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David Sacks Exposes the AI Doomer Industrial Complex: Global Control, Threat Inflation, Biden Links

June 02, 2025 / 09:45

This episode discusses the effective altruism movement, AI existential risk, and the influence of key figures like Dustin Moskovitz and Tarun Chabra.

The conversation highlights the funding of organizations by Dustin Moskovitz through Open Philanthropy, which supports a network of groups promoting AI regulation. The discussion includes the ideological agenda behind this funding and its implications for global AI governance.

Key points include the potential risks of AI, including job loss and the fear of superintelligence. The hosts express concern about the narrative being pushed by these organizations, suggesting it aims to empower government control over AI.

The episode also critiques the Biden administration's approach to AI regulation, linking it to effective altruism and the influence of former staffers now working at Anthropic.

Overall, the hosts argue that the focus on existential risk may overshadow other significant risks, such as competition with China in AI development.

TLDR

The episode critiques effective altruism's influence on AI regulation and its ties to government control and funding sources.

Episode

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Well, there's also an industrial complex according to some folks that are backing this. If you've heard of
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effective altruism, that was like this uh movement of a bunch of I don't know, I guess they consider themselves
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intellectual sacks and they uh were kind of backing a large swath of organizations that I guess we would call
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in the industry astroturfing or what do they call it when you make so many of these organizations that they're not
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real in politics and flooding the zone perhaps. So if you were to look at this article here, Nick, I think you have the
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AI existential risk um industrial complex graphic there. It seems like a group of people according to this
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article have backed to the tune of 1.6 billion a large number of organizations to scare the be Jesus out of everybody
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and make YouTube videos, Tik Toks, and they've they've made a map of it. There's some key takeaways here from
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that article where it says here that it's an inflated ecosystem. There's a great deal of redundancy. Same names,
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acronyms, logos with only minor changes. Same extreme talking points. Same group
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of people just with different titles. Same funding source. There's a funding source called Open Philanthropy which
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was funded by Dustin Moskovitz who is one of the Facebook billionaires. Chimath, you worked with him, right? I
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mean he was wasn't he like Zuck's roommate at Harvard or something and one of the first engineers made a lot of
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money. So he funded this he he's an EA and he funded this group called Open Philanthropy which then has become the
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feeder for essentially all these other organizations which are almost different fronts to basically the same underlying
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EA ideology. And what's interesting is that the guy who set this up for Dustin, Holden
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Carnowski, who is a major effective altruist and was doing out all the money, he's married to Daario's sister
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and she she's I guess associated with EA and she was one of the co-founders of Anthropic. So these are not
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coincidences. I mean the reality is there's a very specific ideological and political agenda here. Now what is that
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agenda? It's basically global AI governance if you will. They want AI to be highly regulated but not just at the
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level of the nation state but let's say internationally supernationally to well if you just do a quick search on
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global compute governance it'll tell you what the key aspects are. So number one
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they want regulation of computational resources. This includes access to GPUs. They want AI safety and security
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regulation. They want international, you call them, globalist agreements. And they want ethical and
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societal considerations or policy built into this. Now, what does that sound like? That sounds a lot to me like what
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the Biden administration was pursuing. Specifically, we had that Biden executive order on AI, which was 100
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pages of Bernson regulation that was designed to promote AI safety, but had all these DEI requirements. So you know
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it led to woke AI. You remember when Google launched Black George Washington so forth they had the Biden diffusion
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rule which created this global licensing framework to sell GPUs all over the world. So extreme restrictions on
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proliferation of servers of computing power. They created what's called the AI safety institute and they again fostered
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these international AI summits. So if you actually look at what the Biden administration was tangibly doing in
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terms of policy and you look at what EA's agenda is with respect to global compute governance, they were pushing
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hard on these fronts. And now if you look at the level of personnel, there were very very
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powerful Biden staffers who now all work in anthropic. So probably the most powerful Biden staffer on AI over the
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past four years was a lawyer named Tarun Chabra and he now works at Anthropic for
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Daario. Elizabeth Kelly who was the founding director of the AI safety institute in the government now works at
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Anthropic. Like I mentioned Daario's sister is married to Holder and Karnowski who doss out all the money to
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these EA organizations. So if you were to do something like create a network map, you would see very quickly that
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there's three key nodes here. There's the effective altruist movement of which Sam Bankman Freed's most notable member,
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but which I think Dustin Mos is now the main funer. There's the Biden administration and like the key staffers
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and then you've got anthropic and it's a very tightly wound network. Now why does
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this matter? Let's get Yeah. Also the goals I think is Yes. Well, the the goal, like I said, is is global compute
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governance. It's basically establishing national and then international regulations of AI. Now, but they would
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claim, let's just pause here for a minute. They would claim the reason they're doing it. And so, we we'll we'll
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save if we believe this or not, but they are concerned about job destruction in the short term. They're also concerned
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as science fiction as it is that the AI when we get to like a sort of generalized super intelligence is going
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to kill humanity that this is a nonzero chance. Elon has said this before. They've sort of taken it to a almost
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like a certainty. Yes, we're going to have so many of these general intelligences that they only believe
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that when they're raising money. Well, that's what I'm sort of getting at. Like, so I think they believe it all the
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time, but maybe maybe the press releases are time for for the fun building. But let me let me answer that. So, right.
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Yeah. Yeah. Look, I mean, it is a great product. Cloud kicks us. I'm more interested in the political dimension of
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this. I'm not bashing a specific product or company, but look, I think that there
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is some nonzero risk of AI growing into a super intelligence that's beyond our control. They have a name for that. They
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call it X-risk or existential risk. I think it's very hard to put a percentage on that. I'm willing to acknowledge that
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is a risk. You know, I think about that all the time and I do think we should be
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concerned about it. But there's two problems I think with this approach. Number one is X-Risk is not the only
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kind of risk. I would say that China winning the AI race is a huge risk. I don't really want to see a CCP AI
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running the world. And if you hobble our own innovation, our own AI efforts in the name of stomping out every
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possibility of X-risk, then you probably end up losing the AI race to China because they're not going to abide by
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those same regulations. So again, you can't optimize for solving only one risk while ignoring all the others. And I
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would say the risk of China winning the AI race is, you know, it might be like 30%. Whereas I think X risk is probably
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a much lower percentage. So there are there are other risks to to worry about. And I I do think that they are
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single-mindedly focused on scaring people with some of these headlines around first it was the boweapons, then
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it was the super intelligence, now it's the job loss. And I think it's a tried andrue tactic of people who want to give
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more power to the government to scare the population, right? Because if you can scare the population and make them
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fearful, then they will cry out for the government to solve the problem. And that's what I see here is that you've
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got this elaborate network of front organizations which are all motivated by this EA ideology. They're funded by a
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hardcore leftist. And by the way, I became aware of Dustin's politics because of the Chase Bodin recall. I
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found out that he was a big funer of Chase Bodin. Remember this? Yeah. Dustin Mosimus and Carrie Tuna, his wife.
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Also, Reed Hastings just joined the board of of Anthropic. remember when he back in 2016 to tried to drive Peter
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Teal off of the board of Facebook for supporting Trump. So, you know, these are like committed leftists. They're
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Trump haters. But the point is that these are people who fundamentally believe in empowering government to the
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maximum extent, more government, and empowering government to the maximum extent. Now, my problem with that is I
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actually think that probably the single greatest dystopian risk associated with AI is the risk that government uses it
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to control all of us. To me, like you end up in some sort of Orwellian future where AI is controlled by the
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government. And out of all the risks we've talked about, that's the only one for which I've seen tangible evidence.
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So in other words, if you go back to last year when we had the whole woke AI, there was plenty of evidence that the
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people who were creating these products were infusing their left-wing or woke values into the product to the point
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where it was lying to all of us and it was rewriting history. And there was plenty of evidence that the Biden EO was
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trying to enshrine that idea. Was basically trying to require DEI be infused into AI models. and it wanted to
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anoint two or three winners in this AI race. So, I'm quite convinced that prior to Donald Trump winning the election, we
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were on a path of global compute governance where two or three big AI companies were going to be anointed as
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the winners. And the quid proquo is that they were going to infuse those AI models with woke values. And there was
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plenty of evidence for that. You look at the policies, you look at the models. This was not a theoretical concern. This
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was real. And I think the only reason why we've moved off of that trajectory is because of Trump's election.

Episode Highlights

  • The AI Existential Risk Industrial Complex
    A discussion on the funding and influence of effective altruism in AI governance.
    “They've made a map of it.”
    @ 00m 58s
    June 02, 2025
  • Concerns Over AI Regulation
    The push for global AI governance raises questions about control and innovation.
    “They want regulation of computational resources.”
    @ 02m 36s
    June 02, 2025
  • The Dystopian Future of AI
    Exploring the risks of government control over AI and its implications for society.
    “The greatest dystopian risk associated with AI is the risk that government uses it to control all of us.”
    @ 08m 24s
    June 02, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • There's a very specific ideological and political agenda here.
    David Sacks Exposes the AI Doomer Industrial Complex: Global Control, Threat Inflation, Biden Links
  • They want AI to be highly regulated, not just at the nation state level.
    David Sacks Exposes the AI Doomer Industrial Complex: Global Control, Threat Inflation, Biden Links
  • The greatest dystopian risk associated with AI is the government using it to control us.
    David Sacks Exposes the AI Doomer Industrial Complex: Global Control, Threat Inflation, Biden Links

Key Moments

  • Effective Altruism00:09
  • Funding Sources01:18
  • Global AI Governance02:14
  • Dystopian Risks08:24

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