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okay um well buckle your seat belt um because I think this next thing is probably going to shake some of your
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thinking um if you guys have want to be uh provoked one of the most provocative books you can
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read uh is by a gentleman by the name of Charles Murley called uh I think it's called breaking apart anyways it's it's
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basically a study on sociology and uh there's a guy a younger version named Rob Henderson who I
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randomly met on the internet a few years ago and Rob's story is pretty incredible
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this is a guy that had a drug addicted mother he bounced around foster care his whole life he uh dropped out of high
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school I think he joined the Air Force left the Air Force and then went to Yale and then got a PhD from Cambridge um but
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he has had an incredibly hard life but is an incredibly happy kind thoughtful human who's prettyy introspective about
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um just society and sociology and people um if you don't have a chance to follow
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Rob on Twitter I highly encourage you to do it he's got an incredible um newsletter um it's just fascinating
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stuff about human psychology and uh he's going to give us a little presentation then we're going to have a conversation
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so Rob Henderson [Applause] everybody let your winners ride rman [Music] David and instead we open source it to
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the fans and they've just gone crazy with [Music] love I did graduate high school uh 2.2
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GPA bottom third of my class uh so I've uh I've been developing this framework of luxury beliefs for uh a couple of
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years now uh so we'll just jump right in we'll start with a with a puzzle what do
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top hats have in common with defunding the police or romanticizing unmarried parenting or divorce or promoting
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careerism over attentive care for children and family uh before we get into it chth told you a bit about my
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unusual background I was born here in Los Angeles I grew up in foster homes here in LA and all around California uh
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I fled as soon as I could uh enlisting in the military when I was 17 and then later attended Yale on the GI Bill and
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and a PhD from University of Cambridge and throughout uh well well Yale was a very different environment
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for me I learned at Yale that there are more uh students from families in the top 1% of the income scale than the
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entire bottom 60% and some of those personal experiences along with my sort of academic research uh led me to a
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discovery which is that luxury beliefs uh have to a large extent uh replaced luxury goods luxury beliefs are ideas
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and opinions that conf first status on the upper class while often inflicting costs on the lower classes now to be
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clear I'm not saying that luxury goods no longer signify status uh rather are making the point that luxury goods have
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become a noisier indicator of status uh and as a result luxury beliefs have uh Arisen and as we as we'll see later uh a
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core feature of a luxury belief is that the believer is Comfortably insulated from the consequences of his or her
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belief so there are multiple components to this luxury belief idea but it starts
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with uh Vin he was an economist and sociologist in the late 19th century and in 1899 he published a book called the
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theory of the Leisure Class uh and one of the core insights of this book is that because we can't be certain about
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the financial status of other people a good way to size up their means is to see whether they could afford uh
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expensive uh and costly Goods so in Bin's day these were things like Tuxedos and top hats and evening gowns pocket
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watches and monal uh partaking in expensive leisurely activities like golf or beagling uh attending uh expensive
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and and lavish events kind of like oh um so there's [Applause] a there's a great uh line in this book
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uh uh Vin uh somewhat tongue-in-cheek uh suggests that even even Butlers are status symbols he writes that the the
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chief use of servants is the evidence they afford of the Master's ability to pay um so these findings were later
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echoed a few decades later uh by the French sociologist Pierre bdue uh in a classic uh work in sociology called
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distinction of social critique of the Judgment of taste and this uh in this book Pier berue coined this term
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cultural capital uh and the idea was that uh the upper segment of society would convert their material resources
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into uh uh uh Avenues to express and and perform uh social class through what he
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called the dispositions of Mind and Body uh uh developing intricate and expensive
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tastes uh knowledge of of uh wine and art and other rarified cultural domains uh taste Customs opinions habits he used
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this term distance from necessity uh in other words only people who did not work
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bluecollar jobs manual labor could afford to invest the time and the resources uh into performing uh uh the
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class mannerisms of that top segment so one of the points that be uh pier bdue and Bin made was that in order
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for a symbol a status symbol to signify status uh it has to be rare it has to be
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exclusive difficult to obtain costly to purchase once a status symbol is freely available to the masses uh the elites
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will subsequently abandon it so there are historical examples of this uh one that I like uh here the in the Middle
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Ages in Europe SP spices were difficult to obtain and costly to purchase only the elites could afford them but as
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European societies colonized India and the Americas and other regions of the globe Globe the cost of spices
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subsequently declined and uh the mass public commoners in Europe were able to obtain spices and in response many
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European Elites decided that spices were vulgar and um under the reign of Louis the 14th Court chefs banned Sugar and
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Spice from all meals except for desserts um there's another example here uh dueling in the American colony so
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dueling was initially uh a practice primarily engaged in by Aristocrats it was you know it was something that only
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gentlemen partook for Honor uh famously one of America's founding fathers Alexander Hamilton was killed in a duel
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against Aaron Burr uh but gradually this practice that was initially confined to
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the elite spread uh throughout the colonies and as a result uh the elites abandoned this practice and then it was
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subsequently outlawed in the late 19th century so distinction uh is the key motive here now A couple of years ago
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there was a great book uh by the author Michael Knox Baron called wasps the splendors and miseries of an American
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aristocracy and in this book Baron writes about white Anglo-Saxon Protestants so this was the American
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ruling class from roughly the mid 19th to the mid 20th centuries and baron points out that wasps had mixed feelings
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about their fellow Americans uh he writes that many wasps viewed ordinary Americans as sunk in moronic darkness
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and he writes that it is a question whether a high wasp ever supported a fashionable cause without some secret
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knowledge that the cause was abored by the bulgarians uh in other words many wasp would support certain movements and
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causes and express certain beliefs uh because they were so at odds with conventional opinion and it made them
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look sophisticated and interesting and it allowed them to distance themselves from the
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commoners um and so sometimes when I talk about luxury beliefs when I talk about status people will say Rob is it
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really true that Elites care so much about status is it really something that's so important to them and the
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answer is yes um the sociologist Emil durkheim understood this when he wrote the more one has the more one wants
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since satisf actions received only stimulate instead of filling needs and this is supported by two recent studies
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both published in 2020 by two independent groups of researchers this is a replicated finding uh the result
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was that relative to lower status individuals higher status individuals have the strongest desire for wealth and
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Status so these researchers collected uh objective measures of status things like
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uh socioeconomic status level of income occupational Prestige uh educational attainment and found that people who are
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at or near the top of these measures were the most likely to agree with statements like it would please me to be
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in a position of power over others I enjoy having influence over those around me and similar uh statements involving
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wealth as well so this is something uh that that's important to understand the strong desire for status the strong
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desire for distinction so that's one component of luxury beliefs the other is that this top segment of society also
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wields disproportionate influence over culture and over policy there was a study in 2014 that received a lot of
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attention which found that strong support from high-income Americans doubles the likelihood that a policy
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will be adopted so these are Americans in the top income desile roughly people who ear in $177,000 or more per year uh
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this group wields a lot of influence but it's important to understand that this group um is often insulated from uh the
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detrimental effects of some of their policy preferences if the outcomes uh do not are not favorable um so this is
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important too they're insulated from from the consequences of their preferences so what is an example of a
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luxury belief well in 2020 the defund of the police movement gained a lot of momentum uh and in early 2021 yugov uh
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ran a survey they collected data from a representative sample of Americans and found that the well they found overall
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Americans were very much against defunding the police but when they broke down the results by income category they
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found that the highest income Americans were by far the most supportive of defunding the police there was another
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survey of of just Democratic voters and found that white Democrats were far more
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supportive of defunding the police than Black and Hispanic Democrats uh and so as a result despite the fact that most
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people didn't want this uh many cities across the US subsequently reduced spending for police departments uh here
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in LA in New York Chicago Seattle and and many other cities as well and this has contributed to the violent crime
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wave that we've seen over the last couple of years so these are figures from the US Census P Bureau before 2020
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um which helps to understand who are the primary victims of crime so so in the US
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relative to those who earn $775,000 or more per year the poorest Americans are seven times more likely to be victims of
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robbery seven times more likely to be victims of aggravated assault and 20 times more likely to be victims of
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sexual assault um and again this is before 2020 if anything these differences are probably more pronounced
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uh so it's important here to understand that uh that that to not stop crime is to actually victimize uh the poor this
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is luxury belief here's another luxury belief torching your own social capital over the last couple of years it's
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become trendy among cultural Elites to uh uh promote this idea of Burning Bridges social ties over disagreements
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over social or political views and if you're an upper upper middle class person if you're Highly Educated uh
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geographically mobile uh in all likelihood you can probably afford to burn a lot of social Bridges and in all
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likelihood you'll be just fine but if you're a person who lives at or near the margins of society uh it would be uh
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unwise to burn your relationships with friends families employers colleagues neighbors and so on and so expressing
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this luxury belief may make you look dedicated to your cause of choice uh but if this belief uh spreads throughout
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Society um this would this would uh have detrimental effects for uh people who are less fortunate but for me the luxury
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belief that has had the most wide ranging uh societal consequences uh has been uh the denigration of the two
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parent family so here a couple of headlines uh let's Call the Whole Thing Off the author is ending her marriage
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isn't it time you did the same uh and the nuclear family is no longer the norm good by the way I I don't mean to pick
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on the New York Times here I've written there and I've had friends who' have written there but but these are
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headlines that many cultural Elites these are ideas that cultural Elites believe should be introduced into
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society among the educated public uh to be implemented uh into culture and into policy so the erosion of the family
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structure so in N uh in 1960 95% of American children regardless of social class were uh raised by both of
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their parents uh and for the upper class for the upper 20% of Americans uh it dropped slightly by 2005 to 85% so it
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was 95% dropped slightly to 85% for poor and working-class Americans those in the
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bottom 30% it was 95% in 1960 and it plummeted to 30% by5 uh now if you visit working class
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Blue Collar communities in the US it is an anomal to see children raised by both
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of their parents um where I grew up I had five close friends in high school and of the six of us none of us were
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raised by both of our parents there was me raised in foster homes I had two friends raised by single moms one friend
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raised by a single dad I had another friend who was raised by his grandmother because his mom was addicted to drugs
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and his dad was in prison that is a pretty common snapshot of like what uh neighborhoods look like uh in poror and
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workingclass communities now now there's an element of duplicity here for this luxury belief in and some others as well
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which is when you ask college graduates about their opinions on family formation
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and family structure um only a minority only 25% of college graduates think couples should be married before having
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kids that's what they say um in other words 75% of college graduates either hold a neutral position or think that uh
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maybe they shouldn't be married before having kids but then what do they actually do well the vast majority of
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children born to college graduates are raised uh by two married parents uh only about one in 10 children uh born to a
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college educated mother is born out of wedlock uh so there's this mismatch between words and
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deeds and here you can see uh the sort of shocking rise and out of weblock births and this is primarily
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concentrated again among the poor and the working class it continues to rise so up until about 1920 it was below 5%
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it skyrocketed since 1960 it continues to climb so we're we're in unforeseen territory now where children in
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impoverished environments who could stand to benefit the most from two attentive parents are the least likely
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uh to have them and sometimes when I talk about the issue of the family people want to discuss the economics of
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this uh there was a study a few years ago which found that if you wanted to equalize life outcomes for children
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raised in single parent homes uh this uh would require a dist a redistribution of
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$59,000 a year to single parents to equalize educational and occupational outcomes for uh children to match those
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of of two parent uh families and I think this is an interesting study and I think
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uh economics shouldn't be downplayed but I think it does do uh highlight the sort
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of narrow way that many Elites think about family um one way to think about this is if you were to ask a child who
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has two attentive parents hey we're going to take one of your parents away but it's okay because we're going to
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give you $59,000 a year I think very few kids would accept that deal um there's more to life than just educational
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occupational outcomes uh there's a there's a sort of a blind spot here about the social and emotional penalties
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children receive when they don't have uh two parents available um so wrapping up
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here um luxury beliefs are the new status symbols ideas movements causes um P Board do in another one of his great
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books the forms of capital wrote the best measure of cultural capital is undoubtedly the amount of time devoted
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to acquiring it uh so only through the the process of going to an expensive University Len listening to the right
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podcasts reading the right books being immersed in the right environments knowing that you're supposed to say
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unhoused instead of homeless you know the updating your vocabulary these are ways for you to signify I'm a member of
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this upper segment of uh Society um in an interview a couple of years ago the NYU Professor Scott Galloway uh said the
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strongest brand in the world is not Apple the strongest brands are MIT Oxford and Stanford academics decided we
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no longer public servants were luxury goods these are the places where luxury beliefs are birthed people pay money
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they they convert their economic capital into cultural capital they learn the right opinions to express in these
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institutions uh but again luxury belief holders are often insulated from the consequences of their beliefs so as
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costly as these beliefs are to obtain for the affluent in terms of Downstream consequences they're even more costly
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for everyone else and I'll leave it at that pre-order my book thank [Applause] you you ended with something that um is
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is something that's very important to me that I that I talked to you about before
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which is um the destruction of the nule your family and the impact that has had on us Society um I think it's important
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to just expand a little bit more and I'll give you this provocative lead in which is talk about you know maybe LBJ
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and the Great Society and the war on poverty and you know there's a very famous website what the [ __ ] happened in
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1971. comom like all of this stuff just just discuss that again maybe in a little bit more detail for us well yeah
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I mean there has been a sort of this this backfiring effect I think um we we dis we we focus a lot we concentrate a
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lot on the economic circumstances of of families and how this may contribute to deprivation dysfunction negative
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outcomes for kids but um one thing that I've learned through reading a lot of Developmental and evolutionary
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psychology research some of the things that I write about is that childhood instability is is worse uh than
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childhood poverty for uh uh future outcomes uh so in terms of criminality or educational attainment um growing up
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in a very unstable environment is actually worse uh than than um uh impoverishment and even when you control
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for income um instability is still strongly associated with negative outcomes for kids in other words a kid
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who's raised uh by uh a rich family but say there's a lot of divorce and addiction and a lot of uh uh trauma in
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in that family environment that kid will grow up to most likely have worse outcomes than a kid who's raised in a
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poor family with two parents who uh prioritize attentive care and stability uh and so I think we yeah we Retreat to
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discussions of Economics because no one wants to talk about values no one wants to talk about family anymore I think the
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Great Society was kind of an example of this of oh we're going to solve this all
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through economics it's this kind of vulgar materialism uh when you know now we're seeing the the sort of uh
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Downstream consequences since since the late 60s yeah I mean the the data point that that may be shocking for some
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people is in you know black families as an example the economic incentive to not
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get married um on uh you know today dollar adjusted basis was like 92 ,000 to a black woman to not get married and
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have a child um explain what that means how that meaning like you know Lynden Johnson's welfare movement was about
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uplifting a lot of people but unfortunately it created these uh deep negative consequences that took years to
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build up through economics through economic incentives it was paying you to not be married and so what what happened
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people didn't get married and so it started to create these effects that have been compounding and and again in
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this weird way in which we work if you you have the right label you know like for example freeberg has made this
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statement but like you know we can't talk about how bad the inflation reduction Act is it's because it's
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called the inflation reduction act same way at LBJ you know it was this was the war on poverty and so all of a sudden
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you sounded like some you know um insensitive LTE if you're like well I'm against the war on poverty well no
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you're not who would be against that so we never really had a chance to talk about it um you know graem Allison
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actually had some points about this yesterday as well when we were talking the one we've talked about about Rob
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um the framing of um people who are homeless versus people who are addicted to drugs you know and this sort of why
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would you arrest somebody who is homeless and who is and they actually have a home and they're choosing to live
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on the street and and they have resources and we pay for this in San Francisco and the the issue here I think
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is in Framing and incentives because you actually get paid to come to San Francisco where we also have the lowest
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cost of deadly fentanyl I think there there's kind of a misunderstanding of how uh relationships and and societies
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often work often material Prosperity coincides with no longer needing to build relationships anymore or it uh
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sort of redirects uh the incentive structure such that you you no longer want to work or do certain things
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anymore um I mean it's funny when I when I talk to sort of more aflan Americans and and you know talk to them about
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what's going on with uh the the sort of what the underclass in in the US they'll
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suggest that a lot of these uh problems a lot of these communities are afflicted
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by by poverty but then when I travel to developing countries uh non-industrialized countries poor
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countries and and I talk to them about what's going on in the states they say that it's because America is too rich
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that's the problem you know you don't need to build relationships anymore I mean often if you visit I mean I was in
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I was in Malaysia recently and the you know the the poor neighborhoods there are you know they're far different than
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the poor neighborhoods that that I grew up in in terms of just sort of material uh um uh scarcity and yet um people know
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their neighbors they get married they take care of their family and their friends and a lot of this is because uh
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you know in America even if you're poor you're the material Prosperity is relatively higher than a lot of other
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countries and therefore you no longer need to build relationships quite as much as as you used to um there was a
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line in the New Yorker a couple of years ago uh sort of this this is a profile piece on poverty in America but one line
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that stood out to me was that um know before the Great Society being poor meant being hungry and now being poor
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means being on food stamps which isn't a pleasant thing to be on food stamps but
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it no longer means that you're actually starving the way that you would in the past so material prosperity and
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inequality mean something different now where does society go at the limit of all of
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this yeah I think one thing that we could do is um so so Melissa Kierney she's a professor of Economics at the
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University of Maryland she just released a book called the two parent privilege and she points out a lot of the sort of
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the economic issues and I think that's you know it's it's fine but I again I think that's kind of a narrow-minded way
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of looking at this but one thing that she points out that I really like is that Elites could do sort of more to to
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promote values to sort of what uh uh preach what you practice uh there are ways that we could just speak more about
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this I think a lot of a lot of people who agree with a lot of my writing and the things that I say their reluctance
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to express this publicly it's kind of you know one reason why they like me is because I'll say it but I think uh you
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one one sort of obligation or Duty you have if you are a fortunate member of society is to accept that you may take
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some slings and arrows for values that you know are good um you know if you've lived a fortunate life
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um that yeah there's there's that kind of niis ble that I think that we've we've lost if there's a message to folks
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here about how we should be telling other people what some of those High Lev values are what would you tell
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us to be promoting more that we don't I mean I think yeah the marriage attentive
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care for for children um I think that that is that is a big one um I mean it's really interesting when I talk about uh
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marriage a lot of people immediately pivot and they say well are you saying that it's bad to be a single parent are
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you trying to what denigrate single moms and this seems to be the only domain where people make this suggestion if if
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you say we should we should applaud college graduates no one ever says oh does that mean we're insulting people
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who didn't go to college is that what you're saying and no that's not what we're saying you can you can praise one
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thing and confer status on on an activity and that doesn't necessarily imply that you're trying to denigrate
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everyone else um so I think this is something that we could do focus more on sort of family uh uh early
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uh development issues uh for for young kids um again childhood instability is a far greater predictor than poverty and
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yet we we spend so much time talking about economics um where do you put some of these social
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movements that you know um now take up and occupy a lot of space in society um where do those fit in in this construct
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of yours yeah a lot of the movement cancel culture you know Etc like how do you how do you how do you bucket sort
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all that stuff I mean a lot of that is those are many of them are luxury beliefs um if you look at data uh in
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terms of self-censorship is one that I've that I've been been writing about and concentrating on if you look at the
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data for Americans who report self-censoring for fear of uh damaging their employment prospects or getting
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fired um it actually increases the more educational attainment someone has so for people who uh the highest level of
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education is a high school diploma about 25% of Americans say that they self-censor um whereas for people with
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college graduate or for for college degree it's 33% and then for people with postgraduate degrees it's 44% well
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because they have more to lose and they know and they can anticipate what's going to happen right because because
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cancel culture and all these things are actually worse we had this conversation with v on the podcast where I asked him
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because he's been very outspoken about his religious beliefs and I asked him a two-part question do you think there's
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anything wrong with being gay and then no and then hey what do you think of trans and and the fact that trans issues
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have become such a prominent issue in this election when it affects such a small number of people is perplexing
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well I think yeah moral movements often become intertwined with with status so for a long time there's the gay marriage
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issue and because you know I I I I I cited that the book on wasps you know if if a cause is abored by the bulgarians
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you know and and so for a long time that was the case with with gay marriage but
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then once uh um uh great you know the majority of Americans supported this cause I think a lot of Highly Educated
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uh activists decided to move on to this next issue and so there's there's just kind of you know any any time an opinion
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is at odds with conventional opinion it becomes more enticing to to promote because it signifies that you're not a
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commoner is that because of social media and is it waning some of it is I think because of
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social media um social media scales um right you you know you can't uh you can't punch a thousand people the face
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at once but you can get a thousand people to attack one person online all at the same time and damage their
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reputation uh so I think that does have uh something to do with it so people become afraid of expressing certain
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opinions um but but is it I mean I I don't think that it's going to I think we're sort of we are seeing a bit of a
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when you know some people call it the vibe shift it's it's slowly changing people are speaking more openly and
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criticizing cancel culture more um but I think part of the reason why it's dying
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is because a lot of people have already been cancelled uh you know well it's also so exhausting you know it's like
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really we're we're going to attack another person because their beliefs are slightly different and I think it's one
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of the things we've tried to do on the on the podcast is say hey let let's just have a conversation about these issues
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um and and be thoughtful about it and we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings but we do need to talk about some of
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these things in an intellectually honest way whether it's homeless whether it's black lives matter January 6 whatever we
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try to have an intellectually rigorous open-minded discuss discuss and it feels to me like that has started to tip over
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I I I see it very distinctly that you can only you know be cancelled for your opinion if you allow them to cancel you
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momentum is such that you try something for long enough when it eventually doesn't work you try something else I
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think Society has a resilient way of just doing that and so maybe people are realizing that cancel culture will not
00:27:53
solve the problems that they care about I think it's well said and there has to be a different way Robin in in the
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developed world does the rise of luxury beliefs give rise to the populist movements um I remember I would travel
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in the midwest a lot I work with farmers and Rural communities I would go out to
00:28:14
these rural communities I meet with farmers and there was always ridicule about how Californians were arguing
00:28:18
about the gender sign on bathrooms when their local conversation was can I make money this year and I hate being
00:28:26
dependent on the government and I would hear this everywhere I would go in rural
00:28:28
communities in the US and I was like Donald Trump's going to win I mean he's just he is the voice of this group um
00:28:38
but it seemed to me that that is what really triggered the sentiment for populism it's not just about not having
00:28:44
enough money but it's about seeing the inanity in some the view the perceived inanity of um these luxury beliefs uh
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from a group that that isn't afforded that luxury yeah well I think a lot of workingclass people can sense that you
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know many many members of that Elite segment of society don't really have their best interest in mind they can see
00:29:06
sort of it's it's not even just that they don't share your values they're sort of intentionally promoting values
00:29:10
that could undermine your your your communities and there is that kind of disain um and so yeah yeah just briefly
00:29:17
returning I think even even social media may actually be contributing to some extent I mean now people can go online
00:29:23
and just see how um yeah how how mentally Limited a lot of Elites are uh just by looking at their Twitter
00:29:31
profiles or the things that they say things that they write about whatever um uh Expressions that they have online and
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I think this is also sort of uh you know sort of behind the curtain moment of wow
00:29:41
exactly this is like that this is who's leading the country this is uh or this is who who leads the most prestigious
00:29:47
institutions uh and so yeah I think there is a there there's a bit of that uh as well can you talk about a little
00:29:52
bit um just back to family and marriage for a second you wrote something about um
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you know large numbers of sexual partners a sort of dating culture the hookup culture can you just tie those
00:30:04
two things together and one observation that I had and maybe it was because I read your stuff I then noticed that
00:30:10
there seems to be these small green shoots of people who are being celebrated from getting married quite
00:30:14
early now they tend to be stars but there is this interesting Trend uh and I thought wow this could be one of these
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things where you're now starting to model a very different set of choices when you're 23 and 24 where you know
00:30:27
nobody would have thought today you would get married at and this obsession with matchmaking and maybe a better way
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than swiping right would be to be thoughtful about uh the values your partner has yeah yeah I think there is
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an element of status here I mean when Tinder and a lot of the dating apps took off in around
00:30:43
2012 uh in 2012 most Americans didn't uh have have cell phones yet or or or smartphones rather uh but then now that
00:30:50
everyone has a smartphone and now that everyone's on the dating apps it has lost a bit of that exclusivity a lot of
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that sort of signifier of status and I think this is one reason why we're seeing a lot of a lot of affluent people
00:31:00
sort of uh shift back to trying to meet online um or or rather in person um to meet in person um and yeah I think uh
00:31:09
promiscuity all of these things I I had a friend um a couple of years ago who you know he told me uh you know Rob when
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I so so he was a student at a at an elite University and he said when I set my uh dating app radius to one mile just
00:31:22
right out right around the university um you know most of the the female profiles
00:31:26
he saw these were fellow students and and he said something like a third of them in the Bios they said you know I'm
00:31:31
you know poly or or casual or not looking for anything serious and then when he extended the radius uh to the
00:31:37
outskirts of the University which is a more sort of bluecollar area uh same age range you know you know was it 20 to 24
00:31:43
year old women or something he said that the majority of the women he saw were single moms uh and so sexual promiscuity
00:31:49
looks very different depending on uh your social class how much money you come from and and so
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on um okay uh we need to wrap you can follow Rob Henderson on uh Twitter and sign up to substack substack yeah well
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done Rob all right again David thank you thank thank let your winners [Music] ride we open source it to the fans and
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