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The value of a top tier developer is so high that you'll take a spy. >> Yeah, exactly.
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>> It's like ah, you know, we kind of need them to ship. You look at a country like
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North Korea, they need revenue. >> Yep. >> Hacking's pretty great revenue source.
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They were even using AI. My understanding, and I'm sure you've been following this, to get developer jobs in
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the United States, convince Americans to put laptops in their homes >> so that they could remote work.
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>> You know, when when you have a piece of malware, it's like, okay, that's bad.
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You can detect it. But when you have to tell a company that their employee may not be their employee, you have
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>> it's a little gentle. Like >> you have to be gentle. >> You're letting them know just how
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incompetent they are when it comes to security. I said it, not you. >> And we found hundreds now over
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>> hundreds in America. They were doing it, my understanding is for the highpaying
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salary to fund stuff in North Korea. Is that correct or not? They were doing it to get trade secrets.
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>> They were doing it to buy access. Why breakin when you can just log in?
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>> Oh my god. >> Yeah. You know, so it's a lot easier to get somebody hired. True story. We
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actually say we think this employee is not an employee. They investigate it and they go, "Yeah, you were right." I said,
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"Well, tell me the story." And they said, "Well, we we went to this person's
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boss and we said, "We don't think that's a real person." And they went through
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all the reasons why. Finally, they said, "We think it's a North Korean." His boss
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said, "Well, do we have to get rid of him because he did such good work?"
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>> Oh my lord. So, the value of a top tier developer is so high that you'll take us
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by. >> Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, we kind of need him to ship.