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Friedberg: Two Reasons Why Drug Prices are So Expensive in America 📈 🫰

May 17, 2025 / 01:21

This episode discusses the inflated costs of prescription drugs, the role of pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs), and the federal government's impact on drug pricing.

The conversation highlights how the federal government, as a primary buyer, lacks incentives to keep drug prices low. The guest explains that if individuals paid for their drugs directly, the market would be more dynamic.

Key discussions include the role of major PBMs like CVS, Caremark, Express Scripts, and Optum RX, which are accused of generating excess profits through markups on specialty generic drugs. The guest mentions ongoing FTC investigations into these companies.

Furthermore, the episode critiques the ownership structure of PBMs, which can be owned by payers, leading to obfuscation of true drug costs. The guest argues that removing PBMs could address some pricing issues.

Overall, the episode emphasizes the need for a more efficient market without federal distortion in drug pricing.

TLDR

The episode critiques federal involvement and PBMs in driving up drug prices.

Episode

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As is the case with the cost of education and the cost of housing, the cost of drugs is largely inflated
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because of the federal government's role in being the primary buyer or capital provider to that market. Through our
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purchases of prescription drugs, the federal government as a buyer doesn't have any incentive to keep prices low.
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If every individual had to pay for their drugs or private insurance was the only
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way to get your drugs, we would have a much more dynamic marketplace. So, the way that we negotiate drug prices is
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pretty messed up. There's also this construct in the market. These PBMs are pharmacy benefit managers. If they got
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cut out of the market, it would save a lot. There's three major PBM, CVS, Caremark, Expresscripts, and Optum RX.
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They make money in markups. The FTC has been investigating them and have several
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open cases between 2017 and 2022. The estimate that these companies generated $7.3 billion in excess profit by marking
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up prices on specialty generic drugs. So as an intermediary, they provide this role where they can coordinate between
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the health insurer, the pharmacy, which dispenses the drugs, and the drug manufacturer, but they're allowed to be
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owned by the payer, which is crazy. And now they're allowed to be owned by the payer. And there's a lot of obfuscation
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of the true cost of the drugs. There's a lot of markups, a lot of spread. And so
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if you took the PBM out of the market, that would solve one of the problems. But at the end of the day, anytime the
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federal government is involved as a payer in any market-based system, it creates a distortion and the market is
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no longer free or efficient.

Episode Highlights

  • The Role of PBMs
    Pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) are making billions in excess profits through markups.
    “These companies generated $7.3 billion in excess profit by marking up prices on specialty generic drugs.”
    @ 00m 43s
    May 17, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • The way we negotiate drug prices is pretty messed up.
    Friedberg: Two Reasons Why Drug Prices are So Expensive in America 📈 🫰
  • It's crazy that PBMs can be owned by the payer.
    Friedberg: Two Reasons Why Drug Prices are So Expensive in America 📈 🫰

Key Moments

  • Drug Pricing Issues00:04
  • PBM Profits00:43
  • Market Distortion01:16