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here we go everybody hello Mr President great time I love that house he has I love David's
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house what a house that made the biggest impression huh than you sir I heard you
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have a pretty nice house too yeah I have a we're in a nice house we like it's only worth 18 million right we like I
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know the judge said 18 million people said Palm Beach has gone down a long way hello
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everybody let your winners ride Rainman David and instead we open source it to the fans and they've just G
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[Music] crazy thanks so much for sitting down with us Mr President the all-in pods
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basically the the four of us having conversations it's kind of a spectrum of different views we got sort of like a
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little bit of some Fox News and then some msdnc at the same time so oh that's okay keeps it interesting yeah
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absolutely anyway tamamo and I we we had a great time at the at the fundraiser that we did a couple weeks ago I think
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it turned out great turned out great and I I heard the winlos brothers are actually announcing that they're
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donating a million dollars each in Bitcoin to you tomorrow so I think that's a great result to come out of it
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as well yeah got to meet them for the first time at your house and terrific terrific they they did well they might
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have started the whole thing I don't know I don't know I don't know if that court case was proper but uh they were
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very nice both of them absolutely really nice guys you know and I think maybe this is a good place to start in our
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conversation is you know one of the things I think we heard a lot at that dinner was just the the difficulty that
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people in business were having under this Biden Administration you got the crypto guys who just want a framework
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they just want the government to tell them how to operate and they can't get that you got no m&a happening right now
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in Tech the real estate guys they can't get loans because the interest rates are
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through the roof and there's a credit crunch so I think one of the common themes we just heard across that dinner
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was that it was just so hard to do business right now and I guess maybe a good place to start would just be you
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know what what's the number one thing maybe the top three things that you would do to kind of get things moving
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again you know if you're reelected so I say regulation regulation and taxes okay
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you I gave the biggest tax cut in the history of our country a lot to business it took it down from look as you know
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they were paying people companies were paying 40% 45% including state and city taxes in many cases and we got it down
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to 21% would like to get it down lower actually but uh we got it down and the revenues were were better than ever even
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with the lower rate we had a record record revenues which tells you a little bit about that but also the regulations
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and when I asked a lot of people a lot of big people a lot of corporate types big corporate types I said if you had
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your choice between just the taxes or just the regulations where did I do better he said the regulations I was the
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biggest cutter of regul in four years I cut more regulations at anybody by four no by far not not even close and when I
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spoke to different people about the regulation versus the taxes I I don't think I've ever had anybody say and the
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taxes were a massive cut you know from 37 38% if you look at it just there to 21% I don't think I ever had anybody say
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that the taxes were more important than the regulation Cuts I made it possible to build I made it possible to do things
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to invest I was able to get uh companies with a lot of money outside of the USA to bring that money back in you know we
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cut the rate and it was crazy the rate was like 55% so that means if they bring the money back they lose half that money
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before they even start but it was also uh impossible from a standpoint a structural standpoint a legal standpoint
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it was very hard and they were able to bring back I mean Apple's an example they brought hundreds of billions of
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dollars back from other countries into the United States and invested it here so uh but it's it's very interesting
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because I ask the question all the time which was more important and almost everybody said I did an even better job
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and I got the biggest tax cuts the biggest tax cuts bigger than the Reagan tax cuts but they found regulations and
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the regulation Cuts were even more effective and that's where we had the great economy and that's where we had
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the most jobs ever produced so there's this odd thing that happens in certain states where taxes keep going up and
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then you start to see the states break right productivity breaks crime goes up and quality of life goes down but then
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people don't understand that taxation and all of those things are correlated do you have an idea of why that is like
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why don't people understand universally that lower taxation is better for productivity well they don't understand
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it and it's such an interesting question because you look at some of these places
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like Chicago and New York and and la and so many more you know I'd hate to even mention the three because there are
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worse examples than that you look at what's happened in Oakland and you look at what's happened into some cities that
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are disappearing I mean they're literally just crime waves that nobody lives there except for criminals because
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you can't live there you can't survive there physically you can't survive there and when you look at the kind of crime
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that we're talking about and then they take the power away from the police the police can't do anything if they do
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anything to stop it they end up losing their pension their house their family they end up losing everything they get
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put in jail and we're not talking about the Rogue cops who do something really bad and should be taken care of badly
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you know be nasty you got to be nasty to them also but mostly I mean they they these people they want to really like
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99% they want to stop crime they hate to see it they're not allowed to even they're told not to do anything when you
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see a department store that was so proud they opened up a new store in a certain
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city and all of a sudden this over the last couple of years has happened this phenomena where 500 usually young people
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walk into the store and take everything they have masks on they walk out with television sets air conditioners they
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walk out with everything this is a new phenomena that's taking place and it's it's incredible uh look at drugstores
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look at what's going on like in New York you walk into a chain I've seen it twice
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I don't walk into too many drugstores but I used to love it I used to love to walk around and just look at what it is
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whether it's a drugstore or department store but they told me just a little while ago I had a meeting with some
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people and they say you walk into a drugstore in New York and everything's covered up with bars and glass and if
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you want just a little thing of aspirin or if you want to buy a toothbrush you have to wait a half an hour to get a
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clerk and they open up this vault and they give you a toothbrush or they give you it's how do you do business like
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that this is a phenomenon there's never been anything like this they didn't used
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to have theft of of even the most minor items they they had very little theft relatively speaking they didn't have
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theft but they had the police would arrest them if they did something today they don't they have limits sometimes if
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you steal less than $2,000 you don't get arrested so nobody steals more than $2,000 uh it's incredible when you see
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what's happened to the quality of life in our country and it's happened so quickly it's it's taken place so rapidly
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nobody's ever seen anything but you look at retail and I know the big deal it used to be a big deal when a department
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store moved into a city or you know a certain store opened up even in a town but it's usually the Democrat run big
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cities where this problem is taking place and I don't say that as a republican I just say you look at the 25
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cities the top problems they're just about all Dem Democrat the Democrat run and they're also High tax High
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regulation States yeah no cash bail all all of these different things that have taken place they're phenomena it's a
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phenomena what's what's going on nobody's ever seen anything like it and it has to be stopped it's a horrible
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quality of life and on top of that you can't walk to a store you end up getting shot or mugged or something the level of
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crime in the cities in these big cities is is out of control nobody has ever seen anything like it Mr Mr President
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can I can I just ask on your point about the tax cut Larry Summers made a comment
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the other day and I thought maybe you could respond to his tweet that the tax cuts coupled with the tariffs that
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you've proposed would cause a massive I think he called it the mother of all stagflation where you would have kind of
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inflation because of the tariffs you would have economic decline because more money would start to fund an increase in
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prices with tax coming down tax cuts being put in place can you maybe just comment on on on
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the comment made by Larry Summers and how we Implement tax cuts without inflation well let me say that I respect
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Larry Summers a lot he's been right about a lot of things and Obama and Biden have been wrong uh certain things
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that he said turned out to be true certain things and uh he really I do have a good respect for him he's a
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different kind of a guy and he speaks his mind I happen to be a big believer in tariffs because I think tariffs give
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you two things they give you economic gain but they also give you political gain if if a country is out of control
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and something having nothing to do with economics or having nothing to do with with money coming in or money going out
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but other things that are very political because there are a lot of other things
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involved in countries you have tremendous power over a country now not everybody can say that but we can
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because we're the big piggy bank but our piggy bank is going to get smaller and smaller all the time because we're
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losing power we're losing a lot of you know countries on the dollar I mean they're going like flies if we ever lose
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that that's the equivalent of losing a war that would be unbel that would really make us third world we have lost
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so many countries I looked the other day so Russia's gone uh you you take a look
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Ukraine doesn't sort of exist in a sense nobody knows what's going on there but when you look at China is essentially
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gone they're trying to get out of it they want they're a primary competitor uh uh Iran is not there the other day I
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read weest Saudi Arabia is is willing to now go in various different currencies onstead of the dollar this is a tragedy
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this is a big thing that's happening against our country and we cannot let that happen with tariffs it gives you a
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tremendous power as an example not to let that happen you say you want to do that we're going to put tariffs on your
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product coming into the United States but more importantly and and that's a big importance but probably of more
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importance is they tax us we ask them reciprocal trade I think we should have a reciprocal trade act if China's going
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to charge us a $100 tariff or 100% tarff on a car then we should say you're got to pay 100% to us you know I put on a
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large tariff on China cars coming in and it had a huge impact a huge positive impact but and Biden only is doing the
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electric cars I don't know why that is because the electric cars they're going to end up all being made in China by the
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way they're not going to be made here the United Auto Workers are going to take a blow like no unions between that
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and people coming in pouring into our country uh unions are getting absolutely decimated absolutely president Trump the
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reciprocal the reciprocal Act is I think a very important thing when these countries and I don't mean just China we
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have other countries you could take the European Union they don't want our farm product and they don't want our cars and
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they don't want anything we have a massive deficit right there but you could go with many countries and they
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essentially do things to us and we should do things to them basically it should be reciprocal one of the things
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we've talked about President Trump on this podcast a lot is the deficit under your Administration we added close to 8
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trillion under Biden it's going to be paradoxically about the same number seems incredibly unpopular in Washington
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to cut costs but that's something we're going to need to do what's your plan and
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it looks like you're going to win a second term here what's your plan in your second term to control spending can
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you get it under control is there the will in Washington to allow how you to do that well the biggest thing I think
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is growth because we can grow our way out as an example we have more Liquid Gold under our feet I used the term we
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have more oil we have more Wells we have more everything than anybody else when I
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started we were number three now we're number one we were number one he's going to keep it that way until after the
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election if they ever won the election there's no more oil coming out there's no more oil they were going down oil is
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what caused the inflation you'd have nothing coming out it would be a disaster so
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they were intelligent enough to let the the oil wells continue to go they're not
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happy about it but if this election were won by them I can tell you right now you
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would be we would see oil go through the roof because they would really close it
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up already they're taking out of the Strategic reserves just for politics because they want to try and keep the
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prices down as low as possible but the big thing we have tremendous growth potential and we have tremendous numbers
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of dollars that can be saved through a efficiency the way we're spending money hundreds of billions of dollars what
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Biden did with with the trillions of dollars that he borrowed for Co now I had a different situation we were
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getting ready to start paying off debt we were getting ready to make a lot we had the greatest economy in history I
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had to throw a lot of money at Co in order that we didn't end up in a 1929 type depression which we could still end
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up in now because of what they've done but I threw a lot of money and we ended up not in a depression and
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then we ended up with a very strong you know we I ended up with a higher stock market than it was just previous to co
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coming in which was pretty much of a miracle according to most but we had to throw money out there in order to keep
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our country going we would have ended up if I didn't do that we would have ended
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up in a depression the problem is when Biden came in he took trillions and trillions of dollars for Co he didn't
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use it for Co he used it for other things but he took trillions of dollars out and that caused a lot of the
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inflation energy caused his energy policies caused inflation and his spending the The Unbelievable spending
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that they did caused inflation tremendous inflation and it's going to have an impact for a long time to come
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can you talk about your impoundment Authority intention you mentioned that in the past that you could go in and
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reduce the bureaucracy and the spend I always tell people my position going into the election is less that I'm
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interested in knowing what the government's going to do for me and I'm more interested in knowing what the
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government's going to stop doing that doesn't do any good for anyone and there seems to be a lot of that and I'm really
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curious to hear sir how you think about using the impoundment authority vested in you as president of the United States
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to reduce some of the bureaucracy wasteful spending and create accountability and what's you know is
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there a team that that you've built around you to help build a specific plan on backing out of some of these issues
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right we have a lot of money floating around that should be brought back into the government should be given back to
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DC to Washington as you know there was a lot of money given out over the last couple of years especially over the list
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my money was given out to help us with Co then they took money and they have no idea what they're even doing with it
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that money can be given back and it should be given back and things can be done with that money that are are
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positive but we have there are many many things I'll give you an example uh education we spend more on education per
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pupil than any other country we spend no numbers that are and yet we're we're terrible at it we're down at the bottom
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of the list and yet we're at the top of the list I would give I am going to very
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early in the administration we're going to send education back to the States we're going to give them approximately
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half the number of dollars and they're going to have so much money that like they've never had before because they
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can spend a fraction of what we're spending right now and have much better school systems as an example you go to
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very you could name many you go to Nebraska you go to Iowa you go to many states will do a far better job than
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we're doing right now and they'll do it for a fraction of the cost we'll save a tremendous amount of money and have
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better some states I don't believe will do a very good job but they can have to learn to but we have uh I would say most
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of our states will do a much better job I think all of them will do better than you can't do worse than what we're doing
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right now but all of them will do better but some will be absolutely education Factory in a positive sense
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factories we are going to close up education we'll have a tiny little group to make sure
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everyone's teaching at least English and perhaps proper math etc etc but very little Department of Education goes and
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education goes back to the States and where it belongs I mean where it absolutely belongs and you're going to
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save a lot of money uh you can look at interior with that you can look at uh environmental with a lot of that where
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the environment can be controlled by the states instead of this big bureaucracy in Washington DC I mean what do you do
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when China is burning all the coal and they're sending the co they're sending the ashes over the United States because
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that's what happens takes three and a half days and it blows over the United States in the meantime we're keeping
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things good we produce Clean Coal we're going to produce clean energy but we have to get back to energy we're
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spending trillions of dollars uh on artificial weak energy that's not going to to fire up our plants our plants have
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to be fired up we have a phenomena coming up right now and I was talking about it the other day to David and
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that's AI a little things simple two little simple letters but it's big and I realized the other day more than
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anything when we were at David's house and talking to a lot of geniuses from Silicon Valley and other places they
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need electricity at levels that nobody's ever experienced before to have to be successful to be a lead in AI the amount
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of electricity that needs like double what we have right now and even triple what we have right now they are they are
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it's incredible how much they need to be the leader and we're going to have to be
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able to do that and a windmill turning with its blade knocking out the birds and everything else is not going to be
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able to make us competitive you'll have China about what about what about nuclear Mr President yeah so let me just
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give you a statistic on this China building 150 nuclear reactors and they're only spending about $2,500 a
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kilowatt in the US we're not building any and our cost to build them is about $10,000 bucks a kilowatt and China's
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about to build as much capacity as 20% of the total us production in nuclear we clearly have a problem here in nuclear
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we do and uh nuclear is okay with me and what we're doing is you know if you look
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at Alabama you look at a couple of states where they built these plants and they had Coast overruns that are
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nobody's ever seen anything like it where they're costing 25 billion doll to build a plant there were a couple of
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them built in the South I won't mention the places but you know the places and they came out at numbers at I think the
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most expensive things ever built in our country and the inspectors would go in they say those walls aren't thick enough
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knock them down and build another wall and you know the environmental people were brutal you know in France and in
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other places where they do have a lot of nuclear they build small plants all the
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same and if they need double the amount they'll build two of them as opposed to the nonsense that we've done where we
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build these massive plants and they never get built and they have cost overruns of of 3 4 500% nobody's ever
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seen anything like it no I'm okay with nuclear but you have to do it in a way that makes sense and they they have
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nuclear applications today that can be built and can be built reasonably inexpensively but nuclear certainly is
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very strong power can I shift the conversation of foreign policy just for a minute just make sure we get we get
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time to talk about foreign policy is that okay with you guys yes Mr President I've really appreciated your your
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comment saying that you want to bring a peace deal to the war in Ukraine so that
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people stop dying and I wholeheartedly agree with with that sentiment but I've seen that Emanuel macron the president
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of France is talking about actually putting NATO troops or French troops in Ukraine as potentially a next step and
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that could be a trip wire for more NATO troops coming in can you guarantee that no matter what you're not going to put
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American boots on the ground in Ukraine is that something you can say definitively gu it I wouldn't do it no
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it's different for France you know they're neighbors more or less we have an ocean in between it's different for
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Germany although Germany's much less involved than they should be and other countries but uh you know we have a big
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ocean in between one of the things I think is so unfair David I think it's terrible is that we're giving probably
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we're at least a hundred billion dollars more than Europe meaning Europe as as a
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whole put together and the economies are similar size Believe it or not that put
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together and us is about a very similar economy size but it's much more important for them it's important for
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everyone you have to have look this would have never happened if I were president it would have never Putin
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would have never done it and it happened for two reasons it also happened because
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oil went through the roof and he had he had all this money to prosecute the war but the oil was at a much lower level
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the price of oil he wouldn't have been able to afford the war all of a sudden when it hit almost $100 a barrel he said
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you know I mean he he's one of the few to make money during a war because the oil has gone and it stayed very high
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it's extremely high right now and it's going up oil prices all over the country are going up as you probably have
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noticed but yeah I will tell you that would have never happened Ukraine would have ha never happened uh the Israeli
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attack would have never happened and inflation would have never happened those are three big things inflation
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would have never happened but with Ukraine and now it's very much uh look Ukraine is now I read the other day
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where they don't have the soldiers they don't have the Manpower they want to use
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uh children they want to use old people very old people people that are not really perhaps uh equipped to fight uh
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they're not the average age of their Soldier is like 43 now so they're running out of they're literally running
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out of people to make a peace deal there would you be willing to take NATO expansion off the table if that's what
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it took to get the Russians and the ukrainians to make a deal would you be willing to do that for 20 years I heard
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that NATO if Ukraine goes into NATO it's a real problem for Russia I've heard that for a long time and I think that's
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really why this war started I'm not sure that this war would have started uh Biden was saying all of the wrong things
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and one of the wrong things he was saying no Ukraine will go into NATO that's one of the many things he said
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when I listen to him speak I said this guy is going to start a war because as you know for four years there was never
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even talk of Russia going into to Ukraine that would have never happened Russia was not going to attack Ukraine
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as soon as I got out they started to form along the lines and I thought that Putin maybe will he's a good negotiator
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I thought he was going to be doing that for negotiation purposes then all of a sudden they attacked and I said what's
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going on here but if you look at the rhetoric from Biden uh he he was saying the opposite of what in my opinion you
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had to say the things he was saying and he's still saying it he's saying things that are so crazy inflammatory yeah I
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100% agree and you know it turns out that the month before the Russians invaded blinkin told lavro that the
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administration was not only going to bring Ukraine into NATO but that they thought it was okay for the United
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States to put nuclear weapons in Ukraine so no wonder the Russians hit the roof I
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mean you talk about uh provocation well let's say you were running Russia you wouldn't be too happy and that's always
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been off the table you know they're it's a border and it's always been you know I
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don't think that they would have if they thought that that was going to remain sort of a territory where you don't have
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NATO but they don't want to have soldiers right on their border they don't want to have it it's always been
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understood and that's even before Putin uh it's always been understood that that
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was a no no and now you can go against their wishes and it doesn't mean they're right when they say that but that was
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very provocative and now it's even more provocative and they're talking about uh
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I hear routinely they're now talking about Ukraine entering NATO and now I hear France wants to go in a fight well
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I wish him a lot of luck I think good luck sir can I ask you about Israel Palestine so after October 7th what's
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the right path to just resolve this once and for all and just move forward again
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it's so sad to me because it would have never happened Iran was broke they had no money I sanctioned countries that
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wanted to buy oil from Iran and I would have made a fair deal with Iran I was going to get along with Iran I was going
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to get along with everybody we did the Abraham Accords I think eventually Iran would have been in the Abraham Accords
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we had four strong countries go in and nobody went in since I got out that whole thing should have been loaded up
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right now would have it should have been full they did nothing with the Abraham Accords that everybody said were great
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they said we're going to get the Ultimate Prize because of that it was amazing if anybody else did it if a
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Democrat did it they would have they would have gotten what they would have gotten every prize in the book every
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prize in the book but I did it and it was a great thing that we did it was a phenomenal thing but when you look at
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what happened now and you see what's going on it's very very very very sad that attack would have never happened in
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a million years Iran didn't have the money for Hamas they didn't have the money for Hezbollah they didn't have the
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money for any of the 28 other cells of Terror or whatever you want to call them Iran was broke I say respectfully they
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had no money and they weren't given money and actually it was a big story when I was uh toward the end of my term
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there was a lot of big stories that there was no Terror going on because Iran didn't have the money they had to
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survive we would have made a deal good for everybody everybody would have been happy the main thing is Iran can't have
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a nuclear weapon that was my main thing the deal was a simple deal Iran can't have a nuclear you know it can't have a
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missile can't have a nuclear missile it cannot have that nuclear capability other than that we talk about
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everything they would have been very happy it would have been fine and you would have had peace in the Middle East
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the problem is I had them at a point where you could have negotiated a child could have made a deal with them and
00:27:10
Biden did nothing he did nothing a child he doesn't like to negotiate a young man
00:27:16
that knew nothing or a young woman that knew nothing in kindergarten could have made a deal with Iran at that time
00:27:22
because they wanted to make a deal and Biden never took advantage of it now they put back no sanctions all of the
00:27:29
different things that they gave them China buys billions and billions of dollars of oil every month many billions
00:27:35
of dollars a month other people are buying so Iran now has $250 billion cash they made it all in three and a half
00:27:44
years and now they're much tougher to deal with and I will tell you I got along great with Kim Jong-un we solved
00:27:51
that problem but nobody was in danger but this is a big problem this is a real problem and within 90 days or so they're
00:27:57
going to have and could have very well a nuclear weapon and Israel is a big is a
00:28:03
big difference in Israel between Iran with a nuclear weapon and Iran without a nuclear weapon and lots of luck in that
00:28:10
negotiation that's going to be a much more difficult negotiation president Trump uh I wanted to ask you a question
00:28:16
about uh roie Wade you promised uh your base that you would overturn roie Wade you added three people to the Supreme
00:28:23
Court and you delivered on that promise this might be the issue that determines the election and many people believe it
00:28:29
is are you going to do a National Abortion ban would you support that yes or no so uh I don't need a national ban
00:28:37
because it's up to the states right now what I did is something that people have
00:28:41
wanted to do for from day one 51 years that's been going on and if you remember over the years you're too young but over
00:28:49
the years all they wanted to do is they wanted to make take it out of the federal government and move it into the
00:28:55
states and I got that done with the selection of three great justices I got it done and it was a big thing but I
00:29:02
will say over the last 10 years or maybe a little bit more than that they started
00:29:06
talking about the number of weeks and this and that a lot of different subjects came in it was no longer just
00:29:11
simply bringing it back every legal scholar from Democrat to Republican liberal conservative they all wanted it
00:29:19
brought given to the States because from a legal standpoint from a lot of other standpoints including even a moral
00:29:26
standpoint they wanted it brought back to the States and what I did is I got it back to the States and now the states
00:29:34
are in charge and the people are voting and some votes are coming out the way certain people wanted and some votes
00:29:41
aren't coming out the way certain people wanted I mean if you look at Ohio I would say it was a more liberal vote
00:29:47
than people would have thought and you could say that for Kansas and then you look at Texas it was a different story
00:29:53
but the people of the states have got that issue now and they voting and the one thing that we have to remember that
00:30:01
there's been a lot of radicalism talked about and the radicalism is really on the left because they're willing to do
00:30:07
abortions in the eighth and ninth month month and even beyond that I mean we have some people the governor take a
00:30:14
look at the governor of Virginia the former governor of Virginia where he talked about we will kill the baby after
00:30:21
the baby is born that's a very radical stance and hopefully that's all going to be taken off the table now but just to
00:30:28
put it simply it's now up to the states and like Ronald Reagan I'm a Believer in
00:30:33
the exceptions the three exceptions as you know and rape incest life of the mother uh the danger for the life of the
00:30:40
mother and we have uh a situation now where it's in the state's hands and the states are going to be uh voting the
00:30:48
last thing people want the people are going to be voting the last thing people want is for that to go back into the
00:30:54
federal government it was always fought and very importantly and people wanted it they wanted it back in the States
00:31:01
where it belongs legally and for a lot of other reasons so you wouldn't support a national ban no I wouldn't support a
00:31:07
national ban no I would not just shifting back to foreign policy for a moment Mr President on the relationship
00:31:14
with China it's funny how Democrats and Republicans seem to have a unified voice
00:31:18
and banging the drums on the the rise of China do you think that war with China is inevitable and if not how do we avoid
00:31:28
it I think it's not inevitable I think it's unlikely uh I know president XI very
00:31:34
well and we got a long grade until Co then I wasn't so happy with them because they gave it to us I said it came from
00:31:39
the Wuhan lab I was right about that uh they said then it started in Italy and then it started in France it started
00:31:46
everywhere but there but it started in China and it was a uh many many millions of people died all over the world and
00:31:54
cost the world probably $60 trillion which is more money than China has and more money than anybody has the death
00:32:01
and Destruction has been unbelievable but I think it's I think it's high if you have the right president uh we can
00:32:09
live at peace with China we can do very well with China compete with China but we don't have the right president right
00:32:15
now he's not respected by China he's being laughed at by China and he's a Manchurian Candidate I mean he's
00:32:21
received money from China his family and that makes him to me uh somebody that shouldn't be negotiating he's got a
00:32:27
conflict of interest uh but no I don't see war with China as being inevitable at all president Trump do you think that
00:32:35
fouchi and our government funded gain of function research and do you think we should really be pursuing the
00:32:42
investigation deeply into that and if we did fund gain of function research what
00:32:46
does that say about our government and taking ownership of it because a lot of us lost a lot of years kids didn't go to
00:32:54
school and uh it caused economic damage as you pointed out earlier the amount of
00:32:59
money you had to spend to try to avoid a depression was really severe and if we funded that what does that make you
00:33:06
think about our government and then fouchy covering it up if that is in fact true what does that make you think about
00:33:12
our government so if you remember I'm the one that stopped it and I stopped it maybe for a lucky reason or an unusual
00:33:19
reason I said why are we paying money to China it wasn't about gain of function or anything else it was why are we
00:33:25
paying money to China China's got a lot of money and they're doing fine you know we're
00:33:30
considered like uh they want us to consider them a growing Nation a a nation in distress all sorts of things
00:33:38
because they always take advantage of every treaty by saying that they need you know they're uh an improving Nation
00:33:45
I heard the other day they have all different terms for changing but they're a growing Nation well we're a growing
00:33:51
Nation too We're a nation that's becoming a third world nation based on what we're seeing but I was the one that
00:33:57
sto St that when I saw that I was the one that stopped that uh the fouchy thing is an interesting phenomena uh
00:34:04
he's a much I was not a big fan of his as you know he said no let everybody come in from China I overrode him on
00:34:11
that I overrode him on a lot but he wanted the people from China when I heard about this I stopped it we had a
00:34:18
room loaded up with people and nobody could even believe it but I stopped it we would have lost hundreds of thousands
00:34:24
of people more maybe more much more maybe over the the millions but hundreds of thousands of people more had I not
00:34:31
stopped people coming in from China did he lie to you about the origin of Co well I've always said the origin was uh
00:34:39
you know where it came from where it originally came from was the Wuhan lab I happen to think it escaped from the
00:34:44
Wuhan lab I mean I don't believe it came from uh the bats and 2,000 miles away caves I don't believe it came from other
00:34:52
countries as China tried to convince people it did uh I thought it should have been called the China virus because
00:34:58
it was a very much more accurate term than Co nobody knows what Co even means why is it co uh but uh no I was always
00:35:06
uh but did fouchi lie to you I guess is what the American people want to know did fouchy lie to you and if he did
00:35:11
should he be prosecuted I don't think uh I dealt you have to understand fouchy was a much bigger factor in the Biden
00:35:17
Administration than he was in the Trump Administration I didn't rely on him that
00:35:21
much cuz I didn't trust him uh I would say got along with him fine not really but I didn't trust him and again I was
00:35:31
the one that stopped the money going to China I didn't like it I didn't stop it because of covid I didn't stop it
00:35:37
because of anything other than why are we paying money to China it was strange they should pay us money we shouldn't
00:35:44
pay them money one of the things I can tell you the World Health Organization so we pay them almost $500 million and
00:35:53
China pays him $39 million and so I got out of the world World Health Organization they did absolutely nothing
00:36:00
they called it totally wrong I got out they called me and they said we'll do anything to keep you in anything
00:36:06
anything I said well why are they paying 39 million we're paying almost 500 million and they said well we'll work
00:36:12
out a deal where you could pay much less I said well now you're starting to talk
00:36:17
but even that it was very popular when I got out it was a very politically it would have been very hard to go back in
00:36:23
people were thrilled that I got out I could have made a deal to go in for $30 million they offered me a deal to go in
00:36:29
for 39 million and I actually turned it down I said you know it should be a third it should be if you look at we're
00:36:35
350 million and they're at 1.4 billion people right so it should have been 25% or less than that but I didn't want to
00:36:42
quibble but I could have gone back in immediately for $39 million as opposed to 500 then a a horrible horrible election
00:36:52
which helped destroy our country took place in 2020 and they went back in and they're paying more than $5500
00:37:00
million and they knew I could have made a deal now it's a lot of money not when you talk about the world but it's still
00:37:07
a lot of money and it but it shows you the stupidity of the whole thing they could have made a deal for 39 million
00:37:14
instead they're paying much more than they paid even before and that's the way the mindset of our country is and here's
00:37:21
the big part China totally controls the wh China totally controls them we have very little control over them and now
00:37:31
they want to give control over our whole country to them which would be a terrible mistake fouchi brings up sort
00:37:37
of the kind of deep State personality that you talked about in 2016 that's kind of like riddled all over the
00:37:43
government how much progress do you think you made and how what do you want to do if you become president in
00:37:48
November and do you have goals around the Deep State this time around and what are they well I have a lot of things I
00:37:54
mean I did a lot of things in the FBI I fired a lot of of their top people including Comey who's terrible at what
00:38:00
he did a terrible person and terrible at what he did uh I fired mcab and you know
00:38:06
I don't have to go through Lisa and struck in all of the the lovers and I fired the whole group of people I got
00:38:13
rid of them and uh and you know so many of the agents are so incredible in the FBI down below but uh we got rid of a
00:38:20
lot we uh you take a look at the World Health again we got out of the World Health we got out of the this is a
00:38:27
similar thing that you know this is really similar to your answer but we got out of the World Health Organization
00:38:32
which was a tremendous thing we got rid of the Paris Accord the Paris Accord was
00:38:38
a disaster for us we were going to pay a trillion dollars and other countries were paying nothing Russia was paying
00:38:45
nothing China was paying nothing it didn't even kick in for China until 2030 whereas with us it kicked in immediately
00:38:52
so I got rid of the Paris Accord I did a lot of things having to do with not only
00:38:57
people but tremendous amounts of money because the Paris Accord was so unfair and I said you know when I do this
00:39:06
people are not going to like it but I have to do it because it's right people loved it the public understood it they
00:39:12
loved it and now they've gone back into the Paris Accord at the same terms and even worse than the terms I got out it's
00:39:19
really a shame it's so many things it's so sad to see so many things I mean the wh the Paris Accord you take a look at
00:39:27
the things they could have gone back if they wanted to go back if they had it they could have gone back for a fraction
00:39:33
of what they were doing and they're very unfair to the United States we're like a
00:39:37
lap dog for every other country Mr President I I know you've running out of time here so but we haven't had a chance
00:39:43
to for you to speak to the Border situation yet so I want to give you a chance to to address that because that's
00:39:48
always been really one of the your main issues since all the way since 2016 you wanted to build a wall the Democrats did
00:39:55
everything they could to thwart that you built the the wall but then Biden left a
00:40:00
bunch of holes in it and then sold off the parts for scrap metal and now we've had the pro and repealed your executive
00:40:05
order so I want to give you a chance to speak to that just but one piece I want to just add in uh as a follow-up
00:40:10
question is a lot of tech CEOs say uh if we fix the Border can we get more h-1bs
00:40:16
for Tech workers so can you address that as well as what's going on at the border
00:40:21
yes so uh we built hundreds of miles of well David as you know and uh we're very
00:40:25
proud of it we did it as per specification by the border patrol they wanted exactly the wall that we did with
00:40:30
the climb paddle on top with steel concrete and then rebar and all of the things that they wanted they wanted to
00:40:36
have Vision through it clearly through it and because I thought about concrete plank frankly going up 40 or 50 feet and
00:40:43
they they didn't like that they wanted to have Vision through and I understood that too uh I sort of disagreed with it
00:40:50
but that's okay we actually brought climbers in Mount Everest climbers to climb and and we built a very hard wall
00:40:56
to climb it's it's a very effective wall uh and we built uh hundreds of miles and
00:41:02
then we were going to add quite a bit at the very end and we we bought about 200
00:41:08
additional miles and it was ready to be put up could have been put up in three weeks maybe four weeks and areas that
00:41:16
were rough areas that were people coming in because as you build the wall they go
00:41:20
in different areas right they go further out uh the it was so effective it was so
00:41:26
effective Mexico gave us a lot of troops for free because of a certain negotiation that I had with them you
00:41:32
heard that but it was so effective the wall but Biden they didn't want to put up those slats that were going up
00:41:40
routinely by us that means you had gaps you had as an example you had gates in certain area that we put up we were
00:41:48
going to put up big powerful Gates that we could open and uh you could let equipment through etc etc if you needed
00:41:54
it and they got rid of of everything they sold it for 5 cents on the dollar much of it 5 cents on the dollar I said
00:42:03
I can't believe it and that's the first time that I said they're serious they actually won open borders they won an
00:42:08
open border nobody could believe it I couldn't believe it because I never believe they wanted an open border
00:42:14
because who would be stupid enough to want an open border look what's happened with an open border I was very proud of
00:42:19
that we built we had the safest Border in the history of our country and now we have the worst Border in the history of
00:42:24
the world we had a safe border I had a in Mexico policy uh catch and release in Mexico not in the United States
00:42:32
everything was so good but the remain in Mexico is a big deal not easy to get but
00:42:37
it was a big deal they were in Tiana hundreds of thousands of people they had to be approved to come into our country
00:42:43
and now you look at what's happened we've been overrun it's an invasion of our country by people many people come
00:42:50
out of jails and prisons they come out of mental institutions insane asylums and we have terrorists coming into our
00:42:56
country at a level that we've never seen before it's a very sad I never understood why the wall was so
00:43:02
controversial you know every country needs to have a border and a wall is a really good way to enforce a border I
00:43:07
never understood why they were so animated about stopping you from building the wall after you ran on that
00:43:14
issue in 2016 they held you up for years with litigation and then like you said they wouldn't just finish the little
00:43:20
pieces of it and they left big holes in it and I think you're right the only conclusion is they want an open border I
00:43:26
mean how else do you expose like that they want to destroy our country you know the fact is it's it's incredible
00:43:32
the big mistake I made I should have said I will not build a wall we do not want a wall and that wall would have
00:43:40
gone up in 15 minutes the more important point I think Mr President is we need high-skilled workers in this country we
00:43:49
need to recruit the best and brightest from the world every time we get somebody super intelligent from India or
00:43:55
Europe any country that's immigrant sir yeah and three of the four here are immigrants um the ones without the tithe
00:44:01
and we can get these great people into our country and that's a loss for our adversaries and our competitors and it's
00:44:08
a gain for us but I've never heard you talk about this can you please promise US you will give us more ability to
00:44:16
import the best and brightest around the world to America I do promise but I happen to agree that's why I promise
00:44:21
otherwise I wouldn't promise let me just tell you that it's so sad when we lose people from Harvard MIT from the
00:44:29
greatest schools and lesser schools that are phenomenal schools also and what I wanted to do and I would have done this
00:44:35
but then we had to solve the covid problem because that came in and you know sort of dominated for a little
00:44:40
while as you perhaps know but what I want to do and what I will do is you graduate from a college I think you
00:44:47
should get automatically as part of your diploma a green card to be able to stay
00:44:51
in this country and that includes junior colleges too anybody graduates from a college you go in there for two years or
00:44:57
four years if you graduate or you get a doctorate degree from a college you should be able to stay in this country
00:45:02
and you know more stories than I do but I know of stories where people graduated
00:45:07
from a top college or from a college and they desperately wanted to stay here they had a plan for a company a concept
00:45:14
and they can't they go back to India they go back to China they do the same basic company in those places and they
00:45:21
become multi-billionaires employing thousands and thousands of people and it could have been done here and a big
00:45:27
example is you they you need a pool of people to work for your companies you have great companies and they have to be
00:45:33
smart people not everybody can be uh less than smart you need brilliant people and we force the brilliant people
00:45:40
the people that graduate from college the people that are number one in their class from the best colleges you have to
00:45:46
be able to recruit these people and keep the people it was such a big deal somebody graduates at the top of the
00:45:52
class they can't even make a deal with a company because they don't think they're
00:45:55
going to be able to stay in the country that is going to end on day one that's fantastic yeah that's great well I think
00:46:02
we all wholeheartedly agree with that being being in the being in the tech industry we we understand the importance
00:46:07
of that they're telling us that you have to go to den president so thank you so much for spending so much time with us
00:46:11
we really appreciate it it's been great having this conversation Sor I'm sorry I
00:46:15
have to ask I have to ask one question sir when you got elected in 20 in the 2016 election you said the first thing
00:46:22
or one of the things you wanted to do was release the JFK file and then you said later I saw it and I just I wasn't
00:46:29
really ready to do it and then I saw a clip where you changed your mind and you said I think we're ready to see this
00:46:35
file and I'm just curious what's in it what us right what happened like what I actually did do it uh I released a lot
00:46:45
as you know but when it came to the whole thing I was hit by some people that worked for me that are great people
00:46:51
that you would respect and they asked me not to do it and I'm saying why tell me
00:46:55
why and they said sir I think it needs a little more time and I released a lot but I said if they feel so strongly I
00:47:03
respect the people and would would have done that again but this time I'm just going to do it RFK says the CIA killed
00:47:11
his his um uncle do you believe that well this wasn't CIA that asked me but I think CIA was probably behind it but
00:47:17
they didn't they would have preferred that I not release the rest of it so we we did give quite a bit uh it's going to
00:47:25
be done early on a lot of people people want to see that and whatever it may say
00:47:30
I won't say I sort I have an idea but uh whatever it is it'll be very interesting
00:47:35
for people to see and we're going to have to learn from it promise US you'll come back again Mr you know there are
00:47:40
other things we're going to release too we're going to release really like what what else do you got we'll talk to you
00:47:45
about it off camera aliens by the way I generally speaking and there are reasons not to release
00:47:52
certain things obviously but I gener you know it's transparency and I think it's
00:47:57
important that we release that and there are other things too there are other things that you know about but people
00:48:03
more than anything else they want the JFK files we're going to release that immediately you have a prediction for
00:48:07
the debate next week what's going to happen well all I can say is this I watched him with Paul Ryan and he
00:48:13
destroyed Paul Ryan Paul Ryan with the water he was chugging water at a left and right I didn't think a human being
00:48:18
would be able to drink so much water at one time and he beat Paul Ryan so I I'm not underestimating him I'm not
00:48:25
underestimating him it is what it is uh we'll see what happens but you take a look at the last one uh I happen to
00:48:33
think he's incompetent for a lot of reasons I think he's incompetent because he has gotten the worst policies both
00:48:41
foreign policy and internal policy I mean who would not want to have a wall who wants to have millions of people
00:48:47
pouring in who wants to have high taxes you know taxes are going to raise by four times if this guy has his plan is
00:48:54
he in cognitive decline do you believe he's in cognitive decline well I I shouldn't be the one to say that but I
00:48:58
don't think he's doing particularly well but I didn't think he was well 25 years
00:49:02
ago I thought he was not a smart person and that was told to me by a certain member of the Kennedy family who was
00:49:08
actually very friendly with me through a Palm Beach relationship and I was told that very strongly but so I was never a
00:49:16
fan of his but I will say he beat uh he beat Paul Ryan who was still years ago but he beat Paul Ryan pretty badly and
00:49:24
uh I assume he's going to be uh somebody that will be a worthy debater yeah I would say I think I don't want to
00:49:31
underestimate him all right I think that's smart well your your your team is telling us that uh they need you to go
00:49:38
to a dinner Mr President obviously we could keep going for hours and hours but it's been great to we
00:49:43
could uh but it's been great to great to have you for the last hour here and it's
00:49:47
been great to getting to know you with the the dinner that we did and we hope that you'll come back on our show
00:49:52
podcasts are getting bigger and bigger so hopefully in your second term you'll come on here uh and uh talk to us again
00:50:00
you think Biden would do this interview I don't think absolutely not absolutely lost one question I don't think doing
00:50:08
these interviews so it's an honor to be with you all very good question we appreciate it sir thank you very
00:50:13
appreciated very much sir thank you very thank you sir there you have it wow that
00:50:17
was some hour boys what do we think let's do a wrap up huh got do do a little wrap
00:50:24
here jcal what are your what are your big takeaways well I'm undecided as you know
00:50:31
we we had a limited amount of time with him and obviously just say it just say it you like him you didn't you were just
00:50:37
say it just say it because it's written all across your face just say it you like him you're confused have some crush
00:50:43
your questions no he crushed your questions ad you asked great questions and he just
00:50:48
dealt with them headon just admit it you like him you like him look at him I do like the fact that on the I
00:50:57
told you youd like him I told you you'd like him this is my point whether you whether you come out of wanting to vote
00:51:03
for the president or not sure everybody needs to I think just sit in a room and just hear him out if you're if you if
00:51:10
you want me to answer the question what I'll say is there there are some blockers I have that we didn't get to
00:51:14
January 6th obviously I did you know one of the blockers I have is obviously roie
00:51:18
Wade and I think he handled that question really well and I think we may have gotten a little bit of breaking
00:51:24
news there in terms of him saying he would not do the national ban and I think that's a big concern people have
00:51:31
and I think that's maybe the issue according to a lot of experts I'm sorry to sound like Trump for a lot of experts
00:51:37
people believe that could be the deciding issue uh of the election and so I think he handled it really well by
00:51:43
saying the states are going to choose and he's not going to do the federal B exemption he was very unequivocal about
00:51:49
that really clear that he would not do a national ban really clear that the states would decide and furthermore he
00:51:54
understood that the states are deciding there's been a bunch of referenda at the
00:51:57
state level and they are generally coming out at on the pro-choice side and he indicated that he understood that
00:52:03
some of the votes are not turning out the way the people people want right 80% of people
00:52:09
he's going to respect democracy he's going to respect democracy on that issue yeah so I think he he nailed that that
00:52:16
question I think he was very definitive about Ukraine not entering NATO and I think he was very definitive about an H1
00:52:26
B policy that's Pro productivity and immigration that was the part I like best if I'm being giving grads green
00:52:32
cards that's like such a that's breaking news too by the way I think we elevated
00:52:36
the discussion about immigration beyond the wall and into recruitment which is what I have been trying to do on this
00:52:41
podcast for a couple years here now so to hear the president say I will do that for you because I want that that to me
00:52:48
was padle and you know there's a lot of things I agree with them on and the January 6th stff we didn't get to so
00:52:53
apologies to the audience on that I know a lot of people have feelings about but
00:52:56
you know you can only get so much from 50 minutes of interview I think he did a great jend the whole town hall on that
00:53:01
issue I mean quite frankly I felt like we dealt with a lot of substance here so but chamath I agree with you he was
00:53:06
really clear on Ukraine he went further than he has in the past in the past he said that he'll get a peace deal very
00:53:11
quickly and that he wants the people to stop dying but in this interview he went
00:53:15
further he said that if France or other European countries send in troops the US
00:53:20
definitely will not participate in that we are not going to send American boots on the ground the Biden Administration I
00:53:25
don't think has said that definitively the way that President Trump said it moreover he understood that a major
00:53:32
cause of the war was the desire to bring Ukraine into NATO and I've never heard I've never heard anyone in the
00:53:41
administration say that and he went further and said they keep saying these provocative things about you know even
00:53:46
now they keep repeating that Ukraine's going to be part of NATO so he understood he understood the provocation
00:53:52
there fre what's your take on him you haven't come out and said who you're voting for but this is your first time
00:53:57
interacting with them I'll be it for 50 minutes in a group setting but what are you what's your it's a diff it's a
00:54:03
difficult Forum because we can't go deep and ask responsive questions and we don't have a lot of time and there's
00:54:07
four of us trying to ask questions so the format is a little difficult to get to the heart of the matter on on some of
00:54:12
these complicated topics like federal spending two hours debt yeah and and I think you need to just be able to like
00:54:19
hone in on the question you know his response on how are we going to reduce kind of the bureaucratic overhead and
00:54:25
the wasteful spending and ederal government and he kind of pivoted to the Department of Education that's 3% of the
00:54:30
federal budget I want to talk about the rest of it and you know we're at it took
00:54:33
us 200 years as a country to add a trillion dollars to our federal debt to go from zero to a trillion and now we're
00:54:40
adding a trillion every 100 days and it's going to take a lot more than just one to three% cuts and spending to get
00:54:47
us out of the you know the spiral that we're in I also am concerned very um I think very rightly so and I think he
00:54:57
acknowledges the concerns that were mentioned by Larry Summers that tariffs plus tax cuts could lead to uh serious
00:55:04
inflation and economic contraction those are really difficult things to do together unless you have a very clear
00:55:12
plan for massively cutting spending at the federal level so I don't feel like I got to the heart of the matter on those
00:55:17
points and as you guys know that's what I care so deeply about I think we need to fix the machine to be able to do the
00:55:23
things we want the machine to do over time and I'm I'm very deeply worried worried about that you know I had a
00:55:28
couple reactions to that so number one is I thought it was interesting how he reacted to the question about Larry
00:55:34
Summers because he knows Larry Summers and he actually said several very comp things towards him so he may not agree
00:55:40
with him on everything but he said that Larry had gotten a bunch of things right
00:55:44
and he's an interesting guy and and Larry did get the inflation call right remember at the very beginning right of
00:55:50
the Biden Administration so it was interesting I thought that President Trump handled that question very TCT I
00:55:56
think it's not like was looking to attack anyone anything like that do we really buy he's going to do this tariff
00:56:01
thing anyway like it seems like that's a bit of pandering maybe to the voter base
00:56:05
it sounds like a great solution right but I don't think he's gonna do it once the economic advisers get together and
00:56:11
look at the analysis on what this will do to costs of things inflation will go up Etc you know maybe there's a rethink
00:56:17
ultimately on how that's implemented and on what particular slices of the economy
00:56:21
it's implemented so I'm sure as you point out it probably gets toned down for this to you know to even become a
00:56:26
reality it seems just on the on the second piece on the the deficit you know J you asked a pretty tough question
00:56:32
there where you basically said look you're your def the debt has grown as much under your first term as it do
00:56:38
under Biden remember that the 8 trillion or something I me it's almost exactly going to be the same 6.5 to date from
00:56:44
Biden 7.8 trillion but I think he had a pretty good answer which was that look at the first year of covid we were
00:56:50
dealing with you know a depress a potential depression I don't if you mentioned that the economy GDP was down
00:56:57
30% yeah he talked about 1929 yeah yeah exactly so he basically explained that we had to do that but then after that we
00:57:05
shouldn't have kept going and I do think that Trump is just not as big a spender
00:57:10
as Biden I mean look Biden's been in Washington for 50 years he thinks government's the answer for everything
00:57:15
he loves spending money and he spent trillions on covid even after we didn't need to so I get the sense that Trump
00:57:22
was a reluctant spender I'm not saying he didn't spend but where as Biden I think is a eager spender and yeah I I
00:57:31
think any wants to spend because it's popular I just think it's their nature I think if Trump had the power by himself
00:57:38
to Reign and spending I think he would I think the issue is that the president by
00:57:42
himself can't do that much which is what my follow-up question was right I was trying to ask him like can you actually
00:57:47
do it as president or not like is there the wherewithal to do it I think the other aspect I wanted to see I'm really
00:57:53
glad he talked about dollarization and I he mentioned it upfront and so that to me really
00:57:59
resonated it really Rings true to the effect of us spending US foreign policy so much of this is driving and I'm
00:58:07
concerned about right driving the Saudis into the arms of the Chinese and and other foreign adversaries to the United
00:58:13
States and I would have really liked to have spent a little time with him on the
00:58:16
Saudi relationship where he sees that headed how the Saudi relationship will affect the Middle East and how the Saudi
00:58:22
relationship could affect the US dollar and and dollar reserves around the world
00:58:27
but I think he's acutely aware of dollarization and uh foreign reserves in dollars being sold down and that the
00:58:34
there are serious effects to that I didn't hear a followup on like what the specific responses will be uh you know
00:58:41
to to the drivers there which I I would have loved to Spent A Little More Time On what do you think will be the viral
00:58:46
moments to come out of this if any what do you think the mainstream Media or social media will take from this any
00:58:51
moments you think we breaking news or notable well I think think there's a lot of clarity on a couple of important
00:58:58
points one is no federal ban on abortion I think that that's important news for a
00:59:03
lot of people the second is this Clarity on h-1bs which is very different from what has to be done at the border and I
00:59:11
think that was very clear and new and I think it's very positive for our community meaning the tech absolutely
00:59:16
yeah that's why I push we need that Clarity because we're trying to hire these people and we are losing them
00:59:22
every day and then the third was I think Clarity on NATO was also very definitive
00:59:30
and I think that that's important the fourth which was an implication of what he said which is a little depressing is
00:59:38
I think there's a lot of us that want to see this Israeli Palestine conflict resolved and I think what he's saying is
00:59:47
we can't because we've let the genie out of the bottle we have an adversary now with a quarter of a trillion dollars of
00:59:52
excess cash who has no incentive to negotiate Iran that's on so that's really depressing and then the fifth one was
01:00:01
around this JFK thing I the reason why I asked the JFK question is not necessarily that I have a specific
01:00:08
interest in JFK but it's emblematic of it's a proxy for this deep State this idea of Secrets or this idea of there's
01:00:16
a layer of people that are embedded in the United States government that decides on behalf of all of us and I
01:00:24
think when you have somebody who can put P back against that and use transparency
01:00:29
and sunlight as the cleansing function that is what we need if we're going to rebuild trust in our government and
01:00:34
institutions we're going to need a lot more transparency and if that one's hanging out there why not resolve it I
01:00:40
mean did he say he thinks the CI CIA did it I think I heard him say that I think
01:00:44
CIA did what I heard was he said the CIA behind the people that were influencing
01:00:49
him not to I think what he said want information out we should be clear about that because it could be it could be
01:00:55
quoted out of context yeah we're going to need to see the transcript on that he did not say that he thought the CIA was
01:01:00
he didn't come anywhere close he said that he thought the CIA was behind that were telling him to not do it and he
01:01:07
listened to them out of trust and respect for them which I think that's a reasonable judgment in the moment we got
01:01:12
see that transcript yeah my point is exposing that is a very important way of giving the influence and power back to
01:01:20
the people ABS I've mentioned this quote from Mike Pompeo which is really powerful but it's something to the
01:01:27
effect of you know the people on the top floor of the CIA do not believe it's a Democrat or Republican that runs America
01:01:36
but that they do and he said that in the context of being asked what is the one regret you have or some of the biggest
01:01:45
regrets you have in running the CIA and Pompeo said that he didn't fix that so I
01:01:51
think that there's a lot of embedded versions of this establishment class that lurk in many institutions whether
01:01:58
it's the EPA whether it's the CIA whether it's the NIH and if there are ways in which the
01:02:05
president can unlock the data that's necessary or the information for all of us to have a
01:02:12
little bit more clarity on what's Happening I think it's important and I do think for many
01:02:17
people that the JFK file is representative of a lot of them well and then Dove telling that Sachs the fouy
01:02:24
discussion where he said I don't trust I I never trusted fouchy and then kind of
01:02:28
pushing it on like hey do you think he should be prosecuted did we fund it or not seems pretty clear he believes we
01:02:34
funded gain of research his position was I just didn't want to spend the money which I appreciate about him with China
01:02:40
with China yeah spend the money in China yeah yeah and so I what did you think of
01:02:45
that point yeah well I I thought that his response on that was similar to a lot of his responses which is he did not
01:02:53
take the edgy position that he was sort of being teed up to take I mean kind of like same thing with
01:02:59
like the Larry Summers thing you know he he had mild criticism I thought for fouchy but he didn't go scorched Earth
01:03:06
at all on on fouchy there and he said he didn't trust him he said absolutely nobody that's fors nobody nobody trusts
01:03:15
fouchy you asked him whether fouchi should be prosecuted he did not take the bait on that that's my point he was very
01:03:21
respectful actually I I was very surprised to hear how he respected fouchi and how he framed the his
01:03:28
response to that question and I think that says a lot but can I tell you why you're surprised because I think we have
01:03:33
been fed this is what I'm saying we have been fed A Narrative of what president Trump looks like now in fairness we're
01:03:39
also being fed A Narrative of what President Biden is like and this is why you have to see these men up close and
01:03:45
personal for yourself because David the fact that you're surprised is less about
01:03:50
the fact that Donald Trump has changed right it's more the fact that you've been told a narrative and you've
01:03:56
believed it and so now when you see the actual truth you have to rewrite hold on
01:04:00
a second he's actually pretty thoughtful he's pretty presidential he doesn't go off on
01:04:05
people that's not what you probably thought going in because that's not what the mainstream media portrays about what
01:04:10
you should be thinking about well he In fairness he has gone in on people pretty
01:04:13
hard over the last eight years he's a counter puncher I don't think he hits people unless they hit him first I mean
01:04:18
that's his pattern but look I I I agree with Jamal here that my overall take on this and look my position is is clear
01:04:26
because I wrote a long post on X endorsing Trump a couple weeks ago but everything I heard here in this
01:04:33
interview was consistent with the reasons why I stated I want to support him he clearly favors a progrowth agenda
01:04:40
he wants to keep taxes low or and reasonable he wants to reduce regulations he wanted to increase the
01:04:48
number of h-1bs get the Dream Team over here for Tech while sealing the Border while cutting down on crime in blue
01:04:57
cities he talked about how crime was out of control he wants to negotiate peace deals he I think understands very well
01:05:05
why we have this war going on in Europe overall I heard a lot of reassuring things and I didn't hear anything that I
01:05:13
would put in the category of a grievance or a desire for Revenge you know the media is trying to portray him as like
01:05:21
seeking Vengeance or something like that well that's because he says he is didn't
01:05:25
get didn't he said over and over again let's be clear he said over again I will be your retribution so he may not have
01:05:30
said it on this podcast did you get any of that in this interview no I've just heard him say it 50 times in the last 60
01:05:38
days so but sax where would you like to have seen him be same clip played over and over again on where would you like
01:05:44
to have seen him be stronger or different on any of his major positions what would you as his adviser advise him
01:05:52
to shift or double down on a bit well well I mean I think jamath is right that with respect to the Middle
01:05:59
East the I think his position isn't perfectly clear because it's not only about Iran in the Middle East right um
01:06:08
yeah but the truth of the matter is politically I don't know that he could say more and you know I think that's
01:06:13
just a very very tough issue where you're bound to alienate and polarize one side of the other and so I think
01:06:19
he's sort of definitely walking a tight RPP there yeah when he says it would never have happened like I'm always like
01:06:25
you know like it would never happened under me I would like to have a little more of the why why do you believe that
01:06:30
and he never gets into the details he just says that over and over but maybe he's right you know like when I hear
01:06:36
Trump talk what I hear is someone who's a dealmaker he was a dealmaker in business now he's a dealmaker
01:06:42
politically he's willing to have conversations with anybody there was even a moment when he's talking about
01:06:47
Iran where he said maybe he could have worked out a deal um but in any event he's somebody who I think is willing to
01:06:56
negotiate which I think is a positive thing because when last time Biden negotiated anything he doesn't seem
01:07:02
interested at all I mean I didn't get to ask but you know one of the things I had
01:07:05
queued up was you know I just think you've done a phenomenal job in talking to people who most people feel are
01:07:11
difficult people to get along with you know Kim Jan G Putin I think it's in superpowers talking to dictators uh
01:07:20
despots people who are contener and difficult and he always seems to get the better of them them or at least get he
01:07:28
at least gets our interests As Americans aligned with whatever their interests are so I let me ask you I'm yeah I don't
01:07:36
want to be insulting I'm ask like in the past you said that he was embracing the
01:07:40
dictators and he was cow Towing to I think you've said comments like that in the past where you saw Yes or something
01:07:46
that felt like he was more trying to embrace and engage with them in a way that's like why would I've always felt
01:07:52
you should talk to everybody all the time um you know that that's not my issue with you know it's never been my
01:07:56
issue with him I think that's like a superpower the fact that he went into North Korea and stepped over in the DMZ
01:08:03
you you saw the look on Kim jong-un's face he just Kim jung-un just wants a little attention he wants a little
01:08:08
recognition and this idea like we're not going to give him any recognition is stupid because if you give him a little
01:08:14
recognition now you're sort of tilting him towards hey maybe you could be part of this like maybe you could come to the
01:08:19
west and see a movie premiere or come to the NBA finals as opposed to start lobbing you know dysfunctional
01:08:26
missiles over Japan like love you know that video where they're like setting up the little press shooting and the in the
01:08:33
conference oh my God that video Smile on Kim jong-un's face when say you want me
01:08:38
to go over I go should I go over should I do it now I'll go over okay i'mna I'm gonna walk up and Kim jung-un is beaming
01:08:46
and you're like he just played him he played him like he walked 10 feet into North Korea and now Kim jong-un's like
01:08:52
you know what I don't need this Miss I guess my my my big unanswered question I did want to ask him about like Doo's
01:08:57
prediction of like the cycle of Empires 500 years that well let's play counterfactual freeberg what do what do
01:09:05
you how do you compare the answers you've heard to what you have heard or what you think President Biden's answers
01:09:11
would be to the things that you care about I honestly feel like there's a little bit of a blinders to the question
01:09:16
like there's a pivot back to what I've done what I'll do versus the like let's actually talk about where we are in the
01:09:23
death cycle and this is exactly what like history repeating itself at the time that you take on all the debt you
01:09:31
drive internal conflict January 6 is a great like data point you drive external conflict we've had two or three Wars
01:09:38
start in the last four years how do we reverse those things so that we don't repeat history and we sat down with doio
01:09:45
and we asked him this question is there a way to not repeat history and he said yes there is and we talked with grah
01:09:49
Allison about this and all these guys believe that there's a way to avoid it there have been moments where we've
01:09:54
nearly had the conflict and that's why I him about war with China but I want to understand if there is this broader kind
01:10:00
of construct of what is going on because he he hits on all the data points correctly dollarization increased
01:10:06
spending bloated bureaucracy conflicts around the world without taking it all into perspective
01:10:13
and saying man like this is where Empires die I guess he does say that right he he does actually highlight
01:10:18
exactly what Doo doesn't do what mle does though right like Malay has said to the populist that's exactly yeah Malay
01:10:25
he just needs to take that next Malay step and say I will cut half the people working at these places he kind of did
01:10:30
say it when it came to education I don't know what your interpretations were G get back to an entrepreneurial economy
01:10:36
right allow capitalism I think he did say around regulation and then with respect to the bureaucracy he pointed to
01:10:43
education he pointed to that was a good example I think energy he pointed to the
01:10:47
EPA the right things are on his radar screen you know uh I just hope he gets the right people around him sacks like I
01:10:54
mean I need you jul and stupid people you got to if you're if put him put smart people
01:11:01
around cabinet cabinet advisers on nuclear on regulation in nuclear on AI like yeah in 2016 there was not the kind
01:11:11
of people that for example were at this fundraiser that David and I organized was I think entirely different
01:11:21
than what you saw in 2016 and I do think there's opportunity where if you dipped your hand like there
01:11:27
was a young man in the audience who answered this AI question and he talked about public key private key
01:11:34
cryptography it was beautiful it was amazing very technical person but there are all these people that are coming out
01:11:41
of the woodwork to your point freeberg if he can figure out how to build a cabinet with those people meaning these
01:11:48
extremely technical thoughtful people then there's a real shot that you can change yeah I hope that's right I pulled
01:11:55
up some some some data going into our conversation I just want to hear read this to you guys totally off topic but I
01:12:00
I just want to say we can cut it out if you want but you know construction for the Francis Scott Key bridge which is
01:12:06
1.6 miles long when it was built in 1977 was 141 million bucks about 740 million
01:12:12
in today's dollars today they're estimating to repair you know that's the bridge that collapsed um in Baltimore
01:12:18
they're saying it's going to cost you know2 billion or more to repair that bridge now you know 40 years later
01:12:24
California's bullet train project in 2008 was supposed to cost 40 billion we're 15 years into this thing we've
01:12:30
spent 18 billion they're now asking for 140 billion total to build 171 mile track that's a billion a mile that's a
01:12:37
billion a mile let me just tell you this other fact China tracks in the middle of
01:12:41
nowhere yeah and China just spent 300 billion to build 16,000 miles of High-Speed Rail they're spending 18
01:12:48
million a mile that's 2% of the cost of the California highspeed rail system 2% per mile we are 50 times more expensive
01:12:57
than China that is where superpowers shift that is where that is the fundamental premise of the shift that
01:13:04
we've seen five six times in the last 500 years that's yeah I mean is it just time to privatize it's lay it's layers
01:13:12
it's layers of you know of these two men Trump or Biden which one do you think is
01:13:16
going to be more skeptical of big government spending and which one is going to be more interested in being
01:13:22
conducive to the private sector solving problems I mean to me there's no comparison no well which one which one
01:13:28
do you think obviously Trump is is his all of his instincts are let's empower the private sector let's cut regulations
01:13:35
let's make taxes reasonable let's get the smartest people in the country let's have peace
01:13:40
deals growth what do you think freeer I have heard conversations that there is an economic argument I don't know if I
01:13:48
buy it that one of the reasons that they're trying to leave the Border open is there is a um low cost labor pool
01:13:56
that grows that actually is is beneficial to economic growth that um there's just not enough in the workforce
01:14:02
today to like think about the cost of building that Railroad in China versus the US you know the the average income
01:14:08
in the US is is a a couple turns on what it is in China you can also say you don't want to answer the
01:14:14
question between the two yeah man um ask this question more specifically yeah ask yeah honestly who
01:14:23
do you think is closer to your desired outcome Trump or Biden I I think Trump hits on it like way more than Biden does
01:14:30
yeah he definitely hits on the concerns that I have I don't know if he has like the path that makes me feel like great
01:14:35
let's you know like this is gonna work does Biden does Biden and I think the other thing I worry about is the
01:14:40
leadership problem with Trump meaning I don't mean him as a leader in in terms of Effectiveness but just this like
01:14:46
Trump derangement syndrome is not something to be ignored and to be disparaging of the people that we all
01:14:53
you know that not we all but people say have Trump derangement syndrome it's a fundamental like tilting that he does
01:14:58
and he tilts half the people in the country he tilts them and I think that that is really and maybe the other side
01:15:04
is true as well maybe it's a psychological problem that a lot of people have doesn't mean we should have
01:15:07
a worse president no so so that's one that's one argument or yeah or maybe when he tried maybe there's a way to use
01:15:14
unifying speech instead of divisive speech and that is my other concern it's just like or or you speak directly to
01:15:20
the people and you end up where Jake Al is at and where you're at which is you've
01:15:27
heard him face to face really for the first time I want to hear Biden face to face I want to have a long conversation
01:15:35
on here we invited Biden on here too and we're waiting breathlessly for him to accept the invitation you got to give
01:15:41
Trump credit for coming on the show like he said yeah and took all questions yeah
01:15:48
so you got to give Trump a lot of credit for that but freeberg to your point about the TDS for a second look when
01:15:55
Biden ran in 2020 he promised a return to normaly that was basically his sales pitch we had just gone through covid you
01:16:04
know there were a lot of people who had TDS who were tilted by Trump and what Biden said is we're going to have
01:16:09
normaly what actually happened well I think Biden began this incredibly partisan and vindictive program of
01:16:17
lawfare of trying to prosecute not just Trump but a lot of other people we had the Border basically opened up I mean
01:16:25
Biden repealed all those executive orders on day one and did create those holes in in the wall there was
01:16:30
absolutely no reason for that we had this war in Ukraine that was easily avoidable if they just said the right
01:16:36
things back in 2021 and I mean I could go on I mean on on the issue of tech like we talked
01:16:43
about everyone feels Frozen right now crypto can't get a regulatory framework no one can do m& so have we gotten the
01:16:50
normaly that we were promised I don't think so and on the other hand what I heard from Trump in this interview was
01:16:57
like it was he was sort of softened he did not go scorched Earth even when he invited him to he did not say will age I
01:17:05
will he did not he had nice words to say about Larry Summers yes he was you know
01:17:10
I thought this was a very moderate sounding Trump maybe it's a different approach and I'm wrong and I'm just
01:17:17
referencing the history with him and I do agree with you that the way he spoke today about people that have been
01:17:22
antagonistic about him or to him like Summers and fouchy did surprise me particularly after years of him sending
01:17:29
out these tweets every morning about people that are antagonistic about him and it was quite refreshing honestly and
01:17:34
it felt different so you know I will give him credit on that point I will I will like agree with you on that SX for
01:17:40
sure the point is I think that we had an opportunity to interview the president of the United States and that was great
01:17:45
congrats I think we talked about a broad spectrum of issues I wish we had more time I think he answered them precisely
01:17:52
and I think he was candid and think that he gave us new information which I think is important
01:17:59
and I think it allowed you guys to see what I saw which is if you're an independent or
01:18:08
not a republican quote unquote by name and you have a preconceived notion of what president Trump is like it's
01:18:17
very difficult to keep that notion is my point after you hear him and after you meet him and I think that that's a very
01:18:24
important thing to keep in mind because I don't think it says as much about President Trump as it does about the
01:18:30
lens with which we are taught to think about all of these people including President
01:18:36
Biden so I would just say you got to think for yourself and that's the most important takeaway and I think that we
01:18:43
are giving people ground truth data to underwrite your own opinion all right everybody this has been another amazing
01:18:49
episode of the all in podcast thank you David St for getting president Trump to come on President Biden you are of
01:18:54
course inv to come on we encourage you to come on give us 50 minutes give us an hour and a half whatever you got no
01:19:00
we've asked we've asked we're waiting I'm just restating it for the record that if he by some means somebody in his
01:19:06
group says we should you know talk to the all in team since they're a top 10 pocket and every other presidential
01:19:11
candidate's been on who knows maybe somebody decides he's going to be able to keep up with the group I don't think
01:19:17
he can keep up that's the big challenge for the Rainman David Sachs shth paa your chairman dictator and the S of
01:19:24
science David Freer I am the world's greatest moderator didn't moderate today it's sure guest a great
01:19:31
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