bunch of weather data was through foyer requests and then we were able to use the that data in our services
01:18:39
because it is public data the taxpayers pay for it so we had a right to it similarly you can make foyer requests of
01:18:45
emails and uh inter agency Communications and so on but SX I think it seems and jcal to your point about
01:18:52
the foil lady there may over time have been some degree of Corruption of the foyer process in all of these agencies
01:18:59
which has made it more difficult for individuals and third parties to have the appropriate checks and balances on
01:19:04
the data in these agencies because of the way they've kind of officiated access slowed down the process sometimes
01:19:09
it takes months for them to respond to you and it's become quite difficult so the Foy the intention of the Freedom of
01:19:14
Information Act may have been hindered by by the bureaucracy this will not be through for let me make one other
01:19:20
suggestion is we need a massive declassification effort of the federal government maybe this is the way to
01:19:26
actually implement the Twitter files strategy is the problem is we have a massive over classification problem
01:19:33
billions of documents been classify at the federal government why because those bureaucracies know that they can kind of
01:19:39
do whatever they want and kind of work in peace without having to disclose what they're really doing if they just Mark
01:19:44
classified on a document someone needs to go through that and start massively declassifying and if they do that then
01:19:51
there'll be a lot more documents available to foyer requests so that right there would be a huge help and
01:19:56
then like you said the foyer process could be tightened up it could be a lot faster could be a lot easier and they
01:20:02
should not be able to circumvent it by doing the kind of stuff that Jal referred to during covid where they were
01:20:08
like deliberately misspelling words Aster in you know hacker speak in order to avoid this and they were also
01:20:16
told a bunch of people who are in three-letter agencies just by default put this at the highest level of
01:20:23
security not to be disass Declassified so they unnecessarily put everything in classified and so
01:20:32
now every email is marked at the highest level of classification which means there's no Discerning it and if you were
01:20:39
to blame an FBI agent if they told you hey just put everything on classified so it doesn't get out okay that seems like
01:20:45
a pretty good way to cover your ass and that's got to change yeah well a lot a lot to to come in the weeks ahead I'm
01:20:51
sure we will do more updates as the cabinet position you're a man of science I know you have
01:20:57
some differences with RFK do you want I have very deep trepidation about RFK having oversight I think the authority
01:21:05
might be limited with respect to the legislative Authority that's vested by the Congress which is the the one piece
01:21:12
I I look I mean as you guys know there's a lot that RFK brings up that I very that that resonates with me I I'm not a
01:21:18
black and white guy so there are things that he says that make a lot of sense there are things I've pointed out
01:21:23
particularly around microplastic in the environment particular around chemistry that we use in our food and our systems
01:21:28
of food and production and I I believe very strongly that we have real issues that have you know compounding effects
01:21:35
on our health so let let me not be be too flippant about that I am not a all vaccines are always good all the time
01:21:42
person I think that every one of them needs to be studied on the merits and the risks I think fluoride is is an
01:21:46
interesting conversation to have what are the merits what are the risks and why is it a federal why is there Federal
01:21:52
authority over fluide and water which by the way there isn't it's it's all local
01:21:55
municipalities get to decide on a nuanced basis then net net where do you wind up freeberg net net where do you
01:22:01
wind up I will say that there are a number of things that RFK have said that that caused me a lot of trouble that
01:22:05
that I'm very troubled by because I think that he has said things that are factually wrong and I want him to be
01:22:10
open to debate and open to review of objective truth and that's it and that's it and as long as do you like him as a
01:22:19
disinfectant as a rabble Rouser as to shake up the system or netn net do you think it's too risky to let him in
01:22:24
generally I think all these systems should be challenged 100% okay so you want to send him in you say you want him
01:22:30
to be open to debate I I personally have never seen a candidate for office who's
01:22:34
been more open to discourse debate interviews than Bobby Kennedy's done everything he's been on this show twice
01:22:40
classifying him otherwise I'm not classifying otherwise you know who is not open to debate and discourse and
01:22:45
transparency is a bureaucracy that's the problem if you want government reform you have to get into the bureaucracy you
01:22:52
need Outsiders to come in you need make it transparent you got to declassify that's what you got to do one
01:22:59
of the most important aspects of science not the the recently Legacy Media or jokingly definition of quotequote
01:23:06
science but science is meant to be a process of skepticism interrogation and the search for objective truth which
01:23:12
means that you should be constantly questioning whether you are right or wrong and I do think that that is a
01:23:18
necessary part of the process of science science is not meant to be a dictatorial
01:23:22
regime and so I think that setting the framework for how we operate some of the agencies and authorities that are
01:23:30
supposed to be rooted in science to have the necessary process of skepticism review and transparency into that I
01:23:38
think will re reassert faith and reassert trust by the public in how these agencies are operating and I hope
01:23:44
that that happens I I really do because I do think that there are very good people in all these agencies who do very
01:23:49
good work and there's a lot of very important advances that have come out of the United States of America and have
01:23:54
have gone through processes through the federal government that have actually done really great things for Americans
01:23:59
and for Humanity and so I don't want us to dismiss things as being Whimsical bureaucracies that that don't have any
01:24:04
rooting in science but I do think that it's important to have this degree of skepticism and process and have
01:24:08
transparency so that's all well I'd like you to show me in the Constitution where the bureaucracy or
01:24:16
the administrative state is a branch of the government I see in the Constitution
01:24:20
that we are supposed to be ruled by an executive branch a islative branch and a judicial branch I do not see hold on I
01:24:27
do not see an administrative branch that has sprung into into existence over the
01:24:32
last several decades yep and it rules us there's roughly three million people who
01:24:37
work for the federal government of those the president basically appoints 3,000 and it takes forever to get them through
01:24:43
yeah so we have roughly three million people who don't report to anyone nominally they're supposed to report to
01:24:49
the executive branch but the president can't fire him we talked about in the previous show if Elon had gone into
01:24:55
Twitter and he hadn't been allowed to fire anyone do you think he could have restored free speech to Twitter of
01:25:01
course not they just would have kept doing whatever they wanted to do and that is the big problem in the federal
01:25:05
government right now is we are ruled by a fourth branch of government that is not in the Constitution that doesn't
01:25:11
report to anybody it is not subject to elections we can't vote them out and we can't fire them and they have been in
01:25:18
the Forefront of trying to stop Trump and the larger Reform movement that he represents ever since Trump got elected
01:25:25
in 2016 remember it was members of the administrative State specifically the security State who said don't worry
01:25:31
we're going to be the insurance policy against Trump and they have done everything possible through the rushia
01:25:37
gate hoax through laare through yeah the whole steel dosier hoax to basically try
01:25:42
and stop Trump and the reform movement that he represents and the big question of Trump's second term will be whether
01:25:48
he can finally subdue this bureaucracy and bring it under Democratic control under the control the executive branch
01:25:55
as the American people want and as I think the Constitution intended right now we are run by an unelected branch of
01:26:01
government that has to stop and what Trump represents is not dictatorship but democracy the Triumph of democracy over
01:26:08
this bureaucracy and a and a big a big important moment for for this movement this
01:26:16
return to the fundamentals of what was vested in the constitution is the Chevon Doctrine case
01:26:23
at the Supreme Court earlier this year It reversed the Authority for agencies to create their own rules and
01:26:30
regulations that they can then enforce on private Enterprise and if that case carries through and is allowed to be
01:26:37
used to support the efforts to deregulate or to De agency what you call kind of the bureaucracy I think it
01:26:45
enables a lot of the change that that folks are looking for why should for example some commission be sprung out of
01:26:53
you know some assembly being being created and then that commission gets to create their own rules and their own
01:26:57
regulations that effectively are law that prevent private citizens and Enterprises from being able to operate
01:27:03
and make decisions and I think that was a very important moment for this movement was the the Supreme Court case
01:27:09
on the Chevon Doctrine earlier year I don't know if you agree with me on this seems totally agree I think that was an
01:27:13
absolute precursor which is it it was insane I mean again you had a Supreme Court
01:27:19
ruling that effectively made the administrative State the highest law in the land even though there's no
01:27:24
constitutional basis for it so yeah repealing Chevron was definitely half of it and I think the other half of it is
01:27:29
going to be whether lawmakers have to pass laws you can't have individual commissions pass laws that's that's the
01:27:35
whole point we need bills passed by the Republican Congress that Trump can sign but we also need I think cabinet level
01:27:43
appointments who will start to subdue the bureaucracy bring them under control find out what they're doing just give us
01:27:49
transparency around what they're doing Twitter file this thing so then we can reform
01:27:54
I think that we're going to look back on this era and I think it's going to last
01:27:58
about 20 years or so at least which I call a return to originalism we are returning to the
01:28:07
founding principles of this startup called America and I think it's incredible I think saak is right there
01:28:14
is this unbelievable living document that created this incredible experiment we veered way far away from
01:28:22
it it's taken us a lot of courage to get back to that place where now you can actually let
01:28:32
that guiding document govern a highly meritocratic country so it's going to be a lot of hard work but my gosh it's just
01:28:40
an incredible moment and opportunity everybody should just take a breath and remember that I just like to do a quick
01:28:48
survey of some of the local and state elections and and get some reactions I was going to try and talk a little bit
01:28:53
about what's going on in San fr Frisco in California I'll just hit on it our friend my friend Daniel lur was it looks
01:28:59
like he's going to be the mayor of San Francisco beating out the incumbent mayor London breed
01:29:05
Daniel ran on a moderate platform and has an intention of fixing a lot of the operations and inefficiencies in the San
01:29:15
Francisco government which has seen a ballooning in budget San Francisco has the highest budget per capita of any
01:29:20
city in the United States I think 50% higher than New York with a lower functioning kind of set of Municipal
01:29:26
services and there's a lot of opportunity for improvement there this is the first time really important stat
01:29:32
first time an outsider has been elected mayor in San Francisco since 1911 every mayor elected since 1911 in San
01:29:39
Francisco was an existing government employee or government civil servant so just like what we saw in the federal
01:29:47
elections we are seeing an outsider being placed inal office in S I wish I wish I wish Lorie Hardy congrat rations
01:29:54
Nick can you show him the Tweet your city has become a dangerous dirty dumpster fire for bad ideas from
01:30:00
Libs I hope you do the obvious and be on the side of cops Justice clean streets and meritocracy that's your message to
01:30:05
the incoming well yeah I mean he is has been a major proponent you were going to
01:30:12
run for mayor one once J I was lobbied I was approached and I was given uh a a lot of support uh seven figures of
01:30:21
support to go do it it's a very hard job because the supervisors uh actually run the city and
01:30:28
a lot of the supervisors uh like they got booted too no couple of them got booted Dean Preston got booted dopy Dean
01:30:37
andp Dean that was big so the the Board of Supervisors has also shifted moderate
01:30:42
the mayor is now going to be a moderate Outsider and there's a real opportunity to rebuild and reform San Francisco it's
01:30:48
a place that I've called home for 25 years it's a place where I operate my business and it feels like a lot of the
01:30:54
citizens what hasic I still live there hold on I still I still live there and I do think that
01:31:01
it was a big election in terms of improving things in San Francisco so congrats to Daniel lur he's a friend of
01:31:06
mine as well you go down to La another big race we booted gasone who was the Soros da who ruined San Francisco and
01:31:15
then failed his way up to La was ruining LA and Nathan Hawkman who's uh you know
01:31:20
moderate beat him by something like 20 points and then like I me mentioned we got prop 36 passed in California by
01:31:27
about 70% which reverse from the excesses of Prop 47 which is the was the proposition a decade ago that was passed
01:31:35
by then lieutenant governor Gavin and then attorney general kamla Harris to de facto legalize shoplifting so the people
01:31:45
of California have had enough of these policies that frankly enable crime enable homelessness enable drug use and
01:31:53
they want a correction look even wokes and blue State liberals don't want their cars broken into I mean it's really
01:32:01
shocking it's really simple and I mean the crazy thing in Los Angeles with gasone was the a number of people who I
01:32:07
know live there now know people in Santa Monica in brenwood in belir where we lived for so many years Sachs have home
01:32:16
invasions have started again I mean that is like a real breaking point for it's scary to have your home broken into by a
01:32:23
gang right and and you know one one final point on this is that while the people of California resoundingly again
01:32:32
over 70% supported prop 36 there was one prominent figure who was opposed to it which was Gavin Newsome he said when he
01:32:39
saw early polling I don't know what state I'm living in so you know look the state we're living in Gavin is the one
01:32:46
that you created you're the one who gave us these policies you're the one who gave us Prop 47 you're the one who gave
01:32:50
us zero bail you're the one who allowed the the Democratic party in California to be taken over by Soros da you've
01:32:57
never resisted these policies now you have a choice you can see where the people are at over 70% of California
01:33:03
wants a change I'd say on the rest of the country if it's 70% California 90% of the United States must you know is
01:33:11
opposed to these soft on crime policies and if you ever have aspirations to be anything more than Governor California
01:33:17
you better get on the right side of this issue scks David scks should be the governor of California let's do it
01:33:24
no I'm I I am 100% serious it's the fifth largest economy in the world let's do it this is this is this
01:33:31
is marked today as the day that I have decided oh that I de has decided that I am going to convince David to be the
01:33:39
governor of California I know great campaign manager press secretary for him hype man I will say um I'm just gonna
01:33:46
say that David sock would be an incredible governor of Califor I really I'm not a candidate I'm not a c I
01:33:52
understand blah BL right now he's lying he said it to me privately there's no rumor I'm just telling you right now
01:33:59
that within two years I will have convinced him to do it it'll be the perfect time Gavin Newsome has been
01:34:04
terrible for the state we have seen trillions of dollars of market cap exit the state in terms of corporations that
01:34:11
have left we have gone from record surpluses to record deficits we have an education system that is failing
01:34:18
millions of kids what is going on here we have taxes that are through the the roof and when you spend more and more
01:34:27
and more to get less and less and less and it takes more and more out of everybody's
01:34:33
pocket what is the answer the answer is you have to fundamentally change everything that's happening from first
01:34:39
principles well I will say one more Point um about I will call it balance in the
01:34:46
force when uh a party is captured and moves too far in One Direction people leave the party and they vote for the
01:34:53
other party and then in order to attract people back to the party they tack to the center my
01:35:00
big prediction over the next few years as you will see a more Centrist Democratic party as they try and I'll
01:35:06
take the other side and they try and attract they're too I'll take the other side so one one more topic before we W
01:35:13
Sacramento SE sax and Sacramento not gonna happen not gonna guys before we WAP there's one other topic that came up
01:35:19
in every conversation I had with everyone about Trump that was a female was abortion and it was and and look I
01:35:26
don't want to rehash again that it was misrepresented what Trump's position is but abortion has become a very sensitive
01:35:32
topic a woman's right to do what she wants to do with her body when she wants to do it is something that that most
01:35:39
women feel they are very deeply endowed with and that should be an unalienable right particularly in the United States
01:35:45
of America and that even sending this back to States and States voting on it creates a significant emotional response
01:35:52
that drives folks to one party the other in Florida voters rejected an abortion extension to 24 weeks Florida previously
01:36:00
had a 15we abortion ban but the current six-week ban took effect in May so the amendment that was being proposed on the
01:36:07
ballot this week uh would have a cified abortion procedures up to 24 weeks in the state constitution but it needed 60%
01:36:14
of the votes to pass but it only got 57% so it looks like a loss for a pro-choice Advocates sax what is going
01:36:23
to happen now that these abortion laws are being voted on these amendments to state Constitutions are being voted on
01:36:29
how is this going to reshape American politics and how are the parties going to shift in the years ahead given how
01:36:35
important and how sensitive this this topic has has become after the decision of the Supreme Court recently look I I
01:36:42
think that what you're seeing in the last election that we just had is the beginning of the end of the salience of
01:36:49
this issue I mean abortion has been an issue that has deeply fragmented America for 50 years I mean the pro-choice
01:36:56
versus pro-life movements have been a staple of American politics talking past each other they were never able to get
01:37:02
to any sort of compromise with the appeal of roie Wade with the do's decision the issue has now been thrown
01:37:07
back to the States and every state is working it out for themselves and in Most states what's happening is it's
01:37:14
either the pro-choice totally wins or they compromise on some number of weeks I think that in Florida going for 24
01:37:20
weeks might have been a little bit too many if they had tried to go back to 15 you know they probably could have gotten
01:37:25
there they probably could have gotten from 57 to to 60 but that's what the debate's going to be about now is just
01:37:30
basically in red States it's just going to be agree about agreeing on a certain number of weeks Blue states are pretty
01:37:35
much going to be pro-choice and you can see that the federal level no one wants to touch this anymore J you raised the
01:37:41
point during the the election cycle during the campaign that dos would be crushing for Trump and that women were
01:37:47
going to turn out in droves for Harris on the base of this issue that simply did not happen if you look at voter
01:37:54
turnout Trump increased his share of the women's vote he did lose college educated women so that subset of you
01:38:01
could call it more Progressive yeah sorry College educ older women too I think came out yeah but if you look at
01:38:06
women as a whole he won more of their votes so how did Trump inoculate himself on this issue he made it really clear he
01:38:13
was not in favor of a national ban he said that he favored the exceptions and that it was now up to the states he
01:38:19
basically assured the country the women of the country that again that abortion would not be banned and that was now a
01:38:25
local issue and I think the voters of the country including women accepted that and it is now a state issue so so
01:38:32
Maryland Missouri I think it's gone Maryland Missouri Nevada Montana Colorado Arizona all voted to codify the
01:38:39
right to abortion and remove abortion bans on the other hand Nebraska voted for a ban on abortions after the first
01:38:45
trimester and South Dakota voted against a right to abortion so South Dakota prohibits all abortions except when
01:38:52
necessary to you're going to end up listen you're even in deep red States like Ohio the pro-choice forces have won
01:38:59
these referenda it's just a handful of cases like a very small number where the pro-life have gotten their their way
01:39:07
again I think we're at the tail end of this being a salian issue in American politics I think Trump has ended it as a
01:39:13
federal issue and it's now going state byst state and in most those States the pro-choice forces are winning I think
01:39:19
this issue is over and I think it's over because Republicans know not to touch this jcal you've said it's the it's one
01:39:25
of the most important issues of the day several times in the past you said women
01:39:29
were going to vote in droves for comma because of the perception that Trump was trying to pass a federal a lot of them
01:39:35
did clearly but not enough to swing the election and you know it's going to be you think it's gonna be to the question
01:39:42
is Sach right is this GNA stop being an issue and it's now codified in state law
01:39:47
and or is this going continue to be states where women will not be able to get an abortion sadly they will not be
01:39:53
able to make that decision for themselves that's my personal belief they should be able to make the decision
01:39:57
for themselves I'd like to stay out of it but sax is largely right that if you don't if I'm reading it correctly think
01:40:05
about it if you're a state and you ban abortion who's going to want to live there you're going to have a lot of
01:40:09
people leaving and that's been an issue here in Texas a lot of companies are having a hard time with not only getting
01:40:15
women to move here to work at specific companies in Texas but men are a well are not are citing it as a concern so
01:40:23
it's going to make it really untenable for an economy you're saying men don't want to work for Tesla or SpaceX because
01:40:30
of abortions I have heard many stories about people not wanting to come work at companies in Texas because of this law
01:40:38
yes I have heard that from employers I'm not talking about any of Von's companies
01:40:42
I don't speak for him obviously but this has been an issue for companies in Texas
01:40:48
okay guys this has been a fantastic followup to this week's election I know some people are bitterly disappointed
01:40:55
frustrated angry and sad about the future of America and others are deeply optimistic and excited and I think the
01:41:01
end of the day it's all gonna be okay and I really do hope that everyone can kind of have constructive conversations
01:41:08
about the future we'd all like to build together we do here and uh I really appreciate the friendship with you guys
01:41:15
I want to say congratulations to saak and chamath for putting yourselves out there as early as you did in campaigning
01:41:20
and promoting Donald Trump I think you guys had a very influential role in moving people for the effort you made
01:41:27
and the outcome congratulations more than listen I'll say what I said again he he's a good human being I would
01:41:34
encourage you to get to know him yeah just that hold him accountable look if he wants to invite me to Maro to have
01:41:41
a veggie burger and fries I'm there I will um I will hang out what no veggie burgers what are you talking about
01:41:47
before you go it's my bestg B veggie burgers fake Bobby to ban anything with I know remember all all of
01:41:58
your all that stuff is ver don't worry Bears on the menu vegans better learn to find natural sources of protein because
01:42:06
the unnatural sources the free market Republicans have decided it's time to go in and ban the market for fake meat
01:42:12
because my God we can't introduce fake meat we have to tell you what to eat what to do continues to disregulated
01:42:17
your physiology s stop using your moderator privileges to push your agenda free bur take care
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the fans and they've just gone crazy with it love you queen [Music] of Besties are that's my take it I your
01:42:55
driveway man oh man my habiter will meet me at we should all just get a room and
01:43:01
just have one big huge orgy cuz they're all this useless it's like this like sexual tension that they just need to
01:43:06
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