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Chamath: US AI Startups Can Learn A Lot from DeepSeek

February 02, 2025 / 00:56

This episode discusses innovation in AI algorithms, specifically focusing on a new reinforcement learning method that requires less memory and bypasses Nvidia's CUDA.

The conversation highlights how necessity drives invention, with a case study of a team that developed an algorithm using PTX, which operates at a lower level than traditional methods.

Key points include the observation that constraints can lead to more innovative solutions, contrasting the West's approach to funding AI startups with that of other regions.

The speakers suggest that smaller funding amounts might encourage deeper innovation rather than large sums that may not foster creativity.

TLDR

Innovation in AI algorithms thrives under constraints, suggesting smaller funding may lead to deeper creativity.

Episode

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this is a case where necessity was the mother of invention these guys were like well how
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am I going to do this reinforcement learning thing they invented a totally different algorithm it uses a lot less
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computer memory and it's highly performant and then the second thing that was crazy is everybody is used to
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building models and compiling through Cuda which is nvidia's proprietary language and these guys worked totally
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around Cuda and they did something called PTX which goes right to the bare metal we meaning the West with all the
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money that we've had didn't come up with these ideas and I think part of why we didn't come up is not that we're not
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smart enough to do it but we weren't forced to because the constraints didn't exist and so I just wonder how we make
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sure we learn this principle meaning when the AI company wakes up and rolls out of bed and some VC gives them 200
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million maybe that's not the right answer for a series A or a seed and maybe the right answer is 2 million so
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that they do these deep seek like Innovations

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Episode Highlights

  • Revolutionary Algorithm Development
    A new algorithm was invented that uses significantly less computer memory and performs better.
    “They invented a totally different algorithm.”
    @ 00m 06s
    February 02, 2025
  • Breaking Free from Cuda
    Innovators bypassed Nvidia's Cuda, creating a new approach called PTX.
    “They worked totally around Cuda and did something called PTX.”
    @ 00m 19s
    February 02, 2025
  • Rethinking Funding Strategies
    Exploring alternative funding amounts for AI startups could lead to deeper innovations.
    “Maybe the right answer is 2 million.”
    @ 00m 48s
    February 02, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • We weren't forced to because the constraints didn't exist.
    Chamath: US AI Startups Can Learn A Lot from DeepSeek
  • Maybe the right answer is 2 million.
    Chamath: US AI Startups Can Learn A Lot from DeepSeek

Key Moments

  • New Algorithm Emerges00:06
  • Bypassing Cuda00:19
  • Funding Rethink00:48