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[Music] all right everybody Welcome to uh the Allin inauguration special we are here
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in town uh to celebrate Andor commiserate the second term of Donald Trump depending on where you sit on the
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political spectrum and we are extremely lucky to have a partner in Spotify who has given us a box yes we're in a glass
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box on the street they really splurged and got a trailer it's absolutely fantastic but we thank them for their
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host us it's very cool uh with me today of course my co-host shth poaa and David
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freeberg who is a little under the weather because let's be honest freedberg you've been out there you and
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Lex took on the town last night I had a good time with Lex Freedman last night it was good let's leave it at that let's
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leave it at that yeah that sounds great it's been a couple nights in a row I'm pretty beat jamaath you have a very busy
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social schedule and uh you've been just bouncing around town with the Who's Who and taking CR for Donald Trump's Victory
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how's the Victory lap going here cuz you played such a key role here by coming out and being even more unlikable in our
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hometown of the Bay Area and supporting Trump I'm a small bit player a bit player but as you said to me in the car
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over here you were the folc room that started the boulder that created the win I said none of that but uh I think more
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changes are coming Jason maybe to our home state of California let's see let's see um let's see phase two we're
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extremely um honored to have Tom Emer here he is the US representative from The Amazing state of Minnesota home of
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Bob Dyan Prince and the Cohen Brothers and Tim Walls and Tim Walls coming in hot already well let's
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start there let's start there um how much of a disaster uh was the Democratic party and
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when you watched what happened with Biden in all seriousness do you think there was a cover up in terms of his
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mental acuity and what do you think of kamla's job out there not doing podcasts and uh essentially being anointed and
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not having a primary the Democratic party seems lost crooked and crooked okay yeah I mean the leadership I I got
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good friends who are Democrats so I don't I'm not going to disparage them but uh first Jason all of you thank you
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it's nice to be on Allin I heard everybody's heard about it everybody wants to be here so it's just nice that
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and you promised you'd listen to it after this right actually I listened last week sadly it
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was about the fires but uh uh the uh the way they did this uh was if you think about it ballot access is a big
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thing you you have to run for uh months and you have to get delegates and you have to make your case state by state
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and you have to meet certain requirements to actually end up on the ballot how the Democrats are able to
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remove move Joe Biden literally uh in a coup a back room coup and install kamla Harris in a matter of hours or days uh
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and avoid any convention uh like real democracy taking place where people are debating their candidates and where
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they're at and then to your your uh other question that that's wrong but your other question was uh Joe Biden was
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there a coverup I a coverup is when you don't see it when you don't know about it when you're totally unaware this
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wasn't a coverup this was a conspiracy everybody in this town for four years watched when he came in he was already
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diminished and watch him continue to diminish over the course of his uh over the course of his uh uh term it was the
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mainstream media that refused to actually comment on it and then it was amazing overnight when uh he has the
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debate last June it's like oh my gosh this is terrible look at this and and suddenly it was like they'd never seen
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it before this was a conspiracy by a left-wing media that uh they're littered with people who have a partisan View and
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they write about it they create stories about it and they don't tell you the whole story if you were here let's go
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down this pull this thread a little bit more because you said the the Democrats themselves are good people some of them
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many of them you know but then the leadership you said was corrupt so just can you help us understand who is the
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leadership and then how does the corruption play out what does the corruption look like well remember I'm
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on the Republican side yeah no but I'm but I I can tell you what I watch what I watch is there were two times that they
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literally whoever they are it would be the superdelegates it a lot of people would say it's the Obamas it's the
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clintons it's the you know by original that's the that's the boogeyman for what it's worth that people point to at least
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when you're not in DC like if somebody said who who are the leadership elected or otherwise that runs a Democratic
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party a lot of people would point to the Obamas and then some of these super donors is that sort of your perception
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of how it works it is and the reason I I go back as you'll remember Bernie Sanders is marching towards the
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Democratic nomination right and they get to South Carolina and all of a sudden Amy kashar from my state it's just one
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after another I'm out I'm out I support uh Joe Biden right clearly the whoever that is because you're right
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we're not in the room to see is it the Obamas is it uh Consultants like Carville or Axel Rod or whoever who is
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in that room yeah uh but whoever's in that room they have a plan when it gets to the end and I I never thought Joe uh
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Biden was going to be the candidate and that's not how the Republican Party operates because I
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think some people in the public have this perception that both parties operate that way that there is a cabal
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of the the most influential and ultimately they end up getting to pick and the other party does the same thing
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is that not the case no and clearly that wasn't the case with Trump right yeah no
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ours I I would say that watching from the outside again we're not on the inside of the Democrat machine but
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watching from the outside that's a top- down process on the Republican side that's a bottom up process and uh Donald
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Trump is the best example of best example because uh people in this town you know especially in the house where I
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serve are like you know we we got the American people we have a mandate and you got to remind them yeah no no Donald
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Trump has a mandate he got 77 million votes we got a little less than 75 million so if you're looking at who
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literally is expanding this party and pulling this party over the line it's one guy it's Donald Trump so to your
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point do you view him the party leader I do so to your point this was a almost like a Donald Trump hostile takeover of
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the Republicans meaning if you look at the establishment rhetoric of what Republicans stood for I don't think
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Trump really cared he had a point of view and he had his own intellectual agenda and ideology and to your point 77
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million people said I go with that do you think that that's possible on the Democratic side as well do you think
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that there's a different ideology that needs to be born there I can only tell you the experience I've had with one of
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my Minnesota colleagues who I I won't name him but he might have run against the uh sitting president I he he was we
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were talking on the house floor one day and I was uh complaining to or giving him a hard time I should say about some
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of the uh off-color remarks coming from the squad and he made a point of telling me
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off color sorry off color H well let's just say there were some anti-semitic uh comments uh All About the Benjamins this
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stuff and there was a centure that was being worked on oh wow yeah and uh uh it was public but the point is when I was
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saying boy you've had quite a week he goes oh yeah yeah he says that's a very small group of people in our party with
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very large voices and my response to him was okay well that might be true but then people like you have to stand up
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and speak up and take my grandfather's Democrat Party back exactly and so no I think they've got a problem identity
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politics which they've perfected and been playing for years it has now come back to bite them and there's where is
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the way out they don't have a brand they don't know who they are they they they're fighting about things like men
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participating in in women's sports I mean it just it isn't resonating with the American people so they're they're
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going to have to figure that out for the future but on our side we're going to have to figure out Donald Trump is the
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one that pulled this across the line here's here's the problem with the Republican party for me the last 30
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years we've had great people representing us but the public has been very frustrated because it seems like
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government and the bureau rats always get a better deal right than the average citizen in this country right we're
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talking about Main Street we're not talking about Silicon Valley which has its own Main Street but I'm talking
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about just good old Main Street USA you know where it's rural country it's uh you know people who are just trying to
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live their lives they feel like their government hasn't been listening to them for years this is what spawned the tea
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party this is why we've had this over and over and Donald Trump you got to give him credit this energy was out
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there and he actually grabbed it and he showed us what it looked like when he ran in 16 and he took the time to
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understand it or or he just innately has an ability to read people better than I've ever seen yeah I mean I think he is
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a generational retail politician generational I think he's a one in 150 year leader yeah freeberg you have a lot
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of thoughts on fiscal responsibility and have been bangging the drum on the national debt Tom you also have a
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passion for responsibility maybe you have some butts on that freeberg or maybe you can tell us your point of view
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on how much of an impact Doge can have I don't know if you've talked and what you
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think reconciliation is going to look like I mean this is going to be a very gnarly pitch battle here how how do we
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get two trillion out of the why you st bug exactly why are you stopping at well actually let's ask that question is two
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even possible and if so how do you think you can get $2 trillion out of it so I'd
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rather let's do it two ways I'd rather I look at what's uh what could we put on the table and we do this privately so
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you won't get me to say what it is where it is but I'll tell you there's a list that we've sat down with that uh reaches
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somewhere between five and seven trillion a year uh over the next 10 years okay and the the uh that's what
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that two trillion would be over the next 10 years okay I mean it listen if if you're the budget's 7.2 what's that the
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budget the annual budget 7.2 right so the goal is first we got to balance the budget you got to quit bleeding 1.5 to
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2.2 trillion oh it's another trillion yeah whatever you got to balance yeah second thing you got to do is start to
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bend the curve down we we got the greatest economy in the world it hasn't been performing where it could I I think
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with Donald Trump we can put it in place where it can you can see those revenues
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start to go up again and you if youve have this so you're controlling it you could pay that you could pay that down
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rather quickly I mean if you're talking in terms of a decade this requires sacrifice and it requires
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representatives from each City uh and each state to then go to their constituents and say hey we fought to
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get you X Y and Z and you're only going to get X and Y yeah be careful some tell
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you they fight but they're not really fighting the uh I this this thing is going to happen because of Donald Trump
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I think I I leave it to Mike Johnson he's the speaker he will make these decisions I'm not got it I'm the whip
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whatever you tell me my job is to make sure we get it done and that's what we'll do but I think you're going to see
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a two trck process Mike Johnson for reconciliation has set a deadline he wants to vote on a budget resolution by
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the first week of February why is that important the budget resolution you have to have before you can even move forward
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with uh uh reconciliation that's usually pre-negotiated with the Senate so if we
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can keep with that aggressive timeline you'll have that back to the house sometime in February once you have that
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that allows your 12 subcommittees to get their allotment and start to build out their right 12 appropriation
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subcommittees build out their budgets Jason Smith our ways and means chair believes we can have that process done
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by the end of March Mike in again in this our speaker in this uh very aggressive timeline if that's possible
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he would like to vote on it in the house in the first two weeks of April this includes
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the tax permanency extensions Etc from the Trump tax cuts back in 2017 if we're able to keep to that
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schedule then you could you could realistically have a Reconciliation Bill to president's Trump's desk by Memorial
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weekend let's just talk about the other long-term Challenge and your point of view on the solution what's going to
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happen to Social Security by 2030 2032 2033 where's this headed why I think people are going to have to innovate and
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I think you got to honor the promises that have been made uh there are many different things out there that are
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being looked at like a voluntary program that people I in a certain range and this is above my my pay grade A Certain
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range age range y like I don't know 18 to whatever it is that are just coming into this system that it would give them
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a choice right they would have a choice to stay in Social Security as we know it
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or to pursue a private route that will have Federal parameters so you can't just be putting it into a retirement
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account taking it out it would serve the same purpose but like Australia system the super system it would obviously and
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then it would grow the uh the private side yeah and sorry is that ultimately necessary we need to change Social
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Security and when do we have to change it by and now that the election is over because every politician is scared to
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talk about social security because everyone's got an election coming up are we going to hear something different
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this time around or is it always going to be the Kick the Can down the road with Social Security and weever it's
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just such a Golden Goose no one can talk about it no one can touch it Donald Trump was elected for three reasons one
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to fix uh our economic woses uh the inflation that's killed people uh get energy moving again seal the southern
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border and create peace and stability around the globe if we perform and I'm I'm going to change that because that's
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not really my attitude when we perform you start to build credibility with the American public then and only then can
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you start talking about because nobody believes us right right so in in the media plays games they try to pit us
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against each other with these different ideas the key is you have to honor the promises that have been made to
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Americans since Social Security was created and then you have to look forward and again we've said we're not
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going to touch Social Security uh Medicare and Medicaid that was the president who said that I got that but
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there are some uh efficiency things reforms that you can do around these programs that actually will make them uh
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not only more uh uh viable financially but more efficient should Americans be able to trade cryptocurrency freely
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without regulations or do you think those regulations are in place for a good reason well you're you're talking
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so you remember Animal House with the evil and the good on the shoulders I I had that last night and the evil one and
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well I got the libertarian and the uh Republican with a small r on either one libertarian always wins for me but yeah
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well and it it used to for me but I realized that I was a republican with a small R when I was doing a radio show
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with an anarchist for several months and all he ever said was shut her down she's
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pumping mud and it's like oh I must be a republican I the libertarian says absolutely okay I the Republican with a
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small r i I think the key is going to be we have the the greatest Financial system markets here in the United States
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in the world all we have an existing Legacy two-tier banking system uh it needs to come into the 21st century the
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beauty of crypto to me is not just that it's crypto one it's going to help us if
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Congress does its job if we put some parameters up Market structure you know give people rules of the road so they
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know what they can and can't do and who's going to be uh having responsibility for oversight we can
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protect the existing two-tier Legacy system yeah and allow it time to move into the 21st century I think the the
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key is and this is why the central Bankers are so worried this is so disruptive and potentially destructive
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that they're scared to death it's not just losing their power they're they're afraid that uh this decentralization is
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going to somehow send Finance back to the uh I suppose there are also a concern that consumers maybe who are not
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super sophisticated or new to it might lose their money and yesterday Trump launched a $30 billion yeah coin uh
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which we refer to on the internet as a coin or a meme coin are you troubled by him doing something like that was that a
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wise decision on his part I don't know time will tell about that he seems to make some pretty good decisions they've
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uh they've done you got work on the regulations for that so if he can do that can we all just do it and take any
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you could have done it too oh well it was a the SEC previously would have um actually gone after you for um taking
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money from retail investors ding dong the witch is dead now we're going to be moving forward with a new SEC got it
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okay so YOLO What's that YOLO YOLO you only live once just go for it my uh my staff gives
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me a hard time because I don't know all those cute quips yeah but you're you're cool with it you're cool with him doing
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a coin 24 hours before I have no problem did you see the mem that said Baron apparently had his dad's phone last
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night made a billion dollar I love the baron memes they're my favorite they call him the Lian alib
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which if you like if you watch Dune is like he's the Savior that's sent in Dune to basically save all of us it's
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definitely going to be an interesting four years uh let's talk about right now Jason is about to implode Congressman
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what you're seeing is him melting down has a big like negative bias against um these coins no no no I have a bias
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against stealing meanwhile you want every ret you want every retail investor to have access to buy startups and
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because that that'll benefit you but when it comes to coins you're like oh no one should be able to do that no I'll
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address that I think there should be a sophisticated investor test where people learn about things like diversification
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they learn who owns 80% of the coins that just been dumped on retail and under what circumstance they can sell
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them and you know there is a a legitimate issue here that uh foreign adversaries could just buy these coins
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that influence the president I think that's a real concern that people should have so you can diminish it you're it
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it's actually a real issue I actually agree with you like Securities regulations require and when you do an
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IPO you file an S1 and you disclose who owns the shares yes and it has to go on a regulated exchange so you know who the
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buyers of the shares are so I do actually think your framework is pretty reasonable that it I thought you were
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just mocking me well I do mock you yeah in addition let's go to the next one then no no I do think that's right you
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brought up the Border uh Steve Bannon says huh I did you did you said the Border was one of the M re in his uh
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mandate yeah so let's talk about that part of the Mandate that you brought up uh Steve Bon says he's doing a great job
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today's moderator you're doing I think he's the only one that s they knock you down and then they build you up it's all
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good I'm not paying attention to them I'm paying attention to you this is called management Steve Bannon said he
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wants all 15 out day one so what's going on uh Steve Miller says America is for Americans and Americans
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only do you believe 15 million people should be dragged out of this country day one like Steve Bannon and Steve
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Miller I I think we should look at what the American people think so a New York Times of all Outlets had a poll that
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said uh it's like 80% I believe that criminals terrorists uh people who have committed uh bad offenses should be the
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hell out of here yeah easy one to have consensus on you no but then it starts to drop down yeah which is uh the next
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one is a uh oh I forget what the second one is it drops down about 60 but 55% of
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Americans believe any illegal immigrant should be out of here how many 55% 55% this in a New York po W what do you
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think that'll do to the economy you brought up inflation and we have to tame that we have 4% unemployment the lowest
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of our lifetimes can I just tell you agricultural um labor costs have climbed by probably 3x in the last four or five
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years yeah it's and there's not enough labor to address kind of agricultural production needs in this country
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particularly in specialty crops it's the world I I work in how are we going to kind of address both the kind of economy
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economic demand for labor in this country and address this kind of immigration challenge you don't fix your
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labor problem with h illegal immigration uh you fix it by fixing your immigration
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system and making sure that it's working the way it's supposed to by the way I come from the state of Minnesota the two
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primary drivers of our state's private economy are manufacturing an EG I mean I I've got huge uh operations of families
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that have bound together as a co-op that they literally have to bring in foreign
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workers and they they' built a Village housing they have teachers but there's there's the solution this idea and I
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come from Minnesota which is why you made the hair on the back of my neck stand up the the argument is oh illegals
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people who are here illegally and their Advocates are bracing for Trump's arrival and then they write an article
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that says if they remove all these people our economy is going to tank stop it you you you've got laws for a
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reason you got to enforce the laws that are on the books and if they don't work this is why we passed the strongest
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border bill in 20 years with 222 members in the last Congress which Chuck Schumer
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never looked at they they wanted to say that Trump killed the bipartisan bill you realize the house bill did five
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things finish the wall reform the parole process reform Asylum uh end Catch and Release and restore remain in Mexico
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those were the five pillars that so-called bipartisan Bill actually codified catch and release said that if
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you don't have emergency Authority on the border until you have 5,000 plus one coming across a day so we seem to have
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the answer we seem to have you know pretty solid consensus here and in the country criminals who are basically
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committing two crimes whatever crime they committed here and coming cross the border illegally they have no standing
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they go but you seem to be um punting and not answering the question of should the 14.5 milon other people dragged out
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of the country in year one so maybe you can answer that one J's a journalist I I'm telling you right now that Trump
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trump was elected to get this what do you think though you are from a state where that's going to be highly
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unpopular I I don't think you should be here if you're illegal so all for all 15
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million got to go in year one I don't think you should be here if you're illegal now you're you're painting with
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a pretty broad brush you don't know what specific using Steve Bannon and Steve Miller have said so I'm just quoting
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their words again I think the the goal is to make sure Poss JD Vance JD Vance came on our show and he said
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hey you got to do the first thing first and you know then the second thing second and the third it's not all going
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to happen on day one but yeah it's GNA be well I'm trying to interpret that but you're being straight so well actually I
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resent that I am being straight I will tell you Adar no I just want to know if that this is I think there's a lot of
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Americans who want to know if 15 million people are literally going to be dragged
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out this is a big question for the American people are you going to drag 15 million people out the country or not
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because Stephen Miller who seems to be you know a big part of this Administration and C Bannon who was the
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architect of the previous administration say that's actually going to happen people are actually nervous about that
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this is when we need sacks here to check you to fact check you on whether those guys have said that and the the problem
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is you're using terms like dragged them out no I mean they're going to start with the worst of the worst in JD's uh
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answer you start with those because you know that this is going to have an emotional aspect to it and guess what
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yeah if you start doing it the way you're supposed to do it I'm going to suggest to you that a lot of them are
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going to leave voluntarily and then if we fix the system that we have then we can start to restore this by the way
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that's already happening because I've heard from a lot of agricultural leaders they're seeing labor depart the country
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right now in anticipation of the administrative change and a lot of Labor is very scared of what's Happening they
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don't want to be caught they just came here for work these are individuals who came to this country to work they
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employed whether legally or illegally to do work that's in demand in this country
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and they're worried they're going to go to jail so they're leaving and there's a
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massive outl right now particularly in rural areas there's a massive out right now of Labor that's really critical to a
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lot of those farming economies and that a lot of people in the agricultural sector are very nervous about what's
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about to happen in the impact but let me ask you another question do you think and in align with elon's point of view
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and some of the stuff that's been promoted that there's a big Push by the Democrats to keep the borders open to
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create more voting Democrats in this country that that's a big reason or rationale for the alternative of you
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know having illegal immigration then converting everyone to Legal I think I I think it's more basic than that I do
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think there's a political element to it states like Minnesota where the uh where
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the traditional educated I what entrepreneur yeah is leaving they're being replaced with uh in many
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cases with illegals yeah right because we are a sanctuary state right so they come into Minnesota whether they vote or
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not that there is a big there is a big argument that yes many of them are but I think the bigger issue is how Congress
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is uh divided up you're losing you're hollowing out whether you're Illinois or you're New York you're hollowing out
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your state they bring illegals in and Incredibly our census calculates them in the uh numbers that doesn't make sense
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no so you got these blue states that mandering cartel just to try to how does yeah I guess that's a longer
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conversation and we probably need to wrap up in a minute I never how that works have a totally different question
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something more fun the job of whip was totally romanticized after House of C that Ro you got to kill people well no
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because you had you had spy you had spy in this really famous scene you got an interesting the Whip and saying when I
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was Whi my job was to whip the votes and then he was screaming into the phone whip the votes and I just remember this
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thinking now that seems like a really cool job his nickname is Chairman dictator just so you know he was voted
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like number one commentator by Xing pan Chinese Communist Party in the first year of podcast I have a lot of
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important people that look up to me yes yeah uh but but just the job of whip is it as enjoyable as it sounds so
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everybody likes to say to me you got the worst job in Washington DC I think the speaker has the worst job in Washington
00:27:39
D that guy can be having a great day and he's got all kinds of people that are just throwing sandwiches at them all the
00:27:44
time the majority leader uh does a calendar manages the floor works with the chairs uh great job the whip you
00:27:52
don't get to do anything those guys want to do unless we can actually get it across the floor and the world has
00:27:58
changed I you know they I think well I know they elected me because they thought my personality is very direct I
00:28:05
am from uh Minnesota I get the sense that you're incredibly effective or you could whip the votes well but it's you
00:28:10
just got to be honest and you got to respect everybody and and it's a different world because we probably have
00:28:15
40% of our members who will vote for whatever Mike Johnson says we're going to put on the floor okay but we got 60%
00:28:21
and this is what's been changing I think over the last couple of decades it keeps
00:28:24
getting larger they didn't come here to follow somebody they came here to to lead to represent their people and they
00:28:32
need to be involved in the process and and what I tell them all the time I don't care if you like each other I
00:28:37
don't care if you despise one another I don't care if you socialize together or the second you walk out of here you run
00:28:42
to two polar opposite places when you're here the American people elected Donald
00:28:47
Trump and we have the benefit of uh a majority see you're opening the votes but that's what it is and I I tell them
00:28:53
you got to get over yourself we're going to let everybody participate in the process we're going to take all of your
00:28:58
ideas we put the uh the more Centrist part of our our majority and the more uh rightwing part of our party together and
00:29:09
that that list of uh savings Cuts offsets I was talking about we privately run that through small groups one at a
00:29:17
time so that they can talk to each other right so that if if you come from a ruby
00:29:22
red District down south and I come from a you know swingy swingy District in New
00:29:27
York York we can have a conversation about why I can and can't do something and why you will and won't do something
00:29:36
and at the end of the day this is how you're successful everybody wants to be involved it's it's hard only from the
00:29:42
aspect that you you can't afford to leave anyone last question uh when you saw the last week was pretty prolific in
00:29:48
terms of the Senate confirmation hearings that started um I think we're still waiting to figure out when Bobby
00:29:53
is going to come up like do you see any push back who do you think who might not
00:29:58
make it who might not make it I think everybody's making it I I think anybody uh that listens to you guys or anything
00:30:05
that interview where they start saying bringing this up we got to remind people this has been the left's Playbook since
00:30:13
Robert Bourg yeah they started it with Robert bour they took him out of his Supreme Court appointment they uh they
00:30:20
did it to Clarence Thomas they really did it to Kavanagh and look at this now they've moved it to Cabinet picks right
00:30:28
and and Pete Heth is a great example none of us is perfect but all of that was Anonymous and I think once it
00:30:34
started going through the process and somebody asked me this question a few weeks ago I said yeah they're starting
00:30:39
with Pete Pete's going to get uh he's going to get through the process they'll move on to Tulsi then they'll move on to
00:30:45
Bobby Kennedy Jr right those will probably be their their three biggest ones that they'll attack yeah right I
00:30:51
mean my my perspective on this is that to your point in the absence of somebody being compromised it's not an IDE iCal
00:30:58
difference that should stop cabinet picks on either side whoever is the President should get to pick their team
00:31:02
put the team on the field that's the Mandate he was given by the people and then the people should get to vote it up
00:31:07
it's supposed to be an advisory capacity right I mean the yeah Congressional it is but the beauty of what Donald Trump
00:31:12
is doing you can't fix what's broken with people that broke it he's going outside of this godforsaken place and
00:31:20
bringing people in that have have completely new ideas whether you like them or not right come on folks let's
00:31:26
see what this does we've been doing the same thing now for years which by the way is what happened 250 years ago when
00:31:31
this okay wait Congressman last question okay this is the last question Congress
00:31:34
last us give us the red an opinion you said you listened to the Fire episode that we did but just general from the
00:31:41
outside in as a Minnesotan looking at California just diagnose what's going on there it's it's more complicated than
00:31:48
the right and the left want to make it seem but uh there definitely is a problem it's not just limited to
00:31:55
California it's across this country with not man in our resources the way we should we had this problem in northern
00:32:02
Minnesota probably 20 years ago 25 years ago we had a blow down in the bwca The Boundary Waters canoe area you had all
00:32:10
those trees uh laying down they were kindling right and I think our governor at the time Jesse Ventura said he was
00:32:17
going to go in there and he was going to log it right so we could protect the uh
00:32:21
citizens in their property and we could actually make use of these uh trees that
00:32:25
have been destroyed in the storm uh the federal government told him he couldn't do it and of course we've had fires
00:32:33
right uh California this is tragic my brother-in-law sent me a picture he lives in Woodland Hills he sent me a
00:32:39
picture of flames at the end of his culde-sac above the that's where my parents live they probably live a couple
00:32:44
blocks from each other in Woodland Hills two the fire sto two blocks from their house yeah that's the picture he took
00:32:50
they might live did the winds just take no so the uh the the the Ventura County Line comes up to right there yeah and
00:32:57
the fire department did and I I calfire and fire department are incredible they stopped it from entering the
00:33:01
neighborhood that's amazing it was amazing yeah very I don't know how his house is still standing based on the
00:33:06
picture you sent Tom this has been amazing you fit right in here appreciate the honesty and candidness and we'd love
00:33:11
to have you back anytime I appreciate the conflict I love that well I mean the American people have this is why we love
00:33:16
job he got he got motivated we went to a Spotify dinner last night and they were
00:33:19
talking about journalism he's like I'm a journalist I'll show you guys I can Journal I think it's a really important
00:33:24
conversation and you know the one thing I'm a little concerned with is um just some clarity because Trump has an
00:33:33
ability to say things in a in a in a bold way in an effervescent way and then you know sometimes these things actually
00:33:40
affect people and they want a little more clarity so well and the whip has uh has to find Clarity amongst 219 people
00:33:48
yeah good luck with that job appreciate it thank you thank you you guys are fine
00:33:54
thanks okay everybody welcome back to the all-in podcast we're here for the inauguration of Donald Trump in his
00:34:01
second term and we're delighted to have Eric swell with us today uh he is obviously the house representative from
00:34:08
California and the Democratic party uh you guys East Bay East Bay East Bay East Bay yeah uh you guys got shellacked this
00:34:14
time around wasn't great wasn't good yeah um what are the lessons that the Democratic party can take from this I'll
00:34:23
will uh insert myself into this a little bit I'm a moderate who's voted Democrat
00:34:27
two out of three times I was absolutely really disappointed I I'll just leave it at that that you didn't
00:34:36
have a speedrun primary that Biden was put up when he was clearly in cognitive decline and I'm absolutely disgusted by
00:34:45
the Democratic party's um hatred of successful entrepreneurs in this country you've kind of lost me as somebody who
00:34:54
voted two out of three times why has the Democratic party left me somebody who you know two out of three times would
00:35:03
vote Democrat and now you hate as a party entrepreneurship winning and you you you seem to hate democracy and you
00:35:12
won't even have a primary Jesus Christ um don't hate democracy um no but this is my perception I think a lot of
00:35:18
Democrats feel this way we just lose you lost a lot of fol folks like a lot of I
00:35:23
mean this this is across the board there's a lot of middle of the road folks that just yeah we
00:35:28
we need a story that connects with everyday Americans I think when you look at a lot
00:35:35
of the policies that we like believe in and you look at polling and focus groups
00:35:39
people will be like oh yeah I like that I like that I like that but our story right now I don't think we know who we
00:35:46
are and who we're fighting for now so it is to me exciting that we can go through
00:35:50
this reset and renovation to find that story that connects I'm a bluecollar kid I was raised by a cop and a mom who had
00:36:00
six different jobs I was the first of my family to go to college I like to think
00:36:03
you were raised by two Republicans yeah I was they they they were they are were and are two Republicans and I've got
00:36:08
three little brothers who are cops and I grew up in Dublin California everyone called it scrubin until we invested uh
00:36:16
there and we saw success what was your ideological change growing up in a republican household of cops essentially
00:36:24
yeah uh to becoming a you know you're a bit of a democratic poster boy well that's that's only because I've gone
00:36:32
after Donald Trump but if you look I ran against the most liberal member of Congress Pete Stark um I have been a
00:36:39
pretty independent vote in Congress and I root for success of entrepreneurs and business and want to connect that
00:36:46
success to the people who work hard at those businesses so everyone does well and I think if we're just perceived as
00:36:53
rooting against success overall and vilifying by people who are successful um then no one can be successful if if
00:37:02
that's the case did you like or not like did you agree with Biden's framing as he
00:37:07
was leaving about this Tech oligarchy it it it's only an oligarchy if working class folks don't benefit
00:37:15
from it so if that's what it becomes then that that's a problem what I want to see and I think what you all are
00:37:22
rooting for is that anyone if you work hard work your ass off you should do better for yourself and dream bigger for
00:37:30
your kids and I think we have an opportunity to do that the president the president-elect has an opportunity to
00:37:35
make that happen and where he tries to do that he'll find uh a partner in me but do we have this uh branding issue
00:37:43
yes no I think that's what is The Branding issue let un the The Branding issue the wokeism is it the
00:37:48
judgmentalism is it the sanctimony is pandering is it the you have to you have to be perfect and pure is what the
00:37:54
perception is right now but nobody's perfect no no no that's the of people who like like we're all ridd
00:38:00
with errors and of course we're not perfect and pure but I think the perception is that to be a Democrat you
00:38:06
have to check all these Purity boxes and then you can be a part of the party and
00:38:12
right now the Republican part is like I think the exact opposite it's like do you like Donald Trump great come to the
00:38:17
party and so even like if you don't like Trump can we get you on these three policies and
00:38:23
you can still come to Peter T's party I have never been more courted by political party than trumps and I have
00:38:29
never been more hated than I've been by the Democratic party that's wrong it shouldn't make people feel that way Jam
00:38:34
feels that way I think he was a major donor you guys are talking about having you guys are saying you should have a
00:38:41
Joe Rogan equivalent you had Joe Rogan he was a Democrat if you watch all his shows they were all he had Bernie
00:38:49
Sanders on he wanted to have Hillary on you guys fumbled it you guys had Elon Musk you fumbled it well see the party
00:38:55
fumbled it maybe you can comment you represent and let's talk about rebuilding and we have we have an
00:39:01
opportunity to rebuild now and so on for example the department of government efficiency like we should root for
00:39:09
government to be more efficient and we should try and enable that but like if that effort goes into an area where it's
00:39:17
going to cut Social Security or cut you know Medicare then I think you'll see us
00:39:22
be Guardians against that but like most small businesses think it's pretty hard start a small business and then even
00:39:28
once you do you don't have the resources that bigger businesses do and they see regulations as what gets in the way so
00:39:34
we should try and knock those what's happening in the party like what what are you guys doing or is it just
00:39:41
headless as an organization yeah who runs a Democratic party I would say in in the house right now hakee Jeff uh has
00:39:46
been pretty effective at at uniting us and and even in the last Congress uh you saw something that you've never seen
00:39:53
before in any Congress in our country any parliament in the world which is the minority party delivered the majority
00:40:00
votes on every vote of consequence so keeping the government open lifting the de ceiling which's which the incoming
00:40:06
president now supports which we welcome that and we would love to get rid of it by the way um you know the funding of
00:40:12
even the funding you know to Israel that that moveed forward because uh Democrats
00:40:19
were unified uh on that front so I think hakee has shown himself as like a practical negotiator someone who can
00:40:27
work with Johnson but I think the the the other Fair commentary is he's young and he's inexperienced what I mean by
00:40:35
leadership is yeah who who is the elder Statesman that can help push and cajo and influence the Democratic party to
00:40:45
find a more solid ground I think one I think one of our best thought leaders is Mark cubin I think he's Mark cubin right
00:40:51
Mark Cuban yeah he he's very influential has a lot of relationships with my colleagues uh myself he has business
00:40:59
experience but I think he's also not lost touch of like what regular people care about and I thought he was an
00:41:06
effective surrogate uh for kamla uh being out there on the trail but I I go to mark on a lot of stuff and and I
00:41:13
think he um understands where most people are how did Kamala get selected how did she get select so she was vice
00:41:21
president and the runway was about 100 days and I we can go through the different scenarios I don't think any of
00:41:26
them good and as you said if if your premise is that President Biden should not have run for re-election making that
00:41:34
decision that close to the election you know I don't know if any candidate you know should there have been a speed
00:41:40
primary like j i we could go through a hundred scenarios there were a bunch of great
00:41:46
candidates I I still think all of them would have probably been set up to fail did you it's too too short of a Runway
00:41:53
did you in your interactions with the president did you say to yourself gosh what's going on here I I didn't and
00:42:00
my colleagues and I I don't think we interacted with him you know that often and we kind of you know we started his
00:42:07
presidency in Co and so the Joe Biden that I knew when I was in a baby you know child in the Congress in 2013 was
00:42:17
very engaged and you know Lov meeting with Congress and the meetings would go an hour over the time allotted and it it
00:42:24
was kind of that Bill Clinton charm offensive that he could put on and I will just tell you like the first two
00:42:31
years with the covid restrictions that we had we didn't see that because we you know we would have remote meetings with
00:42:38
the White House and so um they hit him they hit him I I don't yeah again I don't know I I know I know where we are
00:42:45
now the reports are he was gay c yeah yeah like I said I'm I'm man focus on the future let's talk about the future
00:42:52
let's talk about Doge so you mention wait wait hold on hold on before we talk to Doge yeah yeah ER you were on the
00:42:57
house intelligence committee yes let's talk about Tik Tok yes yeah okay done and dusted what what do you think might
00:43:05
back tomorrow right might might not yeah um you're you're in the room and these things happen there are these off the
00:43:12
record I guess intelligence briefings that happened and um this was a n0 unanimous Supreme Court decision it was
00:43:20
an overwhelming majority yeah in Congress can you just help us understand what needs to happen happen for
00:43:27
something like those two events to happen yeah just be General you don't have to say specifically obviously and
00:43:33
disclose anything that you know but we're just trying to understand how does something when it's such a ranker
00:43:38
congress which can't seem to agree on anything or a supreme court which tends to be five4 on every issue finds a n0
00:43:46
and a super majority in Congress I can you just help us understand so the Supreme Court was not saying whether we
00:43:51
should ban or not ban Tik Tok they were saying the Congress voted president signed corre and there's no way around
00:43:57
this ban so they I think they were just following the law I voted against the ban I think China is the place where you
00:44:05
ban things and the problems that I have with Tik Tok as a father of like three little kids are the problems that I have
00:44:11
with meta and the problems that I have yeah it also so you don't view it you don't view it as a security risk for the
00:44:17
United States and and and I Look to Jim heims who is the senior Democrat on the intelligence committee the ranking
00:44:24
member he's in What's called the gang of eight he has the most exquisite access to intelligence and Jim voted against
00:44:31
the ban and I thought you know what if this guy is not seeing anything on the National Security level there was an off
00:44:37
the Record or confidential briefing to the house intelligence committee so you think in that meeting there was nothing
00:44:43
that was very meaningful that was disclosed about Tik Tok nothing that I had seen is it owned by the Chinese
00:44:48
government absolutely but is there a national security risk I have not seen that hold on a second though I mean if
00:44:56
the Chinese government owns a 100 million plus American phones their location data access to their
00:45:03
microphones access to their cameras how is that not a security risk and where I mean that seems incredibly naive to say
00:45:10
that I want I want to build on what J is saying um we know that there are security vulnerabilities for example in
00:45:15
WhatsApp it's riddled with stuff so you know you could send a PDF before then you could send an image now you can just
00:45:21
send a message and you can root your phone the difference is WhatsApp is owned by an American citizen right I
00:45:26
really and so what which is to say all these apps are compromised it's just that the Tik Tok is owned by a Chinese
00:45:34
owner who is out of the reach of the United States government yeah and is that fair or unfair to you it is out of
00:45:40
the reach of the United States government but what I will say is most of what we buy as far as you know what's
00:45:47
in our basket at Walmart is has a Chinese component what's in our Basket doesn't have a microphone or your GPS
00:45:54
let me say a lot of it does have you seen a lot of stuff you buy um drones Chinese made drones there'ss there's a
00:46:00
whole website now that that breaks down modern consumer electronics from China that actually have these hacking devices
00:46:07
built into them I don't know if you've seen this but like you you'll buy like a USB charger that's like eight bucks on k
00:46:12
or something and it's inside it's got like an IP address and it actually finds Wi-Fi it connects and it transmits
00:46:19
information this is incredibly dangerous like there's so many and I bought this like cheap drone for like Christmas
00:46:24
someone uh for like anyway one of my little neews brought it and I'm like dude this thing is like 149 bucks and I
00:46:31
looked it up online it's like got camera connects to your Wi-Fi and then it asked
00:46:34
for access to your phone and I'm like I'm not doing that like I tweeted this a few months ago I don't think Tik tok's
00:46:39
the issue the USBC charging cables exactly yeah be yeah rooted the charging cables yes this
00:46:47
is this is more reason to B speculative no I don't but I don't think Tik Tok I guess my point is like we Tik Tok you
00:46:53
want to ban everything that's made in China that's great you'll destroy the economy yeah but one thing has 100
00:46:58
million people in an algorithm that could influence people's perception that you know the that Hamas is being
00:47:05
harassed by the Israelis like they they literally can change how Americans especially young ones perceive the world
00:47:13
even if they're not doing it currently do you not see how obvious it is that they can use it it's a censorship point
00:47:21
of view which is government has a ro contr let's get his yeah I guess I'm the only one of the four of us that doesn't
00:47:27
want to ban speech um yeah I'm no I'm with you with you I want I want to B I want either reciprocity where we can put
00:47:33
our apps in China or I want it gone now you're now you're making a different case now you're saying it's like
00:47:39
reciprocity as opposed to controlling first you were saying it's security then you're saying it's like controlling our
00:47:45
point of view now you're saying reciprocity you're like those aren't the same thing here security security risk
00:47:51
likely lies everywhere on security on controlling the point of view of stuff I think you guys have to separate look Tik
00:47:57
Tok there are three things in Tik Tok okay there's the content and the content creators that's one thing then there is
00:48:06
a network effect and then there is the vessel which is the app okay which is the code my very specific point of view
00:48:14
is the content creators and the network effect can easily be replicated in other
00:48:20
places The Vessel itself is corrupt and I think if you can't technically see that it's probably because you just
00:48:27
you're not steeped enough in the techn the intelligence committee doesn't technically see that so clearly they're
00:48:32
not agre they've been caught they've seen tracking got a guy the intelligence committee here tell well but I I also
00:48:38
looked at the small business owners who use that as a platform I understand how you just the buckets that you just cre
00:48:44
people depend on it and more people in the what I was telling the White House was more people watch President Biden's
00:48:49
State of the Union Address on Tik Tok than anywhere else and the and President Biden had just gone on Tik Tok right
00:48:55
before this is the content and the network my point is across meta or across X my preference would be X you
00:49:04
can replicate the network effect and you can create a mechanism for those content
00:49:07
creators who are already on those platforms anyway to shift my point is the vessel itself is easily rooted I I I
00:49:14
told this to president Trump when we were sitting down I was like that phone the microphone on that iPhone can
00:49:19
get turned on remotely you can choose what state actor wants to do it but I will bet you to Donuts it is
00:49:27
inconceivable to me that the NSA did not find that capability and the reason is not because Tik Tok is bad or good the
00:49:35
reason is all of these apps are rooted the only difference is that most of these apps are controlled by American
00:49:40
citizens gives us control mechanism and this app is not yeah I I mean I think Donald Trump is
00:49:48
going to allow Tik Tok well he got 50 million donation from Jeff Yas that and I think he also recogniz I think super
00:49:55
pack 50 million yes and I think the reason he cares is because he knows a lot of his followers are on there and
00:50:01
for whatever reason they didn't CH they have not chosen you what else is very popular exported from China fentol yeah
00:50:06
we should probably ban that too like I mean the fact that it's popular should not be why we are doing that's why I
00:50:11
think you're framing WR popular Jason what I'm saying is you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube and and so
00:50:17
you're take you're going to take away a platform that is on by Americans the weak chosen to go to those other ones
00:50:24
and I just don't think we ban things in America I I think yeah but this is the Chinese Communist Party Jason if you if
00:50:30
you actually they spy on their own citizens if you're just think about this for a second if your business depended
00:50:36
on you using Tik Tok how would you feel about the Tik Tok and you're you're not wealthy you're not most important thing
00:50:42
you guys have to assume that if if it is true that the CCP uses the Chinese version of Tik Tok as a mechanism to
00:50:51
surveil their own people the idea that for an extra few units of resources they wouldn't spy on the most important
00:51:00
powerful nation in the world to me seems pretty illogical and dumb they are going
00:51:06
to they would do it and separately it's not to say that President Trump is using
00:51:12
uh Tik Tok per se or you know important people but it is true that when you have
00:51:17
enough people use an app and those people come into contact with other people like look what happens today how
00:51:23
do you exchange contact information with an iPhone you touch one another there's NFC capability C from Ian just
00:51:31
think naive assum that like technology is very deterministic there are so many good things that happen but there are
00:51:40
people that are paid to find every single edge and to push it because the stakes are high and I just think that
00:51:47
this is an assumption that we have to live with I'm just very cautious when it comes to bands that's that's fair that's
00:51:52
an ideological thing and I age with you CU Cham where this goes is you're like well I don't want to import Korean cars
00:51:59
because they've got electronics that are connected to the internet in every Korean car now the Koreans can spy on
00:52:03
where we are I mean you can very quickly see how this can open up a Floodgate Of
00:52:08
Banning because foreign adversaries could take advantage of us including including B including Banning chip
00:52:14
Imports including Banning router Imports you could very quickly make this a whole
00:52:18
happen with routers literally the number my is literally already with equipment we're going to go down a very nasty
00:52:26
place like we're going down an intelligent route which is to not give access to all of the personal
00:52:32
information of the Sons and Daughters of Representatives of military experts to the Chinese Communist party there there
00:52:40
is a reason why Huawei is banned in America yes yeah security vulnerabilities were found they don't
00:52:45
have our best all of a sudden you think that it stopped there China to like gave
00:52:48
up and said okay I'm saying there's a different let's go watch the dance videos now it's great let the Americans
00:52:54
Dance by way it do a little C isn't the US Revenue Tik Tok for bite dance like 5% if it wasn't important the Chinese
00:53:02
government they would have divested I think it's a 30 or they give up their golden Shar us is 30 or 40 let's move on
00:53:07
to the Border um yeah wait wait Doge we're gonna do Doge okay let's do Doge because you tell us your point of view
00:53:14
on Elon VI coming in what they're going to do what's good about it what you really don't think is good about it you
00:53:19
have concerns yeah well so I do think it's funny that a committee about efficiency has two people running it
00:53:26
that's but I think it it just cut itself in half with if vex's running you know for
00:53:31
governor so that is their first success um I guess you know to cut you know the size of the committee but they got a lot
00:53:37
of people that they've recruited I got it yeah as they said knock yourself out if you want to make it easier for small
00:53:43
businesses you know to start a business if you want to save you know money inal employ federal employees not showing up
00:53:49
to the office yeah look I my staff shows up um and and we benefit from people being in the office we show a lot of
00:53:56
flexib ability uh for people who have family issues kind of on a case-by Case basis um and people with disabilities
00:54:04
have more access to work but I I generally I see the benefits of having everybody at the office and we were one
00:54:11
of the first offices to come back uh on the hill um you know during Co because I
00:54:16
saw the benefit of that and if they can draw a a straight line between you know benefiting our constituents and people
00:54:22
being in the office I'm I'm open-minded to that Eric tell us about um how you think this reconciliation Bill the
00:54:29
budget yeah um it's going to be a very knockout drag out kind of a process um we're going to hit the debt ceiling yeah
00:54:36
tomorrow yeah um and so you guys are going to be back to work right away what do you
00:54:41
expect what I'm going to be asking my constituents you know is tax cuts are proposed and regulations you know
00:54:49
potentially are cut is you know what did you get out of this and what have you lost because if it's just as I said if
00:54:57
it's just kind of a a bro Archy that benefits and and you don't benefit then I won't support it but if you can draw
00:55:04
the line and say you know this business getting this benefit or this corporate tax rate going down means that you know
00:55:12
you're going to do better and dream bigger I can be for that and and so that's what I'm going to be looking at
00:55:17
do you think generally that governments should generally just have less tax receipts and be forced to spend less to
00:55:25
be more ingenious and less over reliant on overpowering things with money yes and frankly a lot of that starts with
00:55:33
the Department of Defense I mean look at where the cost drivers are government yeah I I think that but that means you
00:55:39
need to have alliances in the world right you're going to have if you're going to reduce what you spend on
00:55:43
defense you better strengthen your Partnerships some people on the Republican side so I think it's a
00:55:47
wonderful Point some people on the Republican side say this is why energy is so important for us because when we
00:55:52
have resource Independence it actually allows us to forge and cast many of our relationships abro that then create a
00:55:59
very different security envelope I so I share the the rare earth ex minerals caucus and for this reason and it
00:56:06
probably surprises people that a Bay Area Democrat wants to get the US uh you know back into Mining and that's because
00:56:13
we're getting our ass kicked by China on this uh on the um you know not just the
00:56:18
mining but the processing and the magnetizing but we do have allies who have these resources so we can do it in
00:56:24
the United States there's Mountain Pass where they're doing it with almost 100% uh recycled water so you don't have the
00:56:30
acid Pond issue but you also have countries that you could have I I I helped fun Jim to get that thing off the
00:56:37
ground I've been out there and going it's an incredible thing but even he he will tell you doing these kinds of
00:56:43
projects in America today is almost next to Impossible and the reason he was able
00:56:46
to do it I mean he has support from folks like you which are for thinking but the reason was because it had
00:56:51
already largely been built right and he said if he had tried to get it permitted
00:56:55
that's right uh and it's just a question you know less money for the government less regulation it it almost seems like
00:57:02
sometimes if the Republicans say yay the Democrats say nay and if the Democrats said yay the Republicans would say nay
00:57:08
but if you ask everybody privately everybody agrees the government should have less and to your point business
00:57:13
people should just have more of a wide birth to actually go and work and then be held to account as I said if the
00:57:19
wealth is only concentrated at the top make sure we can point to people at every part of the economic spect yes
00:57:27
that's like but that's a very reasonable thing to say what you're saying well I I
00:57:30
I hope that's how we govern in this next but it doesn't come out that way well I
00:57:35
think this is a key point that what you lead with and what you talk about and what you make a priority that will be
00:57:42
people's perception of your focus right and the perception that I have as somebody who again has voted Democrat
00:57:49
two out of three elections is that you're focused on and talking about things like Dei things like having trans
00:57:58
kids get surgery and no parent agrees with this nobody agrees with this they're banning it around the world and
00:58:05
you guys lead with that that shows a lack of prioritization that is palatable to the voting populace what they want is
00:58:14
effective leadership and when you look at what happened in Southern California it is the height of arrogance that
00:58:20
they're working on things like Dei and saying this is important when the reservoir is not filled when they're not
00:58:25
clearing brush and you have to make tradeoffs in the world and you guys don't seem to be able to communicate
00:58:29
that it's incredibly frustrating for me you can hear it in my voice that you can
00:58:33
say you know what we care about nature we care about the trees but you can't have trees on the floor around homes in
00:58:39
a fire oh you said floor you didn't say ground so no I'm going to not listen to you or we can't get minerals that we're
00:58:47
going to be dependent on China for minerals right it we need those minerals we cannot be dependent on foreign
00:58:54
adversaries to make important weapon systems to make important things like electric vehicles and you guys are
00:59:01
concerned about the cranes and trans kids being able to get surgery that nobody wants that's the problem with the
00:59:07
party we need a better story and I don't think stop focusing on those weird things don't leave that story with the
00:59:13
concerns people have with Dei although I would argue now the new Dei is Don Eric
00:59:19
and Ivanka and people probably won't like that approach to it uh either is that you floating the tri you're trying
00:59:25
to I'm not sure but okay we need a better story and I look forward to being that
00:59:32
the first time work we Workshop it yeah yeah you're GNA have to Workshop that way yeah I mean
00:59:39
listen there's a long tradition in these parties of the kids being grifters Hunter everybody's getting in on it um
00:59:45
but let's let's close on the borders no no hold on before we do that I just want
00:59:49
to ask you about um should the United States spend $200 billion doll to acquire Greenland from Denmark I don't
00:59:55
give a if he tries to acquire Greenland I just want the cost of eggs to go down that's what my constituents are
01:00:01
promising knock yourself out go get green Minal right security aspect of course there's there there's benefits
01:00:06
there but I I just I want to know you said you're going to lower the cost of eggs eggs are pretty expensive what like
01:00:13
how are you going to do that and if you can tell me that you know spending $200 billion to get Greenland is going to
01:00:18
help lower our cost great but I think people want to see costs come down I have a question about today I just want
01:00:24
to actually go back in time uh today are there any of President Trump's nominees
01:00:31
that uh really give you Aida and if so who and why and who's inspiring you mean give some credit if there's something
01:00:38
like inspiring yeah who do you like give give us one that inspires you and give us one I I think Rubio's GNA do a great
01:00:43
job Secretary State I think he's he has the the gravitas and the experience uh to do it and I want I want to see that
01:00:51
happen Kos Patel is the one that I I think could destroy the president's uh agenda because can you say more well
01:00:58
what I see and I may be a little bit biased because the guy wrote a book he listed 100 enemies I'm not in that 100
01:01:05
I'm actually in the Preamble he starts it with of course Adam Schiff and Eric swell are the most dangerous people well
01:01:11
you were part of the house Russia Russi investigation but I I do believe if if the president focuses on going after his
01:01:18
enemies he's going to lose the ability to bring order to the Border yep to get the most violent uh you know the most
01:01:27
violent undocumented immigrants out of the country yeah and make people feel safe in communities where they don't
01:01:33
feel safe what do you think about Jason's comment um do you think that we should
01:01:38
systematically uh work through a process to deport 15 million illegal I I think you should focus on violent
01:01:46
offenders sexual so let's say you get that done in six months what do you do after that uh well you also need order
01:01:52
at the border right I mean and I I support surging resources to bring that but 40% of my constituents were born
01:01:58
outside the United States we are the eighth wealthiest District in the country no thanks to me I'm not
01:02:04
contributing to that wealth there is a straight line between those immigrants and that wealth and so if we can find a
01:02:11
way to address you know shortages in the workforce in agriculture Hospitality food and beverage of course we see it in
01:02:18
biotech and Tech I think we can have the best in the world I just leave it leave
01:02:23
you with this a foreign minister uh in Asia said to me in the past year he said Eric he said you know the population of
01:02:31
the United States is 3 billion people and I looked at him and I said no you mean it's like 300 plus million I
01:02:38
thought he misspoke he said no he said there are three billion people in the world who would give up everything to
01:02:45
come to the United States and he said if you get it right he said you can pick the best that's right absolutely
01:02:50
recruitment as opposed to immigration is a better framework yes go go back please
01:02:55
you mentioned this uh the house Russia investigation created a lot of yeah um talking points on both sides that I
01:03:03
think are still lingering and in the spirit of sort of putting it to bed um any regrets about that whole process
01:03:13
uh was there anything substantive that came out of It ultimately or was it the beginning of this more politically
01:03:20
directed kind of Action Reaction which is now why people are afraid about what happen s you know Russia had a preferred
01:03:28
candidate and they did a lot to try and get that guy to win I think he could have and I think he may regret that in a
01:03:36
lot of his trolling he made himself look guiltier when he probably could have shown us that the concerns we had
01:03:43
weren't there but I I don't I'm not going to dwell on that I'm not going to you know focus on the fact that he was
01:03:48
impeached twice and sent a mob that you know could have killed many of the people in the capital with me on January
01:03:53
6 I'm GNA focus on if he wants to bring order to the Border make our community safer and raise wages and lower costs
01:04:00
I'm going to work with what I meant what I meant more I think that's a ad yeah work backwards from yeah an outcome or
01:04:07
do you think you and Adam actually just followed the facts and I was a alam County prosecutor uh in the same office
01:04:14
Earl Warren you know worked in and we were trained that it's not about wins and losses it's just about doing Justice
01:04:20
and I approached it just trying to follow the fact and when you were watching some of the other things that
01:04:25
happened post all of this yeah like what's happening in New York and whatnot what were your thoughts for as a
01:04:29
prosecutor on the legal veracity of some of the things that were going on to to Trump leading into this
01:04:36
election a lot of people around him went to jail and it felt like well if Michael
01:04:41
Cohen went to jail like why the [ __ ] is this guy not being held to account like
01:04:46
Michael Cohen went to jail for being a part of that hush money settlement so again just being a bluecollar kid who
01:04:54
resents people who think that their position entitles them to be better than regular folks I just wanted everyone to
01:05:02
be treated the same and and so that's the way I was raised my dad lost his job as a cop when he wouldn't essentially be
01:05:10
get bribed when he wouldn't allow a bribe from a mayor um to influence him and and he well that's amazing T that
01:05:17
that was my ear experience in a small town in Iowa and he was the police chief the mayor very publicly tried to like
01:05:24
corrupt him and he wouldn't do so my earliest memory is that he was willing to lose his job to do the right thing no
01:05:31
but you're saying something very important which is everybody should be treated the same so correct if if one of
01:05:35
your kids were charged with a misdemeanor would you hope that it was just prosecuted as a misdemeanor or do
01:05:41
you think that folks that may not like Eric swall well figure out a way to now make it a felony the former yeah okay
01:05:47
yeah I mean as I said I'm I'm going into this open mind what we can do no I'm I'm
01:05:53
just saying into this New Year open minded not focused on the past on what we can do to make the country succeed
01:05:59
yeah and On the Border issue I think that's the one where you all could maybe get some consensus and some clarity
01:06:07
because it really does seem to be creating an underlying tension in the country as to what's going to happen and
01:06:12
you can't do anything on the workforce issues until the public believes youve secured the Border that's just a whether
01:06:17
that's rational or not how much of that was why you think kamla lost was just her not taking ownership of the Border I
01:06:24
just think she was attached to an incumbent party incumbent parties worldwide are just getting pounded and
01:06:31
there wasn't much that was going to change where this thing was going what's what's happening in
01:06:37
California well give us give us the grade on G which Republican will be the next governor of
01:06:43
California uh well they they don't have their [ __ ] together either by the way the Republican party in California um
01:06:48
look I'm I I was in the palates on Monday um I have 10 friends who lost everything I was with a woman who stood
01:06:56
on top of a pile of Ashes that was her house looking for any momento for her family and it it's it's awful and I I
01:07:06
will also be open-minded as to what we could have done to prevent it to prevent it why resources that should have been
01:07:13
there weren't there and as a member of the homeland security committee uh make sure that you know we're better prepared
01:07:19
next time and if there is accountability that should have that should come uh to
01:07:23
be a part of that but like there's fires are still burning right now and so I don't want to be that Meme where it's
01:07:28
like you know the guy that like last week I was a hostage expert this week I'm a wildfire expert us that's that's
01:07:34
our function my my job is is to look at you know what we could have done who should be held accountable but with a
01:07:41
fire still burning and familes you know living uh with friends and relatives right now um I I don't want to hop I
01:07:48
don't want to give this a hot take yet yeah fair enough fair enough thank you all right everybody uh Eric we really
01:07:54
appreciate your candidness and good luck reing the party okay thanks awesome great job
01:08:01
brother all right welcome back to the all-in podcast at the inauguration of Donald Trump our 47th president and
01:08:09
we're really delighted to have friend of the Pod Rana back on the program he is the US Representative for California's
01:08:16
17th District AKA our hometown Silicon Valley how are you Ro honored to be back on you made it big time huh You're Now
01:08:24
like in these inauguration Jason's a republican now did you know that no I remain a moderate
01:08:30
Jason I'm holding on to you as the Democrat and Silicon Valley I'm a I'm I've always been a moderate I like to
01:08:36
vote for what I believe is the most qualified person and this time around I was a they call in your business a
01:08:42
double hater and let's let's get right into that with the Democratic party uh you guys got shellacked um the candidate
01:08:50
who you put up didn't go through a primary the previous candidate seemed to be incognitive decline we can all agree
01:08:58
and it feels like a bit of a mess in the party what is going to happen to the Democratic party going forward is there
01:09:06
a voice saying this is the plan or is it a little Game of Thrones right now we're
01:09:11
all wondering where are the Democrats it feels like you went dark and is that a strategy to just sort of let Trump have
01:09:18
his moment and then come back and be adversarial or you know State a new platform what's going on inside the
01:09:25
democra party and think crises are times for reform and renewal and the reality is that this was a huge blow to the
01:09:34
establishment of the party uh people wanted a more competitive process they want new voices they want a new
01:09:41
generation of leadership uh and now that's going to emerge and so you're seeing it happening in California with
01:09:48
Dan lurry uh winning in San Francisco for mayir Matt Mayan winning in uh San Jose you're seeing new people in
01:09:55
Congress emerging new Governors emerging and so I think that there's going to be
01:09:59
a lot of reflection one of the things I've said is the Democrats need to spend as much time understanding why many
01:10:07
Americans voted for Donald Trump as we do criticizing Donald Trump and uh I think you're starting to see that happen
01:10:15
what do you think the new platform will be if you had to think of you know things to remove from the platform and
01:10:22
things to prioritize in the platform if you were in charge or Jean Phillips friend of the pot as well um there's
01:10:27
some people who who feel you know there's more important issues than the ones that maybe you've been focused on
01:10:34
that you the Democratic party has been focused on for this last election cycle so maybe give us two or three ideas of
01:10:40
what you would add to the agenda and two or three things that you might say hey this isn't a priority for Americans
01:10:44
anymore I think the whole thing has to be about prioritizing the economy the economic independence of Americans how
01:10:51
are we going to have economic renewal economic growth uh in a stagnant working in middle class and then let's argue our
01:10:59
different Visions Donald Trump says that the way he's going to turn around Johnstown and Youngstown and down river
01:11:06
Michigan is just with uh a large tax cuts and deregulation our view has got to be that it has to involve technology
01:11:14
leaders Business Leaders but also strategic government Investments to be able to build new industry there to be
01:11:20
able to credential new folks there to be able to build a Workforce but we have to
01:11:25
offer a compelling economic vision and then an economic Vision so people aren't dependent on uh the denials of Private
01:11:33
health insurance and so that they have child care but I think whoever wins the argument that there's going to lead
01:11:38
America in the 21st century on the economy uh and on economic independence is going to win Ro do you you you're
01:11:44
saying government investment in building new businesses building new Industries is necessary to achieve that vision and
01:11:51
that's a better alternative what is the historical kind of examples where um policies where
01:11:58
government was going to go start new Investments start fundamentally supporting new businesses being built
01:12:04
that's worked successfully and work better than free markets like the the the the Republican argument is the free
01:12:09
market is more efficient the free market works better let capital and capitalists
01:12:14
find where the capital is best applied it'll be more efficiently utilized versus government making the decision
01:12:19
about where Capital should go it's typically lower Roi very often negative Roi and doesn't actually create aable
01:12:26
economic growth I think ask me government investment that's Market sustainable but you look at Hamilton you
01:12:32
look at Lincoln and you look at FDR that is in my view what Built America infrastructure uh well it's
01:12:37
infrastructure but it's also manufacturing I mean I have a build to build new steel plants in Johnstown in
01:12:44
Ohio now you need the private sector you need Cleveland Cliffs you need a a private Steel company but if we're going
01:12:50
to finance that the scaling of that uh the federal government has to have some role uh and what we ended up having in
01:12:58
free market uh economics is China last week one trillion dollar Trade Surplus now we are at almost a trillion dollar
01:13:08
trade deficit yep you know the economics well so that's financed with a capital account Surplus that means all that
01:13:14
money is coming into to Wall Street wall Street's doing really well the finance sector is doing really well but it's
01:13:18
hollowed out our manufacturing base it's hollowed out our industrial base that is
01:13:23
free market economics gone too far that's globalization is what some of the non- neocon Republicans would say is
01:13:30
that global trade versus cut off some of the global trade create a tariff program
01:13:35
with China and will reignite manufacturing that's kind of a a counter policy argument but to your point it's a
01:13:40
different point of view that uses different set of data to make the case and I I'd agree with some of the
01:13:46
Strategic terrorist I just don't think that's going to be enough for us to have pill factories here have uh the steel
01:13:53
factories aluminum factories to to Revitalize these areas and to look at what is the invest you think we need
01:13:58
government programs I think we need government partnering with the private sector and on DG so you know do you feel
01:14:05
and does the party feel that there should be no deregulatory effort in the United States to unleash kind of you
01:14:13
know economic investment and growth or like this this whole point just you know it just feels wrong to me to say like we
01:14:19
don't want DG like shouldn't DG be a thing that we're always cutting back things bureaucracy bureaucratic red tape
01:14:24
that we've created to unleash I mean even Gavin H's making this claim now in California with respect to the
01:14:28
rebuilding I I think you need Effective Government I think execution matters and
01:14:33
I think there's Fair criticisms to say that the execution of the chips and science act which I helped WR or the IRA
01:14:39
wasn't enough I mean the money didn't get out fast enough the the bureaucracy in permitting uh was uh was slow and if
01:14:47
there are ways to make government procurement more competitive that is good I mean why is it that five primes
01:14:53
are dominating uh the defense procurement system so Michael Bloomberg had a plan which I think seems pretty
01:14:59
reasonable have 15% of Department of Defense spending for startups and Innovative uh technology as opposed to
01:15:06
just going for the five primes that's regulatory reform but we also have to look at the fundamental why is Intel not
01:15:13
succeeding we asked PT Ginger who was uh asked to leave in Intel uh and I said is
01:15:20
it was it the permitting reform and he said no it's that the the the capital expenditures to make wall Street's
01:15:25
numbers uh were was very high and there was no no procurement Apple everything's
01:15:30
too expensive in this country by the way this goes back to nuclear energy it's too expensive to build a gigawatt of
01:15:36
nuclear power in this country it's too takes too long meanwhile China can do it for about a tenth of the price and
01:15:41
they're scaling up 300 XR rate in terms of new energy production and they can do
01:15:45
it in half the time half the time a tenth of the cost and there's a regulatory path for Gen 4 reactors going
01:15:52
up in China versus here I'm for nuclear energy for smart modular nuclear energy I'm for looking at how we uh build
01:15:59
nuclear energy here in the United States in a safe way but in one that I agree that our part my party has been opposed
01:16:06
to largely so this is really important because I think what happens is the Republicans order Democrats will come
01:16:11
forward with a general policy statement we need to DG to unleash economic Prosperity or DG to unleash nuclear but
01:16:19
the the other party then says well we've got to figure out a way to attack them on that vector and then they take this
01:16:25
like diametrically opposed point of view to try and diminish the strength that they're gaining because of their strong
01:16:31
policy perspective that may be good for America and then we end up in this unfortunate circumstance where we can't
01:16:36
ever align on the things that really are good for America that's how I feel as an
01:16:40
American looking at how the the parties attack each other one party says this is
01:16:44
a good thing for America why doesn't the other party say you're absolutely right
01:16:47
we all agree on that let's move forward can you can you give the win on Doge like government efficiency seems like
01:16:52
consensus well I've gotten criticized because I put out an innocent tweet and have said that uh if musk and ramaswami
01:17:00
have a good idea then I want to look at that and you know musk disrupted the entire pentagon with SpaceX I mean he
01:17:08
worked with Ash Carter to do that the track record's there the track record is there so if he's going to and you have
01:17:13
all of the progressives like me saying the defense budget is bloated 56% of spending we need to figure out how to
01:17:19
have more competition we need to look at the waste that is there I mean spending
01:17:23
$150,000 on soap dispensers and so now if musk is it's really is Boeing $150,000 60 Minutes
01:17:32
$1,00 for breast pumps I mean I think it's outrageous yeah and so now because musk is saying let's look at the defense
01:17:39
department you don't want to do it even though you've been saying to do that for
01:17:42
the past five six years that's the stuff that drives people crazy or I Flo in uh
01:17:48
you know that Bob Iger would be a a good person to run next time for for mayor of
01:17:52
of La he's considering it well I mean did he tell you that when you talking yeah I don't want to to talk about what
01:17:58
he what we've talked about privately I just think he'd be you did ask him I did ask him I I I and so now I'm getting uh
01:18:05
attacked for well am I for an oligarch that's that's literally my my Twitter stream B's an oligarch you look at
01:18:12
Disney I said I want someone who's going to rebuild this this place he it would actually be a public service for him
01:18:18
after I want popcorn and lemonade stands on every corner in La FDR FDR went FDR was one of the
01:18:25
wealthiest people John F Kennedy so I think there's got to be a there's got to be common sense yeah how do we actually
01:18:32
help people that has to be the the metric and willingness to to to work across the A on things yeah it it does
01:18:39
seem in the wake of what's happened in Southern California Pacific Palisades and all the other regions uh that were
01:18:47
impacted that a large number of affluent um and and voters and people who are AC in politics are now saying
01:18:56
it's kind of enough the progressivism went too far left we need really qualified people in office and so what
01:19:04
do you think's going to happen in California and what impact do you think these 12,000 14,000 homes being
01:19:12
destroyed and of course the 25 people who lost their lives tragically what impact is that going to have is you
01:19:17
think that's a turning point in some ways I do I I mean first of all it's just horrific and I'm sure you know
01:19:23
people CP friends who lost lost their homes they're alive and that's what's important but they did lose everything
01:19:29
they lost everything and I mean a place has just burned down it's it's it's devastating and I think it's just a
01:19:36
culmination in California of something that's been creeping up which is governance matters execution matters yes
01:19:44
keeping places safe matters making sure that we're pragmatic matters and that's why you saw Dan Lorry win that's why you
01:19:51
saw Matt Mayhan win that's why you've seen uh sort of reason able people in District Attorneys when I think that's
01:19:58
and you're going to see that in La I think you're going to see that in the governor's race I I do think California
01:20:03
is saying regardless of your ideology on issues we need to be able to govern well
01:20:09
so you have the economy um I think safety's up there for folks uh what else do you think on that short list of
01:20:16
things that the party in California could say to the voters in terms of winning them back and letting them
01:20:27
understand you're focused on something other than in their perception Dei maybe environmental overreach I can't believe
01:20:34
I'm saying that but like the fact that people don't believe in clearing the forest around homes and they're fighting
01:20:39
it on environmental grounds well I mean it doesn't take a rocket science to understand rocket scientist to
01:20:46
understand that these wildfires have been occurring for a long time you got the salt in of science here who can go
01:20:52
into the science of it and that if you want to live live near a forest in a fire zone you kind of got to clean up
01:20:58
the detrius on the forest floor like it feels like we you know the the the leadership in California is kind of
01:21:06
pressing company excluded kind of lost the script here huh I think it's reasonable to ask why the brush wasn't
01:21:11
cleared outside La I got in trouble for asking that I said these are legitimate questions that's not going after people
01:21:18
and I supported Karen bass in disclos full disclosure against Rich Caruso I was PRI to do it but if Caruso asked
01:21:24
reasonable questions the whole point of being in governance is you say okay the guy had a good point you're disappointed
01:21:30
in her performance the fact that she's out of the country going back in time would you vote would you have endorsed
01:21:35
Caruso knowing what you know now I I don't know if I would have endorsed him but I I I I certainly think it's fair to
01:21:41
say that people are disappointed in what's what's happening I'd Endo someone like Iger or others I think there's I
01:21:47
certainly think there needs to be a a new mayor do you think there was any reason for her to be in
01:21:52
Ghana but she said she said says that she went on uh the presid the inauguration of the president the
01:21:58
inauguration I I she was in a palace having cocktails yeah whether if there were actual warnings before I think she
01:22:05
would probably say she should she even be going to Ghana as the mayor of a city that has no economic vacation I suppose
01:22:11
no well that no look that's a common thing where the president of both parties ask people Mayors Governors I
01:22:18
haven't been asked as the congressman yet to to represent them at a at a forign inauguration is that yeah that's
01:22:24
a common thing and I don't if there weren't the warnings I don't think that's a big big issue or know she's
01:22:29
going to Paris because you know the uh La is hosting the Olympics the question is though your first priority and if
01:22:35
there were warnings if she should explain why why why why she didn't go and I I like her I think she's a good
01:22:42
person but the question is uh what is it going to take going forward but the big
01:22:46
point about one of the points about what what we need to do differently other than the economics is we've got to also
01:22:52
go around the country and say my party is not going to look down on people who we have different uh cultural or social
01:22:58
viewpoints with I think there was this sense of condescension and that if you disagree with someone somehow our party
01:23:05
is morally Superior and that's got to stop and this whole thing about if we disagree the policy generally is wrong
01:23:12
which is I think disting distinguishing the policy from the party um do you think California has a chance
01:23:21
of electing a republican governor in 26 do you think that that chance is now greater than 50% after the
01:23:29
wildfires I still think and I will uh support most likely the Democrat I mean whoever the good a good Democrat is
01:23:36
there are a lot of good Democrats uh that can run but you know I mean AR schweger was a Republican and can a
01:23:43
republican who is a pro-choice and take some of the social issues off the table be competitive yeah I think the
01:23:49
Democratic party would be naive uh to take that for granted and we need to have thoughtful strong people on our
01:23:56
side run and run understanding people care about Public Safety they want Effective Government they want uh reform
01:24:03
I mean people like Matt Mayhan uh who now have had a couple years and have been effective uh are are the type of
01:24:10
Democrats I think that can win Statewide what are your thoughts on um Tik Tock uh
01:24:16
going dark in the last 24 hours here it's terrible i've been I've been vocal we had 1.3 million people sign a
01:24:22
petition never had that in ERS of magnitude saying keep uh Tik Tock uh because they like the product or they
01:24:29
make a living on it it's yeah it's first of all it's the the stories about people
01:24:33
who make a living I there was one person a content creator her husband cheated on
01:24:37
her abusive marriage she leaves she's got four kids uh two toddlers uh and two people around two kids around five and
01:24:47
she's broke she's in a hotel uh she's staying in her best friend's uh living room for 4 months and then she starts
01:24:53
telling her story and now she's making 60 770,000 as a content creator I could tell you 50 stories like this of people
01:24:59
are actually relying on this for their livelihood some people are making it making using it to make rent and then
01:25:06
you have the issue of free speech and uh just being able to express it now people
01:25:10
say what about China well why don't you pass a broad uh broader law that says any interference by a foreign government
01:25:18
in algorithms is going to be illegal and criminal Well India banned these apps and we're not India they're prettyy
01:25:25
Savvy though I mean these things are an attack Vector you can remotely control these phones they were caught spying on
01:25:33
journalists and uh they could shape public policy so and they've had years to divest seems to me that the Chinese
01:25:40
government sees this as a strategic military asset do you disagree with that I do I one I think the United States has
01:25:47
a much much more robust tradition of free speech than in than in India and and so I think our consider are are
01:25:55
different I also think we have far more capability in making sure that we protect our data uh and protect any
01:26:02
foreign interference in algorithms now president Trump has floated this idea that uh you have 50% us ownership my
01:26:10
understanding is 60% of the investors already are are us investors uh I will work with him and Mike Waltz I know very
01:26:17
well we were co-chair of the India caucus together in Congress I will work with them in a bipartisan way to figure
01:26:22
out how do we have this app operational if the Chinese government spies on their
01:26:26
own people why wouldn't they spy on their adversary the American people well certainly they would but the question is
01:26:32
are they uh can we protect the American people from that happening on this app we can uh as long as we have two clear
01:26:40
laws one that the data stays here by the way a lot of the data that's going to CH
01:26:44
the China communist party is through data Brokers there's no law against that so pass a law that all data of Americans
01:26:51
if it goes to in the hands which by the way there's us companies that are selling that that data there's us
01:26:54
companies that are buying that data any third party can access that data if they
01:26:58
want to buy it in one of the markets that stuff exists it's existed for a very long time yeah and and the irony of
01:27:05
it is going back to the trade deficit China's got a the same week China announces one trillion dollar Trade
01:27:11
Surplus they're building more drones than us more ships than us more steel than us uh we're talking about banning
01:27:17
this Tik Tock app electricity yeah know what about the concept of reciprocity would you be uh in favor of requiring
01:27:25
that we have our social networks in China if they want to have theirs here I would be in favor of us pushing for our
01:27:31
social media networks to be there just because of Free Speech but I would not allow the Chinese Communist party to be
01:27:38
controlling any social media app or having any influence whether it's on Tik Tok or whether it's on uh any other app
01:27:45
I don't want to name another app because I don't want to malign other apps uh uh
01:27:49
incorrectly but they pass a law that says it's a criminal offense if an executive this country is found
01:27:56
collaborating or overseeing any app that has any influence in the algorithms by the Chinese Communist party or if our
01:28:03
data goes to the in the hands of the Chinese Communist party you could you could have a law while still keeping Tik
01:28:08
Tock operational yeah you litigate the outcome you don't litigate the method I I don't trust China as much as your
01:28:13
gentleman do um talk about Jason it's not about trusting China and you keep trying to characterize it as like people
01:28:18
being pro China if they're Pro free speech or they're Pro giving people the only platform you can you're making you
01:28:24
continue to make assumptions about security when there are security issues with a lot of apps and security issues
01:28:29
with a lot of phones they don't have the same scale as Tik Tok this great the scale of Tik Tok is extraordinary I'll
01:28:34
tell you where we got the politics wrong I I mean so Donald Trump comes in there
01:28:39
and he says you know what the Chinese took your jobs they took your steel jobs they took your auto jobs and we're going
01:28:45
to have tariffs and by the way this Tik Tock thing pretty popular app for young people we're going to keep it what do
01:28:53
what what do we do we do the exact opposite we are running ads we don't want tariffs so we're telling all these
01:28:59
folks in the midwest that we're opposed to the policies that could save some of their jobs and then we're telling all
01:29:05
these young people that we want to ban Tik Tok and fair they didn't take the jobs we gave them to them at some point
01:29:12
I think we've got it one of the things the Democrats need to do is stop listening to the foreign policy blob and
01:29:17
the Beltway exe you know uh pundits who got fancy titles and fancy think tanks every time we get these letters 500
01:29:26
groups 200 groups I said who are these groups these are 200 groups with 130 people it's like every person as three
01:29:32
groups and we're listening to them as opposed to I just popped up five groups while
01:29:37
we're speaking here you know and I and I think part of what Trump was doing I mean I I and I obviously totally oppose
01:29:43
him I voted for his impeachment twice but it was sort of like in the in our world AB testing or fast uh iterations
01:29:50
he' put out ideas he' get feedback he iterates it may not call it that but he's just kind of gauging where people
01:29:56
let's talk about one of those ideas Americans want the border secure there's no doubt about that the statistics just
01:30:01
show it 80% Americans want it kind of shut down and be orderly and legal maybe even more um but this idea that we're
01:30:10
going to drag 15 million people out of the country word drag because he continues
01:30:15
to no I'm just quoting Steve Bannon and uh Stephen Miller who work uh one of them worked in the first Administration
01:30:21
and architect is first win and the other one is the most powerful person inside the administration this time so I'm just
01:30:26
quoting people they say day one 15 million are going so do you think that's actually going to happen and do you
01:30:33
think it should happen it shouldn't happen whether it's actually going to happen or not I don't know is the answer
01:30:41
whether they're going to try what do you think should happen I think you should have people who are convicted first of
01:30:46
all we need a secure border uh we need to encourage people to come here through the legal process like my parents did or
01:30:55
like so many you say encourage do you say encourage or require require but but but to do that we've got to have reform
01:31:01
to make that more possible because right now that's a a a a very hard thing to do
01:31:07
uh and it wasn't as hard by the way when my father came and the 1960s studied engineering had a green card within
01:31:13
months of of of graduating so how do we do that but of course uh require people to come through the legal process uh and
01:31:21
secure the Border I don't deny that there's been the but and then for those who are
01:31:27
criminals here who are convicted convicted of crimes fine Deport people we all agree on that those all seem
01:31:34
logical and and obvious but but in terms of so let me tell you someone in my district without telling her name and
01:31:40
you you tell me what what should happen with this person she's a she's been in the country she's undocumented she came
01:31:45
to to to see me with a a group of people uh she's a dental hygienist uh her daughter is going to med school she
01:31:53
undocumented she's undocumented do you consider yourself to be her representative she's not a citizen of
01:31:58
the United States she doesn't have a legal right to vote are you representing that undocumented non-american person I
01:32:04
am supposed to represent everyone in the district that lives there regardless of
01:32:08
their citizenry I I my my citizenship I don't we don't ask in terms of their citizenship in terms of just being a
01:32:16
representative of the area if everyone no I won't but as a congress member you believe that you should represent
01:32:21
non-americans that happen to be iled in your region in your District I don't think I don't think that I need to
01:32:27
represent their political views but if they're being abused in terms of the process in some way and they came to us
01:32:34
within the law uh we would figure out how they got due process now would have empathy and sympathy for the person
01:32:42
living in your District even if they weren't legal is what you're saying I think it's quite reasonable if I may
01:32:47
interpret yeah I mean that's that's a more eloquent way of putting it but let me just tell you about this this person
01:32:51
so she's she her daughter is in uh med school in in Southern California she drives down once a month and drives back
01:33:00
cuz she can't afford a hotel down there and the reason she can't afford a hotel is she's being underpaid as a dental
01:33:05
hygienist for 20 years now do you really think we need to deport her and what is
01:33:10
that going to do to our daughter or do can we find a path sounds like a great potential American so well the the the
01:33:16
um the alternative point of view someone would say I'll play the The Advocate the
01:33:20
devil's advocate here they would say but there is another American who is qualified to be a dental hygienist who
01:33:26
cannot get a job who would be getting paid more because they are a citizen and they are legal and documented this
01:33:32
person is undercharging their employer and they are taking a job away from American that's what the counterargument
01:33:38
would be from some people so there are two things one I agree that if there's someone who is in a position that is
01:33:44
undocumented or even on an H1B and they are being underpaid that's wrong that's why we need reform so that people are
01:33:52
being paid appropriately and aren't being employers aren't abusing the process to drive down Market wages but
01:33:59
the argument that they're taking American jobs misses a central point and that is when you have a immigrant as a
01:34:06
worker yes you're increasing the labor Supply and the supp if you increase Supply that drives down price or wages
01:34:13
but you're also increasing demand because they're spending a lot of money on things and most I've always viewed
01:34:18
this to be more of a demand part of the equation for growing the US population is you can actually increase the
01:34:23
economic growth so let's put a number on this you know so clearly you don't believe these people should be dragged
01:34:28
out of the country correct I think we're in agreement on that some people are not
01:34:33
magga 1.0 do you believe they should be dragged out it's a long uh let's I don't
01:34:37
want to put you on this F no no it's it's not that simple um and I'm really hung over today so I'm not going to be
01:34:42
super articulate about it um what about that Dental High J who's been here for 20 years would you give her amnesty I
01:34:48
would seems like a great American working hard a ly being empathetic I think for me would always
01:34:56
be a priority that person should not lose their job lose their life that's a very hard circumstance at the same time
01:35:02
there are a lot of Americans who feel they are getting underpaid that they don't have jobs and there's empathy that
01:35:07
I think is part of the alternative side of that equation so I would you know let
01:35:11
me let me ask this question whenever we talk about immigration we never have a number put
01:35:16
on it and we never have a point we don't have a point based system here so it devolves into this discussion we're
01:35:23
having right here which is oh they they stole our jobs and wages are down in the
01:35:27
face of the lowest unemployment of our lifetime uh 4% and seven eight million jobs out there there's two jobs for
01:35:34
every person who's unemployed if you do that basic math now of course there's some disparity in people having the
01:35:39
skills to take certain jobs and and geography putting all that aside we have 340 million Americans would a would an
01:35:45
easy situation here be to say we will import People based on the need in the country so if we don't have enough
01:35:52
people working in healthcare we're going to open up um and if unemployment's under 10% we'll have three million
01:35:59
people coming a year we'll have two million people coming a year and just put a number on it and then have
01:36:03
Americans and our Representatives debate that number why don't you guys do this well I say two things I think my view of
01:36:10
why we have lost jobs and stagnation has been the offshoring of so much of our industry and the hollowing out of towns
01:36:17
and communities where we just watched as wealth piled up in districts like ours not because we people in our district
01:36:24
stole the wealth from Youngstown or down river it's just that the wealth was piling up industry was being offshored
01:36:30
and there was kind of indifference towards it and if we want real solutions we need to have economic revitalization
01:36:36
instead of blaming the dental hygienist in my district like that's not why uh you know Johnstown or war in Ohio are
01:36:43
suffering they the broader point though is that we have a number on uh green cards and uh legal immigrants around 1.4
01:36:50
million a year uh and then we should de how do we uh where which categories do you want to increase it why uh and how
01:36:58
do you get people out of these status where they're being underpaid I do think that's what's hurting is this is whether
01:37:04
you're on an H1 and you're there for years and you're being underpaid uh or whether you're undocumented and being
01:37:10
underpaid that's hurts the American worker far more than when that's such an important Point people don't understand
01:37:16
this about the h-1bs is they are transferable but you have 30 days which makes essentially as it was explained to
01:37:23
me when I was in the it business these are indentured servants and they don't have choice and they have this you know
01:37:29
threat that they're constantly under if you don't do what we say as an employer and you don't accept the salary you're
01:37:34
going to be out of the country exactly and you're going to have to take your family with you would an easier solution
01:37:38
to be to just charge 10% of the salary into a pool as a tax so people don't abuse it the salaries go up have a
01:37:45
minimum salary and give them maybe a year to find another job what do you think of that I I think that type of a
01:37:52
solution is reasonable and have them be paid well I mean this idea that they're being abused you know put a floor or
01:37:58
have it be the prioritized based on the the highest wages because that's a reflective of uh talent coming in uh but
01:38:06
you know you don't want a situation like now where you're on a H1 for three years
01:38:09
then you get it extended uh because you apply for a green card to six years and then while your green card application
01:38:15
is in process it keeps getting extended so these folks are here 10 12 years and and and and the abuse of it and and my
01:38:22
view is you know I think the American people are pretty decent and fair I grew up in Bucks County Pennsylvania It was
01:38:28
95 98% white it was a few indian-american families and I grew up with a belief that you could do anything
01:38:35
in America look at you and and you know the country trusted me to represent a district with1 trillion of value of the
01:38:42
most economically prosperous Place perhaps in the history of humanity Pro perhaps right and I I I just think that
01:38:51
that is America and people are upset at the extremes they're upset at the abuses
01:38:56
they're upset that there wasn't a process at the border but deep down this country has always been one that
01:39:02
Embraces uh immigration and most IM almost most immigrants tend to be very patriotic so when you hear Stephen
01:39:09
Miller say America is for Americans and American only you think that flies in the face of the spirit of this country I
01:39:16
say what does he mean by Americans I you know what I want to do I'd love to have
01:39:19
lunch with them actually you know maybe have him on all be great yeah you want to join for that if we I'd love to and
01:39:27
you know we should all instead of just reading every tweet you know read Lincoln's I heard he's a guy that if you
01:39:32
sit down with him and have a long form conversation you get a lot more than what the the short form media uh bites
01:39:37
have been about him so I'd actually be really yeah no I would love to have M because I watch his entire speech and
01:39:42
the way he speaks seems incredibly xenophobic and a bit racist to me so what I would I would argue what I would
01:39:48
ask him about is is is without being too uh uh pedantic about history is Lincoln
01:39:55
has the speech in 1858 uh on Independence Day and the challenge for Lincoln is to say how is a German
01:40:01
American or French americanamerican because back then to be American you literally had to trace one
01:40:07
great-grandparent who fought the Revolutionary War how could you be American if no one in your family fought
01:40:11
the Revolutionary War and Lincoln has This brilliant formulation that he says you're flesh of the Flesh Blood of the
01:40:17
blood uh of the founders if you believe in the Constitution if you believe in the Declaration of Independence and so
01:40:23
I'd say to Stephen do you do you still believe that what how are you define okay if you don't too right I mean we
01:40:28
could have that discussion in America if we're pulling the ladder up now and we're not a land of immigrants but I
01:40:33
agree with you I'm an immigrant I think the immigrants are the most patriotic that's why I believe in because you free
01:40:38
everything with well I mean you should because You' done great things and look what you're going to do for here from
01:40:44
sou you know South Africa when I was six years old and I'm hanging out in Washington DC with a congressman and how
01:40:48
many jobs have you created the president and the vice president I get to meet all
01:40:51
these people and hang out with them and you've created thousands of jobs and you're going to create billions of extra
01:40:57
calories with these amazing Ohana strawberries ohal is the name I think I think my company might
01:41:04
actually be in your District you cover Santa Cruz County uh no that's Jimmy Panetta I see okay all right well no
01:41:08
favor sorry let me ask you a question um do you think the United States should spend $200 billion to acquire Greenland
01:41:13
from Denmark Denmark has $150 billion um uh debt they could build a public pension plan they could here's
01:41:23
what are we trying to solve F first of all I'm a a person that believes that we need to respect the self-determination
01:41:29
of other countries that's what makes us different than Britain that makes us different than Rome the America you know
01:41:34
might even though we intervene in foreign elections and use military force to overturn foreign governments well
01:41:41
nobody's perfect there you go there you go I gotta get this guy he's got my talk you know if you ever if you ever
01:41:48
need a hype man or a campaign manager let's go when you do your when you do your run for governor yeah exactly by
01:41:54
the way this show has been brought to you not only by row but also Roman go to get Roman row we got to wrap up you got
01:42:00
to go no no hold on I want to hear the Greenland green no but but the question is why
01:42:06
what interest does Greenland have they have critical minerals they have uh a lot of uh important resources and
01:42:14
basically they want to partner economically with us they're letting us invest they're letting us develop it so
01:42:20
what what what what do we gain so you're saying we could achieve our objective without without it becoming a Terr what
01:42:25
about Puerto Ric by way do you really want here's here's my cautionary tale I think this could be the dispositive
01:42:31
argument every time Bernie Sanders ran you know what he talked about the politics of Denmark you only want
01:42:38
Greenland as state we're gonna get to Denmark they call it getting to Denmark GRE is gonna that's gonna that those two
01:42:45
senators are going to be Democratic senators watch the interviews that have come out on Twitter from the people that
01:42:50
live in Greenland they're sick of the Socialist you know kind of overseers I think they do want to have a different
01:42:55
way of governing I don't know I'm gonna have more kids if I get two years of fraternity it sounds pretty amazing yeah
01:43:01
but it is I mean look I I don't think that you're necessarily getting that but there's aboutto Ric it's an important
01:43:05
question is like does um does the United States need territorial Dominion to achieve its strategic objectives I'm
01:43:15
open I'm openminded what about Puerto Rico well I there it too like look every Democrat is like oh we want Porto R why
01:43:21
because you're going to get two Democratic senators in Cong people but my view is it should be a Puerto Rico
01:43:25
self a referendum 8 90% want to do it you'd be down yes if they want to join the United States because that's a
01:43:31
different thing there there we you know we basically took that as a territory now let's see what they want to do I'm
01:43:37
all for it let's go straight to 60 states are you are you running for governor of California no are you why
01:43:42
not you done such a great job you you're a no not you WR I I I I think I I think
01:43:50
there's a I I love being in Congress I love representing Valley and I have been focused on how do we get uh innovation
01:43:57
technology partnering with communities to to have economic rev if you were asked would you consider but didn't I
01:44:03
see a rumor this week that someone said something that you were am I wrong I think someone may have floated a rumor
01:44:08
I'm trying to get out asked by your party and the citizens of California would you consider would you consider it
01:44:13
is that's just a consider I consider anything you know there you go all right he consider your campaign manager my my
01:44:20
I need I mean he's good well I got some he's got his moments I'll give him that that's a wrap from the 47th
01:44:30
inauguration of the United States and we'll see you next time byebye