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[Music] Where's Antonio Gracias? Bring him up. How bad is it? How messed up is our
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government? So, if Twitter was like the JV league, this is like the NBA. It's the most complex thing I've ever seen.
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How is he able to find big balls? Where do they show up? Do they just apply out of the blue? I mean, where do these guys
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come from? You found some people who were illegal immigrants who registered to vote. Yes, this is actually true.
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Every vote that is cast illegal in America nullifies the vote of an American citizen. So, Antonio, we we
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know you're very busy because you decided, like a couple of our other friends, to take a second job working in
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our government for a 100 or so days. Yeah. Give him a round of applause for that.
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Um, you know, Trump is a unique individual in all the world. There's maybe polarizing in some ways, but one
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thing that's not polarizing is Doge. I think everybody wants to see waste, fraud, and abuse and controlled spending
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in government. Maybe there's some questions about how fast it's going, but we all know you and Elon like to go, you
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know, at a brisk pace. You laid back and you joined a little later in the process, like a
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stat. You joined maybe what, 15, 20 days ago. Uh, I've been there for eight weeks. Eight weeks. Okay. So like yeah
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60 60 days and you went public with it maybe a couple weeks ago. Yeah. I wasn't with law Maryland for the first four
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weeks so you didn't know I was there. Yes. So um so how bad is it? How how messed up is our government? How insane
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are the processes? You're a process guy. You know we both worked on the the Twitter uh acquisition and the and the
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transfer there and did all the zerobased budgeting. I mean, maybe compare and contrast it to that which was maybe one
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of the most horrific corporate entities I've ever seen in my life and how that was being run. It was tough. Um, well,
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let me start with thank you guys. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. It's great to be down here to see
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everybody. Um, and let me also say that it's an honor to serve America. Like whatever I am doing, I am grateful to be
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able to do it. I'm grateful my partners for allowing me to do it and my clients for supporting it. And it is it truly is
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an honor to be there. There's many great people in the government trying to help.
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So, let me start with that. Yeah, please. Yeah. It is a sacrifice, right? You're you're
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taking time out of your day job. It's definitely a sacrifice, but it it it really I feel very grateful that I have
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the capacity and 30 years of training in lead operations that I can be useful. You know, that feels very feels I feel
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with gratitude. Yeah. How bad is it? Uh so if Twitter was like the the JV league, this is like the NBA. Um it's
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the most complex thing I've ever seen. I have in uh our office in DC, I have a I've mapped now as an example the entire
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system of like basically from the border to the benefits programs. It's about a 40ft board and it looks like a bos. It's
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I mean it's an incredible uh like spaghetti gram of stuff and yeah, I've never seen anything so complex in my
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life. So the answer to your question is it's worse than I thought. much much worse than what we saw at Twitter now X
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and America Americans and all of you we deserve better. Okay. If we were to and I'm sure Chimath has some
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questions in Freeberry, but if we were to look at $1 spent by our government, waste, fraud, abuse, how many pennies of
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the dollar is it? If you had to just based on what you've seen so far, arrange here's sad. If you go into any
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company, any company you guys has ever seen that is not like super wellrun, it probably is like easy cut 15%. Easy,
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easy, easy. Um, this is where the 15 this is where the the trillion dollar number came
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from. 15% of of $7 billion. I think if we had the political will, you'd easily get that 15% no problem. um not without
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any problem at all and without cutting the core uh entitlement programs. So it's definitely there. The question is
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do people want to do it or not? And remember every dollar we take we are taking from an NGO or a beltway
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consultant. You know it's it's actually that people are screaming about this because we're taking money from them. Um
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and it it is whatever you read in the news media I got to tell you it isn't true. I mean um the cuts I think it's
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88% of of the people that have left the government have taken packages. The packages are very lucrative. uh there
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sort of you know 9 months or so of severance. Um and they're they're voluntary. So yeah, I tell you and I
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also say the people that work in government who are good, there's lots of good people in the government that I
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have met and have pointed this at all this stuff. They deserve better. Okay, imagine trying to be a civil servant.
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You want to do the right thing. You're working there because you care about America and you're in this like massive
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bureaucratic morass with all this stuff on top of you. And man, I've seen like I've seen OIG reports where they the
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people have reported to OIG like sex trafficking and they turn it in and nothing happens. Like literally nothing
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happens. Okay. So that's very frustrating and they stick it out. They keep going and they keep working hard
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for America. So I I think it's it's not just about the cost cuts, it's about the
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culture like the culture change of allowing allowing good people who are in the government to understand that
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someone's listening that with when they want to make improvement change or when they find fraud, waste and abuse, they
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can do it and there's an avenue now to do it. Uh I think that's actually going to be one of the most important lasting
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thing we leave is this idea that your voice matters in the government that there are good people in the government
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and when they want to do the right thing there's a way to do it and you got people coming back to work in the
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office. Oh, I have to tell you. So, um, you know, we have been pillaried often in the press for security where I
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started. And, um, here are the facts. When I got there, just like at Twitter, the parking lot was empty. And I'm
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talking about stadiumsiz parking, okay? Empty. Uh, the office was empty. There was no one in the corporate office, the
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headquarters office in Woodland, Maryland. Um, and then I we because we follow our process of mapping from like
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end to end the system. We went to visit a couple offices. I went to one myself. The one that I went to, there were about
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20 people in the waiting room. There were seven people in the windows. Of the seven people, three had their shades
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half down. Those people were taking phone calls because during CO, they turned everyone into phone operators.
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And we learned is they were still running on CO operations. So we have now um through our efforts and efforts of
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the inter administrator brought everyone back to the office and back to the offices in the field. We haven't closed
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one field office, not one since we've been there. Everything you're reading about service levels is not true. Um,
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what I saw, imagine how frustrating that is if you're you're waiting in the waiting room, you see seven windows out
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of 25 open and three other people are taking phone calls and you're waiting. I mean, talk about customer service. So,
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look, like in in all the companies that we all run, we always talk about using incentives to shape the outcome you
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want. And I think you keep insisting, which I think is right, that civil servants by and large want the right
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things to happen. That's why they chose to go and work for the government. So what is the incentive we need to change?
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Is it a compensation incentive? Is it like what like what is it? Look, I think the people that work in the government,
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it's a normal distribution of everything, right? It's two and a half million people in the government plus
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contractors. And you know, some people are great, some people aren't great and every a lot of people in the middle and
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the people in the middle react to the incentives as you as you point out. I think the most important thing here is
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transparency of the metrics because they these folks aren't there for the money.
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Many of them are very good because we're make money somewhere else. The incentives we should create are uh
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transparency and some basic metrics. They know how they're doing. You know, we we were as example at social
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security. We were criticized for the website uptime. Well, turns out web set up time has been better since we got
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there than after. Imagine we have engineers and we've now uh published the metrics in the website publicly so
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people would see it. So the engineering team now managed the website can see um you know that they're doing a good job
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or not doing a good job and the public can see they're doing a good job or not doing a good job. I I don't think
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financial incentives are always useful but this is not just about money like for example if you if you look at
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Singapore the Singaporean approach from Lee Kuanu was let's create a a government that is
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extremely uh empowered but let's also make it quite small let's make them well compensated and let's try to find sort
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of an elite cadri of folks is that approach possible in the United States or should we even think that we should
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try something like that? I mean, look, Singapore is a unique ex a unique experiment in the world. It's
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also a place where you uh you know, you might wind up getting caneed if you drop
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chewing gum on the on the ground. Okay. So, um in America where we have a different a different level of um I
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would say of u freedom and rights. You know, we should strive for a civil service that is professional, well
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compensated and missionoriented. And that mission orientation is serving the United States. And I think that gets
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back to look there are very good people. They want to do the right thing. Serve their country. That's why they're there.
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And it's uh I wouldn't make it I wouldn't make it about the money. I would make it about the mission. And and
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we'll get them we get there are very good people that they're on mission. I met them. They are the ones pointing all
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this stuff out to us. Right. Yeah. Can you talk about um you guys went on Fox the other day
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with the Doge team? Big Balls and Big Balls was there. We were talking about this backstage.
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All of those guys were like 12 years old. What is it about the role, the opportunity, the way it was presented
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that attracted this group of what were incredibly wellspoken, highly intelligent, clearly extraordinarily
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motivated individuals. It's the sort of caliber of talent that all of us aspire to hire and f first of all find hire and
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then they're on the mission. Is it Elon's inspiration and the reach he has that made this happen? Is this a
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particular moment in American history? Because I was looking at that table and I was thinking about like the founding
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fathers and the age of the founding fathers when they wrote the Declaration of Independence. They were all super
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young and I was like, man, this is an opportunity to kind of rewrite how government operates in America today.
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But I was just struck by the age and the talent and how that came together and kind of where do they show up? Do they
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just apply out of the blue and you guys you guys have recruiters out there? I mean, where does where do these guys
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come from? So, uh, we do have we do have a recruiting team actually. Um, they're
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great. U Baris and Emily do the recruiting. And I'll tell you, I just want to stop for a second and say this.
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Th this is extraordinary. These people are extraordinary. All of them. The young people you saw at the table are
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extraordinary. Um, they're amazing engineers. I mean, they're like any one of us would be they're 10x engineers. we
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would all be thrilled to have in our companies. Elon obviously is an extraordinary leader. So they come they
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come for for for him. But I think they're really motivated by the mission. They're motivated by the idea that this
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is a moment where they can actually make an extraordinary difference to the country and that is a flywheel that
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brings more people, right? So they bring their friends and it's, you know, you recruit other people in um and there's
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there are extraordinary extraordinary people there, man. So you saw the people at the table in that particular
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interview. I didn't say a word. I literally it wasn't the company. I actually was you and the other guy.
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Yeah. I didn't say anything. The reason I didn't say anything was because I didn't need to. Yeah. These guys are
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extraordinary. Um and like you know, one of the men there spoke about this. Ethan, he is in he's in my son's class
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at Harvard. He dropped out of Harvard with two classes left, right, to come do this. Um you know, Big Ball is an
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example. He's great. Ron, the guy with I mean I I work with an engineer named Rahm was great. U you and then and I got
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to tell you there's a whole another strat of people that you didn't see there who are kind of in their 30s. Um,
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I think my my buddy Josh is working on uh on the college stuff and a few other things. These guys are I mean this guy
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was a senior executive rising star at KKR left his job to come do this. Okay. And there's innumerable number of people
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like this. It's an extraordinary group. I feel honored to be part of it. I feel honored to work with them. It really is
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Can I tell you an answer to this? Yeah. But I just want like do you think that this cuz these guys aren't going to work
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in the government forever. They're coming in, they're building something, they're activating, and they're moving
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on back to their private life like the founding fathers did at the start of the American government. Is that a better
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model for how government should operate rather than have career employees, career politicians, but treat it more
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like civil service where everyone has some role that they should play at some point like they do in Israel where you
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have to, you know, go go to the army for a few years and you everyone is required. Same in Singapore actually.
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Yeah. um where everyone kind of has to go spend their time in the government, contribute, participate, but it doesn't
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become a mechanism where there's an incentive to grow it and get more money flowing through it because that's how I
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individually as a politician or employee long-term would benefit from the government. Yeah, I think it's a great
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point. It's a great point on Singapore. Actually, I should have brought that up when Jamath has a question. I think that
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we're proving there's there's two uh types of people in government today. There's careers, they call them, and
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politicals, right? I think there should be a third type, which is what you're talking about. people that are doing
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public service for a short duration, shorter duration, whether it's me 130 as as a SGE or, you know, it's a couple of
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years as an engineer or something. I think a culture of this in America would be great for America and great not just
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for what it does to the government, but how it binds us as a people, right? Serving your country, going there,
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seeing how hard it is, seeing the the way it works, understanding that like really from the inside what's going on.
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Listen, I had no idea. It's like what part of the government did you work in for your two-year service or your 18
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months, right? This would be this would be a a great thing for America and a great thing for
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our society because um that culture of public service I think would bring us closer together. You were going to say
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something about the I had um I mean without saying too much but you can guess. So all of us have known
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Elon for a really long time. I also worked for another person that's of that same stature for a long time and he's
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much shorter. Much shorter. Um, and one of I say that a very good friend of his came to see me recently for lunch
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and he asked me this exact same question about Elon. He said like it was kind of like as just like
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the like that's the question that they were grappling with. How is he able to find big balls and so many big balls? I
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actually can tell you um I've seen him find big balls. Yeah, it's um it's a it's a serious strategy though. what I
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he does is he responds to emails or tweets Twitter people will say like I have a solution to this um we should do
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that and then I've been CCed on messages where he sends them to the right person
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and he has people to vet them and see if this idea actually works and I think he's like very opportunistic and doesn't
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prejudge where you went to school and what your credentials is are. It's almost the opposite. The less
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credentials you are he has a predisposition to think you're more right. Have you solved a problem? By the
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way, this is a this is a Peter Teal. But but my my answer to this was there's there's a lot of people that can be
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responsive in email. I think there's a handful of people that are real northern stars for technical talent, but he's the
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only one that when you walk in the room, he says, "Here's this mission." And it is so generally otherworldly. Nobody
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else can really say that. It is a flywheel, as you said, that is extremely unique. The fact that you can direct
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that entropy to the United States government I think is a blessing. Now the question is how do we follow up and
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make it attractive because to your point I saw those kids on that interview and any of my five kids if they had done
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what they did I would have been so proud. I was so impressed with these kids. Very impressive. And and you're
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like you're proud to be an American watching these kids. You saw Elon's face nodding while they were speaking with a
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a grin ear to ear. He was proud. proud. He is proud. I think it's important for maybe people to sit back
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and say this has all been done in a 100 days from a cold start. It's not like he
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brought in people or you brought in people who were like I know the lay of the land here. It was like we're going
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to figure this out from first principles do zerobased budgeting whatever it is look at the data and see where it leads
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us. And I think one of the disturbing things about the data and most controversial issues in America today is
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the border. Yeah. And why did Biden let so many people through the border? It was kind of a question if it was even
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happening. Should we trust these border encounter numbers? It doesn't seem real.
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And and there's a lack of trust in the government. One side is saying, "Hey, we let all these people in. There's 15 20
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million extra people here in order to vote Democratic. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me since the Republicans have
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become the working party." But putting all that aside, you started looking at this and we had a discussion privately
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about, hey, are these people signing up to vote? Cuz that would be an indicator that this, you know, theory that people
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were streaming across the border in order to vote. Um, you found some people who were illegal immigrants who
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registered to vote. This is confounding. It Yes, this is actually true. So um we
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have we've sampled a handful of states uh and in those handful of states we found um people registered to vote and
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we have found people who actually voted and this is all being done by sampling. Okay. So we are sampling uh DHS data and
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then have to go to the voter roles check the voter roles and then check the give
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that to HSI homeless investigations who goes and checks the voter record by subpoena and the and the voter and the
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cards you sign when you vote. We had uh already three um arrests here in Florida
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actually and one in one indictment uh in Is that publicly known? Yes, it's it's we we posted it. The DOJ the media has
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not covered like I haven't seen much about that. So you're saying these are these are three individuals who
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illegally secured or no legally secured a social security. They legally secured social security numbers um through the
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through the process we talked about last time asylum or some special program or whatever and they were given um you know
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they gave an associate number by by filing a 765 and getting authorization and they registered to vote and they
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actually voted in 2020 andor 2024. Three have been arrested. I just want to say this carefully. Three have been arrested
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and one has been indicted. The one we indicted, I want to just stop on this guy for a minute. He's he's an Iraqi
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national. Uh he voted in 2020 in New York. He um went to prison for shooting somebody. Shot some guy's hand off. Has
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charged, if I remember correctly, 160 60 or $70,000 of benefits through Medicaid.
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And has we think is now in Iraq because he's active on his Facebook page and the
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IP address is from Iraq. And credit to our friends at HSI, our partners HSI, and to DOJ for tracking this down. I got
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to tell you guys, it's difficult, laborious work. It really is. Um, but think about that a minute. Is that the
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tip of the iceberg, Antonio, do you think? Or did you guys do a lot of mining and a lot of digging to come up
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with those four? How big of a magnitude of an problem do you think this is? What
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What's your What's your intuition tell you honestly right now about whether there's massive voter fraud or not?
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Great question and I want to be careful I answer it. Um, I'm going to leave the data. So, I'm not leaving the data and
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I'm entering the area of my opinion, which is what you're asking me. My opinion is and actually let me step back
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and tell you what we did a second and then take my opinion. We are sampling by hand. Um so when you say data mining,
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we're not mining. We're actually like pick and shovel going into like by hand. This is not mechanized. There's no AI
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being applied. There's we're using SQL queries. Okay. You're literally pulling one literally snapping a name out of the
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work authorization database DHS checking that against the voter role and have to
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go run it down to the state. Super laborious. Okay. So, um, with that in mind, my opinion is that this is the tip
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of the iceberg. How big the iceberg is, I don't know, and I don't want to speculate cuz I think it it would be,
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um, not that I think we can do at this moment. I think we'll have more data over time, but for sure, if we can
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sample out of a database, uh, and it takes an engineer about a day to find 20-ish cases. So, what DOJ asks for was
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20 10 to 20 cases per state. It just give you a sense of of of what's happening. It takes an engineer about a
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day to find 10 to 20 cases per state in sampling. That gives you an idea of how you know how many there are, right? Um
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that's that's going on. Are you shocked that people don't care about this more? I'm I'm shock I think people really do
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care. Should we be should we care more? Yeah. Yes. Well, yes. I want to separate
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the questions. Uh I think people care more. My guess is everyone here cares a lot. Okay. A lot about this. I think for
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some reason the news media doesn't care more now. Should you care? Yes. You know, there's this idea like it's there
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always a little bit of fraud. It's pervasive. We should just it's not a big deal. Wrong. Here's the reality. Every
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vote that is cast illegally in America nullifies the vote of an American citizen. It is your constitutional right
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to vote in America. And if we don't have a zero defect system, we are violating your constitutional rights. And I will
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tell you, you deserve, the American public deserves that we strive for a zero defect system, right? We make
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medical devices in America with a zero defect system. Yeah. We shouldn't make votes with zero system. If we don't
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strive for a zero defect system, we will get a lot more fraud. This is why the real idea is so important. We should
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strive for this. And it doesn't matter if it's one vote. It's easily solved with the last 15 states that don't
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require voter ID to simply do that. And that would pretty much end this debate, I think. I mean I well I want to tell
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you uh there are states that do require ID. I think real ID will solve it because real one of the things our
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engineers are building and it it was already there but they're making it they're cleaning up making it work
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properly is a thing called save. There's a database called save that is uh available to the states um in the bot
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administration. They raised the price I think about a dollar an API call to $3 and change the API call and all the
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states stopped you stopped using it. Save is a database that has um the actual citizenship data for the entire
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country. Okay. We we're cleaning up now and making the the actual UI much better. If the states have Real ID and
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they use save, you would solve this problem. And I I I I cannot understand why a state would not do this. Whose
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decision would it be to just change the cost of that API? So great question, Chimath. We the Secretary of Homeland
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Security, I want to thank her, Secretary Gnome, has just signed a memo, a policy
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memo to make it free. Yeah. Why is there a charge anyway? It doesn't make any sense to me. Yes. Yeah. Very simple. Uh
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signature always made this free. Your parents I know your dad is an immigrant. My parents are both immigrants. Both
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immigrants. Two immigrants sitting here. My mother came here without speak English. Yeah. Um so to be clear pick
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me. Me too. You're an immigrant. Also an immigrant. Seventh generation. No. Which
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one does it fit? I don't know. Who's not? Is it Oh, Jason. Who do you think? Seventh generation. I'm the all-in
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presidential candidate by default. Um so I don't know. You're from Mount Olympus, though. Yes. Yeah. Um and
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the five points, but um how should immigration work in this country? You know, we've talked about it on our pod,
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the point-based system, etc. We still want immigration. We need highskilled immigration. We talked to President
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Trump about that. He said he was committed to giving people green cards who have diplomas. And this is a little
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out of your uh purview, but just how do you how does Antonio Gracios feel about immigration? You know, deporting people,
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you know, deporting people with maybe less due process than maybe some of us are comfortable with. What do you think
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we should be doing here as a country? There's a lot in that question. So, look, I'm a enormous fan of immigration.
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I mean, I you will not find a guy who's more pro immigration than I am. Um because my parents are immigrants. um
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they came here with nothing and built a life and I am the American dream and I'm
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so grateful this country for my what it's done for my family you won't find it I am so grateful this country was it
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has been great for us okay um and for all of you the reality is that we need thank
00:23:41
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productivity we We have 7 million job openings roughly in America. We need people to work. Yes, this is this is the
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reality. The the system should very simply be there's a skilled immigration group and we figure out what that should
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be, what jobs you want. We and by the way, America is the best place to live in the world. We all know that. I
00:24:09
believe that if we make this easy, uh they will come, right? No problem. And I think there's broad in that. We also
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need um labor. We do. Our farm, our farmers need labor, need labor in the food industry, restaurants, etc. I think
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there should be both high-end skilled immigration, and there should be a very sensible program for unskilled labor,
00:24:28
uh, a work permit program, and you we've got that H2A program. There there is an
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there is the H2A program. I will tell you, uh, these programs, I mapp the entire system now. Um, they go from DHS
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to State Department to labor. They're very disconnected and they're they're hard to manage. So, we are we are going
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to work on this. One of the things we're going to work on and hopefully leave behind is both a sensible answer to the
00:24:50
illegal problem and a sensible answer to the legal problem. It's very important to the team working on this. They work
00:24:55
on this is like super important for Trump's administration because there seems to be a bit of a I don't want to
00:25:00
call it a civil war, but heated debate internally between people like yourself and Elon and others who believe
00:25:07
immigration is critical and then other people who just want to lock the border and deport 20 million people. Steve,
00:25:12
I'll call the Steve Banning camp. He's not in the administration clearly. Locking the borders. I want to be clear
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on this something. I don't believe in open borders. Yeah. When a country opens it border, this country sees its
00:25:22
sovereignty. Yes. You have you have to have a closer. You have to have a border that is control. Um that doesn't mean
00:25:27
you shouldn't have legal immigration, right? It should be it should be a proper process um where people can come
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in that are great for the country and they believe in our values and they should have a chance to become citizens
00:25:36
if they believe in our values, support our country. I really hope that you guys work this out and can have a positive
00:25:40
influence like you've had with Doge on the administration and really work on this one which is sensible, kind, you
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know, empathetic uh immigration. Y because you're all immigrants. I mean, the values I set for our team, I just
00:25:52
tell you the valor execution values are focus, intensity, and discipline. I added a fourth value here to our team
00:25:58
for our team. Compassion. Yes. Antonio, I just want and I want anyone else to join me in saying, look, you're a
00:26:04
successful, wealthy, um, incredibly handsome, handsome man. That's the best part. But, uh, like I I know the work
00:26:11
you're doing super hard. We talked backstage about how hard it's been. I just want to honestly say as an
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American, thank you for the work you're doing. And well, thank you, bro. All right. Thanks to my friend
00:26:24
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