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[Applause] okay wait I'll just I'll just read off all of your companies Elon I know them
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but I'm just going to read them to make sure I don't miss one because there's so
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many now uh founder CEO chief engineer of SpaceX uh CEO product architect and chairman of Tesla uh owner chairman CTO
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of uh x uh x.com uh founder of boring company co-founder of neurolink and open Ai and president of the mus Foundation
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did I get everything let your Winner's ride and we open source it to the fans and they've just gone crazy
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[Music] with where are you me it is coming it's kind of absurd where are you at Star base
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um I'm in FL currently so this is this is a starlink and Flake connection are you kidding me that that's oh yeah that
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works pretty well huh I think there's only one wait I think it's one of of how stalling Works uh in an
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airplane at altitude there's only one of those in existence right it's on your plane that's it 101 there are a number
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of airliners that have stalling and there will be a lot more in the future Starling connection when you're assuming
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it's working properly is you would even be able to tell you you're on the ground
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or in the air um because unlike Jo satellit the latency is you know really be less than 20 millisecs so
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um it's a in fact for a lot I think for some people the Sonic connection on the plane will be better than their
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connection at their house that would be pretty great um H how is um the Starship doing it was incredible to
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see the first uh launch but I understand you're closing in on the second I know you've been working really hard on that
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and the team's working hard on it um when do you think you're going to get the next one up and um what are the
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chances it makes it to orbit uh well we have the second one stacked at Star base
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so it's ready to go um and uh we finished that up in the last week we believe we've we've completed
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the rain um I had an requested by the FAA so we should get our license hopefully soon um but really the only
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thing holding back second plan of Starship at this point is Right fire approval wow what's your
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expectation uh or your hope in terms of the probability that it gets to orbit it's just a question of timing yeah how
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long it does take to get the approval paperwork whatnot um so that's really up to the FAA at this point yeah but but
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what about making it to orbit do you think oh we are doing a new staging technique
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called hot staging uh where um you light the up the upstage engines or the ship engines while the um boost
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stage is still firing and um this is the kind of the most efficient way to do is
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stage separation of rocket going orbit um but we did not try that on the last mission and and we're trying on this
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Mission we think it will be overall better um but I think this I think probably have a
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I hope well over 50% chance of getting to Stage separation um and maybe at close to 50% chance of getting to Orit
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if the hot staging um the new separation method uh is it works so I'd say maybe it's like a you know above i' say
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probably above 30% chance of getting toor with the sign whereas previously I said below
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50 uh is this in terms of complexity how complex is this of a problem compared to the other problems
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you've worked on in your career uh well so I mean making a rocket that is more the twice the size of the
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SAT 5 um you know it's a in fact with an extra of the rocket it'll have roughly three times the thrust of a Saturn 5
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Moon rocket um whever it's signed to be fully rapidly reusable whereas the you know the SAT was completely Expendable
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and with baline we we still expand the upper stage uh but we we bring back the boo stage as people
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have probably seen the The Rocker liing videos and we are also able to recover the varant um with the with falc but
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these things do land toly out to sea so it takes a while to bring them back to board and get them ready for figh G the
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the thing that you know so so this's a scale of Starship but then also the fact that it is designed for full and R re
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usability so both the booster and the ship come back launch site they get caught by these giant meaz arms youve
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see in congress's Godzilla uh it's basically bad uh catches this giant rocket out of
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you know B air and puts it back on the launch stand and gets ready for launch so it will be capable of you know
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basically aircraft level flight rates um but but it's much bigger than say a 747
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or 8380 um you want can we um talk about the events of was it last weekend the whole Ukraine Starling thing can you
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give us like a the Tik Tok of like what's going on and like how you're being forced to
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decide but like what is it like in that decision room if there was one or wherever you were where you're trying to
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figure out am I keeping this on do I turn it off what is going on people must have been bombarding you whatever you
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can share about what that was like how you made the decision um yeah I I so I was actually mistaken a
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little bit in understanding the situation um you know obviously we St sex have provided uh starlink connectivity for
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you know to Ukraine um really since the beginning of the war uh really within a I think a few days of the war starting
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um and as the Ukrainian uh Governor said the S was instrumental in the FS of Ukraine so you know they've said that
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really many times although the media forgets to mention that um so and in fact they've said it on Twitter you X
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only know on his Twitter it's going to take a while to get that right yeah take a little time
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[Laughter] um so you know you don't have to you don't have to take my words for it you
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just read what what they put um you know uh so uh so son has been incredibly helpful
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to the Ukraine war eff um we' have gone out of pocket very significantly uh to help them um and
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um at at the time this happened the uh region around Crimea um was actually turned off now the reason it was turned
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off was actually originally was because United States had sanctions against Russia um and we're not allowed to
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actually and that includes Crimea and the sanctions and we're not allowed to actually turn on uh connectivity to
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sanction the country without explicit government approval um we did not have from the US government so
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um so so basically the uh uh you know Ukraine didn't they didn't give us any any advanced warning or heads up or
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anything um we just got the the sort of uh urgent calls from the Ukrainian government saying that we needed to turn
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on primier it's like in the middle of the night basically and we're like what are you talking about you know
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you which's it four um you know and then you know we basically um figured out that this was kind of like a bhit
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type attack on um Sasol on the Russian fet Sasol so they're really asking us for to to really for actually take part
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in a major act War um and um you know well we so certainly have huge EMP support for the Ukrainian
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government um the Ukrainian government is not in charge us uh people or companies that's not how it
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works and and Elon if if I could just but I should say that you know although I'm not President Biden's biggest fan if
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if I had received a Presidential Directive to turn it on I would have done so because I do regard the
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president as the chief executive officer of the country whether I want that post
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to the president or not I S respect the office and so if if you know if we gotten if I gotten a request from the
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president type of thing from the American president to be clear um then I I I would have turned it on
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you know so but no such requests came through that that's a really that's a really
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interesting point and um you're I mean the what jamas is referring to is you're now being attacked I saw there was a you
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know there was Jake Tapper uh the other day on CNN interviewing our secretary state was just he was all lathered up
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basically attacking you for this uh David David I mean to his credit secetary Lincoln was actually quite
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supportive despite the Absurd uh you know accusations and leading questions of the Jake taper at CN yeah he didn't
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take the bait credit to sery Lincoln in this regard for not um you know taking the bait at all yeah well I to me this
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is an example of no good deed goes unpunished because if you had never given I hope I hope some good deeds back
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go unpunished I mean if you if you had never given Starling that you know but yeah I mean my point is just if if
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you had never given Starling to the Ukrainian government for free voluntarily you just volunteered it then
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no one be attacking you right now for not turning it on so they could do their attack on Crea yeah um also one other
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thing I'll note is that your reason for not turning it on which is you don't be part of what could be a major escalation
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was exactly was exactly the reason that Biden Administration did not give attam attam missiles to Ukraine at that point
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in the War now they may be changing their minds but they were very worried about an attack the administration was
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an attack on Crea triggering some huge escalation of this war so not only did you not receive a directive from
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President Biden your thinking was very much in line with theirs at the time and and you're being attacked for that
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now there there's something you mentioned which is that you did this at a lot of economic cost to SpaceX can you
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just can you just talk about that for a second because I'm not sure people understand who's paying for what right
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now and who hasn't been paid and you know Etc there is um well as you say like a
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lot of people are contributed to the effort uh staring is the fundamental communication backbone of the Ukrainian
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uh government and and essential services like First Responders and that kind of thing um and you know is is used we we
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hope peacefully relatively peacefully on the warfront it is the only thing that works on the warfront everything else is
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been jamed by the Russians so it the only thing that works not not one of the [Applause]
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things you know but but I think you have to sort of think of say the you know um
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you know taking the actual example of Paul har and say like well how did that work out for Japan it didn't work out
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well at all right um because it was a a tactical victory a strategic defeat it enraged the American public um who sort
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of naturally wanted Vengeance for for the Z you know the Zach and I think that that you know while I don't think it's
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on the same scale that there was certainly that potential of sort of a many P Hava with results in a mass
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escalation of uh hostilities um but not this would this would not this would not
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defeat Russia it would enrage Russia do you Don do you donate the network or do they pay you for
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it sorry yeah so um I'm actually not sure what the final accounting is at this point but uh I I I think at one point at
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one point you calculated our sort of cost of supporting things that roughly $100 million now the $100 million does
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not count um the mass of risk to the entire Starling constellation uh because uh Russia would like to have the entire
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thing deleted um so uh you know nobody's compensating us for that um and uh so if we were to get
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say uh our control center were uh take down and Cyber attack they you know they command satellites to the
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over um and destroy the entire system uh or use anti satellite weapons um so you
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know the these are this is a pretty significant risk um for which we have not received
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any compensation and obviously would be catastrophic to the entire stalling system which is you know approaching $10
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billion Elon do you think the current government Administration saying hey 10 mil million and then actually I say one
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of the BR meing things was as you as you've seen there's there's a very large amount of money that's been appropriated
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for uh Ukraine you know I'm not sure what the the total is at this point but must be 100 close billion or somewhere
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between 80 and 100 billion um you know now all of the you know other sort of providers us providers of support to
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Ukraine are being paid so then why should SpaceX be excluded that doesn't make sense we we're doing one of the
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most valuable things and yet are getting the least money this iser um but you know despite that we're
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still happy to keep keep going and um Elon does the Biden Administration have it out for you and
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why H what have gave you that idea [Laughter] yeah but let me ask you own and control
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I don't if the whole Administration has it out me I think there probably aspects
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of the administration that are not uh or or you know as aspects of you know interests aligned with uh with with with
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resent Biden who probably do not um wish good things for me um I don't know you know really what
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their issue is but there does seem to be um a significant increase in the weaponization of government um
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and um I say really sort of misuse of prosecutorial discretion in a many many areas where and I think this is this is
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really a dangerous thing for um you know for I don't know for that to be potis and politics
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with with with government agencies it's it's just really and then I think from you know
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from from say uh you know Democratic party standpoint or or say B Biden Administration
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standpoint I think this is this the danger here is that if there's significant uh um must use
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prosecutorial discretion let's say one says okay everyone's equal under the law yes but who are you who are you choosing
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to pursue um and if if you if you're pursuing what what appeared to Independent voters to be
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uh trivial cases while ignoring serious crimes um it's hard to imagine that a lot of independent voters that's going
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to win over thoughtful independent voters did this did things change when you bought
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X yeah I think that they did change somewhat um you know I I'll go with the with with the sort of you know the
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xplatform is really to be uh a Level Playing Field a public square that is supportive of um you know most of the
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country let's say that the middle 80% or something like that um now um that's not been the case really
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for all social media that all social media have been really very very left leading far left leading and really
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Twitter was far left leading um you know the the suspensions of of um s Republican candidates or interests or
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voices was was uh really at least 10 times the rate of of um suppression of left left bring voices on you know on
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all Twitter um so so what what I'm trying to do is move it to the middle which from
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standpoint of say the left appears it is moving to the right Everything's Relative if you're standing on the
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left but it's not it's simply moving to the middle that's all um in an attempt to actually represent the whole country
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um and and not just um here half the country or even maybe less than half the country so that's it really so I think
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there's like there's really to be alarmed about here it's you know it's just that it's intended to be a Town
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Square inclusive of the whole country and else you know and and the world that's all it it's been um I guess you
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took over um X Twitter on Halloween weekend if I remember correctly uh when you got to the building you got the keys
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um and David and I were lucky to be there with you when you got the keys and we got to um check things out um this is
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10 months into a turnaround uh and it wasn't a high functioning organization I think when
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you took it over where is the company at now and are you pleased with I guess the
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progress because it looks like new features are getting launched the product velocity is great uh obviously
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advertising's been challenging but it feels like there's some green shoots so so how do you feel about the purchase
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now yeah well I should say we recently seen a significant increase in advertising which is great um so that's
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a you know if that Trend continues um I think the company will be in in very good Financial shape on the advertising
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front um so that in terms of positive developments that that seems to be one of them um and um from a feature
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standpoint I think those who are look using the system I think we' I think we might have delivered more new features
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you know in the last I know a year than in the last you know all tter did in 5 years
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you know there there really feature the feature development pace is very rapid um and this is being done with
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really about 15% of the original company um maybe a little more 15 20% um so it's
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it's really you know efficient you know at the end of the day you have to say you know how complicated is a system uh
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like the X Twitter platform um you know how different is it from a group chat frankly it's like a group chat at scale
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um so he I don't think you need an army to maintain a group chat yeah yeah I mean it's it's not the
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self-driving platform and it had maybe 10 times as many people working on it as the self-driving platform at Tesla which
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seems crazy the entire self-driving AI software team is 200 people and the what they're doing is
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much more complex than Twitter or you know much a lot more so you now there's other things
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that obviously need to be done like advertising sales um OB network operations and um how can you talk to
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it's really not it's not a it's not a huge I don't like I said don't even know me for for for what we're here and I
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think you know the people that that are um still the company are obviously being
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very productive in uh creating and deling new features um and um you know we keep seeing sort of RedBoard usage
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and the the know the most prous number is really the is user seconds as reported by the mobile device especially
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iOS the the iOS uh what iOS reports as the screen time is the is the least gameful metric um and and
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those numbers are exem are very good um so you know I think I'm course justly optimistic about where things are headed
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and I I feel like the company's turned just you know just recently turned turn a corner um tell us about you know said
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um at least moderate prosperity and and hopefully significant tell us about um the success of sharing Revenue why did
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you do it and then just the the vision you have for just the Creator economy and what you want that to evolve into
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and build into yeah I mean it sounds to reason that if if you're a Creator and you need
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to um need to make a Livy for what you're doing um so there's got to be um you know Fair compensation
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competitive compensation for a Creator whether they're doing you know WR their writing or pictures video whatever the
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case may be um and uh so we're and we're so we're not really in you know inventing
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anything new here we're just you know as YouTube does with creators they will do
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rev show um with advertising and so we're doing rev show with advertising um we're also to have enabled direct
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subscription to accounts where whatever somebody you know you could be doing audio video long form text anything and
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you can subscribe to someone and um that's you know OB that's way for a subscriber to make a living as as well
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you know for a Creator to make a living so the intent is for the ACT platform to
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be the best home for creators uh where if you've got interesting content then you you want to put it on a platform and
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um you know there's a lot of questions about like sort of the algorithm and whatnot I I should mention like the the
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algorithm is uh I think almost all of it is open sourced and and we will uh I think quite soon have the entire open
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source uh the only reason I it really hasn't been done entirely open source yet is because we're somewhat
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embarrassed with the code and need to just clean it up before uh putting something extremely embarrassing out
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there but the point is that like we want transparency boths trust and if you've got um uh if you if you can recreate the
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results um on the xform of how viral a post is going to be independently using the uh you know the
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the public algorithm you know the H algorithm um that that's really where we want to get to um so you you kind of you
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kind of know what to expect um and and why something happened um now now I should say the we are we are trying to
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optimize for uh user time um on the platform what this naturally means is that um
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posting content that someone looks at longer is going to get higher priority than
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content that is short uh just because the system is trying to Max it's it's aspiring to maximize uh
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you unreg user remittance is what I call it so like basically how do we um if we're succeeding you want to spend more
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time on the platform and you want to and after having spent that time you don't want to regret it um I mean speaking of
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Tik Tok um you know that's I've had a lot of people tell me they spend a lot of time on Tik
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Tok and they regret it um we don't want to be we want it to be that you spend a lot of time on the
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xplatform and you learned a lot uh you you're entertained and you don't regret it so when you're optimizing for you
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know user minutes and like I said aspirationally under regretted use minutes uh uh if you the more content
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that you post on the system the more reach that uh thing will get because the system is saying oh those user is
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spending more time in the platform because they're they're you know seeing say your podcast or uh reading um a long
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form article or watching some video um that's going to get a lot more time than say if you if you link to a video
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elsewhere or you link to an article elsewhere that that that's just that that that that means you'll you will be
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on that post for a very short period of time and so the the system will be like okay
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that did not increase uh user time so it will it won't be excluded it it will get
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less attention that than actually posting content natively on the system do you want to talk um
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about uh the ADL and you uh sort of where what the status of that is whether you're pursuing a lawsuit or not or
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where that stands um I think we'll have to see about that I mean um yeah I mean the fact of matter is that
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ad did initiate a boycott they don't call it a boycott they call it a pause but you know po that is never ending
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isot so and and and we just we saw a massive drop in uh us advertising we saw basically no change in advertising in
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Asia but domestically with ADL is strong we saw uh 60% drop in advertising so you
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know that's uh pretty intense um and um and this is despite you know showing repeated uh analyses of the
00:27:39
system including third party analysis of the system which actually showed that uh
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the number of uh views of hateful content uh declined so you know the third parties
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who have all the data analyz and said actually there's less safe speech um the issue I think with the ADL is not
00:28:01
a question of hate speech it's not a question of any semitism obviously uh it's that the ad um and a lot of other
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organizations have become activist organizations um which are acting far beyond their uh stated mandate or their
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original mandate and and I think far beyond what donors to those organizations think they are
00:28:22
doing um you know one of the things that the a was extremely opposed to and in fact was instrumental in in happening
00:28:31
was there the ad was instrumental in getting um Donald Trump the platformed um and then when we we you know we
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restored the account um they they made it super clear that they regarded simply restoring his account on you know
00:28:47
Twitter now uh that that that constituted hateful speech like he hasn't even said anything you know um he
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has to at least say something or post something for there to be incremental painful painful content this is absurd
00:29:04
um and what's this got to do with anti-Semitism like you know Donald Trump's son-in-law is Jewish his Jewish
00:29:09
gr I'm pretty sure he's not anti-semitic okay um you know he's at the wedding so um this this so so the
00:29:20
problem is that a lot of these um organizations like said they've really been captured by the W agenda and
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they're they're pushing um you know serious of beliefs and values that I think are often contrary to their what
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what they're done as belief and that's uh that's what we have in the situation well yeah I I'll note that the the two
00:29:39
positions that you've taken that have brought the most heat on you number one defending Free Speech number two
00:29:46
advocating peace and how dare you how dare you how dare you and there's there's an article like the
00:29:57
opposite world or something yeah we're living in upside down World there there's an article in today's New Yorker
00:30:02
calling you a super villain because you're advocating peace and protecting the first amendment I mean it's like
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completely upside down do you want people to eat their vegetables you at this point you
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literally cannot tell actual press from parody no like if that was a bon be or onion no literally you're doing a you're
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doing and and change the banner to you know Babylon b or whatever onion or something like that par some parody
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thing and be like oh that's a good joke you know um yeah super bones normally advocate for peace that's you know of
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course um we want to get rid of all the nuclear weapons hey um hold that's uh what the funniest the
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funniest skit that didn't make it on SNL that we were worksh Shing was probably woke James Bond and we wanted to do like
00:31:03
this woke James Bond and Eli will tell you some of the jokes it was pretty hilarious but then we were
00:31:10
just talking about a story that broke in the guardian about the new James Bond novel and short story is to woke and
00:31:17
it's literally the parody we did two years ago uh Elon speaking of Peace we had we had a grais reality also like the
00:31:28
you know the uh you know conspiracy theories that that that haven't come true list is you
00:31:35
know quite short um sees that turn out quite short um and we really need more conspiracies
00:31:45
generated because we're running out of to find the [Laughter] truth okay check off is accurate um so
00:31:55
uh I don't know who's the you know responsible these conspiracy theories but but you know we just need some more
00:32:02
material paging Alex Jones Elon we had Graham Alison here today I know you talked about his book we had Ray Doo
00:32:09
here we had Ro kna um and we talked a lot about China the US relationship with China you are you have several
00:32:16
businesses that have deep supplier and customer relation uh ships in China given what's going on and clearly the
00:32:22
tenor has changed the the mood has changed with respect to US policy towards China
00:32:28
what it's like in DC what it's like in Silicon Valley and how everyone talks about the relationship with China today
00:32:33
it's pretty crazy how quick things have changed um as a business leader with all
00:32:38
these business relationships with China how do you make decisions and and how things are changing and how do you think
00:32:43
about where this is headed sure well I mean let's just clarify here um you know SpaceX has no
00:32:51
uh SpaceX of Starling have no in China whatsoever they're not they're not allowed you know SpaceX does launch uh
00:33:00
China satellites and starlink is abandon in China so to be clear SpaceX starlink
00:33:06
zero business in China um uh in the case of of Tesla uh one of our of our four vehicle factories uh one is in uh China
00:33:20
so um you know it's a it's a significant car market uh but it is uh you know so what I'm trying to say is like the by
00:33:29
far the bulk of of my business interests if if I I would peing MTI which I Aspire
00:33:34
not to be um are Outsider China let's just be clear about that um then with respect to now that said I think I
00:33:43
understand China well I've been there many times I've met with uh the senior leadership um at many levels of China
00:33:50
for for many years and so I I think I've got a pretty good understanding um at least as an outsider of ch so and and
00:33:59
Tesla has been very successful domestically in China so um you know the fundamental thing here
00:34:07
is is really Taiwan um the China has well really since uh for like half a century or so uh maybe
00:34:19
longer at this point longer at this point their policy has been to to um s reunite Taiwan with China uh from this
00:34:28
standpoint you know it may be just analogous to like Hawaii or or something like that like an integral part of China
00:34:34
that is arbitrarily not part of China um mostly because of the US stop has us Pacific Fleet has stopped uh any any
00:34:45
sort of um reunification effort force um so now really things getting to the point
00:34:55
um increasingly year-over year uh where China's military strength is increasing and ours is more or less uh
00:35:02
static and strategically you know you can imagine trying to defend Taiwan is not not easy because it's it's very
00:35:11
close to the coast of China um so there will come a point if you know Pro probably not not too distant future
00:35:20
where China's military strength in that region far ex exceeds US military strength in that region and
00:35:28
if one is to take uh China's policy literally and probably one should um then there will be some
00:35:36
forceful uh for forceful beuse for you know uh to incorporate Taiwan into China this is what they've said um that
00:35:48
if if there is not a diplomatic solution there will be a solution by force let me
00:35:54
um if I can and so really what's going on here you've seen you know this in in many areas and I think this Tempo is
00:36:01
going to increase is that you know both China and the US are preparing for a potential
00:36:12
Showdown uh you know in the South China CA so um that's why you're seeing increasing restrictions on export of us
00:36:21
technology to China uh but such as the the Nvidia you know the Nvidia h100s being and you not allow to ship to China
00:36:30
um and I think there'll be more and more you you also not not allow to ship Advanced ship making equipment to China
00:36:36
um so and I suspect you know you know China is going to respond with some reciprocal
00:36:41
sanctions um and you'll I think you'll see this kind of a TI T reciprocal sanctions increasing in the next next
00:36:48
few years so I think quite a very uh hot temperature um and then we'll see this is there going to be a a diplomatic
00:37:00
solution to uh re reunification or a non- diplomatic solution you uh but has made it clear that there will one way or
00:37:10
another be a solution from their standpoint Yeah you mentioned uh Nvidia so let me just talk about Ai and bring
00:37:17
it back to that for a second can you tell us um your regrets but also the positives of the experience you had with
00:37:26
open Ai and then what your goals are with X well the AI discussion is is certainly
00:37:36
a long one or could be a long one um you know digital super intelligence that might be the most
00:37:51
significant technology that Humanity ever creates um and and it has the potential to be more dangerous than and
00:37:58
um nuclear weapons so um you know in the case of creating opening eye it was to have there not be
00:38:10
a unipolar world where um Google with its subsidary deat mine uh you know would control an overwhelming amount of
00:38:19
AI talent and compute and and resources um which then is somewhat dependent on basically how
00:38:28
how Larry paage U and serge BR um and Eric believe things should go because they they between three of them or two
00:38:36
out of three have control over alphabet because they've got super voting rights and um you know I was quite based on
00:38:45
some conversations I had with lar paig uh where um you know you call me a species for being pro
00:38:53
humanity and um so I'm like what side of you on there you know uh um you know I think and uh so so I felt
00:39:05
like uncomfortable um having the entire future of digital super intelligence be in the hands of someone who equ a
00:39:12
species for being pro Humanity um you know how can it not be uh so that's opening eye was originally
00:39:22
created as an open source nonprofit and now is a close to be it should be renamed closed for Max no profit AI
00:39:32
um it is it is closed um and they are aiming to I think make try to make a100 billion I think according to
00:39:40
S get $100 billion from somewhere for some vast amount of compute uh to create digital god um apparently all the waste
00:39:50
are stored in a common separated value file by the way so our dig God will be a CSV
00:39:55
file how do we import it file import um see what happens um so so anyway so so now
00:40:11
opening uh is also very closely line with Microsoft you know Microsoft is really you um the open servers are
00:40:19
running on in Azure and Microsoft data centers you know so really what you have is I think at the end of day Microsoft
00:40:26
having more control than open AI they have access to all the source code they have access to all the weights of the um
00:40:33
you know gb4 and future versions so they have all rights to this to to thing it's
00:40:38
not um at any point really they could cut off open AI I don't think open AI quite
00:40:44
realizes that the dependence on on Microsoft and even if Microsoft does break some contract they'll just be tied
00:40:51
up in litigation for you know for years um so really you've got a contest between kind of like Google
00:41:01
and Microsoft Google as mentioned I'm concerned about you know uh sorry not not caring enough about AI safety and um
00:41:11
good reason and then Microsoft just is is a I think you know a profit seeking organization um and I you know I think
00:41:20
such is great but um I I can't say like you know that it would difficult to to say that that m has a has an amazing
00:41:28
track record and moral decision- making so um diplomatic anyway so so so was like okay
00:41:41
look let's just so I think let's try to create a third company that is competitive I I I do think Tesla is
00:41:49
underated from an AI standpoint in terms of real world AI Tesla has the best real
00:41:54
world AI so uh you know hopefully between uh xai and Tesla there's kind of a third
00:42:03
Contender or would you look you've done you open source your patents at Tesla you are very Pro open source your source
00:42:12
code at X would you ever considering releasing dojo and FSD more as a platform substrate for everybody else or
00:42:19
that's sort of off the table right now well I don't know if that's uh you know in the case of say Dojo or our inference
00:42:31
Hardware that's in the car our inference inference computer which is actually a lot lot more comp than Dojo by the way
00:42:38
um you know we've got I know somewhere in the order of 4 million cars that have um highp speeded Ai and Par computers in
00:42:46
them um like open sourcing chip designs doesn't mean you you suddenly get that thing yeah you know
00:42:55
so um you can open open source the software but I think chip designs it's only ones that could actually use
00:43:07
those chips or really kind of yeah would be some someone that's willing to spend
00:43:14
many billions of dollars on um on a computer development so anyway I think I think in the case of
00:43:24
uh you know don't saying Optimus is really interesting um any I think just in general Tesla is uh one of the most
00:43:35
leading AI companies um and in some respects the leading AI company when it comes to real real world AI
00:43:42
understanding the real world and and actually reacting to that with self-driving
00:43:48
um and so and I think that will become part of the the solution for AGI or general super intelligence so
00:43:58
um in the case of Tesla I think we've got a sort of a good governance structure in that there's no super
00:44:04
voting rights or anything like that so if I'm you know go crazy the CH of Tesla can vote me out um you know I have
00:44:14
enough vote to be you know I think moderately influential but not enough to stay in even if I'm doing crazy stuff so
00:44:21
I think that's actually good um great um I was told we have to wrap him at oh okay uh just on FSD before we wrap I'll
00:44:31
let you go um we were talking earlier this year and you said uh hey maybe chat GPT 4.0 like moment for self-driving was
00:44:41
coming and uh I've I've been playing with the beta and um yeah how how close does it feel to you because it it some
00:44:50
of the rides it's been doing for me are pretty darn impressive the latest beta is pretty incredible yeah it's pretty
00:44:57
pretty neat I you know I used to love it on the highways and on the streets I'd be like okay but now I'm using it
00:45:02
increasingly on the streets so where do you how do you feel about it right now and I I guess you made a lot of
00:45:08
predictions on it over the years um but it it does feel like it's getting pretty
00:45:13
close yeah I think it's I think it's very close to uh you know being in a situation where even if there's no human
00:45:20
oversight or intervention that the probability of uh a safe journey is is higher with FSD and no supervision like
00:45:28
even if you're seep of the car than if the person is driving um we're very close to that you know those that have
00:45:36
the FSD beta which really anyone could get at this point um so the the the miles we see driven under
00:45:46
the FSD beta currently are much safer than the miles that are driven without it so um that's uh you know that's
00:45:54
that's already very good milestone um but you know you can just see that it's getting better and better like um
00:46:03
if you see if you compare the uh you know FS beta today versus 6 months ago versus you know a year ago versus 18
00:46:12
months ago it's really the Improvement is dramatic um and um we've got the final
00:46:19
piece of the puzzle which is to have the control part of the car uh transition from about 300,000 lines of C++ code to
00:46:28
also neural network so the you know the whole system will be neural net in your network um phons into controls out and
00:46:38
and that that that's kind of the final piece of the puzzle for fullop driving being significantly better than human W
00:46:44
awesome uh thanks for taking the time buddy uh fly safe and I'll see you shortly uh ladies and gentlemen Elon
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