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we'll let your winners ride rain man david sacks and they've just gone crazy with it
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we should all just get a room and just have one
big huge orgy because they're all just useless
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it's like this like sexual tension
that they just need to release your feet we need to get murky
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all right and we're back and thank you to young
spielberg with the all-in 1.5 extended edition
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remix we're going all in that was thank you to
the super fans that was really incredible actually
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we're back we're back yeah shout out young
spielberg with us the dictator chamoth paulie
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hoppetea the rain man himself david sax is
definitely an excellent driver and his dad lets
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him drive in the driveway and the queen of quinoa
spectacular david freeburg is with us we did an
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emergency pod we just had all agreed we're taking
a nice break nothing's gonna happen over the new
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year this is the down period and 2021 is going to
be delightful and simple and then all hell breaks
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loose we could start with the vaccine we could
start with the capital we could start with georgia
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now we have to start we have to start we have to
start with the capital we have to start with the
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capitals all right so let me just run through
the series of events that occur here there's
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a certification process correct sax that goes
on where the electoral college gets counted and
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somewhere at 10 am trump had a rally of thousands
of supporters you were not there david correct
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you weren't at this round he was in quote-unquote
miami right i think he's in the miami hilton
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on pennsylvania avenue right now and he put
up that fake miami background but the truth
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is let's be honest here um trump came out at
10 a.m and had a rally jason can we just take
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a step back for a second doesn't david sacks
look like elliott gould in ocean's 11 right now
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he is a silver fox and are you i mean
you were very public about being in miami
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over the new year you took your talents
to miami and we see this background um so we can assume that dictators in his uh
pool house poker room we know that freeberg's
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in a ritz carlton somewhere based on the
furniture he's in his ritz carlton uh office
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and sax based on your background are you in
miami right now yeah are you still there yeah
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i still i'm still i'm still here okay but
david did you meet me or not i i haven't
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i actually met him i did meet him i went to like
a tech uh event the other night and he was there
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so were you wearing masks at the tech event were
you wearing a mask they it was they were like
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no no i'll tell you there were masks indoors
and then there was like coveted testing
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inside and then you could graduate to the outdoor
patio part where people generally weren't wearing
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masks so were you in conversations with people
with no masks on is that what you're saying
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at this yeah but you know everyone's been
like covet tested like a zillion times
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and it was outdoors and you know i'm willing to
meet with people outdoors you know i generally
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don't do it indoors but i'm yeah i'm that i i've
said that's my policy starting several months ago
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did we can we rewind to april with that photo of
sac do we have it where he was in the ski mask and
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the goggles and the helmet and like the biohazard
suit and like how things have changed he's like
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i'll go to miami and have a chat with someone yeah
you could you could you you could definitely do uh
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how it started and how it's going uh split photo
for it but but look you're like sharing a banana
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split with someone like you know like well
because on ebay and alibaba buying ventilators
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for his home triage center well i mean we had
people from the who saying in march that the
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you know that the case the infection fatality
rate was like 7 you know and the two big things
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we learned after that were number one that
there was a huge distribution by age right and
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so somebody under 50 without comorbidities had a
much much much lower risk and then also the thing
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we learned is that the there's there's maybe a 10x
difference between the infection fatality rate and
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the case fatality rate i mean you guys know all
this yeah and so so once we learned those things
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um i mean i you you know i think a rational person
takes things like that into account i changed my
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policy with respect to covet you know
and and now especially that we have uh you know easy access to tests which weren't
available you can get tested before going into a
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event so i i have a question to add on to that do you own a fur chewbacca outfit and
were were you in washington dc yesterday
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with more paint on your nipples do you have
a podium do you have a neck to waste a tattoo
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are you standing behind a podium let me hide the
the viking horns that i've got stashed away here
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all right listen there was a great there was a
title can we title yesterday's event national
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lampoon siege of the capital i mean it was like
animal house like you know yeah there was a great
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there was a great tweet by somebody saying this
was uh this was like the storming of the bastille
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as perpetrated by the cast of animal house and
there was another there's another great tweet
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saying uh the capital now appears to be under the
control of a man in a viking mask the best one
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was i have lost all respect for nicholas
cage's ability to steal the us constitution
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apparently yeah whatever copies left all right
so let's just go through the chain of events here
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and it was it was absolutely surreal because
trump literally went out to a mob of people
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and said i want you to march down pennsylvania
avenue and show the gop what it takes to have
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courage et cetera mike pence apparently told
trump that he was not going to go to bat for
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him in the ceremonial process of counting the
votes and lo and behold you're watching this you
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know the objections going on to the electoral
account and you see the secret service come
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rushing in and it becomes a you know very serious
situation and when you watch some of the videos
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it is truly terrorizing that thousands
of people overwhelmed the police and i guess i want to start with people's opinion
on trump's culpability in inciting what was very
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dangerous behavior four people are dead um so you
know while we're joking about the cosplay outfits
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a woman who was a an art and trump supporter who
is a vet who did four tours uh from what i've read
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and i shared the video with you before literally
you know as they broke into the building was
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trying to breach another area of the building
and she's climbing through a window and gets shot
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apparently by the secret service or the police
and dies and so it's all fun and games until
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four people are dead and now somebody's lost their
wife daughter sister jason i mean there could have
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been 400 dead there could have been fourth house
absolutely yeah i mean this could have become a
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shootout at the okay corral i can't understand
why the police showed the restraint they did i
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mean when you see them getting surrounded i don't
know if you saw the one they didn't they didn't
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show restraint jason there was no police when you
look at the amount of um security that's typically
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there and has been there for other situations
and then you compare it to the amount of security
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knowing for a month and a half that this was
coming it's um it just doesn't make any sense
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to me so i'm a little i'm a little dumbfounded
that you know you couldn't have seen this facebook
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group called you know hashtag storm the capital
which had tens of thousands maybe hundreds of
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thousands of members in there plotting and
scheming selling merchandise called storm
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the capital you know these guys were wearing
printed sweatshirts that they had time to make
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and nobody knew about it and nobody thought to
reinforce um the security and barricade it and
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make sure that you couldn't go from
the protest site to the cat i mean i it just seems like there's some level of
complicity that needs to get found out here
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but there was a there was an interview i
saw with an xdc police guy who said that
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i think folks were told to tamper down uh the
police forces were told to tamper down on managing
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crowds and protests and riots following the
controversy associated with blm a few months ago
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and spraying folks with pepper spray and water
and all the physical techniques that were used
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were so um outraging that that there was
just more of a systemic concern about being
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too aggressive with protesters and as a
result they went too far the other way uh it's it's not about it it just happens to be
friedberg that when black people protested and
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brown people they got the tear gas and beaten
with batons and then when the white people uh
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stormed the what the the capital in the same area
they got uh walked down the steps and escorted out
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with a stern warning to not do it
again i mean this is hypocritical and insane i i i don't know why you have to
go there particularly um it it looked to me
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like what happened is that the capitol hill police
simply got completely overwhelmed uh you look at
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these you know giant this is a rally on the mall
that turned into a mob well first it kind of
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turned into a tailgater then it turned into a mob
and then it turned into an insurrection it kind of
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stumbled forward into progressive uh phases of
uh of stupidity and disaster but it's it looked
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to me like the capitol hill police simply got
overwhelmed they they obviously were unprepared
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they were surprised i think by this and i saw
video of tons of tear gas being used i saw people
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getting tear gas like crazy and i think there was
reports uh this morning on twitter that the whole
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area in front of the capitol there was covered in
that light film that remains after tear gassing
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so i don't think they were really pulling punches
too much and i also think that uh that there will
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be prosecutions i think that uh the these people
were captured on video there's a lot of talk on
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twitter and everybody is in favor of finding out
who they are applying facial recognition and uh
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bringing charges so i think there will be a lot of
charges unlike let's say the the blm protest this
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summer i don't remember anybody getting charged
based on video of people writing or looting
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and then i think you know the the the final
difference actually with the blm protest is that
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if you've watched fox news at all in the last 24
hours the condemnation of what of the storming
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of the capital of what happened has been across
the board both right and left everybody across
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the political spectrum has condemned it nobody is
apologizing for it nobody on the right is looking
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for root causes to explain the reasons why it
happened everybody is just condemning it and
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saying that it should never have happened and
the people who did it should be prosecuted and
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so i don't see any kid gloves here being used um
you know either physically or glove sex is when
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you see officers being chased up the steps and uh
or taking selfies you know which is one instance i
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don't want to just say that's the only indicative
thing but when people are breaking through windows
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and just kind of being let go i mean they were
obviously overwhelmed but i'm surprised more
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people didn't get shot let's just tackle this
head-on in terms of the race issue well i have
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a i have a question for david before i make my
statement david do you think that if this were
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black and brown people storming the capital would
there have been more or less than four deaths
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honestly i think would have been
the same i just uh disagree yeah i disagree i really disagree and i'll tell you
why um i think you have the best of intentions
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wanting to think that way but here's the way i
see it i see a president that basically instigated
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a group of people who are fundamentally
disenfranchised let's face it like there are there
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are a lot of very very reasonable republicans and
a lot of very reasonable democrats the fringes of
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both parties are functionally mentally [ __ ] we
know this okay and so what you see are extreme
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on both sides who are just completely lost and
looking for any excuse and so you have a president
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in the tail end of his presidency an anonymous
presidency basically call them out nobody who
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actually had a job or anything to do could show up
right so you had all these people show up it's a
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wednesday yeah it's a wednesday during the day i
mean and what do you think happens they're there
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they're all frothed up you know um eric trump
frothing them up donald trump jr frothing them up
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trump frothing them up giuliani frothing
them up and all of a sudden as you said
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stumbling into degrees of of craziness
and stupidity to storm the capital and i just think to myself how could a
president instigate this kind of action
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number one the second thing i think about
is when black athletes peacefully protested
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uh something that they had the fundamental
constitutional right to protest in the president's eyes they were sons of [ __
] white people that stormed the [ __ ] capital
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the people's house yep were called
patriots by the president's daughter and she and then we're told that they were loved
by the president himself to me it's just an
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enormously stark contrast of a double standard i
think that beyond the persecutions of the people
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i actually feel very bad for the people that
stormed the capital i feel like these are folks
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that are on the fringes who just need a vessel and
trump is a vessel and then he instigates them and
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runs away you know what i mean he's a character
he's lost these are less that these guys commit
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the crime and now they're going to go to jail i
feel like the the culpability has to go all the
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way back to trump to holly to cruz these guys
are those are the real scumbags in all of this
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freebird what are your thoughts on this and
then i'll go back to sax and let him respond
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yeah i don't i don't think it's unreasonable
to assume that if this was a black lives matter
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and and it was black people involved or brown
people involved in um in the same sorts of
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activities you saw yesterday that you would
not see more shootings i don't think that's
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an unreasonable uh position to take obviously
um i think there's this other circumstance
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which is that event preceding this one as i
mentioned i saw an interview with the dc police
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former police direct director of the
police or some i forgot what his title was
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where he highlighted that you know folks
were kind of instructed to stand down following the blm controversies and so i think
that's also kind of a reasonable point of view
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and uh what about the president's
culpability i mean i think that's one issue that's gonna have to be addressed
post and i think we have to figure out what
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life post trump is going to be like because this
is a level of chaos that nobody to sax's point
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all people condemned it's um yeah there's a
there's a there's a theory which actually takes
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its origin from from hitler where uh hitler used
this term the big lie and uh you know the theory
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is that you can create political propaganda
by saying something that's so outrageous
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it is so improbable that people say there's no
way this thing keeps getting said over and over
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unless it's actually real um and this is sort of
like the q anon pedophile ring in the pizzeria
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or the fact that the election was stolen
from you it is such an outrageous statement
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um that that it seems to people uh that it only
has to be true um because it is it is such an
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insane thing and if it is it's so insane and i
am so incited by this thing so this is kind of a
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you know acknowledged as being uh you know a
political propaganda technique that goes back a
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long time by the way hitler used it as a way to to
use it as almost like a double bluff uh to blame
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the jews um uh in in germany which was um uh you
know an unfortunate kind of origin of the term but
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um uh but the term is used a lot now and saying
like these sorts of events are ridiculous now
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what's gonna happen going forward i don't think
big lies go away you can try and mute them on
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twitter and meet them on facebook or mute them on
reddit but whether it's q anon or whatever is next
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this is becoming kind of a standard form now
because of the way media is distributed anyone
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can say a big lie and it gets a lot of listeners
and trump is totally culpable for that he made
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some [ __ ] up he made a bunch of claims i mean
if you guys haven't seen lindsey graham's speech
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yesterday it is absolutely worth watching that he
gave late last night i saw it i saw it and he's
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like he's like i asked for the for the show me the
eight the ten give me ten people that claim that
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they voted and they were under eighteen he's like
they gave you one give me anyone that that uh was
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in prison or died and they gave me zero and he's
like goes on and on for a couple minutes about
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how none of what was said about what happened
in the election was true and it was all false
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and he's like this is all just not true um and so
i think trump is culpable for creating a falsehood
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and uh and uh you know having a megaphone
and you know there were certainly of violence that is i think where the rubber is
going to meet the road trump's going to be out of
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office in two weeks or less one way or the other
do you uh and let me just take it to sacks um
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sacks i want to give you the time to respond
to the the issue of uh the double standard
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uh in terms of race and blm and then also do
you sacks if you're on biden's team coming in
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do you advise that you prosecute trump or
investigate trump for this insurrection yes or no
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okay so just to tie off on the the blm issue
i i just you know i just normally don't think
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that race is the issue here um chamoth
look i i don't know at the end of the day
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what the fatalities would have been if it
had been a blm protest that that went awry
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but i will stick to what i said before which is
i predict that you will see more prosecutions
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come out of this of the people who are involved
i'm talking about the people who stormed the
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capitol then we saw from all the the blm protests
over the summer i mean i don't remember any
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prosecutions coming out of videotape of people
being caught recorded looting and rioting and
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i predict you will see more here and again
i think another difference again the extent
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there's a double standard uh i you know i
remember a lot of left-wing news networks
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um calling the writing and looting the summer
peaceful protests which they clearly were not
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you even had a book called in defense of looting
and i don't hear anybody defending the storming
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of the capital nobody on the right so look to the
extent there's a double standard i don't know that
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it accrues to the the blm side of this but look i
think that's kind of beside the point and not not
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the real issue here i mean jason to your question
of is trump responsible yes i mean clearly 100
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100 yes because he he is the one who who put
forth this theory that the election was stolen
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and was constantly repeating it for the last
two months two months ago right after the
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election there was an article published in the
spectator called deplorables don't riot it was
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actually a pretty good op end it was written by
a conservative and the conservative's point was
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that you know all these windows and shops have
been boarded up in anticipation of potential
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riding and looting with the election and all these
conservatives are saying well who's do you know
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who are they afraid of you know not not us not the
maga folks well then the theory was deplorables
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don't don't riot and and and the right was was
proud of that two months ago and now we are seeing
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that well no the deplorables are rioting why is
that what what changed over the last two months
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and what changed is the constant feeding
to this group of people this idea starting
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with trump but then perpetuated by you know
different right-wing media organizations and
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other politicians who sort of were you
know trying to curry favor with trump uh they were constantly pushing for
this idea that the election was stolen
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so that these people on the mall who then riot and
storm the capital believed that the election was
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being stolen from them so you know ultimately that
responsibility goes is trump's so to be clear and
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reflecting back to you you're saying trump incited
sedation is that the right word well sedition
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sedition doesn't seem like the wrong it doesn't
seem like the exact right word to me i mean riot
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it was it was certainly a riot now now did now
look i mean you're talking about prosecuting a
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legal case uh you know if you want to look at
the legal standard for incitement it has to be
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you know provoking people to take an imminent
lawless act uh i think i think he lo if you want
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to see this mob as a gun i think he loaded the gun
he pointed it in a certain direction but did he
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tell them to storm the capital no not specifically
i think therefore it'd be a very hard case to
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prosecute but i think you know prosecuting him
in a court of law is is sort of unnecessary and
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redundant i mean i think that in the eyes of the
public politically he has i think most people see
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that he's culpable and i even think of his
political career i think he's i think he's
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disqualified himself from being uh a candidate you
know at a national level again i mean if you look
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okay again just go back two months ago look at how
much has changed two months ago just in the day or
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two after the election trump had narrowly lost but
there was talk of him starting a new news network
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to rival fox there was talk about he could even
be a candidate again in in 2024 it was not off the
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table i think now it's it's clearly off the table
and you've seen it it's partly because of the
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georgia runoffs which we should get to but again
the republican candidates at least one of them
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had won that election two months ago and now they
lost and that has a lot to do with trump's antics
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in the meantime of is just feeding this constant
you know lie about the stolen election right
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i think there's a really important question about
you know sorry but is it worth um prosecuting
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trump uh post fact um you know does that do
more harm or good for for the country as a whole
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certainly there will be a lot of people that
would get great satisfaction of putting trump
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in prison a lot of people are calling for that
but um we really do need to question the um
00:24:08
you know the incredible divide in the nation
and what's the best way to heal the divide
00:24:11
the objective shouldn't be pursuing justice uh it
should be about moving forward i'm not suggesting
00:24:17
don't prosecute trump but i i think that it's
worth it's worthy of noting that you know
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there is another way of framing this whole
thing which is what's the best thing to do
00:24:26
going forward though on the flip side you
could even make the case that one of the best
00:24:30
things joe biden could do today or tomorrow is to
announce a federal election uh review commission
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uh to actually look into wrongdoings at the state
level with a 500 bipartisan yeah 100 yeah i mean
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it's a slam dunk case anyway if biden did
that and he you know he basically embraced the
00:24:49
the notion that a lot of folks are really angry
about and said i'm listening to you i'm hearing
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you let me show you and at the same time they did
not prosecute trump and you know let him go go off
00:24:58
into the distance and do his own thing maybe you
start to kind of you know heal the rift a little
00:25:03
bit but right now everyone's kind of inflamed
and there is this like how do we prosecute him
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what do we do when he's you know do it you know
and we're just continuing to kind of escalate the
00:25:12
dialogue and increase the rift i just yeah
so i look i think prosecuting trump at this
00:25:17
point first of all legally that might be
a difficult case to prove because of the
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need to prove that the um that he was trying
to provoke uh an imminent lawless action
00:25:28
you know if he had been at the barricades you know
pushing people forward yes but so i think legally
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it'd be a tough case and i think it would be it
like you said it'd be unnecessarily uh divisive
00:25:38
and partisan i don't know why we need to go there
i mean at the end of the day any politicians stock
00:25:44
and trade is their credibility and popularity and
trump has fundamentally damaged the perception
00:25:50
of him i think even among the right i have a huge
issue with this and i'll tell you why it's because
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the folks that are now going to go to
jail were instigated by this guy and the folks that were there in many ways
were brought they were cajoled they were
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instigated to travel from groomed to travel there
to take the time out of their lives to basically
00:26:17
then get fed this rhetoric and in a moment of just
crazy mob like mentality to act out at the behest
00:26:26
of the leader of the free world there has to be
a consequence not just to those people because
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they in many ways are not the person to prosecute
to the extent that you are going to put some of
00:26:37
these people in jail which we look like it looks
like we're going to and by the way let's be honest
00:26:41
there is no inconceivable way that these people
get charged with a misdemeanor that's not going
00:26:45
to stand right and the worst perpetrators of this
when they get put in jail will get put in jail
00:26:50
for five to ten years minimum and so what are we
going to do when we look at ourselves in the eye
00:26:56
and say these poor americans at the end of the day
who were instigated by this guy and he yet again
00:27:01
gets off scot-free while hundreds of americans who
were basically in a peak of craziness fed by this
00:27:08
guy does something and goes to jail and you have
hundreds of lives and hundreds of families ruined
00:27:14
even if we don't find a way to basically put
trump in jail for this i can 100 guarantee you
00:27:21
i will bet a million bucks that now the
southern district of new york gloves off
00:27:29
every single state that can go after this guy
gloves off and to the extent that joe biden had
00:27:36
any incentive to basically like let this go away
at the federal level gloves off in my opinion i
00:27:43
really i really really need to say let's let's say
that folks do go after trump what does that do if
00:27:48
he gets put in jail or he you know gets uh there's
some criminal proceeding brought against him what
00:27:53
does that do to the 50 percent of the nation that
truly support him and truly care about him i don't
00:27:59
you know i don't like like the balance of justice
versus unification you know i think we're talking
00:28:04
actually about 25 percent of the country i think
i don't even think it sounds right or whatever it
00:28:09
is like there's obviously a big voting block and a
big block of the uh potential blockchain i think i
00:28:14
think i think of the 70 million people that voted
for donald trump i think there are half of them
00:28:22
who would equally vote for a normal centrist
candidate romney and nikki haley didn't
00:28:29
necessarily believe in donald trump then i think
there's the other 35 million and i do think that
00:28:35
there's a spectrum of those 35 and i think that
you probably lost 10 or 15 million of them after
00:28:41
the events of yesterday where they just threw
their hands up in the air and said hey it would
00:28:45
really only inflame 20 million is what you're
saying correct and i think i agree with jamal
00:28:49
right and those 20 million people are you know sad
to say concentrated in about 10 states that don't
00:28:55
functionally matter economically or otherwise
um and so about the balance of justice versus
00:29:00
unification certainly it sounds like you're saying
ways heavily towards justice right like more more
00:29:05
folks will benefit from seeing him come to justice
or would perceive justice then i think what it
00:29:10
will allow i think it'll allow the republican
party to recenter itself i think that's better
00:29:14
for politics i think it's better for governance
it's better for america i think it allows a lot
00:29:20
of people to basically wake up out of this haze
that they've been in four years and say wow wait
00:29:25
a minute enough enough like i was on a really bad
bender i did a couple things i really regret and
00:29:31
i need to recenter myself how do you not find this
turning into a tit for tat berlusconi italy brazil
00:29:37
israel kind of phenomenon where you know future
leaders are then attacked and challenged and taken
00:29:42
the best the best tweet i saw on this was this
woman tweeted out that uh the following she said
00:29:49
when the democrats lost in 2016 they knitted
pink hats and donated to planned parenthood
00:29:56
no they didn't no they didn't they invented
a ridiculous russian conspiracy theory
00:30:01
they david that like 10 people went to
russia the russians no one went to jail you're like the last person you're like the last
person who still believes in this well listen i
00:30:13
still believe that they tried and i still believe
i don't know that they succeeded but i think
00:30:18
mueller spent two years investigating this tens of
millions of dollars 25 fbi and uh yeah those are
00:30:22
all gop talking points the fact is manafort went
to jail for something completely unrelated you
00:30:30
must be the last person who still believes that
trump won in 2016 because of russian interference
00:30:35
i think that they i think he asked the ukraine
for help and i think he asked the russians
00:30:40
for help and i think that he would have gladly
accepted the help now is it was it a a conspiracy
00:30:47
no it wasn't a conspiracy never this is the
problem with your russia talking point is that
00:30:54
you're trying to just say because he didn't
get prosecuted which he's probably not going
00:30:58
to get prosecuted for this either the guy was a
serial offender okay and they were trying to get
00:31:04
information from wikileaks and they were trying to
get the the hacks and so i don't know why you can
00:31:10
so clearly see what he's doing david when
he incites this violence and then you don't
00:31:15
see that he would he has no moral backbone or
character and that he wouldn't accept foreign aid
00:31:21
it's not that bastard here here's my view okay
here's my view is that when you lose an election
00:31:28
as a candidate you have to look in the mirror
and ask what you did wrong okay trump failed to
00:31:34
do that two months ago instead of just taking
the l and you know and he he could have blamed
00:31:39
it on the fact that vaccine was one week late i
mean there were there he you know instead of just
00:31:43
accepting the loss he invented this conspiracy
theory that the election was stolen and he's
00:31:47
basically like freiburg said been pumping it
month after month and you know his enablers
00:31:53
you know have have perpetuated it until we had
this you know total breakdown and storming of
00:31:58
the capital but again you know where was the
democratic reassessment of why they lost in 2016
00:32:05
who on the democrat side looked in the mirror and
said you know we shouldn't have lost that election
00:32:10
you know what did we do wrong they didn't do that
instead they blamed it all on russian interference
00:32:16
or facebook you know all of a sudden facebook
went from being a darling to being a scapegoat
00:32:21
and there was uh russian ads being bought with
rubles and tons of link forms confirmed done by
00:32:30
the russians in order to uh ferment anti-hillary
sentiment i mean no it actually happened it's true
00:32:37
it's true i don't know affect the election nobody
could know that but it didn't yes we can because
00:32:44
yeah it did it did some effort so now you're
admitting there was russian interference so you
00:32:49
were before saying there wasn't and now you're
saying there was i'm talking about i'm talking
00:32:53
about why somebody no no it's not because here
here's the here's where you're being misleading
00:32:59
is yes is it true that there was some fsb
operative somewhere buying ads on facebook
00:33:04
yes hundreds of them hundreds of them out of
billions of impressions okay it was a microscopic
00:33:12
number of total impressions of the election
and the people who actually looked at those ads
00:33:17
thought they were absurd imagine some operative
hold on let me finish my point imagine some
00:33:22
operative in moscow trying to influence the
american election by buying ads on facebook
00:33:27
did they try yes look foreign intelligence
services are trying all the time okay but was
00:33:33
that they didn't try they did try yes okay and did
trump and his family ask them no there was no help
00:33:40
there's no proof of collusion there was no proof
of collusion okay okay that's what we need to take
00:33:43
the meeting okay no that's what mueller he spent
two years investigating it and found no collusion
00:33:48
look so my point is again we're getting
off on a rabbit hole here but my point was
00:33:54
when when you as a candidate lose an election
you have to take responsibility for that that
00:33:59
was not done in 2016. it was not done certainly
in 2020 by trump it is the problem with both our
00:34:04
political parties that they would rather invent
conspiracy theories and lies then acknowledge
00:34:10
why people are rejecting them yeah i agree with
this i i would say this but that is not the point
00:34:18
david you are right okay somewhere along the way
we got stuck worrying about the pronouns that we
00:34:25
use and which bathrooms should be or should not
be transgendered while the american middle class
00:34:31
was completely gutted from pillar to post that is
what's created the boundary conditions for this
00:34:37
every single time there's been an insurrection
or an uprising or a revolution in america
00:34:44
it has never been about ideology it has always
been about economics always and economics is the
00:34:52
tip of the spear in this country whether we like
it or not it started with the boston tea party
00:34:56
you know it continued through the civil war it
has always been about that topic so we all let it
00:35:05
happen we all have a responsibility to fix it that
though is a topic i think for another day because
00:35:11
that's the grand arc of what we need to do in our
generation and fix this inequality gap meanwhile
00:35:18
we do have this tactical issue which is
you have the leader of the free world in my opinion and i think in a lot of reasonable
minded people's opinion instigating essentially
00:35:32
at a minimum a riot and at the maximum some
form of like treason it idiotic form of
00:35:40
i don't i mean the problem is it's just it is just
like it's just it's incomprehensible what it is
00:35:47
i've fallen on the side that we need to prosecute
him now i was i was 50 50 on this but i'll tell
00:35:52
you what's tipped me over is you know if we don't
prosecute him there's this sort of like unfairness
00:35:57
to it i think that's a very good point you made
chamoth but i also think that he is go we need
00:36:03
to wake people up from this fog they've been in to
friedberg and i don't i think we have to free the
00:36:09
the republican party to get back to some more
version that is reasonable like you are sacks i
00:36:16
would rather see the party the republican party
has is is already rejecting trump so just look
00:36:22
at what's happened in the last 24 to 48 hours
even after this storming of the capital okay you
00:36:27
had republicans who who were just hours before
objecting to the electors they basically were
00:36:32
saying no i've changed my mind who is that lindsey
graham but not ted cruz not that other kelly
00:36:40
there are a few other ones who switched sides uh
you had ex you had excellent speeches by lindsey
00:36:44
graham and then romney i agree with that they
spoke very very eloquently and just today elaine
00:36:50
chao resigned as secretary transportation i
think that's mostly significant she's david
00:36:56
she's a missionary party yeah look i think i
think after georgia the republican party was
00:37:02
already blamed trump for that and now after
the storming of the capital they're ready to
00:37:06
be done with him this idea that you need to
prosecute trump to end his somehow end his
00:37:12
relation with the republican party i think it
will just backfire um i don't think that's what
00:37:16
the point is i think the point is that nobody
is above the law and when you when you lead
00:37:22
you know what look the thing with
the people that attended this rally is in any other situation and jason you said
it earlier these are our veterans these are
00:37:31
the people that are like working good jobs they're
trying to just keep america going they've always
00:37:37
believed in american exceptionalism there was
nothing wrong with that it was just perverted
00:37:41
by this [ __ ] scumbag yep he is a complete
piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] scumbag he's garbage
00:37:47
and i think that's why you have to prosecute
him i think you have to make an example of him
00:37:51
i know that they with nixon they took a different
approach but i just think he's too dangerous to
00:37:56
leave unprosecuted because every time he has
some bad behavior whether it was the ukraine
00:38:02
whether it's you know russian we can debate what
level they wanted to engage with the russians
00:38:08
or you know in the case of this uh riotous
behavior you know i think he's not gonna stop
00:38:14
that's the thing that i fear is i don't think he's
gonna i would rather i would rather take every
00:38:18
single person arrested and give them zero days in
jail and add it all up and give it to trump well i
00:38:26
i wouldn't i mean i i agree with you to to some
degree that they were victims of this two-month
00:38:34
propaganda campaign to convince uh the right that
this election was stolen i think a lot of those
00:38:39
people who are storming the capital they were
there not to steal an election because they were
00:38:44
thought they were there to prevent the ceiling
election and so yes they they have been duped
00:38:48
by a lot of people including you know leading with
with trump but including a lot of other people who
00:38:54
should have known better uh but but that being
said they did make the decision to hop the
00:38:59
barricades smash the windows go into the capital
there's some personal responsibility absolutely
00:39:04
yeah we can't that's the tragedy of this woman
like but let's talk about this woman for a
00:39:08
second and i think it's important to look at this
specific case this is a person who's a veteran and
00:39:14
she was inside the halls already and was trying to
breach another area and she was just shot dead by
00:39:23
secret service they might have been protecting the
vp they might have been protecting nancy pelosi or
00:39:28
mitch mcconnell who knows um but they shot her
dead yeah i saw it on video i mean it's on video
00:39:35
it's unbelievable and it i mean coming from a law
enforcement family i can tell you that's a clean
00:39:40
shooting if she was breaching and they told her do
not come in here we're going to shoot you and they
00:39:46
were protected the secret service is protecting an
asset they're allowed to shoot you like you can't
00:39:52
jump that and she's a military vet she's from the
air force i mean what is in her mind how wound
00:39:58
up was she by trump and by this propaganda that
when they told her do not breach the second door
00:40:05
inside by the way you just said the key word you
cannot be spun up in all of this by giuliani he's
00:40:10
a [ __ ] [ __ ] you know he can barely like not
wet his pants yeah you know you're not going to
00:40:15
get spun up by sidney powell the only person that
can really catalyze this is the person that has
00:40:22
the respect that comes with sitting in the seat
that's called the presidency of the united states
00:40:28
and he's the only one he's the only one we all
know this because if giuliani was running this
00:40:33
rally and said let's go storm the capital nobody
would have done it we all know this look yeah
00:40:40
what do you think about this woman david
like think about the psychology of this
00:40:44
person for a second the humanity of it
you know i'll say something i think um man politics is um isn't the problem it's
kind of a manifestation of the problem
00:40:55
if you think about how crazy it is that i posted
a tweet about this the other day because i've been
00:41:00
thinking about it a lot i think it's so crazy that
you can show people a tv ad or a facebook ad and
00:41:06
get them to change their mind on what to vote
like um people are kind of shown stuff and the
00:41:13
bigger problem is this kind of reductionism that's
um that's kind of enveloped all of this you know
00:41:18
if you go back a hundred years i guarantee you
people were having deeper more civil conversations
00:41:23
about differences of opinion and ways to
govern and um and and laws uh to govern us
00:41:30
and i think like you know it's so easy to put
a 30-second kind of reductionist ad in front
00:41:37
of someone uh incite their kind of amygdala to to
respond and change their mind about something or
00:41:44
push them in some direction and i think that's
the bigger issue with like what's been going on
00:41:47
is people are kind of being pushed all the way to
one side or pushed all the way to the other side
00:41:51
um through this you know this this very kind of
simple process there is no dialogue to decide
00:41:56
what candidate to vote for or dialogue to decide
um what path to take it's it's all insidious like
00:42:02
lock his ass up you know kill them like everything
has become extremely binary um and the gray scale
00:42:09
is really the reality and unfortunately we've
kind of really hurt ourselves in this tribalism
00:42:13
over objectivism kind of approach to how
we uh talk as a society and how we debate
00:42:20
and as a result people are pushed over the edge
and i think this is a manifestation of that
00:42:25
broader problem which i think is probably
linked to the internet and short attention
00:42:29
spans well this is going also why uh i
think the gop has just been completely you know but it's not just the gop dominated
now that what i'm saying they're all they they
00:42:41
which i think is a good segue into georgia
but you can share the same about aoc
00:42:45
and you could say that aoc is doing the same
to the democratic party and they're they're
00:42:49
you know equally frustrated with this extremist
point of view or elizabeth warren or bernie
00:42:53
sanders and they're you know none of them
got the nomination though right none of
00:42:58
but they could have and they were close and
it was like hey look give everyone a million
00:43:02
dollars okay great like and tax the rich 90
great like it's easy to say and and my point is
00:43:07
by the way i think the root of a lot of this
is um is people are programmed to be unhappy
00:43:13
right that's how you instigate people to take
action the the bottom 10 percent of americans
00:43:18
make more money and have a better position
in life than the top 10 percent of kenyans
00:43:24
and it's an incredible statistic if you think
about it go to dollarstreak.org or dollarspeak.com
00:43:28
and you can actually play around and see what
different people live like around the world yet in
00:43:33
the us we are told at every strata whether you're
wealthy or or not wealthy relative to others in
00:43:39
the united states that you should be better off
and it is um you know happiness is the difference
00:43:44
between expectation and outcome and everyone's
been set an expectation beyond what they currently
00:43:48
have and as a result through programmatic work
that is done on people in the united states
00:43:54
we are being told you should be unhappy oh and
by the way here's the short-term solution to
00:44:00
resolve it and it's driving an incredible amount
of um of behavioral shift and it really threatens
00:44:06
democracy as we saw this week and you guys
will remember my my big loser for the political
00:44:12
loser for 2020 was the american uh democratic
institution and i think we saw that uh this week
00:44:19
on the on the heels of that can i
ask you guys what you think of this basically pelosi has told pence you have to
invoke the 25th amendment or they're going
00:44:28
to take up impeachment what do you guys think
about that i think it's the right thing to do
00:44:33
how do you do i think they have to be there has
to be a backstop against you what do you mean
00:44:37
you could do something crazy you could still well
here's the thing i i i tweeted at free bahar about
00:44:43
this if you are impeached uh successfully you
can't run again um so i think that this is a um
00:44:50
a way to put the nail in the coffin of trump even
having the ability to run in 2024 which i think
00:44:56
is why the democrats are on the right side of
history on this one that's my personality maybe
00:44:59
they sign a non-prosecution agreement with him if
he resigns and that that's kind of the final you
00:45:03
know i mean that's what i would like to see but
jason why can't you trust voters to make the right
00:45:09
decision in 2024 i i um do i trust voters i it's
not about trusting the voters it's more about do i
00:45:20
think there should be ramifications for somebody's
behavior that's that's my fear is that if he keeps
00:45:26
getting away with stuff he could do something even
more violent or dangerous as chamod said earlier
00:45:30
it's a miracle that a hundred people weren't
shot dead and this wasn't a firefight i mean if
00:45:35
somebody takes out a gun at any moment during that
and people start shooting we could have hundreds
00:45:39
of people americans dead not just the four who
died and i think trump is absolutely capable
00:45:46
of doing something in the last 14 days if he did
this 15 days out why wouldn't he do something
00:45:52
else seven days out or three days out he's a
maniac i mean this is insane deranged criminal
00:45:59
lunatic behavior it's completely possible that he
could do something more dangerous in the last 14
00:46:04
days i know that that sounds crazy but look at
what we saw yesterday i think i i think there
00:46:11
is like a white knuckle element to the next two
weeks i think we're all kind of white knuckling it
00:46:15
to you know to see what's gonna happen uh we have
300 hours to go till biden has sworn in and i've
00:46:21
got to admit like i i'm counting down the hours
you know it's too insane nobody wants everything
00:46:27
everybody's feeling everybody's feeling that um
that being said i i just think that i'm more on
00:46:33
on fr freeberg's point of view on this that
we have this insane level of partisan warfare
00:46:40
in the us it's gone to like a whole another level
and i just and and and trump has definitely made
00:46:45
it worse and the storming of the capital is the
you know is the zenith of it it's the apex but
00:46:51
look the other side's been doing it too
and the question is just how we de-escalate
00:46:55
this insane person in the de-escalation chamath
isn't biden like being elected i think it is
00:47:03
yeah i think it is it's like we picked the
most boring candidate who has the most milk
00:47:07
toast middle of the road approach who who lindsey
graham likes and who travel the world with i mean
00:47:15
lady g loves him well to the extent that biden has
a mandate this is it i mean and he talked about it
00:47:21
in his victory speech that night which was
which was was quite good it's about bringing
00:47:25
people together um now look i mean the the the
issue one of the issues is you can't ignore the
00:47:31
fact that democrats for the last four years
have waged this insane partisan war against
00:47:36
trump i mean let's not even go into the merits
but you had this two-year mueller witch-hunt you
00:47:42
then had this uh impeachment uh you know crusade
which look if there was a lot of validity to the
00:47:49
impeachment why wasn't it used as a campaign
issue last year i just think everybody knows
00:47:53
let me ask you a question everybody knows
that was hyper partisan and and my point is
00:47:58
that yeah look i mean i think it's a good thing
if biden can de-escalate things that that is
00:48:03
that is i think why he won the election is
that he was seen as more of a sane alternative
00:48:07
let me ask you a question saks do you think it
would have been do you think if trump had been
00:48:13
impeached for the ukraine uh interference and
pence had taken over we would not have seen what
00:48:18
we were seeing yesterday and the country
would have been further along to healing
00:48:23
uh so you know no i mean pence would not have
invited or asked all of his supporters to come
00:48:29
to the capitol to oppose the accounting the the
counting of the electors i look that was a unique
00:48:36
trump thing for you know he could not accept
the loss and had to keep pushing and pushing and
00:48:41
pushing on this idea that he that the election was
stolen okay so it would have been a good idea no
00:48:47
no it wouldn't no it wouldn't because if you had
if you had impeached trump no well first of all he
00:48:51
was impeached okay but if you had voted for victim
if you had removed him from office the senate had
00:48:56
voted to convict over a phone call okay and look
i'm not defending the phone call i'm not saying
00:49:02
the phone call was perfect okay i know trump says
it was perfect it was not a perfect phone call but
00:49:06
you can't remove a sitting president for that okay
look it was unseemly or whatever i think we all
00:49:12
know what he was trying to do in that phone call
but you can't remove a sitting president over that
00:49:18
that was hyper partisan and so no the country
would be much further apart today if you had
00:49:23
done that and and so the question now is well
how do you bring it back together and i think
00:49:27
i understand where where where tamatha's
coming from i think that trump deserves
00:49:32
morally culpably uh i think he he has a
repudiation some repudiation but but i don't believe in locking him up or or prosecuting
him that's only going to make things much more
00:49:44
crime for this crime we we don't even know what
else is out there i mean i think yeah there's
00:49:50
other issues out there let's talk about georgia
let's let's i think we've nailed the trump i mean
00:49:54
unless anybody really feels like continuing
to talk stacy abrams is a genius i mean my
00:49:59
gosh she should be in charge of everything
yeah can we get her on the vaccine rollout
00:50:04
well trump that's incredible it's incredible
stacey abbas did an incredible job on the
00:50:07
democratic side mobilizing turnout um but the
reason why the republicans lost georgia is
00:50:14
frankly trump i mean trump costs them georgia two
months ago purdue beat ossoff in that election he
00:50:22
won he won he won and and he's beaten him before i
think he is uh i mean he's not the most wonderful
00:50:28
candidate but i think he is a better candidate and
he lost because of these antics over the last two
00:50:35
months culminating in that insane phone call that
trump had with the georgia securities we talked
00:50:40
about rather right i mean should he get you to
fight for that sacks can't you just find me 11
00:50:46
000 votes look i i just think you know which one
is more prosecutable sending people to the capitol
00:50:52
or asking them and begging them to find him eleven
thousand votes which one is more prosecutable to
00:50:57
you saks since you're gonna be framing us let's
wait jason hold on let's let's move on let's
00:51:01
move away from the whole trump goes to jail for a
second i just wanna i think it's important to talk
00:51:05
about georgia because i think david you're going
to make a point yeah exactly i mean look i think
00:51:10
we're getting hung up too much on the legalities
and let's just talk about what's right and wrong
00:51:13
you know which we is what we can agree on and
let you know lawyers and prosecutors figure out
00:51:17
the legalities um ramesh panuru from national
view had a great quote about georgia he said
00:51:24
that purdue and loffler could have survived any
two of these three being unimpressive candidates
00:51:30
georgia shifting purple and trump being
a maniac and unfortunately you had three
00:51:35
out of three and that's why they lost if uh
it was a great is a great quote uh you know
00:51:41
you had the raffles burger call you know can't
you just find the 11 000 votes the day before
00:51:46
the election or two days for the election i mean
that had to push swing voters and undecideds to
00:51:51
the democrats and the other thing is that purdue
and loffler weren't able to make the best argument
00:51:56
that they had which is if you vote for us you
end up with split you you prevent the democrats
00:52:02
from having all the power in washington so unless
you want to give all the power in washington to a
00:52:07
single party you need to vote for us that was the
best argument for voting for them because there's
00:52:12
a lot of people in this country who believe
in splitting their ticket because they don't
00:52:16
trust either party which is kind of where i'm
at um but they were unable to make that argument
00:52:21
effectively because trump was still hanging on
to the idea that he was going to be president
00:52:25
no i think david i honestly i think this comes
down to the intelligence of the candidates
00:52:29
kelly lofter is a [ __ ] she's an idiot david
perdue's a good old boy he's an idiot they're
00:52:35
just stupid this actually speaks to a bigger
problem which is the republicans could do so much
00:52:40
better if they could actually find younger more
vibrant intelligent people and instead they find
00:52:46
these [ __ ] morons i don't know where they find
them but you know they pulled kelly loffler out
00:52:50
of some like backstage dallas beauty pageant and
just kind of like fluffed her up and tried to get
00:52:54
her to run she's a [ __ ] loffler loffler was a
mistake loffler wasn't a mistake [ __ ] idiot did
00:53:01
you read the story about her with the wnba but
i mean george i mean it's unbelievable georgia
00:53:07
georgia is full of so many incredible
politicians and they found that idiot that that was a huge mistake if they just voted or
yeah i mean the governor made a huge mistake they
00:53:16
put they appointed her to the last two months
uh i so i agree that she's a particularly weak
00:53:21
candidate but the republicans only needed one of
these two elections and purdue had beaten assaf
00:53:26
before i agree with you he's not necessarily
the greatest candidate of all time but he has
00:53:30
proved better than ossoff in the past including
november and the reason why he lost two months
00:53:35
later is because what's transpired in the last two
months biden has acted presidential and trump has
00:53:40
done what he's done and that that made all the
difference and and that by the way is why you're
00:53:45
seeing the republicans breaking from trump they
were already on their way to breaking with him and
00:53:50
then you had this david story of the capital what
are the implications for josh hawley and ted cruz
00:53:56
i i think i think this was a blow to them because
i think that what they were doing in terms of uh
00:54:04
opposing the the the electors uh everybody knew
it was sort of cynical and theater it was theater
00:54:12
it was performative theater designed to curry
favor with trump so that he might endorse them
00:54:18
in 2024 for the nomination and it was it was it
was optionistic and the problem is it backfired
00:54:24
horribly and you know people now see it for what
it was and so yeah i think it's gonna ultimately
00:54:30
they tried to do something optionistic that they
thought would help them politically and i think
00:54:34
it's gonna hurt them but wait i have to ask you
guys do you guys know the backstory of loffler
00:54:40
and the atlantic dream the wnba team it's tears
honestly jason i'm going to get so angry because
00:54:45
she is just a complete piece of [ __ ] please
don't i i'm you can bring it up i i think she just
00:54:50
don't think saks and friberg are aware of this
but i think she's a complete piece of [ __ ] she
00:54:55
basically tells the story it's basically she
was anti-blm and she was writing letters to the
00:55:03
nba wnba to not allow the players to to be vocal
about black lives matter with the you know after
00:55:10
the killing of um the murder of george floyd and
uh so what the team did if you look at that story
00:55:18
is they backed warnock uh they got on the
call with him they refused to say her name
00:55:23
and uh they rallied the support of warnock uh
who ultimately uh beat her and they refused
00:55:29
to say her name i just ever again if you the
players are saying if you want to see courage
00:55:35
the women that play in the wnba are some of the
most incredible people yes these these are women
00:55:43
that have basically stopped their athletic career
stopped fame you know stopped all of the attention
00:55:49
in some cases stopped fortunes to work on behalf
of criminal justice reform to basically overturn
00:55:56
you know uh unjust convictions these women are
incredible and then to be suppressed to be able
00:56:02
to say what was on their mind kelly loffler is
a piece of [ __ ] and they basically wore these
00:56:08
vote warnock t-shirts every day at every game i
mean imagine and then now they're i think going
00:56:15
to be forced to go to those women yeah i give them
uh sue bird i think is the uh was the leader of
00:56:20
the whole movement yeah bravo to her all right
moving on from politics i think we have to talk
00:56:26
freeberg about the deployment of the vaccine um
i i did a quick poll on twitter and twitter and
00:56:33
the american people have asked that friedberg
the queen of quinoa be responsible for the
00:56:39
vaccine distribution going forward really
i'm in let's do it uh i would what did you
00:56:46
i would get that vaccine into everyone's arms in
75 days i mean it was you would be such a stone
00:56:53
cold yeah that would be amazing yeah i don't know
free freebird what would you do differently and
00:56:59
maybe you could describe you know we were supposed
to be at a million a day we're at 350 trending
00:57:04
towards 400. we did 1.5 million in 72 hours
according to fauci at one point uh right after the
00:57:10
new year so we're kind of like halfway where we
need to be what would you do differently because
00:57:16
the rollout seems we have more than 50 percent
are on the shelves still in arms it is a wartime
00:57:23
scenario when war is happening you don't go home
at 5 00 p.m and wake up at 9 00 a.m and clock out
00:57:30
for an hour for lunch and you know you don't uh
oh well don't run too fast you know you might trip
00:57:35
you don't do any of that we've created
incredible disincentives in the system by in fact cuomo put out a million dollar fine
if uh if you get your vaccine out of line i mean
00:57:48
think about the disincentive that creates now
people are more scared about giving the vaccine
00:57:52
to the wrong person then they are incentivized
to give the vaccine to the right person
00:57:58
and the reality is this is a group game this
isn't an individual game it's not about who
00:58:03
gets vaccinated first and you'll live and you'll
die we all need to get vaccinated as a group so
00:58:09
that we all have immunity so that this virus stops
spreading it doesn't matter if you're individually
00:58:14
vaccinated it matters if we're all vaccinated
because that's the only way we're all going to get
00:58:18
out of the economic slump that is truly damaging
this country right now and so the first step
00:58:23
is create a military style operation figure out
how many feet on the ground you know it's all a
00:58:29
rate based system right how many are you running
per day and then how do you achieve that objective
00:58:33
and over time you have your target rate per day
you would scale it up over 75 days or whatever
00:58:38
your rollout time frame needs to be and you would
say this is how we're going to get there we need
00:58:42
this number of people giving shots this many
minutes apart and then you go figure out where
00:58:46
you're going to give the shots and who's going
to give them get the vaccines to where they need
00:58:50
to get to take over all the gymnasiums and all the
stadiums and all the open sports facilities around
00:58:55
the country people can drive up stand in line get
a freaking shot and 65 year olds get priority for
00:59:01
the first 30 days and then after 30 days your 65
and over crowd loses their priority and it's open
00:59:07
season for who wants to get a shot you stand in
line you get a shot walk in you got 3.8 million
00:59:12
nurses in the united states you go contract 500
000 of them you give them a huge friggin one-time
00:59:18
bonus to come and run this program you run 24-hour
shifts in the gymnasiums around the country
00:59:22
people come in they get shots they get out takes
three minutes if you're feeling weird if you have
00:59:27
risk of allergies you go sit in the other room
you wait for two hours and there's a bunch of
00:59:30
roaming nurses keep an eye on you and you get this
thing done that's it this is not that complicated
00:59:36
and we can leverage the national guard to create
the infrastructure to support these lines and
00:59:40
get these things done we can go recruit there
are plenty of nurses associations you can go
00:59:43
people can work overnight shifts and get
paid triple overtime get extra bonuses for
00:59:47
doing this is a great way to kind of create
an economic stimulus around this we can get
00:59:51
this entire country vaccinated in 90 days and the
way that uh israel is doing it is a great model
00:59:56
you know when they run out describe that yeah so
at the end of the day if uh you know when you open
01:00:02
when you take these things out of deep freeze
you're at risk of them spoiling at that point
01:00:05
because the mrna is very um you know can break and
so it needs to be really cold and then you gotta
01:00:09
give the vaccine very quickly otherwise the mrna
can degrade and it's not effective and you have to
01:00:14
defrost it in order to give it yes you defrost
it then it's sitting there now you got to give
01:00:17
it within a couple hours and if you've got extra
juices complicated what they're doing in israel
01:00:22
is they're looking outside they grab the pizza
guy that's on the bicycle truck on the bicycle
01:00:26
cruising by they're like do you want a shot come
on in they give them a shot they grab the next
01:00:29
guy you do not need to track everyone that gets a
shot you do not need everyone to show their id to
01:00:33
get a shot you do not need to x y and z all the
disincentives that create friction in the system
01:00:38
of rolling out the vaccine need to be completely
eliminated there's no qualifying criteria except
01:00:43
maybe being 65 and over for the first 30 days
and we've prioritized politics um over health and
01:00:49
safety we have made it the case that the teachers
should get the shot first because the teachers
01:00:54
unions created an uproar in california and said
they're not going to go to work unless they
01:00:56
so now the teachers are going to get it and the
essential workers are going to get it which are
01:01:00
people that are working in stores and warehouses
and other stuff and meanwhile the people that can
01:01:04
actually die from this 15 likelihood of death
if you're over 85 are not getting it because
01:01:09
they're not technically an essential worker so
the prioritization where we've tried to create
01:01:12
these artificial politically motivated systems
for defining who gets the vaccine and who doesn't
01:01:17
is absolutely killing us and literally killing us
4 000 people died yesterday in the united states
01:01:22
and so the system has [ __ ] up the incentives
we've and don't bleep that out because that's
01:01:27
exactly what it is the disincentives we've created
are destroying um the rollout um the uh the
01:01:34
governor's getting involved in creating models of
prioritization that are politically motivated are
01:01:38
killing us and and we should centrally plan this
thing ward production act make a [ __ ] ton of the
01:01:42
stuff grab it all get a hundred million doses
distributed into gymnasiums around the country
01:01:47
get the nurses in there get the national guard
it should have been federal i mean that's the
01:01:50
key this should have been effort central planning
is sometimes needed to get [ __ ] done we did it
01:01:54
with the war production board during world war
ii we did it with the manhattan project we there
01:01:59
have been countless examples where we've had to
centralize planning for a massive short-term event
01:02:05
and this is one of those events and this needs to
be um prioritized and organized centrally and it
01:02:11
needs to have the right-minded people on this
not kind of people that are you know political
01:02:15
operatives and not people that are working nine
to five um well the good news is this is this is
01:02:19
a war and we need to go win the [ __ ] war i mean
trump trump has time he said he's at camp david
01:02:25
this weekend so i think he can put some attention
to it saks can i ask a question freeburg so
01:02:32
you know uh what do you think about just
using markets to distribute the vaccine
01:02:36
it's a great idea i think you know you have to
get the incentive such that kind based systems
01:02:40
are the incentive right because the objective here
is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as
01:02:44
possible so take that being your objective and
then figure out look you guys are going to get
01:02:49
a thousand dollars per person vaccinated in the
first 15 days and then you're going to get 500 and
01:02:53
then you know whatever the transition is and then
anyone can sign up to buy doses at a at a cost so
01:02:59
they they have skin in the game right that's
an alternative so let walgreens and cvs buy 50
01:03:04
million doses and then they're incentivized to get
them rolled out as quickly as possible let them do
01:03:07
the work sure um and frankly if a few people have
anaphylactic reactions across the country that's
01:03:13
just the reality in war you have some casualties
this can't be perfect it has to be good enough
01:03:18
to win the war um well by the way when somebody
goes into anaphylactic shock just to clarify that
01:03:24
yeah you get an epi shot it's not fatal if you
have an epipen that's right and so um so you know
01:03:30
when you get a uh when you get a um uh you know
a vaccine if you get one of these vaccines 40 to
01:03:37
60 percent of people are gonna have some sort of
reaction you can have a fever because these are
01:03:41
these produce a ton of proteins in your body
relative to what you would normally you know kind
01:03:45
of experience with it with a dead vaccine there's
a lot of vaccines in your body there's a lot of
01:03:49
protein in your body your body reacts to get rid
of that protein you produce all these antibodies
01:03:52
very quickly so you end up having a fever you end
up having some some allergic response or headaches
01:03:57
or flushing or whatever so everyone's going to
have a lot of people are going to have some sort
01:04:01
of thing so one of the concerns is they want to
have nurses available and they want to have this
01:04:05
feel like a controlled medical environment but
again the reality is we have to sack it up we have
01:04:10
to accept the fact that people are going to be
uncomfortable it is not going to be an easy simple
01:04:14
vaccine like you get the flu vaccine at walgreens
it's going to be a little bit uncomfortable
01:04:18
you may not have five or six nurses surrounding
you and getting all the tlc that americans have
01:04:22
become used to getting every time we you know
brush our freaking teeth and uh and we're gonna
01:04:27
have some people going to anaphylactic shock and
they're gonna get epipen shots and and you know
01:04:31
um and we shouldn't be charging 1500 for epipen
shots that's another you know important point but
01:04:36
i think the market based model could work as well
so hasn't israel done this right i mean israel
01:04:41
they moved the old people to the front of the line
but anybody can get in line if they've got extra
01:04:46
doses that day they just keep sticking people
they keep jabbing people until they run out all
01:04:51
day long till they run out that's right and so
they're probably at 20 of the population by now
01:04:56
yeah so i i'm sure we all agree with everything
you're saying it speaks to an enormous amount of
01:05:02
political incompetence i mean it's really really
just unbelievable why we just don't have smarter
01:05:09
people in charge of these things but zach i
just want to ask you because you know there is
01:05:13
the conservative argument on this which is um you
know states the federal government shouldn't be
01:05:17
doing everything and states need to kind of manage
their populace and manage you know what what goes
01:05:22
on locally you know what is the conservative i'm
not asking you this and i'm not attacking you i'm
01:05:27
just asking like what is the conservative argument
for not doing central planning and central um
01:05:31
organization around vaccine distribution
and delegating it to states and you know
01:05:36
are are there you know do you think that there's
a case against um you know for that that's pretty
01:05:41
strong in within the republican party and
within kind of conservative rights i i i
01:05:46
i think if there's a conservative point
of view on this it would just be that let markets distribute the vaccine they'll do a
much better job i don't you know i think whether
01:05:54
it's federal or state the question is who's
more incompetent and i'm not really sure um
01:06:00
i mean i i think the problem right now is that
when you make vaccine distribution fundamentally
01:06:05
political then the debate becomes about exactly
who's what is your position going to be exactly in
01:06:12
line as opposed to just running the most number of
people through the process as quickly as possible
01:06:17
we're getting ourselves so twisted up in knots
over making sure that the exact right person is
01:06:22
in line that we're having you know vaccine go
to waste yeah just to put that in context 21
01:06:30
million plus doses have been
distributed in the united states 5.9 have made their way into people's arms
in other words there are 15 millions over
01:06:39
75 percent of doses have not gone in people's
arms and in california we have distributed 5.85
01:06:48
of the population's vaccines but we've only put
1.3 in people's arms so we are literally uh 4x
01:06:56
where we should be we're at 25 of where we
should be it is absolutely unbelievable that
01:07:01
this is happening and if the government if the
government's if the government stopped trying
01:07:06
to do anything except you know look it it did
operation warp speed that actually did help get
01:07:11
vaccines done faster but if you just that was just
money to your point sacks all they did was create
01:07:16
a market where they basically pre-bought all the
vaccines whether or not they were going to work
01:07:20
and then funded the market to go and produce them
early that's all that it was so to your point that
01:07:25
operation warp speed for everyone thinking
it's a massive centrally controlled effort
01:07:29
it was a market-based incentive they put it
wasn't the manhattan project is what you're saying
01:07:33
they put up a couple of millions yeah they
put up a couple billion dollars and said to
01:07:37
all these pharma companies go produce the vaccine
and if it works we'll buy them if it doesn't work
01:07:42
throw them away but let's get production going and
that was it can i can i use this as a segue like
01:07:47
i mean what we're seeing is sort of we have
a bunch of elected officials we give them
01:07:54
you know an enormous amount of responsibility
they also get this implied power and then you just
01:08:01
you see sometimes in these acute moments they're
totally derelict then i just want to move off of
01:08:07
vaccines for a second then you get an elected
official who is not acutely incompetent but it
01:08:13
seems broadly grossly and consistently incompetent
and i want to talk about chessa boudin and i i
01:08:19
want to use sax's article which to be very honest
david was probably one of the most incredibly
01:08:27
well-written things well done you have ever
created i don't know jason do we have show notes
01:08:33
can we put it in we'll put it in the show notes
yeah we'll put a link in the show notes um it is
01:08:38
so [ __ ] good what you wrote if everybody folks
who are listening have a chance to read david's
01:08:43
killer d.a the killer d.a um but it basically you
know starts with a profile of this young woman
01:08:49
seemed like an incredible woman that was killed
by this uh drunk driver uh but anyways david do
01:08:54
you want to talk about it yeah i mean so for the
last with let's say for the last couple of months
01:08:59
i've been following the san francisco uh a couple
of san francisco police department accounts on
01:09:04
twitter and i was noticing these extraordinary
tweets which are getting retweeted a lot about
01:09:08
how they kept uh arresting and then having to
let go of all these criminals who are committing
01:09:15
burglaries and other crimes and you could see
the frustration of the police department boiling
01:09:21
off these tweets and you know basically they are
sub-tweeting this new district attorney that we've
01:09:26
had chase of boudin who was elected uh he's been
in office about a year he's elected the end of
01:09:31
2019 and so i started doing a little bit of
research and then we had this horrible new
01:09:37
year's eve killing of this you know uh wonderful
young woman uh hannah abe who came to america from
01:09:44
japan for college and stayed here for work
she was just 27 years old she gets killed by
01:09:49
uh by by a a criminal someone who was
released who was paroled by chase abudeen
01:09:56
uh back in april he had been in jail for armed
robbery uh chase uh released him as part of a plea
01:10:03
bargain and then he was arrested five more times
for stealing cars and other crimes most recently
01:10:10
two weeks ago and the d.a refused to press
charges and that that's the reason he was out
01:10:16
on new year's eve he stole a car and then
there was this hit-and-run where he killed
01:10:20
hannah and another woman and so you know i had
already been noticing this issue and so i started
01:10:26
doing some some research and i have a research
assistant helping me with this is the only way
01:10:31
i could put something like this together
and we went pretty deep and we realized that
01:10:36
the death of of hannah wasn't just an accident
or an act of negligence by this d.a it was part
01:10:42
of an overall philosophy of decarceration that he
has but he his his background is very interesting
01:10:51
he was a child of parents who were in the weather
underground who when he was just a baby committed
01:10:56
armed robbery and were part of the murder which is
david yeah david say the words they were domestic
01:11:02
terrorists yeah they were they were that's right
they were domestic terrorists uh they participated
01:11:06
in an armed robbery against the brinks truck
which is these were domestic terrorists that
01:11:09
were competent when compared to what we
saw yesterday in the capital like these are
01:11:14
highly capable domestic terrorists to be clear
i don't know i don't know how capable they were
01:11:20
their their robbery results in the death of
two police officers and a brinks guard and
01:11:24
they were put in prison his mother spent
20 years in prison she's now released her
01:11:28
his father is still in prison uh for almost 40
40 years and he's described in interviews how
01:11:36
his earliest memories are visiting his parents in
prison and how this shaped his entire political
01:11:40
outlook and he became a public defender which i
think was a pretty good place for him i think if i
01:11:46
were an indigent you know criminal defendant
i would want someone like chase of beauty on
01:11:50
my side and but the problem is he ran for
district attorney and he simply doesn't
01:11:55
believe in prosecuting huge numbers of crimes
uh you know certainly property crimes burglary
01:12:03
shoplifting vandalism and those crimes have
absolutely spiked in the city you know a 45
01:12:11
increase in burglaries in one year 35 percent
increase in stolen cars 30 increase in homicides
01:12:18
crimes are through the roof because he simply
doesn't believe in putting people in jail well you
01:12:25
know can i just say this can i tell you sorry let
me just uh point out there's a there's a little
01:12:29
bit of a history to um to this notion that da's
should change the criminal justice system there's
01:12:35
a ted talk uh by a guy named adam faw sex i don't
know if you've seen it or if any of you guys have
01:12:39
watched it i i i was at the ted conference the
year that he spoke but this guy um basically
01:12:45
thought you know he made the case that it is the
role and the opportunity for the district attorney
01:12:49
for the prosecutor to change the criminal justice
system from the prosecutorial side that you can
01:12:54
um you know kind of demotivate jail and and and
other kind of um you know mechanisms of punishment
01:13:02
uh and and push for uh for a rehabilitation
program as an alternative and that the district
01:13:07
attorneys can take this this roll on of changing
the criminal justice system and it created a
01:13:11
little bit of a mini movement and there was a lot
of attention and follow-up after he gave his ted
01:13:14
talk and i think san francisco in large part
picked up on the uh the momentum coming out of
01:13:20
this and other similar sort of stories about the
d.a can really change the criminal justice system
01:13:25
and chesapeake really kind of capitalized on it
in principle a lot of people are motivated from
01:13:30
a good place when they elected him which is it is
unfortunate a lot of people get trapped in a life
01:13:34
of crime and the fact that they're in and out of
prison is a result of the fact that they're put
01:13:39
into the criminal justice system in the first
place and parole is really harsh on people and
01:13:43
all these other reasons why people's lives are
ruined for simple mistakes and if they get an
01:13:48
opportunity in life they can fix themselves
and they can come out um in a better place
01:13:52
so there is a bit of an origin story it's not just
like san francisco said let's get an anarchist to
01:13:56
brda and destroy the world and kill us all like
i think it came from a good and true place where
01:14:02
this all kind of originated but obviously the
experiment has gone severely awry in san francisco
01:14:06
and his particular methods uh and his particular
actions have certainly caused far more harm than
01:14:12
anyone has seen any good as that's what we pointed
out they've started a recall effort for him too
01:14:17
well i think that i think the danger is not that
you have um an enlightened political philosophy
01:14:24
i think that's actually quite great then that we
can experiment i think the danger is both on the
01:14:28
left and on the right where people cathartically
deal with childhood trauma through their job
01:14:34
and you know i don't know what jessa boudin has
gone through and i feel very bad that he had an
01:14:38
incredibly hard life um or complicated or maybe
not i don't even know but i wouldn't want to know
01:14:46
that he's trying to deal with his own experiences
through his job because that's not his job meaning
01:14:54
you know you don't want an activist d.a i think
you want a d.a that's enforcing the laws and what
01:15:00
you do want is you want to elect politicians
who change the laws to reflect our values
01:15:05
yeah that would be a better through line
i think and and really i mean if you look
01:15:09
at what's happening in san francisco i think
we've conflated income inequality which people
01:15:16
in san francisco are very tuned into with
essentially junkies people who are addicted to
01:15:23
incredibly hardcore drugs that are very hard
to get off of and we've had more deaths from
01:15:29
overdoses of fentanyl than we've had
from kovid by a magnitude of four or five i mean it is bedlam on the streets
of san francisco and if you don't enforce
01:15:41
a basic rule of law what happens is the price of
drugs gets cheaper more available more people try
01:15:48
them more people get addicted and then more people
come from other places because they know you have
01:15:52
the lowest price on drugs and the price of drugs
is inversely correlated with prosecution of
01:15:58
drug crimes so prosecution of crime so this is
why san francisco is spiraling and most drugs are
01:16:04
purchased from criminal funds so you know criminal
activity goes up to fund the drug purchasing so
01:16:08
that that's the vicious cycle that's driving
san francisco and there's a recall going on and
01:16:14
then in related news gavin newsom is now up to a
million signatures in his recall which i think is
01:16:22
two-thirds of the way there yeah they have
until mid or late february they're going to
01:16:27
get the votes and i think i think the question you
know friedrich and i talked about this just on a
01:16:33
phone call he and i caught up a couple days ago i
think it is time guys for us to find an incredibly
01:16:40
centrist thoughtful candidate and put them into
the recall race um against uh newsome burke had
01:16:47
the best idea which was kim kardashian which i
think is incredible because she is very smart
01:16:52
she's very likable she's got enormous distribution
she's like uh she's about to become a lawyer you
01:16:57
know that'll be the amazing the best platform for
kardashian to run for president look it's pretty
01:17:02
clear you know recognition influence fame is what
gets people elected you know not the best policy
01:17:08
and not the greatest experience from jesse ventura
to arnold schwarzenegger to donald trump robert
01:17:14
ronald reagan i mean these are celebrities who i
would argue in the case of jesse ventura arnold
01:17:19
schwarzenegger or maybe even donald trump as well
their celebrity was kind of you know it had hit
01:17:24
it's it's it's media-driven apex and and this was
a second act and you know perhaps someone like
01:17:30
that is a great fit here uh kim kardashian really
fits the bill but um uh you know i that's just a
01:17:38
shot in the dark but i do think someone like that
needs to go up because if you put politician up
01:17:41
again it's another one of these rolling events and
for uh you know for the populist to kind of really
01:17:46
find appeal it has to be a recognized person
you know broadly recognized and liked person
01:17:54
um governorjason.com i'm not ready to
run for political office i'm 50 and when i'm 60 i would consider it actually but not
right now i wonder what i've got to hop to i think
01:18:08
we all got to hop but i was going to say one
thing which is the beginning of today's podcast
01:18:12
was probably the punchiest it's ever been and i
think it just speaks to the fact that there was so
01:18:18
the bar was so high for trump to
have done something that would have actually gotten us to actually
argue and interrupt each other
01:18:25
you know because we've been so incredibly
like loving and protective of each other
01:18:30
for four years on this topic but it literally
took an armed insurrection for us to finalize
01:18:39
the these well i mean i think it's good for people
to see sacks maybe and i or chamoth and sax or
01:18:48
whoever disagree on some of these cases or friberg
you know doesn't believe in prosecuting trump i
01:18:53
think we actually had a split ticket there where
saxon freeberg felt like we shouldn't prosecute
01:18:57
trump and chamoth and i were in the prosecute
trump one but i think we're all struggling with
01:19:02
these issues all americans are struggling with
these issues of how do you deal with a black swan
01:19:06
event i think that's what's so unique about trump
is and i think david you could speak to this is i
01:19:11
don't think the system was designed for his level
of crazy right like our system is based on norms
01:19:19
and traditions and trust just like venture
investing is and we see this in venture investing
01:19:24
some founder goes off the jumps the fence and
all of a sudden you know yeah i mean we still
01:19:30
i would say our system performed pretty well in
terms of being stress tested and well look we
01:19:35
still got two more weeks you know i think we're
all kind of we're all kind of white knuckling it
01:19:39
right now yeah yeah hopefully nothing else happens
but but look if if trump's goal was a coup you
01:19:48
know i think it's a strong word but if it like
it totally failed i mean he didn't come close to
01:19:53
no uh to succeeding in a coup um the opposite in
fact the opposite he again we talked about how
01:20:00
i think his he destroyed his popularity over the
last two months he he impacted his earnings by
01:20:06
negative two billion dollars yeah so uh but
but but you know but to this point about us
01:20:12
agreeing or disagreeing you know i saw
a whole bunch of uh fans of the pod like at mentioning me saying i wonder what
saks is gonna say about this i don't know
01:20:20
what like yeah and i'm kind of like like what do
they think i'm gonna say like they think i'm gonna
01:20:25
be supportive of this i mean you know like i i
i think somehow you jason you've programmed the
01:20:31
viewers that i like i'm somehow like the the
trump the trump guy uh you know because you're
01:20:37
always trolling me as the trump supporter i mean
i i would believe that russia was a hoax and that
01:20:43
would have been treated the same climbing
up those steps we all know that's not true
01:20:48
some of these are self-inflicted wounds of
your own gonna take some ownership there
01:20:52
boys boys i gotta hop okay i love you very
much happy new year happy new year our best
01:20:57
i will say one thing before we meet next time i
guarantee you some highly unexpected and highly
01:21:03
impactful thing will occur please know can we
get back to talking about spax or the bachelor
01:21:11
we didn't even even talk about uh my spac today
oh yeah yeah anyway okay give it a plug go ahead
01:21:16
and snap no i mean just explain to people he
doesn't need to plug it double today it's insane
01:21:20
all right we'll explain why poe ipoe is merging
with sofi um it's an incredible company led by
01:21:26
an incredible ceo anthony noto um you can read a
little one pager on my website but um anyways guys
01:21:33
more importantly to all the listeners out there
happy new year to all of you guys let's make 2021
01:21:38
kick ass yep um i love you guys you i miss
you i'll see you guys soon play poker soon
01:21:43
oh look there's somebody yeah i got it
interrupted i got to go all right we'll see you all i got introduced next time check us
out young spielberg take us out young spielberg
01:22:09
to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it we should all just get a room and just have one
big huge orgy because they're all just useless
01:22:35
it's like it's like sexual tension that they just we need to get back i'm going on