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Trump's Mandate: An Extinction-Level Event for Federal Bureaucracy

November 18, 2024 / 06:29

This episode discusses evolution, federal spending, and the impact of Trump's administration on government agencies. Guests include Freed and Shabat.

The conversation begins with an explanation of evolution and punctuated equilibrium, comparing it to federal spending and bureaucracy. The host argues that Trump's presidency acts as an extinction event, testing the resilience of government systems.

Freed emphasizes the need for disruption in federal agencies, suggesting that the outcome may lead to a stronger government. Shabat agrees, nodding in response to the metaphor of sending meteors into departments.

The discussion shifts to political figures, with Freed mentioning Bobby Kennedy and Matt Gates as notable candidates who could bring about change. The guests express their support for efficiency and skepticism in government.

Overall, the episode presents a critical view of the current federal bureaucracy and discusses the potential for positive change through disruption.

TLDR

The episode compares Trump's presidency to an extinction event for federal agencies, discussing potential positive outcomes and political candidates.

Episode

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there's this kind of thing that happens in biology called Evolution and a lot of
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people think evolution is this continuous process but it's not evolution is this process by which there
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is some significant growth for a period of time and then there is an Extinction event or an external force that causes
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what ultimately becomes what's called punctuated equilibrium so the whole kind of system resets and then the healthier
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stronger species survive and they grow and they persist and if you look at the first chart Nick
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that I pulled up this will just show you guys past Extinction events large amounts of biomass over the past half
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billion years get wiped out when these Extinction events occur and then Evolution occurs because the species
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that can survive the extinction event persist in the environment and they grow and that's how Evolution kind of
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actually takes place is there's an external force that changes what survives and what doesn't it's kind of a
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testing Force if you look at federal spending and this is a crazy link but here's federal spending over the last
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couple of decades and I would argue that many of the agencies much of the bureaucracy many of
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the jobs created many of the spending programs many of the operating models many of the behaviors can kind of be
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viewed as a specie or species within this ecosystem that have kind of grown a lot over the last few decades and I
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think what Trump's mandate was by the people and people don't want to hear this and they don't like it but his
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mandate was to be kind of the extinction event and whatever agencies whatever operating processes whatever individuals
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whatever bureaucratic systems exist within the federal government that can withstand the scrutiny of the
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individuals that Trump is going to put in charge of each of these agencies that they can survive and they can come out
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the other end there is certainly some degree of strength and resilience and hardiness this is not about right or
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wrong they deserve to exist if they can this is going to bring in this is going to
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bring in the most disruptive force that federal agencies have ever seen and the intention with Trump isn't to find some
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person to keep running things the way they have been run in the past his mandate from the people who elected him
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based on the message he put out there is to do the opposite which is to go in and
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be as disruptive and damaging and destructive as possible and whatever comes out the other side will be
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stronger will be harder and theoretically will'll be you know more resilient and I think that that's the
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event that's underway now the people who are getting exactly what they want in Trump's candidacies are the Democrats
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they were saying Trump is going to put a bunch of crazy lunatics in office and he's going to make them the cabinet and
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they're G and that and now they're able to kind of clap their hands and say we told you so we told you so and I'm not
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sure that if they're really getting the message which is that the intention here
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isn't to keep things running the way they have been running but to really fundamentally test the systems and test
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the systems with the most challenging oppositional forces the systems have ever been tested by which is the
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candidates or the individuals that he's putting in charge of each of these agencies so I I'm not saying it's right
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or wrong one way or the other but I'm making an observation that this is going to be kind of an extinction level event
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that Trump's decisions on who he's putting in place I think are going to drive an outcome on the other end that's
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going to make the government look very different and I you know I'm not going to sit around and say this person's good
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this person's bad because I don't think the point is to find someone that's quote qualified to do the job the
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intention is actually quite different and the outcome may actually be positive for America if you fast forward a couple
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of years in some cases and there's some cases where things could get really messed up and people could suffer and
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jobs will be lost and all sorts of bad things will happen but we cannot continue the way we have been with
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respect to federal spending with respect to federal spending bureaucracy and inefficiency in the federal government
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and so something has to happen and if this is the path by which this gets resolved in The Limited window that's in
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of this this particular Administration which is probably two years maybe four maybe this is what has to happen shabat
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where do you stand on free BG's interesting metaphor here that we're sending meteors into each of these
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departments to blow them up and see if they survive an extinction level event I saw you nodding do you think this is uh
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an interesting framing great take I have nothing to add to Freed Brook State got
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it who's your favorite yeah you asked me the question I answered who's your favorite well I think let's take Elon
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and VI off the table because that's an obvious one that we've all been behind since the beginning yeah and no and we
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all support the idea who's not against more efficiency I mean you'd have to be an idiot to be against efficiency it's
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just the easiest one to say you love I think the highest beta pick so far has been Bobby Kennedy I think the second
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highest beta pick is Matt Gates explain highest beta pick in this context please
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I think the third is tulsey gabber that there is the PO poal for an enous positive two or three sigma
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outcome but there's also the chance that it can really not work that was exactly why I picked Bobby
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Kennedy because he's goingon to shake it up right Peter teal just did this podcast with Bari Weiss and it was
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fantastic by the way highly recommend highly recommend he's awesome the one of the great things he said is
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that he was talking about science but I think the example works here as well which is that we didn't have enough
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skepticism and we had too much Dogma he was talking about sort of like the the death of
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Science and I think that that idea applies here as well which is that the federal bureaucracy has not really been
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challenged and VI put out a very compelling post on X where he basically said like look when you on the
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one hand there's going to be radical transparency but on the other hand there's a lot of case law that we can
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use to kind of try to really dismantle the government apparatus and they're putting themselves on a shot clock to do
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it by 2026 for the 250th anniversary so I think I'm really predisposed to this idea
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that it'll Force the government to be very resilient at the end of this process and I think that's a good thing
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and it'll probably be very different than what it is on the way in and I think that that can be very positive

Episode Highlights

  • Punctuated Equilibrium Explained
    Evolution isn't continuous; it resets after extinction events, leading to stronger species.
    “Evolution is a process by which there is some significant growth for a period.”
    @ 00m 09s
    November 18, 2024
  • Trump as an Extinction Event
    The speaker argues that Trump's presidency is a necessary disruption to federal bureaucracy.
    “Trump's mandate was to be kind of the extinction event.”
    @ 01m 32s
    November 18, 2024
  • Disruption in Federal Agencies
    The intention of Trump's administration is to fundamentally test and disrupt existing systems.
    “This is going to bring in the most disruptive force that federal agencies have ever seen.”
    @ 02m 05s
    November 18, 2024

Episode Quotes

  • Evolution is a process by which there is some significant growth for a period.
    Trump's Mandate: An Extinction-Level Event for Federal Bureaucracy
  • Trump's mandate was to be kind of the extinction event.
    Trump's Mandate: An Extinction-Level Event for Federal Bureaucracy
  • The intention here isn't to keep things running the way they have been.
    Trump's Mandate: An Extinction-Level Event for Federal Bureaucracy
  • This is going to be kind of an extinction level event.
    Trump's Mandate: An Extinction-Level Event for Federal Bureaucracy

Key Moments

  • Evolution Process00:09
  • Extinction Event01:32
  • Disruptive Force02:05
  • Testing Systems02:57
  • Government Resilience06:21

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