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all right everybody Welcome to episode 149 of the Allin podcast with me again David saaks and chamat poopa David
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freeberg couldn't make it this week we're going to carry on without him and it's a difficult week so just a quick
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opening statement from me about this episode like all of you we're devastated by the terrorist attacks that occurred
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in Israel on Saturday and I just want to start the discussion here with two important housekeeping notes first uh
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this is obviously a very Dynamic situation and we're dealing with the fog of War quite literally so we're going to
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do our best to make sense of what's happening but things will change between when we tape this episode on Thursday
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and you choose to listen to it in all likelihood at some point over the weekend and second there are going to be
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some folks out there who claim quite correctly that we are not the experts on this topic and thus we shouldn't chime
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in with our opinions on the other side the all-in community has told me explicitly they want to hear us discuss
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uh what happened and they want a sense of normaly as one loyal listener explained to me last night at a dinner
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the fact that the four of you can debate hard topics listen to each other and in
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the end have a deeper understanding of the world gives me hope every week that's why I listen so uh we'll do what
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we do here every week we'll have the hard discussion we'll listen to each other deeply hopefully and we'll try to
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understand the world and each other just a little bit more and that's worth it at
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least to me and apparently many of you so with those two quick disclaimers gentlemen anything you want to say up
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front before I recap where we are 5 days into this senseless brutality I think that was a pretty good intro Jason I
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mean you're right we're taping on Thursday late morning Pacific Time by the time this drops it'll be Friday and
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so a lot could have happened also it's true that the Middle East in general and this topic in particular is hugely
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complicated we will be accused of not being experts but at the same time the audience seems to appreciate our
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opinions as consumers of information who are trying to make sense to the world yeah so that's all we can really do
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right and conversations I think are how we make progress any any thoughts before
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we get started here and I'll recap what's occurred toat any any um opening thoughts before we get into the details
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here on behalf of somebody who worked in Israel have a lot of friends there spent a lot of time there
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it's really just a terrible devastating situation I've really tried to stay off of social media just because
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it's allowed me to kind of think a little bit more logically it's fast and furious right
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now I think on X and it's just a lot of people trying to make sure that their version of the
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truth is Amplified over every other version of the truth which I think is like a is a point in the cycle where you
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you just have to almost unplug from The Matrix a little bit and find a few places that seem to be just
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telling things in an even-handed way which I also find on X and then just kind of reconstruct what happened why it
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happened what do we do from here I don't know I don't I I have a lot of thoughts
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on a lot of the peripheral issues but the core issue is just I'm just stunned that this happened I don't I don't even
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know how this is possible that this happen like jamath I'm not trying to get too weighed in too deeply into the tweet
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but I did notice you by the way have stopped tweeting you've done a couple of retweets but youve paused this week a
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lot of your tweeting yeah I mean I think that important time to listen and learn and
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process what's going on right this is not a great time to be having hot takes I have posted a few things first of all
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Jason you've made the analogy to to 911 being in in New York right now I think that that is the comparison that's been
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made is that this is Israel's 911 yeah I think that's a justifiable comp comparison in in two
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respects one is this was a terrorist attack it was an atrocity this was a a massacre of of civilians even if you're
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somebody who believes in the Palestinian cause you should be able to recognize that these were war crimes yeah the
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videos are coming out the stories are coming out in particular the rounding up and Slaughter of
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260 attendees at a music festival was really Beyond The Pale they're clearing some of these uh farming villages and so
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forth and finding the bodies you know families basically killed anyway we don't need to repeat all all the details
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here but um but this was I think an attack on civilians that is reminiscent of of 911 and and um has
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affected the Israeli people in a similar way I think the other analogy to 911 that's worth discussing is the reaction
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to this or what what Israel's going to do and what the reaction is by us political figures you heard people like
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Nikki Haley basically saying to to nah who finished them it wasn't exactly clear whether she was just talking about
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Hamas or the whole Gaza Strip or maybe Iran and then if there was any ambiguity about that you just had Lindsey Graham
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come out and say level the place meaning referring to all of Gaza yeah it's crazy
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I'm very concerned that one of the purposes here of of the terrorists was provoke an overreaction like the US uh
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engaged in after 911 remember we were viciously attacked we were wounded we then lashed out and plunged into two
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decades of wars in the Middle East what was the result of that we lost thousands
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of lives of our own soldiers we spent trillions of our treasure millions of people on the other side died yeah and
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we at the end of the day we only changed the geopolitical map of the Middle East
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in ways that were ultimately unfavorable for us Iran became a more powerful country the
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region became destabilized and we squandered uh the sympathy that the United States had and
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its moral position that we had after 911 in the eyes of much of the world so the
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US I think fell for the Trap that I think Bin Laden laid which was to provoke us into an overreaction I think
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that is one of the goals of terrorists is to create such an outrage such a provocation that they will bait the
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other side into an overreaction I'm quite concerned that could happen here I think that our us leaders should be as
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friends of Israel should be counseling a cool-headed response I think braying for war with
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Iran or suggesting that the entire Gaza Strip should be level would be doing exactly the wrong thing it would ignite
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the Arab Street the Middle East perhaps that was the goal here and we're trying to figure
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out what is the goal of this attack that was planned for years and perhaps that was the goal is to try to take all the
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hard for it peace and progress that has been made in that uh process over the over the last couple years Abraham
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Accords and and you know stability and then just you know really create a fullscale escalation I think that's
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right I mean look I think Israel is within its rights to dismantle and Destroy Hamas Hamas is an organization
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that in its Charter has said they're committed to the destruction of Israel they've now committed this atrocity
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again it was if they had just limited their attack on uniformed Israeli officers and Military I think that would
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be one thing but they went much further than that the vast majority of the casualties here are civilians who were
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murdered in atrocious ways so I think they're a terrorist organization and Israel is well within its rights to
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destroy them however the question is how you do that yeah like a lot of terrorist
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organizations Hamas can kind of Melt Away into the population of Gaza they've apparently have these elaborate tunnel
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networks they've got bunkers so it's not clear that you can destroy them from the
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sky through uh bombing those kinds of bombs would lead to a lot of Civilian casualties which will inflame the
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situation and turn a world opinion against Israel at the same time if they go in with ground forces that seems like
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a really tough situation as well because Hamas is waiting for them and they they
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will have to fight a Guerilla war in a very tight packed dense urban area where Hamas
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likely has anti-tank weapons weapons that we've seen that have been so effective against armored vehicles in
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Ukraine again if the uh fighting gets too hot they can disappear into these tunnel networks there's going to be IEDs
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everywhere it's going to be a very very tough fight for the Israelis so I think they're in an incredibly tough spot I'm
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not quite sure what the right reaction is for them but I do think that if the reaction is this uh let's call it
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the Lindsey Graham level the place reaction I think that could set off a much wider Regional war or even a World
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War and that is not something that's ultimately going to help Israel and I hope that our leaders are wise enough to
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be counseling against that I get the sense that they're not going to uh go that hard and if you look at the
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American response to 911 you know going into Afghanistan and dismantling al- Qaeda a noble Mission and we didn't have
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any terrorist attacks on America or very we thred most terrorist attacks there were attempts actually and our
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intelligence was very strong over the last couple of decades and we haven't had another one of those but you're
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right going into Iraq and then you know what what was the last decade about being in Afghanistan we went into Iraq
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we went into Syria we went into Libya we stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years it should have been a quick surgical strike
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to take out al- Qaeda and their Taliban hosts and then we should have gotten out
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and even that is incredibly difficult as a as you're pointing out here you know Hamas can just fade away into the Gaza
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Strip and into into Palestine and you know who knows um shamat I guess where we're at right now is trying to make
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sense of why this happened and what the next couple of weeks might look like right and so your
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thoughts I think Israel has every right to defend itself and they should eradicate Hamas this is not like
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we woke up and found out that they were a terrorist organization yesterday or on
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Sunday we've known this for years they've been labeled as such people have been monitoring their money flows for
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years we know where they were funded but the thing to keep in mind is that those 30,000 Hamas
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terrorists have also been keeping 2.2 Palestinians hostage for the last 20 years and of the 2.2 million
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Palestinians in Gaza half are kids and so David's right the thing thing to keep in mind
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is as barbaric as what happened to the Israelis were Israel in its actions could cause tremendous civilian
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casualties which will just further inflame the ability to find a long-term peace in the Middle East that's really
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tragic and that's probably part of hamas's kind of sadistic calculus which is they they probably expected this kind
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of a reaction and they probably don't Care at the end of the day so it's important to separate
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Palestinians from Hamas but I understand and I know where Israel is coming from because we fa the same reaction after
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911 the question that I have is Israel is the most sophisticated military and intelligence
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organization in the world and the reason is because when everybody talks about priorities Israel only really has one
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priority which is to safeguard the Israeli people yeah survive and they've been essentially in a conflict Zone with
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this Sword of Damocles since the founding of Israel so there are three organizations
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that really have to figure out what happened here right there's mad which is the foreign intelligence service of
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Israel there shinb which is the domestic security apparatus and then there's Aman
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which is the military intelligence group and it's like how did this happen because this should have been priority 1
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two three and four right and it has always been for them other countries the safeguarding of their people is not
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necessarily always number one right and then things happen and then you rep prioritize in many ways that's what
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happened in 911 I guess at some level in America I mean we had all the signal before that and when we did the 911
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Commission and we found out they were going to flight school here you know and and it was pretty
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clear that it was an intelligence failure for America yeah those are the two big thoughts that I have which is
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there's just going to be so many civilian casualties what will that do to actually I think that that has a huge
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negative impact on the long-term chances of Peace because then radicals will use
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that information to further or to attempt to radicalize the next generation of Palestinians or other
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Arabs or whatever and so I worry that the progress that was made in the Abraham Accords all the
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[Music] normalization goes off the rails and that's tragic because most of these
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people the overwhelming majority of all people everywhere they just want peace they just want to live a decent life
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take care of their family raise their kids so that's really tragic but then the other the other part of my mind is
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like how could this have fallen through the cracks and and why were the most sophisticated int Ence organizations
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caught flat footed here yeah there's going to be a a lot of uh information that will come out over time and lessons
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and by the way the reason why that second piece is important is not to point the finger at anybody but it's to
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deescalate because of what sack said earlier which is that when people who can articulately gird for war are given
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the bully pulpit and you see American politicians now braying and ging for War I don't think they fully recognize
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the consequences of that they're not doing a full accounting of what America has lived through in the last quarter
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century and now to induce other countries to try to do the same I think is so dangerous and so yeah
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if we can understand where these cracks are at least we can deescalate those specific individuals attempts to
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escalate and if we don't do that we're going to find ourselves in a really complicated war and I don't think
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anybody wants that nobody wins nobody wins yeah I mean at at this point really the returning of the hostages seems to
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be the most important you know high order mission that has to occur after that clearly
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dismantling Hamas and this Terra apparatus but you know having started to spend some time you know in the region
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and talking to people over there and again I'm no expert but I have been talking to people who've been working on
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this you know got people who've been working on trying to create peace in the region for their entire lives and this
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is definitely a setback but I'm an optimist and I actually think that in some ways this is going to create a
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climate where people are going to really fight to try to uh resolve this situation or at least contain the
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situation two- State solusion the Abraham Accords I think they're this is going to renew
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people's commitment to peace in the region and I I know many many of the countries over there are really a Gass
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at what happened and they've been working really hard to try to normalize relations there and create peace and
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prosperity and commerce and you know uh between uh the different countries in the region so this is just heartbreaking
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uh for the loss of human life and how that occurred and then it's also heartbreaking for the peace process and
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all this progress that's been made recently and so I think it's you know the there's no Silver Lining here but I
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I do think this will uh maybe the good people of the world will recommit to trying
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to resolve this issue and create peace in the region that's my hope I know it's simplistic and uh again no expert but
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that's my hope and I've been spending time over there and learning a lot more about the region these These are
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multigenerational issues that are going to take generations to figure out um and
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it's it's two steps forward one step back obviously uh but man for the politicians and the the people
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negotiating this piece and they work re tiously on this for their whole lives you know keep at it I mean that's all we
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can do right I mean Jason I think disrupting the process that was happening towards normalization of
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relations between Israel and Arab states specifically the gulf monarchies I think
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was one of the objectives here yeah so I mean Israel's contention for a long time
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is they want to negotiate peace they they want to negotiate but they don't have a partner to negotiate with whether
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you believe that or not that was that was their position and with the Abraham Accords we saw that they started to be
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able to negotiate again normalization with three Gulf Arab states without involving the Palestinians and it looked
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like that issue was being put to one side and that they were kind of going around it and the idea being look if if
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you won't negotiate with us then we'll figure out a way to move forward without you the big news that you know been
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going on in the last few months is that supposedly Israel and Saudi Arabia were close
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to working out some sort of normalization and I think that process has been put on hold until I think this
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has been dealt with and so I think one of the takeaways here is the idea that you're going to be able to get to Middle
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East peace without resolving this Palestinian question I think this is basically a a return to to the reality
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that that issue is simply going to have to be dealt with I don't think we're going to get to a larger deal in the
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Middle East we're not going toble to resolve all these problems until this long festering problem of of the
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treatment of the Palestinians is is dealt with I think you're right that the two-state solution is the only
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possible solution that makes sense I mean what's the alternative a one-state solution means that either it's run by
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the Israelis but presiding over hostile Palestinian minority that may eventually one day be the majority and
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you're forced into some sort of aparti State or the Palestinians are running that one party State and it means that
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the Jews have been pushed into the sea so neither one of those Solutions looks very good so that leaves you with a
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two-state solution however hard however impossible it seems to negotiate that it's the only option yeah it's the only
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option and it's a real opportunity I think the my hope is that instead of pushing Saudi away this actually pulls
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Saudi closer and says okay this is a chance to really normalize the global perception of the
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Middle East because if there can be a way for Israel and Saudi to build a bridge here I have a lot of hope that
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there can be a lot of stability and a lot of the good work I mean again like man as
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a Democrat who has been left homeless who is now now definitely in the center but probably leaning increasingly right
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I left yet again with an appreciation despite the messenger of the message of the Trump administration
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because what those guys did was pretty incredible in hindsight these Abraham Accords the Accords with
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Israel and the GCC the almost Accord between Israel and Saudi to really be able to like find a
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longlasting peace is just a real example for the world and those guys did a lot of really good work
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and it's it's a miracle actually when you when you look at it what they did you know despite the fact listen I'm no
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fan of trump and I am too homeless this is where party but if you want to objectively look at what they did it was
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good work it was great you have to and in fact this is a moment where you have to start to rewrite like is your not you
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Jason but I'm just saying collectively is one Trump derangement syndrome causing more damage than anything that
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Trump could have actually done and I think the answer is yes because like it's now causing us to not
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see that good work and then Embrace and extended so much of the work that happened in that
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Administration turns out to have been right and that's what's so frustrating for me the work on the border wall we
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didn't like the messenger so we killed the message turned out it was right issuing long-term debt to refinance when
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rates were at zero we didn't like the messenger so we killed the message a structural piece in the Middle
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East we didn't like the messenger so we killed the message when are we going to stop shooting ourselves in the foot and
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when are we going to actually see and take the time to look past who is saying things and actually listen to them word
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for word I'll give you an example I started to tweet Three Links a day over the past 3 days and the only reason I
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did that was I thought things were so hyper contentious and Hyper partisan that I just wanted to show a few sides
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right and one day I found a couple links two of which one was from Jonathan greenblat of the ADL who I thought had a
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very powerful message and one was from Mike Flynn and his message was also actually
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pretty powerful if you just read it and if you took the names off all the content was so valuable both points of
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view but the minute it goes into the world people immediately judge and they kill the message because of the
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messenger and this is exactly a moment where you have an opportunity to just stop doing that because the stakes are
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so high it's infuriating actually quite honestly it's infuriating to see it we had this last week on the show when we
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were talking about reducing spending the Matt Gates is not the perfect messenger
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but his message was the message we've been talking about which is hey we have to control spending so you I can
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understand people not liking Mett Gates there's a lot of things to not like about I I understand people not liking
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Trump and get over it well and then you know it's it's bizarre that his son-in-law went to do all this work but
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yet he did it and it had success that's another example it's weird your son-in-law to do it but I listen to the
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podcast you know what it's not weird because at the end if you listen to this podcast the most important thing that is
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resoundingly obvious about Jared Kushner is that he is incredibly thoughtful and
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Incredibly competent and right why did we have to spend years being fed all of these
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stupid lies because one can judge for oneself but Jared Kushner is thoughtful he's smart and I thought to myself I was
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fed all these lies for years about how this guy was like moping around in the shadows and this and that and was all
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not true well no when I say it's it's non-traditional if you sent you know any presidents son-in-law daughter-in-law
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whatever child to go to the Middle East on its surface this seems insane but in fact he they did good work and so it's
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not traditional it's not what you would expect he's thoughtful and competent that's what I thought after I that's
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what I got out of it as well is that he's thoughtful and competent yeah yeah he brought some fresh ideas just so the
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audience is clear what we're talking about is he just did an interview with Lex Freedman and the first hour was on
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what's happening with Israel and Hamas must must watch I think I thought it was excellent too excellent excellent it was
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excellent he did just in terms of having fresh eyes he did things like focus groups he's like what does what does the
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Arab Street think about various topics and he actually did focus groups in various countries to find out so I mean
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I think kusher made a number of really interesting points showing how difficult it's going to be to get to a two-state
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solution But first you have to set up what does the the Palestinian side say and what they say is look Gaza is
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effectively an open air prison you've got over two million people packed into this very tight area there's something
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like 50% unemployment it's impoverished the conditions are deplorable and they don't have their own State they don't
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have rights and it's been like this for a long time so that's sort of the the basic Pro Palestinian argument kushner's
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response to that was well yeah but you know Israel left in 2006 it left Hamas in control gave them the keys effect ly
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the reason why there's such high unemployment is because Hamas is corrupt and doesn't enforce property rights and
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they scare away all the investment nobody wants to invest there yeah and Israel did give work permits so people
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could leave Gaza to go to work and look what happened I mean when they try to open up the walls you have a massacre so
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these are the points that he made look I think both sides of this have legitimate
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arguments and points to make I think that the conditions of the Palestinians in Gaza is deplorable and you have to
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feel for the civilians who live there of course but then you know the the Israelis have a right to live without
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fear the fear that their security is in Jeopardy and that this territory can be the launching pad for terrorist attacks
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on their soil yeah so it's going to be an extremely difficult thing I think to to reconcile this but you know K Kushner
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made a couple other interesting points he said listen the Gaza part of this is not that hard because the boundaries the
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ter lines are not in dispute there's no religious areas that are in dispute for example you don't have the status of the
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Temple Mount or you know East Jerusalem and there's an economic plan to revitalize Gaza Strip so you really just
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need a negotiating partner for the Israelis to to figure that out and of course now the problem is who do you
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negotiate with I mean hamus is is a terrorist organization that is dedicated to the destruction of Israel so it's
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really a tragic situation you you look at at it and you're like this should be easy to work out but it's not it's a
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relatively small area it's a relatively small number of people it's it's it's two million people we we should be able
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to figure out the rest of the Free World how to at least have a path towards this
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and the first step is getting rid of Hamas right like there's no choice but they have to
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go Jason I mean look if if there was a if there was a button that Israel could push to eliminate every member of Hamas
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yeah sure they'd be within the rights to to push that the problem is that Hamas is now
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deeply yeah embedded in a civilian population over over two million that's densely packed how do you root them out
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it's going to take decades it's going to take decades and they're basically supported by that population as far as
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we can tell yeah and you know again if you if you take measures that are perceived as too drastic by the rest of
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the world then you will inflame the opinion of other countries you'll turn it against
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Israel so again it's a really tough situation but I think that the US should not only affirm its support for Israel
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it should only denounce the atrocity that happened on 107 but I think it needs to reiterate the Biden
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Administration does its support for a two-state solution I think that the US has to be on record that what's in
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everybody's long-term interest including Israel is ultimately a two-state solution and the Palestinians are
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eventually going to have to have their own State there's simply no way around that right yeah and the the Free World I
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think is in the process of getting engaged in making this happen because it's in everybody's interest this can't
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keep going on um and so hopefully this again I don't want to say Silver Lining but I I hope that this the good that
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comes out of this is that the world focuses on resolving this conflict or were you surprised at all Jason by the
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amount of people that seem to be almost justifying that was shocking to me I mean I I the the fact that people could
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make any kind of equivalence between terrorist activity and the the level of brutality I I can't even describe it
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because it'll trigger my PTSD which I I had after 911 and it's still affects me I'm sitting here not far
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from ground zero and you know for people you know educated people on College's campuses or just otherwise to blame the
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Israelis for the murder of children for people being and then justifying rape and torture kidnapping I mean there is
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no justification and there is no equivalency there's no equivalency here and and this is one of the big problems
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and you know these Dopey kids on Harvard's campus or whatever they have never experienced evil suffering we can
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we literally just dismiss these idiots because these are kids who have never fa I don't think you can I think one of the
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things that was shocking to me was the level of basically either subtle or latent
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anti-Semitism unconscious yeah subtle whatever that it unlocked and I was also shocked it just Sak has
00:30:15
used this word before but it's true but our leading educational institutions have really become woke madrasas they
00:30:22
are inculcating kids with just some virent poison I think the reaction is always to go after to support the
00:30:29
underdog I think in this group of people that that is a that is an idiotic simplification that the smartest schools
00:30:36
in the world educating the smartest kids in the world should be capable that's how they think though it
00:30:42
can't be that not my feeling on I think that there's it's half anti-Semitism and
00:30:47
it's half they just think who's the underdog I'm taking that side yeah I think it's that simple is in the woke
00:30:53
mindset yeah well look I think it was disgusting and disturb iring to see these organizations and these Elite
00:31:01
institutions being unable to denounce hamas's terrorist attack and the atrocity that took place or turning out
00:31:08
in the streets to celebrate what happened and we saw a lot of that too look even if you support the Palestinian
00:31:15
cause even if you believe that they've been mistreated even if you think that their land has been occupi they deserve
00:31:22
their own State even if you believe that war against the state of Israel is Justified on that basis these were still
00:31:31
war crimes these were Beyond The Pale of War again Hamas did not just attack some
00:31:39
military installations on the border and kill soldiers or capture Soldiers the vast majority of the people who were
00:31:46
killed were civilians and there was no conceivable military purpose in for example paragliding into a music
00:31:53
festival a festival for Peace by the way and then rounding and slaughtering the concert goers there was no conceivable
00:32:00
military justification for going into these kotzas or farming communities you know
00:32:07
families it's deranged it's deranged it's deranged so it's deranged it's terrorism and the fact that they can't
00:32:13
frame it as terrorism is insane but think about what happened okay I just want to frame the order of events okay
00:32:18
107 happens and I think within 36 hours or less let's take Harvard as an example
00:32:26
okay the the P of the W madrasas they had all these student organizations immediately come out
00:32:32
trying to justify this thing without any information right because in the first 36 hours obviously not nearly as much
00:32:39
information was available as to exactly what happened than it's been available now as an example I should read the
00:32:45
statement just so people have Clarity here joint joint statement by Harvard Palestine Palestine solidarity groups on
00:32:52
the situation in Palestine we the undersigned student organizations hold Israeli the Israeli
00:32:59
regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence today's events did not occur in a vacuum for the last two
00:33:05
decades millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an open air
00:33:09
prison Israeli officials promised to quote open the gates of hell and the massacres in Gaza have already commenced
00:33:16
Palestine Palestinians in Gaza have no shelters or for refuge and nowhere to escape in the coming days palestin
00:33:24
Palestinians will be forced to Bear the full brunt of Israel's violence this is derang sociopathic my point is you talk
00:33:30
you have like 15 or 20 of these student organizations of all ilks okay so it's not just Pro Palestinian groups it was
00:33:38
like the Harvard siks Association okay like siks in South Asia are the most peaceloving people in the world they're
00:33:45
not pro-war of any kind whatsoever or Pro terrorism so all these people write this thing which blames Israel okay then
00:33:54
the school is totally silent the school doesn't say anything they neither they neither completely disavow that
00:34:02
statement nor do they come out with a more reasonable statement all these ex faculty and ex individuals Larry Summers
00:34:09
sort of leading say this is outrageous have an opinion they come out with something that's milk toast in middle of
00:34:15
the road then they get sadly rejected by everybody yet again then the administration comes out and gives a
00:34:21
cleaned upb version that tries to allay everybody's anger CU that the first statement I think basically essentially
00:34:27
pissed off everybody on both sides then a bunch of alums who've already graduated or who've given money say
00:34:34
these student organizations are outrageous we will not hire anybody who's part of this because their
00:34:42
views are so immoral that we would never want these people part of our organization and so here it
00:34:49
isman just so we people have this bill Amman said I have been asked by a number of CEOs if Harvard would release a list
00:34:56
of the members of each of the Harvard organizations that have issued the letter assigning Soul responsibly for
00:35:00
hamas's heinous acts to Israel so as to ensure that none of us inadvertently hire any of their members in other words
00:35:07
you must own your words which is an important lesson for so then what happens is individual students actually
00:35:15
have to come out who are part of these associations that were signatories to the first release had to disavow the
00:35:21
statement and said actually I'm just an Indian student at Harvard Law School there's Nick maybe you can find this
00:35:28
tweet of this like Indian woman from Colorado of Indian Heritage and she's like you just get Auto recruited into
00:35:34
these organizations when you join Harvard so I'm like well wait a minute this is a
00:35:40
place that's supposed to be for like modern Free Speech Progressive thinking and instead what happens is based on
00:35:45
your skin color you get autod drafted into some Association then you autosign any press release written by some person
00:35:52
that you don't even see or approve what is going on at these places and these are the places that parents and kids are
00:35:59
tripping over themselves trying to get into kids will kill themselves if they don't get into and these are the worst
00:36:06
institutions in America because back to Jason what we talked about earlier which
00:36:10
is we need people who can think from first principles those kids are not it and those institutions are not making
00:36:16
them and so if we want to have a point in time where when things like this happen we can really figure out what
00:36:23
happened in the past that was right and what can we do in the future it's not this and it's not this kind of thinking
00:36:29
and if you're going to a school Harvard Cornell upen Stanford that are spitting out these
00:36:36
kids I think it's a real shame your spot on I mean how Sachs could there any be any question about the difference
00:36:44
between military terrorists you know with machine guns gunning down people dancing
00:36:52
peacefully at a music festival at Sunrise and then make some equivalency there it and you cannot actually
00:37:00
ascertain for yourself that is a terrorist act if you can't from very basically opening your eyes and seeing
00:37:07
what occurred and you know thank God in some ways for for X not being censored because you can actually see these
00:37:13
things and I know it's very difficult for people to watch I don't have any judgment on people who don't want to
00:37:17
watch it but I think when the world sees these videos and you going to write this
00:37:23
letter you should very quickly be able to discern milit AR terrorist fighters from hippie kids
00:37:33
dancing at a music festival it's it's plain as day there's there's nothing there's nothing to confuse you here this
00:37:40
is the most easy test you you have to be brainwashed to see something other than
00:37:45
that these schools are woke madrassas yeah so a couple of points on that so if you look at their statement I think it's
00:37:52
it's uh appropriate and fine to express concern about the people the civilians living in Gaza and what the Israeli
00:37:59
response might entail I think it is fine and and good to do that both for humanitarian reasons
00:38:07
and for self-interested reasons if you're a supporter of Israel because this could all spiral out of control
00:38:13
however these people completely lit their credibility on fire from the first paragraph by saying that Israel was
00:38:21
entirely responsible for what happened and not having one word of condemnation for the atrocities that had just been
00:38:28
committed they cannot even see the war crimes that have occurred yeah they don't even mention
00:38:35
Hamas they don't even mention the actual people that perpetrated the crime right
00:38:39
so the question is why you know what is it about their idiology that blinds them
00:38:44
to this atrocious Massacre and and I think it is this I do think it has to do with this this woke mindset the the woke
00:38:53
ideology is a form of cultural Marxism in which which people are divided up into oppressor and oppressed groups so
00:39:01
in Marx's original teaching you had the proletarian and the bisi basically the oppress and the
00:39:07
oppressor this kind of went through this cultural identity filter with woke where
00:39:13
again people are divided up into identity groups and so you've got men versus women white versus black and
00:39:19
brown you've got straight versus gay and so on down the line and the the idea is
00:39:26
that there's a power structure and if you are in one of these groups and you are by
00:39:31
definition oppressed and if you are in one of the uh oppressor groups then by definition you are guilty in a
00:39:40
collective way you you're suffering from by default the people who are oppressed
00:39:45
are the Righteous ones yeah right but I think that what you see is that when you
00:39:51
divide up the world this way first of all is this not a very accurate way of looking at the world I mean there are
00:39:56
lots of minority groups in the United States that have done great so for example there's a book written recently
00:40:02
about asian-americans in the United States called the inconvenient minority why is it inconvenient because
00:40:08
asian-americans have done spectacularly well they get into Elite colleges and institutions at higher rates than than
00:40:15
whites do which is why they're the primary group that's discriminated against by affirmative action before it
00:40:20
was overturned by the Supreme Court but the reason why the author called them the inconvenient minority is because the
00:40:26
their success in America refutes a lot of this sort of simplistic woke delineation between if you're a minority
00:40:33
group you're oppressed and if you're you know in this white group you're the oppressor I think Jews have fallen into
00:40:41
a similar type of categorization which is they're An Inconvenient minority they've been historically very
00:40:46
successful in America despite their being existence of of anti-Semitism and I think that the woke ideology has
00:40:55
reacted to this by saying no you know Jews are not really an ethnic group they're just whites and so that's been
00:41:01
the response right is well let's just put them in the oppressor group so we don't need to explain away their success
00:41:07
one of the problems with that is that you have to ignore the existence of anti-Semitism and so they do they just
00:41:13
pretend like it doesn't exist so here you have a situation where all of these things are in play they've already
00:41:19
predefined the Palestinians as being an oppressed people and and look and I think in many ways they are but they are
00:41:26
not incorrect yeah not incorrect but they've defined it in in racial terms really right right and they've defined
00:41:32
the Israelis and and Jews really more generally as being part of an impressor group and so everything fits into that
00:41:39
larger narrative and so when members of one of these woke oppressed groups commits an injustice they just can't see
00:41:48
it I mean their version of social justice is always defined in terms of collective guilt and if you're a member
00:41:56
of an oppressed Group by definition you're not capable of committing an injustice because you don't have the
00:42:00
power do you guys think that bill Amman was out of line by saying I don't want to hire kids from these organizations
00:42:09
and these schools because it's just like these kids and these schools will bring
00:42:13
basically I think what he's implicitly saying is distraction and it will lower the probability that I achieve my
00:42:19
corporate goals so these are not good workers based on your comment about thinking from first principles and and
00:42:26
you know being able to assess the situation I think that's probably what happens at a hedge fund you have to
00:42:30
place bets and you have to be able to think from first principles and be intellectually rigorous this is the most
00:42:36
intellectually lazy approach I'm just going to sign a piece of paper without even thinking so no I don't think it's
00:42:42
out of line I think it's an important lesson for people this is not freedom of speech this is owning your words you
00:42:47
must own your words in position and it's important that young people learn this now you have to own your words whether
00:42:54
it's on social media or signing some stupid petition that you didn't read and and there's a lot of backtracking going
00:43:00
on right now by the way I can't believe that if I got into Harvard I would get autod drafted into the brown men's
00:43:06
association just because of the color of my skin I've ever heard fat GRE group I
00:43:11
mean let's point out the double standard here that these Elite Harvard students want to be exempt from their their words
00:43:18
their statements they don't want to be canceled for that however you know that when some haa schmuck basically posts
00:43:25
some tweet or posted a tweet 10 years ago that gets resurfaced they're the first ones clamoring for their
00:43:33
cancellation right yeah they would like for their firing they would like amnesty
00:43:37
for their idiotic opinions yeah well it's good good for the goose here is good for the gander if they're they're
00:43:42
going to create a cancel culture where people get cancelled for their decade old tweets and so forth then they should
00:43:49
be prepared to live by that standard now look personally I would have some degree
00:43:53
of forgiveness for a college student being part of an organization that puts out a statement they're claiming they
00:44:01
didn't know okay but then why didn't you resign look I don't think there's a good
00:44:04
excuse for this other than youthful stupidity so I would I wouldn't cancel them forever but look I do think that
00:44:11
it's fine for inappropriate for someone like Bill and say I don't want to hire you people yeah and I would just be
00:44:16
careful for you to add the word youthful because I think it's just get out of jail free card it's definitely stupidity
00:44:23
the question is is the cake baked and if the cake is baked then there's a big argument to never hiring these people I
00:44:29
mean look your frontal loes are still developing until you're 25 years old so I I would give college kids a bit of a
00:44:36
pass if they do stupid stuff you're there to learn you're there to make mistakes no that's not what I'm saying
00:44:40
this is a huge mistake you're saying the bakes fully baked you mean like their their opinions and who they are are I'm
00:44:45
saying is you learn a lot from actions drink too much Don't drink don't exercise enough you get a little
00:44:50
sluggish maybe a little overweight I get all of that I'm not convinced that when you have this
00:44:58
fundamentally specific way of thinking that you can unwind that so easily Jason so I'm not convinced yeah okay sure that
00:45:06
this mind virus gets fixed because you all of a sudden need a job I actually think like maybe it's the struggle of
00:45:13
realizing that there are deep consequences to this vein of thinking that this oppressed versus oppressor or
00:45:19
the other way that it was framed in our group chat is that wokeism and the embracement of socialism is basically
00:45:26
running away from Excellence it's this idea that everybody has to be the same what communism says we all are the same
00:45:33
nobody is special we're all going to work together do the same things we're all going to dress in the same ways it's
00:45:39
the collective we there aren't going to be exceptional outliers but the problem is that's not how the world works and so
00:45:47
the other part of why these woke madrasas are so terrible is that it teaches I think to work away from
00:45:54
excellence and instead of striving for excellence to strive to be part of a collective and I think that that is
00:46:00
fundamentally corrosive to America it's corrosive to what God is here it's corrosive to all the great countries in
00:46:05
the world and so then again it's like why would you hire kids who fundamentally don't want to be excellent who are
00:46:12
afraid that if they were excellent they would be guilty of something that's ultimately the
00:46:18
question why why would any of these kids go to such an elag school to basically be taught that it's wrong to excel
00:46:26
all right well let say I think perhaps a good set and then as a result not think
00:46:31
for yourself and then as a result sign something like this which is just stupid we'll continue to discuss this topic I
00:46:37
guess in the weeks ahead again hopefully this conversation was productive for the
00:46:42
community the all-in community I understand that you know people might have very strong feelings
00:46:49
about you know us discussing it but we're here to discuss difficult topics there's one other aspect to this I think
00:46:54
we should talk about which is the the United States's larger geopolitical situation right now I mean things seem
00:47:00
very tenuous I did an event with um Paul Merl lucky actually friend of the of the
00:47:06
Pod friend of the Pod tell them I said my invite got lost yeah we we actually had a nice uh debate SL discussion on on
00:47:14
Ukraine but the thing that I think we agree with is that the US better bring more Innovation at the milit military
00:47:21
industrial complex and and figure out like procurement because our whole Cost Plus system right now is so broken
00:47:29
there's an article recently in the New York Times where it said that the cost to the United States of producing an
00:47:34
artillery shell is $6,000 for Russia it's $600 so in other words it costs the US
00:47:40
10 times what it cost Russia to produce an artillery shell even though Russia is
00:47:44
considered to be this super corrupt kleptocracy where everyone steals everything and yet our procurement
00:47:50
system is 10 times more than their we don't have competition and all the politician are captured correct we have
00:47:57
this Cost Plus accounting system where every year the price good opportunity to explain that yeah so in every other part
00:48:03
of technology price goes down over time right you can produce more of something for Less we've seen this with Tesla
00:48:12
we've seen it with PCS we've seen it with television sets whatever it is the price goes down over time servers yeah
00:48:19
or if the price goes up it's because you've developed some fundamentally new capability some new version you know the
00:48:25
powerful chips more storage exactly faster speed but you know we're still making the same artillery shells the
00:48:32
same Stinger missiles the same javelins and so forth I don't think the capabilities have changed that much but
00:48:38
the price goes up every year because it's Cost Plus and so explain Cost Plus people might be hearing that for the
00:48:44
first time well you know most companies sell something and then they have a profit margin but right the way that
00:48:49
government procurement works is the profit margin is controlled they're only allowed to Market up a certain certain
00:48:55
amount above their cost but the thing that's happened in the defense industry is there's been huge consolidation over
00:49:01
the past couple of decades where now you've got a handful a defense companies and it's an
00:49:07
oligopoly and many of these key armaments are single source so there's only one producer and they just keep
00:49:13
raising the price every year now one of the kind of crazy things about this is and Palmer made this point is it's not
00:49:20
like anyone's getting rich because of cost plus it's not like the money is basically making these companies there's
00:49:27
no incentive to lower the price if you lower the price and you're at 10% and you got your $6,000 down to 4,000 10% of
00:49:34
4,000 is a lot less than 10% of 6,000 what's happening is not incentive Google like margins what's happening is that
00:49:42
these companies keep building their bureaucracies bigger and bigger so they hire lots of Staff they make a lot of
00:49:48
campaign contributions they fund think tanks and so their cost structure just keeps getting more and more bloated
00:49:54
right their incen to do that the more they charge the more they make right now why am I bringing this up well we're in
00:50:00
a situation now where Israel might be on the precipice of well they've declared war against Gaza and this thing could
00:50:08
spiral out of control and become a regional War they may be asking for weapons yeah they may be asking for
00:50:14
weapons we've already donated some however earlier this year we used to have an ammunition stockpile in Israel
00:50:21
the United States did it it belonged to us but it was there potentially in case of problem in the region and that
00:50:28
artillery stockpile was basically taken and given to Ukraine and remember we ran
00:50:34
out of the key type of ammunition in the Ukraine war which is 155 millimeter artillery shells that's why we gave them
00:50:42
cluster bombs so the US is already dangerously low on ammunition and that's before we get potentially another war or
00:50:53
another front in this larger another country's War to be clear we're not at War but we've been asked to
00:51:02
donate weapons to Ukraine and we've been asked to donate I think Israel have asked for weapons I don't know if they
00:51:07
formally asked but uh we are obviously going to think there's a uh Bill making its way through right now that's going
00:51:12
to give some Aid to military assistance to Israel by the way we have Israel also
00:51:17
a builder of of weapons too I mean their their drone technology is incredibly refined and they sell weapons
00:51:25
to Russia and yeah Israel is nowhere near the Ukraine situation Ukraine is 100% dependent on the United States for
00:51:32
its military and for its economy Israel has a vibrant military and economy without the United States but the United
00:51:40
States does make long-term security guarantees to Israel not to fight its Wars there's no neutral defense treaty
00:51:47
however we do agree to provide them with weapons in the event of a war so we do have obligations like long-standing
00:51:55
obligations to them this is an ally we've had for 75 years however our stockpiles are dangerously depleted now
00:52:02
because of the Ukraine war and on top of that our procurement system is hopelessly broken so in a world of
00:52:10
rising multipolarity where there are other great Powers now in the system where there are going to be more and
00:52:17
more Global threats I don't think we have a a chance of maintaining our Global position and supporting our
00:52:24
allies unless we fix this I mean making artillery shells at 10 times more than what it cost Russia that's ridiculous in
00:52:31
Silicon Valley we have now the funding of military startups and there's a whole new class of warfare SuperSonics drones
00:52:40
qu is the only Advantage we have it's the only Advantage we right I mean this is one of the great things I mean I
00:52:46
understand Palmer is not a huge fan of mine but I'm a huge fan of the work he's doing and other entrepreneurs are doing
00:52:53
to make new weapons to keep us competitive because you can be sure China's making them and so I think it's
00:52:58
absolutely fantastic I thought it was always very weird that Google speaking of work madrasas like Google was Google
00:53:04
employees were refusing to provide services like even basic Cloud hosting services to the
00:53:11
military that that to to to benefit from democracy and Living in America while then not supporting the military just
00:53:19
seemed like the ultimate luxury belief to use um Rob's term from the PA in s your thoughts what does it take
00:53:28
guys to for this fever to break for for all of these people to realize that that
00:53:35
level of corruption is not sustainable that the these ways of thinking are not sustainable that it's not a path to
00:53:42
peace and prosperity that we actually want excellence in society we want people to be outliers we want the whole
00:53:48
of humanity to move forward and that's not going to happen when we move necessarily as one blob but a few people
00:53:54
need to sort of clear the brush and lead the way and the rest of us will come in
00:53:58
and fill it in behind them I think V is the manifestation of it I'll be totally honest like I think the reason he is
00:54:03
going up in the poles and the reason people are drawn to him is because he's smart and he's
00:54:09
exceptional and he represents one of the great things about America is that there's people who want to win and
00:54:16
they're smart and Excellence he represents Excellence right he represents Excell I I think that's why
00:54:20
people are drawn to him and I think people are tired of complex they're tired of corruption
00:54:27
they're tired of geriatric you know 80-year-old politicians we need young successful
00:54:32
people to take leadership position and by the way I I really agree with what you're saying I think that there's like
00:54:37
Excellence can show itself in different forms I think why Obama was so profound and Joe Rogan said this was he was such
00:54:45
a Statesman he was the best of us but he demonstrated excellence in being composed and measured and thoughtful and
00:54:53
strategic he was just so excellent um Clinton as well Clinton as well Clinton was incredibly steeped in policy he was
00:55:04
excellent he was intellectually a massive outlier Obama is an intellectual outlier vivec is an
00:55:11
intellectual outlier let's get these people to change and run our system of government please I think we're soaking
00:55:20
in it yeah we need smarter more capable people I mean you look at Biden when he gave that speech
00:55:25
uh in support of Israel I mean a lot of the words were right but he was like slurring his way through it it certainly
00:55:30
did not inspire me confidence it was it was his best speech and it was concerning the fact that he's clearly
00:55:37
incognitive decline you can see it in his ability to orate and you know it was his best speech and it was also
00:55:44
troubling for me as somebody who voted for him to watch him slur his words or just not it was clear he wasn't all
00:55:49
there and you're like gez what are we showing to the world if this is the guy who's running the country and if we
00:55:53
reelect him now we're saying hey we we want to have an 84 yearold running the country who's not all there and is in
00:55:59
cognitive CL let the guy retire let let him spend time with his grandkids I think it's more people who are willing
00:56:04
to vote for not for what they want but to prevent something else and I think that
00:56:09
that's of course that's what's so tragic about how we're thinking as a country right now yeah and just just to dish it
00:56:16
out equally I mean I saw Trump give a a recent speech where look he's nowhere near the cognitive decline of Biden I
00:56:23
think he's still Compass men but he's not as sharp as he used to be either I mean listen I think America's
00:56:29
basic situation and this has really been reaffirmed over the past week is that we're no longer in unipolarity anymore
00:56:35
we're no longer the sole superpower yeah not for some time China is now a superpower they're probably the lowcost
00:56:42
manufacturer of the world so when we talk about being able to make things like armaments and artillery shells and
00:56:47
weapons they have the ability to outproduce us that is very scary there are other great powers in the system now
00:56:53
Russia has proven over for the last 5 months through his victory in this counter offensive that it is a power to
00:56:58
be reckoned with we cannot disregard their concerns anymore and not only does America need I think topf flight leaders
00:57:07
like intellectually who are at the top of their game but we also need new thinking we need to be able to sidestep
00:57:13
challenges and conflicts as opposed to walking into every single trap the way that lindsy Graham wants us to again
00:57:20
I'll go back on the Ukraine war I think it's really clear that we could have avoided that war if we had
00:57:26
taken NATO expansion off the table it and whether you believe that or not it was criminal not to try if it was a
00:57:32
five% chance it was worth trying so I you and now look at our situation we're already Meed in the Ukraine proxy war
00:57:39
now Israel's on the brink we need smarter people and smarter thinking in Washington we are no longer
00:57:46
the only superpower we're going to have a really tough time in a multi-polar world if we do not look for ways to
00:57:52
deescalate conflict when we can or putting aside conflict why are we not building deep ties with as many
00:58:00
countries as possible deep cultural ties deep economic ties deep diplomatic ties
00:58:06
every time we are in dialogue with a country and we're building a relationship with that country that
00:58:11
means free people of the world are winning you know and every time we isolate a country that does not go well
00:58:18
for us sanctioning half the world that's another big part of this problem yeah and so you know it's the normalization
00:58:24
of relationships and the deepening of relationships that is the high order bit and you need somebody in office who can
00:58:30
do that and you know if you look at how the you know the Hawks in the GOP or the
00:58:35
Hawks in the Democratic party think they think that we have to be at war with everybody they think we have to isolate
00:58:41
everybody you know the fact that Trump went and that famous moment where he walked over the in the DMZ in North
00:58:47
Korea and was talking to Kim Jong Un that moment you see on Kim jong-un's face we we can put it in
00:58:55
here he is so happy to be recognized now listen I understand suffering he has a shocked look on his face like I can't
00:59:02
believe this is happening right the same way he did when Dennis Rodman came over
00:59:05
no it's like it's like a fan meeting Taylor Swift if you look at those videos and you compare it to this it's the same
00:59:11
well and and culture is our export and I know this sounds you're talking about Jason is soft
00:59:15
simplistic it can't all be it can't all be hard power because other countries have it too now so we have to work on
00:59:21
our soft power but you're not going to enhance American soft power with all this belligerent rhetoric really this
00:59:27
omnidirectional belligerence that's coming out of Washington and this is why I think the smart thing for blinkin to
00:59:33
do or the Biden Administration is yes you reaffirm that you stand with Israel in the face of this unspeakable atrocity
00:59:41
at the same time and you don't have to do this right now because it is a little bit tough to do it right now but
00:59:47
hostages you have to re reaffirm your support for the two-state solution that I think the United States has always
00:59:53
supported and by the way I think I think Tony's done a really good job but again
00:59:56
at the end of the day Tony works for President Biden and it's like Biden hasn't been nearly as definitive as he
01:00:03
could have been and Tony's had to clean it up so one example of this is like in the Wall Street Journal they immediately
01:00:10
on Sunday that went to blaming Iran right and then both the Israeli military intelligence and American intelligence
01:00:20
they had to do an entire press circuit to try to disarm this in a way that was not seen in a long time and you have to
01:00:25
ask yourself why why is that even happening and it's like well whatever special interests wanted to get that on the
01:00:32
front page of the Wall Street Journal was able to do it but it has dangerous implications and then what you need is a
01:00:39
really strong leader that can step up and say this is false this is not happening this is what we need you
01:00:43
needed an Obama in that situation and I think that this is Clinton yeah or Clinton
01:00:51
Reagan and and I think that this is an opportunity for us to ask ourselves okay who is the most dynamic excellent
01:00:59
candidate that can give us this and be open-minded and not make this line about Republican versus Democrat right now
01:01:07
because the world is getting super complicated we need someone hyper hyper excellent and intellectually
01:01:15
competent well I will say this for for Trump is that um he's the only president in recent memory who didn't give us any
01:01:22
new Wars best quality yeah I think he has despite despite all of his issues I think he has a unique ability to project
01:01:30
strength to the American public while not being one of these super Hawks he's actually I'd say relatively dovish well
01:01:37
he he actually walked through his secret plan he's he said I can't remember where
01:01:41
this clip but he said whenever he met with these folks he basically left a 10% chance that he would nuke
01:01:47
them that's what he said and it turned out that that 10% was just enough where the where
01:01:53
everybody everybody to stay in line it was just see I see I I think the US already has enough deterrence I think
01:01:59
we've maxed out on deterrence I think the thing that was smart about Trump was that he was willing to do business yes
01:02:06
he was willing to negotiate and he didn't feel the need to make these moral condemnations all the time he was
01:02:12
willing to meet with Kim jongo and he was willing to meet with Putin and and Sean ping and he avoided uh criticizing
01:02:22
them personally he didn't call them dictators he talked about how smart they are yeah it's the art of the deal right
01:02:28
I mean at the end of the day he's looking to do business and we need a little bit more of that and I think this
01:02:32
is why jerck kusher was successful is he went in there with the mindset of a businessman yeah how do we find
01:02:38
something that's beneficial to both sides totally right I think that when Trump was elected I was told that it was
01:02:44
the end of the world and that's what I thought and I'd already underwritten him as an F okay and then four years into
01:02:51
the presidency he was probably like a C in my mind and then as I get a little bit of distance away I realized no hold
01:03:00
on a second this guy was like a BB Plus like he was pretty good and unfortunately the few things that if he
01:03:08
if he could have just pushed through would have really saved America the biggest one being these hundred-year
01:03:14
bonds it it would have kept America from getting to the precipice of fiscal ruin
01:03:19
and we'd be in a highly different situation and I'm not sure we could have ever given him credit for it but the
01:03:25
further and further I get away from him and the less emotional I am he did a pretty good job he was a pretty good
01:03:30
president don't forget that he tried to overturn the election and steal the election I voted for Hillary Clinton I
01:03:36
voted for Joe Biden but this is the honest assessment the guy did for the things that he was supposed to do a good
01:03:42
job and for where every other president found a way to frankly make our situation a little bit worse
01:03:50
specifically around Wars he did not do that and that is a huge accomplishment that I think needs to be acknowledged
01:03:56
and he would have ripped up the Constitution and taken the presidency and stolen it so just give that in mind
01:04:02
as well L we get him that that's why he's not that's why he's not an a he's a b B+ okay Jason you have to admit if it
01:04:11
weren't for the Black Swan of Co he would have been reelected in a Landslide Landslide it's quite possible he would
01:04:17
have been reelected yeah I mean I and also yeah by the way I mean at this rate the way things are going in this country
01:04:23
right now both economically and internationally he's going to Wal the white house he's going to spend all of
01:04:29
his time in the next year in in the cour houses battling all these lawsuits the law fair against him he's not going to
01:04:37
be able to campaign and it won't even matter because people are going to be so done with this and nobody wants him as
01:04:42
president again so I think that's nobody wants that everybody wants new choices all right everybody if you do not want
01:04:49
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01:04:54
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01:05:00
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01:05:06
week here and your our thoughts and prayers go out to the families and the friends of those
01:05:16
impacted by this heinous terrorist attack and I I don't know if anybody has any other closing remarks here but
01:05:23
obviously we're heartbroken and we we hope that peace prevails and that the hostages are released as quickly as
01:05:30
possible well said all right everybody this is episode 149 of the all-in podcast uh next week
01:05:38
we'll we'll talk about all the different topics but for this week we're going to let it sit where it
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is right now see you next time bye-bye