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Rick Caruso on California’s Collapse: Broken Leadership, LA Wildfire Failures & the Fix

October 01, 2025 / 22:56

This episode features Rick Caruso discussing his experience with the recent fires in Los Angeles, the challenges of rebuilding, and his potential political future.

Caruso shares insights on the fire response in the Pacific Palisades, emphasizing the importance of having private resources available for firefighting. He recalls how his team was prepared with water and firefighters, contrasting this with the city’s response.

The conversation touches on the bureaucratic red tape hindering rebuilding efforts, with Caruso expressing frustration over city officials working from home instead of assisting in recovery.

Caruso critiques the current leadership in Los Angeles, specifically targeting Mayor Karen Bass and the lack of accountability in local governance. He argues for more active citizen engagement in politics to drive change.

Finally, Caruso discusses his vision for California, advocating for competent leadership and a focus on quality of life improvements, including addressing homelessness and public safety.

TLDR

Rick Caruso discusses LA fire response, rebuilding challenges, and his political aspirations for mayor or governor.

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For people don't know who Rick Caruso is, he's a great developer. You walk into one of Caruso's places and it's
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safe, it's clean, you want to bring your kids. Ideology did not save the palisades.
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Competency would have running this city is running a business for the benefit of
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the residents. You've got to make good business decisions. It was predictable, Bill. What's predictable is preventable.
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Rick Caruso now has a golden road in the governor's race if he wants it. What's happened to LA over the last decade is
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just tragic. It's sad to watch. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Rick Caruso.
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[Music] Great to see you, brother. Thank you for coming. Thank you very much. All right.
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Make my rounds. Thank you. Good to see you. Good seeing you. Hello everybody. All right, Rick. Um, we're nine months
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out from the tragic fires. So much has happened. So much has happened. Karen Bass,
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so incompetent. Such a disgracad my my Italian brethren in here. But when you when you look at it in all
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seriousness, you know, you had some properties there and you've always been an innovator. Everybody knows the Grove.
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I spent so much time there with my beautiful daughter Lotus and and my my beautiful wife, um, Jade. Just
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what a gift you've given so many times over to this amazing city. And then you watched this horrible incompetence. And
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yet you innovated and you had these incred this incredible insight that when the fires were coming, you would get
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water in trucks and bring it to the Pacific Palisades. And then you found this unique group of innovators called
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firefighters and you also brought some of them. What did you see in this incredible moment of clarity that when
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the fires were coming that Karen Bass didn't see? Well, the first thing I did is I stayed
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in town. Um, which I I I think you didn't abandon the city. I think when you want to be a leader,
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you should probably be present. But, uh, good start. That's a good rule. Listen, we learned a
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lot when we were building our resort up in Monaceto in Myiramar. Uh we had fires
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there that were threatening the construction site. We were just under construction. And I had a very smart guy
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still do on the team name is Banyan. And he's the one that said, "We can bring in
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private firefighters. We can bring in our own water trucks. We can bring in retardant." And listen, here's another
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rule that's really important when you're in the commercial side of the business.
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You want the firefighters that are working for the city or the county first and foremost to protect the homes. And
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we know that they should be doing that. So, we want to have resources to protect
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our buildings so the resources aren't taken away from the residential areas. That's just I think being a good
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citizen. So, fast forward to Palisades. We know we're in a fire zone. We built it with
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all non-combustible materials. We designed it so there was no open vents that an ember can get into. About 90% of
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the homes in the Palisades and Aladena burned from the inside out. So, these wind warnings came, and I'm
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sure you all saw them to the point that I didn't even believe that they could be
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true. catastrophic life-threatening winds and our team rallied. We had our firefighters,
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our water, our retardant station there two days before the fire and we were ready to go. And I'm really proud of my
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team because they not only saved the village, but we saved the whole block uh of properties. And we were actually on
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the 7th loaning equipment to LA Fire Department who was running short of equipment. And we were actually loaning
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water cuz we were bringing in our water tanks when the water hydrants failed to work.
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Rick, it's been 8 months, I guess, since these fires. Um, how much of it is being
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rebuilt now? Not enough. I was out there last night. Um, it's slower than it should be.
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And what is slowing it down? slowing it down is an enormous amount of red tape. I mean, the previous speaker
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is talking about red tape in the state of California. We have red tape in the city of Los Angeles and the county.
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That's ridiculous. But let me just give you an example. Since co we have still not, we being the city has
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still not called back workers to city hall. So plan checkers in LA city are working from home. You just lost 7,000
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homes. You would think the first thing the mayor would do is say, "You 10 plan checkers are now out in the palisades in
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a construction trailer where the people need you." They're still working out of a home.
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Why did the people Why? I want to know why. Yeah. Why? That makes me angry. You'll have to call 1800.
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What's What's your I've I've tried to call that number a number of times. What is What is your sense of the incentives
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there? What is driving that? Is it a union thing? Is it uh you're going to get unelected because this voting block
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wants to work from home? What is the incentive for that? Incompetence makes no sense.
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Okay, I think this is what it is. I I think there's a level of incompetence that's combined with literally a
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stagnation and there's no urgency to do anything. So there's no decision-m and all of us have been in situations in
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business or whatnot where you meet somebody that is just not well equipped. And so what happens when you're not well
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equipped to make decisions and either easy situations or complex situations, you sort of freeze up.
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So the kids run the class. Yeah. I'll throw out a theory and get your reaction to it, which is California
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is a one party state and Karen Bass doesn't really need to serve the people because historically we haven't really
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had competitive elections. What's important is that she satisfies this political machine that keeps her in
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office. She wasn't a particularly distinguished candidate or anything like that. She' just been around the block
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for a long time. And frankly, we had the best candidate to ever challenge Karen Bass, which was
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you, a successful businessman. Unbelievable. And and the proof of that is that I love this crowd, by the way.
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This crowd is intelligent. Yeah. Yes, they are. Yeah. And and the proof of that was was
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in the fires because I think it's pretty obvious that the Palisades wouldn't have
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burned to the ground if you had been the mayor because you would have made sure that there was water in the fire
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hydrants. David, what's amazing to me is, and we're waiting for this action a uh
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afteraction report, which is incredible. We don't even have it yet, but I am I was convinced nine months ago. I'm more
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convinced today that fire was completely preventable. And if you think I'm wrong
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and it wasn't completely preventable, the damage could have been significantly mitigated.
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The fire department was never pre-eployed. Where the fire started is the same exact place that there was a
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fire 7 days before. I think what we're going to see is the fire department did not put that original fire out. It
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smoldered and reignited. When it reignited, the winds were not here yet. The smoke was going straight
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up. We had the largest reservoir not filled with water. I mean, I got the call at night. The
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family was together. Your daughter's home is burning down and the firefighters, their hoses have stopped.
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There is no more water in the fire hydrants. And I said, "How can that be? We're the second largest city in the
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country. Impossible." But listen, I think all of it is fixable. So, I'm an optimist and with the right kind of
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leadership and I'm not saying it's me. I'm just saying in general in this state, in this city, and this country,
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with the right kind of leadership that is competent, eager, and willing to make decisions
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because they want to do what's best for the people they serve and not worrying about getting reelected,
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great things can happen. And that's my hope for the Why is this happening around the nation?
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When you look at Portland, Seattle, Chicago, New York, these cities around this country, we're seeing similar kind
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of systems of decay and degradation. But is it No, but what did you say? No, he said they're blue.
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But I I I want to like is that is that really what's going on or is there a social thing that's going on or a
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societal thing that's going on that's causing people to say let's let these cities kind of decay? Let's stop doing
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our jobs. let's keep kind of ballooning the the budgets but not delivering any results. What is it that's going on?
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I have a little bit different take. I have a different take that I think there's been a a sense of apathy. I
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think people have not gotten engaged. Not enough people vote and get involved and we don't hold our elected officials
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accountable. Uh people now that run for office believe they have an office for life. And I think that's very dangerous.
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That was never the intent of our founding fathers. It was to serve and then go back to your private life.
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That's right. And and now what we have is people just they cycle through it. And what we need
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to do is get more people active. I don't care what your political persuasion is.
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Get out and vote. And but what we have seen particularly are extremes that are very motivated to vote and they're
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moving these uh elected officials that are ideologues into positions. And this ideology, which may be well intended,
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has not had good results. Have the people of Los Angeles seen enough, do you think, to have the common
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sense to put competent leadership in? I hope so. Have they seen enough? We're going to find out in about a year.
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What do the politicians mean when I mean, I think I've heard Karen Bass say this. I think I've heard uh Gavin
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Newsome say this that they see that what happened in the Palisades as an opportunity to reimagine. What are
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they imagining there? Uh, and how is that different than just letting people rebuild their homes?
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I I I can't I can't see. I mean, I think they're talking about turning large parts of the Palisades
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into low-income housing or something like that. Is there I mean, should people be worried about this?
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I don't think so. I I think there's probably fringe people who would like to see zoning changes. I don't believe that
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there should be zoning changes on the backs of people who have lost their homes and their businesses. If you want
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to do that, you want to have that discussion, do it in an orderly fashion, but do everything you can to get people
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back into their communities, back into their homes. And I, this city and government has got to have this culture
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that we've got your back. We're here for you. And we don't have that. And you're not going to get people to
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reinvest in their own homes, and their own community unless they think the city's going to be there with them. How
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uh how much of the ineptitude of Los Angeles is derived from the ineptitude of the state of California?
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Well, I think it's part and parcel, you know, to be honest. But I also believe that
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so is Gavin Newsome helpful. Has he done stuff to help? Like when you when all the people in LA who are still, you
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know, dispossessed and out of a home called him, is he able to apply pressure to the city of California or is it just
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city of LA rather? Or is it just chaos? I don't think it's chaos. I think actually Gavin has done some good
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things. Waving SQA, waving the Coastal Commission. Those are really smart things that he's done. I'd like to see
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him do more. Well, what would you want him to do? What he could do is he could demand
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changes very quickly. Um, and if not, he could exert independent California authority to make
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changes. Th the these communities, Altadena and Malibu and Palisades, they need completely new infrastructure. They
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need all the power lines underground. They need new water systems. All of that has to be done. He's got the power to
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really make that happen. And frankly, we've got to figure out a way to get the federal government to help financially.
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And I think name calling uh probably is not a good way to build a relationship to get billions of dollars into the
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state of California. So, I'd like to see that stop. Where can you be more effective as mayor or governor of
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California? I think they're very different. Um, but I think either one of them. I really do.
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I think I think either one. But I think they have different They obviously have different authorities and
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different powers, but I think either one can be very effective. You You'd be great. You'd be great in
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either one. And um, it'd be it'd be great. You really would be great in either one.
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Thank you. It'd be great. It'd be great to get a to get an outsider, someone, you know, in into politics. The thing I
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I I worry about is in California, you've got ballot harvesting is legal and checking someone's voter ID is illegal.
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And I just wonder if the combination of those two things makes it impossible for
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someone outside the political machine to get elected. What do What do you think?
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Well, you know, it may, David, but I may I may give that a try. So, we'll see. We'll see if it works. Let me go the way
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it wanted to last time. Let me hold on. I got I got to follow up on this one. You're I know the people
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who have been having some of these conversations with you. There's one camp that's pushing you to governor and the
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other camp is pushing you to mayor. How do you make that decision? When are you going to make that decision? We've got 8
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minutes and 53 seconds left here. Can we get it done now? Can I get it done in 8 minutes?
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All right, let's start. Mayor, clap. Governor. Who wants him to go for mayor? And now governor. Governor.
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Wow. Whoa. Wow. You I just want to let you know right now, you have the full support of the
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all-in platform for whichever one you choose. The level of confidence you and I have
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developed a bit of a friendship. We talk on text and I every time I go to one of
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your facilities and we talk about the detail the detail that you have at the Grove Pacific Palisades this incredible
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Monteito property that I got to stay at recently. That attention to detail is what for free nights.
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This is not what he want. This is not the attention to I want you to talk about where did that
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where did this attention to detail the understanding of customers and consumers in your private sector life
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where did it come from? I love what I do. And if if you go to the root of what we do as a company and
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you ask anybody in the company, what is your business? Everybody in our company is going to say to bring joy and enrich
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people's lives. It sounds corny, but if you do that, it gives you a platform in business that gives you permission to do
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things that your competitors are not allowing themselves to do. It gives you permission to build a place called the
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Grove, which you and I talk about, and you get to run a trolley through the middle of it.
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Is it really that simple? Like, you're building a business and you're like, I'm just going to enrich the lives of my
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customers and make them happy. And your competitors literally don't do that. Are
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they My competitor is building an indoor mall with no trees or light and an escalator.
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And so, you're just shaking your head like, how is this how is this even possible?
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Well, don't you want to be in a place that feels good, makes you happy? You see trees, you have water, you have
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flowers, there's nice music. Nobody's feels like the perfect platform or or a stadium. So, that's where that
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platform gives you this incredible power and authority to go do things. I mean, you look at the Rosewood Miramar, our
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resort. We have a full train running through it. Everybody stayed away from that property. And when I announced
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we're going to build a five-star hotel, everybody said, "You're crazy. You got a
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train running through it." We made the train an amenity, right? We built a bar next to it with a bell
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that gets rung when the train comes by and people celebrate it. Yeah. So, that's enriching lives. I I just
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love watching people enjoy their life and that's what fuels my public service and it's what I really
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enjoyed when I worked for three mayors when I worked for Tom Bradley and Dick Re and and Jim Han. You can actually
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make changes in public service that makes people's lives better. How great is that?
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That's great. People don't know this widely uh but tomorrow is the 175th anniversary of the state of California
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and Governor Nuomo uh it's a great state and um it's an amazing place. Governor Nuome is giving his state of
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the state tomorrow morning. If you were in that seat, what would you say at the state of the state tomorrow? What's your
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read on the state of the state of California? I think the state of California should
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lead the nation in everything that we do. I think the state of California should have the best housing. It should
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have the best school system, the lowest crime rate. We should not have homeless living on the streets. We should have
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opportunities for people to grow a business, raise their family, feel good about life, be enriched, and we should
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be in the top of every category that you want to measure quality of life. If if you say we're the fourth largest economy
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in the world, which our elected officials say very often, then act like it. And the people of California should
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be benefiting from being the fourth largest economy in the world. How would you deal with homeless? You
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got these encampments. We're driving around here downtown LA. It had such a renaissance for a short
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period of time. It feels like it's devolved again. It has. And it just seems to me that
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there just should be zero tolerance for camping on the street. Yet here we are again with encampments everywhere. What
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would be your approach? Well, my approach was simple when I ran is you can't allow encampments on the
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street, but you've got to give people who are on the streets an opportunity to have a productive life. So give them the
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services they need, build the housing that they need. We are spending in the city of Los Angeles
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$900,000 per person that they're removing from the streets. $900,000 per year or
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Yeah. Oh my god. There's billions and billions of dollars wasted. redirect that to organizations
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that have incredible track records of being successful in Los Angeles of housing people, giving them the services
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for mental health and drug addiction. And the first thing you do is you do not allow the sale of drugs on the street
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right now. We do I mean this that's a crime. It's illegal. Don't allow it. It is a crime.
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Yeah. I I mean if you look at fentinol, it is just a different category of drug. We've
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seen the president who you don't agree with everything on, but he's taking a pretty hardline stance to the point at
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which he's activating the military. Pretty controversial. What's your take on that?
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I think we should actually have secure borders and shut down the drugs 100%. Absolutely.
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So, in full agreement with the president? Yeah. I I don't know how you can say I
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want to have a livable society, a quality of life, allow people to build a business, raise a family, and then at
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the same time, you allow drug dealing to go on the streets. You just can't do it.
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We have an area out here called the Seulva Basin. I got a call from a resident yesterday, and this poor
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resident that lives out in Enino was talking about the amount of encampments in Seulva Basin. And what they have done
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now, the homeless, he's telling me, is they've made these booby traps and connected homemade bombs to them.
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Oh my god. So when the police of the fire department try to go in there, this one
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firefighter was severely injured, lost an ear because it hit a trip wire and he had called the mayor. The mayor
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said, "Well, it's very complicated to try to figure out how to get in there to clean it up." It's not complicated. You
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go in there and clean it up. Period. Full stop. Period. full stop. We just got to do
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that. So, one of the complications here is the Democrats don't seem to want to clean up
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these cities. The president has checkmated them by saying, "If you don't clean it up, I'll clean it up." Seems
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like a midterm driven approach. What's your take on the National Guard being sent into these cities? Because if Karen
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Bass won't clean it up, if JB Pritsker won't clean it up, is there an argument for the president to send the National
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Guard, it seems like overreach in one way, but we're sitting here talking about absolute incompetence and a
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refusal to deal with this issue. The people who are affected by it are like, "Yeah, send the National Guard in if
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that's what it takes." What's your take? Well, my take on it is sending in the National Guard in Washington DC is a
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very different situation than sending the National Guard into LA or Chicago because Washington DC is a federal
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territory. So, that's different. What I think should be done is we should hold our elected officials accountable to
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have a police department that's fully engaged and given the authority to enforce the laws. And we're not doing
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that. You're not backing They're not backing up the cops. They are not backing up the cops. The
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cops are not allowed to clean up the streets. The cops are not allowed to hold people accountable for selling drug
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on the streets. There's a whole bunch of protocols in the city of Los Angeles that do not allow the cops to do their
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job. The any kind of federal interference, I think, should be the very very last resort. So, I don't
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support that. I don't support it. But I do support a fully engaged leadership system that require that the laws be
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enforced and give police the opportunity and not only that demand that they enforce the law.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the next governor and mayor of California, Los Angeles, Rick Russo.
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Thank you. That was fantastic. Great. Thank you very much. That was great. My gosh. Appreciate you, brother.

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Episode Highlights

  • Rick Caruso's Vision for Leadership
    Caruso believes that competent leadership can prevent disasters like the recent fires.
    “What's predictable is preventable.”
    @ 00m 21s
    October 01, 2025
  • The Importance of Presence in Leadership
    Caruso stresses that leaders should be present to effectively manage crises.
    “I think when you want to be a leader, you should probably be present.”
    @ 02m 18s
    October 01, 2025
  • California's Potential
    Caruso envisions California leading the nation in quality of life and governance.
    “I think the state of California should lead the nation in everything that we do.”
    @ 17m 27s
    October 01, 2025
  • Seulva Basin Crisis
    Residents report dangerous booby traps set by the homeless in Seulva Basin.
    “Oh my god.”
    @ 20m 27s
    October 01, 2025
  • National Guard Debate
    Discussion on whether the National Guard should be sent to clean up cities.
    “Yeah, send the National Guard in if that's what it takes.”
    @ 21m 28s
    October 01, 2025
  • Call for Accountability
    The need for elected officials to support law enforcement is emphasized.
    “They are not backing up the cops.”
    @ 22m 02s
    October 01, 2025

Episode Quotes

  • I think when you want to be a leader, you should probably be present.
    Rick Caruso on California’s Collapse: Broken Leadership, LA Wildfire Failures & the Fix
  • Incompetence makes no sense.
    Rick Caruso on California’s Collapse: Broken Leadership, LA Wildfire Failures & the Fix
  • I think the state of California should lead the nation in everything that we do.
    Rick Caruso on California’s Collapse: Broken Leadership, LA Wildfire Failures & the Fix
  • Oh my god.
    Rick Caruso on California’s Collapse: Broken Leadership, LA Wildfire Failures & the Fix
  • You just can't do it.
    Rick Caruso on California’s Collapse: Broken Leadership, LA Wildfire Failures & the Fix
  • Period. Full stop.
    Rick Caruso on California’s Collapse: Broken Leadership, LA Wildfire Failures & the Fix

Key Moments

  • Incompetence05:39
  • Homelessness Solutions18:33
  • Seulva Basin Encampments20:12
  • Booby Traps20:21
  • Mayor's Complication20:38
  • National Guard Discussion21:09
  • Police Accountability21:51
  • Governor Announcement22:41

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