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welcome back everybody to another
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episode of the waveform podcast we're
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your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew
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and in today's episode we're going to
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talk about tick tock starting to
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outperform youtube um another google
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messaging app and uh
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first off though we're gonna do a bunch
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of different ev news so we we kind of
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didn't do any we did a whole week
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without ev news last week i'm pretty
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sure yeah so at this point now we'd
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probably by the time you have seen this
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just dropped the thousand-mile road trip
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video on the main channel i guess that
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was a whole eevee yeah but no news
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so that'll be that'll be all the
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conclusions and all that info you can
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watch that if you want
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but what's the ev news i mean the first
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one we kind of all saw it coming i think
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this was like a week ago but roadster
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and cyberchuck are both officially
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delayed officially yeah and it's funny
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because every
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tesla officially
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piece of news is typically just elon
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tweeting like tesla's accounts didn't
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share this like this didn't come from
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tesla this became this is literally elon
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replying to someone on twitter which is
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usually how these headphones arrive but
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we'll just go with yeah officially let
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me confirm when you go to uh order them
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now
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is delivery date changed there never was
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a delivery date there never was not even
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on cyber truck uh that's a good question
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because i remember so many people when
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we first talked about the f-150 saying
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like well cyber truck's gonna be here by
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the end of the year and we're like adam
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adamant adamant about it and i was
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always like
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we'll see yeah yeah i actually had more
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hope for the cyber truck because of the
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whole
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uh like
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the the truck is built like that because
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it's supposed to be easier to
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manufacture and the right body type is
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supposed to be being able to be pumped
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out for like fleets and stuff like that
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but but that's when you start
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manufacturing so they have not started
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making sure it's true and it is getting
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pretty close to the end of 2021 yeah we
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kind of saw it coming i'm on tesla's
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site right now cybertruck does not seem
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to have a delivery date year anymore
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okay i suppose they removed it but it's
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definitely not coming out this year yeah
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and i think the the one thing that keeps
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coming up is the order of suspected
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releases cyber truck was announced after
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the roadster technically unveiling but
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it is definitely a priority to come out
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before the roadster i think they've
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talked about this the more likely useful
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vehicle for tesla cyber truck with the
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4680 batteries they might even be more
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likely to refresh model 3 and model y
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with 4680 batteries before they do
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roadster at the end that's dessert
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that's how he always that's how elon
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always phrases and explains it so
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priority on roadster is very low and
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always will be
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i'm i'm personally totally fine with
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that i wasn't expecting it to come out
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anytime soon but this is confirmation
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that cyber truck or roadster you're
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talking about about roadster roadster
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will be at least 2023 which to me means
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2024 at the best
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don't it's not gonna be on time uh yeah
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it's such a shame people they've had
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some of these uh like pre-order payments
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for a very long time i mean just the
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amount of money they could have made off
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of those if like investing them or
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something like that well that's that's
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been their thing is if any of these
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people including myself used the money
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we deposited
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and literally just bought tesla talk
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instead what that would have turned into
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is uh yeah
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i just and it's not just tesla doing it
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anymore i don't get why like like ford's
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doing it rivien's doing it
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that was canoes doing these like this is
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much less it's the 100 like refundable
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ones i don't love that that's not a
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thing i like it all it's a very eevee
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thing we i don't i i might not have been
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in the car world long enough to notice
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this but i don't really see that many
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regular gas cars taking 100 deposits
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four years before they're supposed to
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get announced you know the only thing i
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can think of is well not hundred dollar
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robots but i'm sure some of those like
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top and top top top and like brutal
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supercars are doing stuff like that but
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you're right nothing
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like for the average consumer is doing
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stuff like that yeah as far as i know
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maybe something but it's not a normal
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thing but yeah anyways we'll move on um
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vw released a concept tease of their
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it's called the id life it looks kind of
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like a mid-sized hatchback so not quite
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like a crossover um very very boxy
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almost like the old scions now this is a
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concept supposed to come out in 2025 i
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think the biggest thing here is we're
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seeing a price tag of what's supposed to
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be around 24 000
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and that's just a price tag that i think
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eevee needs to hit that needs to hit as
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fast as possible so that's the main
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reason i just wanted to bring this up
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i agree that that's a price tag that's
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admirable i just had to look up the
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article to see a date they're saying
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2025 yeah okay fine so about four years
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i would love i would love to see that
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way sooner i mean any car it's not even
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just volkswagen i don't care that this
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is volkswagen at all i just want to see
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a 20 uh an under 25 000 ev that has
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admirable range i'm talking at least
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over 200. i think that's the key is
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these powertrains are
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the main cost driver of like what prices
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these cars i mean we've all talked about
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tesla interiors in the past that's not
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why they're expensive it's because of
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the motors and the batteries yeah for
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sure so what we're really talking about
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is when can we get a 24 000
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good mass-produced
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high wattage like
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decent-sized battery in a car um
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i would be willing to bet tesla will get
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there first and i don't know when that
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will be but it's it's nice to see others
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also committing to the same thing
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i'm also looking at the picture of it
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and yeah the picture is kind of short it
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looks it looks kind of like something
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i'd see it's ces you know it does look
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very it's most the lights and the front
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thing i i said they kind of looked like
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e-paper almost like it just looks like
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lights that are just kind of glowing and
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not really actual lights um but again
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it's a concept like no part of me thinks
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it will look like this picture at all
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yeah um
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i
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i don't know if i think tesla will be
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the first one to get down that far i
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my main reasoning behind that is they
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cause like the cheapest one you can buy
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right now is 40. like 15 000 is a
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big difference in cars yes um
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i mean maybe i mean they're i think
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they're the most advanced out of all of
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them for sure that's why i'm betting on
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tesla yeah i just they're they're
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selling so many cars at these higher
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price points and everything are they
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going to now develop another one i mean
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we just saw
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cyber truck get delayed i don't even
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count roots being delayed is like
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anything i count towards their regular
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manufacturing because like you said it's
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it's like their cream of the crop top
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line not major selling one
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um
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i don't know i wouldn't doubt if we see
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something like which we'll talk about
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next toyota or honda or one of them
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maybe
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getting there i just hope there's one
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before 2025 way before 2025. yeah i
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think i there's no doubt in my mind
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they're all working on it i just think
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if uh if we're waiting for the first
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generation of each of them and we're
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also seeing tesla's like fourth
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generation coming out soon there's a
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pretty good chance the ones that have
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been working on at the longest and who
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have gotten the furthest will be the
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first to get to this next step
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uh but we'll see i know
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it would be really impressive if
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volkswagen leapfrogged tesla's entire
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well i think it would try to train tech
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i'm i wouldn't be surprised if some of
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these companies went after that market
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because that's the market that's not
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being hit right now i mean like the
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model 3 is a huge milestone in evs in
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general because of how much cheaper it
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got but a 40 000 car is not an
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affordable car by any means like i think
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they they all know that if they could
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make a 25 000 car right now they would
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definitely do it because it would
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clearly sell a lot i just think they
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don't have the tech to be able to make
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them that well so it's who's going to
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get the batteries who's going to make
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the drive train efficiency who's going
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to do it first so we'll see we'll see
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also these interior pictures are wild i
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don't think i even oh if you think oh
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yeah oh dude it reminds me of that like
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total
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total
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bullcrap concept car that bmw showed us
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which just like remember we sat and
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they're like don't scoot across the back
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seat yeah it doesn't actually have
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supports in the middle it's basically
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cardboard and like yeah this is funny no
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part of me thinks that this is what the
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interior will look like if it's a 25 000
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car like it'll be
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very plain on the inside 20 25 though
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2025
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maybe it's got a yolk for those who are
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listening to audio only
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it has a yolk and it looks at the back
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it appears to be using your smartphone
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as
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the
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main and only display
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so you know how model three has one
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display in the middle and that's like
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your speedometer map and everything it
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looks like you don't even get that you
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just put your phone there and maybe
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that's saving a lot of money but that's
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a very interesting concept
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it looks like if the like bdi was made
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bdi is like this modern
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furniture company that we buy a lot of
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it looks like very like mid-century
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modern interior uh like doesn't look
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like a car also the the brake but the
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gas pedal has a play button and the
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brake pedal has a pause button that's
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hilarious which is so dumb and there's
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like some touch screen stuff this
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concept is ridiculous i mean like
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if i was in a video game and i played
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this i'd be like this is really
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unrealistic
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it is but you know when they say it's
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the future wait what and it's a couple
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years out
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i'm just wait go to picture 18 18. i'm
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going to just describe this the front
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dash like has a giant screen that pops
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out this oh oh i did a demo of this okay
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so volkswagen yeah volkswagen's
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basically
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banking on the fact that autonomous
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vehicles will be so good by the time
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these come out that you can just
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completely ignore the outside of the car
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and you do have a wheel there for
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takeover when you're manual but you can
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just cover the windshield in a blackout
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shade and put a movie up and watch it
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instead of
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looking out the windshield yeah i had
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way more hopes for this until and the
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further into the pictures i click the
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more i think this is
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just a
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i don't know
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i don't like
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i don't yeah i don't like seeing all the
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wishful parts of this like i'm just
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wishing
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for a cheap ev because i want to
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not have as many pollutants in the air
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and like do something that's towards
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going green and affordable this is like
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i don't know
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yeah we'll see my baby feels ridiculous
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my biggest skepticism is actually in one
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of the specs and when you project this
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far in the future it's kind of hard to
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get specs right in tech because tech
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moves fast but they're saying
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57 kilowatt hour battery 250 mile range
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i and this is apparently with the
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european wltp testing cycle i don't know
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how accurate this is going to be but
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um
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i'm hoping by 2025 250 miles of range is
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like a base i would hope that's what i
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that's what i mean about this because we
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have the mini cooper that's like 22
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right
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22 000 but it's range is like 100 miles
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100 miles like
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if you're in a city that's great i want
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something that can do
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at least 200 like you said 250 should be
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like the absolute base for evs we're
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looking at but just that like
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the biggest thing of that 25 000 price
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tag is once you get three years into
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that and you have used cars you're
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starting to look at under 20 000 and and
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i think the used ev market is going to
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be huge because they should potentially
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last much longer than gas vehicles
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i just think that's a milestone we have
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to hit um
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we'll see we'll see who gets there yeah
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all right so all right so next up we
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have toyota claiming that it's going to
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invest 13.6 billion dollars into car
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batteries over the next decade um
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i think this is really important toyota
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is the largest car manufacturer
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worldwide by volume um i mean it's
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toyota if you are driving out on the
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street um you're seeing a camry in a
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corolla probably almost every other car
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they're gigantic but we haven't seen
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them like they don't have an ev yet they
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have one concept car with no date as far
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as i know yeah it's weird very strange
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to me especially because
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they are the people who started the
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whole kind of like better gas mileage
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movement with the prius yeah the prius
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is like one of the best
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fuel economy cars out there people love
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that thing and toyota hasn't made a pure
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ev yet battery ev real quick do you know
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when the first prius was sold
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what year yeah i'm i'm just gonna
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spitball guess like 2004.
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pretty close the first one in japan was
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1997
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then worldwide they were first sold in
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2000. so the prius has been around for a
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really really long time it has so that
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is crazy to me that toyota's been
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working on this type of car i mean it's
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a hybrid still has electric motors it's
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very different but it's still trying to
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make you know kind of a greener a
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mission
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20 years and they still don't have an ev
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out that's crazy to me maya one of my
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professors i've tweeted this before but
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one of my professors from college once
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told me you should never give a
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presentation with a number in it without
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some context for that number
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and you're saying
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when i hear toyota is investing 13.6
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billion in car batteries over the next
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decade that sounds like a lot
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but is that
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a lot compared to other car companies
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uh
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all right so to break down the numbers a
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little bit and still this is all you
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know planned said everything um
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13.6 billion dollars for battery tech
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over the next decade 9 billion of that
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is straight into production
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um please have ten battery production
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lines by 2025 and then another 70 across
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the world after that it says
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judging by these numbers it should
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produce around 200 gigawatt hours of
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batteries and then if you want to
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compare that to something volkswagen's
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plans are to produce 240 gigawatts in
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europe alone by 2030 and ford said
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they're planning to do 240 gigawatt
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gigawatt hours gwh of batteries globally
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by 2030 as well um yeah
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and then adam what did you just say you
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said tesla just invested 12 billion last
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year 12 billion in 2020 over the next
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two years into electric cars and
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batteries yeah but tesla only makes
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electric cars so that's interesting yeah
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well that's electric cars too i did i
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don't know if this is
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right and that's not just battery just
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car yeah yeah
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i mean
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like i said before toyota
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i just like seeing toyota going into evs
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in general i think they're a great car
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company i think it's another one where
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we've talked about how the f-150 is so
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important to evs because of the loyalty
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behind the f-150 line and pickup trucks
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in general toyota is one of those
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companies you just think of customer
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loyalty behind it and i think they would
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be especially globally like they're very
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popular in the us but they're even more
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popular
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overseas yeah they're everywhere yeah
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yeah i i you know the more competition
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the merrier i want to see every car
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manufacturer
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attempt to make a good ev as soon as
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possible as soon as possible that's what
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so yeah this to me is like
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i'm glad i'm hearing that toyota but
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i want you to do this faster i want you
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to have an ev car out here they have
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this like uh it's called the bz4x
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um it's like a crossover suv because who
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isn't attempting to make a crossover suv
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at this point um but
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i just want them to go faster i like
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their cars a lot in fact i mean we
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wanted to talk about on here i'm at the
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point where my car is
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it's at the end of its life i think i
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need to get a new one by the end of the
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month i've been debating a lot of things
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you probably would assume i'm going to
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get a tesla because of how much we talk
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about it here but i i've decided not to
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already decided i've already decided i'm
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between a couple different cars okay i
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have decided as much as i want an ev for
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many different reasons
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i don't think right now is the right
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time to get one for me personally is
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that because you can't get any ev that's
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not a tesla or is it because
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no evie speaks to you enough so here's
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it's it's a whole mix of things i just
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currently moved um it is back to where i
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grew up it is very
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out in kind of the middle of nowhere um
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i love it i absolutely love living out
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there
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i love tesla i really really like the
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model y it would probably be at the top
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of my price point for a car but my
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biggest concerns with it right now are
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the two i don't have a single tesla
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service center within an hour from where
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i live
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i see that being a big issue at some
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point it's one of those things where
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like
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most of the time it's probably not an
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issue but when it is that just feels
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like an absolute nightmare
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um
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i worry about how long it takes for
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teslas to be repaired um if it's
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something that's
00:16:35
they do a great job with their loaner
00:16:36
car program from what i've seen
00:16:38
but if it's something that's your fault
00:16:40
i'm assuming they're not covering a
00:16:42
loaner car like if i get in an accident
00:16:44
or anything like that
00:16:46
that's something that worries me yeah it
00:16:48
definitely depends on the situation but
00:16:50
yeah i mean that's true with a lot of
00:16:51
things but
00:16:52
uh so repairability is
00:16:55
something that worries me as well um and
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then i think last but not least
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uh i mean price is obviously high i just
00:17:02
bought a house there's a lot of new
00:17:03
bills that come with that we're trying
00:17:04
to start a family there's going to be a
00:17:06
lot of bills that come with that um and
00:17:08
so the insurance
00:17:10
from what i've seen is quite a bit more
00:17:12
expensive around here as well um so
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just all of those things kind of adding
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up i have a super chart one supercharger
00:17:19
on my commute home from work but i to me
00:17:21
that's not even an issue i think one
00:17:23
thing i love about evs is starting with
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i've said this a million times
00:17:27
i want to leave my house every day with
00:17:29
a full tank of gas that is like amazing
00:17:31
to me and i think is the most underrated
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thing about evs possible in terms of
00:17:35
other evs i was looking forward to the
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f-150 which
00:17:39
would have really been stretching it
00:17:40
money-wise but i am
00:17:43
not confident with charging to be like
00:17:46
completely honest i'm super excited for
00:17:48
the truck to come out
00:17:50
this last road trip didn't help
00:17:52
confidence in it at all i'm gonna say we
00:17:54
just did a big experiment to figure that
00:17:56
out um yeah i think that's a big issue i
00:17:59
i mean like there would obviously be
00:18:01
places i could take a ford to instead
00:18:02
but also my car is at the point where i
00:18:04
won't be able to wait as long for an
00:18:06
f-150 anyways and like yeah that's
00:18:08
that's gonna be delayed i'm calling it
00:18:09
now i'm just telling you
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i'm gonna say i think it won't be
00:18:13
delayed but it doesn't help me either
00:18:15
way yeah i would put
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i think it'll come out in june
00:18:20
this upcoming june yeah
00:18:22
i hope i'm wrong but every
00:18:25
single other ev has been delayed other
00:18:28
than like variants of model 3 and model
00:18:30
y it's been like every single one's been
00:18:32
delayed so i hope i'm wrong maybe four
00:18:35
will be first i don't know it was maki
00:18:37
on time i don't remember exactly so but
00:18:40
i hopefully i think they have too much
00:18:42
riding on it for it to be delayed i
00:18:43
think it would be a huge blow to it if
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it were delayed um
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but yeah so yeah i'm most likely going
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to get
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i think a rav yeah so probably or an
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outback or a forester i really like
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uh like something with storage i like
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something with all-wheel drive i've been
00:19:00
looking at a tacoma also but they're
00:19:02
pretty pricey as well um i do live out
00:19:04
in the middle of nowhere now a truck
00:19:06
would be really nice but i need
00:19:07
something with at least some storage
00:19:08
it's a rav4 outback forester yeah it
00:19:10
reminds me of what doug demiros said he
00:19:12
was like they're kind of all good like
00:19:13
yeah yeah it's hard to go wrong i i
00:19:16
appreciate subaru and toyota are
00:19:17
supposed to last for very long time i
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mean my impreza has 180 000 miles on it
00:19:21
right now i'm still driving i just know
00:19:23
i'm like one day away from it breaking
00:19:26
down on the side of the road in me and
00:19:27
not wanting to deal with it i want to
00:19:29
play like the devil's advocate and like
00:19:30
try to convince you right now to get a
00:19:32
model y i don't know what how i would i
00:19:34
i
00:19:34
love the model y i absolutely love the
00:19:37
model is there a is there a
00:19:39
service
00:19:40
a dealership i guess of like subaru and
00:19:43
toyota like near you i guess yeah i was
00:19:45
much closer i could probably i could
00:19:47
ride my bike to a super dealership near
00:19:49
me if i wanted to um i have two toyota
00:19:51
dealerships within 10 minutes of me uh
00:19:54
there's plenty there's plenty of
00:19:56
dealerships everywhere i could probably
00:19:57
hit
00:19:58
seven toyota dealerships on my way to a
00:20:01
tesla dealer there's so many it's just a
00:20:03
it's a tough spot right now i think it's
00:20:05
like actually
00:20:06
one of those two just got hit by the
00:20:08
hurricane in new jersey also so they're
00:20:10
gonna be down for a little bit so that's
00:20:12
also really tough the service center
00:20:14
that i picked up my car from
00:20:16
uh we just had this hurricane ida come
00:20:18
through shout out to climate change once
00:20:21
in a once in a generation
00:20:23
freaking ev so bad yeah our our fourth
00:20:25
one in 200 year storm
00:20:27
uh and uh shattered all the windows and
00:20:30
the roof collapsed so now they're
00:20:32
they had to move all their deliveries to
00:20:34
a different service center and like get
00:20:36
stuff out of there and they shut that
00:20:37
down for at least a couple weeks i don't
00:20:38
know how long it takes to fix fix the
00:20:40
roof but that thing's that thing is gone
00:20:42
the superchargers there still work you
00:20:44
can still plug in and charge yeah um but
00:20:46
uh that is that is one down but yeah no
00:20:49
that's like one of the things i was i
00:20:51
was always thinking about when i
00:20:53
recommend
00:20:54
when i recommend a specific ev
00:20:56
especially tesla yeah it's like
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you don't
00:21:00
do nearly as much maintenance like you
00:21:02
maybe go in every 10 20 30 000 miles
00:21:05
however many you want to just to get a
00:21:07
checkup or whatever um but the the car
00:21:09
out here the
00:21:10
the raven model s i did exactly zero
00:21:13
appointments for it's on its original
00:21:15
wheels and tires i i think i drove it
00:21:16
about 30 30 000 miles never visited the
00:21:20
service center once
00:21:21
um but the one chance
00:21:23
you do get an accident or you do have
00:21:26
like a
00:21:27
nick in the bumper you just need
00:21:28
something to go to the car and you go
00:21:31
back to the tesla service center then
00:21:32
that's the question of like how close is
00:21:34
it to me what's the the loaner program
00:21:36
like what's the service like
00:21:38
and that's always uh that's always a
00:21:39
question yeah i mean we just had vin vin
00:21:41
couldn't come in for like three weeks
00:21:43
because somebody hit him not his fault
00:21:45
at all and his car took three weeks to
00:21:47
fix that and it's just like i can't not
00:21:50
have a car for three weeks that's or or
00:21:52
then i'm spending on a rental car like
00:21:53
that's a ton of money it's just
00:21:55
it's hard to do all that and it's a hard
00:21:57
thing to just like
00:21:58
i don't know i think some people are i
00:22:01
like i said part of it is because of
00:22:03
where i moved to made it much harder i
00:22:05
would kill for a model y i'm kind of
00:22:07
hoping that
00:22:08
in the next five or six years then maybe
00:22:11
i'll just sell my car whatever i want to
00:22:14
say i was gonna say lease a car for two
00:22:16
three years not at least six and then
00:22:18
something you can do with that much
00:22:20
mileage for commuting too it's just way
00:22:22
too much i have to buy i have to finance
00:22:25
and and stuff like that so i'm using a
00:22:26
tesla doesn't work either get something
00:22:28
for two three years and then when the
00:22:29
s150 comes out maybe f-150 if they fix
00:22:32
their
00:22:33
charging's better i hope so i have high
00:22:35
hopes for that 150. i'm
00:22:37
trust me i i'm really really rooting for
00:22:40
ford i think i'm really rooting for
00:22:42
toyota i would kill for a rav4
00:22:45
eevee if it was literally just a rav4
00:22:47
with an electric motor it would be
00:22:49
amazing but all right i think i rented
00:22:51
it enough on that yeah all right let's
00:22:53
take a quick break we'll come back we're
00:22:54
going to talk about google's services
00:22:57
and then maybe uh one of google's
00:22:58
biggest services having some competition
00:23:00
be right back
00:23:02
great
00:23:03
great great
00:23:06
[Music]
00:23:11
all right all right back from break we
00:23:13
argued a little bit behind the scenes
00:23:15
and we're doing uh we got a bet yeah we
00:23:17
got a bet we just want to we just want
00:23:18
to know if ford's going to hold up their
00:23:20
promise so we looked up on on ford's
00:23:21
website they're promising f-150
00:23:23
lightning deliveries will start spring
00:23:25
2022. yeah so if i'm betting it's
00:23:28
delayed
00:23:29
june 21st is the last day of spring
00:23:31
2022. i'm betting first deliveries are
00:23:34
after that okay they're betting that
00:23:35
they meet that yeah and do we want to do
00:23:37
just like what is first deliveries i
00:23:40
i don't want to count if it's like one
00:23:41
truck gets delivered or something like
00:23:43
that do you have a metric or just it's
00:23:45
gentlemen's like i want to be able to
00:23:47
find a customer who just makes a video
00:23:49
of their truck on youtube
00:23:51
okay
00:23:52
like we did with plaid when they started
00:23:53
trickling out yeah like we'll know if
00:23:55
they're like actually doing deliveries
00:23:56
yeah
00:23:57
okay and we have decided that the
00:23:59
punishment is uh
00:24:02
we're saying a spoon it doesn't have to
00:24:04
be like a whole spoonful but we're
00:24:05
saying the bomb hot sauce yeah we're
00:24:07
gonna buy the bomb hot sauce and uh
00:24:10
loser has to put on all of his food for
00:24:12
the next week whoa oh
00:24:14
no we're gonna have to eat it one time
00:24:15
yeah one time one time one teaspoon of
00:24:18
it right right in your mouth on the
00:24:19
podcast yeah sure oh yeah yeah for sure
00:24:22
for sure all right i'll buy the bomb
00:24:23
okay cool
00:24:25
cool and you let me know what kind of
00:24:26
hot sauce what you put your hot sauce on
00:24:29
so i can get that for you too oh you're
00:24:31
gonna we can put it on something yeah
00:24:33
yeah okay i'm just saying you're gonna
00:24:34
lose so you should tell me what you
00:24:35
wanted
00:24:36
yeah vanilla ice cream with extra
00:24:38
lactose perfect okay but we also wanted
00:24:40
to talk about google for a little bit of
00:24:42
course now there's a variety of google
00:24:43
stuff to talk about we obviously uh
00:24:46
have seen a long history of google
00:24:49
messaging services over the years
00:24:51
so i saw this headline and we just added
00:24:54
it to the waveform slack just because
00:24:56
like we wanted to come back to this but
00:24:58
it is yet another google messaging app
00:25:01
yeah um yeah what is it so it's gmail
00:25:04
calls now yeah so it's essentially like
00:25:07
a google meet video call but you can do
00:25:10
it straight from the gmail i'm assuming
00:25:12
in browser they're doing like a gmail
00:25:13
redesign right right so it's a way to to
00:25:16
make video calls basically from gmail so
00:25:20
you can do it straight in the app even
00:25:22
though i believe it's using google meets
00:25:23
as like the platform for it so they're
00:25:25
not like making a new platform but in
00:25:27
gmail you can make the calls straight in
00:25:30
the gmail app so you're not switching
00:25:31
out of things or like in an email thread
00:25:33
they're trying to
00:25:35
like outlook yeah it's barely different
00:25:37
from google hangouts already but
00:25:40
just for a little fun here
00:25:42
we know there's been a million google
00:25:44
messaging apps i mean it's like a joke i
00:25:46
want to see how many you can name
00:25:48
now there are about 15 i believe
00:25:51
15. 11 of them so it's like they have
00:25:55
sms they have email and they have um
00:25:58
like video conferencing they also have
00:25:59
like a couple they just called them
00:26:01
collaborations with some other messaging
00:26:04
things
00:26:05
i won't be that upset if you don't get
00:26:06
those but i just want to see let's uh
00:26:09
messaging inside of google slides in
00:26:10
google powerpoint uh
00:26:13
google sheets
00:26:14
pretty much yeah google docs chat is one
00:26:16
of them which is like okay but um let's
00:26:19
do
00:26:20
let's uh i'm gonna i have them in the
00:26:22
document but they're highlighted black
00:26:24
right now i'm worried if i highlight
00:26:25
these you'll see them so let's just take
00:26:27
this a little bit yeah i want to see how
00:26:29
many you don't get so active or or all
00:26:32
the time forever no because how many are
00:26:33
active actually if you could even name
00:26:35
if they're active i can't because we had
00:26:36
a way of confirming that yeah i was just
00:26:39
thinking of like google buzz and google
00:26:40
plus okay
00:26:41
um
00:26:42
so i know we have google messenger on my
00:26:44
phone
00:26:45
that's your sms app we have google
00:26:47
hangouts also on my phone okay i also
00:26:49
have google duo and google allo
00:26:52
okay not even sure if both of those
00:26:54
still work i think duo still works aloe
00:26:56
not so sure okay um
00:26:58
then we have
00:27:00
so
00:27:00
google meet
00:27:02
is the video conferencing
00:27:04
app kind of like zoom yep it's already
00:27:06
five that's already you should be done
00:27:08
but now there's well you're missing the
00:27:10
most popular one
00:27:12
which is just think about like
00:27:16
it's what we just talked about the the
00:27:17
new phone call thing in gmail like g
00:27:19
chat no it's just gmail oh gmail yeah
00:27:22
okay oh yeah it's a message you know
00:27:23
that yeah yeah okay messaging app sure
00:27:25
so gmail that's already six uh and you
00:27:28
said google chat right yeah google chat
00:27:30
so hangouts in google chat and gmail are
00:27:32
all in the same window at the same time
00:27:34
next to each other which is hilarious
00:27:36
um
00:27:37
yeah google buzz and google plus
00:27:40
were kind of google plus was a social
00:27:42
network google buzz was kind of
00:27:45
what was google buzz i don't even see
00:27:48
google buzz in here from what i have i
00:27:49
think that was also a social network so
00:27:50
i won't count it yeah but google plus is
00:27:53
a little harder because google plus had
00:27:54
certain things in it
00:27:56
which is oh it had messaging you could
00:27:58
message people in google play i have
00:28:00
three different google plus apps listed
00:28:02
here that are all different messaging
00:28:04
things oh so do you remember any of them
00:28:06
i don't know what they're called but
00:28:07
in your profile you could message
00:28:08
someone on a google plus and it wasn't
00:28:10
gmail it was inside of google plus
00:28:12
google plus messaging i guess there's
00:28:14
also youtube by the way which used to
00:28:16
have a messaging system
00:28:18
yeah that's not listed here so i have
00:28:20
google plus huddle oh yeah yeah yeah
00:28:23
one's called google plus hangouts which
00:28:24
i'm assuming just kind of turned into
00:28:26
regular hangouts or if hangouts was
00:28:27
already hangouts was already a thing i
00:28:30
this this verge article i'm looking at
00:28:31
has hangouts and google plus hangouts
00:28:34
wow okay and then i also have google
00:28:36
plus circles which that is just the
00:28:37
regular like kind of like a facebook
00:28:39
wall that was the mechanism for talking
00:28:41
to groups of people in certain parts of
00:28:44
your google plus network okay so like a
00:28:46
facebook group more so yeah okay
00:28:49
something like that yeah um wow so
00:28:51
google docs chat good job on that one
00:28:53
that's that was one i didn't think
00:28:54
because we use that one
00:28:56
we do it's over here on the side system
00:28:58
yeah i guess we never use the chat too
00:29:00
much so i said hug there's something
00:29:02
called google talk
00:29:04
google google voice they can say oh yeah
00:29:06
i have google voice google voice can be
00:29:08
uh sms you said google messages i have
00:29:11
android messages but yeah same thing
00:29:13
yeah um google wave
00:29:16
oh wait i don't even remember it's not
00:29:17
so dead and old yeah that was the thing
00:29:20
and then there's just also
00:29:21
the original google chat gchat
00:29:24
pre-hangouts turn into hangouts yeah
00:29:26
exactly that's what i used to talk to
00:29:28
everyone on google g chat was the best
00:29:30
when you were like at work because you
00:29:32
had your email open but you were still
00:29:34
talking so like isn't it your boss came
00:29:36
in yeah it's like oh he's just got his
00:29:37
email up he's definitely doing work and
00:29:39
then there's like three messages like
00:29:41
lighting up in the bottom you're like
00:29:42
you don't see that don't see that um but
00:29:44
yeah classic so how's that yeah they're
00:29:46
really good there's like there's a lot
00:29:48
and i feel like i've used probably half
00:29:50
of them and it's like every time google
00:29:51
builds a new thing it's like is this
00:29:53
going to be dead in a year or should i
00:29:55
should i stop you've used half of them
00:29:56
but i bet in your head they're all
00:29:58
scrambled into one messaging pretty much
00:30:01
yeah i mean like i said you open the
00:30:02
gmail window and there's gmail in front
00:30:04
of you but also you can have google
00:30:05
voice open on the side you can have
00:30:07
google chat and their hangouts in the
00:30:09
bottom and then you can have google meet
00:30:10
pop up right in front of you with an
00:30:11
invite it's everywhere and was it allo
00:30:13
or duo first i think it was aloe first
00:30:15
alo was that is the text and duo was the
00:30:17
videos oh i thought aloe had video as
00:30:19
well
00:30:20
was like i think the first i o i went to
00:30:23
and i remember being oh my god face time
00:30:25
for androids right because every time
00:30:27
they come up with one you're thinking
00:30:28
like this is going to be my message yeah
00:30:30
you're like this is going to be the
00:30:32
universal messaging app the myth
00:30:34
the myth of the universal messaging app
00:30:37
you always think they're gonna do it
00:30:39
and they get halfway there and then it
00:30:40
dies um the closest i think they ever
00:30:43
really got to that
00:30:45
was they they pushed hangouts for a
00:30:47
little bit and hangouts was an app you
00:30:49
could use to text people over the
00:30:51
internet and make video calls and make
00:30:53
voice calls and it was like you could
00:30:54
use hangouts for everything on your
00:30:56
phone but not everybody used the
00:30:57
hangouts app on their phone people on
00:30:59
their iphones didn't install hangouts so
00:31:01
it was like it never really got this was
00:31:02
always my thing with doing that is
00:31:05
to me like i was talking to people in
00:31:07
g-chat and like hangouts
00:31:09
and but it was so much different than
00:31:11
how i was talking to people in text
00:31:12
messages so i never liked having them in
00:31:14
the same list of things because
00:31:17
the g-chat or hangouts was oh people
00:31:19
were always talking in it because there
00:31:20
were groups of like 10-15 people where
00:31:23
my text message to me was people like
00:31:25
specifically trying to get in contact
00:31:26
with me or my wife or my mom or my
00:31:29
sister or something like that
00:31:31
i don't know i never liked them all
00:31:33
together i still have my separate
00:31:34
messages app like text messages which i
00:31:37
know
00:31:38
a lot of people outside the us is like
00:31:39
not really a big thing yes it's i've
00:31:42
used whatsapp a lot more because i've
00:31:44
been working with people in in europe
00:31:46
and they all just use whatsapp and it's
00:31:47
easy but yeah it's it's kind of just
00:31:49
like in the us people just use imessage
00:31:52
like they just use their text messaging
00:31:54
app to talk to other people which is
00:31:56
kind of why it's so crazy that they've
00:31:57
made so many
00:31:59
um but speaking of google services
00:32:02
youtube yeah youtube's a pretty big
00:32:04
service you kind of when you think about
00:32:05
youtube and then the sheer numbers that
00:32:08
youtube does yeah
00:32:09
kind of feels unbeatable right it's the
00:32:12
second biggest search engine in the
00:32:13
world next to google who owns them so
00:32:16
they're very plugged into each other
00:32:18
billions of hours of video are watched
00:32:20
and uploaded every month it's just this
00:32:23
crazy massive self-feeding unbeatable
00:32:25
video machine huge catalog incredible
00:32:28
search engine but there's one
00:32:31
key thing
00:32:32
that they're just getting beat on as of
00:32:35
right now
00:32:36
which is in watch time on mobile phones
00:32:40
tick tock android phones on android
00:32:42
mobile phones tick tock just overtook
00:32:45
youtube in average watch time mm-hmm
00:32:48
which is interesting and uh can we pull
00:32:49
up the the exact details on that because
00:32:51
is that like a session
00:32:53
kind of uh
00:32:54
is it what session watch time or monthly
00:32:57
it is monthly so i i can explain it a
00:33:00
little better to kind of get an idea
00:33:02
here um so it is on android phones
00:33:04
although
00:33:05
i bet you the between android and iphone
00:33:08
probably is almost exactly the same i
00:33:10
don't think anyone on android is using
00:33:12
one or the other
00:33:13
more or less often i think people just
00:33:15
in general are using youtube and to
00:33:17
average how they're supposed to use it
00:33:19
doesn't matter what your phone you're on
00:33:20
um but that does have a difference
00:33:23
tick tock is like 99 mobile youtube is
00:33:25
like 70 percent mobile so there is a
00:33:28
little difference here but so average
00:33:30
watch time over one month
00:33:33
right now in the us youtube uh the
00:33:35
average user on youtube watches
00:33:37
approximately 22 hours of content per
00:33:39
month and that has been like
00:33:42
completely steady so this the graphs
00:33:45
they showed were from december 2019 to
00:33:48
june 2021
00:33:50
and
00:33:51
it started at 22 hours and it ended at
00:33:53
22 hours in that crap it fluctuated a
00:33:55
little down to 21 up to like 24 but it
00:33:58
pretty much is at 22. tick tock
00:34:00
december 2019 was at 16 watch hours per
00:34:04
month and rose all the way up to 24
00:34:06
watch hours per month so they have just
00:34:08
been i mean we know tick tock's going
00:34:09
crazy so the average has risen up from
00:34:12
16 to 24. yeah watch hours per month
00:34:16
so many fascinating things about that
00:34:18
just i'm such a big numbers person and
00:34:20
stats always are like the thing that i
00:34:22
like digging into so number one
00:34:24
how many hours of tick tock do you think
00:34:26
you watch every month
00:34:28
and when i think about tick tock it's
00:34:30
really easy to get lost and just sit
00:34:32
there mindlessly scrolling and then it's
00:34:34
been half an hour and you just didn't do
00:34:36
anything for half an hour
00:34:37
and i wonder how much that adds up
00:34:39
youtube actually used to it might still
00:34:41
show you in the app how many hours
00:34:43
you've watched and i know for a fact i
00:34:45
watch more youtube than tick tock i know
00:34:47
i watch more youtube also but
00:34:49
the number of of tick tocks that i've
00:34:52
watched per month has definitely
00:34:54
averaged higher and higher over the last
00:34:56
couple years i mean if you're counting
00:34:57
individual tick tocks i watch more tick
00:34:59
tock single tick tock videos than
00:35:01
youtube videos for sure that's the other
00:35:03
number i'm so curious about is like tick
00:35:05
tocks are three minutes long tops most
00:35:07
of them are a couple seconds long
00:35:09
how many different things did you just
00:35:11
consume versus the youtube videos like
00:35:13
youtube videos are i mean the ones we
00:35:15
make are 10 12 15. average has to be out
00:35:18
i mean like eight at least for the
00:35:20
majority of youtube videos yeah and not
00:35:23
everybody watches the whole video from
00:35:24
front to back but i'm just thinking the
00:35:26
amount of stuff is way higher on tick
00:35:28
tock and that's that's kind of by design
00:35:30
it's like the short attention span gets
00:35:32
that instant gratification cycle over
00:35:34
and over lots of small hits of dopamine
00:35:36
instead of one big one basically um but
00:35:39
then the last one is uh
00:35:41
if the
00:35:42
the way i just think about this stat the
00:35:43
average
00:35:45
watch hours have gone from 16 to 24.
00:35:48
that means that there are a lot of
00:35:49
people who are watching more than 24
00:35:52
hours
00:35:53
every month
00:35:55
there is only 30 days in a month there's
00:35:58
people probably watching 30 hours a
00:36:00
month that's an hour of tick tocks every
00:36:03
day
00:36:04
that's so many tick tocks
00:36:06
if they're 30 seconds each that's an
00:36:08
insane amount of tick tocks yeah of
00:36:09
different things that you're watching
00:36:10
like you've got to be spending so much
00:36:12
time in that app and this is at the end
00:36:14
of the day the thing that i know
00:36:15
youtube's after we always you know if
00:36:17
you talk to other creators they're
00:36:18
always talking about the algorithm and
00:36:20
the mysteries behind it and the sort of
00:36:22
opacity
00:36:23
of knowing what youtube's trying to do
00:36:25
on the platform but the one thing i feel
00:36:27
like i always know is they're always
00:36:29
trying to get people to spend more time
00:36:31
on the site the more time you spend on
00:36:33
youtube the more ads you watch the more
00:36:35
you consume the more money they make so
00:36:37
generally no matter what they're doing
00:36:39
you can assume they want you to spend
00:36:40
more time on youtube.com yeah
00:36:43
and that is something that they are
00:36:45
amazing youtube has to look at this and
00:36:46
think like
00:36:48
okay they're they're tick tock's
00:36:49
figuring it out why don't we figure it
00:36:52
out and we have videos that are longer
00:36:54
and have a better chance at keeping you
00:36:56
on that line right so we have youtube
00:36:58
shorts now which is like they've and
00:37:00
it's this is a real thing like they they
00:37:02
clearly made it as a response to tick
00:37:03
tock and they built the carousel and
00:37:05
they have their algorithms and you can
00:37:07
spend time scrolling 30 second videos
00:37:09
just like tik tok you can do that now on
00:37:11
youtube
00:37:12
but
00:37:13
the fact that tiktok is just that and
00:37:16
its algorithm has gotten so good that
00:37:17
people spend time in that app and not
00:37:20
youtube shorts and they stay there for
00:37:22
30 hours in a month
00:37:24
says so much to me about how good tic
00:37:26
tocs alg algorithm is and how massive
00:37:29
that site has become
00:37:31
um the funny part is as a creator at the
00:37:34
end of the day the content strategist
00:37:36
inside me is like
00:37:38
that doesn't make me want to become a
00:37:40
tick talker like i see a lot of people
00:37:41
in on twitter just being like oh so
00:37:43
marquez you're going to pivot to tic toc
00:37:44
now huh you're going to have to chase
00:37:46
those views on tick tock it's like no
00:37:48
most people who are blowing up on tick
00:37:50
tock which is happening to a lot of
00:37:51
people
00:37:52
end up migrating to youtube anyway the
00:37:55
money making because
00:37:57
all the other systems are in place on
00:37:58
youtube it's the most stable it's the
00:38:00
most monetizable it's the most
00:38:02
valuable um you don't see tick tockers
00:38:04
making a sub stack or anything it's uh
00:38:07
yeah or if they do they went to youtube
00:38:08
first so and you also hardly see it i
00:38:11
mean you see it the other way around
00:38:12
like people on youtube going oh wow okay
00:38:14
tick tock's blowing up we should make
00:38:16
more short form stuff we should make
00:38:17
youtube shorts we should make tick tocks
00:38:19
and you go over there but you don't see
00:38:21
them leaving youtube behind you don't
00:38:22
jump to tick-tock it's to get more
00:38:24
publicity it's to bring people back to
00:38:26
youtube yeah so that's what i see in all
00:38:28
these numbers it's just like this yeah
00:38:30
trend is crazy i mean i think like you
00:38:32
said the algorithm on tick tock is
00:38:35
insanely good it's just like it is so
00:38:38
impressive to me watching things
00:38:41
that i don't think i've ever like
00:38:43
thought about like changed my uh like
00:38:47
habits on using tick tock to make it
00:38:48
think that i would like that more and
00:38:50
then it's just sending me stuff that i
00:38:52
find more and more entertaining yeah
00:38:54
every time it is like at the point where
00:38:56
i almost feel like tick tock is like an
00:38:57
ai company and they just have like 100
00:38:59
percent the absolute best
00:39:02
algorithm for stuff like that that's
00:39:03
what it is it's crazy i was talking to
00:39:05
someone recently about uh tick tock and
00:39:07
they're like marquez do you do you watch
00:39:09
tick tocks at all i was like yeah you
00:39:10
know i watched tick tocks and they were
00:39:11
like i tried
00:39:13
and then
00:39:14
it was like one day of like teenagers
00:39:16
dancing and i couldn't take it into the
00:39:18
start of it i was like if you get past
00:39:20
the one day
00:39:22
of like the most generic tick tocks of
00:39:24
all time it will learn you so fast like
00:39:26
you get you pass the one day you make a
00:39:28
new account and it's like it learns from
00:39:30
everything everything you skip
00:39:32
everything you pause to watch the whole
00:39:34
thing everything you watch twice yeah
00:39:36
everything you like comment on engage
00:39:38
with everything you do is instructing
00:39:40
that algorithm on how can we make you
00:39:42
stay here longer and that learns you so
00:39:45
fast it's gonna it's gonna pull things
00:39:46
from all over fluctuates like so often
00:39:48
and it's still it's like it's following
00:39:50
it
00:39:51
i don't even know if i like the things
00:39:52
anymore tic toc is telling me to start
00:39:54
liking these things like it's just at a
00:39:55
point where yeah it constantly keeps you
00:39:57
in i think my main tick top use is i lay
00:40:01
down in bed and i want to watch like 10
00:40:02
minutes
00:40:03
and i watch more and more all the time
00:40:06
and it's just like sometimes it's really
00:40:08
hard to put down yeah yeah
00:40:10
i i usually want to like
00:40:13
aggressively put down the phone once i
00:40:15
get watch a good one that's because i
00:40:16
know we say one more good one yeah one
00:40:18
more good one gotta end on a good one
00:40:20
yeah it's hard there's there's a lot of
00:40:21
good ones out there no another
00:40:23
interesting number i'm seeing in this
00:40:24
article is the verge article a link in
00:40:26
the show notes uh youtube has two
00:40:28
billion monthly active users oh yeah
00:40:30
youtube's still bigger still bigger but
00:40:32
that's why it's so interesting tick tock
00:40:33
has 700 million compared to that 2
00:40:36
billion but those 700 million are
00:40:38
spending a higher average amount of time
00:40:41
yeah so
00:40:43
the total number of hours will be less
00:40:44
for tick tock but the average per user
00:40:46
is now higher yeah so as tick tock
00:40:48
continues to grow it will probably
00:40:50
approach youtube in that total number i
00:40:53
don't know when it'll approach youtube i
00:40:55
don't have the context i wish i had like
00:40:56
the chronological number of totals
00:40:59
but yeah average per user is pretty
00:41:02
impressive now they'll they'll be
00:41:03
focusing on like you know instagram has
00:41:07
got to be looking at this like we made
00:41:08
reels why are people not spending
00:41:11
30 hours a month scrolling through real
00:41:12
yeah instagram is definitely a closer
00:41:14
competitor i still you were just talking
00:41:16
about youtube shorts and i don't think
00:41:17
i've ever heard a single person or seen
00:41:19
a single person looking through youtube
00:41:21
shorts i only ever see them when they're
00:41:23
just in my subscription box as someone i
00:41:26
follow posted one i still hate that that
00:41:29
is like part of the same ecosystem
00:41:31
together it's weirdly mixed in yeah
00:41:33
now i've scrolled through i've scrolled
00:41:34
through instagram reels mindlessly for a
00:41:36
little bit they're not as uh
00:41:38
they seem like they're kind of siloed
00:41:40
like it seems like i mostly get
00:41:43
car reels
00:41:44
tech reels
00:41:46
and uh
00:41:48
that's kind of it i guess i get all rock
00:41:50
climbing ones and it seems like they're
00:41:52
very specific where like tic tocs more
00:41:54
willing to like plug you into more
00:41:56
things for fun because it's only 12
00:41:57
seconds like if you don't like it the
00:41:58
next one will be another rock climbing
00:42:00
one like we'll just try other stuff on
00:42:01
you and when it finds more of those
00:42:03
things then it's able to feed you more
00:42:05
and more because hey we've got a whole
00:42:06
new library of all these
00:42:08
like
00:42:09
truck tick tocks that you might like
00:42:11
it's just it's just out there i need now
00:42:13
spotify has this and i think it's pretty
00:42:15
good but if when you make a playlist in
00:42:18
spotify and you reach the end of the
00:42:19
playlist it starts just playing songs it
00:42:21
thinks would be good in the playlist
00:42:23
sometimes it's really good sometimes
00:42:25
it's terrible if it had
00:42:27
that's like one place where i'd love to
00:42:29
see tic toc's algorithm of like
00:42:31
oh it saw me i don't know if spotify
00:42:34
knows if i like skip it if i don't want
00:42:35
to hear it again because it suggested
00:42:36
the same stuff before but like yeah i
00:42:38
would love to see that incorporated into
00:42:40
spotify because there are times where
00:42:41
i'm just like i really like these two
00:42:43
songs i want more songs like it and i
00:42:44
just want it to auto create a playlist
00:42:46
around that and then no if i skip the
00:42:49
song i don't want to listen to it again
00:42:50
it's interesting i it's there's way less
00:42:53
touch points basically i'd be curious to
00:42:55
see how well the tick tock algorithm
00:42:57
could translate to other mediums yeah
00:42:59
and in spotify all you can really do is
00:43:01
skip this song
00:43:03
or you can like it but like most people
00:43:05
are listening to in a car and you're
00:43:06
doing like steering wheel control so
00:43:08
there's no like button on my steering
00:43:09
wheel for yeah maybe you scrub back and
00:43:11
listen to the song again or something
00:43:12
like that but other than that there's
00:43:14
not a whole lot of engagement it's not
00:43:15
like you're following the artist once
00:43:16
you hear a song yeah it's not like
00:43:18
you're
00:43:19
you know
00:43:20
you're watching a whole it's tough to
00:43:21
like
00:43:22
translate the tiktok way
00:43:25
uh into spotify i imagine it would look
00:43:27
something like here's a country song
00:43:29
here's an opera song here's a random
00:43:31
other rap song and you just kind of like
00:43:32
get plugged into a bunch of stuff and it
00:43:34
might not immediately relate but once it
00:43:36
finds what you like
00:43:37
then it gives you a bunch it kind of
00:43:39
does the like discover weeklies which
00:43:40
sometimes are pretty solid but most of
00:43:42
that is just mashing together songs it
00:43:44
already knows i listen to like they're
00:43:46
just like you said tick tock does this
00:43:48
great thing of like here's something you
00:43:50
like i'm gonna try and throw a curveball
00:43:52
out here and see if they like it and
00:43:53
then if they do i'm gonna throw more
00:43:54
like
00:43:55
discovering music i think is kind of
00:43:57
harder these days because no one listens
00:43:59
to the radio anymore you're not forced
00:44:01
to listen to music because there's
00:44:02
nothing else to listen to so like
00:44:04
spotify having that would be yeah really
00:44:06
cool i think yeah yeah tech talk tick
00:44:09
tock is just an algorithm company it's
00:44:10
crazy it's great and people feed the
00:44:12
algorithm the other weird funny thing is
00:44:15
i never search on tick tock tick tock uh
00:44:17
youtube is still the place to go when
00:44:19
you're searching for a thing
00:44:21
and that always made me think about the
00:44:22
difference i kind of want to talk to
00:44:24
someone at youtube or tick talk about
00:44:25
this of like you know how when you hear
00:44:28
about um
00:44:29
youtube was responsible for like
00:44:32
radicalizing this person because it fed
00:44:34
them all these things yeah it's like on
00:44:36
youtube it it can kind of get there
00:44:38
where like
00:44:39
you can have your home page be filled up
00:44:42
with a bunch of things on one topic
00:44:44
but it's not like
00:44:45
right they've tried to avoid that but at
00:44:48
the end of the day you have to you have
00:44:49
to search for stuff to watch and you
00:44:51
have to choose what to click on in a
00:44:53
selection that's what youtube is and on
00:44:55
tick tock it's just feeding you things
00:44:58
one after the other and that's such a
00:45:00
different experience torture devices
00:45:02
where they hold your eyes open and
00:45:03
you're just like looking that's what's
00:45:05
happening and it's just it's that's just
00:45:06
made me think like as a creator i'm
00:45:09
still creating for the person choosing
00:45:11
what to watch yeah which involves some
00:45:13
search sometimes it involves like seeing
00:45:15
a title and a thumbnail and clicking it
00:45:17
among a stream of other videos about the
00:45:18
same thing
00:45:19
like all of that is one part of content
00:45:22
strategy that we think a lot about and
00:45:24
tick tock
00:45:25
doesn't matter at all you just have to
00:45:26
hook them in the first two seconds of
00:45:28
the video itself and that's all that
00:45:30
matters
00:45:31
and that's uh it's fascinating to me we
00:45:33
should make tick tocks it's a really
00:45:35
good point you bring up though that is
00:45:36
like kind of the danger of all of this
00:45:38
it's just like getting stuck into an
00:45:40
echo chamber super easily and like while
00:45:42
that's all good for you you start
00:45:43
missing the other side of the aisle and
00:45:45
whether you agree with it or not always
00:45:47
having that context is is really
00:45:49
important so yeah you do get the chance
00:45:51
try and see outside there but if you're
00:45:53
just mindlessly scrolling tick tock
00:45:54
while you're staying up way too late and
00:45:56
then you're exhausted the next morning
00:45:57
it's probably not too big of a concern i
00:46:00
just think it's it would be so much
00:46:02
easier to blame tick tock for like
00:46:03
swaying my opinion about something than
00:46:06
youtube because i just got fed a bunch
00:46:08
of things
00:46:09
versus like i went to youtube and
00:46:11
searched them and started clicking stuff
00:46:13
cool start blaming tick tock on
00:46:14
everything yeah tick tock is responsible
00:46:16
they're also dangerously close to the
00:46:18
government but hey
00:46:19
we'll take a quick break
00:46:20
we'll take a quick break and we'll come
00:46:22
back and we'll talk about you've got a
00:46:25
hot take right is that what we're doing
00:46:26
kind of sort of yeah okay we'll do that
00:46:29
[Music]
00:46:34
all right we're back i kind of we have a
00:46:36
segment where we do hot takes and i kind
00:46:38
of developed
00:46:40
a hot dick i haven't actually really
00:46:41
explored with myself that much because i
00:46:43
wanted to explore in front of you but it
00:46:44
all stems from a hypothetical question
00:46:46
that will never happen
00:46:48
so it kind of makes no sense to be a hot
00:46:50
take but i wanted to ask you guys the
00:46:52
question and then we'll get into mine
00:46:54
all right so we've seen a bunch of
00:46:56
smartphone companies stop making
00:46:57
smartphones like htc and lg but if right
00:47:00
now you could snap your fingers and a
00:47:02
company had to stop making smartphones
00:47:04
completely who would you eliminate and
00:47:07
there's you don't get to say like i
00:47:10
don't want to eliminate any companies we
00:47:11
all agree that as many companies is the
00:47:13
best possible thing to have just for
00:47:16
competition-wise sure that's why this is
00:47:17
hypothetical this is never gonna happen
00:47:19
but like is there a reason why you would
00:47:21
kill off any company or
00:47:23
or just maybe personal reason that that
00:47:25
would be the real spicy take hmm
00:47:29
if i had to snap my fingers and get rid
00:47:31
of a smartphone company yeah it's uh it
00:47:33
would probably it would clearly be one
00:47:34
that i don't use
00:47:36
because that's like
00:47:38
for sure yeah like i use right now i'm
00:47:41
daily driving the s21 ultra so it would
00:47:43
not be samsung you've had that for a
00:47:44
long time just saying yeah it's uh
00:47:47
starting to get some scratches is it
00:47:48
safe to say off topic here yeah the at
00:47:51
s series is generally the phone you hold
00:47:53
on to the longest and part of that is
00:47:55
because of its release date being so far
00:47:58
ahead of no this note just so it's
00:48:00
typically the one plus for the last
00:48:02
last three years it's been uh oneplus's
00:48:06
higher end pro model
00:48:07
uh this one happened to be
00:48:09
yes earlier in the year and has great
00:48:12
cameras and a better screen frankly than
00:48:14
the oneplus and i've just enjoyed the
00:48:16
overall experience better than previous
00:48:18
samsung i'm not used to seeing you with
00:48:19
a phone for that long this is you've had
00:48:21
this for a very long time yeah so uh i
00:48:23
went back from the flip to that
00:48:25
um but i got to get rid of a whole
00:48:26
company though so i can't get rid of one
00:48:28
phone so it's not apple it's not samsung
00:48:30
it's not oneplus
00:48:32
i keep motorola around i like what
00:48:34
they're doing with the budget stuff i
00:48:36
would keep i kind of want to bring back
00:48:38
htc to be honest i want to bring back hd
00:48:41
really bad honestly um
00:48:43
but then there's there's the whole world
00:48:45
of like i don't use an alcatel phone i
00:48:47
don't have any reason to get rid of an
00:48:48
alcatel this is not a hard take like
00:48:51
well i guess i had yeah it would be like
00:48:52
i'd snap my fingers and you'd be like
00:48:54
alcatel is now gone and i'd be like okay
00:48:57
great i don't really mind like i didn't
00:48:58
have any strong opinions on any of their
00:49:00
phones um
00:49:02
if i had to do a hot take one um
00:49:05
what if you had to do one that's popular
00:49:07
in the u.s
00:49:08
one of the most popular ones how do you
00:49:10
like think about it's probably at a
00:49:12
carrier store somewhere in the u.s
00:49:16
because i don't want you to just snap
00:49:17
away one that literally affects your
00:49:19
life right
00:49:20
let's make it a hot take is what you're
00:49:22
saying yeah let's order closer to a warm
00:49:24
tea wait can i ask a question yeah yeah
00:49:26
does it have to be the whole company is
00:49:28
gone no no just the smart just the
00:49:30
smartphone vision they stopped making
00:49:32
phones
00:49:33
you know what's funny
00:49:34
because i'm thinking like you snap your
00:49:36
fingers apple stop makes stops making
00:49:38
phones right that just means like
00:49:39
samsung is now the number one like
00:49:41
xiaomi starts feasting over in asia
00:49:44
because there's no apple and they're
00:49:45
just going to expand and take over the
00:49:46
world because they can dominate every
00:49:48
market now
00:49:48
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00:49:51
and apple has to find a way to dominate
00:49:54
without making phones and that would
00:49:55
just be so fascinating to watch because
00:49:57
so many of their services and their
00:49:59
accessories and their ecosystem is based
00:50:01
around
00:50:02
the market penetration that the iphone
00:50:04
has done for them over the past decade
00:50:06
and it would be wild to see them not
00:50:08
make a new iphone and try to keep that
00:50:09
up
00:50:10
yeah so i mean to interrupt here because
00:50:13
it just feels perfect
00:50:14
my take would be apple i would want to i
00:50:17
think
00:50:18
the biggest reason we're not seeing a
00:50:20
like quote-unquote imessage for android
00:50:23
is because none of them will ever be
00:50:25
able to include imessage and then if we
00:50:27
take imessage like apple is a company
00:50:30
that holds so much stock in the whole
00:50:32
smartphone ecosystem because of stuff
00:50:34
like imessage that a lot of companies
00:50:37
just aren't even really trying because
00:50:38
they know they won't be able to get that
00:50:39
part of it so maybe that could stem a
00:50:41
chance that the rest of the companies
00:50:43
all working on android come together and
00:50:46
can actually make something that makes a
00:50:47
little more sense towards that
00:50:49
because otherwise my message will never
00:50:51
be part of it right
00:50:53
that's a it's like a spiteful move like
00:50:55
my message will now be gone i mean you
00:50:57
still you could still use iron message
00:50:59
on the mac and all that yeah
00:51:01
like i you could probably there's a
00:51:02
million things you could argue i mean
00:51:03
like i i obviously don't want apple gone
00:51:05
but
00:51:06
i think that could be interesting i
00:51:08
don't think they innovate quite as much
00:51:10
anymore i think things they perfect
00:51:12
things and they're clearly their phones
00:51:14
are as much as i don't use when i
00:51:16
understand i think iphones are generally
00:51:18
better than the phones that i use i just
00:51:19
personally don't enjoy them as much they
00:51:22
would probably shrink the ipad mini down
00:51:24
to be the size of the s21 ultra
00:51:27
and you could use imessage on that and
00:51:28
there's a cellular one and you're set oh
00:51:30
man uh they'd definitely get around that
00:51:32
that'd be funny no that's a i just
00:51:34
assumed like i guess in this world when
00:51:36
that company they just never thought of
00:51:37
doing smartphones even though it's
00:51:40
still in their tech like they're not
00:51:41
doing smartphones at all i thought it
00:51:43
would be like today you no more phones
00:51:46
no more phones and
00:51:47
i mean like but they're not gonna they
00:51:49
don't get to then make something that's
00:51:50
kind of a smartphone it takes over they
00:51:52
don't get to compete in the app store at
00:51:54
all yeah i see so yeah and then if you
00:51:56
think about it like that then maybe
00:51:58
iphone's max would start incorporating
00:52:00
android-based things to create still
00:52:02
into an atmosphere an ecosystem because
00:52:05
how good is the apple ecosystem without
00:52:07
an iphone android would be a monopoly it
00:52:10
would in that world yeah there's some
00:52:12
android fans i would love that which is
00:52:14
interesting which i wouldn't like
00:52:15
there's a bet there's going to be a good
00:52:16
and bad side to all of these answers
00:52:18
yeah yeah it's just weird thinking about
00:52:20
an open source monopoly that's funny
00:52:22
that's it yeah right weird
00:52:24
did you have a did you have a hot take
00:52:26
or what was the second one for this one
00:52:29
or you do you want to eliminate you want
00:52:30
to
00:52:32
um
00:52:32
i kind of had a similar
00:52:35
approach as andrew in that i would get
00:52:37
rid of samsung
00:52:39
because they dominate every price point
00:52:41
pretty much
00:52:42
so getting rid of all of those phones
00:52:45
will open up a lot of niches in the
00:52:46
smartphone ecosystem for more
00:52:48
competition and could let other places
00:52:49
flourish in like a different price point
00:52:51
because like i think motorola would
00:52:53
flourish completely if samsung didn't
00:52:55
have also budget ones because they're
00:52:57
great at budget phones lg htc maybe
00:52:59
they'd still be around if there were no
00:53:02
a52s yeah yeah we also wouldn't have
00:53:04
anything folding
00:53:06
also true we wouldn't have anything
00:53:08
that's adam wants that does it yeah
00:53:10
i think they work so it wouldn't have
00:53:12
anything good folding i'll say that we
00:53:14
would yeah the flex pipe the flex pi and
00:53:16
we'd have like the remnants of like the
00:53:19
what was the lg one the the velvet
00:53:22
well that was yeah that flippy case
00:53:23
thing
00:53:24
uh what about the surface
00:53:26
we wouldn't have we that would be the
00:53:28
best actually that would be the
00:53:30
uh the biggest u.s company that you
00:53:33
could nix the smartphone part of it and
00:53:35
microsoft stuff yeah microsoft you can
00:53:37
stop now
00:53:39
they make smartphones yeah they make a
00:53:41
smart phone they make smart phone
00:53:43
um no windows phone had a little thing
00:53:45
for a while but that's true that's no
00:53:47
longer out there
00:53:48
that that would be that'd be pretty
00:53:50
interesting i don't really have any hot
00:53:52
takes i was i was pretty
00:53:54
pretty content with the week we just got
00:53:56
the apple announcement so by the time
00:53:58
you see this it'll be in a couple days
00:54:01
we're expecting iphone 13
00:54:04
maybe an iphone 13 pro and an iphone 13
00:54:06
mini and iphone 13 max but also there's
00:54:09
some apple watch rumors floating around
00:54:10
have you seen the rumors of the squared
00:54:12
update yeah we've talked about a
00:54:14
potential design like that and i wanted
00:54:15
to ask adam about this because the the
00:54:18
apple watch has had the same shape now
00:54:21
this is series seven right it's had the
00:54:22
same shape now since the beginning
00:54:24
basically it's gotten a little bit
00:54:26
bigger a little bit less bezel but now
00:54:28
there's some rumors of a pretty squared
00:54:29
up apple watch design and at first i was
00:54:31
like that it looks
00:54:34
like i prefer the squared up design
00:54:36
generally in most tech but then when i
00:54:38
see it on a watch it looks more like a
00:54:39
computer on the wrist and i think that
00:54:41
would actually do worse for it
00:54:43
really i wonder how it edges yeah it
00:54:46
feels more squared up to me yeah it
00:54:48
would be more squared up okay and i
00:54:50
think squaring it up that much would
00:54:51
make it feel less like a smooth piece of
00:54:54
your life it's more of a computer on the
00:54:55
wrist thing
00:54:56
but how does how does our our resident
00:54:58
watch connoisseur feel about a squared
00:55:00
up apple watch i hate it okay i thought
00:55:02
you said you liked it on twitter i like
00:55:04
the way it looks
00:55:05
but i hate square watches in general
00:55:08
okay okay that's exactly how i feel okay
00:55:10
i don't like it as a watch but i think
00:55:12
it looks better than that apple watch
00:55:13
now yeah exactly if that makes sense
00:55:15
like if i were like more than this
00:55:17
because i don't i don't think that looks
00:55:18
like a watch so it looks like a cooler
00:55:21
version of what that is but to me i
00:55:22
still think a watch feels circular and
00:55:24
like that's
00:55:26
the opposite terrible way to think why
00:55:28
why should they all be circles here's a
00:55:29
hot take oh yeah i mean it's it's
00:55:32
already fact that the apple watch is the
00:55:34
most popular watch on earth yeah yeah
00:55:37
not tonight so other watches don't look
00:55:39
like a watch
00:55:40
right the apple watch is the most
00:55:42
popular watch all those other circle
00:55:44
watches are just the other watches right
00:55:47
oh that's a hot that doesn't work i
00:55:49
don't know
00:55:50
i think that's pretty hot it's like one
00:55:52
of those stats that sounds really good
00:55:53
and then you realize the earth isn't
00:55:55
flat
00:55:56
it's like you know most people
00:55:58
especially when you think of like young
00:55:59
people who are buying their first watch
00:56:01
or i'm one of those people my first
00:56:02
watch was an apple watch
00:56:04
um i i i see this and this is how
00:56:06
watches look to me and i think a lot of
00:56:08
people are in that boat now a lot of
00:56:10
older people than me are not in that
00:56:12
boat we talked to mr wonderful on the
00:56:13
podcast he is not in that boat he thinks
00:56:15
an apple watch is a joke yeah so it you
00:56:18
know i think that's what makes it a hot
00:56:20
take but yeah the most popular watch on
00:56:22
earth is this shape right now the most
00:56:24
popular watch
00:56:26
model is that shape
00:56:28
right or is th like
00:56:30
is that comparing to like if cassio like
00:56:33
cassio has a
00:56:35
ton of different type of
00:56:37
models right so like cassio might still
00:56:39
make more watches then yes there are
00:56:41
more round watches than apple watches
00:56:44
but the most popular individual watch is
00:56:46
an apple is an apple watch yeah yeah yes
00:56:49
so
00:56:49
you know that's just uh i think it goes
00:56:52
more back to like what the first one was
00:56:54
like the original watch design was
00:56:56
circular right the first watches so like
00:56:59
when you tell time when something that's
00:57:01
not circular that's is that still a
00:57:03
watch now it's just a clock yeah it's a
00:57:05
squirrel now yeah it's weird
00:57:08
is that what the definite what is the
00:57:09
definition of a watch well i guess if
00:57:11
you just have a clock on your wrist on
00:57:13
your wrist yeah it's something that
00:57:14
tells time on your wrist i mean like
00:57:16
yeah
00:57:17
yeah i don't know i don't know if i
00:57:18
agree with you on the original take on
00:57:20
that because i feel like
00:57:21
the original uh
00:57:24
like cell phones were big and chunky
00:57:27
then they went to flip then they went to
00:57:28
what we have now now they're going back
00:57:30
to flip i think at some point we switch
00:57:32
from cell phone to smart smartphone and
00:57:34
i think that reset the paradigm oh so
00:57:36
then this goes back into adam hating
00:57:38
flips again yeah
00:57:42
yeah no that's like if you know
00:57:45
i don't know maybe it's just a
00:57:46
generational thing literally no no i
00:57:48
think it will be i think um i mean i i
00:57:50
agree with you i think the younger
00:57:51
generation like probably is very used to
00:57:53
a square watch yeah i just
00:57:55
i see a circular watch maybe this is
00:57:57
gonna date me but i see a circular watch
00:58:00
and i think oh it looks kind of old
00:58:02
school even if it's a brand new watch
00:58:04
yeah and if it looks circular and analog
00:58:07
that's one of the old-school ones here's
00:58:08
my thing also
00:58:09
i only wear watches at this point as
00:58:11
like um
00:58:13
like when i'm dressing up trying to
00:58:14
dress nicer generally with a suit or
00:58:16
something like that to me it's like a an
00:58:18
accessory that i don't care about the
00:58:20
time but like a circular watch
00:58:22
just looks nice with like a suit or
00:58:24
something like that i generally dislike
00:58:25
wearing watches i wonder how
00:58:28
how much you could dress up a square
00:58:30
apple watch
00:58:31
i think there's nice leather bands and
00:58:33
everything like that that's at this
00:58:34
point that's the only thing you can do
00:58:36
is like get a nice band a good like
00:58:38
watch face that's a little less a little
00:58:40
like comical yeah i don't know if um a
00:58:42
suit with like your current heart rate
00:58:45
i'm so triggered by this conversation i
00:58:47
have about 13 colors on my watch right
00:58:49
now looking like a like a crayola
00:58:51
watcher i just can't picture like james
00:58:52
bond with an apple watch yeah exactly
00:58:54
exactly yeah no he'd have like one of
00:58:57
the simpler you'd have a watch face let
00:58:59
me find a james bond watch face i don't
00:59:01
have any nice ones right now
00:59:03
it's a nike one this is just comic sans
00:59:05
imagine james bond with this watch face
00:59:07
on it wouldn't it wouldn't pull it off
00:59:09
no i'm with you i feel like i understand
00:59:11
both sides of this i think i get yeah
00:59:13
yeah this watch thing
00:59:15
yeah that's a debate for another day
00:59:16
we'll see what comes out but we're
00:59:18
expecting possibly a new watch in this
00:59:20
event alongside the new iphones i think
00:59:22
that's kind of all we're expecting it's
00:59:23
like the classic september is there
00:59:25
usually like a november event also
00:59:27
there's probably yeah one more coming
00:59:28
where we'll maybe see a mac maybe we'll
00:59:31
see a laptop maybe
00:59:33
one of the things i've been
00:59:35
curious about is when they're gonna do
00:59:37
well
00:59:38
the car thing is that's my next car i'm
00:59:40
waiting for the app the apple car is
00:59:42
definitely delayed no uh is the is the
00:59:45
apple silicon mac the tower okay so we
00:59:48
have mac pros here at the studio they're
00:59:50
very useful and every time we get a new
00:59:52
one we keep thinking should we have just
00:59:55
waited like when's the next when's the
00:59:57
apple slick and mac gonna come out and
00:59:58
is that gonna be something we wish we
01:00:00
waited for
01:00:01
um we don't really know all we all i
01:00:03
really know is apple said
01:00:06
two-year transition and we're a year and
01:00:08
a half in oh
01:00:10
and i think when did the mac pro first
01:00:12
the mac pro got announced in the summer
01:00:14
but released in the winter right right
01:00:17
and then we got uh the last intel imac
01:00:21
refresh
01:00:22
which was actually after they announced
01:00:24
a two-year transition
01:00:26
um but i think it was wwdc okay that we
01:00:28
got the announcement i might be wrong
01:00:30
about the date but essentially it was
01:00:32
like
01:00:33
yes this is going to take about two
01:00:34
years and we're gonna start with these
01:00:36
laptops m1 macbook and one macbook pro
01:00:39
mac mini imac came out and i think the
01:00:43
end of that two-year window is closing
01:00:45
in yeah and
01:00:47
the one thing
01:00:49
they haven't done let's say they haven't
01:00:50
done an imac pro
01:00:52
they haven't done the refreshed
01:00:54
higher-end macbook pros yet and they
01:00:56
haven't done the mac tower
01:00:58
i would like to see an i imac pro new
01:01:01
design and see what they do with it yeah
01:01:03
we basically haven't seen the higher end
01:01:04
black bezel yeah
01:01:06
i'd be i'd be very curious black bezel
01:01:08
would be nice black puzzles sure guys
01:01:10
um i think that's probably about it i
01:01:12
think that's all we got we've talked our
01:01:14
way into uh hot takes about watches and
01:01:16
we've obviously talked our face off
01:01:18
about evs the second half of the podcast
01:01:20
that's what yeah h3h3 always says that
01:01:22
like if you're in the second half of the
01:01:23
podcast you don't know what's coming at
01:01:25
that point yeah so shout out to all the
01:01:28
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01:01:29
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